ALttP had better dungeons, enemies, bosses, items, etc. The only reason OoT is considered better is because it's 3D.
Discuss.
There's nothing to discuss, you're correct.
A Link To The Past is the greatest Zelda game and one of the best games of all time.
Ocarina of Time is lucky if it even gets in the Top 5
>>319912680
I've never understood how the 3D Zelda's have gotten so worshipped.
They're mediocre at best in my book and I haven't finished any of them because .. meh.
>>319912680
What you said is absolutely true though.
was alttp winning before or was it just me?
OoT has better dungeon music.
>ALttP had better bosses
O am I laffin
>>319912680
Nope it because of nostalgia
no, alttp has boring straight forward dungeons and everything fucking kills you. I like the overworld and music most
Being an early 3D game means that simply having such a well made 3D world to play in and having gameplay that STILL doesn't feel like shit is a pretty big bonus. It's a legitimate reason to favor OoT.
>>319913126
this
I love 3D zeldas but i must admit a link to the past is the better game.
>>319912909
>I haven't finished any of them
Then your opinion is shit.
alttp isn't even best 2D zelda, literally all the gameboy ones are better.
you only like alttp more because that's the trending opinion
OoT has the best finale in all of vidya.
>>319912680
lttp really was pretty mediocre
OoT had new fresh ideas, puzzles and action that lttp just can't hold up to
Who cares, honestly. All the Zelda games are mediocre at best. They're known for puzzles, but the puzzles are a god damn joke in each and every entry. The combat sucks in each game, and the characters don't even qualify as cardboards.
>>319912680
Same deal with FF6 and FF7. 6 is clearly superior in all regards, but 7 was in three dee, so it became the sensation.
>>319913486
I played alttp when I was smoll, but this dickworshipping is getting ridiculous, I could understand if you like the style and graphics better, but the dungeons in that game are so bland.
>>319913230
>enemies being a threat
>a bad thing
This is the generation Aonuma raised
>>319912680
Egoraptor pls go
>>319913568
That's objectively incorrect.
OoT has better waifus
>>319913815
>better in every regard
Except:
1. Characters
2. World
2a. Diversity
2b. Lore
2c. Art
3. Character progression
4. Story
5. Villains
6. Side characters
7. Side activities
8. Visual presentation
>zelda game that came out when you were 12
is losing to
>zelda game that came out after you outgrew zelda
how horrible!
egoraptor
OoT is so much better.
Ocarina has God-Tier dungeouns, some of the best in the series. It has better characters, atmosphere, enemies, environments, and a better art style (though it couldn't be fully realized on the N64).
OoT has one of the best ending sequences in any game.
Nothing like OoT existed before it came out.
OoT pioneered targeting combat in 3D games and if you like Souls games, you're welcome.
OoT has a much better soundtrack and the sound effects are also much better.
ALttP can't compete. Not one dungeoun from ALttP can stack up against the Forest, Shadow, or Spirit temple from Ocarina of time, and it's not because they aren't also God-tier, it's just because OoT fucking upped the ante.
OoT gave you a vast Hyrule field to ride around on horseback in and that was a really fresh concept when it launched. The field was actually made to be as big as it was once the devs presented Miyamoto with some models of Link riding a horse and he loved the idea.
/v/ goes through phases and right now hating on Ocarina of Time is a hot thing to do. /v/ says it's divorced Egoraptor's dick but I'm convinced it's mostly 14-17 year old kids that binge GG every day coming here to try and shit on OoT and I bet most haven't even played either game.
Older = worse at every case in videogames, so it's right
>>319914480
I never outgrew Zelda though, and OOT is my least favorite 3D Zelda, not including the DS ones
>>319914398
>>319914398
>>319914398
>>319914398
>>319914398
>>319914453
>1. Characters
>2. World
>2a. Diversity
>2b. Lore
>2c. Art
>3. Character progression
>4. Story
>5. Villains
>6. Side characters
>7. Side activities
>8. Visual presentation
Yes, thank you. Final Fantasy VI is better in all of those categories than Final Fantasy VII.
>>319914453
I'll throw in a 9 while I'm at it. NPCs aren't quite side characters but I'll be damned if Train Man isn't the best fucking NPC in an FF.
FF6 willnever evermatch the mood achieved by FFVII's pre-rendered environments coupled with Uematsu's on fucking point sound track.Not that he wasn't A game for FFVI either.
as someone who didn't play LTTP or OoT as a kid and has no nostalgia associated with it, i must say that they're both very overrated but LTTP much moreso
LTTP has extremely forgettable dungeons
>>319914453
6 beat 7 in all of those except Side Activities. VI didn't need minigames to be fun.
>>319914929
>I actually think FFVI's copy/pasted world design is better than pic related!
The average age of a GameFAQs user is about 16-17. Most of them have probably never played ALttP and probably played the 3DS remake of OoT.
>>319915106
> FFVI
>Good CAST
Literal Who's with zero lines are good now.
>>319914983
You must not have played 6. Better visual style, better story, best characters in the series,best music in the franchiseand a fantastic world filled to the bursting with unique and interesting characters. Nothing really matches Cyan's entire story, from his family, to the kingdom he loved, the love letters incident, and then the wildass ride through the dream world. Thou art not worthy.
>>319912680
Run round wild and free,
Dive into the see,
Climb a tree and generally
Explore the flipping country!
>Yeah, maybe if I were six...
No no let me stop you there,
Maybe don't be a prick?
>Whoa whoa let me clear the air, let's be calm and adult; I'm just not in the cult
Play through the night,
You'll see the light,
It's wonderful,
So beautiful!
>It blew your little socks off, I get that but you might see my viewpoint if I could rebut...
Why don't you feel the love that this game inspires in thousands of lives round the world?
>>319915393
Funny, 7 had those, too, and still had less characters and less personality on the important ones.
3D always works for adventure games. 2D is too restricting for a dungeon crawler like Zelda. 2D fags should leave.
You see, when you're not a-word-tic, the 3D environment creates an immersive experience that 2D could never hope to achieve.
But of course you are a-word-tic so you'll never understand nor have the empathy to care about anyone else's opinion and continue to bitch and be baffled that everyone doesn't cater to your needs, almost like fucking Chris chan. You got a little Chris chan in you. Chris chan impregnated you and a little Chris chan is growing inside of you. Your chest is about to explode with a Chris chan sperm-shaped psycho-sexual horror bursting out of it.
>>319915181
>grafix make a world better!
Nothing matches the caves in FFVI. Or the Magitek Lab. Or the Floating Continent.
>>319912680
don't worry, OoT will lose to Undertale
>>319912680
That and the "muh lost childhood" shit.
>>319915781
There's tons of things that match those. 3D caves, scientific labs, and floating lands has been in every 3D FF since.
>>319915419
>better visual style
>better story
>best characters
Turks>Ultros
The Bad>The Joker
Scarlet, Heideggar, Palmer>General Leo
Rufus>Gestahl
AVALANCHE>The Returners
Cloud>Tina
Barret>Edgar
Tifa>Sabin
Red XIII<Cyan
Cid>Celes
Yuffie>Umaro
Vincent>Gogo
Relm, Strago, Gau are all shit tier.
VI gets bonus for God tier Mog.
>>319915605
>a-word-tic
99% of people on this site don't feel the need to censor that word. I don't understand why you feel the need to.
>>319915920
Jesus FFVI's cast is bloated. Completely missed Locke and Setzer. Gr8 characters in a soup of shit.
3D games have better exploration but 2D games have better combat. Prove me wrong. Protip:You might be able to, but it'd be extremely difficult.
>>319915942I think they filter posts with that word. The ones that need to read that post the most.
Link's Awakening > Link to the Past.
>>319912680
Lttp really lags around the underworld, it's where I usually get bored.
Enemies are just enemies. There's nothing really that special LttP's enemies
You're having a laugh saying it has the best bosses right?
LttP's items are silly, pretty much all of them have no practical use outside of the dungeon you gained them in asides an alternate way of killing enemies which is pointless when your sword is easily the best.
Asides the ice arrow, bombchu and maybe the hammer, all of OoT's items have practical uses in the overworld and other dungeons
>>319915920
There is also a large amount of autists who are actually trying to win a prize and OoT and FFVII not winning is upsetting them because without outside intervention they win without fail. So they will mass vote OoT, The person who started the rallying of Undertale probably also make a joke ballot he is trying to win a prize from as well.
>>319916390
Allow me to try, you autistic bastard.
>>319916283
>Souls games
OoT and aLttP are basically the same game except in different dimensions.
Besides, the Oracle games are superior to both.
>>319916970
>oracle fags
And then there's these people
OoT is fucking garbage. I said it.
The combat is boring as shit. The puzzles, save one or two, are completely fucking lifeless. The entire world looks like a big dark mess because it's aged so poorly. And the story/lore of the world is so fucking bland it's impossible to invest yourself in.
I have absolutely no clue what people see in it. I honestly feel like it's beloved because most people, even grills, played it at least a little bit when they were younger, and remember it fondly.
>>319913568
Better than stabbing a sword into Ganon's head while being in an area that's flooding? Nope.
>>319912860
finally
a link to the past is some unbearably boring shit
>alttp
>all you can do is slash your sword horrizontally and spin attack
lmfao it doesnt even have dodging
>>319913568
I know it's bait, but I can't resist.
Wonderful 101
Metal Gear Rising
Lost Planet 2
Vanquish
Yakuza 2
MGS4
DMC3
FF4
and more
>>319917856
And even with the limited moveset, the combat is so much more satisfying than OoT.
>>319918352
>flash game tier combat
>satisfying
so this is the power of the mobile generation
>>319918352
>spam A to hit a stalfos once every 5 swings
>satisfying
I wanna play lttp, is this shit on any nintendo eshops or should I just emulate?
>>319917916
I wish I knew what brush that was used for that
ITT: idiots upset over a random websites popularity contest.
>>319917916
>lost planet 2 finale
>good
Wasn't it a shit boss fight against a mountain of orange goop?
The only reason you think so is because it's 2D
ALttP is the most overrated game ever. It's not even close to being the best 2D Zelda.
>>319912680
Wrong. The only reason OoT is considered better is because all of the former children whose first system was a nintendo 64 and whose first game was mario 60, ocarina of overrated, or pokemon stadium, are now the main gaming audience as well as 98% of video game journalists.
Basically it's like if in the future almost every movie critic watched Michael Bay's Transformers as a little kid and then thinks it's the greatest movie ever even though it's fucking shit.
Doesn't help at all that Nintendo has a way of turning people who play its games into complete morons that get completely entrenched in the Nintendo ecosystem and think Nintendo is incapable of doing anything wrong or making bad games.
You fucking autists, OoT is ALttP in 3d and improved upon in a hundred ways, how could it ever be worse? Except for "Muh 2d". It's not even the best 2d game, Link's Awakening is way better.
Why does GameFAQs hold these contests when every winner is always a Final Fantasy or Zelda game?
>>319919227
>ocarina of overrated
>not "overrated of games"
>>319916673
Bombchu is hella useful, especially against iron knuckles. Ice arrows also rack up a ton of damage, since it's an arrow's damage that you can follow up with a free jump attack. Hammer is just the poor man's BGS.
>>319912680
I'd agree to some extent, but we shouldn't downplay 3D as a gimmick. The purpose of Zelda is, primarily, adventure and exploration. It simply means more when you can see around corners, up walls and ceilings, look off into the horizon of fields, and notice the depth of the monsters you fight. It's like comparing a well crafted kid's menu maze to an irl labyrinth. I would much rather play through aLttP with an OoT perspective than just vanilla aLttP.
Also aLttP dungeons were hella short with few memorable moments and the sword was overpowered to compensate for Zelda 1's terrible poking.
>>319918574
$8 in the Wii U eshop. Why deal with the horrendous Wii/Wii U peripherals though? Just emulate it and plug in a PS controller or something.
On that note, There are two versions. The original SNES version and the GBA version called Four Swords, which is the same game + optional link-cable-enabled multiplayer which you can 100% ignore. The GBA version has some slight changes to functionality like being able to break urns with arrows, one partial dungeon change, but most importantly, it ADDS SOUND EFFECTS EVERY TIME YOU SWING which the vast majority of people find annoying.
Like almost everyone else I recommend the SNES version.ZSNEScan run it just fine
>>319919227
I remember in the mid 2000s when everyone and their mother called OoT the best game ever made, 10/10, 5/5. It was so fucking annoying. Even back then they were trying to appeal to the widest audience which was nintendo fans.
>>319919357
Because nostalgiafags get off on confirmation bias. This is why Undertale winning is great. Not only is it ridiculous and funny, but for once we actually have a game that isn't OoT, SM64, FF7, or MGS1 winning this dumb poll.
>>319913815
>6 better than 7
>there are people who are this objectively wrong.
Fuck off. 6 isn't even in the top 3 for FF games.
>>319919741
>especially against iron knuckles
git gud
>>319920172
I'm just sayin' you can kill them in like 5 seconds with it. I swear I enjoy using the sword on them ;_;
>>319912680
LttP is not nearly as memorable.
That is all.
>>319912680
OoT Gameplay
>Target opponent
>Strafe until theres an opening
>Smash that motherfuckin sword button
>Shoot the big ass eyeball to solve puzzle
Not saying any other Zelda is better or worse, but fucking really? OoT isn't even in the top 50 games of all time if we're being real. If we're wearing nostalgia goggles, then I guess I could see it.
>>319913568
Bait, nobody could be this fucking blind
>I hate OoT because it's popular.
Sure is reddit in here.
>>319920317
it's comparable
>>319913774
FUCKING THANK YOU. ZELDA IS LITERALLY THE "QUEEN" OF VIDYA.
Kids suck it's cock because they don't have any opinion of their own, and the older kids liked it before them. It holds up to almost nothing nowadays because it is fucking underdeveloped as all hell.
Holy shit, if there's ever been a reddit of vidya, it's zelda
>>319914563
niceme.me
Can we fucking stop the "If you don't think OoT is the best game ever made you're literally egoraptor and the worst thing ever" meme?
>>319914745
>characters
>in a zelda game
MY SIIIIIDES
>>319914821
Thanks for posting a game that is far better than any zelda in every imaginable respect
>>319912680
ALttP is indeed the best one. OoT I always felt was highly overrated even when I was 9 years old when I bought the game. Don't get me wrong, I was hyped as shit, but I always loved ALttP a lot more. That on top of the fact that it's just aged too much.
ALttP was cool like no one is going around saying its shit. It's just that OoT was cooler.
>>319913230
>everything fucking kills you
I guess if you're bad at video games, sure.
>>319912860
first post best post
>>319920674
Go back to playing undermeme
>>319915920
>Liking Yuffie
Anything. Is better than Yuffie. In fact anything is better than all Yuffie clones (Rikku ect) as well.
>>319916283
Metal Gear Rising
Any shooter
>>319912680
OOT is superior in almost every way
>>319912680
>ALttP had better dungeons
Stopped reading there.
>>319914398
>she canonically wanted Link
Do kokiris actually have sex?
>>319921393
OoT's dungeons were easily the worst part of the game. Fucking MM had better dungeons.
ALTTP is great and all, but it has some of the most boring dungeons in the franchise. OOT had a strong theme going for each and every one of it's dungeons, while ALTTP used the same music and brick backgrounds for nearly every room. ALBW improved it a little bit by giving each one it's own music track.
TMC had the best 2D dungeons, though.
>>319917292
this guy gets it
>LTTP has better dungeons despite them rarely branching out from the standard level design and as a result feel incredibly samey, not helping is how every dungeon has the same music or how the items barely have any impact on what you do in the dungeons
kek
>LTTP has more enemy variety, but their depth in combat cannot compare to that present in OoT. The Stalfos Knights in OoT alone are more challenging and far more interesting to fight than any enemy in LTTP
xD
>LTTP at best is generally consistent at keeping boss fights challenging, but they don't come close to the quality of the great boss fights in OoT, Phantom Ganon and Bongo Bongo come to mind as some of the coolest bosses in Zelda history. The others are no slouch either, with Volvagia being just insanely cool and Ganon have at the very least some incredible atmosphere to the battle.
lmao
>LTTP has more items, but most of them are present or reworked for the better in OoT. First person aiming makes using items like the Bow far more enjoyable than it ever has been prior. Magic in general has a bigger emphasis.
Even outside of dungeon design, item usage and combat, OoT has a far more compelling story and greater character interaction. The world is simply more alive. All locations have more personality to them. There are more sidequests. And it still has room for non-linearity, and exploration is rewarded.
>OoT is considered better only because it's in 3D
well meme'd my friend
LTTP is at least the second best though
>>319921525
Even if that were true, OoT's dungeons would still be better than Link to the Past's.
>>319919227
Here let me deflate your delusion. My first system was a SNES. aLttP was my first Zelda and I used a super gameboy to go through Link's awakening. Awakening was more clever in its design, as though the devs were so used to making Zelda they wanted to focus on newer ideas. Then the N64 and OoT came out years later.
The game had depth via a Z axis, mobility was much more interesting given sidesteps, backflips, and jumps, and the swordplay had variation with vertical slashes for airborne enemies, horizontal slashes for enemies at your sides, and stabbing for attacking from a safe distance (the latter two were somewhat present in aLttP but with a much faster and larger sword). The puzzles had more depth as well, since the extra axis completely changed the use of items like the hookshot. All the while the aesthetic was more interesting for obvious reasons, surrounding the player with the environment rather than keeping them at bird's eye view.
It was a deeper and richer game than its predecessors.
What's your favorite Zelda rap?
>Deru deru! Zeruda no densetsu! Deru deru deru deru tsui ni deru!
or
>Down with Zelda from the very start! I got the heart, it's smart to play the part!
>>319912680
Better how? The dungeons weren't harder, the enemies and bosses weren't harder, and the items? Idk, it had way more fun fucking around with the hookshot in OOT. OOT had a better world, better music, more interesting combat, better characters, better visuals, better pacing... Everything about it was more immersive, and it was a much more impressive technical challenge.
>>319918698
seems like a very basic brush m8
just set size and opacity to pressure
>>319920531
>OoT is the best game ever made because it was my first video game
Sure is reddit in here.
>>319922313
no one's going to read your opinionated wall of text. Do you work for kotaku by some chance?
