ITT worst preorder/exclusive content
>>319710490
kek
>>319710490
>cosmetic DLC should not be criticized
>>319711481
Why should it be?
>>319711573
why shouldn't it? its still governed by pure greed and it is still often deliberately cut from the main game for maximum extraction from the customer. knowing that it isn't in the game produces the desired effect that your game is inadequate/incomplete.
why should it get a pass?
>>319711573
Because locking things behind a paywall is shit. The best for consumers would be that devs made a game, it launches at a reasonable price. It gets an expansion pack after a few months. No ~5 dollar dlc bullshit and so on.
>>319712047
Because they don't affect the core gameplay.
They are just same shit with a different look.
>>319712238
Oh so video games should be $80, got you
>>319712403
When did I say that?
>>319712047
>>319712238
They are used for multiplayer games as means of compensation for giving the game continual updates and patches after the game gets released. It is not realistic to think companies can maintain and improve a game without any sort of revenue. Cosmetics are especially useful for this because they don't affect gameplay at all, only the player's appearance is changed.
>>319712047
If not having cosmetics actually bothers you, you should probably see a therapist.
>>319712047
>>319712238
How do you expect a game, a multiplayer game, to still be supported three years down the line when the initial game sale are gone and there nothing to keep the game supported anymore?
>>319712653
if you like eating shit, thats great, but don't expect others to pretend its caviar
>>319713153
How did wc3, sc, cs, quake, unreal and many other games manage before?
>>319713174
But in this scenario, you are literally the one craving shit and angry at others for having shit that could be in your mouth for free instead
>>319712316
the argument that it could be worse is not a convincing one.
>>319711481
It's a monetization scheme that doesn't put the average player at a disadvantage.
Who cares how shiny your gun is when it's the exact same.
>>319713331
Mostly through dedicated fan communities
>>319713348
eating shit is accepting an exploitative business practice, but hey, reading is hard when you're missing chromosomes.
>>319711481
If your butt hurts so bad, make your own comic and your own criticism.
>>319713498
I know, maybe there is some gene therapy you and your mother/sister could undertake on government welfare
>>319712316
>>319712653
>b-but its just cosmetics
/r/ing the picture of the Mona Lisa being cut into pieces with one part of it being a preorder bonus
You are paying extra for cut content. We need to gas neo-/v/
>>319712541
You said no $5 bullshit so just pay for it all in one price
>>319713768
>We need to gas neo-/v/
You're included in this if you need to request that people make your point for you through comics.
>>319713768
>cosmetics are cut-content!
>neo-/v/
Kill yourself any time my man.
>>319713768
>requesting over exaggerated strawman image
Kill yourself
>>319712403
isnt that essentially the argument being presented in their favor? that devs need more money to support their services? how can you be similarly opposed to $80 or $100 titles and supportive of this?
>>319713768
Cosmetics are not content by any stretch of the imagination
>game has multiple preorder digital content
>game charges you $2 more to be able to choose said preorder bonuses
>you can't even pick all of the preorder bonuses, you gotta choose one of each category
>they are all mp3 files and pdf texts
>the rest is objects in game that can be earned thru playing normally
fuck you square enix, you used to be cool
>>319711573
See all gamers who aren't shitty fucking garbage casuals are also completionists, but now if you want absolutely everything in the game you have to pay an extra 600 dollars.
>>319713907
Are you literally this dense? If the title was $80 or $100 everyone who purchases the game would have to pay that amount. With cosmetics players can opt not to spend any extra money, but the autists that do can continue to fund the game.
>>319710490
I agree with this and I'm somebody that never ever buys DLC.
>>319713940
this is the least intelligent post so far
>>319710490
>>319714141
>buying skins someone contributes to the completion of a game
In what way?
>>319714313
So the option to have a golden gone is "content" now, huh?
>>319714375
When you 100% a game what do you think that means?
>>319713456
Yeah. So why do devs limit consumers from interacting with the game? I mean community servers, modding and so on
>>319713797
X price for the base game just like these days. We need to take a step back, drop all the dlc/microtransaction shit and go back to proper expansion packs ffs
>>319714217
game devs need revenue. why should i be concerned about protecting cheap leeches?
>>319714379
>I have never played Goldeneye
underageb& pls leave.
>>319713940
>>319713890
>content in a video game is not actual content
Holy fucking shit, you guys have to be missing an extra chromosome or something.
>>319714470
Completing everything that is possible to complete.
How does buying an alternative gun skin contribute to that? And what kind of online multiplayer game do you even 100% complete anyway?
>>319713376
Unfortunately people actually spend money on shit cosmetics so games increasingly become about marketing shit cosmetics.
Truth be told multiplayer DLC shouldn't exist.
>>319714551
You don't need to be concerned, there are always people that will dump money into cosmetics.
>>319714675
>Implying multiplayer games are the only games that have DLC cosmetics
Naive or purposely ignoring facts?
>>319714475
So a game charging you five dollars to have a top hat on some character is somehow preventing you from interacting with the game and being a part of the community?
>>319714610
Explain to me in your own words how a purely cosmetic thing affects a game in anyway
>>319714568
Learn the difference between a cosmetic item and a movie reference, you child
>>319713903
Okay, how much CoD DLC do you buy?
>>319714807
Have you been actually reading the thread? We're talking about how cosmetics are used as revenue to continue to update and patch online games. Offline dlc is stupid as shit, and no one will defend that.
>>319715041
but i was told cosmetic DLC is always OK
>>319714825
A few years ago, when someone coded data in the game meant for a player to equip, it came with the game for the player to use any time they want.
Now, its locked behind a preorder or a paywall, essentially charging you for content you are paying full price for. Keep in mind I'm not complaining about TF2, as that is a free to play game, I am talking about Evolve having 100 fucking dollars worth of DLC.
>>319714825
>claim golden gun is not content
>m-merely a m-movie reference when you get BTFO
get kekolded, golden gun = content. The only child here is you - I bet your first console was a 360.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv1Z89l-lL4
I'm not really that bothered by cosmetic pre order bonuses, but I still think it's a pile of shit that it exists.
The point of a VIDEOGAME is to have FUN. Just because the cosmetics don't change the core gameplay, doesn't mean that the game offers the same amount of fun without them.
It's like, if we took a game like STALKER or Far Cry or whatever, and made all the guns pink instead of what they are already, and covered the enemies in armour that is covered in pictures of bananas, you can argue "it's only cosmetic! It doesn't change the core gameplay!" but it still looks fucking stupid and would make the game less fun to play.
Hence why I feel there should be NO dlc whatsoever. Any factor that can improve the experience for a player, and give them more fun, should be in the game already.
DLC should be stuff like a separate soundtrack, or perhaps a T shirt. Not something that changes the game itself in any way.
I don't play games to mix max my abilities or play well, I play them to have fun. So I do see all DLC as an issue, including cosmetic stuff.
>>319714825
How many games these days limit the options of the consumer? Compare to games 10 years ago.
Why is this? So the devs can monetize small things like skins. Why do they need this money? Servers? Why not just let the community host servers?
>tfw people act like other people's purchasing decisions (i.e. their own purchasing decisions) don't ultimately make things worse for more responsible and discerning consumers
lol
>>319715231
My example of pink guns also works in the other way, in that cosmetic DLC can make guns/enemies look better, and offer more fun to the player as a result.
>Before
Cosmetics, both palette swap and model changing, are unlockable in-game as secrets or for meeting certain criteria.
>After
You're lucky to find a few palette swaps in-game. Anything changing the model substantially, such as a new costume, is DLC.
>inb4 but this one game I play doesn't do that
The exception, not the rule.
>>319715231
>DLC should be stuff like a separate soundtrack, or perhaps a T shirt.
>DownLoadable Content should be a T shirt
>>319714841
>>319715435
>After
after what, though? 2007? a certain game? a console? what was the catalyst?
>>319715382
That is still content that should be in the game, ESPECIALLY if it makes it more fun.
You are paying a developer to lock content and enjoyment behind a paywall, you are cancer who has ascended Reddit and NeoFAG tier.
>>319715483
My mistake, but you know what I mean. Extra stuff should be stuff like a T shirt.
>>319710490
Filename was pretty dickish
thank fuck i don't give a fuck about new games
>>319715172
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the concept of cosmetic DLC, but like everything in life, it can be executed poorly.
>>319715543
Did you read my original comment? I'm making the argument that all of that SHOULD BE IN the game without needing to buy it separately. Not what you're saying.
>>319715535
PS360 generation
when games became easily patchable and online storefronts became integrated with consoles
>>319715535
AfterOblivion.
>DLC is free
>its actually content that was done at the time of the game having gone gold and is rolled out on a weekly or monthly basis
>>319715231
>>319715567
DLC should be like mini expansion packs, adding more gameplay (NOT LOCKED AWAY DURING DEVELOPMENT) into the game.
Cosmetic shit as DLC is absolutely cancer.
>Why do they need this money?
because video games are more expensive than ever to produce but they haven't gone up proportionally with inflation. often times if they don't monetize cosmetics in some way the game will NOT ship
>>319715650
charging money for cosmetics is poor execution
>>319715781
Before someone tries to strike down this anon with "I only remember mommy buying games for 10$!"
>>319710490
fixed to show an even more devastating problem
>>319715201
The problem with Evolve wasn't the fact that they had cosmetic dlc, the problem was that they had way to fucking much, too early, overpriced. A prime example of how not to do cosmetic dlc.
>>319715731
Splatoon, Witcher.
>>319715860
Fuck off Australia.
>>319715483
>>319715895
You forgot to include the colored text font for chatting he paid for as well.
Personally cosmetic DLC robs me the wrong way because cosmetics used to be fucking free. They were unlockable or NG+ or whatever. Now they've been cut out of the game to milk more money out of hapless consumers.
Don't get me wrong, cosmetic pre-order DLC is still better than substantial content, but I'd prefer that pre-order DLC wasn't a thing at all and you got everything right out of the box. Just have physical rewards, or special deals (pre-order now and get this other game for free, etc).
Really, the main reason there's so much fucking DLC nowadays (besides the fact that publishers are greedy and can get away with it) is because of the $60 pricetag. Going to $70 would be heresy to consumers (unless you call it a "special edition" that includes nonsense like a season pass).
Honestly I wouldn't mind paying $70 for a (GOOD) game if I knew that all the content was in the game and I wouldn't be nickeled and dimed. The DLC culture is too ingrained though, so even if they raised the price to $70 there'd still be DLC anyways for maximum potential shekels.
>>319710490
>can't get an all gold Snake build in MGSV unless you dropped shekels on the Collector's Edition
>it doesn't do anything in the English version anyway so you look like a fucking scarred up Oscar
In the Japanese version, if you go with an all gold loadout (which includes Gold Quiet), Snake speaks using Osaka dialect.
>>319715201
ok ok ok
So the fact the game even has the option of you being able to deside if you can or can not equip something to a character or not,, something that is 110% purely cosmetic, and that you have the option to buy it or not with zero affect on the actual game is now considered "locking content behind a paywall" by the Beiber generation.
And no, Freshman, TF2 was not a free game at launch and not until many years later, and that was only because it was Valve's flagship game at the time and they made it free to bring more people to Steam.
>>319715207
I'm sorry, I only ever played Golden on on the N64, not your xbone download version with its market transactions that have no bearing on this topic at all
>>319715359
If a dev can monetize a purely cosmetic option that is fine. Threre is nothing wrong there if it is only cosmetic.
>Why not just let the community host servers?
If /v/ is any example of the people I'd expect to run shit, I wouldn't let them mop floors let alone run servers. If I were to rely on a game's longevity to service sole on the community being proactive to keep it going, I can count most games DOA
>>319715739
I'm not saying a t shirt in game. I'm saying a real life t shirt.
>>319715860
>games are $60 at most, save for licensed shit like NFL or whatever and shaq-fu
>nowadays games go for $60-$80, and do not include DLC
they have gone up in price, but only marginally.
>>319715781
>because video games are more expensive than ever to produce but they haven't gone up proportionally with inflation
Go fuck yourself with this logic.
Most AAA budget does into advertising (Skyrim, Destiny).
If you are going to be this much of an apologist and defend this, then fuck off back to da GAF.
>>319715932
Halo 5, Destiny, Mario Maker etc. I really hate this new fad. Artificial longevity
>>319710490
Do you really think it's okay for devs to charge extra for cosmetics? (not saying charging for exclusive content is acceptable)
>>319715781
>using your money like retards on marketing and such means that devs need to do dlc
>>319715231
>DLC should be stuff like a separate soundtrack, or perhaps a T shirt.
I don't know why I laughed so hard at this.
>>319714551
games have oversized budgets to justify longer productions times
milk money out of already created content
and tack on cosmetic add-ons for more money
and youre pretending this isnt greed
im not against dlc
but i am when the quality of games decline
and it has
>>319716145
It makes companies look good so they won't stop, I'm fine with it since I don't have to pay for that extra stuff and they only charged for new campaigns.
>People are seriously getting but pummeled for not getting Cosmetic pre order DLC.
Companies should be allowed to entice you to pre order the game at full price, to claim that they're doing it specifically to fuck you over makes you seem entitled, especially if it's only cosmetic.
Only time Pre order DLC isn't acceptable is if it isn't
A. story DLC, but this is remedied by allowing you to buy it later
B. Something that gives you a distinct edge in MP.
AGAIN, companies are allowed to try to get people to buy at full price, just because YOU don't want to doesn't mean it's bad.
>>319716160
>You wouldn't download a t-shirt
>>319714610
>missing an extra chromosome
brilliant
>>319716093
>I-it h-has n-no b-bearing!
let's go back a few posts.
>(You) claim a golden gun is not content
>(Me) proves you wrong with Goldeneye footage, showing a golden gun that works differently from other guns and is an entire gamemode, aka content
>(You) go off on a tangent about the Xbone
cry harder, bitch, you got utterly destroyed.
>>319716124
>Counting digital deluxe.
No game has ever costed more than 60 dollars unless it was some shit like Planetary annhiliation.
You're trying to make a point that isn't there by including special editions of games because you have 0 footing.
>>319716275
>Only time Pre order DLC isn't acceptable is if it isn't
One too many double negatives anon.
>>319716275
>unironically using the word "entitled"
>>319716397
not that anon
but goldeneye was an n64 game
it had no dlc
so in what way is it relevant to a discussion about scalping content?
>>319716479
Last "isn't" was a mistake m8.
But you get my point.
>>319716137
>>319716159
i'm not defending modern business practices, I'm stating why it is
regardless, even if you take away marketing and things like that. teams are bigger, production values are higher, and the dollar is worth less, so of course games cost more to make.
>>319716397
The golden gun was not locked behind any paywall besides the base game on the N64, I have no idea what argument you are trying to make besides stuttering green texts
Please stop huffing spray pain in a brown bag
>>319716398
>implying digital anything
clearly you don't buy games. pic related, you got
B T F O
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F
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>inb4 b-but t-todd is a s-speshul exception
I can post more images of you getting BTFO, but that's just a waste of time. you have google, use it.
>>319716483
>Bitching about not having a coat of paint for hours isn't entitlement.
>Still unwilling to buy at full price.
No, you just don't deserve it obviously.
Companies are allowed to try to make money, sorry.
>>319716093
>and that you have the option to buy it or not with zero affect on the actual game is now considered "locking content behind a paywall"
Yes, it is.
You are, as I said, paying extra for content that is locked on the game disk and in an abundance. Most people grew up in a period of time where cosmetics where already on the disk and ready to be unlocked through gameplay. This content does indeed effect most people experience of the game either being completionism or immersion.
We get it, by the way you type out shit you are a stupid 12 year old who thinks he is cool that he posts on 4chan, but really its time you go back to Facebook and brag about the new Cawadood.
>>319716659
...?
I don't live in some 3rd world shithole sorry.
>>319716595
>being illiterate
see >>319716397
I'm saying that a golden gun is content, while you were saying it wasn't. That's it. I was just nitpicking your faggy example. Stop getting so assblasted you were proven wrong.
>>319716587
Games costing more to make is NOT an excuse to trying to milk the pockets out of the people. If you actually rely on locking content to feed your workers then you have no place in the industry
>>319716661
>>319716275
>fucking shitlords refuse to let EA fuck them over! They have the right to charge you extra over content in the game!
Cancer killing vidya right here
>>319716659
The ones charged more than $60 come with more than just the game you fucktwit.
>>319716661
Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean that you SHOULD, and it doesn't mean that you're immune from criticism for doing said thing.
I fucking hate idiots like you who think a free market system means getting fucked in the ass is just a given. No. Free market capitalism only works with rational consumers, ie when people pay attention to their purchases and punish businesses for bad behavior. Just lying down and taking it makes you a bad consumer.
>>319716996
No, actually the cancer killing vidya would be people who insist that companies don't do what they can to make money without affecting most consumers.
Cosmetics don't affect anyone you indignant retard.
I'm done speaking to the likes of you.
>>319716073
games jumped from 59.99 to 79.99 in 2 years in Canada. Trust me, it makes a fucking difference. It's bullshit. I'm never buying new again. With tax it comes to $92. Almost a hundred fucking dollars for a game. No.
>>319715201
>a few years ago
nigger this shit has been going on for longer than 3 years.
people who whine about paid cosmetic items will never be happy.
they are nitpicking a practice they don't agree with to appear more refined than someone who does not have a problem with it.
besides, cosmetics don't divide the userbase, anytime a multiplayer game releases DLC maps or game modes, they are effectively shortening the
lifespan of their game.
>>319716996
I honestly don't think you could be trying any harder.
>>319717057
So how do you think they should address the costs of production now?
By giving you free shit?
You're truly fucking blind dude.
>>319717212
/r/ing higher quality versoin, that would be a great wallpaper.
>>319717025
>B-but
>But....
Seriously though the kids a fucking retard.
Mommy didn't teach him the value of a dollar.
>>319716672
Listen brony,, maybe you should get the dicks out your ears and listen to what I'm saying.
>You are, as I said, paying extra for content that is locked on the game disk
Cosmetic items are in no way, shape, or form or in any definition actual content to a game.
And no, Tumblr User, most of the time these things aren't "locked on the disk" because for one if you bought a game in the last number of years do "disk" was involved. I'm sure a toddler of you caliber has never even see a disk and just likes to throw around the term to seem like you understand things.
If you had even the slightest understanding into what goes into making a game,, which a still born dog probably does better than you, is that most people who work of graphics and design in the game are pretty much done about halfway though development. So they just make more stuff because the game is still being made and theres nothing else to do. Most of this shit ends up as either add ons or DLCs or put into expansions or whatever business model is involved here.
But the fact of the matter is, if some thingis purely visual, if its merely a cosmetic item that does not affect gameplay, it is NOT content and you being a whiny bitch about it doenst change that fact.
>>319716672
Not him but why is timing relevant to content? If I make a watch and sell it to you am I under some assumption that I can't make a band or another watch in X period of time or you feel ripped off?
Or to put it in significantly more relevant terms, when devs sit and plot out what they are going to sell why should they ask your permission? They could make all the content at once and sell it slowly over the course of a year. When you buy a car they actually point out it has floor mats and A/C. Those are optional but most dealers sell them with every car. You are paying for them separately it just happens to go on the same bill. Kinda like a game with a season pass day 1.
In other words, consumers get no say in how a product is divided and sold outside of their wallet. And you can "say" as much as you want with yours. But don't try to control my wallet. Nor try to say how I spend my money is right or wrong. You don't earn it so you get no say in it.
>>319717025
>comes with more than just the game
Maybe they're charging $20 for fallout 3, despite claiming it's 'free'. I wouldn't put it past bethesda.
>I want my games to look better, be bigger and have better stories.
>DON'T RAISE THE PRICES YOU FUCKING SHITLORDS
>BETTER NOT BE TRYING TO MAKE EXTRA OFF OF COSMETICS I CLEARLY WOULDN'T HAVE BOTHERED WITH OTHERWISE
>WHOA DLC FOR THE STORY? I BET THEY DIDN'T EVEN WORK ON THIS AFTER THE GAME DROPPED!! BOYCOTT!!
>>319716659
>Different editions of the game
>MicrosoftStore/MMOGA/GreenmanGaming/cdkeys/IndogoBooks are all third-party resellers who can charge their own price.
You're the one who just got BTFO you stupid fucking autist.
>>319714610
On the bright side looks like you have that extra chromosome
>>319716871
I'm saying you have no idea between a golden gun from the movie Dr. No which one shot kills people in Goldeny N64 and getting a P90 that is made of gold in COD and think they are the same thing
>>319715731
I have seen that image a lot, is it a good show?
>>319717254
Reduce the bloated marketing budgets, stop hiring Hollywood actors to say five lines in order to make your game more "cinematic", stop prioritizing "cutting edge" graphics over gameplay. If all of those don't work, feel free to raise the price to 65-70 dollars, but only if you know that your game has that kind of value, and only if the game comes as a complete package.
But really, DLC exists because it's a new revenue stream. They do it because they can get away with it. If they couldn't get away with it, they wouldn't do it.
>>319717635
>different 'editions'
see >>319717554, it's literally just the base game. Protip, that's the price in retail stores, if you want to actually own the game and not just a license. That's wal-mart, by the way.
>>319710490
Things that give you like a million dollars to start the game and some mid tier gear, so when you get a cheap GOTY edition it starts off casualised with all these powerups and ruins the fun.
>>319717139
>Cosmetics don't affect anyone you indignant retard.
When drones but games and the content locked behind them, it insists other publishers to do the same. This is why the industry is shit today, and why you have games like Call of Duty and Evolved filled to the brim with cosmetic DLC.
But hey its not muh gaymeplay amirite?
>>319717212
>people who whine about paid cosmetic items will never be happy
Thats pretty biased since all you have to do to make tons of people happy is, I don't know, NOT LOCK FUCKING CONTENT ON THE DISK BEHIND A GOD DAMN PAYWALL
Reddit knows this is bad, NeoFAG knows this is bad, people who eat the asses of ecelebs know this is bad, Bethesdafags know this is bad, there is not one person other then casuals like you who defend this practice. Its not the patriarchy being entitled shitlords, its gamers sick of companies scamming people.
/v/ wrote a song about this shit how many years ago? That should be proof you don't belong on here.
>>319717625
Tell me one game where a hat gives you a story
>>319717817
I bet you think having to buy the base game is also locking it behind a paywall
>>319717957
Was the claim made that the stories are better?
No, the claim was that you wanted them as such, which is why voice actors and cutscenes have way more focus than they ever needed in a lot of games.
Learn to read you fucking cockroach.
>>319717787
>stop hiring Hollywood actors to say five lines in order to make your game more "cinematic"
Name two games that did this that aren't MGSV
>>319718189
CoD AW and Blops 3.
>>319718301
Ok,, now name two games that anyone give a flying fuck about
>>319717792
But the poster that showed his prices had stores listed.
You still showed you were some retard living in a place that dealt in monopoly money.
So the price increases are because of your retarded government, not price raises.
>>319710490
obligatory OMG LOL THE TEETH EVERY TIME post
>>319718301
Spacey was a huge part of AW tho and his performance really helped the story.
Pull that rod out of your ass.
>>319717431
Okay first off all
>brony
>Tumblr User
What the fuck are you doing. This isn't even ad hominem, its just you pulling as many buzzwords out of your ass.
Second,
>Cosmetic items are in no way, shape, or form or in any definition actual content to a game.
Straight from Wikipedia
>content is the information and experience(s) directed towards an end-user or audience.
Yes, cosmetics are an experience directed towards you, the player. It is still being content locked behind a paywall.
>So they just make more stuff because the game is still being made and theres nothing else to do
Yeah, I am SURE that is whats happening.
Pawns under Activision are just having fun churning out weapon skins for Call of Duty every month and charging 8 bucks a piece.
Stop trying to justify blowing shit on Call of Duty you faggot, people like you are why the industry is dying.
>>319717625
>How do we make games better?
>I KNOW, LOCK OF THE STORY, LEVELS, AND ITEMS AND CHARGE THE PLAYER FOR THEM
>>319714086
Cosmetic should only be in multiplayer games
Actual content that matters should be single player dlc
>>319718563
>I KNOW, LOCK OF THE STORY, LEVELS, AND ITEMS AND CHARGE THE PLAYER FOR THEM
Appeal to extremes is a fallacy roach.
>>319717625
I don't see anything wrong with the last one. Anything you make/complete before the game is released should be included with the base game, unless having it in the base game would ruin the experience.
>>319717625
>>319718126
>he actually made his own meme to attack people who aren't corporate slaves
That guy who masturbates to his kitchen floor isn't even as sad as you are nigger
>>319718667Fallacy fallacy
>>319718376
Kid Icarus: Uprising, Troy Baker, Arlon/Pyhron
Kingdom Hearts I and II, Haley Joel Osment, Sora.
Pls
>>319718553
>caring about story in CoD
>caring about CoD in general
>>>/facebook/
>>319718710
It's implying that the person that made this claim had no clue what they were talking about, Roach, just like when /v/ seemed to think every DLC when DLC isn't inherently flawed, just perverted by certain entities, like Capcom.
>>319718762
It's not a meme Roach, I'm the smartest poster on this board.
>itt:people missing the point entirely and spouting fallacies
How do you guys feel about DLC in Fire Emblem: Awakening? There's a bunch of downloadable maps, each giving you a different character from older FE games if you beat them.
Some of the maps gave you unlockable skills and classes, too. There's also Apotheosis, which is the hardest map in the game, and is the final goal of most people's playthroughs.
>>319718189
Fallout 3 with Liam Neeson.
Oblivion with Patrick Stewart
That CoD with Kevin Spacey.
Broken Age with Jack Black.
The point is that wasting so much money on voice actors is eating up the budget. It's just a cheap marketing gimmick for name recognition, doesn't mean shit when it comes to gameplay or even the story.
>>319718873
>Caring about the bandwagon
>Not forming your own opinions and playing what you find fun
I thought people like you were made up memes. Thanks for the laughs, anon.
>>319719034
I only bought and played Future Past. The rest of the maps can fuck off.
>>319718463
It's not because of my retarded government, it's because publishers are jacking up the price.
2008: my monopoly money was worth $0.80 freedombux.
2015: My monopoly money is worth $0.77 freedombux.
2008: fallout 3 (physical, regular edition, 360) sold for $65.00 monopoly money.
2015: fallout 4 (physical, regular edition, xbone, includes fallout 3 for free) sells for $80.00 monopoly money.
Prices went up by $20, despite a 3-cent drop meaning prices should have only gone up by $2 or so. I mean sure, you can argue that publishers finally realized they were losing money and adjusted the prices accordingly, but that's still an increase in price, and a jarring one at that. note that minimum wage has gone up by $1.25 in that time.
>>319719136
Color me surprised,
the person who supports companies locking out content also plays Cawadooty and thinks the story is well written and deep.
Nigga, here is a tip in life. There are times when people don't say things are shit to be popular, but say them because they are actual shit.
All I want to know is why the fuck would a person who plays Call of Duty go on 4chan?
>>319717792
You don't own the game if you buy in stores either. You own the disc, which is a licensed copy of the game. It can be revoked at any time.
>>319719292
>Games went up in price
>No evidence to this claim other than publishers simply shitting on your country.
>Freedom dollars completely unaffected.
So it would have been exactly the same with the older games?
Thanks for proving me right I guess.
Maybe you oughta assert the difference between games getting their prices jacked up and your country being a shithole m8.
>>319715369
Tell me those were Hyper Potions, please.
>>319712638
your argument is concise and to the point, fucking perfect. no wonder these memers didn't respond
>>319716398
>No game has ever costed more than 60 dollars unless it was some shit like Planetary annhiliation.
IIT Children who never owned a Sega Genesis when Phantasy Star 2 came out with a price tag of $100 fucking dollars, US. Or Chrono Trigger costing $80 on release. Or...Well, theres more examples, but you see what I mean.
>>319718892
Sorry anon, but I'm actually the smartest one on this board
>>319719660
I know, I'll prove his argument wrong by posting...
Another outlier!
Ebin dude.
Almost like you don't realize you're a fucking retard.
>>319719703
Now, hang on a minute there. I'M the smartest one on the board.
>>319719452
>no evidence
are you dumb? I posted the prices right there. Just because the price going up is a result of publisher fuckery does not mean that games are not more expensive in my shithole country. I have to pay more. How is that not an increase in price?There is more than one country in the world, 'didn't happen in murrika' is not a valid response.
>>319719379
>Something has to be well written for it to be enjoyable
>I-if you play call of duty, get out of m-my 4chins
Newfag please. I only have so many reaction images that display my jovial reactions.
Off the top of my head there are only two games that have well written stories that are also deep, and I doubt you could name either of them.
Also
>the person who supports companies locking out content also plays Cawadooty and thinks the story is well written and deep.
Just when I thought your posts couldn't get any funnier, you go and start grasping at straws to try to attack me. I haven't said shit about DLC.
>>319715717
Nigger you just misspelled Mass Effect
Mass Effect 2 had two guns for every type in the vanilla game. The best weapons you could have from the beginning of the game and we're all dlc. Hell, half that fucking game was dlc.
The Mass Effect 3 came along and people went full retard after the ending trying to justify it they convinced themselves "Naw the ending is actually brilliant because the true ending is a yet not released dlc". In one moment everyone collectively told EA they were cool with the story being incomplete and tossed out later as dlc and they religiously attacked anyone who thought it was a bad idea.
>>319719901
When America's economy is the base of the operation, yeah, it kind of is.
>>319719946
Is it Bioshock: Infinite and TLoU?
>>319716871
A golden skin for a gun with no stat changes is absolutely not the same as an entirely distinct gun that happens to be gold you retarded faggot
>>319720004
>america
>base of the operationPS4, the bestselling console in the world, is japanese. What now, fuccboi?
>>319719812
>>319720018
Neither of those is deep nor well written, sorry anon.
They are both very fun, though.
>>319720056
the original post I replied to did not state skin anywhere, it said a golden "gone". Eat my technicality, fuckwad.
>>319718892
>>319719703
>>319719864
>these memers honestly think they're the smartest anons on this board
Come now.
>>319717817
>get out off my secret club!
lol fuck u nerd desu senpai
>>319720210
You had fun with Bioshit? How?
>>319720343
You didn't? How?
>>319712047
Is it really greed if there's a legitimate market? Some people are willing to spend money on this kind of thing, there's not really anything unethical about a company tapping into that market.
Justifying pay-only cosmetic DLC is what got us to this level faggots.
>hoping for a nice thread where people list examples of games with shitty DLC or pre-order bonuses
>get this instead
Not entirely complaining
>>319717625
Yeah, fuck anyone that wants a full game instead of rushed cut up shit with sprinkles on top as an extra fee.
>>319720436
>2gun limit
>gun upgrades are not fun, just larger numbers
>simplified ammo
>"cover-based"
>elizabeth resupply
the game was pretty poorly made, I dont know how you could enjoy it unless you've neverplayed a *shock game before. Vigors were the only redeeming gameplay feature.
>>319720676
No, demanding that every game needs to push technology forward and slamming it when they don't, on top of throwing massive fits when publishers try to charge more than $60 is what got us to this level.
>>319720248
>this gentleman sincerely believes he has the brain-ular fortitude to claim he is the smartest and not me
Good meme, my friend.
>>319719946
>I-if you play call of duty, get out of m-my 4chins
CoD represents everything wrong with the industry though. You actually do need to leave if you play and desire to discuss CoD.
>>319719471it's fake, dude
>>319720289
>muh sekrit club
Reminder this is why neo-/v/ exists and why people don't lurk.
>>319720961
>on top of throwing massive fits when publishers try to charge more than $60 is what got us to this level.
Are you saying games have MORE content nowadays on ratio to the budget, because that's full of shit.
>>319715860
good prices if you only buy the -real good games-
>>319721183
No, he's saying they have prettier content, which costs more to make than simple polygons or sprites.
>>319721096
It's real though
>>319721332
>he actually thinks that the cost of muh grafix is enough to justify trying to milk wallets
The people who defend this have no fucking clue what they're talking about
>>319720817
>2 gun limit
Meh, sure it's not ideal, but it doesn't really make the game any less fun.
>gun upgrades are not fun, just larger numbers
they weren't fun in Bioshock 1 or 2 either. "OH WOW I NOW HAVE 2 BARRELS FOR MY SHOTGUN, SO FUN BRUH"
>simplified ammo
Eh, yeah it sucks, but it really would overlap with the powers in the game, making them pretty redundant.
>cover based
not any more than Bioshock 1 or 2
>elizabeth resupply
it's not like removing it would make the game any more challenging.
>the game was pretty poorly made
it was the most polished and well put together game of the entire *shock series. The mechanics were all evidently carved to fit together in a smooth manner.
Can I buy fun?
I'd buy a Fun DLC
>>319720001
ME3 was...
treacherous
>>319715731
>it's fully playable in the godawful tacked on singleplayer mode
Fuck you, you slimy ass gooks.
>>319721084
Nah. If you honestly think CoD is the cancer killing gaming, you are really out of touch with the industry. Do you learn everything about what is going on through this board or something?
>>319721527
>Publishers now have to make games on 1000x the budget that they did 10 years ago and sell it at the same price
>inb4 m-muh increasing sales figures
Most AAA releases barely break even from their sales. Not even close to enough to allow studios to continue to staying open without releasing extra content to help boost revenue.
Fallout 4, GTA V are both huge fucking anomalies in sales.
>>319721332
But that's also full of shit outside AAA you motherfucking baka.
You think Tales needs the extra bank to come out? With it having up to five times the costumes as DLC it has in-game?
How about the MOBA circuit where they just complete abandoned and brainstorm concepts without balancing the others, so you just get a cluster fuck where only 20% of the cast can be vital in team composition.
>>319718189
Destiny
>>319722161
Sometimes I forget Bill Nighy is in Destiny. Most times I wonder why the fuck they got Bill Nighy in to voice a character in Destiny.
>>319716124
Actually, especially when taking inflation into account, games have gone DOWN considerably. And that's triply true if you count all the non-AAA releases.
>>319721940
>Not even close to enough to allow studios to continue to staying open
Okay, now you're brainwashed by interviews.
In the case of EA, even breaking even is a studio killer. They even own a semi-secret Korean MMO subcompany where they just 86 anything that isn't an instant hit.
>>319721940
>If you honestly think CoD is the cancer killing gaming, you are really out of touch with the industry
It represents everything wrong with it
>brown 'n bloom
>health regeneration
>shitty campaign
>cosmetic DLC
>season passes/DLC costing as much as the game
>paid reviews
Also,
you are aware most triple A shit that sells has more of its budget put into advertising right? Its not that they're trying to make the game next-gen and revolutionary, they're trying to milk money.
>>319720001
Let's not forget they unironically had DLC only obtainable by buying cans of doctor fucking pepper
>>319716160
Gotchu covered, brother from another mother.
>>319721940
>Most AAA releases barely break even from their sales. Not even close to enough to allow studios to continue to staying open without releasing extra content to help boost revenue.
Activision Blizzard had enough money to buy the creators of candy crush for six billion united states dollars.
Six billion. $6,000,000,000. Nine zeroes.
>>319716275
Maybe they could entice people to buy at full price by making a good game? What is with all the corporate apologists defending developers who hold content hostage behind a pay wall after the game has already been purchased
>>319722339
>brown n bloom
hasn't been relevant to a cod game since... modern warfare 3.
>health regen
>implying that's a problem
it's a fucking mechanic choice you mongoloid. Not every god damn game needs to have health packs. It's not CoD's fault that everybody wants to use that mechanic
>shitty campaign
in what way? because it's "cover based"?
>cosmetic DLC
>DLC costing as much as the game
Lmao I seriously doubt you can even make a coherent, relevant argument as to why this is bad.
"milk money" is a good start, but flesh out WHY that is bad and you are on your way to your opinion actually meaning something.
>>319722645
>Publisher has a lot of money
Amazing, too bad that doesn't pay the developer's bills.
>They can just use their massive fountains of money to pay the developers even more so DLC won't be a thing!
What a wonderful way to kill a business. Thank god you aren't a CFO of a company.
>>319721542
I like how you can tell someone is an apologist when you read the words meh, and eh. Bioshock infinite was a cash grab and was nothing like the previous games in terms of good gunplay nor story. The gameplay was laughably easy even on the hardest difficulty and it literally added regenerating health (shield).
Go fuck yourself you casual apologist
>>319719379
>All I want to know is why the fuck would a person who plays Call of Duty go on 4chan?
Because there are people here who support companies that create games that are more shallow and jewish and they're praised.
>>319710490
I hate when companies lock DLC cosmetics behind a limited supply paywall. Shit like WoW, Smite, etc.
Quit developing content with the intent of removing it.
>>319715860
Hey they did jack up the prices fucking retard. Can you not rationalize that games were 49.99 vs 59.99
>>319723264
If AAA products are hemorrhaging money, how do the publishers have six billion dollars
This isn't even the publisher of your so called "exceptions", GTAV and Fallout 4; these are the publishers of Call of Duty. Their flagship title is Call of Duty, the typical AAA game. It's logical to assume that the way they got six billion united states dollars is by making lots of money through sales and DLC, massively more than the cost of development.
Which, y'know, kind of busts the utterly retarded idea that the typical AAA game which costs >$100 for a person to fully own can barely break even.
>pre order DLC
>store exclusive pre order DLC
>DLC that requires a chart to tell what or if you can get things from where
>>319723373
>was nothing like the previous games in terms of good gunplay
Yeah, it had much better gunplay, actually. It wasn't nearly as poorly put together.
>The gameplay was laughably easy even on the hardest difficulty
Lmao if you honestly think any *shock game isn't a fucking cakewalk in a shooting gallery on any difficulty, you don't have any business calling others "casual".
>>319724023
>If AA products are hemorrhaging money, how do the publishers have six billion dollars
Anon I can't even comprehend how stupid this statement is.
>How do the two publishers who published StarCraft and CoD:MW2 have six billion dollars
Beyond that, not every publisher is Activision-Blizzard. On top of that, it's not about "hemorrhaging money", it's about games not returning enough money to pay salaries, which results in downsizing.
THQ went fucking bankrupt.
Konami is about to join them.
If Battlefield wasn't the new Call of Duty, EA would surely be getting ready to join them.
You can't just name the most successful publishers and titles and act like they are the norm.
>It's logical to assume that the way they got six billion united states dollars is by making lots of money through sales and DLC, massively more than the cost of development.
Or the fact that it's a fucking successful ass publisher with a lot in it's wallet left over from it's huge fucking successful games.
Do you think Spongebob Heropants or Cabela's big game hunter: pro hunts made them that six billion?
>>319712047
If you're allowed to be greedy and demand absolutely nothing be allowed to be sold as an addon, even the completely trivial shit like cosmetics, why can't companies be greedy too? Talk about fucking hypocrisy.
