Is Sonic 2 overrated?
>>319178846
Yes.
>>319178846
No.
>>319178846
Maybe.
>>319178846
Fuck Metropolis Zone
Sonic games look like ass. the textures and patterns are so shit.
You can't even tell where you are going.
>>319178846
Sonic 1,2, and 3 are slightly overrated. Personally I like sonic 2 the most but that's because I don't like the special stages and some of the levels in sonic 3.
FUCK CARNIVAL ZONE
Yes.
Worst of the original four.
They're all overrated. They were good, par for the course platformers back in the SNES/Genesis era. The only reason people still like Sonic is because SEGA marketed him as a cool blue Hedgehog with spikes and LEGO shoes and all sorts of shit people with autism really enjoy. That is the only reason that Sonic the Hedgehog is still alive.
I knew some autistic guy at my work who said that he enjoyed Sonic Boom for its STORY. He also likes to bring up all the fanfiction that he writes about Sonic the Hedgehog and Jimmy Neutron characters. These are the type of people that still support Sonic the Hedgehog.
There has never been a good sonic game. They're all trash. It's fine if you like them, but you like trash
>what is Sonic CD
>>319181720
The best Sonic game.
>>319181720
Sonic CD would've been perfect if they got somebody to do the level design that wasn't an intern.
>>319182037
Why is the level design bad?
>>319182037
Nah, the level design is OK for what it's trying to accomplish.
>>319179057
>>319179287
>>319179329
>>319179506
>>319180529
>>319181106
>>319181636
>>319181867
So did all of /v/'s shit taste pool into this thread or what?
>>319181867
i bet you like Sonic Advance 3
>>319182406
I didn't really like any Sonic game after 3&K.
>>319182346
That's what sonic does to people, it brings out the fucking trash
>nearly 30 years and there isn't a 2D Mario game that tops S3&K
STH3 & Knuckles was fucking perfection
>>319182545
That's a funny way to spell "trash"
>>319182693
spotted the Mario babby
>>319182771
>replying to shitty bait
>>319178846
the good sonic games: sonic 2, sonic 3&k, sonic advance 2, sonic advance 3, sonic colors, sonic generations, sonic rush and rush adventures
honorable mentions: sonic 1
>>319183541
and sonic cd
>>319179329
>textures
>Sega Genesis game
Neo-/v/, everyone.
Overrated in the sense that it's not the best Sonic game like some people believe, but it's not bad at all, and Metropolis Zone is unfairly hated.
>>319183898
>he replies to shitty, incredibly obvious bait
Neo-/v/, everyone.
>>319183541
>Sonic Colors
may nigga
Not an amazing game, but a pretty decent Sonic game after a sea of shit and fuck-ups. Minimal story, looks amazing for a Wii game, great soundtrack, interesting worlds, and decent level design. My only complaint is that it's a little streamlined compared to Unleashed/Generations, like only bring able to drift or do certain moves in specific sections of the level, etc.
>>319178846
Yes. It's an awful game, like all Sonic games, yet some people (mostly autists and furries) like it, meaning it is overrated.
>>319184001
>it's okay to be a gigantic retard if you're just pretending
>>319178846
3&K > 1 > CD > 2
2 isn't bad at all but I thought it was the weakest of the Genesis+addon games, unless you want to count shit like Spinball or 3D Blast which would be worse.Knuckles Chaotix > all
>>319185240
Wow that's some mostly shit taste
2>3&k>cd>1
Knuckles Chaotix is shitbut spinball is amazing
>>319186021
Spinball was terrible. It's probably the worst Sonic-branded Genesis game.
>>319178846
Out of the classic games? Yes
I think it's worse than 1 and 3&K(but better than CD overall)
Overall? No
>>319186318
>hating pinball
And no, that goes to 3d blast
Spinball>Dr robotnik's mean bean machine>knuckles chaotix>3d blast
S3&K >= CD > 1 >>> 2
>>319185240
You have some steaming hot shit opinions
>>319186021
>>319186964
You have a right to disagree, I just want you two to know you're good both good persons.
>>319182290
The problem with the level design in CD is that
Once you break the robot generator(and you either go to the good future or just finish the level in the past or present(doesn't matter)) all you have to do is run to the goal and that's when you notice the stages aren't fun to run around,are very short and feel very empty when you're just running forward to the goal which is a big flaw of this game
Good game but it could have been much better
>fags who place S3&K anywhere but the top
>>319183541
Holy fuck you're retarded
Sonic 1 is definitely better than trash like Advance 2 and 3,def better than the crappy Rush games and def. better than sonic colors and gens
And you don't fucking list Advance 1 which is far superior to 2 and 3 what is wrong with you?
Sonic 2 has the most casual fans.The kind of people who praise it as the best game in the series, but always stop playing after Casino Night Zone.
3&K > 2 > 1 > CDChemical Plant Zone has best music out of any zone though
>>319187780
>Chemical Plant Zone has best music out of any zone though
Most overrated song of the series by far
Hydrocity Act 2 wipes the floor with it
I think S3&K is clearly the best Sonic game, yet I find myself playing Sonic 2 way more
>>319178846
Yes, I was playing the 3D version and it had horrendous enemy placement. Often in places you can't avoid, especially in levels like Oil Ocean and Metropolis.
there's a lot wrong with it on a technical level
>>319188029
>Hydrocity
Not even the best song in Sonic 3, Ice Cap shits all over it.
>>319179287
I love Sonic 2, but holy shit this.
>>319189003
Meaning?
>>319188029
>>319189017
ahem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG5IefOfVeE
>>319189017
>Ice Cap shits all over it.
I really don't think you know what "shits all over it" means, figuratively or literally.
>>319189070
Meaning the level design, enemy placement, special stage entry fee and Tails are all shit.
>>319189131
>liking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4mCAGNvz4Y
man, you're crazy
For me it's the fact that that Sonic 1-3 have been part of my life for almost 20 years. I can't stand looking at them anymore. It all feels too familiar. But for someone who's never seen them before, they would love them. So no they are not overrated.
>>319189131
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WR3Eh516JQ
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_-ojXd013iw
Ahem
>>319181106
But I thought chris-chan was unemployable?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwlC89-X-oc
>>319189604
Fucking phone I knew it fucked up the link
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WR3Eh_516JQ
Yes.
The series only got better wiht time (for the old games obviously before it shat the bed)
CD>3>2>1.
>>319189687
>Chris
>enjoying boom
BLUE
>>319189017
Ummm yeah no
Ice Cap is overrated
I'll even take Canival Night and Launch Base over it
Hydrocity Zone Act 2 is the best theme in the franchise
Deal with it
>>319178846
Yes, CD was better in all regards
>>319189823
CD happened before 3 jackass.
I love Ice Cap Zone theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2OWC5Hosv8
>>319189761
mah nigga
>>319189887
You Hydrocityfags disgust me.
I bet half of you pronounced it "Hi-drah-city" as a kid.
>>319190113
Are you retarded or do you just not comprehend English?
>>319190113
Hydrocity has better music and is a way better zone(Ice Cap Zone act 1 is probably the most linear level in the game...not a big fan of it in terms of layout)
>>319190316
Hydrocity isn't even better than the 3 Super Sonic theme, and that was pretty bad.
>>319190261
Don't tell me you actually pronounced it like that.
>>319190113
>at first I thought Hydrocity was "hydro city" even though it is not a city at all
>I now realize it is meant to be "hydro + velocity"
>>319190518
>Hydrocity isn't even better than the 3 Super Sonic theme, and that was pretty bad.
Now that is shitposting
You want an award for that anon?
sonic 1:
>revolutionary
>fantastically designed stages
>rather antiquated thanks to sequels
7.5/10
sonic 2:
>an almost perfect sequel
>god tier OST
>smooth controls
>super sonic provided a genuine reward for collecting the chaos emeralds
>perfect 'little brother' game
>fantastic stage design aside from metropolis and wing fortress
8.5/10
sonic 3+K
>even better OST than 2 with a few song exceptions
>no stage is inherently obnoxious or bad, though they drag on and wear out their welcome
>bosses are all different, and have different challenges
>finding special stages and unlocking the super emeralds feels incredibly rewarding, and having an entire extra last boss for collecting them all is just the pinnacle of achievement
9/10
sonic 2 will always be my favourite because of nostalgia and personal reasons, but sonic 3 is the better game.
fuck no, its the best sonic
metropolis zone a SHIT, though
>>319189070
that other guy who responded to you wasn't me, i meant it's full of glitches and its development was fucked with missing/scrapped/changed content and whatnot
>>319190626
Are you saying you like the Super Sonic theme or that Hydrocity is better than it?
Either way you have shit taste.
>>319190518
>Don't tell me you actually pronounced it like that.
No one in their right mind would.
The only reason someone would assume that is if they did it themselves for years.
>>319190672
>Sonic 3&K
>Anything but a 10/10
Now that's just heresy
And come on
7.5 for Sonic 1? That's too low
More like 9/10
Tho personally if I were to rate them
Sonic 1=9.5
Sonic 2.9.0
Sonic 3K=10
Sonic CD=8.5
>>319190672
>Perfect little brother game
>Was the little brother>He's deadI always go into these threads expecting nostalgic fun, and then I just feel terrible.
>>319190972
Holy fuck kill yourself you goddamn faggot
It's a good game that has a pretty strong start and a strong finale, but a lot of the zones in the middle of that are kind of mind-numbing and boring to actually play through. I also don't like the special stages one bit.
>>319190996
as I said, sonic 3+K felt like it dragged on in several spots, and many of the bosses, while nifty, were either boring or stupidly easy.
it's not a 10/10 game.
sonic 1 is fantastic, but completely overshadowed by its sequels. one would say you shouldn't hold its sequels against it, but sonic 2 is what sonic 1 could have been, and I can't help but think of that.
>>319191092
Holy shit is it both?
How could you have such shit taste?
Sonic 3K is the best platformer of all time.
Sonic 2 is a great game.
It's also a fantastic casual filter. You can instantly tell someone is a fucking pleb at videogames if they complain about Sonic 2.
Sonic CD is similar to 2 in that it's a great game but instead of testing a person's vidya prowess, it tests how shut their opinion is. Anyone that runs through CD at the speed of light, finishes it, then complains about the level design has a terrible understanding of game design and shouldn't be taken seriously.
Sonic the Hedgehog is a solid platformer, but calling it great might be a stretch.3D Blast is alrightPinball is a cool concept that got half assedMean Bean Machine needs a prrrrromotion
Great Sonic games
>Sonic 2
>Sonic 3 & Knuckles (counted as one game)
>Sonic CD
>Sonic Colors
Good Sonic games
>Sonic 1
>Sonic Advance 1
>Sonic Rush (and maybe Rush Adventure)
>Sonic Generations
>Daytime levels in Unleashed
"Playable" Sonic games
>Sonic Advance 2 and 3
>Sonic Adventure 2
>Sonic Pocket Adventure
>Sonic Lost World (all it needs is fixed up controls)
>Knuckles Chaotix
>MAYBE sonic heroes (I personally think it's crap but a lot of people stick up for it)
Pretty much everything else is unplayable garbage. Bonus points to Colors DS for being not too bad apparently (haven't played), and the Game Gear titles for trying their best but failing miserably. Also Sonic R and Sonic 3D Blast had cool soundtracks despite being pretty shit. Everything else shat out by the Sonic franchise might as well have just not existed, the world would not miss them
>>319178846
No.
>>319191326
3D blast is god awful. The only thing it has going for it is the special stages on saturn
>>319183541
>Not liking Sonic's Schoolhouse
>>319191430
Drop sonic 2 to playable.
Because a high risk of soft locking with a new feature doesn't exactly scream great.
>>319190672
>sonic 1:
>>revolutionary
I love Sonic 1, but what did it revolutionize again?
>>319190672
I don't get why people always list 3&K like they're one game.
As far as I was concerned, S&K was a completely separate game that only added onto the previous two.
Also, I don't really think S3 was better. They tried adding too much stuff, and the level design suffered. A lot of stages were too layered, and required a bit of navigating as opposed to just GOIN FAST. Didn't involve much reflexes.
>>319190996
I don't get this. Sonic2 added a lot of mechanics and had a generally brighter/more varied color palette. Sonic 1 always looked really dull and washed out to me as a kid.
>>319191243
>as I said, sonic 3+K felt like it dragged on in several spots
Nice opinion, but for my money, if S3 drags on ever, what with the constantly changing OST, level gimmicks, act structure, variable level paths, then every other platformer REALLY drags on.
If it's not 10/10, I don't know what platformer is, and I've probably played to completion every notable platformer from gen 3/4/5.
sonic 1 is trash, even if it was the first game you played it isnt as good as 2, 3, or cd
sonic 2 is the best game
sonic 3 is good but not as good as sonic 2
sonic cd is in a totally different league
between 2 and 3 you will say which one is better depending on which one you played first (in other words everyone who says 3 is better than 2 is underage)
anyone who says cd is worse than sonic 1 obviously never played it, in fact, no one on /v/ played cd when it came out, they first played it when it got rereleased on steam
if you first played any of the games on gems collection or any other collection your opinion is invalid
>>319181720
>>319181867
>>319182037
this
CD and S&K are both better than 2
>>319191489
>3D blast is god awful.
It has the best OST in the franchise.
>The Saturn version...
Is terrible.
>>319191615
s3+k were developed to be one game, but due to time constraints and...I think hardware limitations, they needed to release half of 3, and then the other half a few months later.
they are one long game.
>>319191326
Kunckles was designed in the west and it shows. It's slower and glitch as fuck. Also it never worked with other sonic cartridges right. Sonic 3 is good but focuses more on power ups and platforming than speed. 2 is the perfect middle ground
>>319191243
Bosses were always shit on Sonic Games
If anything 3&K has some of the more interesting ones
And I never felt it dragged
Sonic 1 was better than 2
2 focused way too much on speed and not enough on platforming an exploration
And 2 felt very rushed and unpolished compared to Sonic 1
It had some sloppy levels like Hill Top,Oil Ocean and Metropolis
In Sonic 1 the only level you can claim is sloppy is actually Scrap Brain Act 3(which is just Labyrinth Act 4)
Sonic Zone Music Tiers (for the first four, which I've played)
>God Tier
Marble Zone
Chemical Plant Zone
Mystic Cave Zone
Hydrocity Zone Act 2
Flying Battery Zone Act 1 & 2
Lava Reef Zone Act 1
>Great Tier
Green Hill Zone
Metropolis Zone
Hill Top Zone
Hydrocity Zone Act 1
Marble Garden Zone Act 1
Mushroom Hill Zone Act 1
Doomsday Zone
>Good Tier
Star Light Zone
Emerald Hill Zone
Sky Chase Zone
Angel Island Zone Act 1
Sandopolis Tier Act 1
Death Egg Zone Act 1 & 2
>Decent Tier
Labyrinth Zone
Scrap Brain Zone
Aquatic Ruin Zone
Casino Night Zone
Wing Fortress Zone
Angel Island Zone Act 2
Icecap Zone Act 1
Sky Sanctuary Zone
>Subpar Remix Tier
Mushroom Hill Zone Act 2
Sandopolis Tier Act 2
>Boring Tier
Spring Yard Zone
Final Zone (Sonic 1)
Oil Ocean Zone
Death Egg Zone
Ice Cap Zone Act 2
Launch Base Zone Act 1 & 2
Lava Reef Zone Act 2
Annoying Tier
Marble Garden Zone Act 2
Carnival Night Zone Act 1 & 2
>>319191615
>I don't get why people always list 3&K like they're one game.
>As far as I was concerned, S&K was a completely separate game that only added onto the previous two.
Because they literally are, along with the fact that a lot of Snk shit was on the sonic 3 cart they were designed as one game but exceeded the maximum size of the carts.
only turboplebs disregard sonic 1, sure, sonic 2 had challenging sections, but fuck you if you shit on sonic 1
>>319191615
3 and S&K were always meant to be one game and should be treated as such.
>>319191326
Sonic 1 is great
>>319191430
>Sonic Colors
>better than fucking Sonic 1 and Advance 1
Just kill me
>>319191615
>I don't get why people always list 3&K like they're one game
Because it's one game by intention and concept.
The Walking Dead Season 1 is one game, released in 5 parts.
If you go in steam right now, you can't just play sonic 3, you can only purchase the full game.
>>319181106
Boom has the deepest lore in the franchise. The pause button is a secret superpower trigger, similar to Undertale's 'Determination'
>>319191576
Very rarely experienced any soft locks in the original Sonic Genesis games unless i was /trying/ to break the game. However, for the sake of argument, assume every game i listed exists in its best possible incarnation (so Sonic 2 would be the Taxman version, with Hidden Palace and numerous glitches having been ironed out)
>>319191748
having a good soundtrack doesnt save it from playing like shit
>>319190595
>at first I thought Hydrocity was "hydro city"
you mean it's not??
you have 30 seconds to post an OST better thansonic 06
This is 3 years old now but still relevant.
If anything it's more relevant than ever because it occurred before the leddit invasion.
>>319191717
>Sonic 3 not as good as 2
Kill yourself
>>319191926
Sonic 1 is good but not to my personal tastes. Sonic Advance recreates the old Genesis physics pretty well but is seriously lacking in any kind of real charm, graphically musically and in terms of new gameplay features
>>319190595
...no, it can't be.
>>319191846
>Annoying Tier
>Marble Garden Zone Act 2
>>319191326
>Mean Bean Machine
My nigga, I played this with all my normalfag friends and they always end up loving it.
>>319191846
I don't think any 3&K song was boring or annoying, really all the Genesis era songs fit the zones perfectly
>>319186756
3D Blast was fine outside of the slower pace. Had it been anything other than a Sonic game it would be considered a cult classic. Spinball was terrible even taken as it's own thing. The physics were fundamentally flawed, the board designs were atrocious, and the controls were sluggish and had significant lag. It was a bad game, period.
>>319191954
>Very rarely experienced any soft locks in the original Sonic Genesis games unless i was /trying/ to break the game.
You don't have to try, if anything being ignorant of it is the easiest way for it to happen.
If you jump after hitting the signpost at the end of the stage in two with the requirements to become Super You'll be left walking in the air and the game will never progress.
>>319191846
>Hydrocity above Ice Cap
>above Green Hill
>above Angel Island
Consider suicide.
>>319192275
Pinball is 2/5.
I'd say it falls under "ok" or "meh"
Gamegear pinball is bad
>>319191876
>>319191920
But they can be played completely separately.
And "what's on the cart" is irrelevant to what's actually accessible. S&K had an extra character, and had completely different stages. It wasn't even really an expansion, because it could be played completely independently of S3.
Besides, when you were a kid, did you really know that shit about S&K being cut because of limitations? I didn't when I was like ten years old.
My favorite Sonic game actually, for some reason. The levels are just the most memorable to me.
>>319192303
I'll check if this is fixed in the Taxman version of Sonic 2. I do remember this now that you mention it, but it seems batshit retarded for that to have actually made it to a release build
>>319178846
Every single 2D Sonic game is overrated shit.
Generations is the only genuinly really good Sonic game.
>>319192065
>lava reef losing to flying battery
this bracket is fucking bullshit
>>319192252
I made the list and I do agree with that. That list is within the context of the games.
>>319192014
It doesn't play like shit. At all. The controls are tight, the level designs are well done, and the game just plays well all around.
>>319192474
So being ignorant means that they weren't designed to be one game?
Are you retarded?
>>319192557
lol, good one ;^)
>>319192408
I grew up with Spinball. Even nostalgia goggles can't hide the fact that the game was terrible. It was shovelware.
>>319192065
>Casino Night beat Mushroom Hill
Mushroom Hill should should have gone on to lose to Chemical Plant in Round 3, IMHO
>>319192785
You sonicfaggots are the most unbearable little shits on all of /v/.
>>319192573
Lava Reef is padding bullshit
>>319192474
Well, the simple fact is that Sonic 3 and Sonic and Knuckles were intended to be one game. Most of the Sonic & Knuckles levels are in Sonic 3's code actually, albeit garbled and glitched out because nobody was supposed to reach it. The progression of the game too, from the lower watery areas of the island towards the higher, dryer, more volcanic parts of the island was clearly intended. Plus, all of Knuckles' routes in Sonic 3 were already put in there before S&K came out.
The problem is the way SEGA treats the two games. SEGA will treat them as two games when it suits them best (for example, digital downloads and so on), but treat them as one game when they want to do less work (Generations only having one level from S3K instead of two).
>>319192474
>when you were a kid, did you really know that shit about S&K being cut because of limitations?
Being an ignorant kid doesn't matter when the fact that they were from conception meant to be one game before cartridge space and their own creativity got in the way.
>>319178846
>Not doing sonic 2 on droids as a toilet game
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sega.sonic2
>>319192065
>Chemical Plant lost to Hydrocity
what the fuck
>>319189131
>>319189750
>>319189761
>>319190049
The two best zone themes belonged to Sonic and Knuckles.
https://youtu.be/_T7hdIh-gtw
https://youtu.be/X8mM_IP4ByM
>>319178846
>Is Sonic 2 overrated?
No
>>319192065
Is this for the music or the actual levels?
>draw a porcupine
>call it a hedgehog
>>319189017
>Ice Cap
why do people like this
>>319193771
Oh man, that image is fucking with my head even though I know it spells true
![Lava_Reef_Act_3[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/0J32z5W.png "Lava_Reef_Act_3[1].png")
>>319192990
Lava reef was the fucking best.
>Best visuals
>That god-tier theme for act 1
>That cooldown into act 2 (with an even BETTER theme, no less)
>The death egg's engines taking off re-igniting the whole zone just in time for the boss battle
Everything about Lava Reef is a 10/10, that last part in particular still gets me to this day
>>319187357
if you seriously think sonic 1 is better than advance 2, then you just have shit taste. especially if you think advance 1 is any better than its sequels
>>319193926
It's false and true put together.
Looks like they couldn't figure out how to do the r and a
>>319193673
It's supposed to be everything about the level, but I wouldn't doubt many voted based on music alone.
>>319194008
I love you can see the death egg in the background the entire time. 3&K had a damn good sense of level progression.
>>319193926
What? It totally spells false.
>>319193795
Because it was great?
>>319193926
False
>>319194269
There's fucking nothing to it. It's a boring, shitty theme.
>>319194008
In addition to that stuff, I like how it segues in Sky Sanctuary. The climb up to the temple and then the Knuckles/Robotnik tiff followed by using the teleporter. It felt surprisingly epic for Sonic game.
>>319194323
>shitty theme
Why are people like you allowed to exist
>>319194042
Not him but Sonic 1 is much better than any of the handheld Sonic games, and Advance 2 and 3 were mediocre as fuck. Advance 1 was far superior. You're letting yourself be fooled by all the shitty gimmicks the sequels added.
>>319194603
People with actual taste? I dunno, we're a dying breed.
>>319194323
>nothing to it
How the fuck do you figure? It has as much substance as any of the other themes and it fits the visual design of the stage perfectly.
>>319194725
So are people with an ear for good music apparently.
>>319194725
>people with shit taste are a dying breed
Thank god.
>>319193376
Also this is the best theme not from S&K.
https://youtu.be/3mqmN6mw4R8
>>319194725
You mean shit taste right? Unfortunately people like you are becoming more and more common.
>>319193376
>>319194984
i would like to be an edgy cunt and throw my opinion into the mix - the best zone themes weren't even from real zones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LseIASl1Pbk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SKcTZNeRnQ
although my actual favourite sonic games, musically, are Sonic CD JAP, Sonic R and Sonic 3D Blast Saturn.
>>319194764
>It has as much substance as any of the other themes
Whether or not you like what little there is to it (understandable since music tastes vary wildly and objective standards for music are generally total bullshit beyond some elements of mixing, and even then), that's simply not true. It has exactly two four-measure motifs that are the same exact cadence, that loop several times over, and over, and over again. The act 2 version of the song, irritatingly, changes almost nothing besides muting bits of the song in certain spots. The majority of the other songs in the game have an actual break of some sort, as well as a melody on top of their chord arrangements.
It fits the area well enough, but it's a really shallow piece, compared to a lot of S3&K's music. Death Egg Zone has kind of a really simple loop, but I find that it has a greater driving force to it.
>>319195932
>Sonic 3D Blast
Fuck ye-
>Saturn
>>>/out/
>>319196245
Sonic 3D Blast GEN had a good soundtrack too, I just have preference for the Saturn/PC tracks. I guess im just an edgelord :^)
>>319181106
>They were good, par for the course platformers back in the SNES/Genesis era.
They were actually the most technically advanced platformers of that era. No other game was able to come close to recreating Sonic's platforming engine. Knockoffs tried to make games based on Sonic's image and marketing and failed because those actually were just ordinary platformers with an edgy gimmick.
Sonic's slope physics and lack of static speeds added tremendous depth to the platforming and no other game had this. At best there were very crude and awkward attempts that fell laughably short.
On top of this, Sonic had god tier graphics, music, and style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih8c6I1zH7I
implying,
this level was as 90's as it got.
>>319192474
>But they can be played completely separately.
They can also be played completely together.
That means the game Sonic 3 & Knuckles exists.
And by all accounts, it obsoletes the other two.
Retard.
>Complete Metropolis Zone act 2
>there's a third act
Probably the biggest "what the shit" moment in games for me outside of experiencing MGS2's ending for the first time.
>>319178846
only in the sense that there are actually people out there that think its better than S3&K
3&K>2>CD>1
2 is my favorite game in the franchise and even I can admit 3&K is objectively better
>>319195932
>liking the multiplayer music
If I wanted hardcore Genesis twang I would play Zool or something.
>>319196714
This is the real reason why people liked the games, most people don't understand this/think it was the 2cool4school attitude of the character.
No other game at the time had physics like this
>>319194984
>>319194905
>>319194879
lol how did this thread collect so much shit taste in one place
>>319197949
You stated your opinion.
>>319197949
Don't know.
I mean how people can hate ice cap is beyond me.
>>319198176
yeah, my good, objectively correct opinion
>SEGA work with Taxman, who has the most complete and versatile recreation of the old Sonic engine
>He also has a solid understanding of Sonic level design, game design, and knows how to appeal to the Sonic fanbase because he's part of it
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsFHfrfQEbM
>SEGA still work with people like Richard Jacques, who was responsible for soundtracks such as Sonic 3D Blast Saturn, and Sonic R's instrumentals
>There are dozens of talented composers who can create Genesis style Sonic music
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOPM3jlyZWw
>There are plenty of people who could accurately recreate the old Sonic Genesis art style in HD, as was done with Sonic 2 HD
And yet, we will never get a good Sonic 2D game again, all because the old crusty dudes at SEGA are too proud and stupid to let those western baka gaijins show them up at their own game
What is truly overrated is that ear splitting, pseudo Michael Jackson music. I always preferred the Advance or Adventure style music. Or even the orchestral Unleashed one.
>>319198204
not liking shitty, shallow music is a good first step
>>319198228
>>319198337
Now you're just embarrassing yourself.
>>319198456
look man, I'm just shitposting
>>319196714
>>319197705
>slope physics
Lol, WTF are you autistic nigger fags talking about?
>>319198275
>all because the old crusty dudes at SEGA are too proud and stupid to let those western baka gaijins show them up at their own game
Even though this has happened repeatedly now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baF8PHSL-pM
>>319191846
>death egg zone
>boring
u fucking wot?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7GmRSMBi90
>>319198792
Overture looks awesome, yeah
The point being, if they ever let fans like Taxman make what is effectively an 'official' Sonic game, it'd be like official acknowledgement from SEGA that their own developers are incompetent tools and that two fans and a musician would 99% sure be able to do a better job. Which is all entirely true, but Japanese sense of pride in industry makes no fucking sense
>>319198595
If you don't understand this shit then you don't belong in a Sonic discussion.
Sonic had ball-like physics. There was a natural response to slopes and terrain that affected speed and jumps, and mastery of these physics made it possible for a player to accumulate speed and perform impressive platforming maneuvers. No other game at the time had anything like this.
>>319198595
>anon never helt down on the dpad while on a slope
>"niggerfags"
confirmed for newfag who has literally never played a sonic game
>>319199382
>falling for such weak bait
>>319199569
This is /v/, there are actually people on /v/ who believe that kind of shit
>>319200065
yes, but they're not so blatantly stupid about it. they'll angrily pretend it doesn't exist then shut up or pretend it's irrelevant when proven otherwise.
>>319199152
>>319199382
I actually played all the sonics from the genesis days when they came out, since I was at that age. I didn't play them again from the xbox marketplace like you fags did.
You're talking about a 20+ year old game and talking abut the "physics" of the engine like it's this mind-blowing thing that no one person in their right mind gives a fuck about. You losers need to get laid, seriously.
>>319200221
lol that's because it is irrelevant, if you give that much of a shit about it then you're clearly autistic!
>>319200301
>You losers need to get laid, seriously.
FILTHY FUCKING NORMIES
LEAVE! REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>319200507
>Rolled up sleeves
>Skinny jeans
Literally normalfag attire.
whoever drew this was a delusional faggot normie
>>319200301
So why did you come to this thread, baitfriend
oh wait
>>319200301
>complains about people caring about game physics
>tells /v/ to get laid
>expects sonic fans to not be hyper autistic about everything
>doesn't redownload every title shilled on the xbox marketplace
>>319200301
>>319190672
My nigga, I'm exactly the same as you. I feel that 3 & Knuckles is better but I prefer 2 for nostalgia.
And for anyone saying Sonic 1 is too low, try playing it again. After playing even just 2, it plays way worse and the amount of deaths caused by getting crushed is obscene.
>>319191846
>Hill Top Zone in Great Tier
You nigger that shit should be inGod Tier
>S3&K
best story & level progression(best water level)
>S2
best overall level design (except metropolis) perfect lenght for a single session game
>SCD
best art direction & music
fight me
>>319178846
Seeing has how it was the game that introduced mai waifu, no it is rated appropriately.
>>319201338
Why would I? You're right.
>>319178846
Yes because Sonic 3 & Knuckles is better in every way possible.
>>319202064
why is blaze so perfect?
>>319201023
>deaths caused by getting crushed
Unless you are completely terrible at the game such deaths are very infrequent. I just replayed the game like a month ago via the 3DS 3D Classics line.
>>319202664
She's not a slut like Rouge or insane like Amy
>>319201338
https://youtu.be/1K1rV9kFs6I
Excellent music although I don't really like the music for Act 2 of this level.
>>319203365
I like more Act1 instruments, but there is something that makes me like more Act2 tune for some reason
>>319201338
You forgot S1
>>319191846
>carnival night
>anything but god
>>319204330
I think it's not a bad game, but honestly the sequels always manage to surpass it in some way.
My biggest gripe for it are the "slow" zones break the rythm too much, and with 3 acts they manage to overstay their welcome much more than any S3&K zone.
To be fair the fast zones are very good, with designs very close to S2, and it already intrduced almost every aspect of a sonic game, even aestetically.
>>319192065
>deviantart makes a sonic zone bracket
retire that piece of trash
Sonic 2 is the best mainline Sonic game because it has great levels and still has a lot of challenge. I personally love S3&K much more, but the save system made it far too easy of a game. It has amazing levels, music, and progression, but there's no real punishment for dying or getting game overs. Also, the special stages are far easier than the ones in the other games.
The special stage rings in 3 are really obnoxiously placed and I hate how you have to do all of them twice
>>319209525
Having a save system doesn't make S3&K a worse game. That's trivial compared to the actual game.
>>319191846
>Launch Base Zone Act 1 & 2
>Boring
>Wanna beat S3&K
>Can't get the good ending or doomsday zone without unlocking super sonic
>Don't want super sonic because it makes the game piss easy
why
>>319209525
>but the save system made it far too easy of a game.
Why not pick the no save option then?
>>319211064
get sonic 3&K complete hack, set super sonic activation on a+band use some self-control. You can still have the insta-shield and play normally with the seven chaos emeralds
>>319211064
If you give up your emeralds to allow access to the super emeralds, you can't go super sonic I'k pretty sure.
No. It's a great platformer that still holds up. Pick up a pad and play it today. You'll still have fun unless you're some contrarian faggot.
I'd argue Rocket Knight Adventures is a better action/platformer but this is /v/. We don't play or discuss games.
>>319212007FBZ Orignal or Prototype order?
>>319212370
Not him, but prototype order nigga. It's the way it was meant to be.
>Some Youtubers who have been proven to be awful at video games in general start saying Sonic games are bad
>Majority of shitters on /v/ now shifts their opinion to agree with them
Don't even say this has always been the case you fucking shit posters.
>>319212370
be the absolute madman and go for prototype
>>319200301
>You're talking about a 20+ year old game and talking abut the "physics" of the engine like it's this mind-blowing thing
It'd mind blowing that we're 20 years later and not a single developer or even the original publisher has managed to replicate the original mechanics faithfully outside of very few fan projects.
>>319212370
I go prototype. It's a small change but I think it makes the game a bit more refreshing.
>Xbone gets reverse compatibility
>use it as an excuse to replay CD
>Wacky Workbench in general
>the lead in to the final boss with its bottomless pits and spinning platforms
>>319213125
The stage was more difficult than the boss itself
What a fucking let down
>>319198275
This is a much better track form that album, m8.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ycFipNnwiM
So we know that Flying Battery was supposed to be inbetween Carnival Night and Ice Cap.
But isn't the transition from Mushroom Hill to Sandopolis a bit awkward?
>>319213350
CD just had really poor bosses in general
>pinball machine that can take an hour, or could be won in two flips
>a fucking treadmill
>bubbles
>>319209525
Sonic 2 had piss poor enemy and hazard placement. It pretty much required you to memorise the layout if you wanted to get through unharmed which you need to do if you want to get those emeralds oh and the tax of all your rings die entering.
Don't get me wrong I have many a nostalgic memory about it and it was my first game but it's shit because you're fighting with the mechanics.
The safe function in 3 did nothing but ensure you didn't lose your progress. And it's not like you could save scum because any special rings you go through are gone permanently if you fuck up until you complete the game if I remember right and it places you back at act 1 of you reset before finishing the whole level.
>>319212664
The adventure games were iffy at best though. Honestly had Sonic Generations hadn't come out I would have told you the last good sonic game wassonic rush
>>319213639
>Sonic 2 had piss poor enemy and hazard placement. It pretty much required you to memorise the layout
It did not. The only zone where it was a disaster was Metropolis Zone.
>>319213427
>Not Metropolis Zone
and you're wrong, Hidden Hangar is better.
>>319213665
Sonic Rush Adventure was better than the first Rush, faggot.
>>319213427
>If we slap the same instruments on our over produce piece of shit, it'll sound just like Sonic games!
>>319213912
>>Not Metropolis Zone
That's not part of the Sonicesque Vol. IV album.
>>319213932
Never played it, my b Anon.
>>319213865
And oil ocean
And Mystic Cave especially for the enemies that become invincible
Hell even Emerald Hill has with the placement of the monkeys.
>>319193142
>Still haven't released Sonic 3 and Knuckles on the driod.
>>319215639
And they never will.
>>319215884
Why? Can they not get it to work?
anon, whats the name of reaction face for reviewing a game series? i cant find it.
>>319216160
Music rights bullshit.
>>319216340
This?
>>319216516
yeah, thank you anon. you ar great!
>>319214065
It was calling that song "Not Metropolis Zone" because it sounds very similar.
>>319216516
Do you have this ones for music and movies?
>>319216160
They definitely can, in fact the same guys behind the recent mobile ports of Sonic 1 and 2 made a prototype for S3&K using the same engine to see if Sega was interested. Unfortunately, legal issues involving some of S3&K's music is what's keeping Sega from re releasing it in the same manner outside of selling it as a rom running on an emulator like the Steam version.
.
>>319217236
It's really weird because they already do have some extra music they could put in place of the problematic tracks.
But I guess doing that would raise quite a stink.
>>319191846
>Boring Tier
>Launch Base Zone Act 1 & 2
You being gay online again, son?
