Fallout4
>gives minor backstory
>has few choices how to do quests
>you can make your character look the way you want
>you can focus on perks you want to make character have specific build
>/v/ doesn't think it's RPG
Every JRPG ever
>gives full backstory to everyone
>you can't create characters
>all have linear level ups with predefined skills
>story is linear
>/v/ somehow considers these RPG's
Why?
WRPG
>YOU CAN DO ANYTHING
>Not really tho
JRPG
>Experience the story of these characters
>That's actually what happens lol
>>319282598
In Fallout 4 you can do pretty much anything AND experience epic story of the characters
>>319282598
>WRPG
>YOU CAN DO ANYTHING
>Not really tho
>>319282798
You tried too hard.
Have a (You)
>>319282859
Just tell me where i was wrong? You can go for a killing spree if you want, or be a saint or whatever you want. But you also have a story about your kidnapped child and murdered wife which will get anyone emotianal.
>>319282843
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>>319282994
You know exactly where you're wrong and what you're doing.
>>319282469
>>319282598
>>319282798
>>319283049
Then i guess you just have ruined your taste with anime and weeaboo games.
>>319283192
The only thing I ruined was your moms pussy.
>>319282994
You can only be a saint or a psychotic murderer.
That's not how real people work.
>/v/ is full of weeaboos
Wow what a shock.
It's an okay game with RPG elements, but it isn't what I expected from a Fallout game.
Witcher 3 is still my GOTY.
>>319283275
You can be neutral too, what the fuck more you entitled cunt want?
>>319282469
>/v/ somehow considers these RPG's
Actually we consider those JRPG's
>>319283354
You can't do anything other than chose the ending. Every other dialogue is 4 different ways to say "yes"
>>319282994
"You can go for a killing spree if you want"
I tried. Everyone in Sanctuary's fucking essential.
Witcher 3
>set backstory (from books)
>moral choices is what the quests are based onbesides killing monsters
>minor customisation
>can make 1 out of 3 designed playstyles more effective
Fallout 4
>your character is either a lawyer or a veteran soldier
>no actual choices
>lots of cosmetic customisation
>lots of perks but only a few are essential
HATE NEWSPAPER
KILLING MONSTERS
>>319283354
How the fuck are you going to be neutral? By not playing the game? You can't even be a real 'saint' because everything revolves around killing shit.
>>319283354
It's hard to put my fingers on it, but I never had this issue with New Vegas. Something about the dialogue always ending with the same outcome.
>>319282469
>>/v/ somehow considers these RPG's
>Why?
/v/ considers them JRPGs. It's part of the difference between typical WRPG design and typical JRPG design. You go in expecting them to follow their own 'rules'. Fallout 4 plays more like an action game than an RPG.
>>319283513
Just use mods to kill essentials, that's how you're supposed to play Bethesda games. They just create these beatiful worlds and stories people then can customize to cater their own taste.
>>319283546
Get maximum charisma and a companion, BOOM no need to kill anyone.
>>319283670
Nigger, you HAVE to kill Kellogg and scoop out his fucking brain. Do you see a pacifist do that?
Even if your fucking companions kills him, would you travel with a murderer?
Also in the end you HAVE to entirely decimate at least 1 faction which always has innocent people in it (even the Brotherhood) so fuck off with your bullshit.
>>319283670
Except then there's no way to finish the game.
>>319283670
You are next level delusional if you believe what you're writing
I know you're probably just playing devils advocate, but please just stop
>>319283891
He's saying that you can just have your companion do all the killing, but that's fucking retarded when that's not being neutral, as companions are just extensions of your character.
>>319283670
>Just use mods to kill essentials, that's how you're supposed to play Bethesda games
I hate you so much...
>>319283891
>>319283896
Now you're just nitpicking, of course you couldn't be full pacifist in any previous fallouts either but you can get very close. And destroying Institute isn't bad thing.
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>>319283049
>I know you're a fucking asshole, so I'm just going to give you the quest anyways.
>You are locked out of this other quest chain.
>You are now hated by this faction.
>You are now pigeonholed to this ending.
>And you don't even get the long-winded fun ending from New Vegas
>>319284096
Actually you could in New Vegas. There's even an achievement for it.
>>319284096
>>319284191
Also in FO1
>>319282469
>minor backstory
>quest have choices
>perks are unique
[Muffled Little Lies in the distance]
>>319284005
That's why I said that you wouldn't be best buddies with a murderer, especially if you are a pacifist. It severely limits the play options if every quest is 'go there and kill everyone in that area'
>>319284096
Destroying the Institute is objectively a bad thing, just like killing everyone in the Railroad and in the Brotherhood of Steel.
You go from: Never able to make an 'evil' choice to just killing giant groups of people just because you're told to do so.
>>319282469
>Assault Rifle
>Literally a water-cooled LMG
>Combat Rifle
>A rifle chambered in a low-pressure pistol cartridge
>Submachinegun
>The most stereotypical SMG in human history
Never has the nogunz nature of a design team been put on such glaring display.
Since there's no stats anymore, Fallout 4 is LITERALLY not an RPG. It's an openworld-action-game. Nothing else.
>>319284246
Seriously, somebody made a good point about Fallout 4 when they said it'd be a better game with half the fighting and double the dialogue. If you could talk your way out of every situation, it'd actually be a good game.
>>319284191
>>319284226
I don't believe that. Besides if it would be true, this is unique story and you have to assume the role of this lone wanderer and not to play as yourself. MC wants to revenge his family and it's part of the story. You guys always whine about stories, and now when they put effort to it you whine that's also wrong, what do you want?
>>319284410
We've been over this, skills and stats are implemented in perks and it actually works out better than those hard to understand and boring, numberbased stats.
>>319282469
That's only because /v/ plays trash JRPGs
>>319284191
> There's even an achievement for it.
lel there's not, you're so full of shit.
i'm having a hard time liking fo4. that dog you get shoved down your throat is annoying as fuck. everyone is absolutely useless and can't do anything without you. the whole settlement thing could have been cool if you didn't end up with floating shit everywhere. and of course muh brown EVERYTHING with garbage everywhere that you can't clean up.
>tfw even my pseudo military get up feels out of place due to my character's personality
Seriously, anything other than white skin and the most vanilla wasteland armor feels out of place on a heroic, occasionally sarcastic family (wo)man
>>319282994
>emotianal
>>319284561
That's the whole point of an RPG, you do whatever the fuck you want. If you want to tell a story, the don't make it a fucking RPG with 4 "choices" that all end the same
>>319284410
>Since there's no stats anymore
>>319284457
>>319284561
>this is unique story and you have to assume the role of this lone wanderer and not to play as yourself.
Which is what people have an issue with. That's not something they expect from Fallout, and it's not what people want from it. It works in games like The Witcher and Mass Effect, because a lot in the game is designed around that, and the dialogue options that skills can influence offer you to have a more personal level of interaction. In Fallout 4, you've lost the level of control you expect from an RPG.
>>319284457
The only situation you can't talk yourself or flee from is the Kellogg fight iirc.
>>319284561
If I wasn't on my phone right now I'd give you proof of it.
You're no lone wanderer, you're a mother or a father, coming from an American suburb.
The revenge story works, but that's just about the only thing that works. At least that's what motivated me to do the things I did.
The worst thing you can do is to please everyone, because in the end it pleases no one.
>>319284668
What would be the point if everyone in wasteland would be able to everything by themselves? Why do you even play games if you hate doing stuff yourself?
>>319284746
Agreed, and that's why NV and Planescape:Torment was horrible games, trying to force stories on the player. A proper RPG are games like Minecraft.
>>319283337
It's not a fallout game it's a bethesda game.
>>319284989
But the ones you can talk out of are complete bullshit. It's not about you talking them out of the fight, or having done something earlier so they don't want to fight you, it's you telling them a password told to you by a soothsayer on drugs
What the fuck
>>319285190
You clearly haven't played that Dansequest.
hey guys, hey guys, listen
>what's a good way of making dosh?
>which guns are overall good and which should I invest in? right now I have like 15 weapons in my inventory which weigh a lot, and I don't know which I shoul keep
>>319284989
From what I remember, you can talk others in to fighting alongside you, but you can't talk your way out of many actual fights, or being responsible for killing. You can avoid a fair amount by sneaking and stealing passwords to reach the end, but when it comes to interacting with a 'boss', it ends in conflict a lot. I'm saying this with the forgeworks in mind, and the Valentine quest with the girl. I had a 10 Charisma during those, and I don't recall being able to talk my way out of any conflict.
>>319285426
Selling all the useless Aid items you pick up works pretty well
>>319285552
You're wrong there, I talked my way out of the Valentine quest. Convinced girl to go home and mob boss gave me a chance to walk away.
>>319285426
Hunting Rifle
Combat shotgun
Combat rifle
Some pipe rifle since you'll have loads of ammo for it
Some energy weapon for synths, just keep upgrading the musketr you get early
Has this been posted in this thread yet
>Gen 3 Synths are completely identical to normal humans in every way
>They drop Synth components
Good job Todd.
>>319285804
so I should stay away from pistols and two-handed automatic weapons?
>>319285426
Sell those bullets for the makeshift weapons (.38 i think?), each of them is worth one cap.
>>319285764
My mistake. I've only done the quest once, and didn't see the option to avoid the fight. Told the girl to leave and it triggered the mob boss every time.
What about the Forge questline? Also the main storyline, I don't ever recall being given a way to avoid destroying the other faction(s).
>>319283528
Don't forget the "shove djikstra aside"
>>319285959
Basically any weapon is good enough
I got the sneak multiplier perk, so I got a silenced pistol that lets me get a bunch of freebies before I'm discovered
Automatic weapons are iffy because you don't really have ammo to spare if you're playing on survival, but if you find one with the explosives affix then you're basically set, that shit's OP
>>319285426
btw I have one more question, what about the 2k house in Diamond City? Can I get it for free by becoming a hero of the city or something, or is paying the only option? Or maybe I shouldn't bother getting the house anyway?
>>319285552
You can talk your way out of the Valentine quest. I actually had to because I had some bug where Skinny Malone was invincible.
>>319284653
Erwin sounds pretty alpha.
>>319286273
It can't be helped once you forsake your destiny as hero of light and crush the Empire and both the forces of Light and Darkness, all to become the new supreme ruler
>>319286080
Shoving him aside someone causes you to skip a quest
>>319285426
Make a solo sneaker with a silenced pistol, silenced shotgun and silenced rifle.
>>319285426
>dosh?
Go to the settlement that's north west of the prydwen that's on the beach and set up the large water purifiers with the power needed to power them and you'll have a water farm. Sell the water (around 400 every 3-4 days) for caps and ammo and you should be good
>weapons?
Go to vault 81 (roughly west of diamond city) and get the overseers guardian. It's a bit pricey but you should have tons of caps and you can buy ammo if you need it
>>319282469
Cause most JRPGs arent real RPGs an the term RPG ,when it comes to videogames, was eventually co-opted to help dumb as fuck nip kids understand what type of game they were getting into even though it was improperly used. So the slang version of RPG stuck and made a bajillion buckaroos by essentially being used wrong
>>319286425
okay but what game
>>319286425
what game is this?
>>319287224
>>319287676
Cancerous newfags
>>319284653
>>319287838
>HE DOESN'T KNOW EVERY OBSCURE 20 YEAR OLD JRPG EVER
>HAHA WHAT A NEWFAG!!!
>be the "general" and "leader" of minutemen
>Get to a location where "my men" are in a standoff with enemy
>"stand down men let me deal with this"
>"fuck you, you are not the boss of us, fuck off or we shoot you too"
BRAVO Bethesda
R
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V
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>>319288091
>obscure
>>319287953
>>319288091
pretty much
>>319289008
It's literally over 20 years old JRPG
>It's not obscure if I know it!!!
>>319289143
you're mom's vagina is over 20 years old and everyone knows it
>>319289042
10/10 writing would read again
>>319288791
>hurr durr, what's fragging?
>>319289278
i have no clue, something a 14 year old cod player screams into a mic?
>>319282469
You've latched on to the fact that "role playing game" doesn't accurately describe your average JRPG, despite being the name of the genre. Nobody really defends this or considers JRPGs to be games you can roleplay in, but there's no point in changing the name of a genre just to satisfy some semantics nerds.
The point is more that Fallout 4 is from a line of games where you CAN roleplay, and the roleplaying mechanics in it are very shit. But this thread is bait, isn't it?
>>319282598
Fukken weeabos can't properly defend themselves
>>319282469
Because in Fallout 4, that amounts to:
>every character is the same
>every build is the same for the first 20 levels
>SPECIAL doesn't matter
>perks barely matter
>any character can pick up any weapon and be competent with it
>perks are almost entirely boring stat increases, almost every build plays the same even at end game
>character is a boring monotone with no motivations
>almost none of your decisions matter
>>319282469
It's just a name that stuck. Don't try and point that out to weebshits because they'll just get mad.
>>319289042
love this one
>>319282994
Lets put it like this
> wife just killed get out the vault
> continue story till I get piper as follower
> explore wastlend enough to romance her just hours after seeing my dead wife
> go back to story, suddenly my character is fucking pissed at this kellog guy
> can't reply in a calm way just goes apeshit like he really cared
> all this while he spent time banging with piper in the wqsteland who knows for how long
Because fuck what the player wants, right?
>>319289950
>half the perks about vats
>i dont use vats
thanks todd
>>319286035
I think you need to talk to Mama Murphy and get her to use the sight. She then tells you a vague future and what to say at this particular moment which then comes up in the dialogue with Valentine. I never understood what it meant though.
>>319289950
>every character is the same
>every build is the same for the first 20 levels
>SPECIAL doesn't matter
>perks barely matter
>any character can pick up any weapon and be competent with it
This is not true, there are interesting perks in every tree and you won't be able to get them all for a long time. And at higher difficulty to have to specialise into something.
>any character can pick up any weapon and be competent with it
But at higher difficulty there's a huge difference in damage between a character that has bonus damage/95vats accuracy/modded weapon/bonus crit damage/vats recharge and another that just picked up a weapon. Same goes for melee, you can't do shit without the perks.
>perks are almost entirely boring stat increases, almost every build plays the same even at end game
This is not true, almost every perk adds an bonus effect that gets better with every point.
>almost none of your decisions matter
There's quite a few moments where your decisions matter, tho I agree it's still dissapointing.
jrpgs are not rpgs. we had this conversation a million times. jrpgs are character progression games. not rpgs.
>>319292734
>This is not true, there are interesting perks in every tree and you won't be able to get them all for a long time. And at higher difficulty to have to specialise into something.
playing on survival
i have pistols/rifles/machineguns/heavy weapons maxed + lock picking and hacking and armor/gun/science modding maxed
since like 75% perks are worthless you will max everything by lvl 50
