Who was in the right here, /v/?
Uther, as long as the king was cool with it
Glad you could bake it, Arthas.
>>319820208
Glad you could bake it, Uther.
Watch your tone with me, boy. You may be the waiter, but I'm still your superior as a chef.
As if I could forgetti. Listen, Uther, there's something about the plaguette you should knead. Oh no... It's too late. These peopleroni have all been infectedanana. They may look al dente now, but its a matter of thyme before they turn into the unedible.
What?!
This entire citrella must be peeled.
How can you even cook that? There's got to be some other whey.
Damn it, Umami. As your future chef, I order you to broil this city!
You are not my chef yet, boyardee. Nor would I obey that command if you were!
Then I must consider this an act of seasoning.
Seasoning? Have you sauced your mince, Arthas?!
Have I? Lord Umami, by my right of succession and the sovereignty of my crown of roast pork, I hereby rehydrate you from your commandard and suspenderoni your pepperoni from service.
Arthas, you just can't...
*Ding* It's done! Those of you who have the will to taste this flan, follow me. The rest of you? Get out of my kitchen.
You've just tossed a terrible salad, Arthas.
Jaina?
I'm sorry, Arthas. I can't watch you cook this.
>>319820208
Arthas. Cleanse the village and contain the scourge.
>Killing infected before they become monsters
versus
>Facing your enemy head-on and fighting them like a true an honorable paladin should
Arthas was a cunt. A right straight cunt, bruv.
>>319820374
>>319820716
you guys are wrong. Uther was literally a SJW cunt.
>muh innocent people
>muh they might be healthy ;)
Arthas made a pre-emptive strike, and was smart for doing so. Murica
>>319821239
But anon, how could you kill people when at their current state they are not a thread and are innocent.
It's like killing baby Hitler, all you did was kill an innocent baby not a tyrant.
>>319821239
Even if they were doomed to become undead it is against the code of a Paladin to kill an innocent. They would have become threats, sure, but they were not at the time. Paladins fought with honor and Arthas forsook that for a tactical advantage. He went against what the order stood for and in turn became the demons.
>>319821601
>Arthas forsook that for a tactical advantage
lorewise can't paladins straight up rape scourge anyway
>>319820392
IT'S DONE.
>>319821837
he could but Mal'ganis was teleporting them away as soon as they turned
the whole thing was a setup to either make Arthas kill innocent people and forsake the Silver Hand, or let Mal'ganis turn Stratholme unopposed
>>319821547
threat*
>MUH IDEOLOGY
This is the argument of the pleb.
If you would sacrifice the safety of your entire race because you wanted to do it "by the books" you're an absolute fool. This is the same shit that's going on in the Middle East. Life is too precious to hold to protect with standards. Victory by any means necessary.
>>319821601
Good thing there's no Light God in Warcraft that will take away your holy magic for making the utilitarian decision.
>>319822401
And when the dust settles, is life worth living after it is all said an done?
>>319820404
Horrible attempt at being funny.
Kill yourself.
>>319820208
I'm going to say Arthas, but there was literally nothing they could have done at that point to stop the spread.
>>319820519
I lol'd IRL
10/10 will copy pasta in future warcraft threads
>>319822661
How new.
>>319822115
Is Arthas more retarded than Anakin?
>>319820519
>Lord Umani
every time
>>319820716
>Willfully allowing innocent townspeople to turn painfully into grotesque creatures that then have to be put down anyway, putting even more innocent people at risk in the process, rather than giving them a quick, painless death right then and there.
Yeah, how Paladin-like of Uther.
>>319822596
When your enemy is an inhuman monster who's only purpose is to kill you, yes. But Warcraft was never known for deep antagonists.
Uther: Glad I could make it, Arthas.
Arthas: I watch my tone with you, old man. I may be the prince, but you're still my superior as a paladin.
Uther: As if you could forget. Yes Arthas, there's something about the plague I should know. ...Oh no, it's already begun. These people may look fine now, but it's only a matter of time before they turn into the Undead!
Arthas: What?!
Uther: This entire city must be purged.
Arthas: How can I even consider that? There's got to be some other way.
Uther: Damn it, Arthas! As my future king, order me to purge this city!
Arthas: I am not your king yet, old man. Nor should you obey that command even if I were.
Uther: Then you must consider this an act of treason.
Arthas: Treason?! Have I lost my mind, Uther?
Uther: Have you? Prince Arthas, by right of succession and the sovereignty of your crown, you must hereby relieve me of my command, and suspend my paladins from service.
Jaina: Uther! He can't just--
Uther: It's done! Those of you who have the will to save this land, follow him. The rest of you... get out of his sight.
Arthas: I've just crossed a terrible threshold, Uther.
Jaina: ...Arthas?
Arthas: I'm sorry, Jaina. You can't watch me do this.
>>319823286
Good point, Arthas also should have executed every human living in Azeroth, because everyone eventually dies and they may suffer a worse fate, and possibly even hurt others.
>>319823286
You're assumptions are such:
We know that their transformation into undeath will be painful
We know that they will turn quickly
We know that their affliction is incurable
We know that all of those infected will turn
These are not established before the incident. All they know is that there had been infected grain shipped into the city.
Was Arthas right when he took Frostmorne to save everything?
Or there was another way?
>>319823712
>Literally became the Lich King
Oh, gee. I dunno. Maybe becoming the ultimate enemy of humanity was the best course of action towards saving it? Durr, I'm a retard.
>>319823646
>These are not established before the incident.
Someone needs to play wc3 again.
At least 2 of those are shown explicitly in a previous mission.
>>319823712
There was no other way, both Lordaeron and Arthas were doomed before the Human campaign even started. Had he not taken it up Arthas would have just died and Ner'zhul would have had to look for a new host.
>>319823881
>RTFM as an argument
We're on an image board of discussion. Don't just cop-out when you're confronted with an argument. That is literally worthless.
>>319823848
>I'm a retard.
You are a retard if you think it's that easy.
...isn't uther the lightbringer a hero from HotS?
what the fuck game is that?
>>319824147
Fucking retard,
Uther is Heartstone character.
>>319824059
Literally what
>>319824147
It's a scene from the coop vs ai mode of Hearthstone
>>319820208
Arthas
he was trying to stop the plague right in its tracks and then Uther comes in with MUH MORALS and pretty much fucks the whole realm of azeroth
Garithos was right
>>319823626
Except they knew the ones in Stratholme were infected, Arthas even says so. And even in the worst case scenario, as youre pointing out, where everyone becomes infected, then yes, it would theoretically be better to kill every human in Azeroth if the alternative is them turning into the undead.
>>319824259
I'm saying elaborate on your points. When you make an argument it should be supported with evidence. If you aren't willing to do that you shouldn't even be in the discussion.
>>319823646
The undeath transformation and affliction parts are shown prior. There's no cure at the time and everyone is a zombie by the time a potential cure appears, thus making change impossible.
Arthas was acting on King's logic. Uther was acting on SJW level feels and Jaina didn't care either way but didn't understand why Arthas was doing what he did.
>>319820519
>They may look al dente now
Always.
>>319820208
>Uther is in the light
>Arthas is in the dark
>This was the last time they spoke as friends
>>319823492
>Arthas: Treason?! Have I lost my mind, Uther?
>>319824757
All they know was that infected grain supply was sent into Stratholme. That isn't cause to completely annihilate anyone living inside.
Even IF they were all to become undead with absolute certainty it is against the order's doctrine to kill an innocent. Arthas did not honor the rules of his order and thus was out-of-line.
>>319825178
Not that guy but you should take your own advice.
>>319825457
See
>>319825194
Also, strict adherence to the rules, when doing so is blatantly wrong, morally speaking, is one of the great downfalls of the "holier than thou" (literally) characters like Uther. His blind following of rules is foolish when it does not allow him to see logic, and even morality, in any other situation that does not abide by those rules.
Arthas was fucked regardless because the civvies he killed ended up turning into Scourge anyways.
The logical choice would've been to completely quarantine the city and let it burn. Stopping it from spreading and keeping friendlies out of the reach of infection.
>>319825194
1) It is shown prior, it does not contradict any of my points.
2) Refer to my previous point that they do not know how long it takes to turn. A cure could have been found within whatever time was possible.
3) Calling Uther a "SJW" is absolutely fucking retarded. Uther had a moral code and adhered to it. If that is what you consider "SJW" then I'm sorry but you're delusional.
4) Jaina understood completely but just did not want to witness it. Like watching your family member get surgery. Not something everyone is too keen to observe.
IT'S OVER ARTHAS, I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND!
>>319821837
Scourge, yes.
>>319825893
How is it morally the right thing to kill innocent people to prevent [maybe] and [potential] loss of life? Your argument doesn't hold water. You've come undone.
>>319825241
Pottery
>>319820716
>>319821239
>>319821547
>>319821601
>>319822401
>>319823646
>>319824757
>>319825194
>>319825947
>>319826427
At the time their was no way to know if there was a cure and to be able to get it to all the people in the city
if they allowed the plague to spread through the city without killing anyone they undead armies would have been huge because stratholme was one of lorderons biggest cities
it was better to give them e quick death rather then let more people suffer
>>319826427
Because Arthas had experienced it firsthand, there was no "maybe" about it. He knew what the plague could do, and how quickly it could spread. The best argument for Uther's attitude is that he was ignorant.
>It's treason, then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqWJNu-IllU
>>319827526
That was terrible.
Consider sudoku.
>>319822603
>>319820519
>You are not my chef yet, Boyardee.
leather man
>>319821601
except you only kill them after they turn into zombies...
>>319829292
Sure. If you're an inefficient scrub.
>>319829292
You force-attack them to prevent them from turning into zombies and attacking you.
Arthas.
The people in Stratholme could not be saved at that point and if left alone they would inevitably become part of the Lich King's army. He did the right thing, even if for the wrong reasons. He was merciful and carried that weight all by himself because he was the only one who had the balls to do what was necessary.
And the Paladin are pretty much religious nuts that follow a retarded and strict code that makes no sense anyways.
>>319820208
Depends on what you deem as "right".
Arthas was right in the sense that killing all the villagers before they became an actual undead threat was a strategic advantage. Anyone can see that. Burn it all to the ground before they can do anything.
Uther was right in the sense that these people were still people. They weren't monsters, they didn't ask for any of it, they didn't know what was happening. Arthas was going to kill innocents, cursed as they may be, they were still innocent. As a paladin, he should've tried saving them first and foremost, no matter how futile it turned out to be. He abandoned honor, justice, and compassion to win the battle.
This is a bit of good storytelling because even though Arthas can be considered a monster for killing all those innocent people, it's people like him who have a good chance of winning and saving the majority of people. The greater good and all that, the end justifies the means blabla.
I dunno man, if I had the choice of being put down while still a human or being turned into an undead, then killed and thus going straight to WarCraft hell I'd pick the former.
>>319823646
>We know that they will turn quickly
Not an assumption since Arthas sees it happening one or two missions prior to Strat.
>We know that their affliction is incurable
Not relevant because there was no time to develop and cure Strat because the plague was fast acting, as seen in the two missions prior to Strat and the strat mission itself.
>We know that all of those infected will turn
Up to that point in the story every person plagued turned. Even if that wasn't the case, Malganis is there to make sure it happens AND on top of that, you (and by extension Arthas) sees the people turning while purging the city. If anything the assumption here is that Arthas would kill perfectly healthy people instead of helping them for no apparent reason.
>>319831973
>This is a bit of good storytelling
Kinda sad that this game was the last good thing Blizzard ever made.
>>319831973
the reason the lich king picked up arthas was because of his resolve.
>>319821601
>Arthas forsook that for a tactical advantage
What tactical advantage. All he did was mercifully kill the people before they turned. There was no tactical advance to what he did since all he wanted was Mal'Ganis dead anyways. He could have ignored the infected people and killed Mal'Ganis but he took the time to take out the innocents because he didn't want them to turn.
>>319821547
>implying people wouldn't have killed baby Hitler if they were positive he was going to become grown man Hitler
>>319833663
takes out the infected when they're still human rather then get overrun by zombies and thus be able to focus all his might on mal ganus
>>319820208
>"We're going to settle this right now, Mal'ganis. Just you and me."
What did Arthas mean by this?
>>319833832
>takes out the infected when they're still human
Hence, merciful
>rather then get overrun by zombies and thus be able to focus all his might on mal ganus
"Rather than get overrun and killed by undead forces" more like. That's not a tactical advantage that's a tactical non-retardedness.
>>319820519
>suspenderoni your pepperoni
no matter how many times i read this it still kills me
>>319834129
still an advantage
none of them were right in the end. Even if arthas killed every single villager before mal'ganis could turn them into zombies, nothing really stops him from just raising THOSE corpses into zombies or the army of necromancers behind him. If arthas teamed up with uther to do something else, the only thing that can kill a dreadlord as far as i know the lore goes, is another dreadlord.
I guess if arthas didn't fuck uther over we wouldn't have had a lich king and azeroth would have just been fucked over by sargeras or something idk
>>319820208
why does this thread get made all the time
>>319821547
thw they actually did this in Dragon Ball Z with Dr. Gero.
>Trunk: "Hey guys, Gero's going to create two powerful androids that are gonna kill all of you and reign terror on the entire world."
>Bulma: "Why don't we gather the dragon balls and ask the dragon to reveal Gero's lab so we can stop him?"
>Goku: "No, that would be wrong. Gero hasn't made the androids yet so he hasn't done anything bad yet."
Fucking Goku.
Arthas was corrupted by desire of revenge, he still did the right thing that moment.
Uther was so high and mighty. Im glad Arthas killed him.
>>319821547
>implying i would kill hitler for any reason what so ever.
>>319834961
not telling him to avoid the shit that turn Germany into the dump it is today
List of people who were right in the Warcraft universe:
Daelin Proudmoore
Othmar Garithos
List of people who were wrong in the Warcraft universe:
Everyone else
>>319834305
>advantage
Stop using terms you don't know the meaning of.
Arthas would have been in advantage if he focused solely on Mal'Ganis and went to his base to fuck his shit up exclusively. Having to do inane shit instead of getting rid of the root of the problem is the antithesis of an advantage.
>>319835043
>Othmar Garithos
>losing the Alliance's only field army and chasing Lordaeron and Quel'thalas out of the Alliance for good was right
>>319834674
I hope there's a special place in Hell waiting for you, Arthas.
>>319835043
>Garithos
>"I trust your big elven ears heard me right?"
>>319820208
arthas was right, but he was an uppity child about it
he probably could've convinced uther if he'd actually talked to him instead of suspending him and his incredibly valuable paladins from service
>>319835043
>Garithos
He literally exiled the whitest people from the Alliance
And to this day, they're still in the fucking Horde. Disgusting.
Come Home, Elf Man.
>>319835660
There will. It is called "Throne"
>>319820208
Uther.
Mal'Ganis' plan relied entirely on Arthas taking bait like an idiot so he could corrupt him and lead him to Northrend. Had he listened to Uther and Jaina, Mal'ganis' plan would've failed and he would've gotten his shit rekt by Arthas, Uther and co.
Edgyfags go home.
>>319820404
I don't get it.
Garithos did nothing wrong.
>>319837716
He did everything wrong
Years ago, I remember playing WC3 is NOT hard. And then I played SC2, finish it, and now I'm replaying WC3 and it's... much much harder? Is there some mindset I lost along the way?
>>319839928
W3 can be pretty rough. The Undead campaign in Frozen Throne is brutal
