What's the shittiest plot twist you ever witnessed in video games?
It was a dream
Liquid possessing Ocelot via his arm but then it turning out to just be Ocelot pretending is literally the worst thing ever written
>>318488574
The possession in MGS2 did happen. It's explained by making Ocelot's father The Sorrow. After psychotherapy, Ocelot has the arm removed and replaced by a prosthetic arm as seen in MGS4.
>>318488574
In all fairness he genuinely believed he was Liquid.
>>318488710
Mine too. Maybe someday I'll find someone to love. Maybe.
At th3 end of true crime:streets of LA, which is a game about being a detective solving crimes on the streets of LA, you infiltrate a bdsm club that is used by local organized crime figures (this is the very last mission in the game). While in the club, you fall in a basement that is filled with vampires or zombies or something. You go deeper into this basement and accidentally wind up in hell, and the last boss is one of stans lieutenants, baphomet or something.
To recap: 99% of game is you chasing mobsters and arresting kidnappers with no supernatural elements at all. Last 1% of game is fighting undead monsters and a demon lord. I still don't know what the fuck possessed someone to make that plot decision. I will never not be mad about this.
>>318488930
What the fucking hell
>>318488574
>I was only merely pretending to be retarded
>>318488930
>>318489320
i uhhh, dont remember it ending that way at all
are you sure you was playing streets of la?
I think it was "Inversion" (bland 3rd person shooter) who's plot was basically
I MUST FIND MUH DAUGHTER
>be best buddy helping to find daughter
WE KILLED SO MANY AND DID STUPID SHIT, BUT WHERE'S MUH DAUGHTER
>be best buddy and never tell him that the first corpse in the game was his daughter's
Two lesbians double digivolving to ultimate to save the entire world was pretty fucking stupid in FFXIII.
>>318490674
I think the term "right out of my asshole" explains a majority of this game's plot.
>>318490003
Oh dear
>>318488574
Fucking this. It was just retarded. Even worse, it laid the foundation that you wouldn't care if Venom Snake turned out to be a time-traveling Old Snake or some shit like that because the series was already retarded at that point.
>>318490804
>yfw Vanilla's weapon was actually a high tech fishing rod
>>318488480
Arkham Knight's Jason Todd- it would have been passable as a plot device but they tried to play that off as the central twist, with all the buildup for something most of the audience already knew. They had to know their audience- but maybe I'm giving the audience too much of the benefit of the doubt.
>>318488551
I have never seen this work well, only as variations and in respect to other endings does this type of ending work somewhat. So like in Bastion, because the reversal is a choice compared to just going on- it's there for contrast. Bloodborne also has this as one of it's endings, right? I don't know how that works.
>>318490674
>>318490804
They really had an opportunity to make something of Vanille, her whole subplot had some really good points with the whole guilt angle and trying to play off as this perky type. Wish they could hire a better writer. Hell why on earth don't they- not asking for some uppity class shit just give us some characters that aren't one note babbling idiots.
>>318491160
>Bloodborne also has this as one of it's endings
All of the endings was "just a dream," but it wasn't a secret. The endings decided what the Hunter would do with the dream.
everything about Asriel in Undertale
>>318491342
"Dreams" in Bloodborne are like alternate realities or something, I don't entirely understand it myself but that's what I heard.
>>318488930
>At th3 end of true crime:streets of LA
>To recap: 99% of game is you chasing mobsters and arresting kidnappers with no supernatural elements at all. Last 1% of game is fighting undead monsters and a demon lo
It was not the end, it was like 70% of the game. The game was hardly very serious in tone either, so ancient chinise crimelord (nothing satan related) fit the overall vibe of old chinise kung fu movie. There were also KGB agents and North Korean generals in this game, it was really over the top.
>>318491481
"unimaginative" twist aren't what I'd call shitty. There's a difference between lazy and being shit.
Star Ocean 3
>>318491160
That's what's most frustrating about XIII and hell most of the later FFs. There's some good stuff there but it's buried under so much unexplained nonsense, one dimensional characters and deus ex bullshit.
>>318491639
>think you're near the end
>here's another 50 hours to play through
Didn't mind so much. It's a game, why does it matter so much that the game was also in a game?
Star Ocean 3.
You should all know it by now.
>>318488574
This retroactively ruined the final Snake vs Liquid fight
>>318491543
Yep, they are called dreams because when you leave a reality to another you "wake up" at the other side, not that they are truly dreams its more like a spirit projection thing
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Do I even need to say it?
>>318491481
Chara was much more of a out of left field thing, asriels stuff was all at least forshadowed
>>318491636
I don't know, I just hated the text dump on the walk up to Asgore
you know what it reminded me of? Leder in Mother 3 - that shit pissed me off, because the story was so great, then all of a sudden le epic amnesia twist is delivered with 0 tact or subtlety in a fucking DO YOU UNDERSTAND? y/n dump
I think for videogames, a story point can be shitty not just in what it is but how it's delivered
>>318491976
Least his wife will always give him a hand job when ever he wants.
>>318490804
I seriously spent the entirety of FF13 waiting for something to be explained and it never happened.
By the time I reached the ending sequence I seriously did not care anymore and just pushed through to the end.
I figured we'd get some real story development on Pulse but it just did not fucking happen.
>>318491481
Usually there's a honeymoon period with great /initially well-received games until people start picking them apart (while people sometimes do so to be picky, a lot of times it is valid criticism). I'm waiting for Undertale's to end. I think it's great but flawed and II really think some of the story caves in on itself in certain places, not to mention the meta story takes precedent at the end of the day.
>the guy you were helping was actually the bad guy.
I'm still mad, they threw away all the mystery and intrigue of the lore for a dumb joke.
>>318492113
And the worst part was IT GOT SEQUELS. Who are the people that fucking liked FF13 and wanted more of it?
WHO? WHO I ASK?!
Everything about every bioshock.
"We all grew up in the same orphanage but conveniently forgot because muh GF."
I actually like FFVIII, but that's always the first thing that comes to mind for me when people talk about dumb plot twists. I just remember playing it for the first time and thinking "u fuckin wot" when that scene happened.
>the villain is your best friend all along
>>318488551
>SMB2
Didn't mean to spoil the big twist but yeah
>>318490003
I thought the twist was
WE'RE ACTUALLY IN SPACE
Are the fireworks not to your liking Mr. Fly?
>>318492334
this one was pretty fucking bad
>>318492017
Okami had a plot dump too, but it was so ass-retardedly crazy I didn't give any fucks about how long it was.
>Orochi is a Space Monster
>>318492334
I still don't understand why Ottsels would build shit out of weird bronze colored metal.
>>318492348
Bioshock 1: legitimately great twist
Bioshock 2: there was a twist?
Bioshock infinite: I barely cared by the point it came up and it was so heavily foreshadowed you had to be a moron not to see it coming
>>318488480
>As the first trailers were released, people already were theorizing how utterly retarded it would be if the twist turned out to be that you weren't really Snake
>Everyone laughs and the hype train moves on
>Years later
>It actually was just as retarded as some people jokingly guessed
I will never not hate this twist. Doesn't help that the rest of the story is bland and inconsequential.
>>318492348
I don't get why bioshocks story gets so much praise when the big reveal is fairly similar to system shocks 2 although happens far later in the game.
>>318492817
the praise came from people who had not played ss2
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>>318488480
>>318492017
Leder pissed me off too. I loved Mother 3, but everything about the story up to that point was handled so well and then all of a sudden you just get this clumsy, tactless wall of text to explain the most critical plot twist in the entire game.
They could've had the player gradually uncover it and build up to a cool reveal, maybe find some remnant of the White Ship or something, but instead you just get that random NPC from the beginning going "ey, yo, here's the entire backstory, now go fight Porky."
>>318492386
It made sense for me, since they explained that the GF live "inside" your brain, like you give one piece of yourself up for power, to this day i still love FFVIII
>>318492817
yeah the twists are fairly similar, but in BioShock it's delivered greatly imho. Not a 10/10 twist but that deliver was excellent. I still preferred the SS2 one
>>318492432
>they make you blatantly aware your friend is up to no good like 15% into the game
>doesnt come to fruition until the ass end of it
Fuck Xenoblade for this. Great game but goddamn a lot of writing decisions pissed me off and this one easily tops the list.
Not a plot twist but gordon entering the combine pod thing twice in hl2.
I don't even get how people were surprised that you were Revan. The whole game they throw it in your face that you're experiencing visions of things that Revan did.
>>318488574
How can so many people not know that the possession in MGS2 is canon? Lots of deafblind people with alzheimers here, apparently.
>>318491752
Isn't it something about the game just being, well, a game?
>>318493442
Why is it never explained that it was real then fake?
Why doesn't Snake notice the lack of voice change?
That just makes the twist even dumber
>>318492776
>Bioshock 2: there was a twist?
That one dude not betraying you was at least unexpected.
>>318493329
But Bastila got them too, and it wouldn't be entirely unreasonable to assume you were getting them through her due to your bond. I think the twist was very well executed, I even had mygfplay this game for the first time a few months ago and she was surprised by it, so it's not just because I was a kid or anything.
>>318492962
The twist was also basically the same as SS1. They pulled that shit off 4 times, absolute madmen
>>318493107
It bothers me because it feels extremely contrived with how they handle that element. GFs essentially eating parts of your thoughts/memories is a really cool concept which the game introduces and then proceeds to ignore up until that reveal, so it feels like it comes out of nowhere. Then you have the double take of "wait, they ALL conveniently forgot the exact same period of their lives completely except Irvine because reasons, and then they all conveniently got back together," plus the fact that the GFs eating memories is never particularly important to the story outside of that specific point, and the whole damn thing just feels like a giant contrivance.
Basically the interesting concept of the GFs just feels like it was put in as an excuse for that plot twist, so that they could point to it and say "no look, there was a reason for it" when people called them out on being retarded.
I do like FFVIII though. It's probably in my top five FF games, just barely beating out IX.
>>318493791
yeah, but that's more a pleasant surprise than a twist.
Still though, Sinclair's a good guy, even if he didn't seem so straight away.
>>318493803
But why would you have the bond if you weren't Revan?
>>318493329
I figured (up until you only saw visions of Revan with Bastila in them) it was just Bastila's ruminations of her clashes of Revan.
Afterwards I thought it was just the force just leading the way. Though the twist nonetheless was kinda lame, didn't have too much of an impact.
>>318491543
All dreams are real tangible places.
An ending that it's just a "dream" in Bloodborne would always carry a big 'but' behind it.
>>318494005
>tfw you'll never go hunting with Gehrman and Maria
>>318493938
The kind of good guy that experimented on political prisonners
A true american
>>318493195
Dickson is a character that's just way too good to be true
>MGSV for years built up to be the seond coming of Kojesus
>game releases
>it's actually hot garbage
Easily the worst twist in vidya of all time.
>>318488574
>not vocal cords parasites and Venom Snake
>>318493195
they even call the guy DICKson and give him an asshole tache'
I think the dude trips so much flags you actually expect him to not be bad.
>>318494046
>going hunting with a man who makes sex-dolls
>going hunting with his psycho crush that oversaw the cthulthu-ization of an entire asylum full of people.
>>318494232
Doesn't that sound like fun to you?
dragon age 2's plot and entire game was based on a potentially fictional story told in the 3rd person by a dwarf.
>shittiest plot twist
that 'it was all a dream' shit in uncharted 3, where it turns out nothing happens and some fag you only see twice through the entire game is the final boss
>>318494248
>not choosing to go out drinking with Gratia
>>318494413
Strong but simple-minded girls aren't exactly my type.
>>318488574
>old gay russian cowboy pretends to be retarded for 7 years in order to bring down big brother
The fuck are you on about this is the best thing in the series.
>>318493195
>That whole thing with Golden Shulk God looking exactly like his vessel that's never explained
Was the guy just choose the first retard that looked like him or what?
>>318493772
It literally is.
>Ocelot has Liquid's arm in MGS2, and he's capable of unwillingly channeling Liquid's spirit because The Sorrow, the most powerful spirit medium in the MGS universe, was his father
>between MGS2 and 4, he has the arm amputated and replaced by a cyber arm because of how actual possession would make any plan impossible
It's explained in the database and also a conclusion you should be able to reach on your own, considering he reveals that he has a cybernetic arm in the final battle in MGS4.
>>318494248
It does sound fun to me
>>318494370
this one was also pretty bad
>entire game stacks itself up as a deconstruction of the Indiana Jones archetype, seeming to imply that if Nathan Drake was a real person, he'd be dead
>by the end of the game, everything bad that happened was just a hallucination and Drake gets a completely anticlimactic happy ending
what an underwhelming game
>>318494451
What kind of fucking idiot can't fire a pistol?
>>318494550
I think the emphasis is more on aiming that thing.
Should've just got a shotgun or a cannon though instead of hooking beasts in the gabber.
>>318492807
Yeah.
It made the entire game pointless too.
There is no reason for the game to take place at that point in the MGS timeline, nothing of value was revealed or fleshed out.
And now we'll have to wait several years for the non-Kojima bullshit to maybe get a good Big Boss game.
>aliens did it
Fuck bloodborne.
>>318494650
There's literally nothing wrong with using aliens for your plot.
>>318493195
There is no japanese word for subtly
>>318493905
They forgot the same thing because the GF eat up the same points of their memories, i think we can say for sure that they start eating up from the oldest memories to the new ones, about Irvine i think i recall they said that he never had used a GF before so he had his memories intact
>>318494650
I wish more games did this, I fucking love aliens. Just not ones without the appropriate paperwork to enter my God-blessed Free Country!
>>318488480
So was V your first game then?
>>318494115
>>318494195
If they just dropped his exposure in the Marsh, or at least made it less blatant ('man I feel sorry for what these kids are in for' rather than 'I'm totally fucking with them' for example) then everything would have been dandy. There's still the odd mention of him by Lorithia and Alvis and his intrigue about Meyneth to work with before he does his thing. Just dropping the bomb like that, especially that early, was horrible execution.
Wasn't the GF/memory thing mentioned in the beginning of VIII? I'm pretty sure it came up before the SeeD exam. Either Quistis mentions it or it's in one of the quizzes you can take or something.
>>318494650
They're more lovecraftian things than straight up aliens, right? Or maybe that's not really a significant enough of a distinction.ayy lmao
Honestly thought Bioshock 1's twist wasn't offensively horrible, even if it did ape ss2's. Infinite's twist was just disgusting though.
>lol its "quantum mechanics", we ain't gotta explain shit
>>318494686
Tell that to Indiana Jones fans.
>>318495015
Well Kos is just a sea monster, for example.
>>318495090
It depends on execution, obviously.
>>318495052
everything about Infinite was disgusting.
giving your protag a voice in this shit is literally the beginning of the end, if only people realized this when Infinite came out, Fallout 4 wouldn't have been such a massive stinker.
>>318494470
Dickson states that it could've been anyone, given that they can swing a sword. In the ending cutscene of the game where Alvis shows the space station to Shulk, the project lead who presses the button looks very much likeZanza
That said doesZanzashare the same VA as well?
>>318494497
>It's explained in the database
Where?
Liquid Ocelot
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02
03
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Liquid Ocelot's personality was actually nothing more than the man-made product of Revolver Ocelot's own drug use and autosuggestion.
Revolver Ocelot played the part of Liquid Ocelot in order to awaken Big Boss, who had been kept in a comatose state by the Patriots' AI collective, to find the whereabouts of Zero. He posed as a Liquid Snake doppelgänger in order to hide those intentions from the core AI, JD.
Once he had destroyed JD from the inside, his mission as Liquid Ocelot was over. When his life was subsequently claimed by FOXDIE, he died as Revolver Ocelot himself.
>>318492386
>>318493107
Their memories are irrelevant, and it's not a coincidence. Why can't people comprehend FF8?
FF8 is a single time loop with a pre-determined outcome. Basically:
>Ultimecia, hunted all her life by Seed without knowing why, uses the Ellone Junction Machine to delve as far as possible into the past as it can take her, which is in Squall's time
>she possesses Edea, who has Sorceress powers, in order to infiltrate the Galbadian government and seek out Ellone, who can help her go even further back in time
>her goal is to go far enough back in time to compress it in order to save her foretold death at the hands of SeeD
>at the end of disc 1, where people think Squall dies, Ultimecia spares the squad's life after the assassination attempt in order to extract information about their goals and why they hunt Sorceresses (she's unaware that the reason Edea is hunted is because of the actions Ultimecia has committed in her body while sending her consciousness through time)
>bla bla bla, Ultimecia succeeds in compressing time
>Squall and co. confront her in her timeline, and they fatally injure her, just like prophesied
>time begins to decompress, and she is able to travel back into the past to find a host for her powers in order to find peace in death
>she appears before the orphanage where Edea is matron
>Squall follows Ultimecia and witnesses as she passes her powers to Edea, completing the cycle
>Ultimecia dies, and Squall who now realizes what has happened, tells Edea to form SeeD
>Squall heads back through time and walks for however long, which is where the actual opening to the game occurs (Rinoa waiting for him in their time in that field
>Edea, realizing that the adult Squall is the same as the child in her orphanage, trains all of them in the future
Essentially, it's a paradox where Ultimecia has to die, and her actions to prevent it is what caused the chain of events to begin with.
TL;DR: You're fucking retarded. I got all this when I was 12.
>>318495052
>even if it did ape ss2's
She's on the fucking box, it's not a twist.
>>318495190
I wouldn't necessarily say that.
The characters weren't the main problem, the problem was that the writers went full Shamalamadingdong with the latter half of the plot and hoped to God that no one would look too closely at it.It fucking worked, apparently
>>318492334
The plot twist started at the beginning of the second game and it went all downhill from there.
>>318488480
I AM BIG BOSS AND SO ARE YOU
At least the Liquid possession bullshit in MGS4 was there just to appease the nostalgia which it did perfectly
>>318488480
MGSV
Man, MGSV is so misunderstood. It's funny how closely the game's reception mimics 2's. Give it a few years and people will be exaggerating how "brilliant" it was and how whatever the newest MGS at that time is terrible.
>>318496529
>new MGS
Anon that seems rather unlikely
>>318496654
We'll get another one. I doubt Kojima or any of the core KojiPro people will be involved though. It'll likely be an empty husk of a game relying on the series' name to sell. Like the new Battlefront.
>>318496784
maybe now we'll get good writing.
>>318496865
That's less likely than the series gaining intelligent fans.
>>318496529
I'm a huge MGS2fag, to the point I unironically used "2deep4u" as a defense long ago.
But even I can see how dumb this was.
It's not even close to what MGS2 was, it felt like cheap copy, like everyone was expecting a MGS2 tier mindfuck, so Kojima had to deliver something on that level just because.
You can say Kojima knew this was the end for the series, so he rehashed 2 because "Letting the player move on" was the message he wanted to end the series on the first time, but it really should have been handled better.
It doesn't help that most people knew 75% of the twists from the trailers alone, and almost everyone agreed the Big Boss we were going to play as wasn't actually Big Boss.
The only thing most got wrong was who he was, Gray Fox, Solidus, and Decoy Octopus were all at the top of the list, but there were people in called Medic after realizing his voice actor, and especially after his face was revealed in GZ
I'm not gonna blame Konami like most people do, but I'm really curious what would have happened had they not "sent Kojima on vacation"
>>318488574
>tfw you realize that Ocelot really was Liquid in the official story lore
>It didn't cross people's minds because it so stupid
>People just took it as Ocelot pretending to be Liquid, not Ocelot being Liquid like its suppose to.
>>318492334
Jak 2 was retardedly grimdark, the third game wasn't as bad but got stupidly melodramatic at parts. The series taking the piss out of itself if only towards the end was welcoming.
>>318496529
You don't get why people thought MGS2 was good you retard.
>>318494175
>MGSV for years built up exclusively by /v/ to be the second coming of Kojesus
Fixed.
>>318492334
I admit I laughed a bit, but yes, it was a stupid twist.
>>318493803
> it wouldn't be entirely unreasonable to assume you were getting them through her due to your bond
except there is no explanation to your bond with her, except the indication that "something ominous" happened between her and revan in their final moment of their battle.
Assuming that you are some random bloke sharing her vision of the BBEG without you having any significance in an exclusive 2 part relation is kind of obtuse. There is only revan and bastila and that one guy who lost his memory to unexplained cicumstances who is also exorbitantly powerful with the force - WAT A TWEEEST!
Can't really remember if it was a plot twist cause it was so unmemorable.
Arcanus is Alex. it was so fucking obvious to anyone that had played the previous games.
also the fact that he's amiti's father doesn't help.
Nier
or really any game that goes "YOU WERE THE MONSTER ALL ALONG EVEN THOUGH YOU WERE JUST PLAYING THE GAME AND GOING ALONG WITH THE PLOT!"
>>318494686
there is nothing wrong with any theme for a plot - the shoddy execution is the problem.
>>318495015
>more lovecraftian things than straight up aliens
Well, lovecraftian things are a subcategory of aliens. They are not ordinary aliens, but aliens nonetheless.
Booker is Comstock and Elizabeth is his daughter.
>>318497863
You make it sound as though the game shoves it in your face.
>>318497440
>Jak 2 was retardedly grimdark
Exactly. What attracted me to jak and daxter was the childishly colorful and melodic trailer on one of the PS2 demo disks, which left me with a smile on my face.
Jak 2 tried to force melodrama and "TWIST" to it, by showing the end-boss in the fucking intro; I realized it was the old mysterious man by the second cutscene he featured in. Naughty dog has a weird addiction to pathos, and not really the competence to make it better than dan brown.
>>318498265
>Comstock isn't voiced by Troy Baker
ONE JOB
>search the killer throughout the whole game
>it was you all along :^)
>>318488930
To be fair, the game actually had multiple routes, which led to different endings.
On one ending you fight the major crime lord on an airport's runway while this plays:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMCbJB4yNXo
>>318494370
>>318494497
What?
Uncharted 3 had pretty bad story issues, but there was nothing that "was all a dream".
The only thing anything close to that was the level where you were tripping balls and hallucinated Sully dying and Flame Monsters. That was quite literally 1/22th of the game, and not exactly a "epic twist".
> person you saw twice is the final boss
Again, you sure your thinking of the right game? Talbot was tailing you the whole game, he was in first cutscene, he appeared in France, Syria and Yemen and he was obviously setup as a rival for Drake.
This doesn't excuse everything wrong with Uncharted 3, but there was no real "twist", the plot just fell apart and the last act was super rushed.
This is how to retroactively make TWO games depressing to replay, with just one ending.
Jak 3
you know what
>>318498657
oh wait it's already been posted nevermind
>it was all a simulation
>>318493905
Irvine never forgot because the only gardens that used GFs were Balamb, and to a much lesser extend, Trabia's. However, the reason they gave for Irvine not spilling the beans sooner was pretty stupid.
>>318495778
God I hate time loop plots. So nothing really gets accomplished in VIII right? Since at the end you just trigger the paradox again since Ultimecia would just get sent back again to give her powers to Edea and start the whole shit again.
>>318491160
The thing that pisses me off the most about the Jason Todd thing is someone outright asked 'Is it Jason Todd?' On reveal and they just said 'No.'
They didn't bother to change it up at all when they realised it was so obvious someone picked it from literary nothing. Then again, they couldn't even bother to port it properly either.
The intro of RE4.
>a nigh untouchable foreign super corp collapsed because the president of another country said "no u"
>>318488480
>It was just a prank bro.
>>318498741
DID NOTHING WRONG.
>your dad is actually a 4000 year old war hero who is also best friends with the final boss
The way it was all revealed was fucking stupid.
>The mysterious stranger was actually your best friends daughter from the future all along
>The antagonist was really you from a different timeline
>All of the past villains you fought weren't really evil, just misguided.
>Your empress didn't die from a hundreds-foot fall, just became an invalid from it
>You don't die from killing yourself because you made war buddies
>No really, the loli is actually thousands of years old, it's totally ok.
Low-hanging fruit, but people defend this.
>You're dad is a furry because of a computer and needs your body
I am making it sound more interesting than it is but thats what happened. Fucking Chrono Cross.
>>318488930
That was more of the plot than you're claiming it to be. It's also more kung fu shit than satan and hell shit. Lastly, the game was originally supposed to be a Big Trouble in Little China game but in the end was more of an homage to it than a direct tie-in.
>>318491481
>people are actually taking this post seriously
>>318499063
>Miguel could have told you everything from the beginning because he was there with your dad on that trip but just decided to chill and eventually HOLYDRAGSWRD you
>>318499063
The hell is Walker doing in the original pic?
Kerrigan was actually misunderstood and the good girl dindu nuffins
Ruined SC2 alongside everything related to ancient evil, prophecies, zeratul and xelnaga
>>318488480
ME2/ME3 had the biggest clusterfuck plots I've ever witnessed jn vidya. how they back peddled and tried to justify plot holes with even more dlc made after the fact was just god damn pathetic to the highest degree
>>318498810
>>318495778
The events only happen once, so it's not exactly a loop. The starting point is when Ultimecia possesses Edea in present-day FF8, and the ending point is when Squall and Ultimecia appear in the past. It's just a predetermined fact of the universe that we get to witness in action, because that is the story of the game. When Squall returns to the void, time progresses normally and everything is well.
It's actually a pretty mind bending and complex story. Even the "dumber" aspects such as the Lunar Cry has a logical reason. People just like to shit on things they don't understand.
>>318498874
I dunno, I enjoy things like that where it turns out the prankster is in over his head too.
>>318497863
It's saying the character was the monster, not you. Don't take everything as a personal attack, sunshine.
>ctrl+f attorney
>ctrl+f layton
>0 results
It's like /v/ doesn't even own a DS.
>>318488480
>MGSV Twist
>Shitty
Did you not listen to the tapes/play Ground Zeroes? Or the original Metal Gear games?
>>318499862
Except he really wouldn't have been if Kaine had just opened her trap and told him about the Shades.
>>318499874
You just reminded me that the Apollo Justice game exists
Fuck you. The last 2 cases were unbelievably bad and easily the worst of the series. And they had to ruin Phoenix with the hobo thing
>>318493979
It's jedi magi-I mean midichlorians. Really if you and Bastilla had them, I thought anyone strong with the force could get them, considering you visited all those places "tainted" by Revan.
>>318499874
Regarding Ace Attorney, it's kinda hard to shit on plot twists when the series doesn't take itself seriously to begin with. Hell, even the dramatic parts are tongue-in-cheek to an extent.
The series' tone is mostly comedic Not to say that makes it immune from criticism, I'm just not sure why you'd pick out Ace Attorney of all games to take issue with.
>>318500239
>disliking hobo phoenix
>>318499063
Is there a good synopsis of Chrono Cross somewhere? That sounds hilarious.
>>318495778
But you can't be your own grandfather. If we assume that Ultemica is the cause for her own motivation to want to go back in time, then it becomes an impossible paradox.
>>318499874
They might have silly plot but nothing i would count as exceptional badexcept pandora box everything was a mirage
>>318500239
You mean how they gave him actual development? I liked Wright as a bastard, seeing him go back to old Wright as if nothing happened in-between was painful.
>>318498927
At least you knew when it was time to tip the scales
>>318492334
What's the twist here?
>>318500854those furry things are the Precursers whose advanced technology is older than dirt
>>318499862
But you play as the character, the character doesn't even have a name
>>318500854
Precursors turned out to be ottsels. They were still as powerful as people thought the Preccursors to be, they just looked silly.
The Jak & Daxter series was considered a serious piece of high art before this, so the twist ruined everything.
>>318499984
I tried but about 1/4 the way through Code Talker having throat cancer I fell asleep.
>>318501009
seriously? I played jak 1 and 2 but couldn't get the textures to work well for 3 is that seriously how it fucking ends?
>>318500454A more accurate description is that the AI FATE controls Serge's father who is turned to a cat like monster named Lynx(why? I don't know, Serge was injured by a panther once). However because of some time travel bullshit, your possessed father needs your physical body to complete his plan.So he switches bodies with you.You also play 1/3 of the game in the villain's bodyThe only real connection to Trigger is that the AI is inspired by Lucca's research and them fucking with the timeline.
Again, I made it sound more interesting than it actually is. Theres almost no story and its all complicated bullshit. Serge is a silent protagonist and the only party member that has personality is also 1/3 in the game. The rest are literally empty slots for each other.
There must always be...*DRAMATIC LIGHTNING SOUND* a Lich King!
>The aliens who acted subservient and everyone shat upon had actually hidden DNA that when unlocked had the ability to cause some serious damage.
Hard mode:It's not from mass effect
>>318501361
yes. Also that guy you race at one point in 2 is also the main bad guy for some stupid reason even though he saves you in the second game.
Jak 3 was a mess all around.
>>318501437
why? What was the reason given cause I never played wow at this part.
>>318500854
In the Jak and Daxter universe the world (and everything) was built by The Precursors who were long gone by the time of humans. They were studied and revered as gods, and thier technology was vastly superior to everything else. Everything about Precursors had a distinct style of sleek bronze metal and large curved surfaces. Precursors themselves were always represented by giant statues with large bulbous eyes and long trumpet like noses, the idols spoke in very deep, very powerful sounding voices.
After 3 games of this, the ending of Jak 3 revealed that they were actually just silly little rodents who acted like stereotypical cartoon characters (one of them says "yeah dude" and other surfer catchphrases.
It was such a stupid desiscion, made worse by the fact that Jak 3 had a temple dedicated to the Precursors filled with carvings and paintings that seemingly expanded the mythology, and ZERO foreshadowing of the truth, which made the rug-pull even more jarring.
>>318501437
Who was the Lich King when the sword was frozen in that cave?
>>318494650
>cosmic horrors straight out of Lovecraft
>hurr durr, they're just ayy lmaos
you obviously don't know your Lovecraftian lore
>>318501506
Appereantly without the Lich King scourge would run rampant and destroy all of Azeroth. (which is what the scourge was doing anyway)
Blizzard storytelling at it's finest. The new lich king is a shirtless fire-themed lich king instead.
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>>318501437
>there must always be a bad guy who wants to destroy the world so the scourge won't run rampant and destroy the world
this...never made sense and never will. fuck video game writers.
>>318501626
There was some forshadowing. Wasn't it established that dark eco contained the essence of the Precursors? Hence why Daxter turned into an ottsel?
>>318501397
So physically speaking, you play as that furry for 1/3 of the game? It also doesn't sound like a fun game at all
>>318501818
There's a reason they are stuck as video game writers. It's a sad but inevitable state of affairs.
>>318501487
> The guy you race at one point comes back to be the villian even though he saved you in 2
He never saved you, and he did more than race you once. He hated Jak more than anyone (even Praxis came to respect you), he was a vengeful idiot who wanted to fuck Kiera and kill Jak, zero redeeming qualities.
Him coming back as a robot to be the villian was pretty contrived though, but he never went through a personality change.
Regarding Jak 3, wasn't it revealed thatJak's somehow Mar, or did I misinterpret that?
Drakengard, the plot is so full of twists it can screw off M. Night Shyamalalaman's head.
>>318501895
Yes.
Only change in gameplay are your type and sign. attacks
You don't even get his cool weapon
>>318501472
Unreal 2?
>>318502014
i dont even remember the plot i just remember murdering everything in sight in the first one till the giant loli god thing and in the 2nd i just killed everything with that piece of shit sword that gets godly at rank 4 and then once i got it lost all interest to finish it
>>318501882
The game forsshadowed it (mostly due to the Monks reaction to Daxter), but I meant 3's temple architecture and murials seemingly painted pictures of Precusor society, but there was no visual foreshadowing of the reveal.
>>318501895
Its a fun game but clearly wasn't taken in the right direction story wise.
>>318498502
It was only one of you, though.
>>318502151
So you're mad that the game didn't literally paint you a picture about it?
>>318501683
are you for real?
>You get thrown back in time while investigating an Island
>Huge fire is breaking out.
>Save some random guy from said fire.
>Get back into your timeline
>Turns out this random guy was supposed to die here, but since you saved him he now conquers the world and rules over it with an Ironfist
Guess the Game /v/
>>318501958
Maybe im remembering incorrectly, but didnt he sacrafice himself after the last race when Praxis ordered Jak to be killed or something like that
>>318502085
I acually didn't think anyone would get it. Points to you.too bad the points don't matter.
>>318502282
I checked the mirror to make sure but I think I am. I'm not a lore fanatic though and most people aren't so who was it?
>>318501990
I interpreted that as Jak being part of the House of Mar
like how Superman is in the House of El
his name is Mar, named after his ancestor, who created Haven City, which is why Damas was the leader of Haven City, before being usurped by Baron Praxis.
I have no idea why Ashelin says that shit at the end asking if Jak is "THE Mar", that was pretty silly, of course he's not that guy.
>>318502301
No I think he crashes and dies while racing jak over something trivial.
Except he in Jak 3 when he didin't.
>>318502294
singularity?
>>318502294
World war 2: Electric Boogaloo
>>318492341
Good question.
There are people who love it. Just look on PC. Once they got FF13 there were tons of people praising it.
FF13-2 was fine up until the end where it made everything you did pointless.
I didn't bother with 13-3. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you.
>>318502301
Nah, he drove straight into the shipment of eco hoping to kill Jak along with himself. Guy's a sore loser, that's really it.
>>318488480
You could have at least mentioned what the game you are spoiling, fuckhead.
>>318502458
I can't see why it was such a merciless trudge just to reach the "open" area where you start getting those shit sidequests. I was pretty excited to get some side content but when I found out all that included was some fucking statues telling you to go kill shit I threw the game out. The characters are obviously subjective even though I personally found them all to be incredibly stupid except for the little emo kid who half way through started making sense while everyone else was being retarded.
>>318501437
But, that is not even a plot twist nor shitty.
The scourge must be controled so they dont rampage on azeroth.
I'll give you the cliche lightning in the middle of the sentence, but mane, is fucking King Terenas, literally the most important person in the history of humanity in Warcraft, of course he needs some drama before he desappears.
>>318502491
he's doing you a favour
>there is a series of incidents connected to each other in one way or another
>turns out there is a mastermind
>the mastermind is a literally who
It's just stunning how a game with such a great and twisted buildup ended so poorly.tip - it's on DS
>>318501990
In Jak 2 you send your younger self back to the past, so he can grow up in safety and eventually do all the stuff you already did.
It's a paradox, but a neat loop, the only loose thread was where the Metal Heads came from in the first place, since they appeared trapped in the time vortex.
The ending also hints that Jak is Mar (" I think we'll meet him sooner than you think.....")
Jak 3 establishes Damos as Jaks father, and his birth name was Mar, as well as spending the whole game casually mentioning Mar's achievments. It doesn't confirm it, since it could just be named after his ancestor who founded the city. But it really seems like there's a missing thread to the time travel stuff.
A Jak 4 where the metal Heads appear for the first time (I.E Kor doesn't know you) and eventually banish them back in time, to the beginning of Jak 2, and Jak goes back as well to continue fighting them (coming out of the portal seconds after Jak, Daxter, Samos and Kiera enter it would be a nice touch) and assuming the role of Mar, uniting the people and building a city in defence of the Metal Heads would solve pretty much everything that's unanswered and been heavily forsshadowed/implied.
>FFX
>Yunalesca perpetuates a myth that brings about a cycle of endless pain for no real reason besides "muh father"
>>318488480
The entire KotOR2 main plot.
ME3 ending.
DA:Inquisition reveal on how you became the chosen one.
Come to tthink of it any sequels to Bioware games are kinda awful.
>>318488930
>Stans lieutenant
>>318502583
I like Sazh and Snow. Snow for his optimism, and Sazh because he was amusing and bumbling. I kinda have a soft spot for the bumbling father type characters.
Lightning was cardboard, and she could have had a superb dynamic with Hope but in all the time they were alone it was just Hope being angry and Lightning going "... yeah" every once in a while.
The combat nearly put me to sleep, too. Sure you could spice it a bit by choosing not to do auto-battle but it automatically picks the best tactics for you so I saw no reason why not. (Some people on /v/ actually argue that auto-battle will get you killed but really not if you're smart with paradigm shifts, which takes all of once brain cell to understand)
It's a poor game.
>>318502395
Its been a while since I've actually played it, didn't the Precursors say something about helping Jak "fulfill his destiny" when they left with him or something? It showed that he supposedly stayed behind right after, but I kinda interpreted that as Jak playing his part as Mar and then coming back right after he "left". The game introduced time-travel shenanigans before that, I figured it wasn't a stretch for it to do it again. I thought that was why Jak emphasized his name being Mar, because he became the historical Mar.
Your explanation does make more sense though, I just thought it was weird how the Mar angle was pushed in the ending.
>>318501958
the whole Cyber Errol shit was stupid
but I guess they needed to do that, in order to make sense out of how he contacted the Dark Makers, since he could speak to them through his circuitry or some stupid shit
>>318502783
Tidus is part of the planet's dream.
>>318502260
No I'm mad they did it.
The pictures they painted kept the time mystery and ancient, all powerful beings. They then wasted all that potential for a joke.
>>318502752
Oh I knew about the Venom, it was obvious from the start. I just wanted to see this scene by myself, without some prick showing to me prior, and the other cunt saying what's best for me.
>>318488480
Taimanin Asagi, I mean she passes out from getting fucked so much and then wakes up, still getting fucked. Then later on, she kills Oboro, wtf
The nazis conquered and built the world with jew magic.
>>318502861
Sazh was alright till that whole suicide arc then I don't know it just made me not like him. Snow just came off as annoying to me but I guess the reason was because it was Lightnings polar opposite.
>>318493772
Why the fuck would his voice change?
![Indigo-Prophecy-cover-Crop-1280px-40p[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pHpRd8A.jpg "Indigo-Prophecy-cover-Crop-1280px-40p[1].jpg")
I don't see how anything else can win, the sheer volume of shitty plot twists alone makes it hardly a fair fight.
>>318502301
Oh, I guess he did save you, kinda....
But not on purpose. Praxis orders you killed, and before the guards can shoot Errol (completly oblivious to what's going on) tries to run you over out of rage and ends up crashing into a stack of Eco barrels.
> knocking him into a pit on the first lap because all the other racers were gimped to make it so Errol always won, so you had an easy race.
>>318502775
something I don't understand is
when did Kor get to the Rift Ring in the first place?
At the beginning of Jak 2 when he's come to the past
was that explained and I forgot?
>>318503065
forgot about this game but man it was bad. Xenosaga though has a pretty fair share of shitty plot twists in how everything wasSHION'S FUCKING FAULT SHOULDA FUCKING KILLED HER INSTEAD OF THE BRO
>>318502775
3's shitty twist aside I'm surprised how much story Jak 2 has for a platformer.
>>318503110
No it's not, which is why I said that was the one missing link in Jak 2's time loop.
Kor says "at last the rift gate has been opened" (or something similar), which implies they've been stuck in there waiting for a way out.
But that contradicts how Rift Gates work in both the intro and ending, where there was only 1 and they managed to travel through time.
>>318503065
The game had a really cool start and premise.
Then it turned into the Matrix with Mayan cultists and a supervillain manifestation of the Internet.
But then again, a really cool start and premise.
>>318501895
The game is fun, though a bit too easy.
The story however is dogshit. Like I said, only one of the main characters actually has a personality and is barely there. Theres side stuff which is great but it has like 45 fucking characters, most that are better off as NPCs. The characters with perosnality and stories pretty much lose it when they are playable.
>>318488480
seeing your mothers gaping asshole
shittiest twist ever
>>318503169
Chief I'm here to clean all that semen out of your vagina don't worry I totally forgive you for throwing the universe away because you wanted to ride the Kevin train one more time!
>>318503475
*personalities
>Dude who are you I don't trust you how come you have amnesia why are you so strong?
Literally figured it out the second Carth started bitching.
>>318503681
I love how the twist of KOTOR 2 is that there is no fucking twist.
It's like the slow sad death of the universe.
>>318503421
another good opportunity for a prequel would be to play as Mar instead of Jak, since the gameplay is obviously going to be completely different if they ever reboot the series
they could just make a prequel series with Mar as a new character and then there will be less 'Jak = Mar' debates
since apparently Mar and Metal Kor travelled through time fighting each other and they could even call the Metalheads, the Hora Quan in the game, like in Jak 2, when it's revealed that was their original name.
>>318488930
Read this as "LA Noire" and got pretty damn confused.
>>318503225
Yeah, people are always meming about how edgy it is, but it's story and world building are actually quite good.
There's clear goals and objectives for Jak (killing Praxis), but also all the other plots about the Underground, the Metal Heads sabotaging infrastructure and Krews shady stuff.
Jak 3 is one of the worst story structures I've ever seen, go replay it and you'll notice that Jak has no objective for the first 3rd of the game. He's stuck in the desert, not DOESNT want to go home. He's doing odd jobs with no overall goal, then Act 2 and 3 are just a mess with 3 antagonist groups and very poor direction.
2 had some issues (Krews plan involved "selling you all out", he Apperently was going to get rich by betraying both Haven and the Metal Heads and destroying the planet....somehow) but all the mini archs made sense and there was always forward motivation.
After grinding forever, going back in time and grinding forever again, you succeed in taking down the big bad guy and are reborn as the guy who will be killed and replaced by the big bad guy in the future to trick yourself into grinding forever in an infinite timeloop
>>318503939
I liked 2 personally he had a reason to be fucking mad. 3 on the other hand felt like a fucking racing game.
>>318503681
i dont know, im the kind of person who figures out practically every incoming twist on every tv show but i somehow didnt figure out the revan twist when i first played kotor
maybe i was just too dumb when i was younger
>>318488551
>>318503957
That seems pretty bad but if you are killed when do they send you back?
>>318499267
That's the original m8
>>318488930
>satan
>hell
It went full Big Trouble in Little China nigga. Wasn't the end though, the true end is you fighting a flame retardent North Korean general.
>>318488551
literally the entire game besides the first mission was a dreamyou died on the operating table
>>318490674
...I thought they were sisters?
>Why doesn't Poseidon respond?
>Perhaps it is Zeus who favors you?
Then they leave Erebus and it takes several scenarios and a dream sequence later for Arkantos to realize Poseidon is a cunt
The tweest in The Titans is made clear from the start
>>318494606
>>318492807
But the twist is you really are Big Boss. The taboo MGSV is tackling is mental illness. All of the cassette tapes you listen to throughout the game are fabricated to by Zero to manipulate Big Boss, "words to control the subconscious", possibly a primitive version of the S3 plan, Zero is tricking Big Boss into thinking he has a body double. The Man Who Sold The World is a song about a man who finds out he has a body double only to realize he doesn't and he's just schizophrenic.
>>318488930
This sounds pretty awesome, why on earth would you be upset about it?
