We'll NEVER be able to experience the full game like it was intended.
>still whining about this game
I thought the Phantom Pain was pretty good.
Japanese developers creating their own engines from scratch for every game is an ancient, expensive, time consuming archaic process that has no place in today's development world, and many have payed dearly for it.
>>319379491
They could have just removed Chapter 3.
The game would have been a 8/10.
But no... Play the worst missions in the game AGAIN but now with no-fun-allowed modifiers and complete, AGAIN, all those 8 side objectives.
This made the game go all the way to a 3/10
I have also never even finished it.
>>319379491
It was intended to be like this, Kojima just tricked us into thinking otherwise.
>>319379912
fuck off buttters
>We'll make diamond from their asses.
>>319380205
>I have never finished
You shouldn't get an opinion kuktard.
It's not fucking fair
It just saddens me that a fucking great potential is wasted. The gameplay was really good but the open world....
I think every single mission should have been removed and added to the side ops, then put a singular story instead with singular world, then you can play side ops in the open world environment. This would win the GOTY. I mean the fucking missions are exactly the same as side ops. Just carry them to side ops and implement a singular world and let the players also play the open world environment when they want to do mother base related stuff.
Was it ever intended to not be about parasites or BB absconding?
If not, simply having a longer story wouldn't help.
>people still thinking some cut content destroys a great and already long game
I sure am glad I wasn't on here seeing everyone's whining when the game came out and was too busy having fun with the game.
>>319379912
Heh, I read that in his voice
I dunno, I think the open world really fucked this game. When you are in a compound or a facility sneaking around its great. In the open world on a fucking horse? Boring. Plus the plot sucks, Snake is a mute, I dunno I just didn't like it
>>319380357
Kuking yourself is to let the bull force you to watch all the kuking until he is done with your waifu.
When a game goes full shit, the non-kuk moves on to the next one.
OP here, just for the record i loved the game, but you can't deny the fact that the game's is incomplete.
I like the way the open world works in story missions.
It's cordoned off from the main map so the mission scripting can be precise, but it's still big enough to allow a race against the clock, vehicle action, and two or three installations in one mission. The space allows you learn the script and figure out your own shortcuts, inviting replays.
Im okay because we got Quiet porn wembs out of it, and thats the best a man could ask for.
>>319381537
>immediately after this, the game ends with the big reveal
fucking konami wouldn't even let him finish it.
The best part is, this game really brought to light who the retards are.
Whenever you see someone rate this game over a 4/10, you just know you can ignore anything they say, because they're actually retarded.
Sorry, but if you literally can't complete the game, the game is shit. Not even Metal Gear is an exception.
>>319382257
Every game has cut content. No exceptions. So I guess no game is finishable because every planned gameplay and story element didn't make it into the final game.
>>319382462
cut content =/= removed climax
Imagine is MGS1 ended as you were collecting all the keycards. It would be a shit game.
This is what happened.
>>319382257
I think its pretty safe to judge a game on what you have.
Kotor 2 had a shitload of cut content, and it was still the better of the two.
>reminder that Geoff is the ally kojima tweeted about in 2010
>kojima and geoff staged the VGA controversy
>kojima being absent WAS the event
>kojima is still the VP of digital entertainment
>everything since march has been a experimental long-con viral marketing ploy and it's working flawlessly
>konami has NEVER had more publicity than they do now
>if the ploy fails, and people continue to hate and vilify Konami, Kojima leaves the industry
>if it succeeds, and konami is vindicated, MGS6 and Silent Hills will rake in money hand over fist and both Kojima and Konami will go down in history.
>>319382691
MGS2 had a lot of cut bosses. It even had censored content because of 9/11. MGS4 had its original ending replaced because the people working on the game didn't want Snake to die.
>>319383108
MGS2's ending was a little rough, but was still an ending. MGS4's ending was replaced. TPP's ending was not replaced. It was removed entirely. It /has no ending./
>>319383351
>it has no ending
nigger you wat
>>319383351
The ending is Quiet goes missing, you go rescue her, she leaves, and not-Boss continues being a decoy for Big Boss with Kaz while the real Big Boss is doing things leading up to MG1.
What is the supposed ending that was cut? Liquid having Sahelanthropus is definitely a loose thread but not getting Sahelanthropus back doesn't mean the game has no ending.
Hell, MGS2 ends with you in the middle of New York being philosophized at and doesn't tell anyone what happens to any of the characters but you still say that's an ending.
Here's the leaked MGS 5 TPP ending.
>>319382691
The climax of the game was when you killed Skull Face. All the chapter 2 stuff was epilogues for remaining characters
>>319383682
People think Kingdom of the Flies is the game's true ending, what it really is though is just a fourth opportunity to roll the credits.
The game already has three endings.
>>319383969
You like posting this as well eh?
>tfw you cant listen to Sins of the Father because it reminds you this game was supposed to be good
>>319384172
It's the only answer to these threads. We need to move on as fans. If you need further closure, work towards the disarmament thing, but know that this is it.
>>319383956
>when you killed Skull Face
You mean when he got crushed by not-you and then shot in the face by not-you?
>>319383682
People WILL ignore this post because it makes sense.
Remember /v/ when SJWs or whoever calling gamers entitled they're talking about the people who call MGSV unfinished
>>319384278
What are you talking about. I shot him in the face with his shot gunthough I guess Huey finished the job
>>319384270
Yeah. It still sucks though, but accepting it makes the phantom pain hurt less.
Haven't looked at my copy for a month now. Only my autistic nature of wanting to keep a copy of each game has kept me from selling it. Well that and GS fucking over customers.
>>319384373
MGS2 is given allowance because its a better game in general
>tfw you lived a lie and tried to be a hero all just to get shot in the face with four rockets
Venom Snake is the true tragic hero of the MG series.
>>319384529
mgs2 is the best metal gear but people are eternally butthurt because they don't get to play as snake
>>319384468
All I remember is shooting his limbs off and leaving a stump behind to bleed to death, before Huey ruined the scene.
>>319379491
You fucking nigger i was just thinking
>"there wont be any MGSV threads after the blunder of VGx"
And first thing i see is this.
Fuck you to hell op
Get over it already. I gave up after VGx , we never gonna get dick because konami and kojima ruined everything.
>>319384521
Here's an article I share with fans who also feel this, it helps make the whole game a little better.
https://vs642.wordpress.com/2015/09/22/critical-analysis-of-metal-gear-solid-v-the-boldfaced-lie/
A FAR better analysis of the game comapred to the "Venom Snake as player avatar" one everyone keeps talking about. Also...
>You feel it too, don't you?
It's a fun game if you take it for just random missions.
Also why did they put a giant penis on the back of the sneaking suit?
We'll never get to see these two together.
All we got was a few tapes and one moment at the end.
Thanks Kojima.
Worse still, we'll never see them in the patriots together when they were young, more interesting, and working side by side.
>>319384853
Spine and scapula cushions.
What I'm more confused about is the tail.
>>319384529
MGS2 is great but giving that game a free pass because you happen to subjectively like it better is some straight up nostalgia tripping
>>319383682
>>319384057
'Truth' was the intended ending but i highly doubt they originally planned on having you replay the entire prologue with only two variations. plus the way it just suddenly comes up out of nowhere with no real fanfare or anything just feels completely half-assed.
there was also a whole section of Afghanistan cut. some of the soldiers mention it. it's the whole reason we have that retarded jeep ride, the area behind the power plant with the cave Sahelanthropus resides never made it to the final game. it was originally supposed to link the power plant and OKB Zero.
there was enough cobbled together to make an A-Z but a there was a lot trimmed out to make it playable.
>>319384991
I thought that was fan art for Sanitarium before realizing it was EVA. Fuck.
MGSV is far better than MGS4 in every way
>>319385039
>has a tail
>horn
>red hand
>breathes smoke
He's becoming a demon anon.
>>319384195
Is the game honestly not good?
>>319385236
That Jeep ride goes through an open area you can go to. What are you talking about?
>>319385443
Its great
>>319385463
l2read
>>319385245
>EVA
>>319379491
>You're all diamonds
What did he mean by this?
>>319384852
tl;dr "lel 2deep4u"
all of the shit he talks about isn't even expressed, he's just grasping at straws and trying to make a half baked story seem deeper than it really is
>>319385841
>he's just grasping at straws and trying to make a half baked story seem deeper than it really is
Welcome to MGS
>>319385697
Venom wants you to plant your roots in him, will you do it?
>>319385841
Dude, the end of the game literally says "There are no facts, only interpretations." Pretty much everything is up in the air as long as you provide a clear argument.
>>319385342
>In every way
Nah, MGS4 actually has boss fights
I'm probably never gonna play these games. Why does venom have a horn growing out of his head?
>>319385582
I don't understand where you reason the whole Jeep ride to cover cut content.
>>319386067
It's shrapnel that he perceives as a horn as he becomes more of a shitty person.
>>319386083
Not him but is English your first language? There was supposed to be an entire section of the game that you go through before reaching notMetal Gear that was cut and replaced with that dumb ass expeditionary jeep ride
>>319386032
I'll give you that it had two, maybe three good biss fights but the rest were the worst in the series. Salhalanthropus is the best metal gear fight in the series but no one ever brings that up.
>>319386157
I understand the symbolic part, I just didn't know what actually put that chunk of material there. Thanks.
>A piece of shrapnel hits you directly in the skull
>Leave it there instead of having it removed
It's probably made of lead or some shit
>>319386279
>Salhalanthropus is the best metal gear fight in the series but no one ever brings that up.
You're so full of shit the Great Mighty Poo is jealous
>>319385443
It's good, but it will never be great.
>>319386279
Nigga what? Rex vs Ray is the best Metal Gear fight, followed by the Shagohad then MAYBE Sally.
Can we at least agree MGS2 had the worst Metal Gear fight though
>like it was intended
Hah, no.
>>319386256
English is my first Language, this is just the first I'm hearing it? Were we suppose to sneak deeper into the mountains or all the way back towards the plant?
The jeep ride works in theory, its execution is just weird and jarring as hell.
>>319386294
it's a bit of helicopter I think, and they can't remove it because the wound might hemorrhage.
>>319385972
This is true of everything.
>>319386053
It's Ocelot ya numbnut.
How to fix TPP
>No Motherbase building
>No FOB
>No episode 2, just make episode 1 longer and write an actual story for it
>Fix Africa so it won't be just a vast land filled with nothing
>If you're setting the game around Venom being a "demon", make him do "demon" things and not run around to save everyone
>>319386492
Damn, that Ocelot butt fooled me.
>>319386560
How about just cut Africa and have Muahadeen vs Soviets shit in Afghanistan with you operating between them
>mfw MGSV turns into Resident Evil halfway through
>>319386339
Nigga I meant what I said though another poster brought up Shagohod which is great too. All the other fights aren't that great.
>>319386439
I forgot about the Shagohod which is great i agree, but its tied for first since I prefer the chase sequence to the actual fight, which involves running around its back to hit a weak point.
And I hate the Rex Ray fight. Its a neat little set piece that doesn't make sense in the logic of the game that comes and goes in an instant.
Escaping Shadow Moses in Rex is great though if repetitive
>>319386471
y'know except when the creator of something gives a clear message and does not say "this is open to interpretation"
>>319386560
Who said the game was about Venom being a demon?
>>319386560
Motherbase building is fine, there should have been more to do on the base. And FOB is an interesting concept that doesn't work.
Everything else you said is stupid though. And the demon stuff is a player mechanic to tap into
>>319381984
>think Oh shit he took Sahelanthropus
>Gonna chase after him
>This gon b gud
>tfw it doesn't happen and the game just ends
It just felt so empty
>>319384852
I've read up until the point where he talks about how Kaz hints to Medic Boss that they can kill the kids for money.
I got instructions/orders NOT to kill the children by Kaz.
Did the guy who wrote that get a different copy of the game than I did or play it on PC with a mod to kill the kids?
>>319383108
Snake is still dead, just offscreen
>>319386875
Because it is
>>319387195
Him and Otacon were supposed to be executed for treason in the original ending.
It was intended for every character to have an ending.
Skullface and Kaz had their ending.
Huey got his ending.
Quiet had her ending.
Liquid didn't get his ending.
So we have Ocelot who doesn't have plot and Venom who probably should have had more to his plot twist reveal in Chapter 2 along with Eli ending. I don't think that Chapter 3 had anything in itMaybe it's a part of Phantom Pain theme, because chapter is called "Peace", but we never get it in MGS universe
>>319385443
It's fucking amazing about early-mid, but then gets really samey, and seems to be leading up to some satisfying ending that just never comes.
>>319387291
Thats not cut content, thats a change in script before the game even reached full production
Execution ending is stupid as fuck anyway and would''ve confused the story even more. The better ending would've been cutting to credits after Snake pulled the trigger, but either way what we got was functional
I remember some guy early in the year was shitting up Witcher 3 threads saying that TW3 had no reason being open world and that MGSV was the only game where open world was a 'perfect fit' or some shit and that every feature (like collecting tapes lol) made it a better open world game than TW3.
Wonder where that guy is now
>>319387084
>bingo, you know what to do. (mission objective was a hired hit.)
>They can't go home, they've only got two options. Heaven or Hell.
I think the author is referring to how weird Kaz's dialogue is during that scene. He only gives orders to not kill the kids after "Boss" opens fire.
>>319387210
How? Were you expecting him to randomly gun down kids or something?
Maybe they meant it not in a literal "I'm just gonna kill everything now because im so evil" way, and that his actions created a surge of PF's and after Peace Walker the world viewed him as being a demon.
>>319387441
It was never intended to be like an open world rpg or the like, i'm not sure why it's constantly compared to that. It's just an open area to give you multiple angles to tackle missions rather than having very linear courses you can take. Did anyone really want collectibles and other nonsense in the map?
>>319387370
You could argue that Eli's ending is a foregone conclusion. The Salhalanthropus leaving with them could also be hand waved as something Cilher picks back up again after the fact.
The real issue with it is the Vocal cord parasite WE KNOW Eli leaves with. Thats the actual problem
>>319387725
He could've easily did GZ style maps for the same effect with better direction.
>>319387458
How about the first mission in Africa? Don't remember Kaz mentioning them to be killed. Now that I think about it I don't remember if he tells you no to do it as well.
>>319383087
Fuck off with this gaymagate conspiracy tier horseshit cunt
>>319379491
You already dd kek
>>319383087
This is Tinfoil hat tier theories. It makes no sense for any company to take such a gigantic risk that could bankrupt them and tarnish their image forever if it fails.
Not to mention how many people could be involved in this? How could they all stay quiet? What's the end game? Say "JK" and announce MGS6? Yeah that will go well.
>>319387925
Those kids were an optional encounter, and in the 20th mission kids were the targets.
>>319387893
Could have, that probably wouldve been better. Cut out all the inbetween area and just make 20-30 bases/forts/airports/whatever that you do missions in. I think what we got wasn't bad, but a few tweaks could've made it great. Something like more randomization of guards and routes in missions, and make time less important.
>>319384852
Nice article
>>319380205
Psst.
Hey. Hey buddy.the rehashed missions are completely optional
>>319383682
>doesn't tell anyone what happens to any of the characters but you still say that's an ending.
Because that's not the point it's been 14 fucking years are you kidding me.
>>319388413
>Not him, but thanks for telling. Doing Code Talker on Extreme was pissing me off, glad I don't have to actually do it. I was pissed too when I thought the game was forcing me to play missions over just to advance
>spend 5-15 minutes infiltrating a base
>spend 20 minutes traversing empty land getting to the next one
Thus is mgsv
>>319385039
its what he hooks on to the helicopter when he gets in, in case he falls out
>"oh, I want to do this side op next
>set marker
>4000m away
Thanks Kojima
>>319388738
>Not going in the helicopter after every completed mission
You people bring this on yourselves, I only travel my land when I have to or wand better drop zones in an area
>>319388702
If you don't mind the A rank you can just stealth camo the bitch. If you do ride D-Walker all the way through to victory
>>319389124
>D Walker
>Sniper mission
How. Also I should say, I've never used the D Walker. Got a lotta upgrades for it though
>>319389525
Drive right through, its that easy and if you want to know the route survey the area before hand.
You can also take out the snipers with a high leveled sniper rifle and decoys and your binoculars. They go down fairly easy
>>319389525
>Code Talker
>sniper mission
What?
Also, D-Walker is really great at killing Skulls. I don't really use it for anything else, though. Too damn expensive.
>>319384852
Well that was an interesting read.
>>319388348
You're talking about mission 18.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2ymA-0z2C0
Kaz doesn't tell outright to kill them and even accepts Medic Boss's third option of Outer Heaven.
After the shooting he makes a exasperated sigh and says mission accomplished. After that he even tells you to not let the children get harmed, no matter what.
Good article though. Almost done reading it.
>>319389813
So what, the sniper bullets just bounce off or something? I imagine I'll be dead long before I reach them since Extreme
>>319389863
The one mission where you fight the other Quiets
>>319387083
One might say that you're feeling aphantom pain.
>>319390329
good meme reddit
>>319384991
I thought that was ocelot for a second
>every player feels the phantom pain
Bravo Koji- low budget for engine and a game?
>>319389863
The mission where you extract Code Talker from the Mansion
>>319390270
Just drive through, may take a try ir twi to get ut right but once you hit the trees you're fine. Throw a decoy in the opposite direction if it worries you.
Thats how I did it anyway and I 100% the game
>>319385236
[Citation Needed]
>>319387458
They were doing a staged audio recording for the client as proof of the kills.
I bought the game pretty close to release, but only finished it the other day because I'd been so disillusioned with it.
It really sucks that the final two missions, one of which is just walking through hallways shooting sort of zombies and playing the tutorial AGAIN but with slight differences shat all over every other mission in the game, purely because they had real cutscenes and actually made you feel something that wasn't "Oh snap gotta extract that target".
I later read that apparently the three different Skull units were meant to be boss fights? What a copout. They were optional minibosses at best.
>>319391878
That "hallway shooting zombies" is the best moment in the entire game thematically
>>319386560
Step 1
>make fucking Metal Gear instead of Portable Ops HD edition
>>319392419
I know right? And in any other game I'd have shit all over a mission like that. I just welcomed it at that point, it was so fresh when I'd been doing the same shit over and over every other mission.
I mean they could have at least added more interesting locations to the game, only the mansion, the airfield and the mountain fortress really stood out to me.
>tfw you would buy more cosmetic DLC and mission DLC if Konami put it out
I'm too weak /v/ ;_;
>>319393109
Yeah, I can see /v/ shelling out cash for the cut content.
>>319392582
I liked the diamond mines and the Lab in the Voices mission.
I honestly liked the game quite a bit, fultoning and building my base was weirdly relaxing.
>>319393957
I might have liked the diamond mines mission if it wasn't a fucking escort mission. It was memorable though, I'll give you that.
I didn't like fultoning because by the end when surveying bases you'd find heaps of soldiers worth fultoning, so it felt wasteful and annoying to not tranq and fulton them so I felt boxed in by a certain playstyle.
Don't understand why you'd like building your base though considering it's just selecting to upgrade stuff from a menu.
>>319394151
Can't explain why. I liked it in PW too. Something about building my base appeals to me. I would drive around and listen to the tapes while looking for diamonds to develop more items and soldiers to fulton. Was nice.
The game has a very chill vibe for me.
>>319388286
>Yeah that will go well
Yes, it would. Everyone would buy it and be super happy and excited about it. Even moreso because of the buildup of this manufactured controversy. If kojima turned out to still be VP of digital entertainment, Konami actually never did nuthin, AND he had two more fantastic AAA games in the works, people would buy the everloving shit out of them and it would be the best and most unique PR konami could ever ask for.
It's not even that far fetched.
>>319386560
I'd have done it in three parts. First part, 1964-1970, Big Boss wanders around war zones, gaining reputation and followers. During this time he witnesses how soldiers are treated by their governments and decides to start MSF to give them a better alternative. The gameplay would be similar to Ground Zeroes (each mission is a fairly big map with several ways of accomplishing objectives) and with MSF acting as mission support, able to recon, deliver equipment and backup.
After MSF becomes notorious, various countries send their black ops forces against Snake's army. One of the attackers is the FOX unit. Snake tracks down Zero and demands explanation. Zero then reveals he was pressured by the US government to eliminate MSF but BB could save himself and his group by rejoining FOX. Snake reluctantly agrees, knowing that MSF will be destroyed eventually if it remains merely an army without a country. However this decision fractures MSF, with some of its members leaving, which deeply hurts Big Boss. He briefly meets Para-Medic and Sigint. The first part of the game culminates in Big Boss using the combined forces of FOX and MSF to carry out a rescue mission. The target is EVA. While the mission succeeds, Snake is gravely injured and falls into coma. Zero, fearing for Big Boss' legacy, orders the Les Enfants Terribles Project. EVA voulenteers to carry one of the fetuses, the one who would be born as Solid Snake.
>>319396491
Part two, 1970-1995.
Snake discovers the LET and confronts Zero. Snake leaves FOX, feeling betrayed. For years he lives in South America, drinking himself to death until one day he is confronted by men wearing FOX insignia - and they are led by Ocelot. Snake barely defeats Ocelot and they share a drink. Ocelot invites Snake back to FOX. He explains that Zero and the others have gained great influence within the US government but they lack a trustworthy military outfit. The goal of the Patriots is to to accomplish The Boss' will, to create a world without borders, using The United States as proxy. Snake sees this as an opportunity to develop his own version of her will, a nation of soldiers. He agrees but refuses to meet Zero eye-to-eye, believing that the bad blood between them cannot be overcome. Instead, he uses Ocelot as a mediator, a role he is only too happy to do.
Back in FOX, Snake witnesses the moral degradation of Para-Medic and Sigint, as well as Zero's increasing paranoia and isolation. EVA tiries to become Snake's lover but he is still hurt over her bereyal during Operation Snake Eater. WIth Ocelot being his only trustworthy ally, they develop a deep and profound friendship. Big Boss' objective is to help The Patriots to extend its power all over the world, namely with covert ops. Meanwhile, he embezzles funds from The Philosopher's Legacy to build Outer Heaven, his manifestation of The Boss' will.
>>319397574
The gameplay remains the same as in part one but with added strategy mini game where Big Boss dispatches FOX operatives to additional ops. During this long time period, he meets and recruits Gray Fox and Naomi, Vulcan Raven, Sniper Wolf, Miller and Campbell. From time to time he secretly leaves for Africa to oversee the development of Outer Heaven. He also spends some time training his clones - Solid, Liquid and Solidus. During the collapse of the Soviet Union (not canon in the MGS universe but whatever), Ocelot and Big Boss retrieve Granin's plans for bipedal nuclear tank.
Once the player has completed the strategy mini-game (and The Patriots having near-total control of the world, he kidnaps Dr Pettrovich and has him work on the ultimate weapon, Metal Gear.
>>319396491
>>319397574
>>319397696
TL;DR who the fuck cares
>>319397696
Part three, 1995.
Basically, a remake of the original Metal Gear. Solid Snake infiltrates Outer Heaven, some parts of which the player will remember from Big Boss' section of the game. Snake fights men once recruited and trained by Big Boss and ultimately faces his father.
In the post-credits scene, a crippled Big Boss and Ocelot arrive in Tselinoyarsk, where the construction of Zanzibar Land is underway. The two reminesce about Operation Snake Eater and wonder wheater this is what The Boss meant with her will.
>>319397735
Up yours nigger, I'm exorcising my phantom pain.
