Project M what actually happened.
Uncencored pastebin:
http://pastebin.com/9KNDK25u
Proof it's real since removed by reddit mod:
http://i.imgur.com/yPCNppQ.png
>>318774187
dayum shame
>>318774187
>not releasing exclusively on end user sites (bb's, trackers, usenet, etc.)
>not keeping anonymous
>if it's absolutely, positively necessary to have a website, not using a Jamaican, Slovakian, or Ukrainian server
Serves those dumbasses right.
>>318774187
>Sakurai mad that a bunch of kids with no money can make a better game than him with all of Nintendo resources.
>tfw you don't give a shit about smash bros
>All this whining over a stupid fanmod
Those PM people really think they did something impressive or meaningful don't they? Fucking losers.
>>318774187
>Knuckles or Isaac won the Character Vote contest
>>318775767
>better
>>318776164
what didn't you like about PM
>>318776585
>PM
>Not better than Sm4sh
>>318776649
>PM
>better than Sm4sh
>>318774187
Good riddance.
The entire community around PM have always been a bunch of entitled fuckers.
>what do you mean I'm not allowed to reverse engineer a video game ;_;
>all those people yesterday saying that Nintendo dindu nuffin
>>318774187
Thats kind of sad.
If only someone at Nintendo would actually fucking realize that they have this awesome competitive platform to market to. I mean look at what these guys accomplished, and they are nothing more than glorified fans with art and coding experience.
>>318776968
The smoking gun was the fact that they had to stop downloads of it
>>318776712
The only smash game below 4 is brawl though.
In terms of gameplay at least, which is the only thing that matters to me.
4 has a better roster and graphics.
>b-based Nintendo shutting down mod development
>who needs mods? PMfags btfo
I like drinking autist tears as much as the next guy, but I'm not sure why Nintendo setting precedent that they refuse to allow free modifications is a good thing.with that said, the butthurt is delicious
So it's literally Nintendo's fault. Fucking cunts. It's boycott time.
>people so angry that Sakurai didn't cater to them and make Melee 2.0 that they hack Brawl to death to bastardize it into Melee 2.0 and act like they're God's gift to man for taking someone else's work and changing it into a buggy mess
>get upset when the company that owns the game tells them to stop fucking around with their IP
Bunch of whiny babies needed a dose of reality.
>>318774187
>Proof it's real since removed by reddit mod:
That's your only proof? They probably get a fuck ton of shitposting when things like this happen and unlike here they probably have decent moderation.
Until something comes up to cement it as fact it's bullshit like the rest of the claims.
>>318774187
>Company quashes fan mod to protect its intellectual properties
How completely shocking and unprecedented. Is this a slow news day, or what?
>>318777215
Nintendo didnt do shit this time tho.
They want to kill PM to work in an original game made by an ex-EA executive, wavedash games.
>>318776968
>>318777305
you know they're well within their legal rights to do what they did, right?
>>318776729
the people in smash community are legit autistic anyways, its kind of sad seeing a majority of them playing, and I feel bad
>>318777398
Of course they are, I'm just laughing at the idiots who believed that they stopped out of their own free will instead of legal threat
>>318777398
To be gigantic cunts to their own fans? Yeah I knew that
>>318777398
Fuck them for pushing their shit rape of the best fighting game ever made and forcing the PM heroes to stop under threat of jail. Jews, no better than all the other game companies.
>You lived long enough to see Nintendo go from the best in the business to downright incompetent to straight-up cunts
>>318777372
None of that is true you retard. Pmdt had nothing to do with wavedash games.
The op has the real story.
>>318777372
that is if you want to believe some random internet rumors spawning from twitter over the words of one of the main members of the dev team.
>>318777560
a little melodramatic, kid
>>318777562
I'll let you know when it happens.
>>318777361
Has anyone ever actually gone to court for making mods?
Like every mod project when faced with a C&D just shuts down and avoids any further trouble.
I mean, while Nintendo is well within their legal rights to do so, sometimes it still doesn't hold up in court, especially if you're suing for a exorbitant amount or something. Plus, sometimes I wonder if some companies are actually willing to go through with it, because it can result in horrific PR if enough fans get pissed about it.
>>318776649
PM is just Melee with a different skin.
TLDR me.
>>318777562
What would you do if people raged and whined about the games you made for not being what they wanted them to be and actively hacked and changed what you've created to suit their vision while saying they know better than you do and constantly call you a shitty hack who hates them for removing glitches?
>>318777361
I guess the fact that it was exceedingly popular and had been left alone for years makes it newsworthy. We all knew this was a possibility but i think most people who cared figured if nothing had happened at this point there wasnt anything to worry about.
oh well
>>318777737
Nintendo are Jewish cunts. Same shit different day
>>318776164
It was impressive, to be honest. but they knew they were going into dangerous water. in the end, the success of their production was ironically the worst thing that could happens to them.
>>318777787
Leave them to their devices?
>Our decision was very obviously based upon legal threats/reasons and we tried to play it off like it wasn't even though our blogpost basically said "Hey, we're shutting down Project M but it's not for legal reasons. Here's our lawyer and we took down the website and all the DLs, bye!".
The sad part is that people here actually believed them even though it was so obvious
>>318777398
They were also well within their legal rights to try to bar Melee from being streamed at EVO 2013, doesn't mean they weren't being cunts.
>>318777737
Internet rumours that aren't confirmed.
>>318777110
I think Nintendo was very aware of all that, but in the end, the very existence of that PM threatened the inclusions of other licenses.
>>318777730
You're incredibly naïve if you think that
>>318777916
A business has an obligation to protect their IP on behalf of their stockholders. Welcome to the real world sucker
>>318777730
Have you ever played PM? It is so different.
>>318775454
I Mugen doing all of what you are doing?
Then again, it has its own coding. the big issue with PM is that it was using Brawl code.
Nintendo is everything we should hate about the console companies. Why they get a pass on here and even leddit for treating their fans and modding communities like shit is beyond me.
>>318777993
>yfw it was Square that forced Nintendo to shut it down
Makes a lot more sense since it happened right after the Cloud reveal and Nintendo themselves could have shut out down years ago.
>>318777787
well obviously if my fans loved my work so much that they took it upon themselves to improve upon it and put their own spin on it then the only rational reaction is to throw a tantrum and force them to stop under threat of fucking their lives forever both financially and legally.
>>318778205
>Why they get a pass on here and even leddit for treating their fans and modding communities like shit is beyond me.
Not that they've done anything to the communities working for free. It's always ones that are trying to earn money from their IPs in which case they have to act or lose the rights.
>>318778131
So people watching/getting hype about playing their game is detrimental to he company? Are YouTube videos also hurtful? Of course not, if anything it's free advertising. But Nintendo has no clue what they're doing
>>318776231
Isaac is a likely victor
>>318777916
>stop picking on my heroes, they do good against the evil corporations, they're the modern Robin Hood!
>>318778474
>if anything it's free advertising.
>giving let's players the game and console for free is "Free" for the company
You're a fucking idiot.
>>318777871
From a business standpoint that's retarded
>these guys are making a supposedly better product than us using our own IP without permssion
>it's also free and competes with our own IPs sales
>it also jeopardizes our ability to license other IPs because their creators may be worried about them getting stolen
>>318778435
I cant imagine anyone who would say brawl is better than PM.
>>318774187
One: just because the mods removed this does not mean it's true. The mods also removed the wavedash games 'truth' post, which is mutually exclusive with this. They were both removed and cannot both be true.
Two: where did you get this? Are you part of the DFW scene? It's pretty clear who made the post, so presumably you're someone he knows?
>>318778474
>So people watching/getting hype about playing their game is detrimental to he company?
Read the OP. It's about the inclusion of IP that doesn't belong to Nintendo but to other companies, yet functioning on what is still basically Nintendo code and a Nintendo.
The owners of the Non-Nintendo IP don't feel as comfortable with Nintendo with how the image of their IP get treated.
>>318777737
Reliable source came to PM devs and told them that if they continued, Nintendo would skip the C&D phase and go straight to lawsuit. Guy suspects this is happening now because Square Enix pressure or the upcoming Direct introducing content that PM has.
>>318778673
When did I imply Nintendo would give people anything? I was solely commenting about people streaming a tournament of a game or uploading videos of them playing that game on YouTube.
>>318778279
You think writers like fanfics and slashfics involving their characters?
>>318778415
That's not remotely true. One, the PMDT made no money at all. If any money was made it was by TOs. Two, Nintendo has C&D free games before.
>>318778756
Look as long as it's slandering Nintendo these people won't care about whether or not it's fake.
Might as well let things take their course and wait for them to complain about the next travesty in gaming. Of course /v/ is the kind of group that revels in mediocrity.
>>318778889
It's their IP dude. Whining like a little bitch isn't going to change that
I voted Isaac
does that mean I potentially shut down PM?
>>318777719
They could make a case and very well win it. Fans and modders just don't have the money to fight so big companies get to bully them as they see fit.
>>318779025
So why bring up Nintendo giving stuff away for free?
>>318778995
There's actually pretty good odds this is true. I know the guy who this post is supposed to be written by and if it's fake it's a pretty good one. That's why I'm trying to get source.
>>318778963
>Two, Nintendo has C&D free games before.
Not him but they haven't.
They've only c&d games that aren't free or are being used to shill something.
Like that HD SM64. He was using Nintendo's product to promote his own code.
>>318777631
both have the same weight anyway
>Getting something deleted by a Reddit mod is somehow proof
???
>>318778715
>>these guys are making a supposedly better product than us using our own IP without permssion
since it wasnt being sold one can argue fair use. The PM guys have a legitimate legally sound case here, its just that no matter how good your position is you as a private person cant oppose the legal force nintendo can put out.
>it's also free and competes with our own IPs sales
it competes with sm4sh, but to play PM you still need a wii and a copy of brawl. Nintendo products still need to be purchased to play PM (unless you are talking emulation on the PC but thats a whole different subject)
>it also jeopardizes our ability to license other IPs because their creators may be worried about them getting stolen
this on the other hand is the one that makes the most sense. This wasnt done because PM was any sort of threat/danger to nintendo or their IP's, but rather for inter-company PR purposes. Sad but it makes sense.
>>318774187
>"Very reliable source"
Right..., and Chrom is totally going to be a playable character is Sm4sh. I mean, very reliable source, how can you not trust the words of someone posting on the internet?
>>318775980
>tfw you don't care about smash bros either
>tfw you think it's funny seeing "b-but melee is the best!" fags get BTFO
>>318778901
depends. Some do some dont. As i understand it, in the writing world its generally considered pretty pretentious to consider your work above parody.
>"only i have the latest build and the tools to completely alter project m"
>all the shit was leaked last night on /v/
>roy's alt was fixed
>ZSS was fixed
>Lyn was fixed
all in less than an hour
I hope they all get sued. Serves them right from not making it open source and more community driven. Bunch of elitist fucks.
Does this mean they will also do something about this too?
>>318774187
This had to happen eventually, at least this explanation sounds plausible. Still going to play 3.6 until the end of days or until something better releases, which will also happen eventually.
I feel sorry for the developers though, what they did may have been wrong but at least it lasted long enough to be left in a decent final state. Hopefully they don't get fucked out of existence, that would leave a bad taste when playing PM.
>>318779927
Hopefully
There are people that exist TODAY, RIGHT NOW, ON THIS PLANET, who believe that there is literally anything wrong with modding
EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPER THAT IS AGAINST MODDING IS CANCER
End of it
While I think its hilarious that the PMfags got BTFO, I can't say I'm fond of a company trying to shut down a mod/mod community. Would have been better if the team imploded in on itself or something, I dunno.
>>318779315
actually considering it this way makes a lot of sense. Nintendo generally doesnt care about free fan projects, but SquareEnix has been known to kill them just for the sport of it.
I thought the idea that clouds inclusion spurred this was crazy but in that light the connection is pretty solid
>>318779927
Only when it's 90% done
>>318777596
>nintendo fags so autistic that they want to stop modding
what the fuck
>>318777787
>hacked and changed
IT'S CALLED MODDING
I WOULD SUPPORT IT
MODDING IS NOT SOME CRIME THAT GOT INVENTED TODAY, IT"S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS ACTUALLY RESULTED IN CREATION OF A LOT OF VIDYA AND OFTEN TIMES DEVS GET IDEAS FROM GOOD MODS
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?
>>318780094
if it's not a mod what is it then?
>>318780158
It's not modding though. It requires reverse engineering of proprietary resources, so it's well within the rights of Nintendo to C&D.
>>318780171
le ebin meme game that doesn't count as per traditional /v/ mental gymnastics
better question. wheres the link to the version 4chan fixed up yesterday?
>>318780269
This is moddiing, though.
Believe it or not , but modding is not limited to game whose code it open source or had level builder included.
>>318780094
PM is a mod the same way Counterstrike was a Half-Life mod. That is to say it is absolutely a mod by pretty much all definitions though granted it does exceed the scope of the average mod.
Nintendo should have done with the PM team exactly what Valve did with the Counterstrike team i.e. buy the rights to the mod and hire the dev team
>>318780094
PM is a mad, seriously I don't understand how it's not a mod.
I honestly don't give a fucking about nintendo vidya, but coming from and old PC scene I don't see how modding can be seen as bad thing by the fanbase in any way, shape or form.
Honestly, do you hate freedom? Do you want to be monitored and controlled 24/7?
If the PM people were so smart and resourceful, why didn't they make their own Smash Bros from scratch with all the stuff they wanted in it instead of taking Brawl, overwriting some lines of code, and boasting that they were so much better than Sakurai and Nintendo for making Melee 2.0?
>>318780269
You mean like, they actually modified the game?
>>318780378
sure but it's illegal modding
>>318780269
/thread
>>318780487
illegally.
>>318780094
>>318780269
>>318780341
PM is a mod, again the same way Counter Strike is a mod
Modding isn't fully comprised of only developer given modding tools and such, any game modifications done by fans, technically even ini file tweaks can be seen as modding depending on how wide you definition is.
>>318780269
Isn't all modding a form of reverse engineering?
I have an important question
I've never downloaded a release of PM, but did they release it as a standalone game, or was it strictly a mod you had to own brawl to use?
>>318780269
>It requires reverse engineering of proprietary resources
pretty sure that's true if pretty much every game not explicitly coded with mods in mind
>>318779427
>This wasnt done because PM was any sort of threat/danger to nintendo or their IP's, but rather for inter-company PR purposes. Sad but it makes sense.
Especially sad considering SEGA (or their company rep, at least) gave their blessing for Knuckles to show up in PM. If this is all Squeenix's fault (and it could be, they're the biggest pissbaby company in the history of pissbabies), I'll be super pissed. I never even wanted Cloud in Sm4sh.
>>318777110
It probably implies a Melee esque mode might come out for SSB4 or in possible NX version.
>>318780612
not when you're given official mod tools, no
>>318780479
when did they ever boast about that?
>>318780589
the fuck do you mean by illegally?
majority of old modding scene before mod tools were a proper fucking thing involved shit like what PM did and no one made a fuss about it
again most of said modding teams were encouraged and ended up as devs
>>318780615
You need a copy and a hacked Wii or emulate it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRGuCY61vBI
Is this guy accurate?
>>318780505
modding is not illegal
>>318780615
if you own Brawl you can simply load it from an SD card, otherwise you have to mod your wii or create an iso out of brawl to play on Dolphin
![tumblr_lonbicnA9j1qzalfko1_500[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hYS2QJi.jpg "tumblr lonbicnA9j1qzalfko1 500[1]")
>>318780602
except PM is an illegal mod. CS is officially supported. big difference
>>318780479
Why are nintendo fags so bitter?
>>318780681
>Modding is modding only if official modding tools are involved
So modding before 2000's wasn't modding?
Nice to know that I am dealing with retards here.
>>318780615
you must use it alongside brawl. It uses the brawl engine and a decent bit of its code still.
>>318780743
Well, he made this to start with:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNqKjtECbOc
>>318780615
They only ever released it officially themselves as a mod that required a Wii and physical copy of Brawl.
>>318780759
Not federal ass rape illegal, but it violates the TOS. Companies have a right to defend their IP.
>>318780740
>>318780779
>>318780828
>>318780854
Okay thank you, that answers my question
That does seem pretty bullshit, I should be able to do what I want with games and hardware I bought
>>318774187
>Lol that subreddit is bullshit, the PMDT has a bunch of people and tools that only we own.
>Without those tools, it would be incredibly difficult to make progress on PM, and that's not even factoring in how fucking retarded most people would be in a public PMDT.
wew
way to talk about people who are/were interested in continuing this
>>318780787
What you are basically saying is that
>Valve are not dicks and hired modders
>Nintendo are dicks and decided to shut down modders
>>318780826
don't be stupid, plenty of games had mod tools before 2000
>>318780602
Perhaps it's a difference in culture?
Somehow I don't see anything like what happened with Counterstrike happening with a game in Japan, unless there are a bunch of examples I can't think of at the moment.
Perhaps in Japan it's seen as insulting to suggest that you can do a better job designing a game that they released, especially if it's coming from the west?
>>318779427
You're not completely getting my point about the whole "free better competitor" thing. By existing as a free competitor, with a reputation by some of fans of the series as a "better game than the newer one," it dissuades series fans from buying the new game in the series.
PM doesn't need be making money in order to hinder profit, but the extent is much further reaching. Competing with Sm4sh is a big deal from a commercial standpoint, Sm4sh is a console-mover so for many fans of the series it may involve the sale of a new console in addition to the new game. Then, because they have the new console, they may look at picking up more new software titles. By hindering that, they're potentially hurting all other sales. Far-fetched, sure, but companies have had even more retarded decisions based on less data.
>>318780787
Okay I'm taking the bait, how is PM illegal on any sense?
Team Fortress 2 Classic is a TF2 mod with leaked source code from the actual game, but Valve allowed that one to slide. Isn't PM the same way?
>>318780954
>I should be able to do what I want with games and hardware I bought
You know you don't actually own the hardware and software right?
Is this the best version?
http://smashboards.com/threads/project-m-patt-edition-development-permanently-discontinued.335820/
>>318781050
they weren't going to use those assets for anything anymore and it's not nearly as popular as pm was
pm was still thriving and living and people were playing it and they kept adding new content from third parties who as the pastebin mentioned would raise concerns about whether or not they can safely put their characters in nintendo's hands
>>318780971
Valve supported Source modding, given they actually released mod tools. Nintendo did not. Not very shocking what happened, in retrospect
>>318781050
It's illegal because Nintendo said so.
>>318780826
because they're too delusional to accept the fact that nintendo has been going straight down the shitter since wii
>>318780505
Modding is never illegal.
You'd be doing illegal things if you were editing the executable files of the game.
Instead, modding affects the games data files, the big data storage for the game exe.
>>318780990
Not true, majority of games even post 2000s don't have modding tools yet they are modified visually or in other ways quite often.
I really doubt this. Nintendo is going to sue a bunch of broke faggots immediately for something thats been going on for YEARS, when they could just as easily quash the thing with a C&D?
I can understand them nixing things with the threat of it being hung over their heads but no company isn't going to go 0 to 100 like that over some fags with no money to begin with
>>318774187
if that's true, Nintendo was actually pretty nice
>>318781194
Not really
>>318780787
>>318780589
>>318780505
modding is not illegal. They're not making money, not illegally distributing a copyrighted game, not claiming assets as their own
>>318781069
I have a copy of the game and a console to play it on.
Companies that make you sign your ownership rights away to use their products are terrible no matter what.
TL;DR
A bunch of fans got together and made Brawl more like what people actually wanted and Nintendo's all upset that they don't know how to make half-decent competitive games.
rofl get fucked pmdt this is what happens when you buff Mr. C&D too much
>>318781275
yes really
>>318781276
it sure is if the company forbids it
>>318781205
It's less of Nintendo's fault and more of Square's. I mean, PM has been going for years and Nintendo hasn't cared one bit but when cloud rolls up suddenly they get stomped.
>Free mod that requires an actual copy of the game to play
>They're gonna sue us :(
Somebody feel free to explain how that would work.
>>318774187
>posting censored text
Hi plebbit!
>no legit confirmation that nintendo was going to do anything
>FUCKING NINTENDO U'RE SHIT ALALALA
unless this guy was an insider in which case he easily could have just sent a c&d to irrefutably put them down, and even then it doesn't make sense
>>318781278
>Companies that make you sign your ownership rights away to use their products are terrible no matter what.
Oh so you mean what's been happening since games were a thing?
It being Square's fault makes a lot of sense.
>>318781378
Companies can't make laws.
>It's okay when Nintendo does it!
You Nintendrones literally make me physically ill.
>>318781473
Just because it's common doesn't mean it's okay.
>>318781426
not to mention a modded Wii. Why would Nintendo support something that encouraged illegal modification of their hardware?
>>318781378
So if a company forbids you lending or selling a physical copy of your game it becomes illegal to do so?
>>318781278
>I have a copy of the game and a console to play it on.
That isn't owning the hardware or software. All rights to those go to the company that made it in the first place.
>>318781469
To be fair they're calling it a very reliable source.
I'd have to imagine it's an insider.
I mean nintendo sued a guy over a really bad pokemon party. It's not that hard to believe.
>>318781560
It worked on both hackless and hacked though, so it was completely legitimate.
>>318781527
just because you want it doesn't make it right
>>318781560
>Requires a modded wii
Nope
>>318781560
where are you retards getting this "modding is illegal" bullshit?
The only thing modding your Wii does is void the warranty
>>318781469
well depending on how you look at it that was their C&D, especially if it was info they got from an insoder
Pretty sure at this point that wiiztec's gonna be in some serious legal shit.
>>318781276
>>318781378
>>318781510
It's technically not illegal. The PMDT would go bankrupt from the lawsuit even if they managed to win, though.
>>318781649
Just because you think so doesn't make it wrong
>>318781560
But you don't...
It just boots from the SD card on the stage builder. Or was that only in older builds?
fuck mods! fuck the user freedom! nintendo pls rape my asshole!
>>318781612
>I mean nintendo sued a guy over a really bad pokemon party.
>TCP is Nintendo
Anyway that was a little more justifiable. The dude was using their assets to advertise the party that was pay to enter.
I'd he had used fan art and such he would have been in the clear.
Project M always had the lowest amount of participators at tournaments out of the three games, didn't it? So who fucking cares? Why are people pretending it was anything worth crying about?
>>318781874
lmao
>>318781763
And Nintendo would be dense to try to squeeze money out of a bunch of teenagers/young adults working for free instead of simply issuing a C&D
>>318781763
This.
It really doesn't matter that it isn't illegal (well it sort of depends on what Nintendo would be suing for) but there's no way a bunch of modders could have the resources to fight off Nintendo.
>>318781792
That's just how it works.
Why can't people just accept that there isn't enough space in the competitive scene for PM anymore between Melee and Smash 4.
I don't believe this story for a second, the devs probably just got tired of putting all this effort into something they don't earn any money from, and some fucktard is trying to stir up drama with Nintendo because of how fucking boring his life is.
Guys, what if Nintendo is planning to put out Knuckles as DLC for smash 4?
Think about it for a second, it's highly plausible.
Knuxs is #3 in popularity polls, falling behind Sonic and Shadow which are already in the game.
Capcom has 2 reps now, so Sega having 2 reps is not that impossible.
Knuxs may have forced Nintendo's hand.
>>318781967
but they know they dont have to, the threat is good enough and thats the point
>>318782018
PM was never in the scene.
>>318781309
>more like what people actually wanted
>>318782072
Isn't Shadow still just an assist trophy?
>>318781929
>>318782018
It's about fucking freedom of your fandom to simply modify a fucking game
>>318781929
It's actually the healthies it's been for a while (until now). If everyone wasn't so scared of big bad Nintendo it would have more entrants, but tournament organizers are scared to host it and it can't be streamed on Twitch very easily
>Nintendo makes shitty unbalanced fighting game
>Fans fix it with a mod
>Nintendo shuts down mod
Nintendo: ONLY PRAY UNBARANCED GAEMU
>>318777560
>best fighting game ever
Nigga you dumb
>>318782167
Nintendo didn't even do anything.
>>318782018
> the devs probably just got tired of putting all this effort into something they don't earn any money from
i highly doubt a whole dedicated team al simultaneously decided to quit after putting tens of thousands of man hours into the project, especially with a huge update close to finished
>>318781510
They don't have to, copyright law already works like that.
It's a lot easier to get if you look at a different medium instead of videogames.
Imagine if someone made a "fan mod" of Star Wars where they just digitally edit the entire movie in various ways and maybe splice in some footage of their own. Editing the movie isn't in itself illegal, but distributing it is. Note, it's not just a small clip, so fair use doesn't apply here. If they release that movie, it doesn't matter if it's for free or paid, that's copyright infringement and Disney could sue.
>>318782072
>Knuxs may have forced Nintendo's hand.
Not the character just announced from the c&d kings?
>>318782018
>can't mention Project M on miiverse
>Gimr ( the biggest smash streamer) stops streaming because he's afraid nintendo will strike him down
>a bunch of other streamers drop it
hmmmm
Also project M was getting a pretty large following up until gimr stopped streaming it. I think it roughly had 600+ entrants at Apex 2014 that's way more than some fighting games at Evo.
It's a damn shame.Please don't kill Minus too. It's too damn fun.
>>318780693
All the time, amplified by the PM dicksuckers. Can't have any form of Smash discussion anywhere without them showing up and shitting all over everything that's not PM.
>>318782018
What are you talking about not enough space? If there's enough people willing to play and willing to watch then it should be able to be played.
It won't matter to Melee or Tr4sh if there's a PM side event at a tourney
>>318782018
So much this.
>>318782118
Well it was actually. Being streamed at national tournaments and having a slew of top players talking and being interested in it.
Then Nintendo started threatening people who wanted to host and stream the game at tournaments and now this.
>>318782325
That's people on /v/. When did the devs ever suggest anything like that?
And I thought Bestheda was a shit company, but at least they support modding. You're all faggots for defending this. I mean fuck, Mother 4 is still a thing, and that infringes way more than Project M. Literally, its okay when Nintendo does it.
>>318782257
The difference here is that they aren't releasing a whole "movie," it's a modification that requires the original
It's not any other big companies are any more lenient. There are still plenty more nintendo fan games/mods allowed than fan content of other games. Take Chrono Trigger 3D as a perfect example of this.
>>318781069
EULA's that waive your rights of ownership to things you buy get thrown off the court with a hearty laugh at least inside EFTA
>>318782151
yeah, so he cant be added as a character.
>>318775980
>>318779589
Yet here you are, posting with a reaction image.
Congratulations on the personal blog.
>>318782321
Nintendo have gotten Square involved in Smash. It's going to happen.
>>318782413
>Mother 4 is still a thing
Mother is also a Nintendo series, dumbfuck. So good job proving yourself wrong.
>>318782413
>companies are so evil for not letting me fuck up their stuff and distribute it while claiming it's better than what they do!
Maybe one day you'll understand how the adult world works, kid.
>>318774187
Way to fucking go Nintendo. You cant make a decent smash game, and you wont let others. What a fucking hack company.
>>318782321
Anon the years of brawl modding are going to die.
Fuck I really enjoyed minus too.
>>318782413
>Literally, its okay when Nintendo does it.
It's Square's fault, not Nintendo. Square is notorious for shutting down fan projects
>>318782239
Because I didn't bother to read that huge clusterfuck in the OP pic I'm going to assume Nintendo said: Don't release any more PM shit or else we sue u
>>318777305
>It's boycott time.
It's done, you're not going to accomplish anything.
>>318782239
>nintendo dindu nuffin
>we wuz gud cumpanee
>>318782520
If anything that just strengthens the case about it being Square Enix's doing.
>>318782580
>>318782551
Maybe Nintendo should've declined putting Clod in Smash then
>>318782257
The copyright law doesn't apply here. They're not distributing copyrighted materials.
>>318774187
That's sad, but maybe for the best if they move on to making a new game now. They have the talent to make something really interesting
>>318782551
I don't think we'll ever find out which company is more responsible. But I think it's safe to say the both Nintendo and Square are greedy jew lords.
>>318781612
Nintendo sued him because he was using pokemon images for a paid event.
Also, other than OP images, do we have any other confirmation that it was an actual 'reliable source' that said a C&D was coming? Because right now, it's pure speculation.
I really hope Bethesda doesn't shutdown OpenMW
>Telling people about shit-in-progress
Shame, shame
>>318782640
Nintendo may be one to let mods and fangames slide, but they also don't care enough not to screw them.
>>318782561
One of the reasons on it was the inclusion of Square's IPs.
And they're infamous for this kind of shit so it's not too farfetched to come to the conclusion that square forced their hand.
>>318782669
>Because right now, it's pure speculation.
because this is pure speculation right now.
>>318778504
You are vastly, vastly, vastly overestimating how many people give a shit, let alone KNOW Golden Sun.
>>318782669
Who needs a reliable source when we finally have a reason to piss and whine and rage at Nintendo? How dare they stop the fans form making better products than they make, Melee is love and life and Sakurai destroyed my life when he made Brawl for filthy casuals, doesn't he know the competitive scene is the future of video games?
>>318782731
OpenMW isn't nearly as notorious, so I'd say it's probably pretty safe for the time being
>>318782669
As for right now we can only assume they took the threat very seriously.
I really doubt an entire dev team would shut down a mod they spent years and thousands of hours on just because they got bored.
>>318782413
>Mother 4 is still a thing
Nothing more than a matter of time for that though.
Legal companies operate in their own time frame, one that never seems to be relevant with anyone else.
Nintendo are cunts these days.
It's not like Project M was making money or costing Nintendo money.
>>318782847
>Melee is love and life and Sakurai destroyed my life when he made Brawl for filthy casuals, doesn't he know the competitive scene is the future of video games?
please be bait
>>318782793
So? It's still Nintendo's fault for letting Square force their hand. They could've stayed on the side of fans. Will Cloud actually even sell Smash copies? Does it even matter?
So... is there any pic of this updated ZSS?
>>318782876
Mother 4 has the advantage of being a game that only needs to be released once, and they could easily distribute it anonymously.
>>318782898
It's more like it was making them money.
>>318782520
And Smash is not Nintendo series? Kill yourself.
>>318782545
Who gives a fuck how the adult world works. Modding has been a thing since before fucking Doom. Nobody gave a shit then,and unless they were making money from it, no one should give a shit now. Suck that corporate dick a harder faggot.
>mfw the smash fighting community is destroyed
We fucking did it guys, we finally won
>>318782975
Project M was charging money for it?
>>318782321
All the attention's on project m right now, so brawl - will likely slip by until ninty/square stop caring.
>those reasons why he thinks Nintendo was going to drop the bomb
Sure. Knuckles or Isaac won the ballot, totally. And ues, only Square cared about their character in the game enough to DEMAND that modding of a previous game, where their character even wasnt in, must be shut down.
Anything to shift blame from the poor innocent modders and to the big evil THE MAN.
>>318782954
yeah, but it's at the disadvantage of cataloging active development and being visible as FUCK
>>318782869
I trust 'leaks' and 'reliable sources' as much as I trust politicians. Not very much. However, who the hell knows what really happened since, as mentioned earlier, still speculations.
>>318782923
>Will Cloud actually even sell Smash copies?
Considering most fans have wanted him in since Melee of would say it would along with the remakes hype and how no one else has decided to put Cloud in their game.
>>318782640
If that was it, that would have been a perfectly reasonable decision from a financial point of view.
Cloud as DLC is a home run, most people don't even know what PM is.
>>318782994
No, because you bitched and cried that Nintendo was the ultimate evil that doesn't allow anything, then proceeded to list something that the original Mother developer has already recognized and approved.
>>318782561
Not really. PM team got from a "very reliable" source that Nintendo were going to sue them to hell without passing through C&D.
From what they know, Nintendo is okay with turning a blind eye on what they are doing, but the other IP owner, not so much, and seeing as it's using Nintendo code on a Nintendo console, they are considered responsible for PM.
So, to get other producers to be okay with lending them their IP for their game, Nintendo was going to strike hard on the PM team, or so do they assume from the inside source they got.
>>318783014
>Project Manchildren
>anything but a small autistic fraction
Ayy
>>318783069
>Anything to shift blame from the poor innocent modders and to the big evil THE MAN.
/thread
>>318783045
You had to buy a copy of brawl and a wii. It wouldn't load any other way.
>>318782923
The last person who cared about fans at ninty died from a bile duct tumor.
>>318782975
I'm not certain but I think the PMDT didn't make a dime off the Mod.
People made thousands off of it in tournament winnings but that money would be from the entrants.
>>318782975
Nintendo has long since stopped selling Brawl.
They're getting fuck all from it. But they also didn't care until now.
>>318781393
>>318781484
Well it sure wasn't SEGA.
>>318783171
>PM team got from a "very reliable" source that Nintendo were going to sue them to hell without passing through C&D.
Sounds rather dubious.
>>318783193
Then it was making nintendo money, Project M was not making anything off this.
>>318783193
I'm sure you could place the files inside a Brawl iso, at least for the early versions.
>>318782954
True, but they really have to make this one right.
Also, you would have assumed the same thing from the Chrono Trigger remake.
Nintendo hates wave dashing? Well, then I hate Nintendo.
>>318782908
That's the entire reason Project M came into existence. M stands for Melee, which these people consider the greatest game ever and which needed the sequel to be butchered and modded in order to become Melee mkII because wavedashing and SHFFLing are the most important features ever and Fox and Sheik must remain top tier forever.
Why is Nintendo so demonic now?
>>318783149
>Smash is not a Nintendo series because you bitched and cried that Nintendo was the ultimate evil that doesn't allow anything, then proceeded to list something that the original Mother developer has already recognized and approved.
That makes no fucking sense
>>318783228 (You) #
Based on this, would this have meant releasing those Art Tuesday updates out of nowhere was their idea of 'testing the waters'?
>>318781660
You know what he means. They never officially sanctioned any other method besides SDCard+Wii
>>318781929
It had an impressive following of people show up considering it was betrayed by VGBootCamp/GimR and banned by Twitch.
>>318783316
just like people also got brawl isos to play brawl, but they're not going after piracy, they're going after modding
>>318783470
Do you not understand your own words? You said Nintendo was evil and does not allow anything. Then you cited Mother 4 as something that is allowed.
>>318783307
Used consoles and games don't make Nintendo money, it makes Gamestop money, and Nintendo has had a shit relationship with Gamestop ever since Gamestop started refusing to market the Wii U.
>>318783358
The guys who made that were really discouraged when they learned their favorite company hated them. Crimson Echoes on the other hand was near completion so that got leaked after the C&D.
Ok, now.
What Proyect Meme did that was so special?
How many new playable characters they made? Because the mos important thing in Smash are the characters.
No shitposting answer if possible. I'm really curious.
>>318783420
here's your reply
>>318777334
Searched around for an archive of the deleted post. Maybe it's in here. https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/3v84su/shitstorm_of_epic_proportions_hits_rsmashbros/cxl75mr
TRYHARD TOURNEYFAGS BTFO
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>>318783665
Doesn't matter, we finally won
So if they thought that the potential of a lawsuit was possible, then why would Nintendo wait til after announcing Cloud to pursue PMDT?
Capcom wouldn't, Namco wouldn't, but they didn't draw the line until Sony came at them? Bullshit.
This smells like bullshit to high heaven.
>>318783307
>tfw I actually bought a new brawl copy in 2015 just to play PM
>>318783665
Go watch one video of the game being played you lazy fuck
>>318783420
>which these people consider the greatest game ever
>People mod Brawl and openly take a piss at Nintendo via bragging at how much better their mod is
>make monetary gain from it via tournaments and other public events
>gets shut down
>Mother 4 team is modest, stayed loyal to the original games, and have no price tag set
>allowed
The reason is obvious.
>>318783665
Most of the new characters were veterans Sm4sh had in them anyways and they were going to add Ridley to pander to the autists.
>>318783674
You're denying that PM was made to turn Brawl into Melee because they were upset Brawl wasn't Melee?
>>318783592
No, I said it's fucked up that people are cheering that a corporate killed a mod. Any company that goes after mods are shit in my book, why would Nintendo be the ultimate Evil? You're putting words in my mouth.
So with NoA recent action. Is Nintendo trying to become the most hated company in the video games industry?
>>318781971
It's very easy to solve this problem.
Release Project M and ALL of the tools under GPL. Open source the entire thing. If Nintendo tried to sue them or come after them, they'd have to deal with the FSF fully backing them.
It's worked for emulators. So why not PM?
>>318783665
They brought back Mewtwo and Roy from Melee and were working on Knuckles, Lyn, Isaac, Sami, Deoxys and Dark Samus.
>>318783775
Cloud is Square Enix, who is notorious for shutting down fan projects.
>people are calling Nintendo evil
>not realising they're true neutral
Gaben = chaotic good
Nintendo = true neutral
Microsoft = lawful evil
Square = chaotic evil
Sony = true chaos
>>318783826
PMDT never bragged, it's only the people on places like /v/ that bragged how much better PM is. And there is literally 0 overlap between PMDT and TOs.
>PC
>modding is legal and encouraged, often promoted by developers and publishers themselves
>Console
>modding is illegal and fan mods can get you shut down and sued for a million dollars
Why do consolekeks tolerate this?
>>318783879
Yes. They know EA hasn't been able to piss anyone off with many of their recent actions and Ubishit is fading in relevance so Nintendo is gunning for the top spot
>>318783665
Project M has... had fewer characters than Brawl or Sm4sh. It wasn't about the amount of characters, or who. People just want to play Melee with nicer graphics. Every other forum post
>is fox still top tier?
>don't change fox
>can we give fox extra color options
>>318782118
You're full of shit. I showed up to Sandstorm in AZ earlier this year and everyone was playing PM alongside Smash4 and Melee. It was fucking packed with PM players too.
>>318783838
you can phrase it like that, but that's just looking at it the wrong
People modded Brawl, because it was so mechanically inferior to Melee, though they did keep some things Brawl added, such as Footstools
>>318783775
It seems most likely that it's Square's fault, they're notorious for shutting fanmade shit down.
>>318782731
Open MW is probably safe. Bethesda more than anyone know that mods are 50% of the reason they even have fans, and I think they're incredibly cautious to rock the boat. That's why they backed down from the Steam Workshop thing almost instantaneously after it became apparent how much butthurt it was causing. Plus Morrowind is old as hell, and Bethesda have already demonstrated that they know old games are more valuable for attracting people to the IP than they are for actually selling for a profit, that's why they openly distribute Arena and Daggerfall as freeware.
>>318783907
You can't just take someone else's work, make changes to it, and then release it under GPL.
If even one line of Project M's code was written by Nintendo, and the modders released the code under GPL, Nintendo could sue them even harder.
>>318783949
>Gaben = chaotic good
Tell that to Bethesda mod users
>>318776968
They didn't, Project M developers just wussed out in case Nintendo was going to try something
>>318783775
As much as people want to demonise Nintendo for this shit square had been doing it for much longer.
Why do you think there are so little fan projects of Square's games? Because they won't let anyone do it.
>>318783949
>true chaos
>>318783838
It didn't wind up being as much like Melee as everyone seems to think. Most PM players were former Brawl players, and then they moved to Sm4sh when GIMR went fulljew.
It would be interesting to see a modding case go to trial, it could be ruled along the lines of Galoob v. Nintendo.
>>318784043
>it wasn't exactly like Melee therefore it was inferior
For people who claim to be able to learn so easily, it's funny how much they complain about not being able to adapt to Brawl.
>>318783665
Picture the Smash series as a forked timeline starting with Melee.
Sakurai decided to take Smash in the direction of a playable video game museum. He didn't care anymore about making it fast and competitive. You may even go as far as to say he never intended it to be, but melee could be played as such. PM forks in the opposite direction of Brawl and Smash4, prioritizing fast, competitive gameplay over casual fun for everyone.
>>318781069
i bought the game, i do what i want with it. Modding its an option, let people play it for free its an option too. Why would a company go to legal shit for that
>>318774187
HAHA! They fell for it! Didn't expect it to actually work!
Smash and Dark Souls will never be E-Sports.
>>318782731
They will the second they decide to make an "HD remastered" version themselves.
>>318784208
>adapting with this fucker around
>>318784149
In the sense that they're not evil or good but exist to fuck up everyone.
>>318784110
This is what emulators do however. As for Project M they never used any actual code from Nintendo (since it's a closed-source game) but instead created a framework which to modify it from the outside which is covered by the GPL.
Worst-case scenario the claim could be made that it was designed to interface only with Dolphin which is also under GPL.
>>318784343
People want Dark Souls to be E-Sports? Since when?
>>318784276
>manlyspirit
Hes a known goobergator who loves to spam garbage. Hes been banned many times and loves to derail threads and shitpost.
Ignore at all costs.
>>318784146
>>318784061
The worst part is that Square will let Eidos fans do whatever they want. Fanmade Deus Ex games are okay, as well as JC2-MP and remakes of Thief. But don't you dare touch Final Fantasy.
>>318783814
>>318783826
>>318783940
>>318784003
>They brought back Mewtwo and Roy from Melee
>and were working on Knuckles, Lyn, Isaac, Sami, Deoxys and Dark Samus.
So Proyect M just managed to make 2 characters since this mod started years ago? And they were "working" on characters, but they never released them?
Nothing of value was lost then.
PMDT were retards that had to toot their own horn and get validation from their peers at everything
>LOOK WHAT WE ARE DOING GUYS
>LOOK AT US
There's nothing wrong with working more backseat/anonymously without waving your dick around so you feel important.
Now they feel threatened that people want to continue on their work so now they are throwing dumbshit around like it could get them in legal trouble
I just want to remind you guys that /r/newPMDT is completely incapable of releasing a proper "update"
im sure it will be made eventually but the team is entirely composed of people with zero experience that want to pretend to be a development team... most don't even have brawlbox/PSA experience
im working my best at making a bugfix but these guys are absolutely incapable pls spread the word and don't get your hopes up
>>318777110
You know that Smash 4 pulls better numbers than Melee and WAY better numbers than PM for tournaments, right?
>>318784343
Smash is already e-sport.
project M was gay anyway no one played this shit lmao
>>318784208
People would have adapted, had Brawl expanded upon what 64 and Melee did, instead of removing
>>318784208
people did adapt to Brawl, then they realized it was a bad game. that's why both the Melee resurgence and the development of PM started long after Brawl was released
>>318780673
>SEGA (or their company rep, at least) gave their blessing for Knuckles to show up in PM
>SEGA games slowly making their way to Steam (including Valkyria Chronicles)
When did SEGA start to become based? And why are Sonic games still awful?
>>318784343
>Dark Souls
Who the actual fuck wants Dark Souls to be esports?
>>318784468
Being this mad.
>>318784470
>But don't you dare touch Final Fantasy.
And chromo trigger
And dragon quest
I don't think anyone would even sniff in the direction of KH because of both Square and Disney.
>>318784406
Are emulators officially licensed under GPL?
And anyway, it's possible that Nintendo could sue whoever made the emulators, but doesn't care enough to. It's not like Nintendo's losing any money off the emulators, they don't even sell the consoles anymore.
> Make a mod for Valve, get money
> Make a mof for Nintendo, get sued
Another of the reasons why Nintendo is not so relevant anymore.
>>318784208
They adapted to Brawl pretty easily, it just wasn't any fun to play or watch at that level. Meta Knight and later Ice Climbers were stupid on so many levels and most of the cast was completely nonfunctional compared to the tops. You can look at Melee and see it as being a pretty busted game but Brawl just takes that to a new level. It did have some hilarious glitches, though.
>>318776649
>shiny graphics and shitty new roster additions are "better"
>>318783665
They added Mewtwo and Roy back in (before Sm4sh did it), and were adding newcomers like Lyn, Knuckles, Issac, and Sami before getting told to pack up and go home. Skull Kid, Dark Samus and Deoxys were also possibilities.
It's not just the new characters though, they made the existing characters waaaay fucking better. Wario gets attacks from Wario Land. Samus can switch to her ice beam. Bowser is like 50% and he's a fucking tank. I could go on, but hopefully you get the point. It's not just tourneyfags mourning this loss, PM's dev team REALLY cared about these characters and making each one play and feel right. Unlike Masahiro "Rocket Boots" Hackurai
>>318784523
That's just cos it's new and everyone's tired of Fox only, Final Destination, no items. If Nintendo released Melee HD, buffed low tier characters, and made the game maybe even a little bit faster, it would destroy Smash 4...
>>318784527
Yeah but it's a small fry compared to the big E-Sport titles.
>>318784627
Look at /bbg/ on vg.
They actually deeply believe that dark souls and bloodborne can be esports.
That's why if you go into any dark souls 3 thread you'll see them screaming and throwing a fit about backstabs in pvp because it's not fair.
>>318784343
God I hope Dark Souls never ever becomes an e-sport. Honorfags are already too much cancer to deal with.
>>318784750
>> Make a mof for Nintendo, get sued
Nintendo hasn't ever sued for anything free of their own volition though.
>>318784797
>>Look at /bbg/ on vg.
I've been in it since the DLC came out and literally nobody said anything about it being esports.
The closest thing is people bitching about what levels are best for PvP.
>>318776729
And 4 fags aren't???
>muh roster speculation
>muh indie representation
>muh shantae
I just wanted to play a good game nigger.
>>318784406
Doesn't matter what they claim. Once you're in court with a big corporation you're fucked. You've already lost.
>mfw you cant even stream project meme on twitch
>mfw the tourny scene is dying and isnt allowed at majors besides in some shady ass motel on the corner
what is the point if the tourny scene isnt even healthy? PM will never be at evo and I think thats why 90% of people dont bother with it and would prefer melee, or even tr4sh
>>318774187
Funnily enough: Nintendo Has a Project M stand in the lounge room for playtesters.
>>318784601
Why didn't they just stay with Melee instead of trying to turn Brawl into Melee 2.0? You didn't see people trying to mod Mario Kart Wii into Double Dash!! 2.0.
>ITT
>>318777312
>brawl not already a buggy mess
Ayyyyyyyy
>>318784908
Wait until it slows down a little and then you'll start to see it.
Pre DLC that's all they would talk about.
>>318784607
Just wait, Sonic Team's A-Team hasn't put out a Sonic game since Generations, and that was five years ago (their B-Team did Lost World). They must have been cooking up something that whole time.
>this entire thread
>>318784716
Yes, Dolphin for example is officially under GPLv2+.
And nintendo does 'lose money' from emulators since they have their own closed-source emulation framework via the virtual console. In that sense they still do sell the games, which puts Dolphin in direct competition with Nintendo.
>>318784789
Like all fighting games, sadly. I think that the biggest divide between Smash and the FGC is the willingness to embrace ESPORTS, since the FGC largely hates that shit.
>>318784527
I hate to call fighting games e-sports because almost all their events, even Evo, are just regular tournaments hosted by players. Unlike almost all other games where the scene is heavy based around the developer's promotions and most attendees are spectators.
Thing is, Project M was featured in numerous tournaments where entry was paid, so they were making money off of the mod.
>>318784750
Goddamn, this. How can people say this is great when TF2, Counter-Strike and Dota 2 are all things? Console only plebs are truly shiteaters.
>>318785021
Which further cements Square's intervention.
>>318774187
Good. About fucking time.
>>318785026
They did. Melee and PM don't have that much player overlap.
Project M isn't inherently dead, it's still got a fairly large user base that will push to keep it alive for now
but as long as no new official content is released then it's going to keep declining
there's basically no chance of project m ever getting in the spotlight again
>>318785219
You make it sound like fighting game communities are the bro-est ones.
>the op post explicitly says that it was square or some other third party forcing Nintendo's hand
>every single post blames Nintendo
I realize that it's a wall of text and everything, but you really should read it.
>>318785237
>westerners
>fighting for their shit
>>318781276
>They're not making money
Didn't they get paid for people playing the mod at tournaments?
>>318785342
They are, unless you can't get along with black people.
>>318777787
Rethink my life and take that into consideration when making my next product in order to sell more.
>>318784964
The PMDT and the community around it kept bending over to demands
Of course its dying
They really think Nintendo was going to sue before they sent a C&D letter
Come on
>>318785021
Source?
>>318784476
They also rebalanced other characters and made characters like ganondorf viable, gave olimar a better recovery, separated the 3 pokemon into their own characters, made wolf not shit, added neat things like Ike's forward B jump cancel, among other things.
They did all of this for free and still ended up making a better game then nintendo ever could. Nintendo realized this which is why they made GIMR and twitch stop covering PM.
>>318785264
You want Smash to be a slow roll fest? You hate wave dashing? Can't handle a fast fighter? Be disrespectful in another thread, coward.
>>318784470
Square doesn't even begin to give half a fuck about what what people do with their worthless gaijin IPs.
>>318784476
So them reworking the games entire engine to function like the most popular and beloved smash game of all time along with reworked moveset for most characters and constant balancing and numerous skins not available anywhere else as well as melee chapter big added and the promise of 3 brand new chapters.
Yeah nothing of value was lost. A group of modders spent years of their life making this games for literally thousand of fans dedicated to playing it competitively.
But yeah you sure dismantled all that by saying nothing of value was lost. Grats man.
>>318785356
If you didn't believe there's some kind of thing against Nintendo here then here's the proof
There's a reason the "neo-/v/" thing vane about.
>>318780968
Except he's right.
>bunch of random people who use Reddit to communicate get together to make the game
>"I think X should be in!"
>"Fuck you! Also X should now be capable of Y and their Z attack should hit for #% at •angle!"
>autistic temper tantrums everywhere
>nothing gets done
You're best playing individual Brawl mods or Sm4sh.
>>318774187
You know what I think happened? Iwata was a little bitch regarding Project (Other) M, and that's why Nintendo didn't do anything about it.
Now, the new guy who's taken over ISN'T a little bitch, and realizes what these little punk kids were doing, stealing one of his company's IPs wholesale.
The hammer has fallen, and it is glorious.
>>318782072
>Knuxs is #3 in popularity polls
You don't know this. Facebook and Tumblr polls are not official.
>>318785472
Currently? I worked in Nintendo from feb 2012- august 2014 as a play-tester (Yay aerotek) (now at Microsoft as a Lab engineer), along with my roommate (he still works there). They don't allow Phones or cameras into the lounge, so I can't perfectly confirm it; but Aerotek is looking for game testers in the Redmond/Bellevue area if you are interested in confirming it yourself
>>318785463
That's the weird thing, Nintendo clearly doesn't actually want to take PM to court, or else they would've done so years ago, and actually taking them to court would've been a PR disaster. A c&d is quick, cheap, and easier to keep quiet. I can't imagine that any company would ever resort to actually taking a bunch of kids to court before just sending them a letter asking them to stop.
>>318785693
if that were true PM would have gotten blammed a few months back.
>>318785547
My phone loves to auto correct characters to chapters.. .
I don't think it's very likely that Knuckles or Isaac would have won the popularity contest. On the other hand, another character in Brawl/Project M that doesn't show up in Smash 4 would be very heavily voted in favour of, and might have stood a solid chance of winning and/or being reimplemented into the series.
>>318775767
>can make a better game
It's a mod, not a stand alone game.
they can't make a better game, they can't even make a stand alone game.
>>318785547
>>318785475
So they just wanted to do a E-sport meme Smash.
Like I said, nothing of value was lost then.
>>318785026
That's because Wii's already the tourneyfag Mario Kart, and the userbase is autistic but has no talent unlike Smash's which is autistic but has some talent to make something decent out of it.
They do have stage mods though to play all the old stages and some new ones with Wii's gameplay
>>318782743
Gotta have that e-fame.
>>318785693
Whats your problem. Nintendo ceased a labour of love by threatening a non profit modding team.
What part of that is glorious.
>>318785809
Off-topic but how well did it pay? I'm a SDE looking for work so anything goes right now.
>>318786053
Your tears.
>>318783260
>Nintendo has long since stopped selling Brawl.
That would be incorrect.
>>318786053
>Nintendo
>>318785947
>balance is bad
>>318782743
>Telling people about shit-in-progress
>Then they realize they can't make them work
>Hey guys! Is Nintendo's fault I swear!
>>318786053
It shows that Nintendo has a firm stance on what they want out of their respective IP and they're not going to let it be diluted or corrupted by people who don't respect or share the same ideals. Nice to see one of the big 3 still has a backbone.
>>318786159
Fuck, I was at a Wal-mart the other day, Brawl is still 40$. It's barely even price dropped.
>>318785947
> nothing of value
Like your useless opinions? You've been given a list of reasons people were so inveterate in this game and you batted it away with essentially the same sentence.
You have nothing to add to anything this thread. Why are you even trying.
>>318784774
>Wario gets attacks from Wario Land.
http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/08/11/wariofart1/
He always did.
>>318786247
>Nice to see one of the big 3 still has a backbone.
Too bad that back bone is going to ruin then in the eyes of the public because all of a sudden not pandering to subsets that don't care about video games is bad.
>>318774187
If this were Sony, they wouldn't give two shits.
Bravo Nintendo, first region locking and preventing fanmade game. I seriously hope it was worth it.
PROJECT MEME IS DEAD
we did it bros
>>318786429
God this is a piece of shit article.
>he acted completely different in advertisements so it's totally warranted to make him act nothing like he did in any version of Wario Land
Yeah makes perfect sense.
>>318785836
Exactly. This is looking extremely sketchy and there is a lot of infighting in within the PMDT. A preventive measure for something that was never going to happen. I don't want to put on my tinfoil hat but this is some fishy shit.
I didn't play that much PM but I did watch the last year of them getting fucked in the ass in silence but that's okay at least we get splatoon commercials on every major right guys. Nintendo has really taken the scene to new heights
>>318786153
Right, okay.
>>318786247
Was PM really stepping on nintendo's toes though? People literally bought thousand of copys of wii's and a dead game so they could play pm.
The development team spent thousand of hours reworking the game into.something it clearly wasn't before and it was for non profit.
Is there an iso builder for the last version of project m? Is it 3.6?
>ITT: Successful fasleflaggers getting people extremely butthurt
>>318786141
(me) 10.50 first 90 days then 11.50
in 2014 it changed to 11.50 then 12.50 but they cut 2 hours out of the work week, unless you have been there for a year. (seasonal shit)
Aerotek or Pioneer(? don't remember the other contracter name) are the groups to call (last # I had for Andy was 4 2 5 4 9 7 7 6 0 1, but I don't know how reliable that is.)
>>318777560
>best fighting game ever
>its not a fighting game
>>318786796
Sauce
>>318777719
>it can result in horrific PR if enough fans get pissed about it.
No it can't. Gamers are pathetic manchildren addicts.
>>318785098
>Stinky day
>>318786687
Did you read the OP picture? At all? It had nothing to do with actually interfering with sales. It had to do with the fact that PM's existence made partner companies like Square and SEGA feel like Nintendo wasn't trying to protect its IPs, making them much more hesitant about actually letting Nintendo use their IPs, so Nintendo either had to do something about PM or lose what little third-party support they had.
>>318774187
>It was totally Nintendo guys
>I cannot prove it but it is how it happened
>Something something reddit
>We need money for dem programs guys
Project Autism
>>318779927
Project M was gonna get sued because of possible conflicting IPs for smash 4 and because it's competing against smash 4
Mother 4 is not conflicting with anything and almost everything is original content, the only thing Nintendo would sue for is the fact they're using the Mother franchise.
Besides, Itoi kinda indirectly mentioned he would have enjoyed the mother series himself if it were made by someone else, I'm sure he wouldn't mind Mother 4 in the slightest.
>>318785748
As a Sonic character dumbass, not ballot.
>>318786857
Misaki Inoue
>>318777110
Nintendo doesnt WANT this "awesome competitive platform" When has nintendo actually focused on competition beyond casual audience? I'm not saying that as a bad thing either. It's just not a flavor they care to sell to.
>>318782257
a more apt comparison would be releasing a encoding script of some kind that preforms all the edits automatically with the running of a batch file/exe.
Which isnt illegal
and this is literally what PM did
also RE isnt illegal unless you release any tools created from the RE process or created for the RE process to the public.
fucking kill yourself.
>>318787005
Thanks anon.
>>318786928
That's just one guy's theory, who is a playtester by the way. It's not for sure third party influence, it could be any reason Nintendo decided.
>>318786857
Yukiko Suo
>>318777562
>>318777525
>>318777560
Somehow I know these guys are well over 20 and possibly dirt poor.
I am going to add retarded for believing at face value what anonymous, insider tips on the internet.
This is literally my dad works at Project M and it is amazing Nintendo did not actually send them a C&D not to mention that melee community are straight up cunts.
>>318787128
Any other reason is nullified by the fact that they're only doing something about it now. Despite acknowledging the mod a handful of times.
>>318786952
This is clearly a PMDT issue but everyone is going to eat up this nintendo shit
>>318781275
yes really, scbw is a great example, it already had a level editor and map maker and people said "fuck that" and made a better version of the map editor, then made an engine editor, sprite editor, game script (not map script) editor, and more.
all by reverse engineering.
>>318786928
But previously to this incident Nintendo had already made it extremely hard for this game to succeed. We all know about the vgbootcamt gimr / twitch incidents and it's no mystery that the PMDT was in contact fear of nintendo's legal action.
What happend the other day whether it wa nintendo or square was the finishing blow in a long line of happenings
>>318774187
Did anyone actually READ the image? It's not Nintendo being jews or cunts or bitter about people modding the game, it says that they even turned a blind eye for a while. Any number of things outside the control of Nintendo could of factored in to making the decision to force them to shut down. It's one thing to allow people creative freedom to modify your product, quite another to allow them limit your business options by doing so.
>>318786954
>because it's competing against smash 4
>was gonna
This place is not smarter than reddit, either that or American children are out of school at this time.
Seriously do move this shit thread to reddit were you can speculate further about shit that has no official confirmation.
>>318786687
>>318786153
Also, all the faggots who worked on this. They actually BELIEVED, and convinced all you butthurt faggots, that it was okay to steal a company's intellectual property.
These people put their hearts and mind into this, and, in the end, they essentially wasted their lives. Classic!
Makes me wonder if they'll even bother putting it on their resumes.
"Yes, I stole a company's IP because I didn't like how it's sequel was handl-WAIT! WHY ARE YOU TEARING UP MY RESUME?!"
>>318777215
>I'm not sure why Nintendo setting precedent that they refuse to allow free modifications is a good thing
They're just being VERY tryhard
>>318787290
>the fact that they're only doing something about it now.
Are they actually doing something now or did legal council decide that if they DID do something now or in the future it'd rectally annihilate everyone in the PMDT financially?
I really think the latter is the case. In which case, really I think in either case, we should just fucking ask Nintendo whether it's okay or not if we have some kind of word from them whether it's okay to continue making a mod of their game. At this point there's no harm it could even do right? If they say no then we carry on with PM being dead.
>>318785476
>Be disrespectful in another thread
>disrespectful
>coward
>>318787386
>Seriously do move this shit thread to reddit were you can speculate further about shit that has no official confirmation.
They can't mods there know it's bullshit so they delete it on sight.
>>318785476
>fighter
heh
>>318787332
Look at it the other way.
When PM was kicked out of Apex/Twitch/all the other stuff, it was because those organizations were now receiving Nintendo money. If they gave money to something that actually featured PM then that essentially constitutes as approving of PM, meaning that it would not only be much harder to shut PM down if they ever wanted to, it would be much harder to shut down ANY mod of any of their games, so if somebody decides to make Mario Rape Simulator they could actually point to the example of Nintendo indirectly funding PM as a way of showing that Nintendo allows people to use their IPs freely, and they would have a really strong case. So their only options were to not support the scene, shut PM down, or kick PM out. Kicking PM out is actually the best action for the Smash community that they could've taken. If Nintendo actually thought that PM was a threat or wanted to shut it down, they would've done so a long time ago.
>>318775767
lel. these kids probably cant even make smash 64 from scratch
>>318787514
That's actually a really good thing to put on your resume as a programmer or an artist. I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.
>>318778131
protect from what?
To legally play PM you need a wii and a copy of brawl, the only downloads on the PM site were to scripts akin to winmerge, they would read the brawl iso and change variables and add lines in script and other files to turn brawl into PM, but contained no actual brawl code, they contained facsimiles, but not actual copied paste brawl lines of code.
this was also all distributed under a fair use license.
And the devs even banned people for talking about pirated brawl or downloading an already rewritten brawl iso and emulating.
if anything PM increased bawl lifetime sales.
Honestly i see no business reason for Nintendo to do anything, and honestly i think either the person in the op pic is lying, or the PMDT for for a clever ruse out of fear.
>>318785476
play melee, faggot scrub
>>318787716
Nintendo didn't give anyone a dime. All they did was provide Wii Us to play Sm4sh.
>>318787716
Might want to cap this. You'll be needing it.
>White text on dark background
End this meme. My eyes can't take it.
>>318786317
>It's barely even price dropped.
Nintendo games don't drop in price AND people were willing to shell out that much to play a mod.
>>318787607
I just sent a letter to Nintendo (this is the former playtester from above) saying (in paraphrase) that I would like to continue to modify Project M, but that PMDT has told people to not modify 'their' game (project M) and that I don't believe that they have the right to do so as the work is not transformitive enough to constitute a new work; I would, however, like to get the blessing of Nintendo. If I do not get the blessing of Nintendo to modify Project M, I will continue to do so however, as they cannot sue, in current legal standing, as they have not be defending their copyright over the game anyways.
>>318787890
Even if they only gave a single penny, that still counts as support. It's not the amount that matters, it's the action.
>>318786954
>and because it's competing against smash 4
It's really isn't.
The competitive portion of Smash is a small part of their buyer base and the one who have interest in PM mostly, if not exclusively play it competitively. PM is in no way a threat to the actual Smash market. As for the part of the market that actually has interrest in PM, most of them tend to also have bought all the existing version of Smash.
PM was never a threat to Smash 4.
I'll say Smash 4 isn't even in a bad shape, even on the competitive sides. I won't compare its view count with PM, seeing as it tend to be gimpred as fuck and barelly allowed on twitch, but if you compare it with the Melee view, Smash 4 tend to make at least half the view count of melee, which is already quite big.
>>318787789
I'm not denying it isn't impressive but...
"I AM ESSENTIALLY A THIEF!"
isn't something I'd want on my resume
>>318787514
First off, calm down.
If you're going to label pm as stolen intellectual property then you also have to condemn almost every mod ever made including Dota.
Yes they took a game which was by most people's opinions a dissapointment and they reworked everything about it to function like the most beloved game in the series. They made no money doing this and it's success was entirely dependent on the fans who love the series.
At which part of that do you think is a waste? Most of the devs did his as a hobby aside from their real life.
>>318787878
They could have had some policy where a group needs Nintendo's express permission to be able to use their IP, and anyone who proceeds without is is liable to be sued.
>>318779589
I dont even liek smash, i hate PM fags.
But if you are actually finding the fact that free mods doing everything legally and by the books are getting shut down because fucking businesses want to inch out everything that could maybe in some 1 in a million scenario effect the bottom line entertaining you really need to kill yourself.
>>318787716
It's been months and nintendo hasn't done anything for the scene besides provide some wii u for apex, oh and play a million smash and splatoon commercials
This community is dumb for letting nintendo here in the first place.
>>318788090
Hey Lunchables. Good on you man, I sincerely hope they reply but I somehow doubt it.
But I think we need a response from them at this point. For me personally PM means way too much to see it go down unless it absolutely has to. I want to see Nintendo say straight from their mouths "It's not okay to continue modding Brawl." in which case I wouldn't like the decision but we would have to deal with it and that's that.
>>318788153
Modding =/= Stealing, friend
>tfw Smash 64 is the true tourneyfag game
>>318788538
How does that title not belong to melee?
Are people still pretending its nintendo's fault?
>>318788242
Mods have always been in a dubious legal situation. The simple fact of the matter is that they're a brand-new idea and the law doesn't really have much designed to cover them, especially not mods of as large a scale as PM. Most companies have chosen not to shut their modding communities down, but that in itself doesn't make them legal. The simple fact of the matter is that what would determine whether or not something like Project M is legal is the result of the court case if Nintendo actually took it there, because that would be essentially setting the precedent. Everything here everyone's said about the law is essentially bullshit, the real truth is that nobody knows, but also that nobody really wants to find out in case that their side loses.
Now that PM is kill.
What is the next "competitive" Nintendo game mod?
Mario Party, Mario Kart.
Make your bets.
>>318786857
Minh Souphanousinphone
>>318788778
I heard Nintendo SWAT'd a guy who was streaming "Mario Retardy".
>>318777737
Puyo Puyo confirmed for Sm4sh
>>318788582
Because Meleefags are casual shits who play a game where the characters float like they're on the fucking moon.
>>318788935
it was some random kiddie
>>318788185
His bait wasn't even that good, anon. His tone gives it away easily.
>>318789001
>Because Meleefags are casual shits who play a game where the characters float like they're on the fucking moon.
dude what
melee?
did you mean smash 4?
>>318787716
I see your point and I can understand why nintendo would feel forced to act as they did.
While I cannot agree that what they did was right in terms of communicating with their community which undoubtely supported and purchased many of their games while PM existed. It can't be denied that nintendo did let it exist for as long as it did.
There's nothing wrong with mods but I hated PM because of how autistic the smash fanbase is. More tears from them is always a good thing. Get fucked faggots
>>318786857
>Vonnie Lui nude photo
>>318789114
Just don't respond. Let him find out how painfully incorrect he is on his own.
>>318788778
>what is Mario Kart CTGP Revolution
List of smash-games that died before Melee:
>Brawl
>PM
Soon on this list:
>Sm4sh
Honorable mention:
>Smash 64
>>318788229
They arnt though, Project M contained no copyrighted materials.
Fan made models in a free mod do not break copyright laws so the new models for the additions are out. (This is fair use)
Color swapping textures in a free mod dont violate copyright either so that out. (this is also fair use)
using what is basically winmerge to rewrite and add lines of code among other things densest even fall under the perview of copyright so thats out aswell. (This isnt copyright anything)
This honestly just all comes down to big companies dont even need a legit legal reason to bully modders, because the modders will never ever stand up because in every single outcome the modder loses big time, even if they magically win the court case they are now in debt for a case that probably lasted years, and since they had a lawyer good enough to beat Nintendo they probably also got Nintendo to pay the lawyer bills (this is commonplace), however Nintendo is going to take an eternity to pay this out and will drag it out as long as possible, so the modder will go bankrupt and have their life ruined long before that happens, and when they finally get the money they will be in so much debt that it wont even cover a fraction of it.
The fact of the matter is that copyright law was not written with the modern world in mind, the entire system needs to be torn down and rebuilt with modern society and technology in mind.
>>318789178
Thanks for sharing.
Your parents didn't love you.
>>318789114
I'd say that applies to most of the Melee roster.
>>318789585
intellectual property
>>318789590
>projecting
That's cute.
Is there anywhere to still download PM that doesn't need to be hacked? I have a Wii and Brawl.
Also, is it possible to use the Wii mode in Wii U if I do get a download.
>>318789571
Seriously though how the fuck has melee survived this long.
so is it one character that wins the ballot or multiple.
>>318789731
>autism
>>318789731
Latest smash game to be competitively viable and fun to watch.
Is stabbing supposed to be garbage? It gets interrupted when I get hit, it's next to useless like this
>>318789706
Was actually gambling on trying to hurt your feelings.
You can pretend you're smart with one word canned responses if it makes you feel better.
>>318789731
People who refuse to move on and are only good at that single game?
Melee fanbase is fucking small.
>>318788745
Only because copyright laws were written decades ago and appended with something intentionally vague additions.
Modding isnt brand new either, its been happening since before the internet was a thing, people were doing HW mods of C64's long before software mods.
But as far as any current precedence goes PM was legally in the green, they
Didnt use any ripped assets for the additional roster (fanmade models are fair use)
Didnt inculde ripped texture for recolors (iirc they used ddstools or something to automate color changes along with scripts to create file copies of the base texture files to edit)
Didnt include any brawl code at all (they used tools like winmerge to patch sections of the brawl iso without the user having to download any brawl code at all, IE brawl has a line for some skill damage that looks like
(line 12345)skillNAME, NAME, damage (WHATEVER) etc etc
and pm changes this by writting a script that goes goto line 12345 replace WHATEVER > WHATEVER2)
This all makes them legally clean, but none of that matters because copyright laws are made with protecting the copyright owner in mind not coming to a sensible legal conclusion in mind, the prime example of this is that the copyright owner doesn't have to prove the own the copyright rather the offender has to prove that they didn't violate copyright at all, and this can be next to impossible as what is and isnt covered by copyright isnt exactly clear, and which situations copyright laws apply in are muddled as well.
Honestly copyright law needs to be rewritten, both so that companies dont need to act like they are in a bad situation for looking like they cant protect their IP's in the face of stockholders and so that modders dont have the perpetual worry that if what they're making is made using official mod tools that they can be sued into oblivion even if they have a sturdy legal standing.
But that will never happen.
>>318786734
Thanks m8. Unfortunately I don't think that's enough considering how costly it can be down there. I was hoping to maybe use it as a bridge to working at Nintendo. Their hiring process for associate SDEs is stupid as hell.
>>318789720
check the pm sub reddit. there's guides allover for hackless method which is what you need.
>>318789882
>Melee fanbase is fucking small.
not really
>>318786857
Boku No Pico
>>318789882
I want to agree but the melee community is actually nigger than it has ever been and it's growing.
>>318774187
Pretty obvious. IT was just getting to big and they were messing with too many IPs .
But the important thing is that Brawl Minus outlived Project M.
I really do not want to give Nintendo anymore money after this. Damn shame too.
>>318790182
Mfw my phone auto corrects bigger to nigger
>>318788778
>Mario Retardy mods
The only problem is you'd have to see how awesome that could be before anyone would realize it and make one in the first place.
>Mario Kart mods
See above.
>>318774187
>and nothing of value was lost
Wait does this mean no more project M shit threads?
>>318790182
>melee community is actually nigger than it has ever been and it's growing.
Years on 4chan really makes some things automatic huh.
>>318789585
>Project M contained no copyrighted materials.
Project M had a massive amount of copyrighted materials. Are you forgetting all of the songs/Castlevania stage? These new characters were probably what broke the camel's back and made them unquestionably not fair use, which is why they shut down before they could be released.
Why is PM not allowed but MUGEN is?
>>318789974
>But as far as any current precedence goes PM was legally in the green
No it wasn't. The only 'legal precedence' was Gameshark, which didn't add anything new to the game, and couldn't be viewed as an entirely separate entity rather than simply a modified version of the original.
>>318780479
Because people don't want Original the Characters. They want recognized characters with Smash like gameplay.
>>318789691
Are you being retarded on purpose, IP concerns fall under the preview of copyright, just because zelda is Nintendo IP doesn't mean i cant release hand drawn porn of midna getting railed up the ass by 2 giant fucking cocks for free. Why you ask, because fair use you cock muncher.
If Nintendo says tomorrow that "Anyone drawing porn of Midna is violating our zelda IP and we will sue you" doesn't mean anything, they have no legal standing, unless they add additions to every single nintendo ToS that says "Drawing porn of mida is a violation of this ToS" But that is impossibly to enforce (how can they confirm someone agreed to that ToS then draw midna porn in a manner that would hold up in court?) and of questionable legality (Its a clear violation of Fair use laws)
>>318790378
I cant speak to the songs but the characters weren't asset rips, they were made from scratch iirc, which isnt illegal, it would be if PM was being sold, but it wasn't.
>>318790571
Did you even read the resulting ruling of the gameshark case, it makes pretty clear the stance the supreme court took on modding.
>>318774187
Shame but it's better they they secede rather than be sued into oblivion and Nintendo as an entity are more dense than a black hole. Nintendo would throw the lawyers regardless of bad press or negative image and even pass that blame onto all involved with PM to blast them into whatever is beyond oblivion for indirectly causing any amount of boycott/protest people would perform in their name.
It's just all around a bad time for everyone if they had continued.
Game companies often seem like they're pretty chill about a lot of fan games but from what I've seen they simply don't usually take them as credible threats to their IPs because they're often so bad or they get stuck in development hell. The only ones I can even recall being openly C&D'd were the Chrono Trigger remake and Streets of Rage Remix and frankly they're like the only fangames worth remembering (Well, Sonc 2HD might've been good if they didn't have a rogue coder and disbanded).
Oh and anything that is Pokemon MMORPG'esque gets nuked into the ground regardless of quality but that's because that entire concept is a huge threat to the system of selling mainline Pokemon games every 1-3 years.
>SSF2 is more legal than PM
lol
Why couldn't they just release PM on piratebay and stay under the radar?
I mean, they wouldn't get any credit I guess? So they were after the credit then? They could still use aliases and get the 'credit' the same way they're getting it right now.
>>318780479
And they were about to release new characters they killed their proyect because, surprise, they can't make good characters on their own
>>318790801
>just because zelda is Nintendo IP doesn't mean i cant release hand drawn porn of midna getting railed up the ass by 2 giant fucking cocks for free
It literally does.
>>318790875
if they did this it would be hard to keep track of an official version. there would probably be a number of fakers, which makes it seem like a less legit game
>>318790875
That's sort of what's happening now, though the team disbanded over disagreements following the legal threats so it's now just an open source project.
>>318774187
What I don't get is how closing up shop now will help at all. If Nintendo is gearing up for a lawsuit, all the modifications the PMDT has made up to this point should be plenty. Why would releasing further versions change anything? What time-sensitive or content-sensitive issue is at play here? Earlier versions made a lot of modifications, and if it was simply a matter of something like not including Isaac because he won the ballot, they could just cut that content out.
Even if the leaks never happened and everyone went completely quiet, what would stop Nintendo from jumping in and suing anyway?
this shit never happened. there is no "source"
This is just PM faggots pretending they are more important then they really are.
>>318790875
It's the fear that their materials will be leaked and misused and ultimately lead back the the PMDT beig responsible and facing million dollar lawsuits each.
The PMDT are a bunch of uni students with a lot to lose.
>>318791009
an accidental open source project
>>318790875
They were spreading the word to get professional help from more experienced modders and coders but it backfired and now they're paying the ultimate price of watching their creation be turned against them
>>318790571
Also PM isnt a separate entity.
Can you run PM without using a brawl iso or a wii?
Its a modification.
>>318790943
Not in the united states, as that falls under fair use.
unless your that retarded anon who thinks "misrepresentation of a product" is an actual thing in copyright law that i was calling a fucking idiot yesterday.
>>318790943
It doesn't. It will when TPP hits though.
>>318774187
Not even a nintendofag, just a law anon here.
There's 0 chance that they knew Nintendo was going to sue.
You don't hear about that shit before it happens.
A C&D is a legal threat to sue. If that's what they received, they didn't receive a "threat', they received a C&D.
Literally inconsistencies in the first paragraph.
>this entire thread
Literally "it's okay when Nintendo does it".
>>318791152
While they'd never do anything SE related, let's not forget that SE basically functions the exact opposite of Nintendo when it comes to C&Ds. And that's just the latest to join Smash.
>>318785098
Every day here is 'Stinky Day' because smash autists never leave /v/.
Where's the daily Melee thread with that "-" oh THERE it is! I'm playin' "Where's Waldo's thread when Waldo's an autistic smashfag cuntbag that wont fuck off!" every day on /v/!
How does shit like this get stopped but Mugen using all kinds of different properties is allowed?
>>318790875
With teh way copyright laws work PMDT would still be legally on the hook for anything a open source PM did using leaked PMDT code, even if they didnt know which PMDT member leaked the code they would all be legally on the hook even though it was only one person who leaked the code and wasnt a joint decision.
Copyright laws are stupid i know.
>>318791217
Eh, it's grey.
Nintendo has grounds to stop pm from existing but pm has grown to be a big part of the community.
>>318790269
The only way it would have worked out how you wanted is if Nintendo bought the PM team or gave them special permission.
>>318777730
if were going by that logic, Sm4sh is Brawl HD/On-the-go
>>318788935
>haven't seen a Mario Retardy or /v/idya Rumble in ages
>Did you even read the resulting ruling of the gameshark case, it makes pretty clear the stance the supreme court took on modding.
Did you read the information of the Gameshark court case?
> In her ruling, Smith compared usage of the Game Genie to "skipping portions of a book" or fast-forwarding through a purchased movie; thus the altered game content did not constitute the creation of a derivative work as Nintendo had argued.
The Game Genie Case hinges upon two things
1. It does not actually alter the base product in any way. All it does it let you access things that you ordinarily could not have in the game, but are still actually in the game itself, just inaccessible or difficult to access. PM violates this to a massive degree
2. The resulting game, post Game Genie Modification, is still the same game, it can't be viewed as an entirely separate product. PM is in a much more gray area this way; If Nintendo took it to court, they could use stuff like PM having its own separate areas at tournaments as justification that the public actually does view it as a separate product. This isn't a guaranteed thing, but it is a major point against PM that would make their argument much more difficult.
>>318791343
Because the PM guys killed their own mod.
>>318790065
Okay. I didn't know if there was still an official method for the older version.
Thank you.
>>318791343
Is mugen at tourneys an actual thing? I thought it was just a all encompassing Crack head fighting game you played at home.
>>318791051
Because of how copyright works you can only sue over past violations if money was made off of them via direct sales.
PM was never sold, so by shutting down and taking down the DL's and not releasing 4.0 they've done essentially what you have to do when you get a C&D if you dont want to get sued, so there is no legal standing to go to court over (not that their was much of one in the first place, the only difference being is that the case would most likely get thrown out at hearings now instead of actually going to court)
>>318791370
Or just left them to their own devices
>>318791347
I meant since the beginning, not from now on
>>318774187
/g/ here
next time, stay anonymous and keep the brawl source code off the public in fears of potiental lawsuit honeypot
>>318789731
Got a main stage apperence in EVO 3 years ago, which got new blood and curiosity into the game.
Melee was close to dying as no new blood was entering, tournaments were becoming less and less, and the pot prizes were becoming less as well, the pro players were losing interest, Mango was thinking about retiring before Melee got the spot at EVO.
>>318784003
PM had every character in Brawl + 2 not in brawl. Not to mention an uncertain number (as in uncertain how many would have eventually seen the light of day) more in development not in any prior smash game.
>>318790875
It wouldn't surprise me if purging Wiiz a week before this goes down and him just "happening" to leak a build with the new characters was entirely intentional to some extent.
>>318790505
Individuals have to add and create their own characters and stages, MUGEN only comes with one character and one stage, it's not just one group.
You'd have to sue the entire world, which wouldn't work out at all.
>>318791659
They can't do that. As the OP said, and multiple other people in this thread have pointed out, leaving them to their own devices would have made it much, much harder for Nintendo to defend their IPs in the future, because inaction-with-knowledge is essentially the same as approval. Shit, >>318788090 is apparently trying to restart PMs development by arguing that PM is justified since Nintendo took too long to shut it down. It's because people can even argue that in the first place that Ninty HAS to take action. So they can either shut it down or hire them, but they have to do something.
>>318780269
>it's not modding though
Mod is short for modify. Doesn't matter how complex one has to go through to do it; it's still MODDING, and unless they start selling these things to other people, they are well in their right to do it because they own it and aren't tampering with anything that would get them arrested. Nintendo is just being far too protective about it. Not even SEGA is this stupid as they love watching the fans work with the hedgehog engine on the Generations PC.
>>318791150
Another person who hasnt actually read the TTP going to senate and is instead basing his shit off of the years old first draft.
>>318791676
I know, PMDT never made a dime off of PM, therefore by taking down everything by their own volition they are doing basically what a C&D demands clears them legally.
Also i dont know what "Reliable source" talked to the PMDT but a company can only take you straight to court if your ripping lines of code wholesale and selling them, i doubt any judge would take a copyright case over a free modification being passed around for free with minor copyright violations where the IP owning company never issued a C&D
Also it doesn't matter who, what, or how the PM source got out, the PMDT team would be legally responsible for anything from this point forward the open source team does (the open source team would also be legally responsible) because if they had never started the project their would be no source code, so since PMDT couldn't keep a handle on their code its their fault as well, even if they arnt involved anymore.
>>318792075
But that's the beauty of the matter- If Nintendo tried to sue PM devs... all they'd have to do it mention MUGEN and the whole world collapses unto itself.
>>318792186
They're well within their right to tamper with their own games. Distributing copies of a modified version of the game en masse, with people actually making money off of it through tournaments, is in a much more legally gray area. Remember, while making money automatically violates fair use, not making money doesn't guarantee that it doesn't violate fair use.
>>318791353
The only reason they have grounds is because copyright laws are ass backwards, im not advocating legal piracy or anything, but if you think copyright laws arnt biased in favor of companies and that the entire system isnt some bottom line helper system and not actually about law or all that jazz then you're crazy
>>318791538
Thats not the entire ruling, that just a tidbit from it, go read the whole ruling.
>>318792478
PMDT wasn't distributing modified copies, they were distributing a win merge esque code patch that didn't contain brawl code at all.
>>318792330
>I know, PMDT never made a dime off of PM, therefore by taking down everything by their own volition they are doing basically what a C&D demands clears them legally.
Warchamp (head of PMDT), reddit post friday dec 13 2013
>Glad you enjoy it!
>We don't publicly solicit donations, but we do have a Paypal [email protected]
>We also recently sold some official Project M t-shirts through Teespring. The campaign ended on the 9th though, sorry!
They made money off of PM. Whether or not this violates fair use I have no idea, but they absolutely made money.
Lunchables doesn't know anything about me. he's had me set to ignore on smashmods from the day he joined. what a buncha libelous crapola
>>318786954
>and because it's competing against smash 4
lies
explain me the time on their blog about the PM Clone Engine; when they said they aren't adding any Sm4sh characters into PM?
reminder that Little Mac was going to be in PM but got cut due to legal fears and gotten into Smahs 4 later on.
they even avoided Ridley at first during the pre-release.
>>318792825
No we weren't lol
>>318792836
They didn't make money off of the code, they made money from donations (which covered server costs) and tshirts that had "Project M" on them.
That wouldn't be admissible as evidence against PMDT in court.
>>318792842
>>318792951
>someone ignoring a tripcluck
OH THE HUMANITY!
>>318792907
Didn't PMDT change some of their character's moves to the Smash 4 ones?
>>318792951
I can make a tripcode and act like im a PMDT dev member too mister "15 post tripcode thats barely a month old"
Except im not a faggot.
>>318781510
soon under TPP, they will
>>318792951
Wiiz why did you leak the source code? Don't you think that was a bit over the line?
>>318793198
>fear mongering the post
will you keks go read the revised TTP already.
>>318793080
i don't think so
