I didn't see a thread for this. Are people still playing it?
>>319846515
They do, but most of the discussion has been moved away from /v/.
>>319847195
Why?
>>319847292
You know how it goes here on /v/.
>as interest in a game increases, so does shitposting against it
So they moved somewhere where they dont have to deal with that shit.
>>319847292
Because shitposting is getting more and more frequent
Plus, it's a pokemon game, it deserves to be in /vp/
>>319846515
The latest thread just got archived.
>>319847412
>it's a pokemon game
no it's not
>>319847412
We could always talk about video games if we're worried about shitposters.
What difficulty do you play in the shmups?
Do you even play the shmups?
>>319847560
I just played touhou 4 a minutes ago. I guess me in sixth stage was mere coindence yesterday.
>>319847560
I just play on normal, I'm not good enough to play on harder difficulties yet
>Do you even play the shmups?
>not enjoying the natural fun of dodging bullets
>>319847560
>touhou threads
>killed by soku, lorefags and shitposting
>soku
>killed by namefags and shitposting
>2015 touhou threads
>killed by sokuposters and shitposting
>TPDP
>killed by primaries and shitposting
It will always end like this, you just have to enjoy the first week of these threads and then they are dead
How the fuck can you guys even play this without the GBA emulator?
Shits so slow without me being able to hold down a button to speed up my frames to 1000%
>>319847659
Consistency is something you gain over time, don't worry too much about it.
>>319847710
Got any extras yet?
>>319847834
The pace of battles in pokemon never bothered me. In fact, I cant deal with fast forward at all.
>>319847834
Because I never played a pokemon game on an emulator, I have a gameboy
Also, only lazy people enjoy using speed options
>>319847862
>Got any extras yet?
Not yet. I was gonna try and clear the Extra in MoF, but I got distracted by Alltynex Second. I'm working on that now.
>>319847834
cheat engine speedhack
Game?
>>319848471
Puppet Dance Performance.
Someone requested this 2 threads ago.
>>319848238
i don't get it
>>319848238
rpgmaker or did you hax?how?
>>319850551
I'm magic.
>>319852054
That's it, I'm tired of you Marisafucks. I'n going to make a Marisa nude edit and spread it everywhere.
>>319852554
Pls no bully.Just go into the dat folder, the player sprites are stored there in png format, you can modify them incredibly easily.
>>319853035
>that walking animation
That brought a much needed smile to my face. Have a lovely song in return: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1__3O26JTow
>>319853261
that was really satisfying to watch, also it is indeed very lovely
>>319847195
You can still discuss it here, if you ignore the shitposter.
The thing is we just had a thread not long ago and there was also Touhomon discussion.
>>319847782
>soku, lorefags, primaries
But there's nothing wrong with them.
Shitposting and namefags are the only problem.
>>319854683
Many Touhou fans would rather pretend that a "main" lore doesn't exist.
>>319856162
And that's a damn shame, Touhou lore is great.
>>319857427
But canon lore doesn't have yuri ships so it's shit by default
>>319857817
>But canon lore doesn't have yuri ships so it's already to a great start
ftfy senpai
>>319856162
Then they are the problem, not lorefags, especially if they only care about shipping.
>>319854683
Touhou threads are surprisingly not all that bad here. You'll get better, more active discussion of the games (fan made or otherwise) here then you will on any other board.
Also, I love yuugi. Is there any other worthwhile fan made videos of her other than this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTVXFWZrM4M
I'd actually just love to see any lesser known touhou fan made video I might of missed out on. So much tekaki stuff on nico goes untranslated, it makes me sad.
>>319857817
Its getting there. Although I miss the really exploitable dialog from the early windows games.
>>319858896
>They're making physical contact! I-it must be love!
I love how easy it is to tell that yuri-fags have never actually had friends.
>>319858896
I was being ironic. Yurifags should go back to Tumblr, or preferably, kill themselves.
>>319858867
Burning Meiling 5 is pretty brutal.
>>319859529
Reimu and Marisa are adorable.
>>319859271
Yurifags have been making yuri doujinshi of Touhou since the EoSD days. Even the official manga have been illustrated by massive yurifags. There is no separating them from Touhou.
>>319859786
>doujinshi
You shouldn't care so much about fucking fanfiction.
>>319860140
Doujinshi are a bit harder to write off for this series than most because the game itself is doujin, and some well known doujin artists have made some of the canon side material.
>>319860140
It is fine with me if you don't like secondary works. However, it is hard to ignore their significance on the original works since doujin events foster interaction between the creator and their customers. ZUN has stated many times in interviews that he loves the doujin community because of this. Obviously, he does not have time to see much of the secondary works, but he isn't distanced from the people that create them. You can even go to his old blog on internet archives and see the earlier days when there were few enough secondary works that he even gave feedback to them.
>>319860702
All of the actual "canon" material was written by ZUN, though, with the exception of Inaba Inaba.
>>319861147
While i admit that the scenario's are indeed written by zun, the ones actually putting that to paper, so to speak, have a good deal of freedom of interpretation. So long as the scenario is approximately right, they can get away with bending personalities or rules somewhat. DIfferent manga's give off completely different feels for the characters themselves due to this.
>>319861147
They didn't write it but they've done art and games. Hell, in an interview about SSiB, Zun says he is familiar with 秋枝's Marisa/Reimu illustrations.
>>319861095
Well, you already said that ZUN doesn't have much time to see secondary works and while he does bond with some doujin artists it's not the same as letting their works influence him. I even heard that he tries to distance himself from secondary works as much as possible or at least not letting them influence his works.
The doujin artists that are shown close to ZUN are mostly band artists and programmers, anyway.
So I don't think doujin works really that influental to his works.
>>319861543
That may be so, but the rails are still placed by ZUN and he's the one who gets the final say. There's actually quite a bit of difference between Hirasaka's doujin works and his collaborations with ZUN, and you can clearly see that if you go between the two. ZUN doesn't exactly have them caged and forced to do his exact bidding, but there's still a clear difference.
The only one that isn't on rails is Inaba Inaba.
>>319861791
>So I don't think doujin works really that influental to his works.
It's obvious that he doesn't. Otherwise, the things with Letty and Momiji wouldn't have happened. He pays no heed to fan works when he writes Touhou. Everything comes solely from himself.
>>319861147
There are a lot of inconsistencies in "Canon material" though. For example, between GFW where all 3 fairies are easily able to shoot a fair amount of danmaku, even taking cirno's exaggeration of it into account, yet in The nature deity manga, sunny is BARELY able to stop a simple danmaku orb shot by yukari, and the other two apparently can't even do that.
>>319861810
True as that may be, but its those minute differences that the fanbase picks up on more than anything. They go autistic at the most minute shit. Reimu's skin color, an off comment by komachi, a simple word in the manual of one of the games.
Its those minute things that aren't "On the rails" so to speak that fans latch onto so hard.
>>319861958
>yet in The nature deity manga, sunny is BARELY able to stop a simple danmaku orb shot by yukari, and the other two apparently can't even do that.
Was that before or after they trained? Because it's explicitly stated in the manga that they started training before taking on Cirno.
Also
>simple danmaku orb
>shot by Yukari
>>319861958
Being able to take on Yukari and being able to take on Cirno are two completely different things. Even Reimu has a hard time against Yukari.
And there are few things in ZUN's stories that the fandom really "latches onto" as you say. Reimu's skin color is nothing more than a meme that no one actually takes seriously. None of that's supposed to be significant. Most of the bigger pieces of fanon are shit that the fans make up themselves.
It's not difficult at all to differentiate between canon and fanon. It's actually easy as shit.
>>319862267
>>319862116
>yukari
She'd intentionally made a weak and generic shot to test the fairies.
I'm not exactly sure whether it was before or after they trained though.
>>319862267
>there are very few things the fandom "Latches onto"
Nigga what?
>its not difficult to differentiate between canon and fandom
This i agree with. But that doesn't stop doujin works from affecting touhou in general. Even if it doesn't affect the mainline works outside of some artistic impression in the manga, the atmosphere from the fact that it is doujin and actively encourages doujin work sets up a much more favorable condition for fans to just do what they want. Zun doesn't necessarily agree to it, but he doesn't stop it either.
Thats what i mean by "Harder to write off". Yes, its easy to see where the line gets drawn, but with no one actually saying anything about it, it doesn't much matter where that line is.
>>319861543
ZUN seems to have paying more attention to details now, though.
In the past you could see artist for official works slipped things like Aya's wings, Momiji's ears, etc on them.
Ever since PMiSS everything seems to be within how ZUN views them with no contradiction.
The only freedom he gives are probably random cameos in FS.
>>319861878
http://ch.nicovideo.jp/indies-game/blomaga/ar172115
Skip down to the section where they ask ZUN about being influenced by secondary works and he says that he thinks that he has.
>>319862570
The line is "anything that has ZUN's name in it". It's not rocket science.
>>319846515
Yes, but everybody on /v/ just shitposts about it and says to fuck off, therefore we moved on /vp/.
>>319862695
Is that why Momiji hates Aya?
>>319862778
I doubt it.
I have almost no idea of what anyone ever talks about in these threads, yet I still enjoy most of the time I spend reading posts. I really need to get off of my lazy butt and actually beat EoSD at the very least.
>>319862659
while thats cool from a logical standpoint, it's sorta sad to see that kinda thing go. Like, seriously whats the issue with a wolf tengu having ears and a crow tengu having wings?
>>319862703
And you are misunderstanding. I'm not saying fanon should be taken as canon, i'm saying that regardless of canon, this game has an atmosphere that allows a great deal of personal freedom in regards to how you view it, and even allows you to make things as an outlet for that. whether that be manga in the form of doujin, plushes, music, whatever.
I'm saying that the game fosters that kind of atmosphere, and writing it off entirely is almost the same as writing the series off entirely, simply because the mainline games themselves are doujin by nature.
>>319862742
You should know it's only done by 2-3 who posters who frequent these threads, with 1 poster who is the most autistic about it.
He even used to throw the same hissyfits for official game.
You can just ignore him and discuss what you want, but don't overdo it, either.
>>319862889
EoSD isn't so difficult. I ended up beating it on the first try on normal modo and I'm pretty bad.
>>319863042
I don't think you understand just how awful I am at this genre.
>>319863042
>I ended up beating it on the first try on normal
1cc and all?
>>319863042
With or without continue?
>>319862913
Being "doujin" merely means that they're self-published. The Touhou series is basically an indie work. That's all. Technically, there's no difference between a self-published work and something that's published by a bigger company, beyond things like budget, resources and circulation. Those are all merely technical details.
The fact that Touhou's a doujin series doesn't actually blur any lines or significantly encourage derivative works. Derivative works are merely things that someone unassociated with the product creates on their own, regardless of the original creator's consent. The only real difference here is that ZUN himself has expressed that he's fine with the production of derivative works, that's all.
Also, most of that is moot since the vast majority of doujin circles put absolutely no effort whatsoever in having their works mesh with what Touhou's created, and there are almost always significant deviations. Even Hirasaka's no stranger to this, as one of his power-Fairies fansworks featured Kosuzu having a crush on Mamizou.
>>319863206
>>319863232
1cc
The only other games I have 1cc'd on normal are IN, PCB, and MoF.
>>319863313
>since the vast majority of doujin circles put absolutely no effort whatsoever in having their works mesh with what Touhou's created
I don't know if I would agree with this but maybe it could be based on which works I am familiar with. I've seen many works that have tried to stay very faithful and only deviate in ways that still fit with the canon. Often the afterwords share insight about how the author of the derivative work interpreted the original and incorporated it into their work.
>>319862913
>Like, seriously whats the issue with a wolf tengu having ears and a crow tengu having wings?
Because that's not how ZUN pictured them?
Isn't it weird if someone decided to go against the one who created the universe while working on canon works? Same goes for any works.
>>319863740
I dunno what works you're reading. The most faithful are Hirasaka's works, and that's probably only due to how closely he's worked with ZUN, and even then, there's nothing stopping him from making up his own shit.
There are still a shitload of people who believe that youkai eat people from the Human Village, when it's been clearly established that this is a major taboo in Gensokyo.
>>319863313
>The only real difference here is that ZUN himself has expressed that he's fine with the production of derivative works, that's all.
This line right here. This is what i'm talking about. Most other series' won't let this kind of thing happen, except for kancolle which was touted retardedly as a "Touhou killer" anyways.
Not many creators will just let their fanbase go ham on the games. That is all i meant. Fuckin hell man. The game has an atmosphere that fosters doujin works in a way that no other series, even kancolle, does.
For fucks sake, once again i'm not saying they are canon.
also
>The fact that Touhou's a doujin series doesn't actually blur any lines or significantly encourage derivative works
>>319863743
So kagerou is allowed to have wolfy ears but momiji isn't? That seems a bit odd to me.
>>319862913
>Like, seriously whats the issue with a wolf tengu having ears and a crow tengu having wings?
This issue is that you're kinda just making stuff up that didn't exist in the established canon. As a derivative work, you're free to do whatever you want with it. Just know that canon won't reflect it.
>>319863927
All that means is that ZUN acknowledges and accepts that derivative works exist. That doesn't mean that he's cool with whatever you do with them. For instance, he's aware of the shitloads of porn, but he chooses to pretend he doesn't see them.
He's saying you're free to do what you want, but it won't significantly affect him.
>>319864135
EXACTLY. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN.
No other series to my knowledge has that kind of freedom. And zun himself has gone on record to say that one of his reasons for that attitude is that he himself is a doujin author.
>>319864001
This is just my crackpot theory, but i'd be willing to bet he just said that one time he was sober and had to stick to his guns afterward.
>>319864135
>He's saying you're free to do what you want, but it won't significantly affect him.
ZUN actually did specify a way that he thinks he is influenced by the works, and I can see how one might be influenced in this way.
>意識といっても「二次創作でこういうことがあったから、これをネタに使うか」みたいなことではなく、「これをやると、二次創作でこういう反応があるだろうな」みたいなことを思いつつ作るようにもなりました
Roughly he says that he doesn't think about using parts of derivative works, but when he is making the original works he considers what effects on derivative works things that he add will have.
>>319863927
Maybe because in his canon, Tengus are not supposed to have animal characteristics.
The thing with Kagerou is because she's a werewolf who can turn into wolf, meanwhile the Tengus can't turn into crow or wolf.
Maybe Utsuho can turn into a bird like Orin but it's just never shown.
>>319864592
So when he wrote those comments on Momiji, was he just trolling the fanbase?
>>319864748
Again, my theory is that he said something stupid one time and had to stick to his guns on it. He isn't biased against using animal features, several other characters have them. Its just that he made that comment one time and had to roll with it.
That said, its not like zun is infallible either. He couldn't even get sexybanki's species right, and thats a google search away. For a guy so versed in youkai, you think he'd know the difference between a rokurokubi and nukekubi.
>>319864947
He adds his own touches from time to time. You'd be surprised how many youkai don't match their myths. Or rather, the majority of them don't.
>>319865034
Artistic impression and a straight up error are two different things.
It's funny, though. Every time ZUN expands on the canon, he fucks over common fan conceptions little by little every time.
I think the biggest part was how ZUN wrote in Perfect Memento that youkai weren't allowed to eat humans from the Human Village, completely destroying a lot of fans' perceptions on the relationships between humans and youkai. Youkai can and apparently do eat humans from outside the boundary, but eating those from the Human Village is strictly taboo. It's even shown that greater youkai are actually willing to discipline lesser youkai for breaking any rules regarding the Human Village.
He also stated that whenever a youkai mentions wanting to eat the heroine in a game, it's comparable to taunts in pro wrestling.
This is just especially funny to me because I've seen a large number of fan works where Sakuya's said to kill people from the Human Village to feed her masters. WHOOPS, GUESS NOT.
>>319864947
>For a guy so versed in youkai, you think he'd know the difference between a rokurokubi and nukekubi.
From what I can tell, most people in Japan consider nukekubi a "sub-species" of rokurokubi.
>>319864795
I can't know his thinking but I would guess he had planned it earlier or just felt like developing her more.
>>319864947
Rokurokubi and Nukekubi are considered to be part of the same "species" in a sense. They're basically subcategories.
Additionally, it would be almost impossible for a native Japanese person to actually confuse the two, much like how it would be impossible for an American to mistake grey aliens with Mothman. From both the meanings of the name to how ingrained they are to Japanese culture, in order to mistake the two, you'd kinda have to not know Japanese.
So unless ZUN failed his elementary school Japanese courses, it's likely that he did it on purpose.
>>319865187
Whether sakuya is taking from the human village or not, that isn't the important part of that particular fan theory.
>>319865248
>>319865420
Even then, they are a different thing. There is a reason the sub-species has its own name, and thats because its characteristics are different.
Even if its on purpose, i find it hard to think of a logical reason to do that besides to just fuck with people that get aggravated over it.
>>319865524
It's very important, because the Scarlet Devil Mansion is the most relevant to it, mainly due to how popular they are and how much people like to expand on Sakuya's character. While there are other obviously man-eating youkai, none of those characters are as prominent as Sakuya and Remilia.
>>319865524
Sekibanki has traits of both Rokurokubi and Nukekubi. She's able to both detach her head and elongate her neck. Thus, she's both. Rather than invent a new name for her, ZUN just called her a Rokurokubi.
ZUN's also called her a Dullahan.
>>319865524
>>319865420
I mean if you really want an answer, you can look towards Rokurokubi, a tale from Lafcadio Hearn’she's also known as Koizumi YakumoKwaidan. The story is allegedly about creatures of the same name, rokurokubi, however the creature described in the story actually a nukekubi. Since then, it's simply become rather common to misidentify nukekubi as rokurokubi, and Sekibanki's identification could simply be a reference to that.
>>319865845
Now, has ZUN actually called her a Dullahan?
>>319866017
>Flying Head "Dullahan Night"
He did call Reimu a Shaman.
>>319865910
You know, i was about to get pissed that you think i wouldn't know of hearn, considering the series' numerous references to him, but then you actually pointed out that an intentional mistake was also likely a reference to him.
You know what, fair enough. i'll concede on that.
>>319866178
You should also concede that she's both. The designation is entirely correct here. She has the stretchy neck.
>>319866080
Technically that does not have to refer to her as a dullahan, but could simply be to reference the similarities between dullahan and nukekubi.
>>319866080
>Taking spell card names literally.
You're a moron.
>>319864947
Well, my theory is he knew what he was doing, or at least he indeed being inconsistent that time.
I mean, the reason the tengus' lack of animal characteristic is probably the same as why Nitori and the kappas and Yamame also lack of these features.
>>319866017
Her theme's name, but I believe it's just for aestethic than defining her species.
Reminder that cat youkai lay eggs.
>>319866236
I always just assumed she was just laying a trail of danmaku energy from her neck.
Still, i don't really have an argument besides that assumption, so i'll just let it go.
>>319866236
We don't know if she actually has a stretchy neck, what with danmaku and all.
Wait for PMiSS III: Kanako Eater for confirmation that.
>>319866284
Aside from the plate, i don't really think there's anything to go on there. Especially since her heads always covered by a hat.
Has there been an instance where her head was ever shown properly?
>>319866483
Turtle shells.
Animalistic features of youkai have always been something of a mixed bag.
I mean, you need look no further than the Scarlet Sisters for evidence of that. Look at their wings. Remilia has bat wings, while Flandre's wings make no sense whatsoever.
And Rin has two sets of ears.
It's not uncommon for animal-based youkai to not possess any such traits. Iku's an oarfish. Yamame's a spider. Shou's a fake tiger. None of them have the physical traits of the animals they're supposed to be. Shou's only wearing tiger-skin clothes.
>>319867570
The Scarlet sisters aren't beast youkai, so they aren't good examples here.
And Rin seems to be able to shapeshift, so her having two sets of ears isn't that odd.
In fact, all Beast Youkai seem to follow the same rule of having some sort of physical feature from whatever animal they represent. Tengu don't have that because they aren't beast youkai, they're just tengu.
At least we should agree that while canon sometimes has inconsistencies and Touhou's nature makes it impossible to not have speculation and interpretation as what some fanworks trying to picture, there is a line between "interpretation of canon" and "memes" and "fetish" that shouldn't be associated with canon or even Touhou at all.
>>319868653
I want to know why the fuck people are talking about non-video game fan made works in a thread dedicated to video games, on a board that's dedicated to video games.
>>319846515
The fuck is this thing?
I want to play it 2bh
>>319869512
Touhoumon
Best Touhou game imo
>>319869730
Can I play it on my phone?
I don't like playing pokemon at my desktop, senpai
>>319868194
>eight buttons represening a spider's eyes
>bottom of the dress is bulbous like the lower body of a spider
>sometimes shown flying upside down like a retard
>doesn't hate humans like all other spiderbros
>would totally suck your dick
Yamame's totally a spider.
>>319870021
That's just her clothes, though. She doesn't have any biological traits implying that she's a spider.
>>319870021
>eight buttons represening a spider's eyes
Holy shit why didn't I realized this sooner?
How old are Reimu and Marisa anyway? Kosuzu's clearly a kid, maybe in her early-to-mid teens, and it doesn't actually look like Reimu and Marisa are much older than her. Sumireko's a first year in high school, so she can't be older than 16, tops. She appears to be close in age to Reimu.
Assuming that Reimu's approximately the same age as Sumireko, wouldn't that mean that she was around three-to-four years old in EoSD? That can't be right.
>>319870021
>eight buttons
Nah m8 she totally represents the buddhist monks because there are 6 dots
>>319870771
Old enough.
>>319869804
No
PC or go homu
The alternative for phones are the touhoumon rom hacks for GBA
>>319858867
That's because surprisingly Touhou threads on /v/ aren't filled with funposting or shallow cuteposting compared to /jp/, but sometimes when it does the thread become complete wreck.
>>319871841
But this isn't a touhou thread.
>>319871948
Whatever.
>>319871948
You're right, it's a console thread.
