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name a flaw
weeb shit
Shit character designs
>>319220698
Smirk.
Lucifer's design.
I don't have a 3ds
>>319220698
Guest designs
It's Japanese, so I know it's shit. It looks like a cartoon, the fights are turn based, it's full of misogyny, it's on a shit handheld, there is no licensed music, there's no racial diversity, and it reflects a shitty culture. It's weeb shit for white boys with yellow fever.
>>319220698
It's the Dark Souls of Persona.
>>319220698
the story
any route that is not neutral's ideology and driving force are retarded as fuck
some of the demon's designs
smirk
>>319220936
>>319222242
Legitimate flaws.
Thank god the designs in Final look like the new artist got over whatever this phase was.
>>319222812
I don't like the designs in Final but at least all of the art released so far seems to be much better generalized.
It bugs me to hell and back in 4 when the designs of the guest designers and regular demons style clashes.
>>319220698
Johnathan looks like a fucboi.
>>319220698
"Professional reviewers" already did that for us.
The only real gameplay flaws are the complete lack of VIT and the fact that physical and gun attacks use SP. Those basically make it so every single character build and demon you use needs to be full-magic glass cannon, and pray that RNGesus doesn't slap your shit with an unlucky Smirk, because if you get that you're dead.
Honestly still pretty fun to be honest famicom, but easily the weakest in the series.
>>319223569
It hurts
Lack of a world map combined with a terribley designed overworld makes navigating Tokyo a fucking pain.
Also getting neutral is fucking retardedly hard
Rolling for new game+ route
>0-3 law
>4-5 neutral
>6-9 chaos
>>319224026
Faggot please, i went neutral on my very first run, without a guide.
>>319220698
Smirk
Jonathon's Hair
Some demon designs
Hair in general
Both Light and Dark being instant-kill spells.
>>319223569
I was just going to post this, but since i can't I'll just post this review
https://archive.is/QtR0H
>smirk
>retarded overworld design
>shit dungeons with no puzzles or interesting design for most of the game
>retarded guest art demon designs
>every demon is a glass cannon
>dumb ass game over screen that is way longer than usual in most smt games
>introduced pay to win DLC to the series
>majority of quests are garbage, boring, "get x item from boss" or "get x amount of item from demons"
>stat balance is all kinds of fucked
>physical skills use mp instead of % hp
Need me to keep going?
>>319223569
>it's the year 2013
If you don't think Kaneko's work is GOAT then you're a philistine
>>319220698
The title is in moon runes.
>>319223569
>pokemon-esque
>wanting it to be like persona
>thinking law is good
>>319222481
>shit handheld
I'll fight you m8
>>319224730
Legitimate flaws.
I especially hate how all demons are glass cannons, though I think that the game made it so that demons depend more on skills (life surge, doping, rakukaja, nu/rs/dr) for longevity.
The action was very fast and I like that, but it does limit playstyle options significantly, and it feels less "strategic" and more "tactical".
My biggest problem is that with the infinite potential of fusions, it's difficult to not get bogged down in trying to fuse for the perfect demon. It slows the game down and every time I find my demons underleveled the game turns into a chore. If I get mauled by a boss because my demons aren't good enough, I feel like a shitty player.
And there's also the fact that almost all of the demons fit into some kind of stat archetype shared by many other demons. That shit's just fuckin stupid.
So what are your hopes for FINAL?
>>319226170
Cute demon sluts
>>319226170
I really hope they reintroduce Vi as a distinct stat, though something tells me that just isn't going to happen. I also hope they overhaul stats in general.
The demon designs are less overwrought, which is one of my other big concerns with SMT IV.
I hope that fusion is made simpler.
But most of all I hopethat it actually comes to the US.
>>319224026
If you pick first in every dialogue option and go left in the maze you get guaranteed neutral. It's not that hard.
>>319226170
This >>319226534
>>319226592
Where have you been? is already confirmed vit is not coming back. See this new gameplay vid
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xWuJe9YKB8
>>319224026
This is my only complaint really, it was too easy to get completely lost and not know where to go. Only reason I haven't finished it.
I really hope they fix fusion for final. fusion in 4 just plain sucked and the interface was a mess.
>>319226592
>I really hope they reintroduce Vi as a distinct stat, though something tells me that just isn't going to happen
Yeah, that's already confirmed to not happen, Vi is nowhere to be seen in the two gameplay videos we have.
But it's very likely to come to the US, IV did pretty well and ATLUS seems to care about MegaTen in the US, why wouldn't they release it here?
>>319222481
0/10, your phrasing made me smile though, thanks :)
>>319227014
>tfw they're not gonna use this design for her
>tfw they're not gonna use Titania's SMt II design
A-at least the guest designs are getting changed
>>319222481
>yellow fever
Who waifus the human girls and not the demons?
>>319223569
I think we can all easily agree that most of those comments are dumb, but isn't saying that IV is a step back from Nocturne a valid opinion? It DID reduce the routes back to flat, impersonal Law and Chaos, streamlined the skill sets and ability system for the MC, and whether you prefer 2D sprites or not, using them instead of 3D models is literally a step back. I actually really like IV, but I can perfectly see why someone who actually knew anything about the series would like Nocturne better, and really don't see why doing so is considered "the DARK SOULS of Persona" level.
>>319226170
Has the Tokyo Overworld Map been confirmed to not suck ass?
>>319224026
There is literally a world map displayed on the bottom screen anytime you have to manually travel. Getting neutral is meant to be hard considering that it's the canon and longest route, but it's still pretty fucking easy if you have the slightest inkling as to what you're supposed to be doing to get it.
>>319229838
I never had problem with it.
You don't burn Isabeau on a stake for being a treacherous harlot in the Law route.
You don't take Isabeau's virginity in the Neutral route.
You don't rape Isabeau in the Chaos route.
>>319220698
Smirk
The guest designs for demons
Not Vit stat
>>319220698
No defence stat.
>>319227123
I have seen that.
I'm not quite sure I can see a definite absence or presence of Vitality, since I cannot read Japanese. If we assume that the stats are ordered the same way, it would seem that Archangel has a very high St stat, a low Dx stat, and a moderately high Ma stat, which seems strange, especially since few demons have stats like this in SMT IV. Googling showed nothing either, only GameFAQs polls and shit like that. While the moon runes looked similar for the stat screens between SMT IV Final and SMT IV, the moon runes for Ag and Lu in the same screenshots looked very similar to each other as well, so there may be some minute difference I'm overlooking.
It also seems strange that someone would choose to level up St and Ma together and completely neglect Dx, as appears to have happened in this screenshot.
Like, if you know more then by all means show me that I'm wrong, but right now it seems that there's no definitive evidence that Vit is gone.
>>319223569
They're right about the soundtrack though.
>>319230195
>wanting to fuck Isabeau when demons exist
Am I the only one that liked Smirk feature?
>>319220698
3DS
Strength is completely useless.
>>319230983
>SMT IV's soundtrack
>BAD
Nigga, i will fight you.
>>319231139
It was a neat idea, similar to the Fear system in DDS, but it was way too busted and needed some serious rebalancing
>>319230948
>60 str
>12 dex
WHY
>>319231431
It's pretty shit compared to 3, DDS, and SJ.
>>319229852
You can't even fucking drag the map around and it isn't even interactive. There's just lines that show paths and dots all over the place that are also never really explained. Not only that, everything is referred to in-game by geographic names that no one except people who live in Tokyo would know, much less remember where it is in the map. Like when you go down the Sky Tower, you're in Ueno; great that's the region. But then later people start referring to shit like Midtown and the Hills, or Miyashita Park or Sunshine 60 which are specific places that have no hints to the region they're in based on their names. You can't even scroll around the map to figure out where they are, so you have to wander around aimlessly. You literally have to open up a real life map of Tokyo or be born in Japan to navigate this game with no problems.
>>319231557
>le SJ has a good OST meme
>>319231557
nah familia, you just have shit taste
>>319230983
You sir have almost zero taste. And I don't mean that in a
>u have a different opnion than me, so u hav shit taste >:(
kinda way, I mean that in a
>You don't understand the workings of music, the specific ordering and tweaking of elements within a track that all come together to make it complex and atmospheric,and thus you have do not posses a refined taste for this matter.
kinda way. IV's OST is one of the greatest game soundtracks I've ever heard. I bet you like the generic, lazy shit in DeSu better.
>>319230983
Please forgive him almighty Lucifer; he knoweth not what he sayeth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgCvnkg4ncY
Seriously though how could you not like this soundtrack?
>>319231859
It does.
>>319231859
>SJ has a bad OST
How's that shit taste treating you?
>>319231872
>generic, lazy shit in DeSu
Man, I really liked DeSu but the soundtrack was bland as fuck for the most part. Every music sounded the same, not to mention that every battle had the same 4 songs over and over.
With that said, IV, SJ and DDS1 have my favorite OSTs in the series.
>>319220698
Too easy. Saw so much wanking over SMT's difficulty I went in expecting something tough, but after the 2nd boss the difficulty just erodes as the game goes on.
>>319231530
My guess is they made STR not completely useless
Probably tying HP to it or giving skills that improve the basic attack
>>319232153
>>319232119
Prove it.
>>319220698
L+R+Start doesn't soft reset
Need to save every minute in the beginning because at any given time you could get decimated.
>>319232082
>Posts the one good track that everyone posts when questioned on the quality of the soundtrack
Oh boy, one good track sure redeems the entire OST!
>>319231872
>shitting on DeSu OST
But anon, Oveclocked and RB have some great tracks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N3kdvyfhI8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EwKV-xgMSk
>>319223569
>an OST that is easily forgotten
of all the things you could criticize this game for, the OST is elder god tier.
https://youtu.be/1P_YdPQ2BHw?t=14m14s
>>319232302
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5C0B03AA8CB72C7A
>>319232304
Why does no 3DS game have soft reset any more? Do they think going to the home menu and resetting like that is wuick?
>>319232330
You just cherry-picked two of the best tracks from both games combined, and they both still perfectly fall into my previous "generic, lazy shit" description.
>>319232639
FE Awakening and Pokemon do.
>>319232658
Oh.(You)
>>319231557
>SJ
>>319232302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCKMXriWhYo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWOSBA_M_Cg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4BAItFCqqc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl79WVdid0w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYVXdQQoAcc
If there's any problem with SJ's soundtrack it's that a lot of the music takes time to get going, so you don't hear the best parts of it as often as the introductions.
>>319226170
None since all neutral routes with but a small tinge of Law and Chaos is utterly, completely, absolutely disguting
>>319232838
They pretty much have to for Pokemon or Shiny Hunters will have a big bitch fit.
>1/256 Fiend encounter instead of just having a normal encounter spot where you can challenge them any time or just making them a quest
>The fusion system requires you to look only at the results and not being able to manually select which demons to fuse
>Demons that are only available by fusion accident
>Best parts of the game are DLC
>Difficulty curve is inverted
>You dont get macca from fights
>Higher difficulty does nothing other than raise the price of items in shops and not allow you to retreat
>Lucifer and a lot of the new designs are fucked (but not all)
>Demons don't have exclusive abilities making most of them not worth levelling
I still love IV and I've done 5 runs including one of every route.
>>319233546
>You dont get macca from fights
Wrong, you do get macca if you fight humans.
>>319233546
Oh I forgot
>Worst Titania design
>NO DAISOUJOU
>Most demons have reused voice/scripts
>>319233546
>Demons that are only available by fusion accident
This wouldn't be such an issue if they had the password system from SJ.
>>319233546
>Best parts of the game are DLC
Explain
>>319233789
>Worst Titania design
I AM STILL FUCKING MAD.
>>319233896
>All 4 archangels
>True Masakado
>The two parallel world demons which also shows the fate of their worlds after you leave
>>319234113
Why are they the best parts?
>>319234330
For one, the best music is on the DLC.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6om-6N_yclo
>>319231598
>You can't even fucking drag the map around and it isn't even interactive.
But it's big enough to show the majority of the overworld's layout at any given time anyway. You never need to drag it.
>everything is referred to in-game by geographic names that no one except people who live in Tokyo would know, much less remember where it is in the map.
The character you're playing as and his companions are all strangers in a strange land. Not knowing where anything is straight away adds immersion and creates a sense of exploration that way too many RPGs nowadays lack. And Tokyo is one of the biggest metropolitan centers in the world, I don't think many Japs have it all memorised either.
>But then later people start referring to shit like Midtown and the Hills, or Miyashita Park or Sunshine 60 which are specific places that have no hints to the region they're in based on their names.
But normally there's only two or three spots you can actually acces from what's open on the map right in front of you at the point in the story where you're told to go to those places. And more often than not, there are NPCs hanging about who's dialog gives you directions.
>You can't even scroll around the map to figure out where they are, so you have to wander around aimlessly.
Or you can just wander into the area directly around where you are given the task, as that's always where you have to go if the place mentioned is new. If it's not new and you've already been there before, there's like 5 places in the whole game that don't have their geographic region in their name. Just don't have the memory of a goldfish.
>You literally have to open up a real life map of Tokyo or be born in Japan to navigate this game with no problems.
How do people like you manage with any fantasy RPG more than 10 years old? You know, games which share all the "problems" you mentioned above, but don't even have a real world map for you to look up, yet have been played perfectly for decades?
>>319234113
>>319234515
Playing new game+ now.
What DLC should I get?
>>319234330
All of them would have made great endgame bosses, especially for neutral instead of a bunch of boring side-quests
>>319220698
>Literally pokemon for edgy fedora's.
SMT is shit.
>>319234683
Only the archangels and masakado one, the rest is pay to win shit.
>>319234860
>This bait
It hurts
It's not on Steam and I don't own a 3DS anymore.
>>319234683
You should at least get the Masakado one
For the Past... For the Future > Ancient One of the Sun > Clipped Wings 1+2 > The Eternal Youth
>>319234886
>>319235067
Thanks senpaitachi
>>319235067
Masakado is impossible without the DLC's.
>>319234523
>You never need to drag it.
The point is that there's no interactivity with the map in the first place. They put it in the touch screen and all you can do is see the street paths and dots all over the fucking place. The only other things you get are the name of the region you're in at the top and zooming in and out. What the FUCK is the point of a touch screen map if there is nothing on it that can be interacted with? Like if you could tap on dots and have it show what's there, great, that makes things less of a hassle. But there isn't and navigation is tedious because of it.
>The character you're playing as and his companions are all strangers in a strange land.
I'll concede the sense of exploration, but the map does jack shit in helping you navigate after you've visited an area. It fills up when you go to a new area on the map but without any other additional information you can access, it's just a useless blotch that you have to remember the contents of and that's where the problem is.
>But normally there's only two or three spots you can actually access from what's open on the map right in front of you at the point in the story where you're told to go to those places. And more often than not, there are NPCs hanging about who's dialog gives you directions.
There are 3 Tokyos in the game and you're constantly going around the map in each of them. There's a lot of backtracking and bounding all over the place and the map being a useless piece of shit pads this like crazy. Also, the NPCs give directions referring not only to regions, but also to those specific locations I was complaining about, and using those as a reference point is retarded.
>How do people like you manage with any fantasy RPG more than 10 years old?
Towns and cities in old RPGs had landmarks and distinct visual styles that reinforced your memory of their location. SMT4's overworld is a retarded conglomeration of winding streets, highways, and dead ends with the same visual style.
>>319220698
i'd have to plop down yet another 130+ bucks just to get the system it's on.
seriously atlus, can you pick a fucking platform?
>>319237209
The last mainline game (SJ) was on a Ninty handheld as well.
Why are you so surprised?
>>319237459
>SJ
>mainline
>>319237459
cause i'm not a long time atlus fan. I'm just now realizing that they spread their games over all systems without ever porting a single one.
dragon's crown was amazing. persona 3 and 4 are also great. and to get persona q i have to buy a ds... but golden is on the vita... really atlus? bastards
>>319239657
Q sort of made sense since it was a crossover with EO, but having your only Persona title as a spinoff on a different hardware family was pretty backwards
>>319230983
About the standalone part yes.
It's not meant to stand alone though, it fits the game fucking great.
