>The game has a weapon durability system
>The game was funded on Kickstarter
>>319279586
But that's good.
>>319279940
>Can't keep a certain weapon the entire game
>"Good"
>>319280020
>Didn't state whether the weapon can be repaired indefinitely or not
>>319279940
Being forced to go back to a weaponsmith because of an unecessary mechanic is not good.
>>319279586
You have 5 seconds to name a game where weapon degradation was a good idea
>>319282267
F-F-F-F-F-F-FFF-Fallout.... New Ve-
>implodes
>>319282267
there literally isn't
it's padding
>>319282267
Far Cry 2, of course! :^)
>>319279586
>durability systems are either non-existent, or a complete burden
Wish they just never bothered adding them
>>319282267
Dead Rising cause it's a game about using the environment around you
>>319282267
Fallout NV worked because they actually gave you infinite means to get back to max durability, unlike FO3 where once the T-51b takes any damage, you can NEVER EVER get it fixed again.
It offered an interesting weapon balance where you could have really powerful guns that were balanced out by breaking after like 300 shots, like the LAER or alien blaster. Look at how what the Alien Blaster ended up as with infinite durability in FO4, it's fucking pathetic. The Alien Blaster, traditionally a deliberately broken easter egg weapon balanced only by flimsy durability and limited ammo count, is terrible.
Basically, if the game gives you any sort of readily available repair system, there's literally nothing wrong with a weapon degradation system.
>>319282267
Modded stalker.
Git gud nikqua
>>319282267
New Vegas
and what this guy said: >>319282637
>>319282267
Dark Cloud, you pay more attention to what you're doing instead of using the same weapon for every enemy or infinitely grinding
>>319279586
>>The game has a weapon durability system
>It loses effectiveness as it breaks down
>Can't just pick up random weapons and use them effectively on any enemies
This is shit I miss in games. If you are going to have repair then let me just toss a gun and pick up another which still does good amounts of damage. Otherwise it becomes a chore of keeping things >90% to stay relevant.
>endurance/weight system
>all it does is make you teleport to base every half hour
For what purpose
>The game has a weight system
>>319282267
Baldur's Gate
>>319282807
STALKER does this well, towards the end.
By the end of the game I was just ripping exo suits and F2000s off of any corpse I could find.
>>319282685
>Take Jury Rigging perk
>Repair Elite Riot Gear armor (10000 caps) with NCR trooper armor (500 caps)
>>319282685
>unlike FO3 where once the T-51b takes any damage, you can NEVER EVER get it fixed again.
IIRC there are repair NPCs, no? They can't keep it 100% but you'll never have it broke. Can't you also use outcasts armor to repair it?
>>319282267
If a weapon statistically AND visibly changes due to its degradation, yes. Guns jam, misfire, are unreliable, etc. and melee weapons get chips, dents, fall apart...
If only for the reason to spend resources on repairing them, that's stupid.
>>319282267
Stalker
>>319282893
>You can't carry every single weapon to meet every single situation at any given time
Unless it's a pure shooter like Painkiller I do like having it like hardcore mode in New Vegas. No near-infinite ammo for all your top 10 guns.
>>319282596
They're supposed to be a burden.
Like having a health stat is a burden.
>>319282895
>Weapon degradation
>Baldur's Gate
What?
>>319282916
No, the only repair NPC that can bring it back to 100 is Soma from Mothership Zeta, who is coincidentally one of the characters who's just like "lol bye" and can never be found again after you beat it. You can get weapon-repairing alien epoxy from the ship forever if you have decent RNG, but nothing for your armor.
>>319282893
Now I just feel like this is targeted rusemanship. If you want to play some wacky game where you can hold every gun and shoot everything and hold all the ammo, go play something like SR, m8.
>>319282815
>encumbrance gradually builds up with carry weight, rather than suddenly impacting you after reaching a certain weight
>>319282267
Dying Light
>>319283107
>No, the only repair NPC that can bring it back to 100 is Soma from Mothership Zeta
I specifically said they can't keep it 100%. Just that you never need to run around with it completely broke forever.
While we're on the subject of Fallout can I just say how fucking awful it is that they decided to add a shitload of "do more damage with this kind of gun" perks?
I'm not taking any fun niche perks because I can't see any legitimate reason to take anything other than "actually be able to kill things with this gun" in what is blatantly primarily a shooter.
>>319282895
he might be talking about dark alliance, i think it had weapon degradation
>>319280020
>What is resource management?
>What is picking-up new weapons?
>>319283206
Well yeah, the annoying thing about that is that you can't get unique armor at peak condition ever again after taking damage, that's obnoxious.
>>319283179
>Mass Effect 3 MP
>Vanguard level 20
>Level everything around the charge
>Equip some shit pistol to keep +200% recharge rate
DEATH DESTROYER OF WORLDS ETC
>>319283202
>crow bar breaks after like 6 hits
>can 1-shot most zombies with a single foot to the face anyway
what's the point
>>319283202
>>319282928
To see the weapon degrade visually
>>319282361
dead rising
>>319283263
Only if you're autistic.
![60107[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xpWog5M.jpg "60107[1].jpg")
>>319282267
>>319282267
Dead Rising.
>>319282893
What the fuck are you talking about? Games that let you carry every weapon ever are objectively shittier.
Just look at GTA V. So much opportunity for mechanics, but no. You just get a cluttered menu of about 30 different weapons and every event is basically a rocket launcher quickdraw contest.
SO FUN
>>319283263
It's weird how you can use the 51b to repair OTHER powerarmors but not vice versa.
Wiki: "The T-51b can be used to repair either standard power armor, Brotherhood power armor or Outcast power armor."
>>319282267
Faia Emblem
>>319283363
To keep you on your toes, so the game can have overpowered weapons with low durability to have some fun with, etc
The idea behind weapon degradation is to prevent the player from picking one gun and being a boring shitter with it, using one good weapon the entire game instead of spicing things up and actually playing the game.
>>319283563
I've found that, like many other things in that broken mess, mods fix it.
F.W.E is good for it.
>>319283540
If you really want to PvP in GTA V you can setup arenas with specific weapon limitations.
>>319283107
every game you have a magical ass purse with a "weight limit" is already fucktard retarded
either have realism where you actually carry stuff or dont have shitty limits that force players to MANAGE inventory
if I want to manage stuff I play some shitty sim game
>>319280020
>this is what lazy asses are like
>Enemy can only be damaged with a Counter
The only time this was ever good was the Deathstroke fight in Arkham Origins.
>>319283094
he probably meant non-magical weapons that tend to break because of ore contamination. We are talking about Baldur's Gate 1 here.
>>319282361
>frogshit
Thanks for the indicator that this thread is clearly shit.
>>319283614
I need a open world game like this. STALKER comes close but isn't much of an RPG.
>>319283624
So? Freemode, and missions, and heists, and the vagos shit doesn't have that, so even missions that are set up to do drive by's as evident by the style just have people spamming sticky bombs, getting out, and strafing with rocket launchers simply because it's easier.
It is seriously shitty design.
>>319283646
>lazy ass
>implying he didn't name his weapon
>implying he didn't carefully clean and repair this one weapon every time it was damaged
>implying he doesn't feel that one weapon is an extension of his soul
Samurai swords, etc etc.
>>319283107
>Now I just feel like this is targeted rusemanship. If you want to play some wacky game where you can hold every gun and shoot everything and hold all the ammo, go play something like SR, m8.
You'd think such a system would force you to choose between which stuff to bring with you on adventures, make a choice between more versatility or more carry space, or somesuch. But most of the tgimes it doesn't do anything like that and you can still carry the equivalent of a ton which turns it into nothing but tedious bullshit every half hour, with no meaningful choices whatsoever
>>319282637
>>319283435
>>319283517
>one game
>>319283469
in FO3 guns and armor get less effective as they degrade. They do less damage.
Going through a lot of effort to get this unique hyped up power armor only for it to be permanently not-as-good as it originally was is a pretty lame reward tbf
especially when they introduced an item to give weapons basically infinite durability later on
>>319282058
>unecessary
it allows for a wider variety of annoyances by adding "fucks up your weapons fast" to the mix.
You might not like it but calling it unecessary is wrong.
>weapon you like a lot
>its obsolete once you level up
>>319283772
>>So? Freemode, and missions, and heists, and the vagos shit doesn't have that
>Melee/teargas/flaregun weapons only Heists
I laughed.
>>319279705
GotY 2014.
>>319283897
Yeah, none of those are things that you can enforce.
>>319283932
>december 8, 2011
>"No end in sight"
>>319279586
>and it's tied to the framerate
>>319282267
Definitly STALKER
>3rd 420 captcha in two days
>>319283107
>If you want to play some wacky game where you can hold every gun and shoot everything and hold all the ammo, go play something like SR, m8
Of course neo/v/ can only imagine shooters
The Gothic games apparently do not exist
>>319283807
I mean the less you carry on you, the more loot you can bring back, the longer you can be out, the more shit you can get to sell off for useful rare items. Even in FO4 I tend to pause while thinking about what I actually want to bring with me this outing.
>>319283626
Well you picked a game that has a weight limit/weight management systems. If you don't like it, play another game.
You are literally the same as the people around FO4's release who argued that RPG micromanagement mechanics were lame because they just wanted to "explore and shoot mutants" when there are MULTIPLE OTHER GAMES that cater to that style of play.
>>319284104
Fallout 4 has RPG mechanics?
>>319283897
Now I want to make a melee+molotov only crew in MP. Imagine 10+ players rushing someone parking outside passive mode and everyone starts bashing his car. You'll be easily killed over and over but I'm sure it will scare a bunch of players getting swarmed by bats and knives.
Oh and we'll pack em all in a prison bus so everyone can hang out and "driveby" targets.
>>319283626
I simultaneously loved and hated Resident Evil 4's inventory.
>>319284104
That doesn't change anything though, really. At most you'll lose out on a bunch of steel and springs because weapons are the heaviest. Since you can instantly teleport to and from bases it's essentially a non.issue
Now if you couldn't teleport and if there were survival mechanics it could be meaningful
>>319284104
>they just wanted to "explore and shoot mutants" when there are MULTIPLE OTHER GAMES that cater to that style of play.
But it's not the NEW thing anon! :(
>>319284179
This was when people were starting to figure out that skills were gone and making a fuss about it, I saw someone genuinely try to argue that even if it was dumbing down, what about the people who "come home from work and just want to shoot mutants and explore?"
(STALKER, Borderlands, among other games)
>>319279586
>fighting like 15 dudes
>your ak47 FUCKING EXPLODES
>its all your dumb-ass fault as you never invested time in upgrading or buying a new weapon
>this is somehow a bad design choice?
>>319284419
I think you misunderstood me
I'm saying having a weight limit (which is still big enough to basically allow you to just repeatedly press E for 2 hours before it's full and even then you can just fast travel back) is not an RPG mechanic m8
I'm saying FO4 is indeed just shoot and explore, there's no RPG left
>>319284596
>AK47
>Breaking
>>319284675
No, I know that Fallout 4 is barely an RPG.
This was someone arguing that FO4 nuking everything RPG-related beyond perks was a good thing.
rpg : you talk to people and theres quests
>>319284716
ak47 did have a lot more durabillity than the other guns, to be fair.
There was also a golden ak that never broke
>>319279586
>>319282893
Technically, some of the Fire Emblem games have both.
>>319284716
If AK-47s are so great, why didn't the US use them
>>319285257
...and fire emblem games are trash. your point?
>>319285421
Have you played some of them? Anyway I was just providing an example.
>>319282267
Technically ammo mechanic is a weapon degradation mechanic and fuckton of games has it.
>>319285639
You fucking what
>trade in your useless weapons for gil
>>319284716
They can break and jam.
Not likely they will explode though.
>>319285273
The same reason every country tries to develop their own equipment.
It's kinda lame to use the weapon of your enemy.
>The game has a height system
>>319285706
He does have a point.
The amount of shots you can take it limited by the amount of ammo you carry.
It's really no different from weapon condition points unless the game doesn't have any means of repairing them.
>>319287312
Except that ammo works on multiple weapons, not just one, which makes it quite different
>>319287376
It depends on the game though, and generally it's pretty similiar.
Some people might find 2 counters like that to be too much.
>game limits your weight capacity
>no limit on volume
>>319287917
>no limit on volume
Just like the amount of cum your mom swallows every night.
>>319288002
pretty sure that is limited by stomach size and esophagus diameter
>>319288052
Nah, your mom has managed to stretch those out, so they match her pussy.
>>319284596
It is when on harder difficulties, your gun jams after 2 mags.
Reminder Dylan's mod fixed some major issues like this but they still existed
>>319287571
who gives a fuck about minorities
>>319288276They are not a minority anymore Anon, we are
>>319288175
even if they're stretched, the throughput and storage capacity is still finite
>everybody crying about inventory management
>start up Jagged Alliance 2 v1.13
>it's 80% managing inventory and equipping rigs and pouches
>mfw
>>319288486
Good for you, anon.
>>319282685
>The Alien Blaster, traditionally a deliberately broken easter egg weapon balanced only by flimsy durability and limited ammo count
Ahem.
>>319288713
It was balanced by having a shitty range back then.
Is there ANY game like this?
>certain components like recoil springs, extractors, and barrels can be worn out from heavy use
>you can swap these out for things like match barrels, springs that give more durability or a new ejector that prevents failures from happening
too bad as a game mechanic, its needlessly tedious and poorly implemented at best
>dumping 5 mags with an ak in farcry 2 makes it explode
