So 1 > 2 > 4 > Tactics > New Vegas > 3.
Can we all agree?
I don't even care that 4 is now a Borderlands clone with trace elements of RPG, at least it plays good unlike 3 and NV.
>>319299287
>my first b8
>>319299486
I'm serious though.
>>319299287
2>1>Tactics=Vegas>3=4
You uncultured negro.
>>319299287
4>3>NV>2>1
That is if you only compare the vanilla game without any DLC`s or Mods.
4>anything
Maybe 3, but that's it
>>319299705
Forgot my meme arrow
>>319299287
2>1>tactics>New vegas>Brotherhood of steel 1>brotherhood of steel 2>Fallout 3>Fallout 4
I don't know who's trolling who anymore.
![elLKw[2].gif](https://i.imgur.com/FAQLss8.gif "elLKw[2].gif")
2>New Vegas>1>Tactics>4>>>>>>>>>>shit>>>>>>>3
>>319299824
This.
NV>2=1>Tactics>4>3
Everyone else is wrong, hasn't played any of the games or is just trolling.
>>319299824
>>319299921
One of these is correct.
wait do people actually like FO Tactics now?
Some shit taste itt.
2>New Vegas>1>4>3
Never played Tactics.
Bethesda Fallout games are fucking trash and the undisputed worst in the series.
2 > NV > 1 > Tactics > 3 > BoS > 4
Anything else is wrong
>>319299921
this
>all those NV babies
>muh story
>gameplay is not important
>muh mods
>it doesn't crash all the time, i swear!
Face it, as a game it's total trash, just as 3 was. The quests and story are better, but hardly save it from mediocrity.
1>2>NV>Tactics>4>3
As someone who loves using shotguns 4 doesn't have satisfying shotgun gunplay like NV and 3, blasting niggers away with my hunting shotgun in NV felt better than anything in 4.
SHUT THE FUCK UP.
NOne of you newfaggot fucking babbies have even played 1 or 2 or even knew what it was before /v/. Stop trying to fit in, we won't accept you and we never will. We're not your fucking sad excuse to escape the reality of which is your shit life. So why do you insist on shitposting about a game that is older than you are? If you seriously have to try this hard to get attention as to go as far as to pretend to be some autistic fucking hipster faggot in the current year then kill yourself.
1 and 2 are extremely shit and weren't even popular on release. Stop shit posting you faggots and get to school.
>>319300274
>NV
>satisfying
>gunplay
>in the same sentence
You're delusional. Or maybe you just never played an FPS before.
>>319300325
>we won't accept
your fat belly is showing
I'd say,
2 > New Vegas > 1 > Tactics > 4 > 3
>>319300325
So what if I did anon?
I've beaten Fallout 1 for the first time in 1999. Fallout 2 a year later.
>>319300274
I agree. I used the fuck out the combat shotgun throughout most of 3 but in 4 it felt virtually useless even fully modded out.
5>7>Chronicles>2>NV>2:Electric Bogaloo>1>Remake>Revelations>Tactics>3,1416>4>>>>>>>>>>Revengance
>>319300325
What difference does it make if people discovered 1 & 2 through /v/? Tons of people end up playing them because of the discussion those games still get. 2 especially still holds up well. You just sound like an assmad Bethdrone because people that discovered and became fans of the older games are rightfully shitting on your oh so precious F4.
New Vegas > 4 > 3
>>319299287
New Vegas > 2 > 4 > 1 > Tactics > BoS > 3
This is the correct opinion.
>>319300725
I just didn't really enjoy NV.
It had some brilliant moments and great quest design, but from a gameplay standpoint it's just bad.
The constant crashes didn't help either.
>>319300325
29 and played both on release
stop being jealous that you were born too late and too retarded to enjoy 2 of the the best games of all time when they were first released before flashy graphics and easy games ruined your ability to appreciate qualityi knew what this was and i bit anyway. fuck you, weak bait 3/10
>>319300821
>constant crashes
Had like 1 crash out of 400 hours of gameplay
>>319300263
>Using crashing as an argument when that is entirely your own fault for playing on a toaster
>implying the difference in gameplay is enough to ignore that no motivation exists for anything in Fallout 4, everything continues to be worthless, and questing and dialogue is absolute shit.
Fallout 4 does have good gameplay, when that wears off, you're left with absolutely nothing else because everything else is horrid.
2 > 1 > NV > F4 > F3 > Tactics
Clear as fucking day. Are you people retarded? NV's writing is its saving grace and it's still worse than 1 or 2's.
Fucking 3d babbies.
>>319301034
Pirated Ultimate Edition here - usually about 2 per hour, sometimes it crashes 3 times in a row when loading a save.
>>319301214
>>319301034
>>319300821
250 here. Never had a single problem with NV.
>>319301214
Legit user with:
>YUP bug patch
>4gb patch
>stutter remover
>new vegas anti crash
>script extender
>>319301194
>Using crashing as an argument when that is entirely your own fault for playing on a toaster
It's not like the game is famous for being an unstable piece of shit.
Must be a toaster hurr.
>>319300725
the correct opinion is
NV=1>2=Tactics>4>3
anything else is wrong
1 > 2 > NV > 4 >>>>>>>>> 3
>>319301364
So to make the game stable I have to get 5 different mods and sacrifice an infant to Sawyer before every play session?
This is some Grade A delusion right there.
>>319301371
>It's not like the game is famous for being an unstable piece of shit.
I'll put forth the claim that the game is famous for not being an unstable piece of shit. I have just as much evidence to make such a claimnone
>>319300361
You never played NV fuck off
>>319299998
They're running out of Fallout games to put ahead of 4.
I just hope their nails don't hurt from scraping the bottom of the barrel too much.
>>319301472
Welcome to the world of Bethesda and Gamebryo. You'd think that's bad try fucking Oblivion.
>>319301546
>disagree with anon
>y-you never played it!
>i-it's perfect, my precious!
Beaten it 2 months ago.
>>319301472
Now you're working with gamebryo.
>>319301621
Then you'd know how satisfying shotguns are in NV
Fuck off retard
>>319301546
Dude, FO4's gunplay blows NV's out of the water and FO4's gunplay isn't even that good. Play an actual FPS game man.
4>1-NV
>inb4 bait
Nope, I just don't like playing outdated garbage
Does it actually play good though?
Because from what I've seen from videos it looks pretty much the same old "run backwards while shooting: the game"
>>319301614
Nah, that's not true. Sure, Bethesda games are famous for being crash prone, but they usually at least fix it over time.
Neither Morrowind, Oblivion or Skyrim ever crashed so much as NV for me.
>>319301680
The topic was clearly shotguns, where F4 is p shit compared to NV which lets you have multiple shell types, no gay ass mag design, and actual perks designed around shotguns to make them special to other guns
Now fuck off fag
>>319301694
Then how is 4 your favorite? It's barely a passable FPS. And that's all it is.
>>319301694
>bethesda fallout
>>319301669
Not even that guy, but it sounds to me like you couldn't tell what satisfying gunplay is if it raped you in the ass.
>>319301565
>>319299998
tactics is to 1 & 2 what FO4 is to NV
superior gameplay, rubbish everything else. but in tactics case, the gameplay is orders of magnitiude better
FO3 is just dirt
>>319301721
That's courtesy of dumb Bethesda AI and the overabundance of melee enemies.
But yes, compared to 3 and NV it's miles ahead as far as shooting and movement goes.
I used to spam VATS all the time in those two, just to avoid the horrible gunplay, but in F4 I rarely ever use it, mostly on stupid enemies that jerk around too much like Bloatflies.
>>319301883
b8/10
>finally decide to build shit at settlements
>spend 1 hour polishing a turd settlement
>eletricity, water, food, even antenna and 1 extra settler arrives
>decorate and build a shop
>decide to try out traps, never used them
>place a flamethrower and connect it to the power
>it kills me in 2 seconds (level 40 btw)
>game is loading for over 10 seconds
>I'm literally in the middle of nowhere and everything I did was removed
people seriously think fo4 isnt the worst fallout game ever released?
why do i have to share this planet with you people
>>319301721
It doesn't play good. If you want to play a shooter go play some of the other numerous polished FPS games on the market at the moment.
Gore and ragdoll is pretty funny every now and then, worth playing if that's what you're into. Surely mods will only make this better.
>>319301869
>The topic was clearly shotguns
No, it really wasn't. It was the gunplay in general. Stop being a retard.
>>319302034
It's certainly better than Fallout 3 in virtually every way, even if sometimes for the wrong reasons.
And compared to NV it's worse in it's writing, story and RPG elements, but miles ahead in gameplay and world design.
>>319302165
>As someone who loves using shotguns 4 doesn't have satisfying shotgun gunplay like NV and 3, blasting niggers away with my hunting shotgun in NV felt better than anything in 4.
die
>>319299824
That's a good rating there.
>>319301694
>doesnt like outdated garbage
>FEAR came out about a million years ago and has superior gunplay in every single aspect
>Deus Ex Human Revolution is a better looking game with more choice and more approaches to combat / threat resolution. also better gunplay. Deus Ex is a better shooter and RPG
>Alpha Protocol has an infinitely better story, writing, story telling, characters, character development, combat, RPG mechanics
>has a smaller and less well developed world than many previous open world RPGs, including New Vegas and Morrowind somehow, despite being developed/published by the same people
wow yeah, its a fucking revolution, never before seen levels of stagnation
>>319299287
NV>1>2>Tactic>3>4>BoS
I just started NV for the first time since 3 refuses to stop crashing on win 10.
I'm only 2 hours in and think it's a better game than FO4
>>319302238
>moving goalposts
You're still mentally retarded if you find the gunplay in any 3d fallout game satisfying. You're 100% confirmed to not have played an actual good shooter. You probably just played TF2 a bit when it went f2p.
NW>F4>F3>F2>F1>tactics
Take of your nostalgia googles. F1,2,tactics had broken skills half of whom were useless and much less content overall. Good RPGs for their time, but way too aged.
NW wins over F4 because Bethesda cut way too many corners for the game to be carried by improved gunplay and crafting. My opinion may change once mods come out, but I doubt that
1 = 2 = NV > 4 > 3
Fact.
>>319302469
Nice damage control partner, maybe next time you try to argue you should actually learn to read :^)
>>319302506
>new wegas
>>319302605
Next time you try to argue about gunplay you should play an actual shooter before dickriding bethesda's pseudo fps shit.
>>319302407
You could play F3 using this
https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/faq
Fallout 3 runs like shit on newer OS
>>319302506
>nostalgia goggles
That's not the case anon. I actually do find 1 & 2 to be better games.
Much less content there may be, but it's also of a much higher quality. And since the games didn't have to conform to the open world meme they don't have nearly as many filler.
Virtually every location is interesting, has it's own unique character, quests, backstory, etc.
As far as broken skills - sure, but it's not like some perks and skills in 3, NV and 4 aren't useless too.
And what is wrong with 3 that warrants this hatred? It's better than 4, don't tell me you sperglords think because they changed the BoS from Fallout 1/2 that you think it deserves a 0/10
>>319302681
Cry harder bro :^)
>>319299513
Nope this is definitely bait.
>>319302704
thanks. another anon suggested this in the last thread, but I still haven't tried it.
after i beat NV I'll give it a download. having too much fun pretending to be a western gunslinger.
>>319301870
>>319301879
>>319302367
Those games feel old, fallout 4 doesn't
I can't play games that feel old
Fallout 4 is just deeply unsatisfying. The main quest hub, Diamond City, is a sparsely populated shanty town with very few side quests. Character roleplaying was gutted with the removal of skills, traits, dialogue skill checks, world skill checks, and the "Skyrimization" of perks into flat percentage increases. Side quests have even less variety than Skyrim's side quests and 90% of the time will boil down to "Go to X building. Kill synths/ferals/raiders/super mutants." One of the most championed of Fallout 4's quests, the USS Constitution, is the "Come Fly With Me" quest from New Vegas only with less variation.
There are some interesting characters like Nick Valentine but none as compelling as, say, Caesar or House or Yes Man. Gameplay is better, sure, but I want more RPG and less FPS.
>>319302794
>being this underage b&
>>319302842
Explain why.
Granted, I'm only some 20 hours into 4, so my opinion might yet change. But what's in the OP is how I see it now.
Beaten both NV and 3 once, Tactics twice, F2 like 4 times and F1 6 times.
>>319302770
[Intelligence] So you fight the good fight, here on Galaxy News Radio
Why the fuck is everyone rating Tactics so highly
Is this a new meme
>>319303018
No, it's a good game. It's not an RPG though.
>>319300271
words
>>319303018
Because it's not completely terrible, even if it's not an RPG or good Fallout game. Certainly better than Fallout 3, at the least.
>>319302025
>I don't save periodically
I can understand your woes, but seriously, press F5 every once in a while.
>>319303085
It was basically an Isometric Proto-Bethesda game
>Story is bland and forgettable, focus is on mediocre gameplay
>The entire Midwest BOS are shitty Mary Sues that make Fallout 3 look not that bad
>>319303292
Pretty poor bait, anon.
>>319303423
It's true though, those games are mouldy garbage now
>>319303376
It's a turn based tactics game though, story is rather irrelevant past the point of providing some context.
Not that I expect resident autists to understand the concept.
>>319303298
this
I press f5 anytime I enter a new zone, or collect something I really like. the hell would this guy build an entire settlement, without pressing f5?
>>319300414
Switch tactics and 4 and I'm on board
>>319303552
>doesn't have shiny graphics
>mouldy garbage
This is why we can't have nice things anymore.
I beat 1 last week and am almost done with 2. 3 Was my first. The old games have a much more established universe and atmosphere. The gameplay may be worse but nothing you do in 3 or 4 meant anything to me, It was just a mindless slog. It's sad how far 4 has drifted from the feel of 1 and 2. It doesn't feel like fallout, it feels like a parody of it.
>>319302025
Pretty sure the game is set to auto save every 10 minutes by default
I'll be the first one here to admit I didn't play Fallout 1 or 2, but I liked 3 and NV and so far I'm really liking 4 overall. 3 had better exploration and atmosphere than NV, but NV had more polish and much more freedom and factions.
4 is glitchy as fuck (as were the other 3D Fallouts), but when its not giving me a game breaking glitch I'm having a lot of fun.
>>319303648
Yeah. Video games age just like anything
You have to force yourself to play those old games
>>319303218
Clever. But I don't get what's going on with 3 there.
FO2>FO1>>Tactics>>>>>NV>FO3>>>FO4>>BoS
Special mention to Fallout Online.
>>319299287
Survival is a joke.
1>2>3>tactics>newvegas>4
Is tactics actually good or what? I have it on my GOG account after they gave away it and 1/2 but never played it.
>>319302770
FO3 gets too much hate on /v/. They've been completely brainwashed to believe it's the worst Fallout game, for whatever fucking reason. Beyond their complaints FO3 still stands as a fun, good game.
>>319301669
>Then you'd know how satisfying shotguns are in NV
what mod you use senpai?
vanilla shotguns are only good from mid to late game with investment. but 9mm still outrank them early for dat sweet sneak crits.
on hard and above they are shit through and through.
>>319303815
Me neither, actually.
NV >>>>> 3 >>>>> 4
>>319299287
Fallout 4 is absolute shit.
>>319304112
I haven't finished 4 yet, but its not really that bad? It feels a lot like 3 and the map seems smaller than other fallouts, but its still fun?
>>319299287
2>4>New Vegas>1>3
I haven't played tactics or BoS
>>319304209
>asking a guy rate 4 at the bottom if "it's still fun"
ayy lmao.
>>319304289
I'm asking him why he doesn't like it.
>>319304209
Well, on /v/ it's a controversial argument, but: 4 might be a good game, but not a good Fallout game. It makes very poor use of the potential of the franchise.
>>319304042
Tactics is fine if you enjoyed F1/2 gameplay.
It's pretty much a polished and expanded version of the combat.
Just don't expect it to be an rpg, since it's not.
It's more like Jagged Alliance light.
NV (w/ mods and expansions) >2 = 1 > NV (w/o mods and expansions) > 4 >> 3
>>319300271
This desu
>>319304081
I use various weapon mods like millenia and classic fallout weapons, I've heard good things about http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/35681/?
>>319303864
3 makes him sick
>>319304209
I've replayed New Vegas over and over again and it's such a well put together game that I could replay it today and have a blast.
I had absolutely no desire to replay Fallout 4 after getting my BoS ending. All of the factions are garbage, there is an utter famine of enjoyable, interesting quests, and there's as much roleplaying as a Call of Duty game.
>>319304052
It's not the worst fallout game, that would be 4
Although it is an alright post apocalypse game
>>319304368
>shit writing
>shit gunplay
>shit rpg
>shit atmosphere
>shit performance
>shit engine
>shit business practice
enough for ya :^)
>>319303376
you forgot
>the combat was about a billion times better than 1 and 2 tho
>>319301565
Hello there Todd! How are you today?
>>319304541
Pretty much this senpai, I tried making a melee bitch after my BoS ending and I got bored about 2 hours in
>>319304603
>shit performance
AMD owner confirmed.
>>319300361
>Fallout 4
>satisfying
>gunplay
>in the same sentence
You're delusional or maybe you have never played a FPS before.
All you got to do is boot up Doom. A game frome 1993 has 50x more satisfying gun play than Fallout 4. Gun play is irrelevant in Fallout it's supposed to be about RPG mechanics you know like the first 2 were. The combat has always been sub-par to shit in Fallout games and nothing has changed in Fallout 4.
>>319304508
Project Nevada has a formidable array of weapons, too.
E.g.
>Wattz weapons
>Flamer Pistol
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoiEH8ar3jtxdGlzdnVDY3lGUEV5RWhNdXhzRHJBT0E#gid=3
I just finished putting 120 hours into Fallout 3 to play it to a satisfactory degree of completion.
I'm glad I never have to play that shit again.
>>319303632
Fallout 4 can't be that close to one
Fallout 2 > NV > Fallout 1 >>>>>>>> dog shit >>>> Fallout 4 > Tactics >>>>>> 3
>Not playing Tactics like X-Com
NV > 3 > 4. FO4 just got so boring, Ive only got like 40 hours but I have no desire to keep going.
>>319304385
What do you mean? Like the settlements and the weapon mods?
>>319304541
>BoS ending
How many endings are there? I assumed you ultimately had to side with either the Institute or the Railroad.
>>319305036
Fine. But including dogshit is a little much. Its enough to say 1, 2 and NV are far superior to the remaining games.
I think were on the same page though
Rate me fgts
Anyone who mentions Fallout 1 or 2 as better than 3, 4, or NV is a contrarian shitposter and should be ignored.
>>319299287
>le Troll! trololololololol! xD LE TROLLICUS MAXIMUS >;3
>>319299287
>neo-/v/
This is a quality b8 though. At least you put 3 behind Vegas and 1/2 at the start
>>319299287
2 > 1 > Tactics > 4 > 3 > dogshit > NV
>>319299287
>4 above anything
>FO1 and FO2 even being compared to the rest of the franchise in the first place
You forgot BoS you fuck.
>>319305673
Roleplaying. Actual choices. Numerous and well-made quests. Different ways of solving those quests; non-violent, guns blazing, "No, fuck off", "Fine, but you better pay me". Killing quest-critical characters, thus permanently failing their quests. Consistency (which is different from plausibility, mind).
Can you even do a KILL EVERYTHING lord of death run in Fallout 4?
>>319306185
I wish there was a special ending in NV for killing literally every NPC possible
>>319305870
Anyone who has a different opinion us a contrarian shitposter and should be ignored.
>>319306185
I'll give you the lack of nonviolent solutions to problems. They aren't nonexistent, but there's not as many opportunities as there should be.
I haven't really tested how many NPCs are essential/unkillable, but I've heard its high. I don't like that, but FO3 was the same way. At least you can kill Shaun the second you walk into the Institution.
>>319299287
But 1 and 2 are horrible
>>319306185
>Killing quest-critical characters, thus permanently failing their quests.
Forgot to address this. Yeah, it can be nerve racking when you kill someone and you instantly fail 5 quests you've never even heard of, but I'd rather have this than a ton of essential NPCs.
>>319306452
>Shoot Marcy Long in the face because she's an annoying cunt
>Can't die
>Now I'm chased out of my own neighborhood by a bunch of immortals
Remember when we thought 3 was the worst Beth could get in terms of role-playing and immersion in a Fallout game?
>Man, the next Bethout HAS to be better than this!
How innocent we were.
OP here, why is everyone so triggered by me liking 4 more than NV?
And for the record I actually do like the old games more than any of the newer entries - they had a much more developed world and backstory, were smaller which lead to the locations being more detailed and logical and I even liked the combat and it's sedate pace.
Tactics was a great spin-off, it's not an RPG and arguably it kinda rapes the lore (Beastmasters FTW), but it's a really enjoyable little Jagged Alliance clone.
As for New Vegas - the game sorely disappointed me. It may have to do with my general distaste of Western and gambling, but I really found it rather boring.
It had a nice story and some interesting quests, but the majority devolved into following a quest marker anyway.
>>319306680
The worst part is that Todd will go out of his way to keep essential characters essential, I'm pretty sure most mods for Skyrim won't work and you can't unflag them in the creation kit
>>319306680
>tfw she was the first NPC I tried to kill too
Why is she even essential?
>>319306185
I liked that, not only could you kill everyone in New Vegas, but the game actually rewarded you for doing so with buffs and perks.
1 > 2 > NV > eating jagged pieces of metal and broken glass > 3, 4, and BoS order doesn't even matter
>>319299287
2 > 1 > NV > 4 > 3
>>319307095
>the game actually rewarded you for it
I don't remember this. The only real reward you'd get other than favor with certain factions for killing certain characters was a bunch of failed quests.
>>319299287
No.
2>1>NV>4>3>Tactics>BOS
>anything else is wrong
>>319306185
There was always one best way to solve quests in NV. What's the point of choices if everyone will just play the optimal path anyway?
>>319299585
>>319299804
>>319302394
>>319303969
>>319306159
>rating tactics this high
Tactics is only considered semi-canon there is no way it should be rated this high.
>>319307660
>considered semi-canon there is no way it should be rated this high.
What does canon or non canon have to do with the games quality?
>>319307431
you cant have every skill high enough to do the "optimal" path every time
>>319307660
I'll consider it canon WAY more than whatever the fuck Obsidian shits out.
>>319307738
You mean other than the fact it couldn't hold true to a set of ideas that the rest of the series did?
>>319304659
> Implying you unironically liked Tactics before 4 came out
K.
>>319307932
It's a spin-off.
>>319307992
It didn't get it right.
2>1>NV>Tactics>4>3
>>319307310
Lord Death is a perk that increases your damage, with ranks being granted fro killing absurdly high amounts of enemies.
There are also a number of challenges for killing NPCs in particular ways, such as "A Slave Obeys" for killing house with Nephi's Golf Driver, "Sic Semper Tyrannis" for killing President Kimbal with a pistol, or "Against All Tyrants" for killing any 10 named Legion NPCs with a rifle.
Shelter>>Plies of shit that Todd eats from breakfast every day>>>>>>>>Elder Scrolls>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Fallout series
I think that about explains it well.
>>319299287
2 > 1 = Vegas > Tactics > 4 > 3
Subjectively the only correct answer
I don't know if it's nostalgia in rating Fallout 3 over Fallout 4 or what. At least with all of 3's problems you had some flexibility in how you played your character. 4 just locks you into playing "Good dad/mom looking for their kid" whereas in 3 you could play "Genocidal slaver looking for their dad"
>>319299287
4>3>1>2>New Vegas>Tactics
Objectively correct, any differing "opinion" is underage or delusional.
1 > 2 > Tactics > 3 > New Vegas > 4
>>319308509
>nostalgic over FO3
This is an 18+ board.
>>319308509
Fallout 4 has better worldbuilding than 3, still pretty bad but 3 was fucking atrocious, and personally I value world building in rpgs.
>>319299287
>babbys first bait
kill self
>>319309409
Underageb& please
>>319308539
objectively, you are a faggot, any differing "opinion" is underage, delusional or also a faggot.
>>319299287
Nah
2>New Vegas>Tactics>1>4>3
>>319299287
2>NV>1>shit>4>3
1>2=NV>4>3>BoS
Didn't play Tactics.
>>319308539
No one likes your game Todd, go away.
Wasteland>1>2>New Vegas>>>Tactics>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>shit>>>>puke>>>>>>>>>>>Fallout BoS>>>>>>>3>4
1 > NV with mods >= 2 > Tactics = 4 > 3
>>319299287
I honestly like Brotherhood Of Steel more than 3 and 4.
The story is just as horrible, but it was really only a reason to make another Snowblind engine games and everyone fucking loves Baldur's Gate/Champions of Norrath.
Only shame is the engine emulates like shit still.
Can anybody explain to me why people like Fallout 1? I tried getting into it a couple of weeks ago and it had a shitload of problems:
>Mediocre graphics (granted, the game is old)
>Terrible combat filled with shitloads of RNG for every single action
>Not a single interesting character in the entire time I played through it.
>Fetch quests right from the start
>Dialog choices regarding your playstyle were pretty lackluster in the long run
The atmosphere of the game was pretty good, but that's about it. Never saw anything else in the time I played that I liked.
New Vegas > 1 = 2 > 4 > Tactics >>> 3
Fallout 3 is the only legitimately bad game in the series. Anyone who claims otherwise is a moron. Brotherhood of Steel doesn't count.
New Vegas > 4 > 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1= 2
4's gameplay with NV's writers and attention to detail would be the best 3D Fallout could be with Gamebryo.
What's the point of playing 3 or 4 anyway?
They are subpar RPGs and FPSes. It's not a good choice if you want to play an RPG and it's not a good choice if you want to play FPS either.
Fallout 4 is especially the case, it's not even an RPG anymore but rather FarCry 3 tier FPS with skills and its "improved gameplay" is still fucking inferior to FPSes made 10+ years ago.
>>319310967
Is it even possible to put skills back in and change the perk system back from the Skyrim system?
>>319299585
This is correct (though I think 4>3 but they're both shit so who cares)
>>319299287
2>NV>1>4>3
>/v/ started liking New Vegas more because it was the contrarian option compared to 3
>Now everyone on /v/ pretends to like new vegas more and thus it is no longer contrarian
I vote we now switch our taste back to Fallout 3 being better, so as to maintain the illusion that we don't follow the crowd.
>>319299287
1=2=NV>Tactics>4>3>>>shit>>>BoS
>>319311617
>pretending on an anonymous Zimbabwean basket weaving website
Stop wasting our oxygen and just off yourself already
2=NV>1=Tactics>3>4
>>319310360
>Didn't play Tactics.
You aren't missing much. It's better than BoS, but not as good as 1 or 2.
>>319311015
4 is a fun game with decent writing which is what should matter, not some arbitrary genre standard.
>>319299287
4 > 3 > NV > whatever old shit
Prove me wrong
>>319311056
My guess is it would be, but I don't know why you'd want to. With a little cleaning up and more creativity the Fallout 4 system could be really SPECIAL. The old skill system is nice for the 2D Fallouts, but it creates a weird disconnect in the 3D Fallouts. I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I think Bethesda was on the right track with this change even if they were sloppy and uninspired with it's implementation.
>>319312131
>decent writing
>>319311617
>/v/ started liking New Vegas more because it was the contrarian option compared to 3
But /v/ has ALWAYS liked New Vegas. Are you so new that you don't remember the massive flood of New Vegas threads when it came out? It's honestly one of the few things the majority of us agree on.
...oh. Oh, wait! Is this bait? Are you baiting me? Ha ha! Goodness. For a moment there I just thought you were stupid.
2>New Vegas>4>1>3>tactics
prove me wrong
Everybody can agree that FO4 is the best of fallouts by far. Any other replies like 1 or 2 are just nostalgia faggots.
>>319312131
>decent writing
Uhuh.
FarCry 3/4 or CoD or whatever has a decent writing too then and it's miles better as an FPS.
>>319312492
>>319312131
>4 is a fun game with decent writing
Dude, you better get your ass back to Bizarro World before Superman finds out you're on the internet.
>comparing 1 and 2 to games hardly even in the same genre
This shit is just as bad as the gamefaqs best game ever tournament
>>319312309
The factions in FO4 actually make sense and are all viable options as opposed to the 100% evil roman LARPers in New vegas.
>>319299287
what the fuck is this
1 > NV > 2 > 3 > 4
Tactics is poor mans xcom and you can't compare it to the rest
>>319312652
I only need two words to prove you wrong.
The Railroad.
>>319312637
>implying Fallout:NV wasn't the perfect translation of Fallout 1&2 into 3D
>>319312743
Anyone who claims that 3 is better than 4 needs to go back and play 3. It's such a fucking travesty. I honestly can't even make it to Megaton without needing to shut it off anymore.
>Old Fallout
Rule #1: Multiple Decisions. Always allow for multiple solutions to any obstacle.
Rule #2: No Useless Skills. Each will have meaning in the game.
Rule #3: Dark humor is good. Slap-stick is not.
Rule #4: Let the player play how he wants to play.
Rule #5: Player actions have repercussions.
>New Fallout
You can customize your power armor!
[Hate Newspapers]
>>319312940
Hey! Customizing power armor is a cool feature. I wish the original games had it.
>>319312761
You're not providing any arguments. What things about that faction don't make sense?
>>319308539
>>319312761
You'd be better off saying "The Institute."
>>319299287
Sage goes on all fields.
When baiting, you need to be subtle.
Sandwiching Borderlands 3 between the three classic Fallouts can barely be called bait.
>>319312940
>> Rule #3: Dark humor is good. Slap-stick is not.
They forgot about that rule since FO2
3=NV
>muh story
Fuck off.
>>319313442
>They forgot about that rule since FO2
they forgot about it during fallout 2
>>319313597
Mechanics and equipment are still better in NV.
>>319313597
>muh branched, greatly written quests which allow for multiple paths
>>319312940
>Let the player play how they want to play
>If you choose anything other than 10 PER every single attack misses
Kek
>>319313597
If we took out all of the story elements, world building, and lore New Vegas would still be a better game than Fallout 3. The gunplay is better, the skills are handled better, the perks are more balanced, traits are better, gun balance is better, and SPECIAL is handled better. If you took both games and put them in a large empty box with one enemy and just the player New Vegas would be better.
>>319313701
>Mechanics
You can aim down the sights and the (100% uselesz) survival skill
The end
>Equipment
No railway rifle no buy
Other than that Iagree
>>319312652
the factions are pretty much just the dialogue wheel of options in terms of synths
minutemen: what synths?
institute: just tools
brotherhood: hate synths
railroad: synths are people too
>>319313953
You also get different ammo types and special attacks for unarmed and melee combat. Weapon mods, too.
>>319313972
>the factions all tie into the central theme and plot
>this is bad
Let me guess, you prefer making up your own stories in sandbox games?
>>319314474
>all they offer is basically a different moral stance on a singular event that happens in the game world
>have no substance or ideology which matters outside of MUH SYNTHS
NV<3<2<4<1<<<<Tactics<<<<Shelter<<<<BoS
>>319299287
2 > New Vegas >= 4 > 1 > 3 > Tactics = Shelter >>>>>>>> BoS
4 is flawed like crazy but I can't stop playing
>>319315062
Objectively wrong.
You < Me.
>>319315062
Fuck I did the damn arrows backwards
The old and new games are too different to be ranked together.
2 < Tactics < 1
3 < 4 < New Vegas
>>319315074
I know how you feel. I know 4 is objectively a mediocre game, but it's the first game I wanna play when I come home these days.
>>319315689
In that case:
1 > 2 > Tactics
4 > New Vegas > 3
2 = NV > 1 > Tactics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3
4 isn't even a fallout game
>>319299287
You used literal shit as bait.
>>319312940
>no useless skills
i'm a huge fan of 1 and 2 but lets be honest shit like traps and throwing were essentially useless
>>319299689
vanilla NV is better than vanilla 3 dafuq you smoking
>>319299287
2 fucking sucked i dont know how anyone actually likes that shitfest
1 was much better
New Vegas is one of the best RPGs of the last generation, with absolutely amazing quests, a great skill-system, improved (though still clunky) combat, interesting characters and so on. It excells in every department that a RPG needs to excell in, and bugs or a relatively low production quality doesn't change anything about that.
Anyone who shits on New Vegas has no fucking clue.
>>319316681
>with absolutely amazing quests
So following a quest marker now qualifies as absolutely amazing?
>>319316762
No, i was talking about NV, not 3 or 4.
Because I haven't played any of the older games (they're in the backlog, probably forever) I can only rate what I've played.
NV>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3~4
4 has a better feel than 3, and steals just enough from NV and the modding community to be better than 3 in terms of world aesthetic, general combat feel, and of course it's graphically better looking. However, everything that isn't just walking around shooting things is garbage. The Base Building is extremely janky and limited, the character interaction is vague and extremely poorly written, which ties nicely into how fucking abysmal the story and general questing is.
3 and 4 are both shit, but it's shit apples to shit oranges. New Vegas is the only Fallout game I've played in the three Bethesda published entries that felt like an actual world with an economy and an overarching story. 3 and 4 just feel like Elder Scrolls with the half of the systems torn out.
>>319316847
Hypocritical much?
All the quests in NV ultimately boil down to following a quest marker. Oh they are better written and you get more choices, but they require exactly as little effort as the quests in Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3 and Fallout 4.
>>319316904
>implying anyone here has actually played the old fallout games
>>319317081
>not turning off the hud
casual
NV>1>2>4>3>Tactics
>>319317081
