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Are you ready for World of Warcraft on consoles?
can't wait
The DK changes were the best so far, so whatever it takes.
>>318758601
yeah one finisher and one builder so amazing lol
>>318758601
Rogue changes seems okay at least combat/outlaw, the class have been stale for so many years so it doesn't take much to spice it up.
Time to respec to Unholy DK bros
>>318760419
It's the exact same shit across all specs
You have 15 buttons at the max
>mfw demonology is finally becoming a spec about your demon instead of you becoming the demon again.
About fucking time, wrath babies bitching about metamorphsis leaving destroyed the spec and I'm glad Blizz told them to fuck off.
>>318760557
>Not wanting to be a fucking necromancer
>>318760701
>>318761052
shills fuck off
>>318761101
>Stop talking about video games!
Fuck off
>>318760557
what the fuck is up with pc faggots and wanting to press 4000 fucking buttons just to get the same effect as maybe 10 would?
>>318761052
wow has nothing remotely in the works of what i want as playing a necromancer.
>>318761259
ESO actually got this right. You get a max of 8 buttons and your shit doesn't get filled with 7 versions of the same damn spell
>>318757943
>this fag is in legion and not me
reeeee
>>318761371
Probably shoulda made SFM porn, all those guys are in.
>>318761360
hey why not go even farther and just have 1 button?
>>318761502
>it's different so its bad
Just fuck off, all you're going to do is bitch and whine
>>318761259
It's because options get taken away and Blizzard tends to remove fun spells along with it. Remember mind controlling people into lava or drowning them? Remember all the fun polymorph spells mages had? What about all the totem options shamans used to have? It may be streamlined and better, but there's that element of fun that is lost too.
As an enhancement shaman main I am glad we're finally getting pruned.
I'm just glad I can finally use fist weapons. They've been nearly useless forever, especially as a druid. Hopefully they will expand weapon transmog a lot and consider fist as 2h though, I know a lot of bears are gonna miss staves.
>>318761572
different isn't always bad, but this one is
so stfu faggot
wow is easy enough
glad I already quit
>>318761614
You can still MC people off the cliff. Polymorph variants still exist. I can't fit all shaman skills on the bars.
>>318761732
you mean enh shamans get removed from the game?
seriously though, enhancement was one of the most fun specs for me, but sure, make it a 4 button spec like every other spec
>>318761502
The whole having 10 buttons do the same shitty kind of damage and have the same shitty animation is fucking terrile. Have 4 buttons do damage, and 4 buttons have some utility. That way you can freshen up the gameplay and have it all about movement/pacing/survival, instead of just standing still and having to press 10 buttons in a certain rotation while watching your buffs/the enemies debuffs. Its absolute horseshit and it really needs to go away. Instead of 30 spells for every spec, have 6 basic spells, and 10 talent choices, with most of them being some kind of utility spell and add some more specs to freshen up the classes.
WoW gameplay fixed.
>>318761259
having odd niche abilities adds flavor to the classes and is fun because adds depth to the game.
You might have an ability that you "never use" except for that rare occasion in world pvp or that once instance in a dungeon where it just happened to be appropriate because of whatever odd situation that came up. It was a rare occasion but it was a moment you felt glad that you picked the class you did.
While I agree that taking away fun niche spells is bad, why the fuck are there so many people whining about having less than 30 or 40 active spells available at any given time? The situations which required half of them were not frequent enough to justify their existence, and the others were just there as named fodder that have since been fused with other abilities.
Some classes had too few abilities in WoD. I get that. Can we please stop pretending that having 100+ abilities makes tab-target combat deep? Because it doesn't.
>>318761848
what spec has 10 buttons to do "the same kinda damage"?
>>318761741
This is my concern as well. I'm glad survival hunters are finally melee, but I really don't like polearms or any 2H for that matter. I'd like to dual wield axes. I mean, I'll deal with it all the same, but I'd love to be able to transmog the spear into two axes.
>>318757943
console babbies are hilarious when a console MMO comes out, it's like they've never experienced the genre before and they lose their shit, being amazed, addicted, etc. I can only imagine what'll happen when WoW is released on a console
>almost every other class had their dps specs dehomogenized
>warlock specs are all converted into generic specs that all feel the same
I might actually quit this xpac
>>318762070
>ESO comes out on console
>Decide to see how console guys take to it
>They have absolutely no concept of tank/heals/dps. Character builds are laughable.
>They all cue for everything in the dungeon finder tool
>When they loot a corpse and dont find anything they yell "STOP TAKING EVERYTHING"
>There is no chat interface so in town people just talk over each other trying to sell their shit.
>Constant arguing over what class is the 'best'.
>Literally no healers to be found anywhere. People claiming to be healers are DPSers with one heal on their bar
It was an experience.
>>318762089
>he doesn't like imps gone wild the spec
Kill yourself. Demonology has always been the only reason to play Warlocks. Destruction is just fire mage/alt, and Affliction is alright, but not Demonology.
I can't even look at this game anymore without feeling like I'm going to vomit.
I wish Blizzard's HQ would just burn to the fucking ground so I don't have to watch this sick old dog get raped and shit on every two years.
>>318762250
sounds like they'll be right at home in modern WoW
>>318762259
Destro plays/ed nothing like fire mage
Affliction is no longer about slow death through DoTs
Demo looks okay
>>318762250
reminds me of when that rts halo wars came out.
>everyone mostly rushes economy for the biggest baddest units
>this one time team mate leaves at start so its 2v1
>instead of leaving the game like most people do in that situation i just do a timed rush
>crush them both effortlessly
felt like playing on godmode.
>>318761572
>don't critisize my game on /v/
Just got here from reddit?
>>318762774
>Showing up to a thread for a game you don't even play and don't plan to play just to piss and moan about how you don't like it
Literally shit posting.
>outlaw rogue
>>318762843
You literally want a hugbox. Get the fuck off my board.
>>318761909
Almost every spec has it. It being a DoT/channeling ability/proc spell doesn't change it.
Fury warriors for example:
>Wild strike
>Bloodthirst
>Raging Blow
>Whirlwind
>Slam (if specced)
>Storm Bolt/Dragon Roar
>Execute
These are the ones that I can remember from playing it a few months ago.
All of these 8 spells can be brought down to 4. 1 being a basic attack, one being a finisher/big CD attack, and the other one being an AoE attack. And one random attack Spice things up with talents/glyphs to change their way of attack and instead of those, add more utility/fun spells.
Add stance dancing back to it, with now only having 3 basic rotation abilities, it's now a lot more simple and fun. Each stance brings it's own usefullness. Drunken dwarven stance, some shitty samurai stance, some viking bullshit stance. Every culture has it's own view of a warrior from which you can lend from. Each with it's own style and utility.
Add weapon masteries to it, changing the basic spells into it's different weapon variant. Axes can be thrown, swords can be used to parry with, maces use overhead smashes, whatever. Spice things up.
This can be done for every class.
>>318762843
>you can only post in WoW threads if you have garbage enough taste to still play it
So you want these threads to be nothing but addicted morons?
>>318762890
>if you aren't baselessly shitting on a game, you're in a hug box
Sure Anon, I'm not sure if you're trolling or clinically retarded. But I'm going to stop replying now.
>>318762978
Why are you in a WoW thread if you don't play the game?
>>318762953
yeah all these abilities are different
>>318763163
>Why are you in a WoW thread if you don't play the game?
to enlighten the poor savages with his superior intellect obviously
feel like they shud go even further, make it like diablo
>>318763415
The Diablo spell system would be preferable at this point.
Or, y'know, just not fuck it up by removing everything in the first place for 0 good reason.
Wh-What happened to runes?
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20043464936
alpha testers posted about it.
>>318763230
>They have a different description which makes them different
They all do damage. That's it. Nothing special about them except for maybe Dragon Roar.
>Sidestep
Dash to 3 yrds the side you're holding. 6 sec cooldown
>Grab
Grab and choke the target. Stunning them. You can walk while grabbing the target.
>Earthquake
Slam the ground repeatedly. shaking the ground under you. Everyone in a 20 yard radius gets dazed. When dazed for longer than 4 seconds, you lose balance and are knocked down for 2 seconds.
>Gale
Swing your weapon in a circular motion, creating a whirlwind which travels for 20 yards in front of you. Everyone near the whirlwind gets sucked in and travels with it.
You can seriously think of anything and it would work great.
>>318763659
They are better now. Instead of having 2 Blood, 2 Frost, and 2 Unholy you just have 6 Death at all times.
>>318761917
It sucks to be pigeonholed into a weapon type like this so Im pretty confident they will fix that, with all the mog changes coming. But this is Blizzard were talking about. They just now 'fixed' the shityard
>>318761614
>infernals and doomguards are regular summons now
>no more releasing hostile infernals/doomguards on unsuspecting low levels
>no more playing doomguard roulette
>>318764016
>They all do damage. That's it.
uhm, no... fucking bullshit... you're an idiot
>Windwalkers are the final hope
Maybe they won't change them. It would take almost an entire redesign. Thought they did make Storm, Earth, and Fire a stupid-easy button press now. In MoP, a good Windwalker was an excellent player.
>>318764349
WW abilities
>>318764349
>all healers stand back and cast heals from range with slightly different mechanics
>finally release a monk healer
>fistweaving is a thing
>LOL NOPE BYE BYE FISTWEAVING YOU'RE LIKE EVERY OTHER HEALER NOW!
Fuck Blizzard. They could have done something cool with punch healing monks, but they chose to play it safe and boring.
>>318764136
>Being in denial
He's right. They all just do damage. One being an aoe attack, the other being useable after a certain parameter has been reached. Stop being a fucking wowfaggot defending it's 1995 gameplay. There's a reason why hardly anyone's doing tabtargetting combat nowadays
>>318757943
What is pruning? Haven't touched the game since early2009.
>>318764016
>different animation and flavor text doesn't matter
>damage is damage
>I want an excel simulator
fuck off, you boring piece of shit
>>318764659
>He's right. They all just do damage
no.. they don't... just looking at the very first ability mentioned, it doesn't only do damage... they all have some kind of effect to go along with... arguing that these abilities are all the same because they all just do damage is retarded... absolutely retarded
>>318764683
Pruning is an actual word. Ability pruning should be self explanatory. It's just the removal and cleaning up of abilities. Makes things more streamlined, but can also have the side effect of making shit boring.
>>318764683
pruning and merging
major gylphs are being pruned because theyre merged into your normal set or something
>Shadowpriest no longer has grip
>shadowpriest no longer has levitate
NO FUCKING LEVITATE
WHAT THE FUCK
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20044675022?page=1
general wow forum thread about it. anyone with an active sub can post. go and post!
so is this shit in beta now?
>>318764776
I was looking for a bit more detailed explanation because so far it seems like they're merging the extremely situational single purpose abilities with others to get rid off some of the bloat. But the Blizzard i know would never get this right and instead go far overboard nerfing stuff into the ground.
>>318762953
>>Wild strike
A quick strike with your off-hand weapon that deals 375% Physical damage and reduces the effectiveness of healing on the target for 10 sec. Bloodthirst has a 20% chance of granting 2 charges of Wild Strike that cost no Rage.
>>Bloodthirst
Instantly strike the target for 50% Physical damage, generating 10 Rage, and restoring 1% of your health.
Bloodthirst has an additional 40% chance to be a critical strike.
>>Raging Blow
A mighty blow that deals 200% Physical damage with your main-hand weapon and deals 200% Physical damage with your off-hand weapon.
Becoming Enraged enables one charge of Raging Blow. Limit 2 charges.
>>Whirlwind
In a whirlwind of steel you attack all enemies within 8 yards
>>Slam (if specced)
Slam an opponent, causing 150% Physical damage. Each consecutive use of Slam increases the damage dealt by 50% and the Rage cost by 100%, stacking up to 2 times for 2 sec.
>>Storm Bolt
Hurls your weapon at an enemy, causing 60% Physical damage and stunning for 4 sec. Deals quadruple damage to targets permanently immune to stuns.
>>Dragon Roar
Roar explosively, dealing x damage to all enemies within 8 yards and knocking them back and down for 0.50 sec. Damage ignores all armor and is always a critical strike.
>>Execute
Attempt to finish off a wounded foe, causing 350% Physical damage
Only usable on enemies that have less than 20% health.
not 2 of these abilities are the same, and there isn't a single one in there that only does damage
retard
>>318761327
I know this pain well. I just want to be surrounded by 7000 skeletons and a loose zombie running around being a retard while my bone colossus trundles forward, the beacon of the impending doom.
>>318765071
blood doesnt get raise ally?
>>318765392
yup
even priest lose levitate
>>318765425
its still there on the legion calculator
I can't believe the people actually being in favour of this extreme dumbing down and ability pruning
it's like everyone wants to play arcane mage all of a sudden
this used to be something people made fun of for how easy it was to play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISsOjfHgtws
>>318765636
why do you care?
they already stopped pandering to people like you a long time ago
>>318765792
true, that's why I stopped playing
well actually I stopped playing cause they are jews, but still
>>318765636
to be perfectly honest when there are bosses like gorefiend mythic or archimonde in the game I really don't care too much about exciting rotations. It's hard enough to keep up with the encounters without having to jump through three hoops every time I want to do something.
>>318764516
They removed Fistweaver? It was the only thing that kept me playing in MoP and the only remotely interesting healing class in the entire game.
How can people play this wreck anymore.
>>318763740
>vg furfag
his opinion is irrelevant
>>318765056
fucking bullshit man
>no more instant cast mind blast
>mind spike is a level 100 talent, and not even the best one
>>318766371
no instant mindblast is cool with me if it actually does damage. Mind Spike as a talent is fucking stupid though
Just checked
My Enhance shaman still has 25 buttons to press
so who cares
not my fault you're playing a babby class
>>318767014
this pruning people don't know about the fucking artifact skills and talents.
>>318767089
we know the artifact skills and talents already
>>318767014
Shaman isn't even available in Alpha to play you massive faggot
>>318767338
>what's a talent calculator
now go back to reddit
>>318767306
so you people are just shitposting?
>>318767415
for the most part they add a single button
which will be gone next expansion anyways
>>318767461
So I was right.
>>318764081
>there are people on 4chan right now who were born after ritual of doom was removed from the game
>>318765056
>shadowpriest no longer has levitate
Damn, I was really liking the direction so far, but this is some shit.
>>318767512
I'm not sure what message you're trying to convey
>Shit they took away like a dozen buttons
>But artifacts give you one!
>>318767597
>>318765056
>implying you can properly worship the Old Gods if your feet aren't touching the ground from whence their power flows
you're lucky they'll even let you fly
>>318767415
what?
>>318767804
half of the skills are from the old gods, the other half seem to be void related. they really don't know what they're doing
I mean its shadow priest. shadow. no void priest. not old god priest. its not hard blizzard, christ
>>318761856
WoW's design allows very little for interesting abilities. PvP has a huge CC problem, even after the whole original prunings were to fix this. It's not going to become more interesting until the whole 75-100% movement reductions are redesigned, yeah?
>>318767924
shadow powers for priests were usually void related
but void powers have fucking nothing to do with old gods so i really dont get that part
>>318761848
>WoW gameplay fixed.
No. At what point does 8 buttons promote movement/pacing/survival? Almost all utility is based on roots, polymorphs, and stacking other healing mitigations.
> >>318767983
the kind of ability pruning that is the most unnecessary is something like removing taunt from dps warriors... taunt isn't something that players use as part of their rotation, it's utility that you are taking away from players, because you think they can't handle more than 15 abilities on their bars... or maybe because console players can't handle 15 abilities on their bars.... seriously why not just let them have taunt and let them decide if they want to put it on their bars or not? if you think taunt is so useless as dps warrior, just ignore it... and leave people who want to maybe offtank in certain situations the choice to still use it... is your average player not smart enough to handle that kind of thing anymore? you need to pretty much make the skill unavailable to every dps warrior?
>>318768112
shadow priests should be worshipping dark spirits, aka shadows. not fucking void powers and old gods. shit its already in the lore
>>318764349
WW main since MoP here, I don't like what they are doing to the spec. They are slowing down the speed of the spec a lot because dumbasses won't be able to remember what ability they used last with the new mastery.
BoK now has a 3s CD but with the artifact when you BoK your next BoK becomes a different ability to go with the mastery, also supposedly a 3s CD.
TeB is fucking kill, just a 30% damage increase on a 1.5m cd and no longer the unique damage increasing ability it is now. RIP saving stacks for opportune moments like a trinket proc or an add, just hit it on CD now.
New ToD is okay, 10% of the damage you deal during the 8 second duration until it activates is added on to the total damage. It is also free and has a 2m CD and has no % or health requirement so you can use it more than once on single target bosses.
Serenity talent is now an upgraded TeB instead of its own thing and reduces chi spender CDs by 50% so now you can get a 1.5s CD BoK/WoK instead of the 1s GCD time you had to wait for.
I'm most pissed about the TeB change than anything else, but they are also making zen med and fort brew pvp only abilities which fucking sucks. I'll have to play it for myself and I am unlikely to change classes but I am still angry about a lot of the changes, I should have expected the worst when I saw they were dumbing down SEF.
I swore I'd never return to WoW after WoD drove the final nail in the casket... But I'm getting dangerously hype for Legion. A lot of the class changes seem like fun, especially the two ones I already played (Sub Rogue and Shadow Priest)
Help me /v/ros, how do I avoid wasting dollarbucks on neo-blizz?
you know looking at the talent tree
they could totally do 2handed prot warrior if they rework the mastery for a little bit with that new ignore pain thing
but i doubt it
>WoW is being dumbed down yet again for its eventual console release.
>Meanwhile the MMO designed for console has some of the most complex rotations of any MMO.
Why is this allowed?
>>318761052
i'm still mad we never got a real honest to god necromancer class
DK is still just an edgelord pally at the end of the day
>>318768692
meanwhile a real FF MMORPG made for PS2 barely has rotations.
Don't pretend your dumb WoW clone is anything special please.
>>318768863
rev up your hype engines for the inevitable world of diablo necromancer class.
>>318768692
>complex rotations
Except it's usually just your opener that has a bunch of shit going on since you have all your cooldowns and ogcd abilities to go through.
>>318768692
>dat button smashing
it's like the gcd is too slow for that player
>>318768634
Play or don't, you're gonna be a faggot either way
>>318768974
http://www.diabloii.net/blog/comments/diablo-will-never-mmo-says-blizzard
>>318768974
it'll just be some boring ass fuckboy summon class like the witch doctor, i can't ahve an army of skeletons like a real necromancer
>"wow blizz pruned my favorite spell!"
>still ressubs anyway
>>318769108
>believing blizzard's lies
once WoW dies they'll be scrambling for a replacement
>>318757943
Can this game just die already? Please?
>>318769461
They have it already. Its called hearthstone.
>>318769461
they'll never make an other mmo. why have people spend 15 a month for actual services, when they can spend at LEAST 15 a month for stupid cosmetic shit or a card your one modeler shat out in a week?
>>318768692
I play monk, it's fun and I enjoy the amount of buttons there are but I do think the game suffers from ability bloat a bit. What are they going to do next expansion? Give everyone 5 more abilities? A lot of the off GCD abilities pretty much do the same thing and are just a bit of extra damage to hit every 30 seconds or so.
Shit like bootshine, true strike and snap punch could be combined into one ability, each doing what they do now depending on the stance you are in and then moving you to the next stance. Might be a bit boring at lower levels but they could give you shit like dragon kick earlier.
>>318769067
I'm personally not a fan of the GCD length, thus why I chose a monk for the skill speed buff in greased lightning. Skill animations are long but satisfying which make the wait seem shorter but I could easily play the game with a 1s GCD. Didn't expect the class to play like a melee affliction warlock though with all the buff/debuff tracking
>tfw tanks ask me wtf I'm doing in dungeons when I multidot
>>318769067
it's two slow for anyone remotely familiar to playing an mmo.
however ffxiv is sort of like being in a nazi asylum for the mentally-handicapped.
sure there are activities to do and a mainquest so god damn long and repetitive it can only be a ploy to keep the mentally retarded confined in one space for multiple hours.
A roulette gives you random partners who most certainly will be retarded, partially because the wardens of the game have decided you are to handicapped yourself to handle any content.
and everyone dies.
>>318769020
MCH has to do that exact rotation every 90 seconds. You spend 1/3 of your time doing that. When most bosses can be 15+ minutes you spend a lot of the time having to do that opener rotation. It's not like the regular MCH rotation is less complicated than WoWs, it just has the crazy complex burst that you have to work in for 1/3 of the fight.
>>318769067
That's the easiest way to clip GCD. Canadian servers man.
>>318769659
woah, sounds like every rollercoaster MMO in existance
>>318769659
the main quest pretty much killed my interest in the game. i have NEVER seen an MMO railroad me as hard as that, not even WoW at its worst did that, you at least had the freedom to level in whatever zone you want. but FEATURES OF THE FUCKING GAME are literally locked behind it, meaning you have no choice but to do it. what the actual fuck.
>>318769787
do you mean themepark?
>>318767630
He's conveying that you are talking out of your ass, which you are. It's hilarious how much the "OMG ONE BUTTON FOR EVERYTHING ABLOOBLOOBLOO" people exaggerate the actual situation and then get angry and defensive when their lies are proven false.
>I don't care if 950 out of 1000 buttons doesn't actually do anything important, it makes me feel so much better about my life and I can use different buttons form everyone else to feel unique and special!
>if you're not tying your fingers in knots to avoid an AoE from a boss plus thirty adds with random attack patterns while maximizing your DPS with a thirty-button chain that you must press at the exact right time at the exact right place on the floor or else you instantly die the game is for kiddy babies who suck!
>>318769936
Man, you sure love sucking blizzard's cock
>>318769836
yeah, that's the word
>>318769809
I see this complaint a lot and I certainly agree, if I didn't enjoy the story of the game I probably would have been upset.
What if someone wants to level crafting instead of a combat class because they enjoy that? Well good luck after 50 because you are going to have to do a 100+ hour story until you can get to Foundation to continue your crafting.
>>318770040
You have no dog in this race if all you can do is ad hominum instead of give an actual counter-argument.
>>318768692
every time i see a video of any other class i regret maining WHM
even the other healers have more active roles. i should just level fucking sch
>>318762875
>Subterfuge is a spec that focuses on the trickery and dirty fighting aspect of a Rogue
>Assassination is a spec that focuses on efficient killing aspect of a Rogue
>Outlaw is a spec that focuses on.....the pirate stuff aspect on a Rogue
Why did they do this?
>>318770076
it doesn't help that the story is boring, it always boils down to "okay now go run all the way on the other side of the world to talk to this guy. okay now run all the way back. kill 20 zuus."
i have pretty much the same complaint with TOR, all the dialogue for quests boils down to "i will help you because i am jedi jesus/i will begrudgingly help you because i need the xp but im still a dark side dick fuck you kid/i don't want the xp and the roleplaying in this game sucks"
Frankly I hate the button argument entirely.
Why does MMO content have to be about pressing certain buttons in certain rotations all predefined because that makes planning easy.
Sandbox games are even worse.
We need a new level of games that make people actually use their brain to solve shit cognitively instead of loading down or up on button skills.
I'm not saying get rid of them but there needs to be more variety over all together maybe.
>>318770204
>sub rogues = ninjas
>outlaw rouges = pirates
>assassination rogues = assassins creed
>>318770204
Outlaw is Combat, which was the spec where the Rogue fought out in the open instead of from the shadows and using poisons and such. Blizzard made it so that you're a scoundrel/swashbuckler type of fighter.
>>318770204
Outlaw is a spec whose lore and mechanics focus on skill with blades and unfair fighting, being a masterful fencer and swashbuckler, with themes drawn from various types of outlaws not just pirates.
>>318770204
They just renamed combat. Its not a big deal
>>318770158
>ad hominem
This ain't debate club, nerd.
You're advocating needless ability pruning. You're scum. That's all there is to it.
>>318770232
there's some good to it but its padded to fuck because hurrrr mmo. at least the heavensward main quest was paced slightly better
Anyone that thinks ability pruning is a good thing is a shitter thats never played in the upper echelons of area rating.
>we removed abilities that noone ever uses, we are doing you a favor!
Yeah, no. Very few classes survived the wod pruning unscathed and most of them now feel clunky and disjointed.
Games dead, let it go.
why even press ANY buttons at all? why be a fucking nerd loser who plays video games when you can just watch them do it for you?
>>318769787
>rollercoaster MMO
>>318768692
Nice burst. Now good luck sustaining that as a MCH.
Also watching your buffs tic down before you even get a hit in hurts
>>318770518
Tell me why we need a thousand buttons. How many abilities do you want that do the same thing with slight graphical differences to sate you need for so many buttons? Why do we honestly need a thousand buttons? What purpose other than making you think the game is super-complex and deep does a thousand buttons accomplish?
>>318770924
>a thousand buttons
nice strawman
>>318770881
>Also watching your buffs tic down before you even get a hit in hurts
You've never played MCH have you?
>>318770735
>There is nothing in between! Only opposite extremes exist so I can rage and piss and whine at the universe!
I love this mindset, it's hilarious and sad. Yes, too few buttons is bad, but so is too many. If you never use them, why do you want them? For the illusion of feeling that you have such complexity and deepness?
>>318768692
As someone who has played XIV for the last couple years, it is literally nothing more than a dumbed down copy of WoW.
2.5 sec GCD ensures combat is boring with a minimal skill ceiling.
>>318770924
>they all do the same thing but look different
I dont like this meme. When can I have back my spells?
If you want more buttons, look at TOR and see what happened to the combat in that game.
>>318771067
Are you going to answer the question? Doesn't matter how many I specifically name, explain what the purpose and point of having a huge number of buttons is.
>>318769787
>rollercoaster MMO
>>318768352
All of this shit started with WoD when they decided to force WW to be a burst class with ToD, Serenity, higher cost jab, slower energy regen, etc.. They should be ashamed, it's like they didn't even look at how it plays before forcing such significant abilities and changes on it. Making Tigereye pathetic is just the icing on the cake from the devs that clearly hate the spec.
I did very well as a WW Monk throughout MoP, and I thoroughly enjoyed the class, playing it as a main starting at ToT to the end of the expansion. With WoD, before I quit, I found myself angry at how much the game blocked me from being able to play, and how dull the spec had become. I enjoyed DPSing more with Brewmaster than WW, a shame you could only use the tank stance or I would have raided as a DPS BrM.
>jab finally replaced
Wow it only took them 4 years.
To all the "We need lots of buttons" people:
What and how, exactly, do you want those buttons to do?
Let's take Blood Death Knight, for example. What more do you want them to be able to do? List the abilities you'd like to have on them, along with brief descriptions of what they do, and Rune/Runic Power cost.
Also, these have to be different enough from other Blood DK skills and skills the other classes/specs have to warrant them being in, and they must fit the spec's fantasy.
wait what....when did this happen??
>>318757943
I never understood what was so cool about your screen being cluttered with useless icons. Especially when your rotation consisted of only 3-4 skills. Is it to delude yourself into thinking that hotbar combat system can be complex?
>>318768352
TeB was literally cancer and so was the old mastery.
>>318771371
So that you have many options and can react to different situations with certain abilities or create nifty combos out of them.
I mean your argument was flawed from the start, because WoW never had many abilities that did exactly the same thing.
I only played this game intensively during BC as a warrior and I can't really think of any redundant abilities.
And please don't say Slam, because you'd look like a total idiot.
>>318757943
You made this thread twice on the MMO-C forums already.
>>318771758
I'm no faggot DK but compared to vanilla when my warrior had a disarm, two charges, even two interupts depnding on how good you were..stance dancing, sap breaks and such - stance dancing seperated the men from the boys
now it's fucking nothing, I never switch stance unless I'm taking a beating and need some barrier/mitigation. It's sad.
>>318772098
I've played since Vanilla, and there were a shitload of buttons I never used, and I always did tops in DPS. Most of what's been removed/adjusted since Vanilla served little point other than minor utility, and hardly anyone cared about them.
>>318772410
Yeah right, go on, look at the warrior forums and see how little they care about, let's say, the old Overpower.
At least they have new animations
>>318772638
Yeah, the new animations look fucking great.
>>318770204
What did Combat focus on? It was based on fighting, just like the other two specs?
Its the spec that always lacked identity.
>Started in WotLK as Druid Healer
>7 main abilities in constant use, 10 cds/rare uses
>Cataclysm
>5 main, 6 cds/rare
>Mists of Pandaria
>4 main, 3 cds/rare
>Warlords of Draenor
>3 main, 1 cd
By my calculations in Legion i'll be clicking 1 button all the time and my whole raid will get Rejuvenation and Regrowth applied to them automatically.
>>318772638
genuinely thought this was LoL the first time I watched it desu
>>318773178
How long have you been blind anon? Just wondering
>>318772638
I guess since they're making the game require 2 buttons to play, they need to somehow make people interested with something on the screen.
>>318770924
>Tell me why we need a thousand buttons.
>Why do we honestly need a thousand buttons?
It's not "a thousand" buttons, you autistic dick-licker. That exaggeration doesn't work, unless you're seriously trying to imply it was ever too much to manage.
>How many abilities do you want that do the same thing with slight graphical differences
>that do the same thing
This has never been the case. Give me some actual examples or fuck off.
With less abilities, there's less of a need to use your brain. You don't have to learn when/what abilities to use, what abilities compliment each other, or the order to most efficiently use them in. Just use your filler and pop what little cooldowns you have. Great, awesome, exciting! Rotation-based combat is unengaging enough already, and they've been gradually pruning them already. The last fucking thing this game's combat needs is even less things to do.
>>318772638
We dual blades now
>>318764516
Fistweaving was absolutely fucking awful and impossible to balance. Either you drop all the healing requirements for raids or you make them the mandatory healing class.
>>318773768
So fucking wrong, but they didn't even try so what do we know. Fistweaving was so half assed that it wasn't even funny. It was literally just 3 moves with some HoTs thrown in. If Blizzard actually put some effort into it, it could have been a neat niche healer. But they didn't and so we got the most terribly balanced class in history with it.
>>318774628
Being a damage addition + having competitive healing means that they're objectively superior to every other healing spec. So either they do shit damage and thus make the whole process worthless, do shit healing which means they don't exist after LFR, or you remove it and focus on making them mist centric. Holy Paladin is a melee healing spec now and is pretty much a better formula.
what's the deal with this "wow on consoles" meme anyway?
>>318773295
Believe it or not I actually do know people that don't play wow because it isn't flashy enough.
WHEN ARE THEY ADDING LEECH HEALING, EVASION TANKING AND MAGIC TANKING SPECS?
>>318774849
Think about it:
>Lots of visual and animation changes to make the game look more interesting in motion
>Classes are having their abilities pruned at an alarming rate
>Most classes could be played with 3 - 4 buttons and a modifier button
>Diablo 3-style legendaries
>Diablo 3 ported to console recently
>A lot of new abilities rely on random procs, don't require precision
>Blizzard appears to actually be putting effort into things for once, something's up
It's not likely at this point, but they could easily be laying the framework for a consolized version of WoW. They would make an insane amount of money off of it - if it's technically possible, why not do it?
>>318775535
i'd say wow2 or hell, even warcraft 4 is more likely at this point.
>>318771538
But jab rules.
>>318757943
I'm tired of this bullshit costing 15$ a fucking month.
>>318775950
>wanting to ruin the game with F2P shit
you got the PLEX system in the game right now you cheap cunt.
>>318776154
>pay monthly fee
>there's still cash shop items to buy
>this is ok
you're an ass hat if you think there's any difference nowadays
>>318776154
30-40k gold and that means I still have to purchase at least a month or so. That's assuming I spend every waking moment I don't have better shit to do to accumulate that kind of gold each month. Shut the fuuuuuck up.
F2P doesn't ruin shit. Saved plenty of other games if they were worth saving in the first place.
I'd rather more poorbabbies enter the game and actually have people to play with instead of playing alongside the last few remaining pretentious blizzfag shills that think this game has a life in the monthly hell of 10 years ago.
This game is 11 years old. I think they've milked its saggy tits for long enough. Fag.
>>318776348
>being this much of a retarded faggot retard
>>318757943
>World of Warcraft on consoles
>spell bar in image has more than 4 skills
That's not how gamepads work..
>>318776497
>F2P doesn't ruin shit.
Retard.
Also
>That's assuming I spend every waking moment I don't have better shit to do to accumulate that kind of gold each month.
Casual idiot retard.
>>318775081
around the same time they add 4th specs for all the classes. So likely never ever.
Although if they did I'd imagine:
Deathknights get a pure ranged dps spec.
Demon Hunters get a spell DPS spec that involves mana burns and spell-stealing. They could also get a ranged physical dps spec akin to the Diablo 3 Demon Hunter.
Druid Gets nothing, they have 4 specs.
Hunters get a pet tanking spec where their gameplay involves lots of mini-tank swapping and splitting damage between pet and hunter.
Mages get a Chronomancy based healing spec. "Rewinding Damage" to undo injuries.
Monks get a ranged Spell DPS that's basically hadouken spam: the class. Perhaps have some pseudo ranged spells that are like Seven Sided Strike?
Paladins get a ranged Holy DPS spec. Holy shocks, smites, and concecrations.
Priests get a mid-ranged bubble... perhaps even a vampiric leech-tank spec as well as you suggested, similar to blood DKs.
Rogues get evasion tanking, perhaps convert Outlaw into this, I kinda feel like if you're going to do a "less stealthy, more duelist" rogue you should be able to have a tank variant.
Shamans get an elemental styled tanking spec. You shift through various elemental shields to do certain things: Lightning to build up threat, earth to block and absorb damage, water for some clutch self healing, etc.
Warriors get a healing spec, all based on shouts, banners, and setting up shield blocks.
Warlocks get a demon tanking spec involving leeching and putting as many demons in between you and your enemy as possible.
>>318776539
wow grade A rebuttal
GO HOME METZEN.
>>318772638
Here's more combat I found
>>318776539
>average blizzfag argument
>>318776715
>>318776767
>mfw this samefagging retard thinks I'm actually arguing with him
>>318776636
>ruin
>wow
Come on son, it's just you and me here, no need to lie.
>>318776636
>ad hominem
Metzen just kill yourself
This game was designed for casuals and had a monthly tag slapped on to it just to make them feel justified being pretentious fucktards.
As long as the shit isn't f2p they won't have the discerning eye of the general public laughing at how disgusting the game has become.
>>318776735
New Charge animation
>>318776853
>two people call me a retard
>it must be a samefag
>>318776539
>>being this much of a retarded faggot retard
...or maybe you're just a hypocritical fool. Do yourself a favor, and don't scroll down to the comments, unless you want to feel stupid, because even the people who play this game frown upon the cash shop.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/11941666/shop-for-pets-and-mounts-in-game-12-10-2013
>>318772638
isnt that monster hunter?
>>318776896
>mfw retards cant tell the difference between ad hominem and a regular insult
>>318777090
>>318777068
>>318777023
You're killing me.
>>318776616
>more than 4 skills
>gamepads
Every time they've tried to make an MMO for consoles it always turned out to be a big disaster. They just need to give up already.
I quit in Cataclysm, is this a good time to fall back into the WoW swamp? Can you play Demon Hunters yet if you preorder?
>>318775081
DH are magic tankers. I mean so are monks, if you can chi or ki or whatever as magic. they also use alchemy to tank, i.e. brewing drinks
>>318777165
>acting like a fucking idiot while calling others retards
>"lol so funnay, lol!"
You need to be over 18 to browse this website.
>>318776965
>Charge animation looks rad as fuck
>no longer stuns when the animation is now perfect for it
Fuck this world
>resub for a month
>rush friend's alt in lowbie instaces because nothing else to do
>he gets sad I won't resub since I only wanted a month to make a 100 boomkin
>buys me a month so I'll keep running him
>barely logs on anymore because he gets back with exgf
Such is the life of a mid 20's guy. Never have a full time WoW friend...always some normie wanting a girlfriend.
>>318777165
>>318777165
>(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
Try harder. Try again.
>>318776735
>can't see any of the animations underneath all those damage numbers
Neat
>>318777502
>buys me a month so I'll keep running him
>barely logs on anymore because he gets back with exgf
You need to follow your own path in life like they do. You were born alone and you will die alone. Just saying.. I'm not trying to be an edgefag, it's just how it goes.
I have been playing my shaman on a game pad since WotLK so it wouldn't really change much for me.
The only real problem has been targeting which I solved by using the right stick to move the mouse cursor, because tab targeting didn't allow me to change targets how I wanted to in boss fights.
>>318777438
>mfw retards who get called retards get triggered
>>318777541
>an insult is an argument now
Keep going.
>>318777541
>Try harder. Try again.
Please don't encourage him. Just send him to lurk more, where he belongs.
can we complain about lame "artifact" weapons here? I mean they basically just took some leveling greens and said here you go, they're legendary now
I can't fucking believe people still play this garbage fucking game. MORE ability pruning? Fuck Blizzard, just fucking go bankrupt already.
I'm playing XIV in complete spite, and it's the best MMO on the market because Blizzard are so fucking inept. This is my middle finger to them. Fuck you Blizzard. Kill yourself.
>>318777754
>targeting
>using the right stick to move the mouse cursor
>stick to move mouse cursor
Do you also enjoy inserting needles into your eyes for fun? Maybe pulling your fingernails off with pliers? What other masochistic tendencies do you have?
>>318777935
>FFXIV
>The best mmo
I was expecting bad taste going into a WoW thread but not THIS bad.
>>318761848
Sounds a lot like guild wars 2. Incidentally, I love the combat in guild wars 2
>>318757943
They couldn't make shadow priests any less fun to play so I don't even care at this point.
>>318777474
Well its different if you're protection. Though you'd have to choose shockwave over this.
>tfw 25% more hp talent
>up to 35% in PvP with a pvp talent
>finally 40% more hp if you're tauren on top of all that
Going to be a pain in the ass to deal with in pvp
>>318778127
It's the best paid MMO. What else is better?
>>318770204
Did they rename subtlety?
>>318772638
I didnt know they added new animations like that, it looks fucking great
>>318778221
>paid
who cares about nitpicking? whats next, best mmo with the letter g in its name? an mmo is an mmo
>>318777917
There's absolutely no possible way to make appealing looking daggers.
Now, fuck Rogues because they are stuck with this garbage anyways, but why did they give Shadow Priests a dagger? Thats just evil.
>>318778221
Oh paid mmo, well you do have a point in that case I suppose. Black Desert might top it since that seems to be subscription based, but that's just speculation right now.
>>318778334
So they are all shit then. Makes sense.
>>318775081
>Leech Healing
Death Knights
>Evasion tanking
Guardian Druids
>Magic Tanking
Death Knights and Paladins
Where the fuck were you
>>318778392
the game already has appealing daggers that only look bad now because they'll never give them HD treatments. though despite that they're still better than the weird shit they come up with these days
>>318778221
It's the best paid because all of them are shit including FF14
>>318777935
Its almost 2016 and FF14 still has no fun skills like Heroic Leap, Deathgrip or Warlock Portals.
Game is so fucking lame.
post more animations
>>318778517
>>318778531
FF14 is still the best because it hurts Blizzard, and that's all I care about.
>>318778392
>but why did they give Shadow Priests a dagger?
>why did they give evil Twilight cultists a dagger
what should they have given them?
>The Warrior Class Hall is literally, literal Heaven
WHY HAVEN'T YOU REROLLED TO WARRIOR YET???
>>318777786
Hey bud. Just showing you the definition states argument OR "reaction".
You're the one that can't seem to comprehend basic English.
I'm done trying to help you out.
>>318778623
>an MMO with a tiny playerbase completely made up of people who wouldn't play WoW anyway hurts Blizzard
how?
>>318778772
I never left
>>318778623
How about you just dont play at all you fucking retard?
Blizzard isnt magically leaking money just because you chose waste money on a shittier game.
>>318778630
Twilight Cultists usually used sticks.
>>318778798
Literally more people play XIV than WoW now.
>>318778881
I'd literally like to see a source for that
>>318778772
Been prot warrior for 11 years, nigga. Prot warrior for life
>>318778881
Oh boy, here we go.
>>318778798
>tiny playerbase
>4.4 million
>>318778881
Not yet. 4.4m and WoW has 5.5m last they gave numbers.
>>318778630
Not that guy but.
A staff imo. And fuck the Twilight.
They're a cult for a reason.
>>318778939
Can't, Blizzard isn't showing sub numbers anymore. It's as good as dead at this point.
dunno what to think about this new feature. seems like an excuse to not voice one shot characters anymore
>>318779023
How the hell can you make any claims about sub numbers when even you don't know? Fuck off retard.
>>318778994
Rev up those reaction images
>4.4 million
>>318779161
Servers on XIV are full.
>>318778772
>valhalla
>heaven
Fuck you amerikek
>>318779037
You always had unvoiced characters in the game.
Its just that their text only showed up above their heads and in your chat.
>>318779238
Okay?
>>318779169
Yes, 4.4m. What's your point senpai?
>>318778772
>mfw Rogues go into the gutter
>>318779281
this is from the legendary weapon questline. no one is voiced. at the very least people in important questlines had been voiced before
>>318772638
does the damage move away from the mob in the direction he is swinging?
If so HNNNGG
>>318778531
Lock portals are all but useless. Can't use the shit in any of the the raid situations that would merit it.
Only use as a shortcut but can't cast it without a clear path (ie not over chasms) and have to wait out cast time+ to even use the damn thing. By the time it's even ready it'd have been faster to just fucking walk.
Are the only people still playing this people with too much invested in the game? I mean, no one finds this fun anymore, right?
>>318779367
>4.4m
Do you truly believe that?
>>318779423
Asking about FFXIV or WoW?
>>318778994
>4.4 million
Prove it faggot
>>318779169
>>318779423
Sunken cost fallacy keeps people playing, just like LoL.
>>318778772
Warrior here
This looks like shit, desu. This is literally just "We made two class halls for Paladins lol fuck me we forgot about Warriors uhhhhhhhhhhhhh give them this one and say it's Valhalla kek"
Where are my Dwarves?
Where are my weapons?
Where are my feast halls?
Where are my arenas?
Where are my colours that aren't exclusively worn by Blood Elves?
>>318779417
You put them up before the fight.
Plenty of people use them.
>ability pruning
>bad
How exactly it is bad?
I will admit i didn't like the ability pruning with the WOD prepatch, especially on my fucking warlock, but it is not like things are too casual now, unless you're literally braindead or playing fury warrior\arcane mage.
>>318779267
>valhalla
>not a type of heaven
>>318779406
It's most likely going to be voiced. It just hasn't been implemented in the newest alpha.
I'd play it I'm enjoy ffxiv and always wanted to give wow a try
>>318779716
>its only alpha!
Its still a phase they want people to record and pimp on their youtube channels. I somehow doubt its not finished at this point
>>318779608
Pic related, my bars ui.
Rate it, go on, i fucking dare you.
>>318779603
Dude. They disappear the moment the boss is engaged. Wtf. Is this Metzen again? Stop lying to people.
>>318779824
Stay with XIV. It's better than WoW in every way.
>>318762843
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXQkXXBqj_U
>>318779864
>DK
>Calls anyone else brainded
tiptopkek
>>318776616
Shit its been awhile since i played FFXIV with my DS4 but if i remember the way they do it you have 16 ability buttons, 4 on dpad, 4 on the face buttons and then holding L2, switched to Bar 2, and let you use another 8.
There was also another option to scroll through more bars by pressing R1. And another option i didn't use to make it so you could have even more buttons. It takes some getting use to but it does work and felt comfier for me since i don;t have a mouse with keybinds.
>>318779864
>binding 6 and 7
>binding alt
Shit/10
>>318779864
Half of this is mounts, toys, professions..
A total of what, 5 actual combat spells in there?
Haha...
>>318779981
Mmmmh, anon.
Delicious.
A fine goddamn cup of Butthurt™
>>318780027
we don't all have baby hands, buddy.
>>318780027
What's the matter? is the keyboard too big for you?
I want manlytears to leave.
>>318780027
alt is pretty shitty. how do people press that one for anything they need to do more than once in a while such as vanity shit, since you can't misclick it in combat
>>318778772
>mfw the warrior hall's hearthstone is you fucking sky jumping to valhalla
>>318780103
Go back to Northrend, fag.
>>318779526
I've never played FFXIV and I don't know how long it's been out, so WoW.
>>318779540
I quit in MOP when we had a year of SoO but I was mainly just collecting rare enchanting and engineering recipes at that point. I can't imagine anyone playing through WoD and then having the thought process of "Yeah, that was sweet. I'll give Blizzard more money"
>ability pruning
>they won't get rid of awful once every five minute abilities
THE WORST
>>318779897
Not now it isn't. They're both equally shit. I just quit XIV after a year of playing because there's nothing to do in HW except grind a tiny number of dungeons once a day for gear that barely matters.
Not that WoW is any better mind you.
>>318779592
>Where are my Dwarves?
>Where are my weapons?
>Where are my feast halls?
>Where are my arenas?
all there senpai
>>318780264
h-holy shit
source on that?
>>318779897
So I've heard but just wanna scratch that itch. Tried to play wow but my laptop is trash
>>318762250
What level were you? Most people wisen up after hitting VR10 or so and start to specialize. That being said there are a lot of idiots on consoles.
Tbh I was hyped for consoles release and I migrated from PC which was probably the worst decision ever, because even though I prefer to use a controller in this game its impossible to find groups and good groups are non existent. Guilds are a clusterfuck too. MMOs without text chat just don't work
>>318780297
You can stop hating DKs now, anon.
Monks and DH have succesfully replaced the [shitter] class.
>>318780373
http://legion.wowhead.com/spell=192085/skyjump-to-halls-of-valor
Leaving the hall is you crashing into dalaran like a meteor.
>>318780472
monks are the least played class by far
dks are low too, even though they start at 58.
you're old and busted, DH will be the new sauce
>>318780472
No, they haven't.
Monks are fags because their animations are shit and they healed too much too fast it pissed me off in PvP.
DK's are still fags.
>>318760557
It's more like 17-25 depending on your spec and how many active talents you take. Druids will have more because forms and shit.
>Rogue Class Hall is still Dalaran Sewers, barely even updated
>a humid underground that the mages above literally shit in
>instead of glorious Ravenholdt Manor
T-thanks Blizz. At least you're finally admitting we're shit.
>>318761371
I'm in too. Might not play.
>>318779693
It's not, stop trying to draw connections between Norse mythology and Abrahamic ones.
>>318780359
Those are Vyrkul not Dwarves.
>>318780027
It is actually very good, as testing with the hotspot addon gave me a score of 93 reactivity, and the maximum is 100.
I use that configuration for all of my 8 alts since Wotlk, and i never had a problem.
Still, it is totally shit in pvp.
>>318780645
theres money laying around everywhere I guess. just like how people lose change down sewer grates
>>318780645
Forgot image
>want to play vanilla/burning crusade WoW since i never experienced it
>look up some old gameplay footage
>them graphics
man I miss early 00's cartoon grafics
>>318780532
>>318778772
Fucking awesome, much better than the faggot paladin.
>Gathering nodes are no longer exclusive and now allow everyone to gather from them before they expire
rip making money with a gathering profession
>>318779824
>>318780380
It's honestly just more of the same but with far less story, and what's there is retarded (le corruption :v))
Not worth it unless you can be bothered to get to max level and farm sub gold in a month
>>318780645
>>318780746
I don't get this, I've been a rogue since release and I've always wanted to call Ravenholdt Manor my home..
>>318780532
MY DICK HAS REACHED NUCLEAR PERFECTION
LOOKS LIKE I WILL FUCKING REROLL A WARRION IN LEGION
>>318780027
>Implying
>Hear about ability pruning
>Go to the sub leddit and ask why the fuck this is okay
>Get down-voted to oblivion
/v/ really is the only sensible place left on the internet. Fucking shit eating drones.
>>318781101
>I WISH MORE OF MY BONES WERE BROKEN
don't lot me in with you oldfag retards who think more useless shit is better
>>318781101
plenty of retards defending it here. the only upside is that le downboating doesn't happen here
>>318779883
Why are you telling lies on the internet?
>>318780604
Aw, did a death knight gank you or something?
>>318781101
>someone has a different opinion than me, it must be a drone!
Yeah nah, /v/ is still a sea of piss; you're just so used to swimming in piss that you can't take other seas anymore.
Daily reminder that /v/ isn't the whole world, anon.
>>318780532
>he wasn't joking
>>318781204
>Having more spells is bad
>Removing content is okay
Please fucking die.
>>318781212
And unlike leddit they get their shit pushed in for being the brainless drones they are.
>>318779827
Can't we just say we don't know yet?
It is an unfinished product after all. If it's not voiced in the finished version then you can call blizzard lazy hacks and be right, if it's voiced then who cares
>>318781318
>Someone defends cutting content and dumbing down the game
>They aren't a drone, they just have a different opinion!
Fuck off. /v/ is a sea of piss but it's more tolerable than a sea of shit which is every other gaming board apparently. How people tolerate the slurping sounds astounds me.
>>318781352
no one gets their shit pushed in on the internet. they're just stupid words, like everything else. someone brings up a point you can't counter? don't reply to it. thats hardly getting your shit kicked in
>>318780840
GOOD
FUCK GATHERING EVER SINCE BLIZZARD PUT IN CROSS REALM
>Oh fuck there's the ore I'm looking for
>Fly over to it
>Right before I click
>Some faggot phases in already taking it
>It's gone
WOOOOWWIEEEEE
THANKS BLIZZARD
>>318781101
>/v/
>sensible
>>318781506
its not like SEEING the person going up to it would have changed you not getting it first. phasing is still stupid and gay though.
>>318781318
No.
What the Death Knight did was stand there and pve heal himself in a 5 man and do everything by himself for 6 patches before Blizzard gave up on balancing Blood as DPS and just went "ok lol it's the tank spec now"
>>318781604
You can kill them if they are opposite faction. Or take a different path if they are your own.
>>318781604
No. But I wouldn't have fucking ran up to it if somebody else was right beside it.
>>318781498
If we can deter one person from re-subbing to WoW we've done our job. It's pretty much the same as preventing people from joining a gang.
You can lead a jackass to water but you can't make them drink, you're right.
>Played from Vanilla-Wrath
>Resubbed shortly in WoD
>Legion has me kind of hype. I really like the direction Arms is going.
It still bums me out that they're giving Paladins Ashbringer. Warrior Class Hall looks meh. I understand it's supposed to be Valhalla but the BE colors really ruin it for me.
>>318781749
>people like this actually exist
Of all the things in the world you decided to dedicate time to this.
>>318780794
Paladins got dicked over with their quest lines.
>go to the broken shores, kill some demons, talk to tirion before he dies, loot the ashbringer
>oh by the way we got a secret clubhouse below light's hope chapel. portal's over there
>you highlord now, now fuck off and level to 110
meanwhile warlocks
>meet up with the council of the black harvest in the dalaran sewers
>help with some ritual
>accidentally summon a pitlord
>pitlord captures you and brings you to a legion portal world
>some treasure goblin looking nigga is helping you free your black harvest bros because the pit lord is being a dick to him
>you barely escape the planet while the pitlord manages to re-capture your bros
>fucking long ass quest line involving the karazhan crypts to obtain the affliction scythe
>get back to the portal world and slap the pitlord's shit
>use his fucking heart to enslave all the demons on the planet making it your class hall
>>318781318
>Redditor trying to defend his shit website
Nice retarded argument by the way
>>someone has a different opinion than me, it must be a drone!
>he has a different opinion
>gets his speech hidden by people with a different opinion
>>318781895
Blizzard is legitimately destroying PC gaming with their jewish casual shit. So yeah, I dedicate time to setting people straight and stopping them from giving ActiBlizzard money.
They were heroes, but became villains and they need to be stopped. They need to die so we can remember them for who they were, not who they became.
>>318782101
He's actually serious.
The fucking madman.
>>318780654
My nigga
>>318781615
Yep, mad.
I'm sorry anon.I can solo hcs as blood while the rest of the party watches me raping everything.
>>318782132
Whitewashing this shit is how Blizzard is still in business. Because of faggots like you who enable them.
>>318782019
>fucking long ass quest line involving the karazhan crypts to obtain the affliction scythe
Wait these are finally being used for something? About time. Feels good being a warlock, sorry palakeks.
>>318780264
>tfw warriors confirmed shiny and chrome
>>318782209
Keep on fighting that good fight, boy.
Show them who's boss.
>>318757943
Would Holy priest be good for PVE healing this time around? Never bothered with it.
>>318782340
does it have bubbles and damage reduction yet? no? thats still discipline? sorry, looks like you're still shit out of luck
>>318782340
Always depends on the current patch.
Holy has been both strong and weak lately.
>>318782302
>>318782610
Please return to Reddit.
>>318782019
do you have a lino to lock questline?
>Really, really like polearms
>Blizzard constantly keeps taking polearms away from my Warrior
Should I just re-roll to hunter?
>>318782696
He's taking his internet crusade very seriously.
He's doing it for free.
>>318782101
>falseflagging
>2015
Are they adding anything new to Boomkin other than HD models or should I swap to my Gladiator as main?
>>318770924
>he doesn't know about the fun utility moves that were pruned
What is eye of the beast, mind control, ritual of doom, etc.
>>318783245
Boomkins are getting reworked again and Gladiator is gone.
>>318783245
>Gladiator
I'm sorry.
who /demonhunter/ here?
>>318783245
uhm, anon, about gladiators.
>>318783245
meme spec is being removed
>>318783310
>>318783374
G-Gladiator is gone? WHY?
So why the fuck is Shaman info no where to be seen? Especially Resto Shaman.
I mean our class hall wasn't even revealed.
>>318783245
>gladiator
Steiner...
>>318783520
Shit was gay.
Any info on how demon hunter tank plays?
>>318783563
Shaman is being removed on account of the Shaman class devs not knowing how to let you down any further without just completely deleting the class.
>>318783520
It was fun, Blizzard hates fun.
>>318783563
Your class hall was revealed during the blizzon anon is the maelstrom.
>>318783374
Sorry for what
>>318783563
shaman class hall is the maelstrom
i'm in the same boat as you though, waiting for vengeance DH info is suffering.
>>318779513
>He believe wow really has 5.5m sub
>>318783680
For purging this city.
>>318783563
Resto Shaman isnt getting many changes.
Was there anything wrong with it?
Felt solid.
>>318783564
>>318783612
>>318783672
I'm so fucking enraged with this piece of shit game. Gladiator was the only spec I liked other than boomkin for seven years of my WoW playthrough and they are just removing it.
fucking metzen bendshot cocaine addict piece of shit hack
>>318784071
>Gladiator was the only spec I liked
gladiator is shit since day one bro that's why they are removing it.
>>318784152
>Implying it wasn't GOAT day one and then nerfed to shit month 2.
>>318784071
I dont know what people liked about it, aside from the concept of using a sword and shield for DPS.
The gameplay was boring as fuck and when it was allowed to have competitive DPS it was bullshit because of the superior survivability it offered compared to the other specs.
>>318783671
Finally, my soul can rest.
>>318783678
>>318783703
Being told what the class hall is versus seeing the class hall is two different things.
>waiting for vengeance DH info is suffering.
Aren't Demo Warlocks also suffering as well?
>>318783790
>Felt solid.
I dunno, I quit during Throne of Thunder because of guild drama. I was tired of 20-30 year old men fighting over loot.
All I remember is Disc Priests not allowing you to heal at all and Paladins snipe healing everything.
Did it change at all?
Wonder why Blizz added monks. They clearly hated them every step of the way. In WoD my dps pretty much stood still the first months. Simply because everytime I got a new piece of gear they threw another 5% nerf at windwalker. Sure they were op to begin with, but my god did they decide that monks had to die. Only did decent damage on storm, earth and fire bosses in the end. And gave up.
>>318784207
it was shit and that's why they nerfed it to the ground.
I'd love a gamepad mode for WoW, just lay back on my sofa and bang out garbage quests while chating with a buddy over skype
>>318784257
Paladins will always be the strongest single target healers.
Discs shields are getting toned down.
Resto didnt change a lot since MoP. More focus on chain heal rather than healing rain, smart heals dumbed down a bit and a talent that allows you to force your chain heal bounces onto your riptide targets so you get more control.
Aside from that its pretty much the same shit, and always strong.
>>318784279
Monks came too close to Mage DPS, and when you try to challenge Mages you'll get your legs broken because you dared to try.
>>318784152
>>318784207
>>318784254
I was genuinely expecting they would add similiar functions to other tank specs but now they are just completely removing it. They are adding dps to Disc. but that's fair ...
*flies into thread*
hello /v/! I wanted to ask, how do you feel about pandas?
It's just how Blizzard sees Monk's class "fantasy", to get fucking destroyed and replaced by their new edgemen class.
Is it true that multistrike is going byebye? While boring shit they just added gets to remain?
>>318784771
The way they add DPS to Discs is by taking away their shields and heals.
Its not like Gladiator at all.
>>318784374
>gamepad
Woah anon I still think WoW would be too complicated for the target audience
It should just be one big button that you just hammer like mad and your character auto-walks through dungeons and shit
We would add a lot of particle effects and RNG procs to make players feel epic and cool
I have not read anything but I have a feeling Enhancement will still have way way too many buttons compared to other DPS.
>>318784631
Fire Mages has to be the highest dps dealers, that's how they balance classes.
>>318784886
Versatility will be left in yea.
Some fucked shit right here.
>There are people
>People in this very thread
>Who are playing a class not Lock/DK/Shaman in legion
Its like you hate fun
>>318784993
Fire isnt too hot right now
Arcane and Frost are dominating except where you can lolcleave for dank parses
>>318784993
At the time it was frost/arcane.
Its always x/arcane because arcane always has the best scaling of all classes and specs.
since when is less buttons = bad?
not trying to defend wow but c'mon, guild wars 1 had 8 buttons and look how deep the gameplay was.
Do enchantment shamans get new attack animations?
>>318784531
We were only strong during progression due to people actually taking damage.
I just checked the new Holy Paladin mastery and it feels like a copy of ours, but with the Paladin needing to be close.
This without a doubt will make them the go to healer for Tanks and Melee DPS.
I wonder why they're doing that, I don't remember Holy Paladin mastery being THAT bad.
>>318785005
I don't even know how to respond to that.
Ballsy move tho.
>>318784254
Dunno about others, but it was the most frenetic high intensity playstyle. In order to play it correctly and get the most DPS you needed 100 APM minimum with all the off cooldown shit you had to do. The only other class that came close was Fury warriors and they only had like 60 APM required during their burst phase. I liked having shit to do, playing a class where you press a few buttons every once in a while and watch the global cooldown in between is boring.
>>318785203
Having less buttons isn't bad but having less options is objectively bad
Removing fun spells or interesting ones just because "they arent in muh rotation" is fucking stupid and takes away from the class's identity
>>318784795
I want to marry a female Panda and kek all the males out of existence
>>318785203
The buttons being removed are the ones that add complexity
Compare Mists Fire Mage to what Lejun Fire Mage will be
No dank combustions featuring PoM and Alter Time to build a massive chain of pyroblats
Now Combustion is just a basic DPS cooldown, you dont need to care about your ignite and you dont even get to pool a second Heating Up because its too hard for casuals
>>318785273
It wasnt bad, they just want to make them melee healers as a new concept. And they kinda wanna get rid of shields.
And you know, they even give you a talent option that simply copies your mastery effect onto your Beacon, so you can still stay and range and heal into the melee/tank camp.
>>318785414
Only thing you will accomplish with that is kek your own genes out of the gene pool.
>>318779408
yeah it does, i saw it on the dh stream
>>318785087
>Fire isnt too hot right now
>>318785005
>>318784886
The problem is multistrike was just another name for crit near the end of WoD. It really served no purpose that wasn't already filled. Removing it completely seems a bit overkill as it could have been nice as spec or class only. Shaman for instance fit perfectly with the multistrike fantasy as do a few other specs/classes.
>>318785550
I kinda wonder if Blizzard does this kind of stuff on purpose.
They had like 10+ years to learn about balancing classes. They gotta be doing it on purpose to make more money on race/faction changes.
>>318757943
The barren toolbar.
One type of rune.
BUT GUYS IT IS SO SIMPLE AND STREAMLINED NOW
>blizzard shills full on damage control
>>318785620
Shamans will be alright because they are getting their old multistrike passives back and thats much better than the homing turd rockets they got now.
I just dont know why they are keeping versatility.
Thats such a gay stat.
>>318785569
>implying I wouldn't impregnate all the female pandas
>>318764414
Oh, b-but they pruned all the abilities! !
>>318784913
I think it could be done, 4 face buttons with the R trigger as a swap on them so you got 9 skills right there. Map everything else to the the bumpers and D pad, I think it would work fine for basic questing.
>>318757943
I'm honestly shocked after WoD people still trust this company
>they realized they fucked up
No? They demand a new premium price for it then spread their ass cheeks and shit out half a game to fill up 18 months and 11 million retards still opened wide. If anything they realized how easy they can abuse their bitch boys
>>318785569
It's a known fact from years of erotic fantasy that non-human females are addicted to human dick and won't go back after having a taste. If you just fuck 2 panda chicks that takes out a good amount of potential future panda males.
>>318785738
Its not strictly about balance, but also about concepts they try to push, for better or worse.
Doesnt help that they change so many things with every expansion that it might as well be a different game every time.
>>318781859
Just posting to say I am jelly of your sword
So, we have holy warriors with paladins, dark warriors with DKs, and nature warriors with Druids. Now we need magic warriors to round it all out.
>>318764349
>complaining about what they did to Storm, Earth, and Fire
that's a shitty skill that required a lot of time to set up correctly, at least now it's faster
>>318785620
But I like it on my lock...It's fun
>>318786047
Enhancement Shamans are the elementalists pretty much.
>>318786128
I forgot about shamans.
>>318786263
So did everybody else.
>Second Alpha patch with no info on the Demonology Artifact
G-Gettin worried
>>318785919
>Doesnt help that they change so many things with every expansion that it might as well be a different game every time.
At least it keeps it kinda fresh. It's neat to go into an expansion and learn some new things, rather than already knowing what to do and being on the same ride.
>fame and fortune
>each weapon have a specialeffect
cool
>>318786386
I dont mind it unless they fuck things up.
And thats the thing. If you change too much there's no guarantee that it will always work out.
Thats why I keep multiple classes ready just in case.
Just looked at the new talent trees for warriors, Heroic strike is a fucking lvl 90 talent now.
>>318779238
Game has less than 400k people at max level
How many of those still play + small servers
Fuck off retard
>>318785850
Can humans and pandaren breed with each other?I'm pretty sure Pandaren males have tiny dicks which is why their females go for other species
>>318757943
These are your PvE abilites only, right? Surely you have omitted some skills that are only useful in certain rare cituations/PvP fights? It can't be this fucking bad.
Pic is my vanilla UI, cluttered as fuck, but I still use most of the bound shi really often.
shit game
>>318767983
Except it had it all before, not every class needs to function the same way
>>318786749
>vanilla mage
WoW will never be good again.
>>318786749
99% of artifact weapon talents are passive
Most PvP talents only add 2-3 abilities.
Is there specific PvE talents? Don't think I have seen those
>>318786749
Actually there are pvp only skills/talent tree now.
And half of your shit is pointless, who the fuck keybinds their hearthstone outside of vanilla paladins?
>>318787015
yes but many are passives as well
>>318787015
six tiers of talents, five actives if you dont take the passive options.
>>318785354
Gladiator spec was always retarded because it had the same playstyle was protection. It only felt fast because it was the only melee class to have a free, spammable filler ability, devastate. That talent should have just given protection shield charge and additional rage generation in battle stance so that they could do a bit more damage.
>"expansion" pack
>i have less abilities than i had before it
did blizzard forget what the word expand means?
>>318786981
It's fun, better geared caster classes give me hell though.
>>318787015
>>318787079
So the OP picture is just the pve stuff only?
Also, having HS bound is useful, though I probably need to remove it to the hidden bar with all the portals and stuff.
>>318782696
>including literal three tiny room hallways the size of Stormwind Inn in the numbers of dungeons
>against literal 30 minute dungeons
Gayest shit 2015.
>>318764659
>There's a reason why hardly anyone's doing tabtargetting combat nowadays
I honestly can't think of one "successful" MMO that isn't tab targetting.
>>318787475
Yeah but as I was saying most of the PvP/PvE talents are passive, so add another 5 abilities to that picture, that being said passive abilities might be better for other characters so you could get less
>>318787475
my spec (ret paladin) will have at absolute most 26 active abilities in legion, only 21 of which are usable in pve. This is compared to 34 in WOD and 40 in MOP. Pretty sure even more in WOTLK but not sure how to test it.
>>318785387
>but having less options is objectively bad
Not when those options are objectively worse than options present in the same kit.
Why do the pedophile weebs have to ruin every WoW thread?
>>318776616
>implying even console retards couldn't handle 4 face buttons + R1 to swap to second bar + D-pad for 8 more slots
That's 16 slots, easily
>>318787771
>>318787824
But guess there's also racials, bandages, pots, profession-unique items? Is engineering useless in WoD?
>>318787771
>ITT people who don't play WoW shitpost about it
Quit being retarded. Op dosen't have jack shit for abilities on his bar for whatever reason. You idiots can literally go to wowhead and look at DK skills.
Here underlined are passive talents, please backpedal in how this is 99% passive.
>>318788032
>4 face buttons
>r1, r2, l1, l2 for 16 more buttons
>can cycle up or down for another movelist
I could see it honestly senpai, theres not that many buttons left to press.
>>318788164
Re read his first post you humongous faggot
>>318786981
>implying it was ever good
WoW was always casual shit from day one when compared to its predecessors, the Big Three (Ultima Online, EverQuest, Asheron's Call)
>>318787883
Yes, but stuff like that was removed long ago. Back in vanilla wow, some of your abilities were "strictly worse" versions of other ones, but that hasnt been the case in forever. Whats being removed now is situational stuff.
For example, ret paladin is having taunt removed. Sure, as a ret paladin I'll rarely use taunt, but having it opens up the door for all sorts of shit (bubble taunting to save tanks, bubble taunting mechanics(whole strats can be built around this), bubble taunting after tank death to save the raid, taunting to move a boss around)
>>318788130
>racials
One ability
>pots
idk when the last time you played, but pots are super limited now. Fun stuff like free action postions are gone, now what youve got his health pot, 2 kinds of mana pot (share a cooldown), and a stat boost pot.
>engineering
useless in wod, supposed to be reworked for legion so we'll see
>>318788164
Thats the WOD tree you literal retard, the legion one gives him at most 5 more abilities because one row is entirely passive and he already has one from another row
>>318788626
It's making class identities more distinct. DPS classes shouldn't have taunts.
>>318788626
>bubble taunting to save tanks
>Then the boss turns around and wipes the raid with a cone aoe
I fucking hate you ret faggots trying to be useful
>>318788767
How is it making class identities more distinct? "bring the player not the class" is still in full effect. Buffs/debuffs are still limited to like 10 categories. Every class is still balanced to do the same damage.
>>318788858
>he thinks everyone is as incompetent as he is
stop projecting familia
>>318788528
How much keybinds did Everquest have, then?
Did it give birth to any PvP'rs renowned for their skill?
Oh wait, in your book "casual" means "you need to grind 100 times less". There a thin line after which "epic items making you feel you've earned them" turns into "having to do a huge chore to get shit"
>paying monthly to play a single game
>paying monthly to play anything online at all
two stupid things in one. wow players will feel right at home on consoles.
>>318788767
>It's making class identities more distinct. DPS classes shouldn't have taunts.
Why the hell not? That shit came in handy every once in a while.
not sure if i really want to get roped in to another expansion. its bound to happen.
>gonna play for a few months
>recoup with old guildies
>realize it is just end game is raiding
>pvp is going to be awesome then a mess later down
>>318788917
Because you, as a DPS, have no functioning use for taunt. It's removing unnecessary fat and preventing people from being retards like >>318788858 describes.
OP here, it's not as bad as I first thought, but the prune is still real.
Expect anywhere from 20-25 abilities, not counting macros and PvP talents.
>>318788767
>DPS classes shouldnt have taunts
If right now some DPS classes have taunts and some dont, isnt removing taunts from DPS making classes LESS distinct?
>>318789058
Can you not read?
>>318788626
shows like five uses for taunt for a DPS.
Sure if you are an awful player you'll have no use for it, but should the game be balanced around retards?
>>318789071
WW monks to me were so cool with flying dragon kick, but mistweavers were unkilleable
not as bad as priests or druids though. they made them so hard to kill. fuck almost all healers are hard to kill except maybe paladins
>>318788967
I join up at every expansion with the intent of riding the roller-coaster for a few months then I quit.
The first few months of a wow expansion are usually a lot of fun, pvp is entertaining before the tryhard sets in, the leveling is always a good time, fresh dungeons are interesting and the first raid tier is usually pretty well put together.
After those months the skinner-box content is pushed and the game is no longer worth playing.
Sub when an expansion is about to hit, quit a few months after. you'll enjoy the game a lot more.
>>318789152
>LESS distinct
No, because they're hold overs from the tank specs classes instead of, rightfully, being exclusive to the tank spec.
>Can you not read?
Just because you think you're being useful doesn't mean you are, if the tank is at all competent he doesn't need some retard Ret dropping a taunt on something. You ruin more things than you save with it in the game.
>>318789202
>Resto's getting literally one cast off to full heal after beating on them for 5 minutes straight
>>318789294
>No, because they're hold overs from the tank specs classes instead of, rightfully, being exclusive to the tank spec.
You do realize that some classes that didn't even have a tank spec used to have a taunt?
>>318789294
>less distinct
Yes, less distinct. Right now DPS can be broken into two categories, ones with taunts and ones without taunts. In legion, there is only one category, DPS. That is by definition less distinct.
>>318789294
>you arent helping!
Look man, i dont know what kind of low level retard raiding you do, but good players are able to make those high risk, high reward plays. You can make entire strats around cheesing stuff with bubble taunt, and bubble taunt being gone is a lack of variety and options.
>>318789537
Now they don't because it was a retarded design decision.
>>318789601
How is it a retarded design decision? Please, explain it to me.
>>318789537
Frost shock wasn't a taunt idiot
>>318789559
>you can make entire strats around cheesing stuff
Big wonder why they are getting rid of this niche bullshit that is only used in exploit cases
>>318789559
>but good players are able to make those high risk, high reward plays
Jesus christ you don't raid, like at all do you?
>>318789559
But I want my class to be able to do everything that every other class can do. Why should one class have better AOE or better CC? This is bullshit. Class distinction is classist. I want every class to be made equal in their ability.
>Blizzard confirmed for affirmative action
>>318789730
>only used in exploits
is saving your raid after a tank death an exploit?
is taking stacks so your tank has time to drop his after an OT death an exploit?
>>318789815
Your LFR or Flex experience doesnt count as raiding senpai, just sit down. If you think that bubble taunting is some kind of aberrant thing you are an awful player.
>>318789559
>DPS taunting the boss and killing half the raid to protect the tank who was perfectly fine since tanks have 6+ defensive cooldowns is a HIGH REWARD play
God damn this is some hilarious shit
>>318789716
It's been explained to you in multiple posts. It's a tanking facet put into a DPS class who has no use for it. DPS players like to think they're helping but the reality is having it just means that you run the risk of having some tard "help" the tank and taunt away aggro at a bad time. It's being removed because it's useless in 80% of situations and exploitable in the other 20%, thus it's an awful design decision.
>this mad that you can't ruin a run anymore
C'mon now.
>>318789916
I dont think thats what i said chief, pretty sure i said taunting to save the tank, which implies he will die without it. I know those normal mode bosses arent much of a threat to your tank but you gotta remember that isnt even raiding.
>>318789975
>this whole post
Holy fuck youre a league player arent you?
>>318788939
i'm sorry you are so casual you want everything spoonfed to you without having to work for it, that's just embarrassing.
EQ also isn't nearly as grindy as any korean game like classic maplestory or lineage 1 or 2, so you just make yourself look even worse by complaining about how grindy it was.
i'm sorry you couldn't be in a top 5 gamewide guild getting game first kills everywhere because you're too casual.
>>318789907
There are zero abilities that bosses do that give stacks that drop fast enough for you to "save" your tank. If your tank is getting too many stacks your off-tank fucked up. Hell its the offtanks entire job to do what you are "attempting" to do.
Bottom line is, if your tank is dying/dead. Someone important fucked up, and your dumb ass is only delaying the inevitable
>>318789728
Distracting shot
>>318790102
UHHRUUDRUUGUUUHHHHHH LOW HEALTH TANK BETTER TAUNT FOR HIM :)
>boss turns around
>tanking cooldown is wasted
>if at distance the boss will be moved out of position
>aoes can hit the rest of the party
IM HELPING :)
>>318788626
>>318788917
>>318789907
>>318790102
Thanks anon I never get a chance to use this image
>>318790245
>boss does an ability every 30 seconds that puts up a 30 second debuff that means you cant tank (say naked and afraid on sha of fear, just first thing that came to mind)
>OT is dead, main tank is about to have the debuff applied leading to a wipe
>bubble taunt right before buff is applied, tank the stack
>main tank taunts back, can go back to killing boss
>>318790265
No one said that at all you incompetent retard
>tank calls he is out of CD and will die to next ability
>healers call they have no external to give him
>run to front of boss and bubble taunt tank the ability
truly the modern wow playerbase is the lowest of the low
>>318779827
You should a seen the start of the cata alpha. It was wotlk with an 82 level cap, no other tangible difference.
>>318790527
>Then this happens again because the OT is dead and you're forberanced so you can't do the trick again
wew lad
>>318790695
This alphas are the new open beta's and beta's are demos at this point.
>>318786749
>you will never add certain Rank 1 spells to yours bars again in order to save mana
>>318791025
Rank 1 moonfire never4get
>>318790824
Yup pretty much. Although if its a physical attack i could do it again with a BOP on a physical dps with a taunt (druid, dk, warrior) or a healer with a taunt (monk, druid, paladin).
The point is it was something you could clutch and make the difference between a wipe and a kill with good play. It was something unique paladins brought. Now its gone. That is class diversity, skill cap and strategy variety all diminished, which people are somehow trying to portray as a positive.
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