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>Swords do more damage than guns
>people are still so retarded they don't understand bending realism for the sake of gameplay
>>318680480
i'd think getting your arm sliced off is more deleterious to your health than getting shot in the arm
>>318680480
Depends on the type of gun and type of sword, right?
>handguns do more damage than rifles, per bullet
>>318680480
>shoot somebody with a gun
>they get a puncture wound
>slice somebody with a sword
>their body is not in two pieces
Ranged weapons in general, aside from bows are usually seen as cowardly, and impersonal.
>>318680926
By who? Dead people?
>>318680480
Balance, of course the weapon that needs you to get up close would do more damage than one that lets you damage a guy yards away from him.
a gun can do a lot of damage but not every gun can. a 22 is a joke and many laugh at 9's. buck shot isnt reliable in terms of stopping power if your not point blank
a sword can hit and cause a larger wound pattern than a bullet if the person is strong and the blade is sharp
guns dont scale. a weak person and a strong person firing the same gun makes no difference on the damage it will do to the target only the user
>Bows don't have any STR requirement
>swords do massive damage
>knives barely do damage
>>318681057
Kekmate
>>318681185
>a 22 is a joke and many laugh at 9's.
>falling for the 9mm is weak meme.
I bet you think .45 ACP one shots people too.
>Get an increase in Strength
>guns do more damage
>>318681057
fucking destroyed
>>318681057
>>318681057
You just point and kill someone/something. There's no skill, physical ability, or anything like that really involved. The greatest hero in the world could be downed by some random who pulls the trigger on them. Imagine just walking into a boss fight against someone/something built up from the beginning of the game, and downing them in one hit, so fun and satisfying right?
>Bow do more damage than guns
>Two weapons have the same caliber
>They do different damage
>mfw a kekerrydoo near me thinks having a gun on his person will matter if somebody even remotely skilled at using a knife is after him
>>318683626
longbows did do more damage than arquebuses
>>318683630
but that's possible
>>318683630
that happens in real life too retard, ever heard of a thing called muzzle velocity?
>>318683680
retard
>Weakest enemy is the hardest boss in the game
>>318683680
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFr30p0aZl0
>>318683424
>someone who has never seen Wizards
Best part of the whole fucking movie is exactly what you're describing because of the way they built all of it up. Who else has seen Wizards that knows what I'm talking about?
>>318683913
One of the first things you're taught in a CC class is to never assume somebody with a knife can't fuck you up just because you're packing.
Skilled knife users are a shitton more deadly in a "from neutral" situation. Of course if you walk around with a gun at the ready in public it might be a different story.
>>318683935
Any games besides Undermeme and KH2 do this?
>>318684170
Chocobo Dungeon 2
The weakest enemy makes a wish at the legendary crystal at the very beginning of the first dungeon and becomes monster god final boss.
>it's another pseudo weapons expert thread
>>318684160
wow anime has really gone downhill in the last decade. no wonder the memes exist.
>>318681330
why should they, it's important where you land the shot
>>318680791
deagle vs mosin
>>318684391
historically the strength of the user was just as important as his skill with the weapon for military archery since it allowed you to use larger bows and hit targets further away. The independence of crossbows and early firearms from the user's strength was their biggest advantage (in addition to being much easier to train someone to competency with).
>>318683964
My fucking nigger. I still can't watch it without wanting to fap to the fairy queen though.
>>318683964
Yeeeesss I saw that shit when I was like 15. That gnome just oneshots the dark lord after they were getting ready to have their epic wizard duel for the fate of humanity. Was even better than the famous Indiana Jones scene.
Makes me think of how rekt Harry Potter's crew would be if a squad or two of seals were deployed into Hogwarts.
>>318684170
When did KH2 do this? Something in Final Mix?
>>318684391
It's also important to be able to pull the bowstring in the first place
>>318684363
It's pretty much the same.
>>318684807
Can you at least post non-shit art?
It saved me a lot of ammo during the Krauser fight in RE4
>>318684807
He could technically be correct. Most rounds you're going to be able to buy for a nugget aren't hollow points. An x54R might have more velocity than a .50AE, but a .50AE hollow point would certainly cause more damage to flesh than a regular old spitzer x54R.
>>318685046
>zeiro
>shit
you fiend!
>>318684770
movie?
>>318684770
>>318684160
yojimbo did it better
Anyone with even a lamen's understanding of physics (like me) knows that a gun typically outdamages a melee weapon in real life, like how bullets can penetrate steel plate but a sword was fuckin' useless against that shit, bruv. Without delving into the physics of it, the whole armor thing should be enough anecdotal evidence right there to prove the point.
However, from a gameplay perspective, it makes sense for a close range unit/character to deal more damage than a long range one, otherwise what would be the point of using anything else?
>>318683964
I'll never forget that line where he's like:
>mom taught me one more trick before she died
And just blew that nigga away.
The T-1000 terminator got fucked up yo
>>318684770
Damn, H8ful 8 is looking gr8
>>318685265
>lamen's
its layman's just fyi
>>318684916
Demnx was exceptionally harder than any of the other O13 members.
>>318684770
That's fucking retarded.I love it.
>>318681185
>a gun can do a lot of damage but not every gun can. a 22 is a joke and many laugh at 9's.
Getting shot with a .22 is literally like having an ice pick rammed into your body.
A 9mm round will fuck your ass up too.
Getting your body perforated with buckshot is going to fuck your ass up.
Whether you're stopped dead in your tracks and killed immediately or not, getting shot in your core mass by any gun is going to greatly inhibit what you can do and without prompt treatment will likely kill you in the vast majority of cases.
Beyond that 9mm hallowpoints have a far more deadly ballistic profile that .45 FMJs and when you compare .45 hallowpoints to 9mm hallowpoints the difference isn't that significant.
Factoring in the greater ammo capacity of guns chambered for 9mm vs. .45 ACP that's potentially more rounds coming at you at a negligibly lower "stopping power" when considering hallowpoints, and even when not 9mm FMJs are still very lethal, so that's all to say that 9mm firearms are preferable and more efficient killing weapons compared to .45s when you load them with hallowpoints.
And it's a lot harder to prevent getting shot than it is getting slashed by a sword and getting shot will wreck your shit.
So no, swords are not more powerful than guns and scaling is irrelevant since guns just plain fuck your ass up.
>>318681185
>stopping power
Stopped reading there, how about you get educated on munitions and ballistics before you find the need to give your opinion you fucking troglodyte.
>>318685439
It's so stupid but so good.
>>318685389
See, told you I was a layman. No frontin' from this guy.
>modifying the gun makes the bullets do more damage
>>318680480
>Knives are a one hit kill regardless of what part of the body they hit
>blocking bullets with swords
>cutting missiles in half
What are some /k/ approved video games?
>>318684785
It'd be like those Somalian pirates with those Navy snipers. They'd all get dropped before they knew what was happening.
>>318682916
>dangly parts.
>>318685680
Stalker. New Vegas. ARMA 2.
>>318685581
well, making the barrel longer will make the bullet go faster
>>318685680
Black, apparently. The game isn't extraordinary but the guns look swell
>>318685447
its also worth noting that any shot in your upper abdomen will be fatal without medical attention even if it doesn't hit your heart.
Breathing functions on a vacuum, when you breath in your diaphragm expands creating empty space that gets filled by air, then when you breath out it contracts pushing air out. If you add a second hole into that system you can't get a vacuum so you'll suffocate unless you can get it patched up.
>>318685680
http://amagicalplace.wikia.com/wiki//k/_Approved_Video_Games
>>318683630
Happens all the time.
>hitting someone with the butt of the gun does more damage than shooting them
>is the case no matter what gun
>>318685680
call of duty
counter strike
halo
>>318685846
The game is great, fuck you.
And yeah it had by far the sexiest weapon animations of that gen.
>>318680480
Would you rather be shot in the arm with a 9mm, or hit with a claymore?
>>318683424
>no skill
You have never shot a gun have you anon.
>>318686045
Sorry I only played it once or twice years ago. Guess it didn't impact me much.
>>318685581
>modifying the gun makes the bullets do more damage
Actually, depending upon the modification, this would have an impact upon the ballistics of the round.
If you compare a similarly rifled 6 inch barrel to an 18 inch barrel, the round exiting the 18 inch barrel will be more accurate and powerful. Think of it like a runway, the round can accelerate longer with a longer barrel.
As soon as the round leaves the barrel the pressure behind it dissipates and the round begins losing velocity.
So, adding a longer barrel would increase the velocity of a round, thus improving the "damage."
So, yeah, that's how it works.
You people with your whole "muh honorable swords" thing going on sound like I did when I was a 15-year-old virgin.
Get out in the world, learn about some things that really matter, and broaden them damn horizons.
What we all need to understand is that weapons development doesn't care about personal preference or what's cooler or more honorable, it only cares about what works. If swords were still viable in today's battlefields, we'd still use them, and I don't know about you but I don't really see any outside of ceremonial use.
Don't get me wrong, swords are beautiful, deadly works of art in the right hands, and they will always have their spot in history, but in today's world they've just been outmoded.
Most people want to do this little thing called "surviving" when placed into a combat situation, and they're going to use whatever weapons platform they can get ttheir hands on to maximize their chance at survival.
Having to fight someone is bullshit anyways, only adolescents or mentally/emotionally unstable people will tell you otherwise, and if shooting your ass with a rifle will let me come home to my wife and my dog at the end of the day, I'd do that every single time instead of risking getting sliced and diced by some jumped up kid with an overinflated sense of purpose/honor.
Just sayin
>>318684449
>deagle vs mosin
>>318686372
You're the reason normal-fags can't be trusted.
>>318684643
>actual arguments and logic
You've convinced me anon, actually the Disgaea games split bow dmg into str and hit I believe, hope you have a good day
>>318685680
ARMA, STALKER, Insurgency, Project Reality, DCS, Steel Beasts, Falcon 4.0
>>318684160
Yeah okay but if the guy with the gun had the same supernatural speed, reflexes, and strength as that girl, he would've won.
>>318686372
Sure, but that doesn't make for a good videogame.
>>318686372
>You people with your whole "muh honorable swords"
no one in this thread has said that, fuck off
>>318686635
>Project Reality
10/10 post anon.
Swords on the battlefield are as outdated as battleships are in the navy. Would be it cool as fuck to use a sword/battleship? Fuck yeah! But lets be honest, there are weapons that do what a sword/battleship can do more effectively.
>>318686223
Oh man, I was immediately impressed by Black, the weapon animations, the car explosions, it was like heaven for my teenage self.
And it probably wasn't the first game to do it, but it was the first game I played where you can ricochet bullets off the ground and walls.
>>318686681
No videogames and fiction must follow reality on every single level.
>>318680480
I'm with you its stupid but gameplay wise it's not a bad idea taking in that you have the advantage of range with guns. So its a way to balance the game.
>>318686681
Oh. Well, you're absolutely right about that. I was just responding to the people that are talking in real life terms.
For gameplay, yeah, give close range fighters higher damage potential since you have to work harder to close that distance than a ranged fighter.
Shouldn't that be all anyone needs to say?
I've always thought early firearms are pretty cool, how come they're in almost no games?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSxFY917UH8
>>318684160
I think this works better.
>>318686931
it was pretty cool they were able to get a game that good looking on the PS2
>>318686771
No one's said that exact quote, no, but there are a few posts on here that suggest the user has that kind of bias in mind when it comes to what kind of weapons are "good," at least that's the impression I got.
Your level of "fuck off" inducing ass-blastedness tells me you might be one of those people.
>>318684157
Different situations though. Within a certain range, CC applies with the gun equally as far as danger.
Outside of that....You get Indiana Jones and the Sword fight scene.
>>318687089
Sauce me dawg
>>318687089
kek
why can't there be more gunporn anime like Black Lagoon?
>>318687375
Not him but 'Blood C
>>318683424
>You just point and kill someone/something. There's no skill, physical ability, or anything like that really involved.
You've never fired a gun and your logic is literally retarded.
A sword is easier to use than a gun.
If I sat in front of you an unloaded pistol, and told you to load it, and hit a target 15 yards away you'd probably not even be able to get the gun to work.
You'd have to figure out how to eject the magazine, load the magazine, load the loaded magazine back into the firearm, probably try shooting it at that point and be confused as to why it's not firing, and then look for the safety mechanism, find it and flick it to what you think is the off position, try to fire again and still have it not work.
It's not difficult to operate a firearm, but without some basic knowledge of how they work you'll have a difficult time figuring out how to make it even fire.
And then you'll miss like fucking crazy because you don't know how to shoot and will likely miss to the right on every single shot.
If I handed you a sword and told you to go cut a watermelon in half you could do it without any issue.
You would not struggle making a sword work for it's intended purpose at all.
Sword fighting is a different story, but so is gun fighting.
It takes skill to defeat another individual armed with a firearm.
The fact you can kill a skilled swordsman with a gun very easily only demonstrates what a shitty obsolete weapon a sword is. It does not demonstrate that guns do not require skill, only that they're a much better weapon.
>>318685581
>Modifying the gun makes the bullets ricochet off of surfaces
>Modifying the gun makes it tear armor apart
>Modifying the gun makes the ammunition pierce through targets
>Modifying the gun makes any ammunition fired from it EXPLOSIVE
>>318685806
my /k/ autistic brother played Stalker and said a lot of the weapons didn't look authentic.
>>318684160
God damn japs are pathetic. Bending reality a little bit for the purpose of telling a story is one thing but holy fuck anime is on another level.
You'd think they'd get tired of jacking it to muh honorabru katana eventually but every year its the same shit
>>318685229
Sukiyaki Western Django
>>318685941
A gunshot in the diaphragm would affect the movement of breathing not the vacuum. The second hole thing would imply that the lungs do comunicate with the empty space of the body or coelom (which definately doesn't happen). Or maybe I misunderstood.
Also, shouldn't a deep enough slice or puncture made with a sword have a similar effect?
>>318687417
I've only watched Blood: The Last Vampire, I might check out + and C. Thanks.
>>318686807
>Would be it cool as fuck to use a sword/battleship? Fuck yeah!
ergo, we have swords in games
>>318683964
I wish more big bads would get killed like blackwolf, it humanizes them
>>318687787
I recommend for some good action
>>318687506
While modifying the gun itself wouldn't do this, there does exist ammo designed to pierce armor and actually explode.
The ricochet shit is nonsense and all that, but armor piercing and explosive ammo is real.
>>318687554
Rule of cool, dude. Quit being so autistic.
>>318687554
It's gotten to the point where if I even see a character using a katana I automatically tune the character out...which seems like a real shame.
It males you feel old. I used to think that kind of thing was the shit when I was an angsty teen. When Cowboy Bebop first aired on Adult Swim I used to think Sid Vicious or whoever was awesome for using a sword (just like I would you guise!) but now whenever I see something like that I find it so utterly cringeworthy. Then you realize the industry caters almost exclusively to young boys and manchildren, and the depressing realization that you've outgrown all this shit starts to set in, and you're not really "with" what's cool anymore.
>>318684785
>>318685754
>Real life soldiers versus fucking magic
>Soldiers win
Are you niggers retarded? HP has fuckers that see the god damn future. And shit that instakills.
And fucking DRAGONS.
>>318687978
There's a point where rule of cool becomes rule of stupid.
>autistic
If I was autistic I'd be defending loli-chan and her demon blade, not hating on it.
>>318688086
What's cringeworthy is that you're an aging "muh manime" entry level fag.
>Ugh manchildren
>Ugh I've grown up
Please nigga, you're a manchild if you're here at all.
>>318683964
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cZqRzHnI8s
This what a realistic sword vs gun fight would look like.
Swordfags btfo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anEuw8F8cpE
>>318688102
>he hasn't seen wizards
Yeah, the Dark Lord thought he was invincible shit too until he got shot, and I'm talking about 1977 Dark Lord; not some dumb fuck who had to bum on another guys head for a full year.
>talking about shooting wizards
>somehow dragons
Go to bed martin
>>318688086
I'm sorry, but if you're looking towards an animated medium for realism, you might be fucking retarded.
The whole point of anime is all the unrealistic, but fun to imagine shit they can do with it.
It's fun to imagine someone with supernatural speed and strength that fucks shit up with a katana.
Guns are cool too. I own a few and love the sport, but I'm not going to go deaf to a character just because the story insists the character whips ass with a sword.
It doesn't need to be realistic.
>>318688220
>muh sekret klub
>>318687506
>Modifying the gun lets you shoot 2 times in 1 turn
>Modifying the gun lets you make your handgun shoot like a shotgun
>>318687465
what
once you know how to use a gun it takes no skill
retard
>>318688645
>shotshells exist
>>318688475
Wasn't the original scene actually supposed to be a real battle, but Harrison Ford got sick and said "How about I just shoot the guy because I feel like shit?"
>>318688210
No, an autistic person would struggle to understand that other people like different things and think differently,and that they're not automatically wrong for it.
Bear in mind that just because YOU don't think something is cool, doesn't mean it isn't cool. Katanas and swords are stylish, compact, and look good in motion, so naturally it's easier to make interesting looking animation built around sword combat than gun combat.
And this is coming from someone who wishes guns got more love in anime.
>>318688398
Damn that's some gangsta ass shit.
>>318688651
>being this retarded
>>318688651
This guy isn't a gun owner
>>318683680
This reminds me of a story my dad told me.
He once worked at a convenience store in which he got robbed at gun point. After that he bought a gun a kept it on his side, that is until he thought about it. If somebody tried to rob the store with a gun again and he pulled his gun on the robber, he's much more likely to get shot then if he didn't pull a gun on the robber.
He told me since I was a kid: people who carry guns around tend to get shot at more then people who don't, and if you're in a place in which you feel a need for a gun you're in the wrong place.
He owns some guns and so do I, but we don't carry them around. I can't help but to feel people can benefit from realizing this. Don't keep a gun on you.
>idiot not knowing a stab wound is more lethal than a basic gunshot wound.
It's not the same as saying knives are more dangerous than guns. Also this only stands to a point, when you get up to the right kind of ammo at a big enough size, it starts to blow limbs off the body and is definitely more lethal.
>>318688220
Oh I'm still a big kid at heart, I won't deny that. I'm in the process of downloading Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon as we speak.
It's the angsty teen shit that I find so exhausting now. It's difficult to explain. But, obvious bullshit like countless tired anime tropes about edgy skinny girlymen with their superpowers taking themselves so seriously just...wears me down, man.
Like, I enjoy colorful kiddy stuff all day erry day, it makes me happy. But if you want me to enjoy something "serious," then I've reached the point where I need it to NOT be retarded in order to properly enjoy it. Does that make sense?
Life is too many shades of gray, man.
>>318688651
Blatantly false. If that were true at all, there would be such a thing as a dead shot, meaning someone with 110% perfect accuracy. Even the greatest marksmen in the world miss. There's a skill cap to both swordsmanship and shooting.
>>318688645
Taurus makes a line of revolvers that can interchangeably shoot .44 mag and .410 shotshell.
Also, there are mods that could improve the rate of fire of a gun.
It's not all inconceivable.
>>318683626
Someone has played Star Ocean: The Last Hope, i see.
>>318688693
Yeah. Ford had the shits that day and the directors agreed with his suggestion to shoot him since shooting the guy made more sense than using the whip to disarm him.
>>318688931
>110%
>Discarded Post
>>318683424
>Anyone with a gun has a 100% hit / kill ratio
>Skill and Honor are what matters in fighting
I'm saying fuck you. I've been shot at before and the last thing I was thinking about was "How upsetting they haven't chosen an honorable Sabre duel."
And whilst you are getting shot at it's next to impossible to know if you've even hit something until it's all over. Most the time we only find out if we actually hit someone was when we'd sweep their position afterward.
I'm legit pissed off at how fucking retarded you are.
>>318688950
>>318688689I was mostly trying to make a joke about Parasite Eve.
>>318688651
>once you know how to use a gun it takes no skill
I bet you never played any sports either.
>Pffffttttt, basket ball is easy, you just throw the ball in the hoop. That takes no skill at all.
>Pitching a baseball takes no skill, you just throw the ball so the batter can't hit it.
What made you this retarded? Did your mom feed you mercury or something as a child?
Marksmanship is a legitimate skill and is featured in the Olympics.
Using a gun takes skill.
>Bows are pure dex
>Swords are pure str
I'd say in a fight the stats would be completely opposite. Swords need to be wielded precisely to be effective, and bows need to be drawn with a lot of strenght. Weak arms would make the whole bow shake.
>>318689091
Here.
"Blatantly false. If that were true at all, there would be such a thing as a dead shot, meaning someone with 100% perfect accuracy. Even the greatest marksmen in the world miss. There's a skill cap to both swordsmanship and shooting."
Now refute it with actual discussion instead of greentext. Prove me wrong.
>>318680480
Swords are do more damage than guns though. Guns have range that swords don't though. Bullet wounds are small holes through the body, whereas hacking someone with a sword cuts off limbs and gives giant gashes much bigger than a typical bullet hole.
>>318686528
You're the reason why edgelords have no friends
>>318688102
>dragons
ha. any .50 or bigger would fuck them up, they'd be easier to kill than elephants
>>318689415
>he thinks cutting off limbs like his anime happens irl
rofl
>>318689494
>Happily killing people for muh kids and muh wife
>Not edgy
Fucking normal-fags cannot be trusted.
>>318689415
Man, it's super difficult to make a deep cut and especially cut off a limb in one swing. Go kill a deer and see how much damage on swing does to it.
>>318689415
> Bullet wounds are small holes through the body
No.
If you get shot with a .308 it can literally rupture your organs from the force without them even being in the path of the channel wound.
>>318689549
To be fair to the weeb faggot, katanas are one of the few swords that are good at cutting off limbs.
>>318688102
It's fucking word of Rowling that the wizarding world would lose to muggles if war broke out.
>>318680480
of course they do
>>318688735
>No, an autistic person would struggle to understand that other people like different things and think differently,and that they're not automatically wrong for it.
So you mean like what you're doing now?
>Bear in mind that just because YOU don't think something is cool, doesn't mean it isn't cool. Katanas and swords are stylish, compact, and look good in motion, so naturally it's easier to make interesting looking animation built around sword combat than gun combat.
>TL;DR your opinions are subjectively wrong and mine are objectively right
Triggered much?
>>318686635
>stalker
>a world where everyone uses left-handed guns
No thanks
>>318684160
>Can move in bursts of 400m/s
>Reaction time of 0.003 seconds
>Decides to taunt instead of just doing a burst slice or throw objects
Fucking animators.
>>318689262
Took the words right out of my mouth, thanks anon.
Notice how the anons that say "guns take no skill" haven't responded on if they have actually fired a gun before.
>>318688970
>fighting first enemy
>wtf my gun isn't penetrating its carapace
>here, try using this laser sword
>wow that worked great
>never goes back to using guns
>>318680638
>Implying a sword could cut your arm off, bone and all.
We aren't made of bamboo, kid. Weight for weight, bone is stronger than steel.
>>318689865
Not that I don't believe you, but you got a source on that?
>>318689756
Hydrostatic shock is a myth. There is no evidence that it contributes to the lethality of bullets.
>>318689359
I appreciate it. Just to be clear, I like your post but embellishment hurts the validity in the first version.
What's the K/D ratio of someone killing himself? 0 or -1?
>>318680480
try playing Monster Hunter....sword wins every time ;)
>>318690165
You're wrong. A sharp, sturdy blade can - if swung correctly - cut off limbs with relative ease.
>>318690292
I use percentages over 100 constantly at my job so I'm used to putting things in those terms, because obviously the people I talk to most are my coworkers. It's easy for it to just slip into my normal vernacular.
>>318689123
Sounds like you need a fucking scope if you can't tell that you hit something.
>>318685657
>cutting missles in half
I loved Crisis Core.
>>318690285
who cares if they are dead?
If you cut a mans head off he is dead
If You shoot him in the heart he is dead
If you nuke him he is dead
The damage doesn't mater as long as it kills, and us humans are fragile.
>>318690474
Regardless, thanks for the quality post and the improvement of 4can
>>318684770
This is pretty fucking cool
>>318690525
If you had ever experienced anything close to a firefight, you would know how ridiculous that statement is. Even if you remain completely calm and collected, which is impossible, there's so much insanity going on all around you that it can be very difficult to confirm a hit. Real people don't spray blood everywhere when they're shot most of the time.
>>318689306
Completely wrong about bows, unless you mean some 150 pound pull great bow. So many chicks and skinnyfags are in my archery club. My arms aren't thick either and I have no trouble. The 4chan contrarian meme that bows are for buff cunts is wrong.
>>318690474
sounds like you don't know why you're using percentages over 100
>>318690165
sword fuel can´t melt bone steel
>>318690473
Maybe if you aim for the joint.
And the limb owner is holding his limb out for you.
>>318680480
Depending on the type of bullet used that's completely reasonable, and it depends on how you measure damage really.
One shot to the gut you'll puncture the intestines, and the person will suffer a lot and they will die.
But with one sword swing you can completely eviscerate that same person from side to side, pretty much disemboweling him.
>>318690473
And I bet you suggest using a katana for that, right? Maybe with those +5 Slicing Boots and Bonebreaking Trenchcoats.
>>318690969
In what way?
>>318691050
don't fall for the bait
>katana weapon is better than longsword weapon
>>318690845
what kind of bows do you use?
>Longsword is wielded with one hand by the player character.
Steel is heavy, so I find this unrealistic.
>>318690845
Why would you use anything other than a war bow in a fight?
>>318691147
>katanas have a "blood groove"
>they're so edgy that they dance for blood
>yet longswords have more cutting edges
>I think that I was going to lead into a joke somewhere but I've lost track of the point
>greentext
>fuck
>>318684449
That's a terrible comparsion.
.50S&W vs AR15 would be better.
>>318691347
Fucking retard.
>>318691147
triggered
>>318690285
>http://guns.wikia.com/wiki/Hydrostatic_shock
"Hydrostatic shock is a term used to describe the theory that a remote wound caused by the impact of a bullet results in neurological incapacitation."
That's not even close to what I was describing.
What the fuck are YOU talking about?
>>318680480
Ever been cut or stabbed?
>>318691343
I use a compound bow at 90 pounds.
>>318690165
Holy fuck you're retarded.
https://youtu.be/_hfLZozBVpM
>4:14
>almost cuts a cow skull clean in half
>>318691490
Ever been cut, stabbed, and shot?
>>318683424
pshhhh nothing persennel *teleports behinds you*
>>318691483
>the theory
You see? It's a myth.
>spears are straight up worse than swords
>>318691045
Rifle bullets can and regularly do disembowel people. It depends on the angle of the impact.
Gun shots should always do more damage. Not only will the bullet puncture the victim, but the velocity of the round will also cause physical trauma.
Hydrostatic shock is what happens when a bullet strikes someone at such a high velocity that the impact creates a shock wave that will travel through the blood and cause further trauma. Most notably strokes.
The force generated by a gun vs your sword arm are not even comparable.
>>318691547
do the girls use the same bows? do they rapid shoot?
>>318691550
You know that's a 2 handed greatsword, right?
>>318690165
Are bones folded over 1 million times? Did not think so kiddo.
*taps cane*
>implying any decently sized blade strike to center mass isn't a mortal wound
gunshot wounds can be recovered from in a lot of cases, a fucking strike from a sword will make you bleed out if not outright kill you
>>318691747
They mostly use compound bows. Others use shortbows that are cheap and easy, but weak.
Well?
>>318683626
Think about how much force and how much of an object is being penetrated through the target with a bow and arrow.
The real reason people moved on to guns is because they're relatively easy to use and significantly faster to shoot
>>318691908
>sword wounds can be recovered from in a lot of cases, a fucking shot from a .45 will make you bleed out if not outright kill you
>>318691908
Not if you wear body armour.
>>318691987
Is the bat wood or aluminum?
>>318691653
>halberds are lower statwise than average spears
>>318691550
I fucking love these videos they're so retarded and good at the same time.
Really though, Japanese masters with katanas can't do half the cuts these goobers can with better weapons. I love it.
>>318691763
So what, do you think this sword would have much more trouble cutting through a couple of arm bones with a good one handed chop?
>>318692098
ok so then a bullet in that case is basically just a minor inconvenience unless it's high caliber or very close range
>>318692048
Think about how bullets move at the speed of sound and go straight through plate armour. The reason we switched to bullets is not because they're easier, but because they're more lethal.
>>318692061
might as well be a claymore if you're going to bring a fucking huge ass caliber into the argument
Ranged weapons typically are less damaging than melee weapons, even in real life.
A gun or arrow only deals damage to one location with maximum penetration. Bullet goes in, bullet goes out. A single hole.
A sword on the other hand deals massive damage to a larger area. A sword can cleave off whole body parts and limbs. A bullet cannot.
It's proven with science. Honestly, I don't see how anyone can argue this. The only reason why someone would pick a gun over a sword is due to the inherent benefits of using a ranged weapon vs melee.
>>318692208
I heard that bullets can still break your ribs after the body armour stops them.
>>318692156
wood
>>318692181
aren't those thrusting swords?
>>318692171
Some people really can do some crazy shit that is above and beyond normal human capability though. I always thought this was neat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzhs1Z8Rwnk
>>318692430
again, we're talking large caliber or close range, and even then it has to hit at just the right angle
>>318692414
You can be stabbed 10 times and survive, but die once after getting shot
>>318692482
I'll take my chances with the bat.
>>318691663
>Hydrostatic shock
Here this is for you >>318690285
And force is far from being only thing to determine how much damage you'll do.
>>318692554
Remember that chick that got stabbed 40 times because her friends wanted to sacrifice her to slender man?
>>318692667
Weren't they all like ten years old?
>>318692729
Yup, girl lived too.
>>318692331
Nah, its because they're easier and faster. Not needing to teach someone how to aim, shoot and properly manage a bow as well as guns being significantly more mobile AND having small ammunition makes them flat out easier to use in combat. People used bows for years.
Guns are just easier, more mobile and result in being more effective over the course of a fight
>>318692762
But did she live well?
>>318691987
use baseball bat to outrange knife or just grab the guys hand holding the knife and headbut him, easy
>>318692554
You can die after getting stabbed/cut/maimed once but live after several bullets
See i can do it to
>>318692762
I'm glad she lived but maybe people shouldn't let their children have so much unsupervised time, both online and with their friends. I remember getting really upset when I heard about that.
>>318691550
Tublard there has surprisingly decent form.
>>318692771
Muskets aren't so easy to use. They take a minute to reload.
>>318692823
If i remember correctly, there were no lasting concerns with her health or mobility etc.
>>318692489
https://youtu.be/keq-HGNX37E
>>318690342
>ratio
>-1
You don't understand maths
>>318692880
No you can't. Bullets>stabs.
>>318692887
I don't think its asmuch about supervision. More about teaching kids the value of life.
>>318690259
>the curtain not falling off
i call bullshit.
>>318692994
Imaginary numbers, son.
>>318692827
As someone who has been in a few fights, two of which involved having a knife pulled on me, you don't just grab a guy's hand when there is a knife in it. Just run away if you're not using the bat.
>>318692515
Still can't cut European armor though. That's a fact.
>>318693006
People LITERALLY have
if you get stabbed more than once youll probably bleed out before you can get saved.
Meanwhile people are walking to hospitals after getting shot.
Gun
>aw fuck I got shot in the shoulder
Sword
>aw fuck my entire arm is now gone and Im going to bleed out and die
Dont give me shit about vital shots, being stabbed in the heart is just as damaging as a gunshot. Damage is damage but swords easily trump guns in raw damage to non critical body parts.
>>318693207
>a citation needed
>>318693207
Well, most swords can't cut through plate mail. I didn't even mention armor at all, I just wanted to share a cool video of a guy with superpowers.
>>318692827
>>>>>just grab the guys hand
Stop watching anime
Stop playing video games
You are way too disconnected from reality.
>>318693240
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slender_Man_stabbing
Same with knives buddy.
>>318693057
If you do that, you can get retarded 18 year olds liberals that want to suck off terrorists, though.
>>318692994
>-1 point for the suicide, 1 death, K/D ratio would be -1/1 which is -1
Someone here definitely doesn't understand maths.
>>318691048
It depends if it's an authentic katana or a modern imitation. Real katanas were made using techniques no modern smith even knows about. They were virtually unbreakable and could cut through human bone like paper.
You wouldn't be able to do that with most of the simple european swords represented in video games though, I'll grant you that.
>>318693268
https://youtu.be/RFu11mSutd0
>can't even cut chainmail
katanafags on senpuku watch
>>318693362
>plate mail
>plate.... mail
Mail is chain.
>>318693382
true, there is a sweet spot. Lives matter but not the lives that take lives.
>>318693419
>Real katanas were made using techniques no modern smith even knows about. They were virtually unbreakable and could cut through human bone like paper.
Give a source or stop spreading misinformation.
>>318680480
>getting punched twice is as deadly as getting shot 30 times
Looking@u halo
>>318683424
>Imagine just walking into a boss fight against someone/something built up from the beginning of the game, and downing them in one hit
Fable 2 did this
>>318693526
Thanks, next time include this in the original post.
>>318693531
Common terminology. Plate mail is exactly what it sounds like, mail combined with plate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plated_mail
>>318693606
>Getting punched in the face by a 7' tall super soldier is more deadly than tanking 30 pistols rounds with your energy shield.
Havent you ever read dune?
When we finally invent reflector shields, melee will again reign supreme in combat
>>318693409
K/D stands for Kill/Death. Where are points mentioned?
>>318686372
excuse me?
>>318693526
*seppuku
>>318693552
It's extremely well documented. Do some basic research instead of asking to be spoonfead.
inb4 hurr durr weeaboo
Yeah, nice ad hominem.
>>318693419
>Real katanas were made using techniques no modern smith even knows about. They were virtually unbreakable and could cut through human bone like paper.
Authentic Katanas were made from shitty pig iron. The Japanese did have a nifty technique for making better swords, but it was developed out of necessity and was no where near as sharp or durable as you described.
And newsflash; The Celts were folding steel 100s of years before the Japanese. With high quality metal as well.
>>318683424
it takes skill to know how to use the gun, aimthe gun, and shoot the gun where the bullet hits the target and kills them
>>318693854
>Extremely well documented
Then post a link and stop delaying. You can't claim a fact and not back it up because its "so well known."
>>318680480
swords are way more dangerous. guns actually have to hit a vital, or bone to do enough immediate damage to kill someone. it really just depends on if your trained in both a gun or swords use, really. in police and self defense training they say its like anyone within 22 feet of you could possibly stab and kill you before you can react fast enough to draw and accurately hit them with a holstered pistol. if that dudes cranked on drugs, and you waste that 1st shot on like a leg or arm?
>>318693748
>those shields so strong that amplify reflected energy so those initial battleship blasts was like detonating a fuckton of nukes on themselves
Reflector shields ain't no fuckin' joke mane.
>>318693854
The thing is, you made the claim, so burden of proof is on you. No-one called you a weeaboo, so there's no need to be preemptively defensive. All I'm asking is that you back up your claims. As for ad hominem, you're the one taking that route as well.
>>318684449
7.62×54mmR would fuck you up way worse than .50AE
>>318693854
If them losing their magic space steel recipe is so well documented, you think there would be more documentation about the actual recipe.
It is true that alot of smithing techniques have been lost or forgotten about, but the japanses were never able to make anything strong enough to cut through steel plates without breaking first.
That's why they never bothered with super heavy plate armor, because a few iron plates and lacquered wood stops a katana just fine
>>318690973
Underrated post
>>318691652
>You see? It's a myth.
But I wasn't even talking about that, I was talking about nearby organs being ruptured by the force of the round.
I wasn't talking about anything affecting the central nervous system or anything even close to that.
>>318693786
I know you're retarded but come on. Ratios can be negative is the point.
But I will give you that killing yourself should technically count as a kill so the ratio would be neither -1 nor 0, but 1.
>>318694046
Let me guess, next you're going to start going on a rant about "burden of proof" that you learned from r/atheism, right?
>>318694223
Is there a feminine dick down there?
>>318694223
LONDON?
>>318694287
clearly you have no proof.
>>318692489
Can stab != Its a trusting sword
The curve on the blade slices fine
>>318693419
You're so wrong in so many levels that answering isn't even worth the trouble.
I bet you also believe middle age/meiji steel is the same as our modern steel.
>>318694302
its okay to be a faggot, but practice it privately before going public
>>318694287
You are a raging homosexual and suck 50 cocks a day.
Provide proof that I'm wrong.
>>318680638
I'd think getting your arm shot off is more hazardous to your health than getting poked by a stick.
>>318684449
speaking of such, isnt that annoying that the mosin in games is usually weak? its a huge ass rifle round. its just bolt action and not super well made. it still fires a big ass round...
>>318693248
Sword
>aw fuck I got a slice across my shoulder
Gun
>aw fuck my arm got blown off
>>318694441
considering out anonymity this is fairly "private"
>>318694429
>I... I'm not even going to bother with you! Heh, take that!
Yes, I will accept your surrender.
>>318687546
they dont, but there are mods like Arsenal andnever ever going to be releasedGunslinger
>lightsabers reflect bullets
>>318694542
Plenty of games can't do guns. Especially any RPG with them
>exact same bullet does more damage because it comes out of a bigger gun
>having more skill with a gun makes it shoot harder
>>318694521
actually, torn skin vs cleanly cut skin wise, torn skin heals better. its why fighting knives are generally sharp instead of serrated. a blown off arm from gunshot would heal better then a perfectly sliced off arm from a sword
>>318687546
No, the weapons aren't very authentic, but the game still provides a great /k/ scenario.
>>318694736
I can see it working for lasers, the fields or whatever bounce off each other or something.
A bullet would just get vaporized inside of a light saber's plasma field, though.
>>318683424
>muh honor
Have fun with that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YyBtMxZgQs
>>318694736
already confirmed they don't
>>318694287
If your point was well documented, it should be easy as fuck to post a link to defend yourself, you gigantic faggot.
>>318694864
>try to block a bullet
>get a molten hot ball of metal in the face
people should try using guns in starwars
>>318694804
yeah but it pretty much balances itself already. its a slow, low capacity, bolt action rifle. give it high damage. itll STILL be a low tier weapon but atleast it wont be a waste of a slot
>>318694736
Normal bullets would get melted by the lightsaber. I believe the reason why blasters are deflected is pretty much the reason why lightsabers clash against each other during a fight.
>>318692607
but anon, aluminium is better
>>318680480
butthurt autistic gun faget detected
>>318694969
there's shotguns that fire flechette which a lightsaber can't block so they have to use cover/dodge
>>318694969
It wouldnt be melted, it would be vaporized.
Lightsabers are hot enough to cut through foot thick steel bulkheads with absolutely no resistance.
I dont think a single bullet will last all the way through.
>>318694959
>implying I need to defend myself from ignorant comments on 4chan
>>318693805
damn this guy is cool
no seriously, hes cool as hell
>>318688950
Its not .44 magnum, it's .45 long colt/ .410 shotshell. Its also shit because long colt is anemic as fuck and .410 is near useless. I sold the circuit judge I had for that reason.
>>318695073
>Can't block
With their lightsabers.
Bullets are physical objects, unlike lasers.
What's to say a jedi could just stop them all midair like Neo or Magneto?
>>318687546
depends on the mod, or vanilla. its just one of the rare early games that let you put on or take of scopes, grenade launchers, silencers, and use various different types of ammo ( armor piercing, rifled slugs, mods added in incendiary stuff ) and if you ignored the storyline was "k go inna woods: the sim".
i remember the arsenal one or some shit let you put a scope, suppressor on both the desert eagle AND your saiga 12 gauge. the latter was hilarious with rifled slugs, but it was kinda goofy.
>>318695154
>no resistance
>it takes them a good few minutes of solid slow melting
>>318691550
>he thinks he can compare high-grade modern steel to basic 16th century shitsteel
Our steel now is literally 10 times stronger and sharper than that of 500 years ago. Learn to metallurgy.
Also, if you're going that route, compare your ultimate 2-handed greatsword with the best thing you can shoot with 2 hands: heavy machineguns and automatic 21th century assault rifles. Do you have any complaints?
>>318694995
Hurts your hands to hit a person with an aluminum bat. Source: Accidentally hitting someone that I didn't see behind me with an aluminum bat.
Additionally, you could stab someone with the wood bat if it breaks.
>>318694562
I made this for you.
>>318695264
There are limits to how much force power one Jedi has.
Sure, a force master like Yoda could handle a few shotgun blasts, but the average Jedi would be worn down pretty quick.
It's canon that spreading weapons like shotguns, flamethrowers, etc are effective against Jedi.
>>318693248
>Dont give me shit about vital shots, being stabbed in the heart is just as damaging as a gunshot.
Boy it sure is good I'm shooting them from 20+ feet away then I guess
>>318695264
Because in all the stuff star wars has depicting flechette shotguns that's never happened.
Send a letter to Lucas or something, maybe he knows.
>>318695424
That's more for dramatic effect than anything else.
Whenever they hit a wall with a lightsaber, it cuts right through it.
Whenever they NEED to cut something through, its always a dramatic scene that needs the tension.
Kind of like the Jedi have the ability to move incredibly fast, faster than the eye can perceive, but they never use that power when it would actually be helpfull, because LOL drama
>>318695158
Jesus, either you're fucking stupid or this is bait.
>>318694831
Source?
No, really. I was under the assumption torn tissue was both harder to suture and had scarring problems.
Langer's lines notwithstanding, I was pretty sure a surgical cut allows for faster healing. A clean cut, while not surgical, is more linear than torn.
>>318693854
>Katanas folded ten trillion times it's well known
>Prove it
>Shut the fuck up I'm not a weaboo and I'm not spoonfeeding!
>>318695440
>21th
>twenty firth
>twenty oneth
>>318680480
That's because swords ARE stronger you stupid faggot.
>>318695829
Jesus isn't real anon, you can't prove he ever existed.
>>318696051
>colin firth century
>you can't use your gun/bow as a weapon when the ammo runs out
>>318696291
Yes and?
>>318688102
>And shit that instakills
Kinda like guns?
>>318693419
Just shut the fuck up. Really.
A sharp, heavy blade is more capable of this than a fucking Katana.
If you're saying Japanese or Damascus steel is in any way stronger than modern high carbon steel or other alloys, you're wrong. Very sadly wrong.
>>318696347
Then why are you praying to him in your post?
>>318688398
>Shooting a skeleton man makes him bleed blood
Or is it just his arms that are skeletal?
You'd think with the power to animate your skeletal arm bones, you could come back from a couple pistol rounds, but I guess not.
>>318696326
What games allow you to keep out out of ammo weapons to melee with?I can think of some but I can't think of any were they actually have differing powers and effects when used to melee.
>>318695859
in the long term, yeah, but in short term, as in, the 30 seconds your getting stabbed, a rough cut bleeds less heavily then a clean cut. in the long term, you want a clean cut for scars and shit.
>"It is essential that the blade have a sharp stabbing point and good cutting edges, because an artery torn through (as against a clean cut) tends to contract and stop the bleeding. If a main artery is cleanly severed, the wounded man will quickly lose consciousness and die."
basically, healing and suturing only really matters after you win the fight to the death, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairbairn%E2%80%93Sykes_fighting_knife#Design
>>318696267
Actually in most cases bullet wounds are worse because bullets tear through your flesh messing it up while cuts with a sharp object are generally clean so if you just compress it together it heals much better.
>>318696051
>he's the firth faggot to notice
that is a great daffy duck reaction. golden age cartoons are called golden for a reason.
>>318688398
>dwarf vs death himself looking thing
>......biiiig build up to fight
>pulls a fucking gun
what
>Poison deals a very small amount of damage every few seconds and then just stops
>>318688102
>HP dudes need to say a god damn spell for it to work, or hell, flick their wrist at the target.
>Implying they can anticipate a .50 cal
Not only is Rowling on the real world's side, it's just an evident fact of the series. By the time they're done dispatching 2 DEVGRUs, they'd be all dead.
>>318696267
>what is a hollowpoint bullet
>>318696597
I get it now. Yeah, definitely and agree wholeheartedly.
High-caliber guns still win.
>>318696661
I'm no pro, but that looks like a much more recent image.
The lines are too clean to be golden era
>>318696636
Clean cut wounds are more dangerous than rough torn wounds nigga
They bleed more.
>>318680480
>>318685428
Depends on if you mean Data Organization or the ones you beat in the story.
Demyx is pretty easy in the story but in data he's a monster.
Roxas in the story is easy but the data version is easy.
Larxene is a serial rapist both ways.
And such.
>>318696596
Condemned, this is actually a central gameplay mechanic considering 99% of the time you play, you're beating the shit out of homeless people with melee weapons
>>318681057
Meleefags BTFO
>>318696745
>you drank the bottle of vodka
>5 mins -1 int
>>318688398
Golden. Fucking golden.
>>318684770
>Think its gonna be a sword user slapping the cowboy's shit when he slices through the bullet
>Parrys the sword with the revolver and pops out a mini hand cannon out of his sleeve and blasts the ninja faggots brains out
My fucking dick
>>318680480
guns being more powerful than melee makes melee useless.
>>318696536
Well you were taking low quality bait since >>318693419 so I thought I'd feed you a little more.
>>318696718
>hasn't seen Wizards
The main weapon the Dark Lord was using against the elves was projector footage of the Nazi army marching/bombing their enemies being projected on smoke. There's also a lot of imagery and metaphors like a scene where two goblins devour a pig that has one of those jewish star things on it and shit like that.
If you haven't seen Wizards then you won't understand why it's dope that he OHKO that nigga.
>those scenes of the elves being exposed to WWII footage while the goblins slaughter the shit out of their forces after the elves got all cocky and shit
Wizards man... fuckin' Wizards.
>>318697008
Condemned is fucking sweet
>>318687609
it's terrible
>>318696942
out of convenience, yeah, of course. unless your actual intention was to cause massive grevious body harm, of course everyone chooses guns now days. but someone swinging a broadsword into your gut WILL do massive fucking damage, in a different way to a bullet going into your gut. wouldnt want to be hit by either, sure, but if i knew it would be the gut or a leg or arm, id rather take a small round in the same spot. of course, excluding like, massive big game rifle rounds, so on, so fourth...
>>318686681
>videogame where you have to survive a bunch of armed thugs with whatever you find at your disposal
>every single hit can seriously injure or even kill you outright
it may be fun
>>318697008
use a trainer for the taser. unlimited taser, if held constantly long enough...sets them on FIRE. enjoy your flaming screaming hobo simulator
>Guns are the best physical weapon
>Swords are terrible and everything resists them
>>318688102
Wizards in the HP world don't understand how a telephone works
You think they'd survive against fully automatic weapons?
>Outlawing avada kedavra because its an insta-kill from a few yards away when you have a wand, that the enemy can counter back with another avada kedavra
>When sniper rifles exist
Wouldn't a sword do more damage, simply because its more surface area that's cleanly cutting to result in more bleed out?
>>318697503
>use a trainer
Or play the game the right way, and have fun.
>>318690525
>shoot at someone
>they immediately drop
>trees/bushes/rocks obscuring a large portion of their bodies
>dust/debris flying everywhere, loud sounds you can barely hear over
>squaddies yelling all different kinds of things
Tell me how you are supposed to know if you hit them or they dropped for cover? It's not a fucking video game with hit markers and KILL or KILL ASSIST popping up in your face
>>318688693
>>318688971
IIRC the swordsman from the scene got really pissed off because he's a trained sword performer and had planned out a painstakingly choreographed sword vs whip fight scene
And Harrison Ford just goes against the script because he's tired.
But, when it comes down to "Who do we go with, random sword fagget or harrison ford", its harrison ford
>>318695829
>or this is bait
Like clockwork. You're incredibly predictable. Of course as soon as you run out of canned arguments, the only way you could possibly not have won the argument at this point is if the person was baiting.
I'm amazed some other anon hasn't come around yet and claimed to be me trolling you so that you can post that "I was just pretending to be retarded" picture and feel like you won.
>>318694736
>jedi can move objects with their minds and have senses so fast they can deflect lasers
>shoot slow tiny projectiles at them
I don't see how this could go terribly wrong
>>318686372
yeah, okay. think of it this way.
if we could throw 30 swords as fast, and as accurate as we could fire 30 bullets, wed switch to the swords.
>>318697880
>slow tiny projectiles
Like from a slingshot, or what? I need to know what you consider slow, because I sure hope it's not something that breaks the sounds barrier.
>>318697640
The amount of force you'd have to put on the sword to have a decently deep cut on a big surface is enormous, and the person wouldn't even bleed that fast. If you can't cut vital points, you'll have to do multiple blows to incapacitate and accumulate bleeding spots so the person finally dies. Hitting the heart is actually hard thanks to the thoraxic chest.
Gun shots can penetrate way deeper and hit organs with ease, not to mention they break bones and can ricochet on them to cause less linear damage, it all depends on the gun, but any gun in any time period is way deadlier than cutting weapons used at the same time period.
Anyone got the webm of kittytoes deflecting bullets?
>>318698000
If we could shoot 30 big projectiles as fast as we could shoot 30 small projectiles, we'd use bigger projectiles. What an amazing observation. We already have Howitzers and shit man.
>>318698227
>implying a katana can't cut a man in half in less than 1 second
>>318692331
modern military rounds arnt even considered powerful enough to hunt deer with. to hunt deer, your supposed to kill it in one shot to be humane. modern military rounds MAIM people a lot. the reason they still effectively kill is because we tend to shoot people more times then we shoot deer. with multiple bullets.
one bullet vs 1 arrow, the arrow does far more damage then a fair amount of normal bullets, excluding silly super large niche calibers or whatnot. its really just having more bullets that makes it better.
theres people whove survived being shot like, 15 times. fidddddy cent got shot 9 times. imagine if he got hit by 9 arrows
>>318687554
not every anime is that silly shit senpai
>>318693619
And Everyone hated it.
>>318698024
compared to the freakin lasers they deflect without a problem.
"everything is relative" -le sticky tongue out science guy
>>318688970
>playing one of the PSP star oceans
>you start out with a laser gun after crash landing on a primitive planet
>1 shots everything until it runs out of ammo
>>318683424
I have an idea for a genre subverting jRPG now, thank you.
>>318698469
>everything is relative
Well yeah, that's why I asked what you considered slow. Star Wars lasers are kind of their own weird animal, since they're not lasers as we normally define the term. They are a lot slower than bullets. I feel like I could get lucky and deflect at least one or two, provided only one was coming towards me at a time.
>>318693526
>trying to slice chainmail
thats kind of what it was made to defend against
>>318691550
>coldsteel.com
>>318698408
>Imagine if you cut someone 9 times in the toe! Or shoot 9 arrows to its arms! Man, I'm sure you could kill someone with a well-placed arrow to the knee...
>>318697640
Force works the opposite way.
Less surface area = higher penetration
Now here is the thing: When bullets hits flesh, they deform, and partially explode in the heat from stopping, resulting in massive internal damage.
Sure, you might do 1000-2000N a punch. But 500N concentrated into a needle front, will pierce straight trough the body, causing direct internal damage.
>>318690473
MAKES CRUSHING ROCKS SEEM SUCH A BREEZE
>>318680638
>deleterious
>>318690845
>bows dun need stength
Shoot a bodkin through plated armor and then I'll believe you, faggot.
>>318683424
because real life warfare is totally like a boss battle huh
>>318698408
Problem resides whether the gun is low caliber, and/or it hits bone.
Both will fuck shit up. If they get lodged in the body, without touching bone, then you have a higher chance of survival AND retaliating.
Though I don't know Jackson's story. I'm sure he just fucking dropped.
>>318691550
i hope he saved the meat.
>>318698408
Nu-uh! If someone is hit with a bullet they fall over and die, just like in the movies!
>>318680480
It's been proven that an experienced swordsman can cleave a bullet in twain.
>>318699235
It's properly used. Grab a dictionary.
>>318699659
let's see a vid senpai
>>318680791
Well yeah, handgun rounds aren't pointed and move slower which causes a ripping effect rather than slicing through flesh. Rifle rounds are bigger for accuracy and range, a pointy bullet and higher grain count doesn't automatically make it "do more damage".
>>318698845
yeah, see, you keep misrepresenting it one sided.
>what if you cut!
yeah, well, what if you grazed them 100 times with a bullet. oh no. your argument is that swords do not do damage they used to do, because bullets now exist?
>>318696661
That's from a 2011 to a 2014 show you flipping fucking faggot
>>318687380
because guns are not popular with japan
makes things too easy
>>318699432
sure. and id rather carry a gun, but simply being hit by a sword, or an arrow is nothing you just brush off. a good swing of a large sword, or a hit by pretty much any kind of arrow is going to fuck shit up. as much as a bullet, if not more. thats just the nice thing about guns. you get a bunch of bullets and you can fire them pretty fast. and it dosent take a life time to learn.
>>318700101
Why don't they just make crazy weapons like guns that shoot syringes full of acid or something?
>>318697520
good old Soul Hackers
>>318695586
Think more like anywhere from 5 meters to 400 m.
>>318700203
they make bigger dakka machinese then the west though
>>318683630
>22lr and 5.56 rifles should be just as lethal because they're the same caliber
>>318700203
they get phaser guns and electric razorblades
>>318697221
It makes melee a weapon of desperation. It's a last ditch weapon for when you run out of bullets.
>>318700352
What game?
>>318700481
which should really just be the fact that in a gunfight you never get close, not that slugging someone in the face is like 2 hitpoint equiv
>>318697520
>glockporn
thank you internet
>>318694678
not at all.
people mostly don't even know what they are talking about.
>>318691987
>take knife
>wait for swing
>sacrifice arm
>gut him
>Sword shoots beams when swung
>>318697669
did that already. pretty sure its an intentional easter egg because theres no way you could taser a single bum long enough for them to do it normally. literally put in for cheaters/modders/what not. you REALLY gotta tase them
>>318700936
now that is some fine vintage face-sit fetish solfcore porn
>>318700934
I take it you've never been hit full-tilt with a bat before?
>>318700936
>has a chance of explosive area effect damage upon successful hit
>melee weapon
>>318698408
Arrows is powerful in a modern war because of the penetration angle, and the fact they can breach cover.
Breach cover: Which is why grenade launchers exists, to do exactly the same.
Look at it this way: Older armies would wear silk shirts over padding, and full helmets if possible. WW2 armies wear anti shrapnel helmets, with various degrees of armor.
Kevlar and silk shirts would be pretty decent against arrows.
>>318701095
>face-sit
that's his neck
>>318699954
No, that post was in answer to "there are people who survived gunshots!" as if no one ever got cut by a sword and survived.
Cutting weapons are strong and efficient killing weapons. But guns are way stronger and more efficient, both by range and penetrating power.
>>318698981
Where did the other anon even talk about force?
You're arguing with yourself.
>But 500N concentrated into a needle front, will pierce straight trough the body, causing direct internal damage
Try putting a needle through your wrists and then cutting your wrists, and tell me which one causes more bleeding and damage. That's the point they were probably making.
>Shotgun has a maximum effective range of about two meters
>>318697730
fuck that sword performer though, that scene is genius
>>318701319
The needles causes more damage per Newton, a lot more.
You need what 1/30th of the force the blade needs, to pierce the skin?
>>318701160
>implying that's not the tits
exploding melee weapons are always the best
>>318701454
You can slice things with much less force necessary to penetrate them head one. Ever use a knife?
>>318680480
Depends on the gun.
I'd rather be shot in the leg that loosing one in a single swing
>>318681330
>not using composite bow
>>318701319
If you apply the same force, a knife will cut the skin and the surface veins, making you bleed, while the needle will pierce through skin, muscle and bone causing trauma. A bullet would crush the bone and effectively incapacitate the whole hand, if not blowing it away, the same way a sword cut could chop it off. Wrists are fragile and slim, you can harm it with anything.
Now, if you're talking about a target with protection, like the brain protected by the skull, penetrating power is way more important than causing some minor bleeding.
>>318695448
Holy fuck underage detected. If the image wasn't enough, hitting anything with a bat will hurt your hands if you are actually swinging it. The bat vibrates and the shock is partially absorbed by your hands. Not sure if it's less painful with a wooden bat, that's a good question. Source: I hit a fucking ball like you are supposed to and it made my hands sting.just go back to reddit man noone will blame you
>bows do more damage than guns
>>318701604
>You can slice things with much less force necessary to penetrate them head one.
It doesn't work like that. At all. To the point where "the sharpest swords" are super circular to compete with the neddles super small impact point.
The reason you don't see it happening is because you don't stab with needles, you don't do forceful motions.
When you use knifes, its because you use extended forceful motions. And that reflects in what happens when you get a accident.
You don't even use 1 N of force to sew. You quickly start using 100-2000 N depending on if you are sawing, cutting or hacking.
>>318701793
>while the needle will pierce through skin, muscle and bone causing trauma
lol nigga what, they literally use needles to inject stuff into bones, muscle and skin with MINIMAL trauma. thats why they use syringes instead of hacking you up with a knife to drop a few drops of morphine in.
"everytime you get a vaccination, your injection site is exploded like a boolit"
you for real nigga
>>318701793
A tiny needle through muscle and bone will not cause nearly as much damage as a large cut across several arteries.
>>318701931
But anon, I'm 26 and shitty mspaint images/comics are (or rather, were) a staple of /v/ and 4chan as a whole. It is less painful with a wooden bat. Source: I played baseball all the way through school.
>melee weapon attacks and magic spells do the same damage
>but melee weapon attacks require you to be in in melee range, while magic spells let you stand 50ft away nuking enemies without ever having to worry about being hit
>>318694165
you can chamber one in a taurus judge
>>318691652
>You see, Theory of Relativity is a myth!
Morons everywhere.
>>318689091
>implying you cant hit 2 targets with one bullet
>>318702104
You're the one trying to compare a weapon with a sewing utensil. If you want to cause damage, you use a piercing tool that expands in diameter with lenght, so it starts as a dot and ends as a hole. Try with a needle that expands to the diameter of a chopstick, and we'll see if you can still move your hand.
>>318689091
why not i used to have that on golden eyebuckshot
>>318702503
wait i was? i thought i was saying it wasnt a weapon
also, tell me youd rather a knife over your massive gauge needle
>>318702104
A 12G neddle with a syringe as grip can be very damaging if used as a stabbing weapon. Consider surface area and force applied. It's not the same to introduce a needle at a 30-45 degree angle than a vertical angle - that shit will leave you with a very nasty wound. Do consider the girth of the needle, though.
But yeah, dude's retarded. A knife with a proper grip or ice-pick grip will cut anything that's not bone.
Vicious stab wounds can be a lot harder to treat than bullet wounds.
But really it comes down to what sort of gun/bullet, and what type of sword/swordsman.
You are more likely to survive a .22 hitting your chest, than impalement but a 7.62 will put you down faster than a sword wound.
>>318702724
Having a specialized cutting weapon over a sewing utensil? Of course I would. Over a specialized stabbing weapon? Not so much.
If you're fighting hand-to-hand, that matters little. Its properties only shine when sizes get bigger, and that's why spears are infinitely superior to swords.
http://flockdraw.com/letsdraw
can u draw, anon?
>>318701372
Underrated post.
She was hilarious AND I'd fuck the shit out of her. Great reference m8
>>318703000
checked
>>318702985
Gun with sword has larger bullets.
Sword with gun is a bigger blade.
Gee anon
>>318702985
Gun with a sword, that gun is big enough to blast the enemy sword in half, but the sword's gun is too small to hurt the gun's sword. The size of the swords doesn't matter in this equation. But it's worth noting that proportionally, the gun has a larger sword than the sword has a gun.
Feel me?
>>318684643
You've never touched a bow in your life. Historical longbows fielded for military purposes are nothing like the kind of target shooting bows we see in video games. No reasonably fit adult human will have any difficulty pulling a hunting bow. It's a non-issue.
As an amusin but irrelevant aside, anyone here hear of the Boxer Rebellion before?
It was a Chinese rebellion against colonial powers, lead by martial artists.
The funny thing is, they thought that their chi gave them magic powers that made them immune to bullets.
Imagine the look on their faces as their colonial masters shot them and their kungfu magic to pieces.
>>318696596
Fallout 4
Using Combat Shotgun
Ammo = 0
Hit "Alt" key repeatedly.
>>318703585
>The funny thing is, they thought that their chi gave them magic powers that made them immune to bullets.
More like they wasn't as organized as the Euro forces, and the Euro forces had a better gun supply lineup and guns.
They thought it would be a simple peasant rebellion:
1. Rebel
2. Whoever is in charge flees
3. Hijinks ensues
Instead Euros decide to fight back with all they got, and field a army.
>>318696596
CoD 3 gave each weapon different melee damage, the bazooka and panzerschreck were both insta kill if you landed a melee hit with one
>>318696267
>Cavitation doesn't exist.
>>318704395
citation needed
>>318703558
M8 the fucking skeletons of English longbow men were deformed from using those longbows
>>318704810
You know you're agreeing with me, right? English longbows aren't even drawn like a normal bow.
>>318704496
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwAbIdamK2A
There are plenty of videos showing this around.
If it doesn't go through the target completely, all the remaining energy in the bullet has nowhere to go but outward.
It's basic physics here, m8.
>>318698469
Blaster shots are slower than bullets.
>>318706179
blaster shot bullet first
>>318693805
I can't even make fun of him. That's actually pretty cool. Fuck
>>318706179
Not to mention clumsy and random.
I didn't read the thread. Have any autists ranted about how European swords are better than katanas yet?
>guns
>>318707072
Weebs have claimed katanas are better. Have fun reading that.
>two guns that use same round
>different damage
The show Deadliest Warrior proved which is better. Pirate vs Knight
wanna know who won? the Pirate. Why? cause he had a gun.
>>318693526
I lost brain cells because ypu made me watche 24 second of this shitty show
fuck you faggot
>>318707632
In some cases that's true. .357 magnum out of a lever action rifle would hit harder than the same round out of a revolver.
>>318707735
Isn't that the same show where they claimed a Spartan Warrior would just pulverize shards of glass with his eyelids and come out basically unharmed?
>>318690165
but i am the bone of my sword
>>318696267
>guns just poke holes in you
>all swords are super fucking sharp and are meant to cut
>>318703320
Look at those weak arms how would the gun even be able to pull his own trigger?
This has to be one of the most autistic threads on /v/ and that's saying something.
>>318709979
There's a lot of actual discussion and minimal sperging out.
>>318699028
Damn it, Anon.
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