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http://www.nintendolife.com/reviews/3ds/mario_and_luigi_paper_jam_bros
> Described as ‘Classical Mario vs. Bowser’ Story.
>Boss fights described as ‘very different from each other’.
>Environments, including villages, are described as ‘stale’.
> The toads you rescue become your slaves and help you during Papercraft fights, with Toadette as the slavemaster
> It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short.
>Bowser Jr. is going to get character development focusing on the fact that he’s secretly very lonely.
>Ultimately called AlphaDream’s overall game design very ‘safe’.
>>318455430
>Bowser Jr. is going to get character development focusing on the fact that he’s secretly very lonely
That's kinda cute
Nintendo is fucking dead to me
>>318455430
Oh boy, another game for barafags to discuss
short hair peach is a sin.
now ponytail peach from superpapermario was some good shit
>>318455430
> It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short.
SCANDALOUS!
JUst want someone to rip all the sprites 2bh.
It's literally the only good thing about M&L 3DS games.
>>318455430
>>318455596
i hate how paper mario is reduced to a gimmick character in the subpar spinoff series of his own games. i hate that this isn't even a paper mario game. fuck nintendo
>>318455430
Sounds cool actually
>Boss fights described as ‘very different from each other’
SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING
NINTENDO IS FINISHED
>>318455430
>>318455591
I remember some other game saying he had a lonely side. I'm kinda interested to see how that goes.
>Peach will never get short hair instead of that silly ponytail thing
BRB killing self
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1l2zYzaUMk
GameXplain review discussion. European affiliate likes the game but dislikes the pacing, amount of Toad missions, and feels the game is too "NSMB/Sticker Star".
>>318456513
>too "NSMB/Sticker Star".
Welp, I know what I will be avoiding now. Goddamn it Nintendo, all I want is a decent Paper Mario or Mario & Luigi RPG.
>amiibo
So what content does it unlock?
>>318455430
>It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short
I'm willing to forgive the generic areas if they did something interesting or unique with them like PM64 did, but it looks like they didn't even bother in that regard.
Is there any reason why Toad Town, the capital city, seems to have inexplicably vanished from the Mushroom Kingdom? And where'smah nigga Toadsworth?
>>318456669
>The introduction of Battle Cards feels something like an alternate version of Paper Mario:The Thousand Year Door's star meter, where performing well in battle added to a pool of star points to be spent on special abilities. Similarly, in Paper Jam you eventually unlock a deck of cards that can heal you, deal extra damage, or affect your stats in many different ways, all at the cost of star points. The bottom screen displays up to three at a time, which can be activated or skipped over during any of your turns, and get randomly dealt out from a fully customizable deck. Dozens of unique, more powerful cards can be purchased in shops, earned as prizes, or are unlocked by using a Super Mario themed amiibo
card details
>All this battling is only part of the adventure though, and an entirely new quest system adds a lot of variety to proceedings. Lakitu Info Centers serve as quest hubs, where an ever-changing selection of Paper Toad rescue missions offer up brief slices of instant gameplay in the form of puzzles, quizzes, or hide and seek chases. Most only take a couple of minutes to complete, but are a refreshing change of pace that never outgrew their welcome in the slightest. Rescuing these poor Toads isn't just a fun diversion either, but is actually necessary to progress in the story. Why? Because the more you rescue, the more slaves - sorry - "assistants" Toadette has on hand to help build gigantic papercraft weapons of course.
missions
>>318456513
>>318455430
+ Story not as bad as Sticker Star
+ The dialogue is really good
+ Bowser and Paper Bowser talk
+ The Koopalings talk
+ Bowser Jr. gets a lot of character development
- 'Classic Mario vs. Bowser' story
- Settings are bland as fuck
- Pacing is bad
- Too many Toad minigames
Eh... sounds like something watching a Let's Play would be better than actually buying it.
>>318455430
Why are they doing this to the RPGs? I don't understand. People liked the unique characters, environments and stories of the other games. They really helped to flesh out the Mario universe and make it feel like a diverse, living world.
now it's just generic goombas and toads and shit. Why now?
>>318456916
Oh, so more horrid meaningful content being locked by cancerous nintendos physical DLC? Yet another pass for me. Gee nintendo, you're doing worse now than you did with the fucking VB
>>318455430
>It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short.
Dick status: muh
>>318456983
Because nintendo has been the new EA for like a year now
>>318456983
They got too reliant on OC so Nintendo is bringing them in line with the other spinoff series so they'll never have another Rosalina situation.
>>318456985
>muh Papah Mary-oh fags
Fuck off, shitposter.
>short hair Peach
muh dick
All of these new ideas come with plenty of tutorials to ease you in, as well as a few gameplay options to make things a bit simpler. You can practice attacks, toggle certain indicators and even activate an easy mode to beef up your bros at the expense of skill points. Guarding at the last minute also helps raise your defense if you can't figure out how to completely avoid an enemy. The best part of this is that almost every tutorial can be completely passed over or skipped through if you aren't interested. The 'R' button fast-forwards through text boxes and cutscenes at lightning pace, so there's always a way to keep things moving if you so choose.
tutorials
>>318455430
>It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short.
boner boner boner boner
>>318456983
Cutting down the roster size and focusing on character parallels makes sense and keeps the story from becoming too much of a clusterfuck/fanfic. As for the areas, they probably wanted to reuse as much assets as possible.
>>318456983
>>318457173
I think Super Paper Mario was the nail in the coffin. IS got too risky with the OCs in that game. None of them looked like they belonged in a Mario game, now they're all paying the price.
>>318455430
Aaaaaaand I'm out
>>318456983
They didn't flash out shit. The OCs didn't exist outside their own series, their own single game even in most cases.
Mario has no fucking worldbuilding, Nintendo never cared.
>>318457015
wow, optional battle cards are your trigger, gee way to go
>all this new info
>almost everyone only gives a shit about Peach's haircut
You know, maybe you guys deserve getting another Sticker Star.
>>318457401
when the new info is literally just confirming "yeah it's mario vs bowser all over again whoooo" theres not much to discuss
>>318457357
Why wouldn't it? Pretty reasonable to be upset by content being taken out to lock behind toys.
>>318457401
Peach's hair is the only good thing there.
>>318455430
>> It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short.
>>Bowser Jr. is going to get character development focusing on the fact that he’s secretly very lonely.
TOO MUCH
TOO MUCH
>>318456092
the only game where boss fights felt the same was sticker star man
this isnt a selling point, its the only good thing left in M&L that isnt garbage.
>>318457401
What new infos? There's nothing new in what OP posted.
>>318457401
Short hair is shit, anyways.
>paper mario will never have different partners all with different personalities ever again
>paper mario will never have different partners all with different traits/skills ever again
>paper mario will never have a funny, enjoyable, dialogue heavy story ever again
Don't say a word, just post your face when.
>>318457401
look at this homo
>>318455430
>Bowser Jr. is going to get character development focusing on the fact that he’s secretly very lonely.
What about his othersiblings?
>>318455430
>It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short.
This sounds exactly like me.
>>318457509
they're run of the mill battle cards that don't last the entire battle
>>318457706
The review doesn't talk about them, but it's a good point: if he's so lonely, why doesn't he just play with seven other fucking kids that live in the castle?
>>318455923
>i hate that this isn't even a paper mario game
No shit
It's being made by the M&L team
>>318456918
Look at your fucking list dude. Is that a game review or a book review? Honestly couldn't tell besides the Toad mini games
>AlphaDream playing it safe again
I dunno why but Dream Team almost felt...sterile. They could've gone so many crazy routes with the dream angle but they held back for a generic "ancient evil has awoken" plot. Seems like they did the same thing with the paper gimmicks here too
>>318457734
And? I don't care if it's a fucking flash on the screen, I don't support cutting content to make more money off fans who will buy toys. If this upsets you, I suggest just filtering me because my opinion is never ever changing brah.
>>318457180
>AAAAAAAAHHHHHHRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH STICKEEEEEEER STAAAAAAAAR
Don't forget to take your meds.
>>318457706
who knows
>>318457292
Atleast Super Paper Mario did have unique designs to some of the characters and the flipside town people were from another dimension so maybe thats why they looked so shitty
>>318457689
>Mario and Luigi
>still has meaningful and funny dialogue
>Paper Mario is the all useful tool and hit taker for the bros
fuck your paper mario
>>318455430
>toadette as the slavemaster
how progressive!
If all you care about is partners/SS Bros. Attacks then you were never a real fan of PM or M&L, just a shithead.
>>318457706But they're not his siblings.
>>318457689
Can it. I like Paper Mario, but this is a Mario & Luigi game. So unless you don't have faith in AlphaDream, stop. We all know Sticker Star sucked, but that was on Intelligent Systems.
>>318457896
>calling out the shittiest Mario game in recent years has gotten so righteous that mad contrarians are doing everything they can to defend it
wew lad
>>318457891
>I don't care if it's a fucking flash on the screen
That's just silly bro, considering the dozens upon dozens of cards obtainable in the game
>>318457689
This is not a Paper Mario game, you retarded fag.
What's the lore behind Paper Mario being in a 3D realm?
>>318457336
>Mario has no fucking worldbuilding,
And yet there exist other Kingdoms besides the Mushroom Kingdom in the Mario Universe.
http://www.mariowiki.com/Beanbean_Kingdom
http://www.mariowiki.com/Mushroom_Kingdom
http://www.mariowiki.com/Waffle_Kingdom
http://www.mariowiki.com/Koopa_Kingdom
http://www.mariowiki.com/Chai_Kingdom
http://www.mariowiki.com/Muda_Kingdom
http://www.mariowiki.com/Easton_Kingdom
http://www.mariowiki.com/Birabuto_Kingdom
As well as a list of implied locations that the Bros have been to outside of Mushroom Kingdom:
http://www.mariowiki.com/List_of_implied_locations
>>318457909
Has anyone translated this yet?
>>318458134
it just works
>>318458134
The Paper Mario world exists in an ancient magic book in Peach's Castle or some shit.
It's not gonna be anywhere near as deep as you or I want it to be.
>>318457543
jr's already been erased from the main series. He's become too developed and must be culled.
The Koopalings are next.
>>318455430
Remember when Nintendo Games werent as shallow as a kiddie pool?
Remember when they were actually substantial games that just had a childish coat of paint on the top instead of minimalist safe-mode garbage?
>>318458032
Bringing it up in every fucking discussion has this kind of effect, retard.
>>318458182
Sprixie too.
Why is only mainline Mario allowed to leave the Mushroom Kingdom now and he can't in the spinoffs?
>>318458353
Is Xenoblade X not substantial?
>>318458182
Can you read? They only exist within their own games.
Nintendo never cared about constistency and never will.
>>318455430
>game is safe
>environments stale
>classic Mario v. Bowser
Fuckin' Nintendo.
>Bowser Jr. gets character development
>in a spin-off RPG game
Alright, that's the silver lining to it. Maybe I'll play if it goes on sale or falls off a truck or something.
>>318458085
Why is it silly to expect the entire game to be available to you and not have to unlock it by paying even more money?
That's just common sense. Anything else is retarded corporate apologist shit
>>318457829
>>318457706
The Koopalings aren't his siblings, and considering he's their prince, I don't think they'd probably be all chummy around him. Look at any game where Bowser's minions interact directly with him; they're usually on edge, terrified, and trying to butter him up with praise and adoration. They're minions, not his friends.
>>318458353
That sure as fuck wasn't Mario and Luigi.
>>318458353
When the fuck has M&L ever been that newfag. The worst of the series was partners in time and it still has a pretty decent game, everything else has been great.
>Toad Town literally just disappeared from the Mushroom Kingdom
>the one locale the RPGs are all consistent with including
I can't handle this lack of Mario lore maintenance
>>318455430
>E3 2016
>Coming soon for the NX New Super Paper Mario and New Super Mario and Luigi
>Bowser kidnappaped Peach and you must stop her
>Traverse through your favorite locales in the NSMB series like Grassland, Desert, Beach, Jungle, Forest, Ice World, Mountains, and finally Lava
>Exciting boss battles in the form of Giant Enemies, Boom Boom, Pom Pom, Bowser Jr. and Koopalings
>>318457909
>>318458015
So we know the Koopalings aren't his kids, but are they at least siblings with one another?
>>318458626
And yet recently they've tried to force consistency by keeping the Aesthetic shown in the NSMB games.
>>318458353
>muh lore
No, Mario games never were like that.
>>318458632
The entire game is available. You can beat and enjoy the entire game without paying anything other than the game
>>318458734
>Bowser kidnappaped Peach and you must stop her
>her
Bowser has a vagoo?!
>>318458694
It was in Galaxy, at least.
>>318458587
>Developed by: Monolith Soft
They still just do their own thing and focus on their Xeno series games. Nothing wrong with them
Alpha Dream is going the same way as Intelligent systems. Being corrupted by nintendo to do nothing but make boring "safe" shit that they hope will sell.
>>318455923
I'll give you being reduced to a gimmick character, but M&L is far from a subpar spinoff.
>>318458869
is that the fucking bull things from the lava levels in mario 64? pretty cool
>>318458694
>Every recent game has her castle sitting in the middle of nowhere
>Mario doesn't even seem to have a house anymore
What the fuck is she even ruling over? Does Mario live in a drain?
>>318457857
It's a story-heavy turn-based RPG man, there's only so much you can expect from the gameplay.
>>318458647
Damn... The fuck is Bowser doing to his poor kid? He's gonna have so many problems as an adult.
>>318458940
>Alpha Dream is going the same way as Intelligent systems. Being corrupted by nintendo to do nothing but make boring "safe" shit that they hope will sell.
This game was made on reused assets like something like Majora's Mask or Galaxy 2. It's just to help tide people till NX is out, whenever that is. If the next M&L doesn't have any original content like the previous M&Ls, then you can be worried, but otherwise this is just a crossover game made with reused assets to service the fans.
>>318458869
>mexican Shy Guy in the snow area
Fucking why?
>all reviews praising the script
>praising the dialogue
>all around mario and luigi shenanigans
Good enough for me
>>318459013
Bullies, yes. They were in 3DWorld too.
>>318459013
Bully, yeah. They were given the redesign in Mario 3D World.
>>318458913
Well, he is a lizard...
>>318458785
Yeah, I think that's still right. I think they described Ludwig as the oldest and Larry as the youngest in the Smash 4 trophies, so it'd make sense.
>>318459013
Bullies, anon. They were in Super Mario 3D World too.
>>318459095
He jumped the border so hard he landed in Canada.
> It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short.
mite be cool, I think she'd look good with short hair.
>>318456513
>feels the game is too "NSMB/Sticker Star"
>>318459095
Peach never built the wall.
>>318458869
I like the 3D World rep and all but I'm sad we can't get at least something from SM64 or World that wasn't featured in something else first.
I guess there's the Ninjis, but that's literally the only Sticker Star enemy that wasn't pried from NSMB.
>>318455430
>Haven't played a M&L game since Bowser inside story and that was GOAT
>Nintendo shoving paper mario in a good series of games because it's been shit for a decade
They are going to shit all over not only my favorire rpg but probably one of the best handheld series they have left just to save a dead one. Faggots
>>318458940
>Alpha Dream is going the same way as Intelligent systems. Being corrupted by nintendo
this is all around hilarious, the paranoia is astounding
>>318457973
But the new bros attacks are awesome
>>318459073
>Papa spends all day plotting to kidnap Princess Peach
>No siblings or mama. No friends, either.
>Routinely get the shit kicked through you by a plumber
>Spends all day by himself building robots
Being Bowser Jr. is suffering
>>318459484
>>Haven't played a M&L game since Bowser inside story and that was GOAT
You didn't play Dream Team?
>>318459383
King Bob-Omb is there for some reason.
>>318459383
King Bob omb.
>>318459076
Don't listen to TTYDfags, they've been running a smear campaign for this game ever since it was announced last E3
![relaxing_in_a_field_by_sugarkills-d8ix68k[3].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1XLdBkS.jpg "relaxing in a field by sugarkills-d8ix68k[3]")
>>318457971
fug off, more toadette is fine by me
I can't fucking believe this game exists.
IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR
WHY CAN'T THERE BE ANOTHER GOOD PM GAME
>>318458473
I think Sprixie is more of an alternate dimension, I mean look at what they're traveling through when they go through that clear pipe initially.
>>318459526
>But the new bros attacks are awesome
Which is why I SS bros. attacks, the physical linking ones from Superstar Saga.
SS.
Proofread next time champ.
I'm calling it now.
One day Bowser Jr. and Jr. Troopa are going to be buddies.
>>318459803
Ask Intelligent Systems
>>318459665
I cannot wait until Paper Mario completely dies. His shit tier existence in Mario and Luigi is ruining that series. Then the fans will fuck off from video games forever.
>According to Iwata's Asks, Alpha Dream had arguments with EAD regarding how the game would be.
I guess they finally yielded
>>318455430
>It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short.
>>318459545
Maybe that's why he loves machines so much. He's always by himself and needs to find companionship in robots and that friendly looking clown car of his.
>I haven’t even got into the new Battle Card system, in which you can build decks of cards that offer various bonuses, buffs and debuffs. You can activate up to three cards before performing any battle action, with each card requiring a certain number of Star Points (earned by causing damage to foes) to use. You can obtain and manage multiple decks of cards throughout your quest, and they’re quite handy but not essential. While there are some difficult battles, this isn’t a particularly hard game.
Okay, so this replaces the star meter system. Build you deck for different shit.
>>318456513
>too "NSMB/Sticker Star".
Miyamoto approves
>>318459551
I'm waiting for the next handheld so i can get the 3ds plus all the good games for cheap. Almost bought it just for dream team and then i felt sad because it was the first time i skipped a M&L game . Is it good Anon?
>It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short
>Bowser Jr. is going to get character development focusing on the fact that he’s secretly very lonely
OH FUCK
THE LORE IS GETTING TOO DEEP
>>318459665
>being this paranoid over a video game
>>318459871
>Jr. Troopa are going to be buddies.
>Implying any supporting character from the first two Paper Marios will ever come back
The most perplexing thing to me was that they chose to use Paper Kamek rather than Kammy.
>>318460104
Yeah! It's good despite the tutorials which this game apparently fixes. Overall, I like Wakeport.
It can't possibly be worse than Dream Team based on the "skippable tutorials" alone.
And if it is, then at least I'll have closure knowing that there will never be a good Mario RPG ever again.
why the fuck wasn't Jr. in the previous games, has he been on vacation this whole time?
>>318459835
Super star Saga moves are awesome too pal. Though they've been getting crazier and crazier with each new game, i hated the Partners in Time Bros items things though
>>318455430
Seems very safe and more Sticker Star/Dream Team than anything else, I'll pass.
>>318460213
they tried to retcon kammy out of existence with sticker star
>>318460213
>Kamek and Kammy interaction
Aw, fuck. That would have been great.
>>318460267
Maybe Bowser sends him to evil Koopa school or something?
>>318460213
Kammy's not safe enough. It'll confuse the NSMB-only crowd and they'll start screaming their heads off when they see something they don't completely recognize.
>>318460153
It's not paranoia.
Every Paper Jam thread has been shitposted to hell and back by PMfags.
And what's even more hilarious is that the assumption that IS is making Alpha Dream become sterile or that this is a new PM game is ACTUAL paranoia. At it's finest, no less.
>>318460269
Yeah! Fuck PiT's Bros items.
>Paper Mario series died
>M&L series died
>M vs DK died
>Tennis series died
What's next?
>>318460104
It's good. Similar to Bowser's Inside Story as well. It's not perfect, but it's solid enough, despite the abundance of tutorials.
I hate how Nintendo's neglect of stories/lore in mario is leeking over into their mario RPGs.
Will we ever get a mario RPG with a plot as good as TTYD again, or a mario platformer with a plot as nice as Sunshine again?
>>318457689
Someone post DATS WHY I FUC UP PAPER MARIO!
>>318457881
Nintendo needs to let them work on their own IP again, there are only so many times the same group of people can put a new spin on a stagnant series before they start developing their own samey formula. And besides, Tomato Adventure was GOAT.
>>318460269
What I meant to say was the shitters who hate every M&L/PM game except SS/PM and TTYD because they dont have the SS type of bros moves or the partners.
You can't get more thick-skulled than this.
>>318460267
What's even more odd is that in Partner's in Time, Bowser forms a sort of father-son like bond with his past self, and by that point, Bowser Jr's existence had already been established.
>>318460409
>M&L series died
ur mum
>>318460453
>I hate how Nintendo's neglect of stories/lore in mario is leeking over into their mario RPGs.
>clearly not a case with this game
>>318460409
Golf
>>318460267
Jr.'s in Dream Team as a secret fight.
>>318460453
We just had Dream Team 2 years ago. It wasn't the standard Mario plot, at least compared to the platformers.
>>318455430
That's about what I expected from the game going off what i've seen.
Looks really fun, seems like it cribs a lot from the last M&L game, but I never got around to playing Dream Team so it'll probably have more than enough new shit for me. Skippable cutscenes and tutorials sounds like it'd make the game a lot easier to replay too, I always hate going back to Superstar Saga and having to do those tutorial rooms every time I learn new skill.
> It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short.
oh MAN
>>318460569
oh, well yeah, that's pretty narrow.
>>318460409
M vs. DK never came fucking close to 94. Yoshi's Story was a watered down sequel to YI.
>>318460572
That's probably BECAUSE Baby Bowser reminds his future self of his own son.
>>318460642
nah lad, mario & luigi's plots have been slowly dumbed down subtly from game to game.
it will soon get the sticker star treatment because miyamoto thinks plot has no place in a mario game
>>318460673
But World Tour was fantastic, anon.
I mean, arguably, Tennis and Golf have been dead ever since the portable games lost their RPG elements but still.
>I know all of the Mario lore. You could say Im a.... Mario Historian
>>318460398
The "BAAWWW STUPID PAPER MARIO FAGS" fags are even worse. Some people find Paper Jam underwhelming, and you just wave it off as shitposting.
People have different opinions. Get over it.
>>318460231
>>318460440
Thanks bros i thought the Luigi shit was going to kill it but if it's like BiS i'm in
>For series veterans, Paper Mario and his wafer-thin cohort are the key ingredient in making things feel fresh. At a base level, he adds a third character to keep track of during battles - his fluttery jump requires different timing to the original duo - and his ability to create multiple copies of himself to boost his defences adds an extra smidgen of tactical depth. Most exciting, though, is his arsenal of trio attacks, in which he flattens enemies with a ginormous cardboard hammer ready for further abuse. The first, for example, sees the squashed enemies pinned to a wall as the heroic trio thwack a squash ball into them. Even better are the tiny details which give the paper cast a distinct identity; how they become ‘crumpled’ rather than stunned, or the way that paper koopa troopas fold themselves into 3D shells to attack. It’s ludicrous, convention breaking, and utterly charming.
So Paper Mario's DEF are copies of himself?
>>318460814
>nah lad, mario & luigi's plots have been slowly dumbed down subtly from game to game.
How are they getting dumbed down, game to game? From Superstar Saga to Partners in Time, etc.
>>318460953
Not him but it comes off as Paper Mario fans, not taking into account the Mario and Luigi side of the game, series, and fanbase at all.
>>318456513
>too "NSMB/Sticker Star"
Somewhere, Miyamoto is thinking "I did a good job, surely more people will become fans and experience the game without all those pesky distractions"
>>318458473
Sprixie is from a mainline game though
>>318460814
>Dumbed down
Mario and Luigi plots have always been dumb funny shit, with the usual emotion whatever thrown in at random. This game doesn't seem to shy away from any of that
>>318460953
>Some people find Paper Jam underwhelming, and you just wave it off as shitposting.
Yes, posting in every fucking Paper Jam thread saying Nintendo is done is not shitposting. Not at all.
Double standards much?
>>318461023
>i thought the Luigi shit was going to kill it
What do you have against Luigi?
>>318456513
>>318456918
Welp.
I guess FF Explorers doesn't look too bad
>>318461171
They aren't. Mario and Luigi has always been skin deep. Dream Team was fucking deeper than SSS. It was funny though.
>>318461302
Man, that's every Nintendo thread in general.
>>318461096
The copies are also his POW since he does fuck all damage by himself.
>>318459970
We'll see when M&L 6 comes.
This was a game made in a shorter time than usual, with many reused assets and was a crossover too.
It's not indicative of anything.
>tfw retarded millenials will never stop circlejerking ttyd and ignoring the superior, original paper mario
Only thing ttyd has going for it is the suped-up combat and better music, everything else is a huge step down imo
>>318461308
He's talking about the stuff with Luigi's special moves and dream world stuff
>>318460453
It's sad because the only thing they ever introduced that would have broken the way you ever view Mario games was maybe the Afterlife place in Super...assuming it was even the real deal.
I mean if Peach was revealed to dye her Hair, made Waluigi relevant or Bowser revealed to be a Girl then yes there'd be a problem, but none of the games have ever done something that wasn't instantly forgotten by the next game.
>>318461465
Partners had more personality.
>>318455430
>Ultimately called AlphaDream’s overall game design very ‘safe’.
Fucking dropped. I am sick of Nintendo playing it safe, and that's really all they do anymore with established properties.
>reading other reviews about the game
>suddenly Paul Heyman reference
>"Play to your strengths. Ignore the weaknesses."
>>318460673
Good. Once Golf and Tennis are dead, maybe Camelot can finally get back to Golden Sun.
>>318461465
>tfw no paper mario 3 to take the stronger aspects of both
>>318460753
So, how long until we get a Bowser Jr. edit of this?
>>318457881
I wanted the final boss to be some sort of dark feelings of inadequacy or jealousy Luigi keeps locked in the back of his brain
>>318461368
I can see how, maybe, some people are like "Well this iis underwhelming this isnt what I want from Mario RPGs". And thats fine.
But then there's this other extreme where people lash out at the game and make up bullshit on the spot about it just to make it sound worse. This is a lot like how Metroidfags reacted to FF from pent up years of apparent "abuse". Its the TTYD fanbase who never got their rehash sequel attacking everyone including M&L fans, which is what these threads are supposed to be geared to, because AGAIN, PAPER JAM IS A MARIO AND LUIGI GAME.
>">Described as ‘Classical Mario vs. Bowser’ Story."
>a con
I don't know about you guys, but I think it's good that Bowser's the main antagonist.
>>318461624
That's a real shame. I can respect IS for trying to take the IP in different directions but it's pretty clear at this point that they don't have the talent to pull it off.
>>318457292
That was kind of the point. The game takes place in a totally different reality.
>>318461745
That goes against the whole brotherly love thing the series has.
>>318461891
And there's 2!
>>318461465
>everything else is a huge step down
>more partners
>partners have more personality/backstory
>more places to explore
>more overworld abilities and overworld interaction
>more badges to equip
>more sidequests
>more extra minigames
>more optional battles
>Pianta mafia
I get that you found the original's art style and world charming, but don't be daft.
>>318461789
That's fair, I actually agree. But you're not doing any better when you shitpost about the Paper Mario fanbase. Fighting fire with fire isn't going to solve anything.
>>318461745
Negative Zone?
>>318458869
>mariachi guy is in
aw yes
>>318461465
patrician detected, although i still think 64 has the better music.
>>318462015
>Now none of us will be virgins!
>>318462051
>more partners
wrong. >>318462051
>more places to explore
debatable>>318462051
>more sidequests
maybe.
>cross-over uses no unique elements from either series
What was the point?
>>318461718
There you go.
>>318462153
Sakurai has some really disturbing ideas of Luigi.
>>318462015
>tfw you'll never be Peach and take part in a gangbang with Bowser and your paper selves
>people are scapegoating all complaints to Paper Mariofags
Superstar Sagafag here, this game is going to be ass, and the franchise will never have the sheer charm, open world-ness and RPG aspects of the original
>>318455430
> It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short.
Oh heavens
>>318462505
as a longtime fan, i am also appalled at this shocking cash grab
Need more art and screens
>>318462451
I dont wanna be Peach, what if I want to cum inside Bowser from time to time?
>>318462390
That's wrong though, it has the unique M&L gameplay and various mechanics from PM.
Sorry if your Fawful and Dementio teaming up fanfiction didn't get greenlit.
>>318458353
Yeah like splatoon and xenoblade x
>>318462505
heh, nice one bro, you tell em!
>>318462751
I never got how Dimentio got so popular when the game he originates from hardly gets any attention.
>>318462505
you've either never played SSS or you've got a very rose-tinted view of the game because you haven't played it since you were little
>want an honest-to-god sequel to Super Mario RPG/Paper Mario TTYD
>it will never happen
why
>>318462390
I understand that something using elements from both series (Especially Sticker Star) had to play it safe otherwise it'd be like the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles crossover where they kept shitting on the 1987 Turtles.
I just hope this blandness doesn't spread to M & L next. But we won't know for years.
>Some reviewers saying pacing is great
>Some say it has issues
>All Universally agree writing is top notch
Good to hear, the battle system seems to be in shape and mixed up with Paper Mario and the card stuff. Hope we see more gameplay videos
>>318462505
SSS"the series will never be good like the first game ever again"fags are just as bad, queer.
>>318463058
He's intelligent, nihilistic and has a wicked sense of humour
>>318462451
anon please i already fapped today
>>318462659
>all that wasted potential in the Trio Attacks
Could have had the Bros. shoot cannons in a Paper Mario boat or used rolled up Paper Mario instead of tennis racquets.
At least the kite one is cool.
>>318463071
might be the latter, enlighten me because everyone thinks im trolling, protip im not.
i distinctly remember backtracking and fucking with badges in SSS and just a lot more secrets in general like yoshi's theater
>>318461336
FF Explores is shit Anon.
I'm sorry.
>>318463287
C'mon man, you know it doesn't count as a sequel.It's way better than its predecessors
>Mario & Luigi game
>Paper Mario joins
>REMOVE badges for this one
why in the shit
>>318462451
>bowser
>hairy ape
>arm air
fucking what
>>318457937
i love how that attack is big luigi just hits them with a fucking hammer. not joking i really do like that.
>every review mentions how the usual Mario and Luigi slapstick and writing is still present
>every review talks about how the bosses and combat are still diverse and fun
>/v/ just focuses on to a handful of nitpicked words from one review and loses its shit
when are we going to get gameplay footage that doesn't have some faggot talking over it
or at least a music rip
>>318463298
I don't know, they're all pretty different, some involving Paper Mario like the Kite one and the racket ball, other Paper mario's just cheering on. More paper related ones would rule, but there's still some we haven't seen yet (reviewers were hush hush about it)
>>318463310
Yoshi's Theatre definitely wasn't a secret, you have to visit it to get all the beanstar pieces.
The only secrets I can remember off the top of my head are those little sidescrolling caves that reward you with top-tier items/gear dotted around the overworld and that one room where you make plants grow by spitting water on them.
>>318458647
That'd be pretty anti-climatic given that we've been waiting to see how they treat each other for years.
>>318463438
>He's played a game that isn't out yet
Can you get me an early copy too bro, since you've already played the game in order to know its shit?
>>318463310
Dream Team had easily just as much backtracking as SSS. The sidequests are more obvious and don't feel as "secret" as they did in SSS but they're at least still there. The difficulty is about the same throughout the whole series, with the exception of PiT which was a little on the harder side.
It's okay for SSS to be your favorite, but idea that SSS is on a whole different level than the rest of the M&L series is just pure nostalgia talking.
>>318463663
they still wear mario and luigi gear that does all the other stuff, the last game i played was Bowsers Inside story and i wasn't a fan of the badge system there.
>>318463310
Yoshi Theater wasn't a secret.
>>318463808
Not him, butExplorers is a year old.
Anyone ever figure out the Koopalings ages? I think I have a good theory...
Okay, Ludwig is the oldest. No doubt. He is the king of the crop. He is the oldest looking. Not the biggest, perhaps, but the most mature. Then I'd say it's Roy. He's got a manly voice and a mature face. I'd say Ludwig is about 17 and Roy is 16. Then Iggy Koopa. He's got to be at least 15. He's intelligent, tall as fuck and he's on the fine line of acting like a child.
Next up is Morton. He's about 14. He's big, bulky, but he kind of sounds and acts like a child. He has a ton of immature mannerisms. He's basically the big dumbass. Then Wendy O Koopa. She has to be at the VERY least 13 since females can't physically skate until they hit puberty and we all know her love for glamour and fashion with her pink heels, lipstip and hoop rings and big frilly bows. She is going through her puberty phase which is also why she antagonizes the much prettier Princess Peach and Priincess Daisy. O
So where does that leave us? Ah, Larry. He's probably... 11-12. He's pretty much on the cusp of that blandless of boys before puberty. He's almost there. And then there's Lemmy, he's small, loves big balls and has a wild sense of humor. He's by far the youngest. I'd say he's 7-8.
And that's my theory of the ages of the Koopalings. Thanks for reading /v/!
>>318463732
Sometimes, simple is best.
>>318464014
thanks family
>>318464014
>I have a good theory
It's confirmed that Ludwig is the oldest and Larry is the youngest.
>>318464014
The age is determined by the order they're fought in SMB3.
>>318464014
The order you fight them in SMB3 is from youngest to oldest
>>318463310
They tell you where the damn Beanstar pieces are.
>>318463956
>the difficulty is about the same throughout the series, except PiT
bullshit, SSS was fucking brutal and had you fight the final boss at 1 health (little kid me had zero healing items so that might have been my fault), meanwhile PiT you had an extra 2 lives in the form of your babies at all times.
in terms of secrets, i really don't know, i only played PiT a bunch of times and never noticed any secrets, and quit minutes into dream team because of tutorials.
>>318455430
The white outline of the new Paper Mario is fucking disgusting and completely unnecessary. Paper Mario 64 and TTYD had none of this, Mario wasn't made of paper, he was just flat. The paper jokes were tasteful like Mario sliding under the covers when resting or folding once in the entire game into a paper plane after defeating the Koopa bros to leave the castle area.
There were no giant fans, scissors, scotch tape, stickers or whatever dumb paper gimmick Nintendo have now permanently associated with Paper Mario.
What we need is a Starfox Zero like reboot for the Paper Mario franchise because these new installments have all been complete and utter failures.
>>318455430
>It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short.
So they're just confirming her obsolete now that Rosalina exists?
>>318455596
It still got an 8 you retard. They're playing it safe this time because Dream Team got flak for "too many tutorials" and "too much filler!" and plus they also have to please the Paperfags, who are has ravinous and hostile as Metroidfags.
>>318464805
The outline is to easily discern which characters are paper (3DS resolution, remember) and which characters have copies.
>>318464014
Morton is actually the 2nd yougest.
>>318464950
Dream team was also long as fuck, one of the longest mario games of all time. Was that actually a concern?
>>318464805
dumb feelposter
>>318462505
>open world-ness
>bunch of gates locked until you advance the story and learn the appropriate Bros. move
>the moves are learned in a specific order
>>318464713
>SSS was fucking brutal and had you fight the final boss at 1 health
SSS was pretty easy. Bros. moves were overpowered (Advanced were straight up broken) and enemies had the easiest attack tells.
The final boss doesn't start off with anything unpredictable and if you were smart and dumped a few points into speed, the bros. could move first to heal.
>>318464805
>What we need is a Starfox Zero like reboot for the Paper Mario franchise because these new installments have all been complete and utter failures.
But this isn't a Paper Mario game.
>>318464713
SSS was easy, but they did double all the stats for the U.S. version. Cackletta is actually very easy. Her heart can be beaten in one Bros. Attack if you're good enough. Dreamy Bowser is actually the hardest boss in the series. Unless you use Bros. attacks, he will fucking heal and whip your ass with his bullshit.
>>318465110
>yougest
i fucking read that as yogscast and nearly lost the fucking plot
>>318464950
Mario RPG fans in general are.
Also, I don't understand the environment complaints. THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN SAFE.
>>318465326
Sorry, I meant to say the 2nd yogurt
Only using the main characters from each series is such a waste since they're all largely similar to each-other. Bowser's pretty much the same, Kamek's the same now that Kammy is RIP, ditto with Peach. Only Paper Mario is really separate from Mario and Luigi since he's on his own.
>>318464713
>SSS was fucking brutal and had you fight the final boss at 1 health
the hardest thing in sss was the final level of border jump. bosses were a joke.
>avoid two jumping attacks
>heal
or just put some points in speed like a smart person so you get a turn first
not to mention cackletta's final form is fucking DESTROYED if you use a bros. attack perfectly
(little kid me had zero healing items so that might have been my fault)
>might have been
you're a biased fucking moron
>>318464805
The original Paper Mario had him falling down like Paper. The opening was Bowser replacing the Star Rod and shit. TTYD had folding and shit.
>>318465404
stop fucking with me
>>318464786
I am a millenial and I like 64 better
>>318465285
>Dreamy Bowser starts to heal
>kill all the troops
>D.B. spawns more troops to heal himself immediately afterwards
>>318465365
BiT was pretty out-there disregarding the mundane as fuck overworld
>>318464713
>SSS was fucking brutal and had you fight the final boss at 1 health (little kid me had zero healing items so that might have been my fault)
Sounds like SSS was "fucking brutal" because you were a kid who sucked at video games. Those coconut niggers with spears in Dream Team are harder than anything in SSS.
>>318465365
that's a really weird image, it doesn't even make an attempt to pick related screenshots. Why use three instances of Fire Bros (the least visually interesting bros attack) and then Splash Bros? Why pull just one environment?
>>318465135
I have about the same amount of time logged on for TTYD. Jesus fucking Christ did they pad the game out.
>>318465641
>Bowser's inside story overworld
I mean, it was nice, but other than that, it was pretty standard, moving in and out pipes with the bros was a bit tedious, switching between characters (Controlling Bowser kicked ass though)
>>318465285
>99 Mushrooms with the Shroom Force and Red Peppers
We all didn;t know how to cheese thing y'know
>>318464805
>Paper Mario 64 and TTYD had none of this, Mario wasn't made of paper, he was just flat. The paper jokes were tasteful like Mario sliding under the covers when resting or folding once in the entire game into a paper plane after defeating the Koopa bros to leave the castle area.
I think you need to play TTYD again. Mario Golding himself into a paper plane and paper boat was a mechanic that was used many times throughout the game.
>>318465430
Who says she's gone? She could be Kamek's aunt!
>>318457292
Well after going to a completely different continent and the moon, where else could Paper Mario have gone but jumping through different dimensions?both literally and figuratively
>>318466008
>implying you need items to "cheese" SSS
literally just git gud at chopper and knockback
>>318464713
The final boss is the only thing that was moderately difficult about SSS, don't fool yourself.
Dream Team is definitely much harder than SSS since the enemies have more erratic attack patterns and hit harder as well, and also has a second difficulty.
>>318465525
So do I. I think TTYD had way too much backtracking (not that Dry Dry Outpost didn't have that shit either).
>>318466224
Stop raining on his biased nostalgia, Anon.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/11/mario-and-luigi-paper-jam-bros-reviewed-stuck-between-two-worlds/
Here's another review.
+ Bowser Jr and Paper Bowser Jr relationship one of the highlights of the story
+ Boss fights are fun
-Turns into a grind very quickly
-Not as funny as previous M&L games
>>318466047
Let's not forget the arcade where you had to race a bunch of toads by turning thinner.
>>318466237
Running into the tanooki goombas before beanbean castle can be pretty punishing too.
>>318466440
>Not as funny as previous M&L games
>Not as funny as the previous games in a series that has never been funny and is only funny if you're a mouth breathing 25 chromosome retard
Dropped hard.
>>318466440
>Not as funny as previous M&L games
>other reviewers saying otherwise
dammit, where is the consistency. Where are the new videos
>>318466440
>-Not as funny as previous M&L games
I heard some reviewers saying it was funny.
>>318466763
What games do you find funny anon?
>>318455430
>Bowser Jr. is going to get character development focusing on the fact that he’s secretly very lonely.
>>318466440
>Bowser Jr and Paper Bowser Jr relationship one of the highlights of the storyMY VERY OWN CLONE! NOW NEITHER OF US WILL BE VIRGINS!
>>318466440
It says that it doesn't live up to the potential this crossover should have been, not that it isn't as funny as past games.
Weird how Bowser Jr. is quickly becoming the best thing about this game.
>>318466440
>Unfortunately, skirmishes against normal enemies quickly become a grind, with the same string of moves being both the safest and fastest route to success.
you can say that about every Mario RPG
>>318466440
>Not as funny as previous M&L games
Never really considered any of the games that funny.
Some of the lines that clearly try to be funny make me cringe most of the time. BIS was the least funny IMO.
>>318465641
>Peach's Castle always switches around every game, never looks the same but it's usually near a Town
>Suddenly decide to stick with the NSMB version that's buttfuck in the middle of nowhere
First the series doesn't care about continuity, now suddenly every game looks exactly the same.Jeeze.
>>318458734
Don't give Nintendo ideas, anon.
>>318467101
I thought Mount Pajamaja was funny with the /fit/ humor. Did you read some of that shit?
>>318459013
>>318458869
>wow this nostalgia is sure to give us points with the cool kids who still play our games!!!!
>>318464805
In TTYD he was. In 64 he wasn't (the Paper thing was ultimately underused and pretty much just a visual style thrown in for the sake of it)
>>318464713
>SSS was fucking brutal
You really need to replay it, man. It's not at all in the slightest.
Dream Team is probably the hardest - consistency wise - as far as boss battles goes, because boss attacks do large amounts of damage and they're generally harder to dodge than early games because they're longer and more complex.
Overall the games are easy, though.
Hardest in the series - beside the boss rushes - is probably the final boss gauntlet in Partners in Time.
From my memory it was a very long series of boss fights, but I may have been underleveled at the time. I also recall that the Elder Shroob Queen has some attacks which, depending on RNG, are borderline guaranteed damage. (IIRC there's a series of vine attacks and if some of them target the same person in succession it's extremely difficult to dodge. Or something like that, I forget)
>>318467293
I chuckled at their enthusiasm and the thought of their accents, but things like BEEF STEW aren't that funny to me.
Don't get me started on that guy at the Mad Skillathon or UMAD?
>>318463562
hahaha wow anon jeeze always the kidder
>>318466901
The kid thinks his dad is an infallible god, he has no mother except for a woman his father constantly kidnaps, everyone his own age is terrified of him, and he spends most of his time locked up in a dark castle. Him wanting to fuck his clone sounds like a natural outcome of his upbringing.
>>318467498
I'm talking about the statues anon.
>>318467368
>From my memory it was a very long series of boss fights, but I may have been underleveled at the time.
All the bosses in the original US version apparently had a ridiculous amount of health. International versions reduced them all to a more reasonable level
>>318467581
Oh. The ones stating how the great heroes lived and/or died or something?
I honestly forgot what most of them said.
>>318467617
That would explain it. Didn't know that tidbit of information; thanks anon.
>>318467705
There was one about benching, there was one guy on a ball, there was another guy in a lava spa, there was another guy talking about buying protein shakes or something, etc.
>>318463808
You know the game has been out in Japan for a while right? Anyone with a Japanese 3DS or a modded 3DS can play it right now. And yes it's shit.
>>318467617
>in the original US version
Wait, is AlphaDream a western company?
>>318465285
>SSS was easy, but they did double all the stats for the U.S. version
Interesting, where can I read about this?
>>318455430
>Ultimately called AlphaDream’s overall game design very ‘safe’.
What game has Nintendo made that isn't 'safe' anymore?
You are now aware the paper characters have 4 eyes and 2 mouths each
(2 eyes and 1 mouth on each of their sides)
>>318468062
Paper characters have backs.
>>318468267
explorers came out december 18, 2014 dude
>>318468059
>Not quite the multi-universe revolution it could have been, but AlphaDream certainly didn't resort to playing things too safe.
This is the only time they use the word safe. You guys need to read the goddamn review.
>>318468476
I went back to look at what game you was quoting. Sorry man!
>>318468595
'Too safe' suggests it's not 100% bland, but it's still within safe range.
>>318468028
No, but going by Wikipedia, PiT's North American version was in fact released before all other versions, including the Japanese version
>>318468059
Tropical Freeze...sort of.
>>318455430
>> It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short.
>>318469180
platformers on nintendo consoles are inherently fairly safe by default, albeit TF isn't nearly as safe a game as NSMBU or Yarn Yoshi, or that dogshit sonic game that released a couple years back
>can skip tutorials
is this on the first playthrough of the game?
is there regular EXP this time? no sticker bullshit?
>>318455591
>he knew Peach wasn't his mom, but kidnapped her anyway because he wanted to believe so badly
>>318469905
You can say no to some tutorials as usual. You can speed up the dialogue with R.
>no sticker bullshit
It's a Mario & Luigi game, not a Paper Mario game.
>>318469905
They say it's incredibly easy to skip tutorials and leveling is indeed back
>>318469905
>no sticker bullshit?
Well, this isn't a Paper Mario game, so no
>>318470002
>>318470003
well that solves both problems. Dream team was a beautiful game but ruined by tutorial hand holding and sticker star was just garbage.
all this thread is telling me is that reviews are being used by people who don't play the games and use them for shitposting, especially when they end up being false
>>318458913
You must stop Peach from getting her plumbing done.
>>318465632
>>318465285
You have to admit thatDreamy Bowser was the worst-designed final boss in the M&L series.
>>318470517
He has some fun attacks but that heal is bullshit.
>>318470517It was a shitty fight and stupid design with great music.
>>318467263
>Implying it hasn't been set in stone yet
>>318457706
They're not his siblings anymoreBowser found out that he's not the father
>>318466963
Eh. Maybe this'll finally stop all the Koopaling vs. Bowser Jr. shitposting.
>>318471196
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0wF2nb-Vb0&feature=youtu.be&t=2m31s
2:31
>>318471207
That'll never happen. Bowser jr. doesn't have funny neon colored hair, which means he has inherently less personality than the other small bowsers
>>318455923
Good bait anon, or you completely ignore this is mainly M&L with that toilet paper dumbass in.
>>318471523
>angry nigger man
no thanks
Sounds good, I'll be playing it and enjoying it while the sonyggers stay butthurt as their GayStation Shita gets those stupid weeb porn games.
>>318455430
>Bowser jr
>secretly very lonely.
Aw... Kind of feel bad for the little shithead now.
>>318471868
Not enough consolewar bait. Try again.
>>318455430
I'm willing to give AlphaDream a pass considering Nintendo's in a weird transitional phase, but next time, I want them to go bold or go home. If having a third party member works well for Paper Jam, have multiple, swappable third wheels to join on Mario & Luigi's side. I want them to try to be a worthy successor to SMRPG when it comes to playable characters.
>>318455430
>europe shoehorning Bros. into a Mario and Luigi game again
DREAM TEAM BROS DOESN'T EVEN REMOTELY SOUND GOOD.
>>318469981
He wanted to be alongside his papa for a while as he did something important for him...
>>318472414
Copyright reasons, obviously
They did it with paper jam to be consistent
>>318455430
>It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short.
What is this tabloid bullshit?
>>318472585
>Copyright reasons
WHAT THE FUCK THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE
>>318456916
>post yfw paper mario partners are only referenced in the cards
here's mine
>>318472036
Alpha Dream probably did it on purpose because everybody besides the bigwig at Nintendo who keeps forcing him hates the little shit.
The review probably takes it out of context anyway.
>>318472943
I never had a problem with Bowser Jr. People just seem to hate him because he replaced the Kooplaings, who never had much of any personality anyway.
>>318472943
There's another review at >>318466440
that says he's one of the best parts of the story. Nice try
>>318472585
>Copyright reasons
What the fuck nigga?
>>318473174
All of them are pretty lame to be honest, the only thing jr. has over the recolor squad is the fact that he's a single shit character instead of 7 shit characters
>>318472585
Who the fuck owns the concept of your Printer getting clogged up by Paper?
Just make Paper Mario Thousand Year Door 2, seriously is it that difficult?
>Bowser Jr. with actual story and character building
Finally
>Bowser Jr. is actually a little lonely
It'd be nice if at the end of the game he and Bowser have a touching father and son moment. It seems like Bowser really cares about him in Sunshine.
>>318472563
Because he feels like he didn't earn his crown. Ludwig was the rightful heir before he made his grand entrance, and though they won't vocalize it, he can feel the cold glares from his eldest, adoptive brother.
The koopalings don't acknowledge him off of the field, and his father is too busy with solo kidnappings, planning, and trying to keep his army in check to pay him any mind. Jr. is alone, hated by his only potential friends in a large, crowded, and yet to him, strangely empty castle.
>>318470517
Well yeah! Bowser essentially went Super Saiyan.
>>318473960
Koopalings aren't his kids (Anymore), Ludwig's just some Meth-head Bowser hires sometimes.
Unless this game proves otherwise.
>>318473623
no, i want this first
>>318473960
Does Bowser Jr. actually build all the robots he fights in? Was anything revealed about that? Because if so, he's a smart little guy.
On a somewhat unrelated note, I loved his trailer in Smash.
>>318473623
Intelligence Systems hasn't been really up their game recently with FE series kinda dwindling in sales.
>>318474204
He probably does. Probably works on them in between games while Papa Koopa's drawing up his next scheme.
>>318461745
When you went into the deepest part of Luigi's subconsious you found out the complete opposite.
He looks up to his bro and practically idolizes him.
>>318474204
Juniorfag here. It's ambiguous wether he actually makes his own machines or not: in Fortune Street he has a line of dialouge suggesting he designs at least some of his mechs, while in Smash Bros Palutena's guidance conversation suggests the Clown Car was probably a gift from his dad.
>tfw you'll always be the only one who loved Super Paper Mario
dat story and music was great, gameplay wasn't amazing but it was still fun, and the cute art style of paper mario suited it perfectly
>>318474204
I wouldn't be surprised if he did. It's not in Bowser's personality to actually build shit himself.
>>318474557
It was really good until the space chapter, then the quality dropped like a rock.
>>318474557
wrong, i loved Super paper Mario. A shit ton of dialogue though, however it was some nice stuff with the story and characters. Great music
>morons who ran the treadmill
it's called looking around the fucking mansion
>>318474231
What? Awakening is the best selling FE game, got to see how fates performs in the west.
>>318474710
>There are people who earned the amount manually
Look at them, look at them and laugh.
>>318474710
I saw Yahtzee's review and called him an idiot. I do think it's impressive how they gave dialogue to all 100 fighters in the sixth chapter.
>>318474761
Are we actually getting the 3 games in one deal in the U.S.?
>>318474557
>want to replay super paper mario
>remember the treadmill
>remember that dumb bullshit in the caveman level where you have to memorise some ridiculously long code
>>318475052
>he did the treadmill
Bait?
>>318465285
>Dreamy Bowser is actually the hardest boss in the series.
You mean hardest final boss right?
Because Bowser X and Bowser Jr. are way harder.
>>318474805
I'm always amazed by that, I don't believe they're for real.
>>318455430
>even the Nintendo fanboys said it's too much like Sticker Star
ABORT
Shit GAME
>>318475616
Learn to read kiddo.
Best review coming through
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7CueM5wF5w
>Dissapointing in what you wanted the game to be
>But the game still delivers
>Paper Kamek goes to bother M&L Wiggler
>Paper Petey is just grabbing Toads and eating them
>Bowser Jr is absolutely ignored and treated like shit by the Koopalings which is why he makes a best friend in Paper Bowser Jr
>Bully and Sombrero Guy in the same battle
yes, the game is extremely safe in design, but the gameplay vareity and the extreme amount of charm is making me smile every time
>>318476982
>Bowser Jr is absolutely ignored and treated like shit by the Koopalings
Is this confirmed? Because holy shit that was seriously how I pictured their relationship.
>>318455923
>feels the game is too "NSMB/Sticker Star".
Oh no, we are using the actual Mario universe
Oh my god
Run for the fucking hills
Lets ignore that the gameplay is literally improved form past games
>>318462505
You would be wrong there
The biggest thing about Paper Jam is how charming the interactions between the characters are
>>318476982
>Bowser Jr is absolutely ignored and treated like shit by the Koopalings which is why he makes a best friend in Paper Bowser Jr
I'd honestly be shocked that Nintendo would go down a route that dark, especially since they know damn well those two fandoms have always been at war with each other.
>>318477254
People fixate on the NSMB areas in Sticker Star and not the myriad of other problems it had.
>>318476982
>mexicano shy guy in the snowy area
They really didn't give a fuck about having enemies fit in with their environments this time around did they? It can't be that difficult to use an ice enemy in the ice world.
The battles look really fucking fun let's be serious here though.
>>318455430
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7CueM5wF5w
I wonder if this guy's aware he was spoiling some things no one else did.The tradition continues. ANOTHER Wiggler boss. Alpha Dream does not disappoint.10/10
>>318477405
How old is Bowser Jr? Because if he's younger than the koopalings, yeah-- that's really fucked up. If the kid has any friends at all in that castle, it'd probably be them, and if they hate his guts and bully him then why the fuck wouldn't Bowser intervene?
>>318476982
>Paper characters aren't flat, they're thick eraser like things
Right, cancelled pre-order. Fuck this.
Reposting because people are having an absolutely bullshit amount of bias for a retarded reason
The positives:
+Gameplay improved into 3 man fight system +Paper Mario has his own mechanics like the copy ability and can block and flutter jump +Overworld is more zoomed and you can sprint +Main point of the mashup is for characters that appeared in both series to interact with each other
+Enemies and their Paper Counterparts attack and must be avoided very differently from each other
+More Mario series representation for character that haven't been properly implemented like Bowser Jr, Koopalings, King Bob-Omb, Chargin Chucks, Ninji's, as well as newer characters like Nabbit and Ant Troopers
+No more 2D Platforming sections like DT and BIS +Fireball Bros moves is back to the fast paced BIS version
The Negatives:
-Main Mario series only
-The plot is simply Bowser and Paper Bowser -despite the variations, toad missions are numerous
That's literally it
If your gonna let the flaws really bother you, then by all means ignore the game but don't pretend the game isn't gonna be great
>>318461465
>better music
But the music from 64 is much better than TTYD.
>>318477548
I think it's a gag about bullfighting.
>>318477893
That's a gorrilion Mariachi Guys stacked on each other anon.
>>318477879
Definitely the youngest of the bunch
Even though they're not siblings, it's probably the same type of runt-of-the-litter relationship. "If you tell mom and dad, we'll beat you up!"
He probably wants to tag along with them more often but to them, they'd just consider that babysitting him.
>>318478014
That's actually kind of funny if intended
>>318477893
If you actually watched any trailer, you would know that they are flat, just hat they also multiply so there is a fuckton of them.
>>318475295
I wasn't talking about the extra shit. I just got done with a Challenge Medal Bowser X fight. FUCKING DAMN IT!
>>318476982
Any specific reason why Nintendo is started to put Bully's in more Ice Style areas?
They were originally associated with Fire in their first appearances
but ever since 3D World Brought them back its suddenly ice levels
Is it because their pushing concept works better in slippery physics?
>>318477879
>they hate his guts and bully him then why the fuck wouldn't Bowser intervene?
Bowser doesn't need to lose kids who can lead armies and take over 7 lands while he does other more important stuff over kindergarten drama.
>>318477548
>>318478014
>>318478163
wouldn't look as weird if they had the right bully
>>318478014
>Mexican guy and a Bull (y)
Fuck now I want to see if they interact with eachother like those chicken things that use bros moves from BiS.
>>318478253
There was a bully in snowman land in mario 64 I think
>>318478253
>Is it because their pushing concept works better in slippery physics?
and more annoying for the player
>>318478137
Jesus Christ, koopalings fans would probably flip their shit if their first spoken game characterization shows them as complete assholes who terrorize a single younger lonely kid.
But, I'm pretty sure this is just speculation: no one's brought in any proof.
>>318478014
That would work better if it wasn't the ice world
>>318478253
I think Alpha Dream is putting enemies wherever they see fit. I remember seeing Ant Troopers in a cave environment.
Also I thought Super Mario 3D World mostly had them on ship and tower levels.
>>318476058
I want to get mad at Euro fags for getting the game early
But then i remembered they are gonna be stuck with the stupidest name
>Paper Jam bros
Serves you fuckers right
>>318478341
>chicken things that use bros moves
I don't recall. Were they in the sewers?
>>318478509
Forgot pic.
>>318478253
>Why do Chucks only take 2 hits?
>Why is the Goombas Shoe in an ice level as a hard to control Ice Skate?
>Why the fuck is Spike in Mario Party?
We'll never know
>>318466047
Not him, but I get what he means. The visual paper jokes were modest and tasteful. It was poking fun at the artstyle, but it didn't give off the idea that the entire world was literally (in-story) made out of paper, unlike with SS and PJ.
>>318478620
I forgot their name. They look like Mario/Luigi's nose and if there's two of them one will jump off the other and launch into you ala Superstar Saga's Jump move.
They were in the Sewer.
>Superstar Saga makes a direct reference to Paper Mario in Woohoo University
>Beanbean Kingdom residents appear in TTYD
DEEPEST LORE
>>318479090
Nooz a cute
>>318477405
Well just like they throw Rosalina in every other spin-off these days, they know where they can get attention with certain things.
>>318456092
You seem to misunderstand
The Bosses are actually fun and require different interaction to fight them
How the fuck is this a negative
>>318456513
Are people really gonna pretend that Mario series representation is what was wrong with Sticker Star?
Like really?
and technically speaking, The game is more of a overall Mario world expansion, its not NSMB, its the Mario world in general from the original to 3D World
NSMB doesnt have Chargin Chucks, ant troopers, King Bob-omb, Flutter, Bully's, shy guys and other shit
>>318477548
Bullys aren't strictly a hot area enemy for one in SM3DW they were in a rainy shipwreck and the paper enemies seem to have appeared at random places.
>>318479291
Yeah, but seriously? You're gonna take your franchise's most famous father and make him an unwitting instigator of child abuse from his own minions? There's a difference between making characters 'evil' and making them 'awful'-- nobody wants to see Bowser be an abusive dad.
>>318478818
It did because the intro to Paper Mario 64 made Paper and 4th wall jokes. Hell! The battles in TTYD were on a stage.
>>318462451
>and your paper selves
That must hurt
>>318478331
Bullys aren't tied to a weather, learn your Mario lore you austistic son of a bitch.
>>318456513
>Dislikes the pacing
Thats like your opinion
I like the fact that we get to play the fucking game right from the get go and not wait 30 years for an intro tutorial
>>318479336
He's being sarcastic.
>>318479574
But anon, it's only ok when PM and TTYD do it!
>>318479468
>child abuse
The Koopalings are arguably older than Junior and therefore probably don't want to play with him.
>>318456513
The comments are pissing me off even more
>Get Gamexplain, when is your review coming to talk about how US REAL FANS feel, everybody else is praising "accesibility" and "gameplay"
Like seriously what the fuck
Are Paper Mario fags really THAT lost?
Do they not understand this game isnt meant to be about cameos?
>>318479765
That's still pretty harsh. I just don't see Nintendo ever doing something like that.
>>318479574
The most I remember from 64 was Mario sliding under the sheets like he was made of paper, but that's it. Again, it's poking modest fun at the artstyle.
If 64 was made today then that scene would have a giant pair of realistic scissors come out, cut a bunch of plain paper, and have a pair of realistic hands folding it all into a papercraft bed before grabbing Mario and tucking him in.
And the TTYD battles being on a stage has literally nothing to do with the paper jokes.
>>318479468
It's Bowser after all, he's the bad guy, it wouldn't be surprising if he sort of neglected him after being fed up by the Paper Bowser, after all the Sunshine ending puts a better tone on their relationship I guess specially if Junior feels lonely.
>>318479831
>2015
>being surprised that people who leave comments on youtube videos are retards
>>318462505
>being this butthurt about the crossover being good even if it includes Paper Mario
>>318462512
I wonder if Peach has a shaved pubes.
>>318478818
>all those black chest curses
Yeah and I bet any Mario can roll up into a tube, turn flat on his side, fold into an airplane and boat as if he was a piece of paper.
>>318456128
>Implying she wont after this
>>318480337
TTYD pushed it but it still wasn't even remotely as bad as it is in SS and PJ.I still prefer 64 over TTYD anyway.
>>318455596
you retard this is the most exciting time to be a fan for NIntendo , just think about it ALL this year we been getting shit game after shit game, that just means the actually good developers in NIntendo had been working hard as fuck in projects. What projects would that be? NX titles motherfucker , Its pretty likely because of this terrible year that the NX will come out next year with amazing launch titles.
>>318479905
When he falls out of Bowser's castle, he floats down like paper. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DLk0VGXT78
>>318473623
Doorfags are almost as bad as Meleefags
>>318480570
I'm really pissed off about this if true.
>>318480768
Makes sense, they come from the same era.
>>318468059
Splatoon
>>318457706
I loved how they showed up in Superstar Saga as boss fights. That needs to happen more often in the RPG's.
Why'd they work for Bowletta anyways? Didn't they have questions about daddy growing boobs?
>>318481724
I have a feeling they rushed it.
>>318480647
Are emulator's sound and visuals for N64 still that fucked up?
>>318481280
>>318480768
>TTYDfags
>Meleefags
>Sunshinefags
>Double Dash fags
>Wind Waker fags
>Primefags
>Colosseumfags/XDfags
>>318476982
>Big/King Bob-omb is apparently a boss in that world
Maybe it's a throwback to the fort area in TTYD with the Bob-ombs?
Have the boss battles been leaked? Final boss?
>>318482346
>Final boss?
Anon you already know who it is.
>>318482346
Three copies of Bowser's head and hands stacked on top of each other
>>318476982
>Paper Kamek goes to bother M&L Wiggler
That's a nice touch there
I wonder if he tries to separate his parts like he did Paper Wiggler
I remember that part in Sticker Star being really fucking painful
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4JS5Ak7ZplY
>>318455430
I think they don't want to invoke Miyamoto's wrath like IS did with pre-shit Sticker Star.
Miyamoto hates change, he's probably autistic or something.
>>318482834
wat
>>318482346
3D Bowser combines with 2D Bowser to become the unstoppable Double Bowser.
Eurofag with a copy of the game hereMizter Blizzard from Sticker Star comes back but isn't a boss, he's a total bro that helps you fight Iggy in the snow area
>>318482346
>>318483078
Bowser is wearing Sticker Star Crown
And, as predicted, is using the games paper clone copy ability
He looks ghostly though, something else might have happened
>>318483382
I'm starting to think this game was an apology for Sticker Star.
>>318483382
Timestamp
>>318455596
Same here mate
>shitty games
>amiibo shit
>that awful NEW formula in the mario games
they just don't give a fuck anymore.
Paper mario is dead, M&L is dead(SSS was the only good one and you fucking know it deep down). Some IPs you just have to let go of, and just fucking hope that one day a dream announcement happens.
Just take solace in the fact new IPs that are good can happen, like splatoon which is fucking amazing. Doesn't quell other games not coming out or anything above rated E getting butchered in america, but it shows that good new games can still happen.
Want some false hope? Cloud is in smash, square and nintendo look really fucking friendly with each other right now, especially on 3DS. They have accidently said some shit about dragon quest on NX, whether or not that is true, they are getting along with square and more than likely have a dev kit right now. IF they do want to do another mario rpg to wow people and get some hype for the NX, there really isn't much stopping them. Probably not likely but if there was ever going to be another one it is looking like it would be the NX.
>>318483526
I thought that since day one. They probably put it upon themselves to use entirely Sticker Star assets and make a proper RPG with them. If actually the case I can commend them for it.
>>318483628
>locked contentoon
>good
keep eating that nintenchode kid
>>318459630
>>318458869
>HAY GUISE NOSTALGIA BITE PLS BUY U GAME
fuck off , that looks generic as fuck. I remember when Mario/Luigui had their own crazy artstyle. And not just another NEW formula.
>>318483995
preach it brother
>>318477914
>posting this pasta again
nice try miyamoto
>>318483803
Splatoon is really, really good. Whether or not you agree with how they have drip fed content, the actual game is phenomenal(though not flawless). I don't think I would have said SSS is the only good M&L or mention censorship on anything over rated E if I had miyamoto's disgusting cock on my eyelids.
>>318469981
Anon... don't do this to me
>>318455596
Honestly this. The game looks decent but I cant even buy the games in good conscious with all with the censorship they been doing
>>318484568
Look at that new enemy that wasn't used before Mario and Luigi.
>>318464950
>It still got an 8
Haven't you heard?
Since it's a Nintendo game, that means it the worst shit that has ever existed on this planet.
we got clean music now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT1ysuW9HJs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbfq7yCoFgw
>>318470517
They can't even hope to top the Dark Bowser x Dark Star x Fawful combo in BiS
>>318486076
Pretty good.
>>318457706
Since they're not Bowsers kids, does this also mean they aren't siblings anymore too? Are they even kids? They're about as big as most other koopa monsters, so maybe they are fully grown.
>>318457706
It's a Hitler Youth kind of thing. I don't mind it.
>>318486775
The real question is if Wendy Koopa is legal?
>>318458884
So it comes with bonus stuff and unlockables, all unlocked via gameplay and not paying money?
>>318468005
>FF Explorers is shit
No, please don't say that. I was actually pretty excited for that. What's wrong with it?
>>318486076
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmfj5pP7T2g
This callback is more pronounced than the battle themes from the previous M&L games. It's amazing that they're still keeping the tradition going strong.
>>318477405
They could have been friends, but they threw the Kooplings in the shitter just to make room for him.
I wouldn't have minded him just being the favorite or whatever, but come on.
>>318460020
>this isn’t a particularly hard game
oh man
That's the reason why I never finished Dream Team Bros
>>318488898
But Dream Team was easily the hardest Mario and Luigi game. Superstar Saga was filled to the brim with OP gear, Partners in Time was just tedious, and Bowser's Inside Story was a cakewalk.
>>318480570
You're right, we're going to get great NX titles like Amiibo Party NX and NX Sports with content locked behind Amiibos
>>318488996
then I just got too good for these games
After over 20 hours I never once lost a fight
It was boring as fuck
>>318488898
Dream Team is the most challenging game in the series, though, and on Hard mode nothing even comes close. Maybe you're just good at the gameplay now. That's what happens when you practice games.It's why people think Mario games have gotten easier over the years. They've just gotten better at them.
>>318488454
Well it is the same composer.Yoko is the goddess of music. She is literally a cute Japanese Muse.
>>318490007
I wish hard mode was unlocked at the beginning
>>318490256
Me, too.
>>318490007
Dream Team is the one time in all of the Mario RPG's where I didn't beat the optional super bosses. I need to remedy that someday soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQjblSykSws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtSCpj4VmrI
I hope this OST compares. Dream Team was maximum comfy.
>>318461745
boy have I got the game for you
So is there any world design in this game?
Up until now I have only seen grassland and castles.
>>318493505
It's the basic stuff
>>318491692
>the stupid head weed is used instead of the Mr. L persona coming back
Of course it's shit, it's the worst Mario and Luigi game combined with portions of the worst Paper Mario game.
>>318455430
thats cool but wheres the rom
it comes out in 2 days
>>318493854
>worst aspects of both series
Backtracking and tutorials?
I hate how they dare use the corpse of Paper Mario after executives decided to give Paper Mario this new Paper card gameplay and abandoned everything about feels and broish adventures that the series is once been known for. People do know exactly what is wrong with the new Paper Mario and know how to correct this but still insist that "the wheel is already turning, there is no stopping" and "we want the new audience to know the new Paper Mario" - bringing the series down to the rank of niche spin-offs.
>>318493505
there's an underground prison cave in the desert and that's pretty much it
>>318495828
>there's an underground prison cave in the desert
Seriously? They had the same thing in PiT with a Petey boss fight.
>>318495907
Nobody remembers shit about that level man. I forgot that there even was a cave there until a few weeks ago when I replayed the game.
That whole part of the game felt really disjointed and weak actually, you do some lame, easy puzzle in the desert, then do basically nothing in the colosseum
>>318496195
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePGeSXPl48k
I liked the music in that place. It's a shame it turned into an underground cave.
>>318496195
Shit man, PiT is my favorite M&L game due to the amazing world design and music.
Especially the music in that area was awesome. Isn't the desert track in smash bros or something?
>>318496678
It was in Brawl. Remixed by Shimomura herself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RirNd2nhoJw
Unfortunately Try Try Again didn't turn out as nicely as this remix.
It's not in Smash 4 though. There's probably not any fitting stages for it. If they released Mushroomy Kingdom on the Wii U it would probably be there.
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