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>>319664828
Ok, i give up, can someone explain me what is the problem here?
>>319665129
medium ranged awp I guess
I don't see the problem if you are going to play a no skill RNG fps idk what difference this makes
>>319665264
The problem is it outclasses almost every weapon in every situation.
>>319665389
Same respone
no skill rng based fpd with random bullet spread
git gud, oh wait you cant
>>319664828
>aaaaaah i want my rng back volvo pls remove this gun that haves 100% accuracy and give me back my random spread and first shot inaccuracy
>>319665445
>random spread
Every gun has a predetermined spray pattern, bruv
>>319664828
I don't even play CSGO, just watch because its entertaining, and this pisses me off. After seeing people use this, and by people I mean two whole teams playing ranked, and only this, it is blowing my mind how something so blatantly unbalanced could be thrown in with apparently no testing. Who needs an AWP when this fucker exists?
>>319665129
I played a comp-match with my friend yesterday. I had barely used the gun, but my friend was having the time of his life, even during warmup. It felt just plain ridiculous that there existed a weapon of such power and magnitude, for only $850. We were jumping around and headshotting enemies at long ranges, like we literally had a pocket-AWP.
>>319665129
>gun that actually hits where you aim
>so you actually need skill to shoot now
>people with that skill now can get kills because they don't have to rely on RNG
>people whine because it's not muh CS:GO feel anymore
>people literally want CS:GO to be RNG bullshit
>>319665264
Pretty much. It's comepletely awful but really highlights how flawed the game is.
>m4
>2 shots to the head 3/4 shots to the body to kill
>inaccurate when moving
>have to learn spray control or tap fire to use
>r8
>1 shot kill to abdomen, easiest spot to hit
>lol 100% accurate when moving
>if in panic mode just spam right click and pray for a hit, if you luck out you kill the enemy in one hit
fun game
>>319665563
except it's random as fuck
pic related
The game is actually fun now. People are retards who don't see fun even when it's right in front of them. I fucking hope this never gets nerfed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofobavsPZ7s
I took the opportunity to rank up, because everyone became John fucking Marston when it came out, but everyone sucked.
>>319665757
>implying that's random
The bullets follow a predetermined path and on each shot there's a predetermined spray how far the bullet can go from the zero-point.
There is literally no random spray pattern as all bullet positions can be calculated.
Also, if you stand still, the first shot is _always_ accurate.
It's a pretty tricky weapon to master
>>319665757
there is a clear pattern here
if you except a rifle to always shoot in the exact location every time you're retarded and should consider suicide
>>319665819
YEEHAW
I havent lost a single competative match since I started using this. Granted I dont even have a rank yet, but still.
>>319665917
are you retarded or just blind?
take a look at the pic again
remember this is a competitive fps,are you trying to tell me that getting a different spray pattern every time is ok? i swear you csgo drones are dumb as shit no wonder you have shit like cases in your game
It's the best gun ever, Bullets actually go where you aim them unless you panic mode. You shoot people and they die. All I do now is buy Armor and R8.
>>319665757
That's actually very consistent for the distance you should be spraying at. Tapping is so shit in the game that everyone just sprays at medium and fairly long range, tapping should have been buffed and spray should get slightly nerfed.
>>319665951
>using the realism argument in a videogame not remotely realistic
>>319665649
>running and gunning
>skill
great memed.
>>319665917
>how far the bullet can go from the zero-point.
That's random by definition
>Also, if you stand still, the first shot is _always_ accurate.
AHAHAHAHAH just look at this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0rlCJ047Ds
Do you even play the fucking game?
![giphy[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/0Vq6wVz.gif "giphy[1].gif")
>>319664828
>tfw you fucking love revolvers
>this happens
>>319665951
>clear pattern
>every pattern is different
>clear
You need your eyes checked
>>319665757
>Actually spraying whole mag
You shoot 5 bullets max, then let recoil and spread reset
>>319666054
Literally all the spray patterns just go up, right and left.
Every single one.
All you have to do to compensate is slowly move your mouse down after the third shot and every bullet will hit.
And that happens with every single spray.
>>319666204
Oh right, It should have RNG to be skill. You want random crits next?
>>319666204
>standing still and gunning
>skill
>>319666176
>a game must be either 100% realistic simulator and be torture to play or a 100% casual arcade shooter with almost zero challenge or it's shit
consider suicide
>>319666343
And still you can be fucked if the RNG decides that the bullet will go few pixels off center and there is nothing you can do about it.
>>319666419
>Positioning and strafing instead of rushing and killing everything with 1 shot
>Skill
Yes
>>319666495
Where did I say any of that?
>>319666309
english is not my first language so i make mistakes like this, i meant that there is a pattern but its not always 100% the same
>>319665757
>posting the sprays after volvo fucked them up too
this patch is literally the worst
>>319666595
And that's the RNG part. How fucking stupid can you be?
>>319664828
>le just meme
>>>/trash/
>>319666667
>Nerfing spray to encourage tapping and bursting instead of spray and pray
>bad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jhFBlprg3Y
>>319666837
It fucks with tapping as well since each shot takes longer to reset
>>319666215
>That's random by definition
No, because there is a prefixed value of how far it can go.
If a shot can be reproduced, it's not random.
The only way it would be random was if there was no algorithm for a shot prediction, which there is.
There is no such thing as "random" in programming, there's always some predetermined algorithm to produce a final value.
Also, that video doesn't really prove anything.
Even at 60% you have 12/20 headshots and the ak is a one-shot kill if you land a headshot.
Also, I didn't claim you only have to get headshots, only hit the enemy, so the first shot _is_ always accurate when standing still, because it is literally impossible to not hit someone when standing still and aiming directly at them.
Stop moving the goalposts and think logically for once
.>>319666512
It doesn't matter, because that's not how the hit-detection works.
Let's say you start spraying.
Your bullets go up about halfway.
Now, on the spray line, aka the path where the bullets will move, you have the zero point, a 0, 0 coordinate exactly on the spray line, that is bullet spread.
If you spray and compensate by moving your mouse down, so that the zero-point is on the enemy, from medium-range you will always hit, because the maximum deviation on, say, kalashnikov, is about 4, 4 so the shot can spread through 4^2 pixels.
Basically, if you're spraying and your enemy covers the bullet spread area, there isn't a single chance that you will miss if you compensate for the spraying.
I started playing for the first time last night. Probably not a good idea.
>>319667103
>if a shot can be reproduced, it's not random
HUH?!?!?!?!
>>319667248
Random is literally not predictable.
But every shot in this game can be predicted and every shot can be compensated for.
>>319667330
HOLY SHIT THE DAMAGE CONTROL
>>319667248
I think he meant
>if a shot can be reproduced consistently
>>319667103
>No, because there is a prefixed value of how far it can go.
So it can do somewhere between value 0 and that "prefixed value" right? You have no control over what value you get. You can't manipulate it. To you it's random what value you get.
>Also, that video doesn't really prove anything.
It does, first hit doesn't always hit where you aim. It's literally there.
>Even at 60% you have 12/20 headshots and the ak is a one-shot kill if you land a headshot.
So you agree that it isn't accurate on the first hit? Great.
> so the first shot _is_ always accurate when standing still, because it is literally impossible to not hit someone when standing still and aiming directly at them.
But it is. the video proved it. The fuck are you smoking?
>Stop moving the goalposts and think logically for once
You are the on doing that
>Basically, if you're spraying and your enemy covers the bullet spread area, there isn't a single chance that you will miss if you compensate for the spraying
That's only true to a certain range, after that it's pure RNG. You CAN'T deny that.
>>319666837
they could have just brought back ad if they wanted scream to not just be some faggot reddit meme
>>319667373
>I have no legitimate argument, so I'll just shitpost
Ok
>>319667330
Look at the video. You have 50% of hitting someone with a AK at certain distance and there is nothing you can do to compensate for it. That's RNG by deifinition.
Here's a little insight
Valve is just a toxic mess of a company.
They stay in their own little bubble, anyone who disagrees with the bubble is ignored and the only time Valve will ever do anything is if it makes them money or risks losing them money.
They don't care about communicating because it gets them nothing, it isn't like people are going to stop buying hats.
>>319667564
>You have no control over what value you get
Right, but you know how far the bullet can go from the original spot and should base your decisions upon that information.
>first hit doesn't always hit where you aim
Except it does, because in the video he doesn't one tap.
He's shooting fast enough for the spread algorithm to come into play, therefore increasing the inaccuracy
>That's only true to a certain range
No fucking shit, spraying is only useful to a certain range, you figured it out, bravo, do you want a medal?
Literally would have been a perfect update if it was just the pistol nerf.
>>319667939
>unironically using the word toxic
Regardless, valve isn't so much "toxic" as they are self-absorbed. Enough idiots will buy skins and hats to keep them in business so they don't have to care about things like balance in their games. Valve is a defacto retailer now, games aren't their priority. That's not "toxic" as it is just gaben realizing his dream of being the next Bill Gates.
>>319665757
What's wrong with this? They are all pretty much the same. This will never make the difference between a win and a loss.
>>319668059
>Right, but you know how far the bullet can go from the original spot and should base your decisions upon that information.
No, you literally can't, after certain distance you can't compensate enough and it all comes down to RNG.
>Except it does, because in the video he doesn't one tap.
The fuck? He does. Watch it again.
>He's shooting fast enough for the spread algorithm to come into play, therefore increasing the inaccuracy
No he doesn't. He is waiting for the recoil to reset and then shoots again. It's tap shooting. There is no spread at play. Watch it again.
>No fucking shit, spraying is only useful to a certain range, you figured it out, bravo, do you want a medal?
So you agree that there is RNG and there is nothing you can do about it? Good
>>319667647
>Guns have a accuracy range just like in real life
FUCKING RNG
>>319668487
>aim at something
>bullet goes somewhere else where you aim
>this is okay
>>319668560
>physics exist
>this is okay
>>319668560
>aim at something 300m with a gun that has a range of 200m
>miss
fucking RNG
>>319668487
WELL ITS A GOOD THING THAT ITS NOT REAL LIFE THEN NOW IS IT FAGGOT?
>>319668754
>CS guns are same as real life guns
It's a fucking game
>>319668771
>shit posting this hard
>>319668812
A game with bullet spread which apparently you can't seem to understand
>>319668914
>bullet spread with RNG
ftfy and no, it's not okay. Competetive game should not have RNG. I bet you would like random crits too, right?
>>319667647
>distance exceeds the guns effective range state in the buy menu
>WHY ISN'T IT ACCURATE PAST ITS EFFECTIVE RANGE
bravo
>>319668309
toxic is what they are. Look up interviews of people who left valve, they say the same shit.
>>319668989
>projecting
>>319668989
No, I simply don't want people to win long range gun fights using a pistol against an awp which ruins the economy aspect.
>>319668332
Do you actually think they ever played this game for more than 2 hours?
>>319669121
>pistol beats sniper at mid and close range
woah who would have thought?
>>319669235
Learn to read.
>>319664828
>people will defend this
I really wonder what these people are like IRL
>>319669235
But it shouldn't, remember, since sniper rifles are more accurate than pistols even at close and mid ranges.
Even firing from the hip should be more accurate than a pistol.
So after about 4000hr of cs in total this crap is the end. i quit. This update is the worst nightmare for every cs:go player. just fuck you valve!
>>319669317
>sniper rifle hipfire should be more accurate than a pistol
Thank god you aint in charge of jack or shit
>>319669121
>I can't git gud so I want RNG for the sake of difficulty!
Retard. You are the reason why we can't have good competetive games.
Valve: What kinda update u want?
GOfags: Just fuck my balance up
>>319669442
If a sniper rifle isn't 100% accurate every single shot, why should any other weapon be?
If you really want CS:GO weapons to behave like real life weapons, you have to invent algorithms for gun condition, person's mental and physical state, person's position and movement, etc...
There are so many variables that determine a weapon's accuracy, it's not even funny.
CS:GO has a simple system that can be bypassed by learning said system.
>>319669518
>I want every single gun to be as accurate as a sniper and the economy to be worthless. So every round, both teams full-buy or not will be almost the same shit and use the same strategies.
I feel sorry for people arguing that this thing is an unbalanced piece of shit
of course it is, anyone defending is a scrub
>>319669404
Yet people like me are enjoying CS now more than ever. The game should have been like this from the start.
>playing 20 year old games
>>319669845
Then play CS:GO as much as you can right now since this thing will be more nerfed than the CZ75
>>319669518
Go back to the amazingly lively quake pro scene then buddy nobody is stopping you.
Popular competitive games right now
>Dota the 2
Base damage variants, multiple skills that effect targets randomly or are proced by chance
>csgo
Spread
>LoL
Actually has almost no RNG at allIt's almost like learning to play around deviation makes shit interesting to watch and not super formulaic.
>>319669801
Sure, why not. You should be able to shoot where you aim.
>>319668391
He didn't reply to this one because he ran out of excuses
>>319664828
last night i was watching broteam stream and he opened one of his ten+ crates and the very first thing he got was a legendary knife worth over a hundred dollars
what the hell is the cs:go economy?
>>319669723
>why should any other weapon be?
A small thing called balancing
That you don't know anything about, ohwell you are just a retard on the internet being wrong about something, want a gold medal for that achievement?
This gun is by far the worst addition to any modern competitive title in all of history.
I'm amazed and intrigued about how it was added at all in this state.
I have no doubt it'll get nerfed- but something like this can't have been playtested.
Did they just not look at the stat values for this gun as a massive problem? On paper it just doesn't make sense.
GUNS SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE AIMED IT IS A BULLSHIT GUN BECAUSE NOT ONLY CAN YOU AIM IT BUT IT SHOOTS WHERE YOU AIM PLEASE REMOVE THE GUN
>>319670080
>A small thing called balancing
Real life isn't balanced, why should a video game be?
>>319670097
Look at it from this perspective, it could do 1 damage have 1 max ammo and be the most inaccurate shit in the world, and people would still bitch about it being OP just because its new and new things are always OP.
So why not release it in a completely broken state, then hit it with the nerf hammer until its at the point you WANTED to release it at while at the same time you have calmed down the raging autists who hate new things and appealed to the raging autists who demand new shit
>>319670325
Because video games aren't real life
>>319670213
The damage values are the problem, not the fact that its inaccurate or not.
You could argue the accuracy at 500 game meters is a massive issue though
>>319666564
You are what ruined CS btw, prrobably a css kiddie.
>>319670404
Then why complain about RNG?
>>319670424
IN A GAME DESIGNED AROUND KILLING PEOPLE GUNS THAT KILL PEOPLE ARE BAD
>>319666084
This is the problem, honestly it should stay in casual just like the zeus did until recently.
>>319666173
Spray was nerfed in the same patch they reduced the running spread for pistols and introduced the R8
>>319670524
The people that are complaining about RNG aren't the same as the ones that are complaining about the gun
>>319670359
at 850 its way too good
The m1 should be a much slower rate of fire, and the m2 should be much more inaccurate (all other values remain constant)
other than that the pistols in CS were way too reliable, way too mobile, and have often faced more nerfs than other guns in the game because of that- including in this patch.
Adding in new weapons WILL make those people come out and cry, but i don't think this gun should have the same base damage as an AWP at 15% the cost
I really wish I hadn't purchased the Valve Complete Pack.
I want a refund of CS:GO, but that would mean I also couldn't play CSS.
>>319670628
The running spread for the pistols were increased though. Which makes this gun even more retarded.
>>319670659
Why complain about the gun if it's just a video game?
>Gun added to game that actually hits where the reticle is
>people hate it
Do CSGO players even know how FPS's are supposed to work?
>all these shitters complaining about RNG
Do you know how many FPS games have no RNG and let you shoot where you aim? A fuckton.
Do you know how many of them are as popular, interesting and competitive as CSGO? None of them. Wake up, sheeple.
>>319670783
Because it makes the video game less enjoyable to 90% of the people that play it.
>>319670695
>Adding in new weapons WILL make those people come out and cry, but i don't think this gun should have the same base damage as an AWP at 15% the cost
Thats the thing we don't know how strong they designed it to be up to 1-3 nerfs in, you don't release a new thing at the state you think its balanced because its a new thing and people don't know how to deal with it so they WILL cry even if its perfectly fine.
You release something thats 2gud, then nerf it hard to give the impression that all the bitching had an effect and life goes on as normal
>>319670538
Who's saying this? Are you just trying to strawman/meme on purpose or are you actually retarded?
Its a highly competitive shooter, anything that lowers the skill cap or trashes the meta as hard as this addition has is always going to be met with this much outrage.
Its not like they added a bad gun, they added a gun that replaces 99.9% of guns in almost every situation. That's the problem.
>>319670538
sounds like you can't defend this broken shit and are just being retarded now
>>319670829
no they are stupid,only thing they know is how to buy keys so they can open boxes
>>319665389
So does the AWP though.
>>319665757
Only a noob would spray the whole mag
Aren't there community servers? Couldn't you just join one that didn't allow the Revolver? I know they had those in 1.6 and CSS.
>>319671025
Compare the prices and their slots now.
>>319664828
>Posts picture of a worse AWP saying that -this- is the problem with the game rather than the AWP itself.
Come on now.
>>319670860
But everyone has the same guns, therefore it's the most fair game possible.
>>319665649
>rng bullshit
>set spray patterns
can this rng meme fucking die please?
Why should valve actually nerf this?
The M4 and the AK outclassed every weapon and you were fine with that
What's wrong with this time?
This is the most fun I've had with CS:GO.
>>319671076
or maybe they could fix it so it's not random how about that one you dumb fuck?
>>319671179
>thinking people who play this ancient museum of a game to care about fun
Anyone still playing Counterstrike today only does so because muh nostalgia, everything is exactly the same as before I fucked up my life
>>319671137
>spread is always the same I swear!
>>319665757
>>319671231
Or maybe you should git gud instead of blaming the game? But thats 2hard isnt it?
>>319671231
Oh yea, let's give a reason to have everyone spam their mag like a noob now.
Fuck off.
>>319671124
Everyone being able to use something they dislike doesn't mean they will suddenly like it.
>>319671172
Look at the prices of both the M4s and AK.
Besides:
>M4s can't kill with a single headshot while wearing helmet while this gun can kill with a single bodyshot while wearing kevlar
>M4s need 4-5 shoots to kill at medium range while the AK needs 3-4. This gun needs 1
>>319671231
>being this shit
Go play literally any other FPS
>>319671121
4750 vs 850, both do the same thing
>>319665819
The reload animation is so bad. The gun is so ugly. Fuck you gayben.
>>319671172
The R8 is $850 and an AWP without a scope that fires faster, with close-range rapid fanning action.
>>319671336
I would try to git gud if there was away for me to actually control my spray but it's RNG
>>319670914
Sure that can work if you want to shoulder the blame for that. This gun can mean the difference between a rank up/down or not in competitive games and thats where the fuel for hatred is going to come from.
People always call the Autos imbalanced, but the truth is at the top level they ARE balanced and work really well within the state of the game.
This pistol affects bottom level economy games; and will actually end up being abused not by pros in unique ways- but by random shitters on the game ladder.
In alot of ways, the pros have every right to be more pissed because any competitive games/tournaments going on in the next few days are going to have this gun fucking the meta up the entire time because you can't play around it.
Tbh, i think its better to release a shitty gun and buff it into its own standing, than to do something like this.
>>319671364
>>319671429
Then why were you okay with the more expensive versions of the M4 and AK (SG and AUG) not being any better?
>>319671172
Because it completely demolishes any concept of an eco round and it also means that you can say goodbye to ever pushing an AWP again because they'll just pull out their pocket AWP and Ocelot you in one shot.
>>319671438
>This gun can mean the difference between a rank up/down or not in competitive games and thats where the fuel for hatred is going to come from.
See thats implying valve gives a shit about ranks.
>>319671364
>Everyone being able to use something they dislike doesn't mean they will suddenly like it.
Then don't use it.
>>319671231
Or maybe they want to reward people to actually aim and tap the head in long distances and get a satisfying kill instead of making the whole game about learning the spray pattern and use spam it in every situation?
>>319671431
Good thing you don't need to spray. A short burst (simply pull down your gun) is more than enough to kill people if you don't hit the head.
ITLL GET NERFED
man what a bunch of hysterical women csgo community is
>>319671514
You can shoot them in the head with your AR/AK faster than they can shoot you
If you get killed by a revolver when you have an automatic weapon, you're just bad
The response you see is what happens when you add in a gun pretty much straight out of an arena shooter in a game filled with inaccurate RNG weapons.
The ass blasting isunreal
>>319666675
RNG that minor does not affect gameplay enough to call it a skill-less shooter
>>319665757
>very clearly a pattern
Cool, it's still a pretty clear pattern despite the variation between each spread. Even 1.6 used a similar method, having there be different variations of the same pattern getting sprayed out. It's never been a 100% static pattern getting shot out every time, and the game wouldn't be better if there was one.
The whole spray pattern is there to discourage spraying, but also to reward players that can adjust their aim and compensate for the recoil. It's not as accurate as a 1 tap but it's still viable, it's pretty much the back up skill you rely on if you miss your first few shots.
>>319666215
The AK and M4 have always been somewhat inaccurate at range, Valve has kept this so the SG and the AUG can have an advantage over them in ranged combat. It's already been a really debated topic for fucking years, personally I think they should buff tap and burst firing and nerf spraying, even most pros go for the spray because of how weak tapping is.
I'm not sure why I try to talk about CS here, it's pretty clear this board has 0 idea what they're talking about.
>>319665591
>>319665716
They very clearly didn't test it, and pretty much all of the current patch notes are really fucked.
Hopefully they roll back the whole patch and nerf the revolver, but I bet they'd only nerf the revolver at this rate. They seem to never listen to anyone regarding the balance of this game.
>>319671559
They don't but random fucking GN4's will feel as if there has been a massive injustice done as a result of this gun being in this game. It fuels community outrage, thats the point i was trying to make.
>>319671408
And the thing they do is retarded, there lies the issue. Remove both.
>>319671489
They are but they simply aren't worth the price. It's better to have underpowered weapons than have overpowered weapons.
I spent 4 hours total playing CS:GO.
2 hours before the update, 2 hours using this gun. Before the update my k/d was usually 1/20. I do not know the maps, tactics, anything. After the update I see myself at the top of the scoreboard sometimes. That speaks for itself, I guess.
>>319671661
>a gun behaves like a real gun
wow stupid arcade bullshit
>a gun sprays 90 degrees upwards if you stand completely still and stay crouched
yes this is perfect
>>319671119
The point is, they're both stupid weapons, neither should be in the game.
>>319671760
>It fuels community outrage, thats the point i was trying to make.
The point I'm making is it would happen regardless of the state the gun is in when it releases because its a new thing.
You will take flak for it so why not add as super good nerf it to be usable, instead of adding it as usable and then having to nerf it to be bad
>>319671778
>they are
But they aren't. And the difference is that nobody complains about them being underpowered.
>>319671646
The spread for the secondary isn't completely random and doesn't have the one-second delay, 'cause it seems like that's what your argument is resting on. I'm not even saying it isn't a fun gun to use. Just that it is indeed unbalanced and honestly looks a bit TACTICAL for CS. I mean gee Bill, two separate rails with nothing on them?
A few facts about the new gun from someone who has actually played with it:
>standing still, lmb shots are pretty accurate, and are one-shot kills at mid range, torso up
>the shots have a huge delay, like half a second, before they fire
>this weapon punishes those who miss at close ranges with rifles
>secondary fire is quicker, but very inaccurate, only reliable at close range
I would bet that if instead of adding this new gun, that vulva had changed the deagle to this, people would be rejoicing.
>>319667647
>>319668995
This is the argument people need to get in their heads. If you want a weapon that's insanely accurate at range use a scout or an AWP. Even the SG and AUG are drastically more accurate than the M4 and AK.
Everyone posts these videos showing off how the M4 and AK are inaccurate at range like it's a bad thing. It's like watching people complain about a melee unit in an RTS being completely unable to hit flying units.
>>319671489
Firstly, because the difference between the R8 and another other gun is much larger than the AK/SG and M4/AUG.
Secondly, because those weapons have balancing differences. The AK/M4 is more accurate, while you can zoom with the SG/AUG.
>valvedrones will defend rng
movement penalty makes sense
ladder penalty makes sense
accurate range makes sense
spray patterns make sense
rng doesnt make sense
new gun is great and finally proves my aim is perfect and csgo is fuckerd
>>319671584
>just tap shoot!
it has RNG too >>319666215
>>319669936
What competitive shooter doesn't have a form of RNG? Why would perfectly straight shots make the game competitive? How does bullet spray/recoil make a game RNG based? Making a fictional game have realistic elements as well as false ones somehow makes the realistic elements RNG? You CS:GO haters have shit-tier arguments every single time.
>>319665917
By definition: RNG
Don't worry kiddies, soon this gun will be nerfed to uselessness and you'll be back to only having three entire guns in the game being viable
You know, disliking change or anything outside of your comfort zone (m4, ak, awp) is a sign of autism
>>319672090
>be outside of the effective range of the weapon
>its not as effective as another weapon that has a longer effective range
Wow its almost like different guns are better at different ranges! No that would be just too confusing
>>319671887
The AWP is a staple in the CS games and will never go away. Besides it can be countered easily since pop flashes exists and their vision is limited by the scope.
>>319671960
Yes, they are. They are more accurate and do more damage than their lower priced counterparts. The SG completely ignores kevlar but has one of the most difficult sprays to control.
They simply are too expensive and everyone is used to M4/AK to consider using them. And like I said before
>It's better to have underpowered weapons than have overpowered weapons.
>>319672062
>new gun is great and finally proves my aim is perfect and csgo is fuckerd
DING DING DING
everyone being exposed as frauds because this gun finally lets everyone to be able to shoot things without bullshit RNG
>>319672212
Flashes can counter the R8 too, guess it shouldn't be nerfed
>>319672116
>everyone else use RNG so it's okay to have RNG in this game!
No, it's not.
And I'm enjoying CS:GO more than ever right now. This gun made it better than ever.
>>319672284
Yes.Since the R8 is about holding angles while standing still,having limited vision because of the scope (you can be flashed without ever seeing the flashbang on your screen while scoped) and totally not a run and gun weapon
>>319670619
How is this a problem? We're only a few steps away from railguns-only deathmatch just like the old days, but with a silly bomb instead of CTF
>>319672457
So the r8 makes flashes not work?
Huh
Didn't know that hidden affect
>>319664828
>>319671775
Awps downsides are significantly higher than the revolvers
Awp: Pros:
>One shot torso and higher
>Effective at all ranges
>Capable of changing the momentum of an entire game
Cons:
>Extremely immobile, cannot fire while moving accurately
>Must be scoped to shoot accurately consistently
>One of the highest costing weapons in the game
>Can also swing the momentum for the enemy team if the weapon is lost
>Low firerate compared to other weapons
>Reduces vision and control of the HUD
Revolver has none of those cons and all of the pros (albeit the firerate is low, however still faster than the awp, also the range effectiveness is not as long.) Those are minor in comparison to the Awp, nerf revolver.
>>319672274
>Doesn't play the game
>>319672580
>if a gun outside of the 3 viable guns in the game it should be nerfed!!!!!!!!!
>gun with no rng added
>anyone that is competent at video games can play csgo now
>csgo players that spent years learning rng patterns buttmad that people with 0> years of experience are shitting on them in game
i fucking love video games, what a time to be alive
>>319672580
Except the r8 is not a 1shot 1kill at medium-long ranges unlike the awp.
Gun is fucking stupid and completely broke the game dont get me wrong but its not an awp.
>>319672135
Except it isn't, since all the numbers are within a limit.
RNG would imply that there can be any spread range, but there can't be, all the numbers are prefixed.
>>319672568
Do you know what a counter is at all? AWPers have no way dealing with this since they don't even see it coming. R8 users can simply turn aroud.
>>319672738
Considering how the game is designed around money this is actually a good thing, all guns are viable, its just that for the price the ak and the m4 are the best ones to use plus they are heavily skill based unlike a smg or a pistol.
Please stop posting.
>>319671916
I don't play CS competitively, I tend to stray towards 1v1 titles, even if those games don't have real competitive scenes.
I play the game on and off and at some level understand the game on a fundamentally; i.e. where the skill cap lies, key mechanics, how the 'meta' works.
This gun adversely affects every stage of the meta, outright removes important mechanics, and lowers the skill cap immensely.
Even if it gets nerfed in the next couple of hours; I will stand by the idea that adding a shit gun, and then buffing it as need be is MUCH better than adding an outright game breaking weapon and then nerfing it later.
Because right now, its hard to even ask what 'role' this gun is supposed to fill other than being an alternative for the desert eagle.
Its accurate at long ranges, its damage is off the charts, its armor pen is better, and there isn't any point where you wouldn't want this pistol over any other pistol, or any other RIFLE.
So, basically what i'm trying to ask is; why was this gun 'needed'? Because we don't even really know at this point.
>>319671887
If you honestly think the AWP should go then you're casual as fuck.
Granted, AWPing is easy, it's still not OP and using an AWP has various disadvantages, mostly financial and limiting your role in the game.
>>319672062
Use a Scout if you want an accurate one tap weapon, the R8 already completely exceeds the scout in every single way (much higher damage, competent at close range, cheaper, even less movement and jumping penalties to aiming).
SG is also like 99% accurate at pretty much any range, every person crying about RNG in this thread could easily use that rifle at score headshots all day with it assuming you guys were actually competent.
>>319672738
>Gun potentially as effective as other guns for 1/5th of the price
>Doesn't play the game
>Doesn't know that you can literally use every gun available if you want and still be effective
>people that never made it past Silver 3 saying CS:GO is an RNG game and that without the revolver only the AK and M4 are viable
I'm used to people on /v/ shitposting about games they don't even play, but in this case it's kind of sad. I've been winning about 75% of my games at DMG using mainly the P90 and MAG7, and only using a rifle in certain situations where I can reliably prefire the enemy. Does anyone here genuinely believe that bullets that always go in the same direction and can be compensated for = RNG??
If you guys honestly think M4 and Ak47 are just overpowered, consider buying them on 2nd round vs. force-buying T's with Mac 10's and watch how fast you get rolled if you don't stack the correct site. Not every game has to be Quake, dumbfucks.
>>319667103
>there is no such thing as "random" in programming
Uh
>>319666054
>spray pattern that isn't 100% consistent when you hold down the trigger on an automatic rifle
HOLY FUCK STOP THE PRESSES!!!!!!
>>319672828
It can be, dmg is around 97-105 from my experience
I'd love to see Blizzard do something as fun as this. But they won't.
>>319673091
>Not reading, or quoting, the whole sentence
Uh
>>319672970
>why was this gun 'needed'?
So people would stop whining about nothing new except maps and skins.
You are looking far too deep and missing all the obvious reasons for things
>>319672967
>heavily skill-based
>hoping RNG favors you is more skillful than using your skilled aim with the r8
>>319673247
>predicting your shots isn't skill
>>319673247
>muh skilllzzz
le reddit silver has spoken
>>319673014
well if you can use any gun you want and be just as effective then how can anything be OP?
>>319673296
>you can predict RNG
>RNG is more skillful than having to actually aim at your target
>>319673228
I mean, you can totally think that.
But imo thats just as conspiratarded than the people who think valve added it to hide the changes to round timers and spray patterns to rifles.
>>319673363
nice strawman
also reddit is the only one angry at this btw
>>319673019
/v/ is shit at every competitive game,that's why fighting games aren't discussed (game-play wise) here. The ones that compare CS to Quake and Unreal Tournament probably never fucking played any of these 3 games.
>>319673383
>you can predict RNG
Yes
If you know the bullet spread, effective range and spray patterns, you can predict your shots and adjust accordingly.
But I don't expect you to understand, since you're such a fucking moron.
>>319673209
>There is no such thing as "random" in programming, there's always some predetermined algorithm to produce a final value.
Uhhhhhh.....
>gun that hits where the reticle shows
>this isn't okay
I really don't understand. Granted I don't play, and probably won't ever. I don't understand why this is a complaint at all.
CSGO was a turn off for me because of the broken hitboxes and because bullets went where they wanted and not where you aimed. i understand Valve likes to make games needlessly difficult, just for the sake of difficulty using unintuitive mechanics (in this case gun patterns) and that is really the only people flock to their games (Dota 2, CSGO) excluding TF2
I'm not going to spend several hours of my life learning the probability x shot will hit Y area. O guess the only people really upset are those who made the giant time investment to learn weapons only to get killed by a gun that doesn't require said investment?
Someone give me the barebones why this gun is bad. I understand it just being too cheap in terms of cost, but outside that what are the issues with it
>>319673524
>random number generator
>random
>the rng happens in a geneal area
>DIS MEANZ U CAN KNO WAT IT WILL DO NEXT
>>319673550
>I'm trying to argue about things I don't understand
Uhhhhhh.....
>>319673606
>I really don't understand. Granted I don't play, and probably won't ever. I don't understand why this is a complaint at all
this is a false flag
>>319673383
Because the game is economy based, and if the one gun does the same thing another gun does better but costs less, it changes the game
>>319673610
See, I told you that you're a fucking moron.
Literally all spray lines and bullet spreads have maximum deviations from the zero-point.
You are literally trying to argue about things you don't know anything about.
>R8 will be nerfed in your lifetime
>>319673182
s5 Death Knights
Early Mop TfB warriors
>>319672167
>tfw they never undo AK/M4 nerf and AUG/SG master race will finally have its chance to shine
>>319673630
>I'm trying to argue things I don't understand
Uuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...........?
>>319673718
Well alright.
Every poster in this thread including the term "RNG" needs to be executed
>>319673746
>redditshitter gets BTFO
>his only defense are adhominems
Alright kid
>>319673835
>Look, mom, I'm shitposting
Ok
>>319673735
You mean like how the AR and AK out perform the SG and AUG?
>>319672970
Pretty smart. I think they just wanted to add a Revolver in so they made a space for one with minimal thought. Look at the CZ, they wanted an aoutomatic pistol with only 2 magazines. They tried to balance it out but they fucking refused to budge on the ammo pool for the gun because they thought of the gun model FIRST before thinking of the guns role or how else to balance it.
If they nerfed the damage a good deal and upped its ammo pool it'd be a fine gun that fits in with everything else. Now it's pretty much useless as a side arm because of that long as fuck pull out time.
>>319673019
/v/ is pretty shit at FPS games. I can remember people here consistently saying TF2 was a fairly skill based game. There was that whole picture were TF2 was compared to chess and Halo was compared to checkers (I think CoD was tic tac toe on the bottom, can't remember).
People find a game they like, and if they have a hard time mastering it then they assume the game has a high skill ceiling.
>>319673247
>AD tapping with an SG and accurately aiming for two headshots to kill someone is less skillful than running around randomly with an R8 firing at someones torso.
Well, no.
>>319673606
If you don't play, or care about the competitive scene; i imagine it can be really hard to tell why this is an issue; and unless you grasp the intricacies of the game it can be really hard to form worthwhile opinions on this weapon.
>>319673630
someone who knows what they are talking about here
You are right, there are no 'true' random numbers that an algorithm could produce, but the perception of humans only goes so far. Functional random numbers are those that are unpredictable by a party because the "hat" that the numbers are being "drawn out of" is hidden from the party. Be careful with claims of predicting pseudo-random systems, unless you are omniscient.
>>319673960
>provide a fact which nullifies your argument and proceed to insult you afterwards, since you were arguing without being aware of said fact
>AD HOMINEM AD HOMINEM REDDIT REDDIT DURR
Both of the statements in my previous post were correct.
There is a prefixed range how far the bullets spread and you really, really _are_ a fucking moron.
>>319674102
But still every "random" number picked is still picked based on some algorithmical decision.
It's pseudo-random, not completely random, and still completely predictable.
>>319674096
All I've heard is that it hits where it's suppose to and is a power house, (2 body shots = kill) for only $850
Is it because it hits where it's supposed or is it because it's too strong for the price?
Or combination thereof, there have been 10 threads about this in the past day. I'd just like to know what's the big deal is all.
>started playing cs:go yesterday
>play offline for a while
>hop onto casual and play
>no idea what's going on and everyone's talking
>notice everyone is using the R8
>start using it as well to fit in
>tfw no friends to play csgo with
>>319665757
>all three major rifles have a similar spray pattern
I can't believe Valve stole from Call of Duty. Activision should sue.
>>319674150
>I'll throw more ad hominems, this will mean I'm right!
>>319673610
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability
>Probability is the measure of the likeliness that an event will occur.[1] Probability is quantified as a number between 0 and 1 (where 0 indicates impossibility and 1 indicates certainty).[2][3] The higher the probability of an event, the more certain we are that the event will occur. A simple example is the toss of a fair (unbiased) coin. Since the two outcomes are equally probable, the probability of "heads" equals the probability of "tails", so the probability is 1/2 (or 50%) chance of either "heads" or "tails".
>>319674068
The SG and AUG are better than the M4s and AK but they simply aren't seen as necesseary because the price is too high.
>>319674082
>RNG is more skillful than aiming with the r8
literally lmaoing at you
>>319674310
Post ID slut
>>319674150
If you can't manage RNG you're probably shit at skill based video games too tbqh
>>319674257
Right, except the data set from which the random number is being predicted is hidden information from the player. Thus pseudo-random. I think it's safe to say that a human being won't have to worry about predicting reliably.
>>319665917
That was the case in 1.6, way less pronounced in GO
>>319674318
>I'll ignore all the presented facts, that means I'm right
There's no way someone can be this stupid.
>>319674068
Use the AUG or SG an entire round, you can perform just as well and excel in other situations. Pros dont use those guns because of the volatile spray patterns and the fact that the M4s and the AK are "good enough"
>>319665757
>Clearly shows that with the M4 and AK there can be head sized holes in the spray pattern even up close
>Which in some tests are actually filled due to RNG
>"It'll never make a difference!"
>>319674423
am i unskilled at playing the lottery too because I don't win?
>>319674310
Just play comp, you will probably make friends there but while playing 90% of the others will be complete assholes and people that don't understand anything about the game on lower ranks (which this thread is mostly made of)
>>319674326
>wikipedia
>valid
>Ohh neat update, let's try this shit
>Go many rounds with only the revolver
>tfw I literally wreak havoc 60% of the times by rushing and oneshotting people on the body
Anyone expecting a nerf?because I don't
I guess we should just call it the "ir8 revolver" from now on with all the irate csgo players.
>>319674423
>rng
>skill
>>319674464
>I'll just keep posting more ad hominems!
>>319673610
That's literally what happens in CSGO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkGqnqvFi4c
He's doing it right there. He's adjusting his aim and more of his shots are landing in the same area because of this. The longer you spray means the recoil becomes harder to predict and it starts moving left and right.
Why can't /v/ grasp simple game mechanics?
>>319674542
If you had a way to win the lottery by mostly using skill and not using methods that aren't reliable then yes.
>>319674560
Which line in the article do you think is false?
>>319674560
>your opinion
>any more valid than facts
>>319674672
>I got destroyed in an argument, therefore you are wrong
Wimp Lo, what are you doing on /v/?
>>319674730
>R-RNG IS PART OF THE GAME
This update killed the game for me.
I have 1k hours and am Global in the default MM, but its just not fun anymore.
Its not only the R8 that ruined it, although it is far too powerful and quite ridiculous. The fuckign M4 and AK nerfs are what bother me.
The took skill out of the game and replaced it with RNG bullshit.
>>319674730
Because they never played the game for more than 4 hours
>>319674786
>wikipedia
>facts
>>319674082
Yeah, the CZ only has place as a side arm for awpers now, or a cheesy buy on pistol rounds despite it putting you (but not your team) at a marginally comparative disadvantage in later rounds.
The gun itself is in a great spot right now its a great side arm to pick up for awpers; and i think the kill reward and the pullout time need some slight adjusting to make it really 'fit'.
It also shouldn't replace any of other gun, and could really sit in its own category on top of the slot where the deagle is now. But this is a side issue entirely.
I think if the game needed any additions, its an alternative T starting pistol, or T rifle. The glock is spammy and largely ineffective, and pretty much no one wants to use it over a P250 or tech9, which both outperform it in damage or bullet spam respectively.
>>319674894
>your opinions
>facts
>>319674807
M4 and AK were the MOST USED weapons in the entire game.
They had to be nerfed for balance.
>>319674401
>randomly running around with an R8 and aiming for a giant target is more skillful than AD tapping and aiming for a smaller, harder to hit target
baka desu senpai. Do you think bunny hoping should be removed from Quake to? I mean, you seem to hate all instances of skill based movement in shooters.
>>319675073
lmao
>>319675073
>M4 and AK were the MOST USED weapons in the entire game
>were
They still are, m8
