>runs past a corner/wall
>back up because he's obviously going to charge at me, then kill him after he wastes his charge
>gets mad and calls me a pussy for predicting his tactics
Why are Demoknights complete idiots?
>charges around the corner and kills you because no demoman uses anything but this overpowered piece of shit anymore
FTFY
Tf2 is shit and everyone who plays it is shit
>Be Pyro
>Braindead Scoot charges at me
>S+M1
>Scoot drops dead
>"Noob Pyro W+M1 fag"
>MFW
>>319216278
I don't know man. Some people just like to die over and over again while accomplishing absolutely nothing.
>>319216602
you need to be careful when charging over slopes with that
>build sentry
>enemy tunnel visions sentry
>tries to fight it or turns tail and runs
>either way shoot them to death with shotgun
>meanwhile your entire team flooded through the teleporter and capped
I've been practicing pub engineer and this shit can be fun.
>>319216602
>they made it so you lose distance if you're being hit while charging
>mfw a quick headshot instantly stops them mid-charge
Feels good to be a Sniperon a Valve server
>>319218508
Unless you're using them to charge jump
>>319219164
yeah. thats a great thing to do since the source engine allows all this weird shit
>>319216278
>Place obvious stickies in a kill trap
>Heavy and medic combo keep going threw it and get gibbed
>This time they waited to build their uber before doing it
>mfw I placed the stickies further up so they got gibbed before they ubered.
I do it so I can jerk off to their rage chats.
>>319219343
>>319219164
>tfw this was the critical centerpiece of attacking on Degroot Keep
I miss medieval mode.
>>319216602
i always played demoknight but havent played in about 2 years. what does that shield do?
>>319219652
lets you turn freely while charging
>>319219621
>defending second to last cap on pl_upward
>soldier/medic combo about to uber, they do it as soon as I pull outmy stickies
>I detonate them after 5 are put down, have a little health left
>soldier goes flying, still ubered, and falls to his death
>mfw finishing his medic butt buddy
>>319219652
Full turn control while charging, also if you kill with a charge you get 75% of your meter back immediately.
>>319219652
Renders the Booties/Pegleg completely obsolete by giving you the ability to turn while charging
You can around multiple corners or 180 in a single charge, removing all the downsides charging used to have
>>319219907
Actually, they changed that. If you get a melee kill a few seconds after the charge, or you get it WITH the charge, you get the refill.
>>319219824
>>319219907
>>319220008
fuck all that. back in my day when we cut off heads it took real fucking skill with a fucking chargin targe and eyelander
>>319219858
pl_upward is the best map
the cliff maxes it more fun to try out various loadouts
>>319219652
I don't know if you remember, but there was an issue with demo charge in that how fast you could turn was almost completely dependent on how high your framerate was. At a high enough fps, you could pretty much spin on the spot while at a lower fps would barely be able to round a corner unless you used a turn macro or something. Valve finally fixed it like a year ago but many people that were used to the fast turns got upset, so they made this shield that lets you completely control your charge regardless of framerate.
>>319220185
>it took real fucking skill
it didnt at all.
with the tide turner you can do seriously cool shit like fly across the map by charging on a slope or ramp at the right moment, you can fucking circle round an enemy to throw them off and kill them, you can finally get fuckers who run around a corner since theres no escape.
>>319220185
chargin targe has full afterburn immunity now.
what people dont like to tell you is a lot of demoknight still run it because full on countering pyro can be more useful than having no skill turns.
unless you're doing trimp jumping in which case you are beyond mortal men in some cases.
>>319220185
>took real fucking skill with a fucking chargin targe and eyelander
>>319220993
>full on countering pyro
Any Pyro who can actually play will just airblast you out of the way
>>319221219
no any pyro who can actually play will lock you in a corner, laugh, and slowly kill you as you half-heartedly try to escape.
Then they will feed on your corpse and suck out all the fun you were having, run to your spawn, rinse, repeat.
>>319221407
reserve shooter pyro is the fun police
>>319220993
>What is the Reserve Shooter
>>319221841
>>319221871
>Only counter is one of the most broken weapons in the game
But yeah you know targe is totally balanced
>>319223981
well can you get sticky with the targe?
>>319224150
You can use pills making the range limitation of melee a non issue.
>bbut stickies are better
Sure, but does that matter when the weapon can make a complete scrub an enormous pain in the ass to deal with just by having it on? It drops demos skill floor by a factor of ten and is easily the biggest crutch in the game being nigh impossible to kill unless you have a natascha or the reserve shooter.
>>319216278
Why do you even care? Because you thought you were skilled and he wouldnt recognize it as a good play and be sportsmanlike about it? People suck, deal with it, faggot.
>>319224785
i think its fine since it stops soldiers from fucking destroying you in less than a second also airblast is still a stong counter. im just saying i hate the reserve shooter not just when playing demo but any class that has me jumping a lot since i'm being punished by performing a basic movement option. it was fine on soldier since knock back for him is harder to do but pyro has fucking knockback as a basic command which we all now is not fun to fight against when it happens constantly.
>>319225478
>from fucking destroying you in less than a second
Targe gives you free crits, you can't be stopped by knockback, you move faster than anything else in the game, can retreat at any time AND you get pills. How is that not enough to kill a soldier? It takes 3 direct rockets minimum to kill a demoknight that's way too fucking much.
Airblast doesn't fucking matter if you have nothing to kill him with while he still has his pills.
>>319224785
I haven't been participating in this argument at all, I just saw your post on the front page. Dying to demoknights makes you a bad player. You should feel like you're bad at this game.
>>319225885
you can be stopped by knockback. if a soldier shoots a rocket at your feet and knocks you into the air your charge is gone. also with airblast you can still reflect pills. you could also use the regular shotgun as well.
>play pyro over the years
>all these bullshit nerfs and counters keep piling up
>every other class gets more love
>the best change is a detonator buff to jumps and the scorch shot not a useless piece of shit anymore
Would it kill them to make Pyro changes without sucking Demoman or Solly cock for once?
>>319226395
>play pyro over the years
yiff in hell
>>319226395
havent you seen all the demo nerfs recently? soldier is more of a problem now and scout can shit on demo much easier than before.
>>319226392
No that's ONLY the tide turner. Knockback does not stop the targe or screen.
>Reflect pills
Good luck landing two reflects, pills fire faster than airblast so after the first one you're screwed.
>Regular shotgun
Shotgun has falloff, pills dont.
>>319226283
>ad hominem
Nice argument
Maybe years ago when demoknight was a joke class but valve has continuously buffed him every fucking update. He has an answer to every scenario now. Even heavies, he can just slap on loch or loose cannon and shit on him. Remember when the screen was the only shield that could always crit?
>>319217659
kek
>>319226891
you cant stop the targe with bullets but you can stop him with explosive knockback if the blast sends him into the air.
source: https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Demoman_strategy#Chargin.27_Targe_.2B_reskins
>tfw natascha
>stopping charges dead
>shitting on demoknights, phlogs, and scouts
>>319226891
i can air blast any demo away, it doesn't matter what shield they are using.
>>319219015
>meanwhile your entire half-a-team-of-snipers flooded through the teleporter and stood near the cap, waiting for RED to walk around the corner.
When are lobbies going to be a thing officially?
The wait is tiresome.Stock Demo with pain train / Medic master race
>>319227702
Pretty sure this hasn't been true for a long time. I'll post proof in a min.
>>319228072
dont know how long but it's happened to me a few times and i've done it to others.
>>319227793
And then do what to him? Run away and hope you don't eat a grenade?
>>319227991
Eh, anything is miserable when you have a tard team.
>>319216278
>demomen that use anything other than the stock 2 weapons
lmao
>>319227113
I told myself I wouldn't make another post in this thread but here I am. Please show me competitive teams that make use of the demo shield over the sticky launcher. They don't because even post nerfs the sticky launcher is objectively better. I'm sorry you got rocked by a pubstar and I didn't mean to be as insulting as I came across- you're objectively not good at the game if you think that demoknight is a problem.
>>319228176
Two shot him with the reserve shooter that i always use.
I haven't played this game since, shit, 2010 probably. This looks nothing like how I remember it, is it ruined?
>>319227765
>playing Heavy
>>319228305
for awhile when the 100% turn rate with any shield was a thing high level competitive teams were running the targe because it was a better pick weapon than the sticks. Then you just had the pocket take up the demo's role.
it was fairly viable. The top of teams weren't doing it, and I don't think it was common in ESEA. mostly the joke that is UGC. It was still a thing though.
>>319228573
mostly the community is shit and there are hardly any good servers, gameplay is still good but some weapons are useless, stock is usually the best
I miss pre-nerf caber. Now there's no use for it.
>>319228891
>charge
>kill the over-healed Heavy and the medic with caber
>charge back to safety
man that was fun
>>319228429
Okay now you're just as much an asshole as he is. Congratulations.
>>319228835
huh so they didn't cock up balance fatally by introducing more weapons? I am surprised, might give it a go again, can't be too dead to play
>>319228950
Better yet,
>Go to a high-ceiling map, preferably Koth
>Take Caber + BASE + jumper
>Soar through the skies, then find a target, drop, crouch and smack a guy (usually snipers)
>jump away back to spawn
>hit the cabinet and repeat
Felt like I was the Batman himself
>>319229249
>doing this post nerf
its like you dont care if you get kills.
>>319216278
They're using the objective worst weapons in the game, anon. Cut them some slack. Demoknights are far and away the weakest "class" and they're played only by idiots and funfags.
why did they have to nerf the fucking caber? Whats the point of using it if you just use it as a panic weapon?
>>319229090
protip: join any critsandvich or Free Beer server (if you live near the east coast)
They're pretty good. Once in a while, depending on the game type/map you can find a good valve server.
>>319216278
>spy tries to trick me into stairstab
>don't fall for it and just fuck his shit up with shoty
>he calls me noob and retard for not failing for lame as fuck pub spy trick №100
>>319228050
There's like one person outside valve that got an invite to the matchmaking alpha. Hopefully there'll be more info soon.
>>319228167
>>319228072
Yep, like I thought. It launches him up but it doesn't stop the charge.
>>319229750
>I should get a free kill(s) for overextending!
>I should be able to do 450 damage with a shield crit!
fuck off
Anyone else hate those cancerous tf2 youtubers like Muselk that try to make new metas
>>319230739
Muselk is a perfect represenation of TF2.
A memespouting redditor windowlicker who thinks TF2 is about waving your dick around and throwing sandwiches at each other.
>>319229249
I recently got a 5 kill streak doing that. So much fun. Yeah 5 killstreak isn't big but with some retarded shit like base jumper, sticky jumper and caber I think it's pretty impressive. Also managed to fly to their spawn and destroy a couple teleporters, a sentry and the engineer who was building it
>playing MvM as Sniper, the only one on the team
>topping the scoreboard, consistently scoring explosive headshots on big robots
>guy playing Engineer keeps demanding I change class and saying I'm being useless
>he can't even protect his sentries from busters
I can understand situations like >>319227991 where playing Sniper when your team already has four of them makes you a faggot, but people get ridiculously butthurt over Snipers, good or bad.
>>319229724
you have no idea how to use the loose cannon and have never played anyone who does
>>319231146
Only in mvm, nobody cares in pubs because 80% of the playerbase are sniper mains.
>>319230734
>>I should get a free kill(s) for managing to hit someone at melee range with the third slowest class!
>I should be able to do 450 damage if I use it in tandem with the worst item in the game!
I agree, that is entirely reasonable. No idea why Valve nerfed it.
>>319231259
But unlike say, Spy, Sniper can actually be extremely useful in MvM.
>>319231182
You know what makes any grenade launcher a thousand times more useful, anon?
Sticky traps.
Guess what you can't have if you want your gimmicky MOBA cooldown gap closer?
>>319231374
Yes but you have to remember for every good sniper there's 10 bad ones.
>>319231365
>hit someone at melee range with the third slowest class!
Okay then by that logic soldier should be do 170 damage and heavy 200 damage. And let's pretend demo doesn't have a shield that makes him much faster than a BFB scout.
>with the worst item in the game!
Any item that lets you crit on demand, have the best mobility in the game, and heavy tier health is far from the worst unlock.
>>319230959
Early Muselk was tolerable if I remember right since he was just trying to imitate Star_ and Jerma. He is now unwatchable to me.Except for his mythbuster episodes. He never talks, usually has a catchy tune playing, and its generally interesting.Anything else is unwatchable crap.
I haven't played TF2 in two months. Did something new happen? Should I start playing again? I feel like I'm gonna suck after not playing for awhile
>>319227991
>pubs
Not even once
>>319231590
>any grenade launcher
you have no idea how to use the loose cannon
and have never played anyone who does
>>319231590
How many demos can actually use stickies effectively since the nerf? How often are sticky traps actually useful in pubs? How does having stickies keep you from using the loose cannon?
>>319217226
Exactly this happened to me once, he just kept doing it until I was dominating him.
>>319231682
>Okay then by that logic soldier should be do 170 damage
He can, it's called the Equalizer
>and heavy 200 damage
He gets garaunteed crits
>Any item that lets you crit on demand, have the best mobility in the game, and heavy tier health is far from the worst unlock.
I agree, the Direct Hit is incredible. Too bad demoshields are on a long cooldown and are countered by bullets, which every class but Demo has access to.
>>319231847
>>319231936
Reading comprehension is clearly not a required skill to post on /v/. Try rereading that post, slowly, and you might see what the point was.
>mfw using Vintage Skillsman and headshotting the demofaggot
Hey people, maybe stop playing on shitty Valve servers where this is even an issue? Stickies are still better than any of the charging shit
>>319231816
>pubs
>kids with minecraft/fnaf usernames with birth years 04,05,06
>guaranteed squeaker every game
i knew it was bad, but not THIS bad. just fucking nuke this playerbase
>>319232125
>He can, it's called the Equalizer
At 1 health, he does 107. More than likely at BEST he'll have around 30 which is 90. Still nowhere near caber.
>He gets guaranteed crits
If you manage to get a first kill, which most of the time you won't and costs you the GRU/FoS which both have enormous utility. Caber doesn't cost you anything.
>the Direct Hit is incredible
What the fuck are you talking about?
>Too bad demoshields are on a long cooldown and are countered by bullets
Demo has loch and loose cannon to snipe all the bullet classes well outside their range.
It's 12s per charge. A free kill or escape every 12s is huge. Please point to me any other item on cooldown that is anywhere near as useful as a shield.
>team getting mauled by pesky scout or demoknight
>go heavy and stick with the team, grab natascha to stop them.
>they get pissed off on chat
>they either quit or change classes after a while
Feels great. Incredibly funny how the demoman goes from 200% speed to 70% in less than a second.
For scout I had to wait for him to get close for the damage though
>Almost 2016
>still playing TF2
let go /v/
>>319224785
PTSD of pre nerf loch with targe crutch fags.
>>319233026
Still fun after 8 years m8
>>319230734
Are you conveniently forgetting the part where it has only 1 use and after that deals half the normal damage of a melee weapon?
>>319233026
But it's fun
>>319232834
not him but loose cannons range isnt as great as the loch or stock due to the detonation time.
>>319233170
Hey that's one handsome Soldier
>>319232505
>destroying the other team as scout on pub
>feels good since I was a 200hours in the game and felt like I was improving
>autobalanced
>other team consists of 4 talking kids micspamming.
>>319226395
>direct fire damage deals much more damage
>cone of fire decreased so you have to be more precise with the flamethrower
>afterburn lasts less
More fun to play as and against.
>>319233162
Demo never uses his melee except as a last resort when you're about to die. He's got 12 high damage projectiles after all. It's a straight upgrade over bottle in the case as you will most likely have died with either but the caber guarantees you at least 1 kill. Remember close range is supposed to be his weakness, caber removes this weakness.
With any shield you're getting to do 450 damage. That's a fully charged fucking headshot with splash damage.
And it has uses outside of that like getting a free kill on the medic at the beginning of the game, this was extremely common in HL and pretty much guaranteed your team the first point if you landed it.
It rewards the player for making mistakes which is something NO weapon should ever do.
>>319233917
you use battle axe instead of caber bruv
>>319229249
>tfw I have no use for my Arabic demo cosmetics and Allah ackbar soundboard
Fuck Valve
been a long time since I've played TF2, is the loose cannon that good? doesn't even look as good as stock launcher in the videos I'm watching
>>319233173
The maximum range of the loose cannon is 113 feet, that's nothing to sneeze it. Also if you know the max range you can get double donks consistently without ever charging it and it knocks the player away so they can't kill you. This is especially effective against heavies, you can keep pushing him out of range while doing 140 damage each time.
>>319234278
it's a good side grade and fun and skill-based but no, nades still outdamage it and have a higher versatility
>>319234278
It's just fun to play with. Stock is stronger though
>>319234278
It is one of the few weapons with the honor being banned in both HL and 6s, you tell me.
>>319234439
i know that but there are those few situations where theres a sentry built in a location thats difficult to get close too but this can be negated if you use the sticky launcher. if you have a shield you'll have a harder time.
>>319234278
if you can consistently double donk then its far more effective against players but falls flat against buildings. its probably the demos best side grade imo.
>>319231146
Hitmans heatmaker is so fucking good on mvm, It's a shame most people don't realize it.
>>319234812
The problem is again, demo is able to use pills with shields. It would be different if he had no way of damaging it but he never has to choose. Pills make the downside of having to use melee irrelevant.
>>319235471
pills are harder to aim than stickys tho. this is my last post because i dont want to reply to your bitching about demo shields anymore.
>>319235871
>harder to aim at a fucking stationary target
question for snipers: do you jerk your mouse around for shots or do you lead your targets carefully?
how close are you willing to gert towards a target to engage?
>>319235937
i was very clearly meaning players you nob i know sentries are easy to hit
>>319236161
Almost always go for flick headshots
Depends how good my aim is that day
>>319236161
not this guy but if any of you play sniper on hightower and run into spawn and stand there staring at the shutter at the first sign of danger you need to GROW SOME BALLS or disengage completely. Nothing makes me more salty.
>>319236161
I don;t even use weapon 1, I just Jarate and chop
Wi haven't played in a while
Who still /sickyjumper&ulapool/ here?
Who /engiemain/ here
>>319238504
Why would you after gunmettle? It's gotten so boring.
>>319236417
>Jarate and chop
It's so good. I never use the rifle, only pisschopping and arrow firing
Why do people like playing Spy and Sniper so much?
>>319239297
Sniper
>Low risk high reward no teamwork required class that can be played at any ping
Spy
>le sneaky secret agent man with his flashy knife tricks
Autist magnet
>>319216939
>being this wrong
>>319236371
who the fuck plays hightower seriously?
payload race is awful
So, what does /v/ think of mannpower?
I think it'sfun
>baw targe is OP
>baw tideturner is OP
Nobody ever posts about best shield.
It's like you don't like annihilating any class with one charge. Only downside is that half the time you just kill them with the shield outright so you can't get a head/more charge.
>>319243396
its still fun to watch their ragdoll get launched when you bash them
>>319243651
it never launches for me, they just fall down
I feel like ragdolls never really go anywhere for me unless it's my own.
>>319231816
not impressive
