What's the best cRPG and why is it Arcanum
Best ost.
Best atmosphere.
Best quests.
Best setting.
Gameplay is mediocre but that's how it is in all cRPG's.
If that is the best they could do it is no wonder they went out of business.
atmosphere was pretty good but combat was kind of shit and so were the crafting mechanics
>>318428598
maybe not the best but certainly top tier
>>318428598
epic game, remember borrowing cd to a friend, he later told me it exploded in cd rom
I actually love the combat in crpgs and I'm not entirely sure why
the best villain ever or what
>>318430390
Because they have a lot of mechanics behind them? Because turn based and real time with pause works well with small-scale battles? There's a lot of build variety and weapons et cetera?
Like, what's wrong with that? I enjoy a lot of cRPGs for the combat. They're comfy since I can take my time and the number of combatants is limited.
>>318430250
top kek
I miss stuff like this
>>318428598
>Gameplay is mediocre but that's how it is in all cRPG's.
Div:OS, Age of Decadence and Temple of Elemental Evil say hi.
>>318430652
nah, he felt incredibly disconnected from the rest of the world even if there was some foreshadowing
its like the game got an entirely new plot in the last dungeon, felt highly jarring
It was broken as fuck although it had a lot of soul and possibly one of small ammount of games that fucking nailed steampunk. Definetely up there with the best of it's era.
My personal favorite will always be either Fallout 2 or Shadows of Amn, two nearly perfect games. I'll never forgive myself for letting some random fuck kill Jaheira with a curse on my first playthrough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i38_6oNPE24
>>318432094
those games have mediocre gameplay, Arcanum's gameplay is downright bad
>>318428598
Who's on the cover?
>>318432496
For something to be mediocre, there has to be something good to compare it to. Go on, describe your good gameplay.
>we'll never get that journey to the center of the earth inspired sequel
feels bad man
>>318433068
there's a wide variety of genres that do tend to have good gameplay simply because gameplay is by far the most important aspect of those games
something that is not exactly true for rpg's
take something like the platformer genre, you're likely to find actual good gameplay among them because quite simply a game in that genre with merely mediocre gameplay simply does not sell
>>318433360
How can you seriously compare turn based combat to the platformer? That's like comparing tomatoes to anime.
>>318432402
>nah, he felt incredibly disconnected from the rest of the world
no shit, he spent eternity in the void
>>318433360
So you're saying that the only way to make a CRPG with good gameplay is to make it a platformer, gotcha. Blanket statements like they all have mediocre gameplay when there's no definition of good gameplay is silly.
>>318433618
alright want to talk about actual good turn based gameplay, give the roguelike genre a try
and no I'm not talking about the roguelites of late, but actual roguelikes which fully utilize the fact that turn based combat can give you an amazing amount of options per turn and turn the fact that turns have pause times from a player advantage into a necessity
>>318433701
he felt like a jrpg boss popping out of nowhere
>>318433879
>roguelikes
>good gameplay
now i know you're baiting, i feel bad for falling for it.
>>318428598
I just can't get into. I recently ran through BG 1& 2, Ice wind dale 1 & 2 and planescape torment. But for some reason I just can't get into Arcanum
>>318434263
don't play mage.
>>318434032
hes nothing like any JRPG boss but that was the point
>>318434103
actual roguelikes are pretty much how turn based gameplay SHOULD be done
the games you mentioned have a severe lack of choices compared to them, and availability of choices is pretty much the only quality turn based combat has this day and age
but if you want to stick to a game where you press one of 10 buttons every turn, 3 of which are actually relevant, be my guest
>>318428598
I really liked that game but never finished it.
Just completed a couple sidequest.
The steampunk city was fun to explore.
And there was a spell for anything.
>>318434534
>little connection to the rest of the story
>semi-deep speech
>turns into a monster for "reasons"
>basically a giant health sponge
he was as jrpg as they get
>>318434504
Man, I want to get more into this but the game is so god damn cryptic and everything kills me.
>>318428598
BestOGRE ISLAND
>>318428598
It's shit
For some reason my character can 2 hit ko ANYTHING while my dwarf and that other faggot who follows you from the start are absolutely USELESS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq_6ObzUzog
>>318434865
Just create a full party and have 3 attacking a nd 2 permahealing
Or recruit every person you can, by the hour you should have a full party and then swap them when you find better fags
>>318434946
get some points in blacksmithing, toss some pyrotechnic axes at your follower's inventories: congrats they are now killing machines
>>318434842
yeah let me know when you can join Sephiroth, or convince him to commit suicide without any fighting
and JRPG antagonists are most of the time known for the whole game, it's their true form that's supposed to be a surprise
>>318435118
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ62O51ia64
Soothes my soul.
>>318435190
Nah I hit max level if I remember correctly
I kinda stopped playing in the wizards town trying to get something to get to the underground or whatever
>>318435408
the underground is imho one of the best parts of the game
that said, the game is piss easy, you don't need followers to finish the game
![LPA08-02[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nEc4Pqv.jpg "LPA08-02[1].jpg")
Fuck the mines but everything else is absolute bliss.
>tfw talking to that reporter dude changes newspapers and citizens sometimes give you a few coins out of sympathy
>>318435146
I'll give it a try, thanks.
>>318435553
>Get to last boss
>it's a plot point powerful mages erect some barrier that makes them invincible when they're hurt badly
>ignore the plot device shit and just keep shooting the nigger with dorch's warbringer
>he dies
kek
What were these niggas even thinking inventing some complicated spiky ball rape shit when they had blueprints for a gun that kills stuff just as fine and isn't useless against other targets?
>>318435764
newspapers were awesome
>enter tarant first time
>see paperboy
>buy newspaper, story about some scientist trying to combine magic and tech
>next day
>extra extra: renowned scientist dies
was a neat way to add some more information about the world
>>318435146
Or just create a pure time mage and stack haste effects on the dog and play in real time. Shit would be dead before you even realize that combat has started.
>>318435954
damn that gun was awesome
though I do remember mostly using the tesla gun for style purposes and it dealing about the same damage
I really miss how Black Isle and others actually did some legit worldbuilding in their games. I wonder if current Bethesda or Bioware writers can talk their universes like Chris did on Fallout Bible without pulling shit out of their ass.
>>318436017
Those newspapers you'd find in the ancient ruins about the scientist who tried to build a primitive submarine were even better.
>Scientific Academy discourages Pr. Something to attempt diving in his contraption
>Pr Something's attempt is staged for next week!
>Pr Something's diving attempt turned awry, his machine nowhere to found
>Pr Something now legally dead
>>318428598
>make a stun mage
>horde staffs to use as mana batteries
>back stabs all day
>>318436235
>Bethesda
honestly I think they do, TES lore in the mainline games has not been doing all that badly
sure they're dropping the ball on Fallout but I don't think that's necessarily true for everything
>>318428598
>Gameplay is mediocre but that's how it is in all cRPG's.
wtf you talking about you stupid fucking retard, fuck off
anyway baldurs gate 2 pretty much have all these things + superior combat
>>318436260
best part is you actually do find his submarine ingame WAY before you even know about the existence of those ruins
>>318436540
what
>>318436530
BG's worldbuilding is worse simply because its set in the forgotten realms universe and actually acknowledges the existence of several lore characters
and lets be fair here BG2's gamplay is only marginally better
Tried to play it but moving around is terrible. The waypoint system gives errors if you click even remotely far away and the combat is just terrible. I tried to like it but it just felt like shitting down a straw, so slow
>>318436260
>submarine in middle of the fucking desert with spider whores every where
Best story developement, delivery and choices in any copy absolute fucking masterpiece
>>318436709
>submarine in the middle of the desert
Weirder things have happened in real life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosquer_Cave
>>318436576
on the Isle of Despair, you get a quest from one of them to go scavenge on a beach
the parts you need to scavenge are scattered around a large jules verne inspired submarine
Inside of it you also find ancient looking blueprints for a strange type of gun
>>318428598
Divinity: Original Sin.
Best gameplay in any WRPG ever.
>>318436682
BG2 is fucking massive though.
![preview_04[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/ir3t0Cn.jpg "preview_04[1].png")
>>318436880
If you're talking about this, I thought it was a flying machine..
>>318435408
Couldn't solve the riddle of Pelojians as pool, scrub
>>318436934
Better gameplay than Arcanum but arguably worse in every other aspect, unfortunately.
>>318428598
agreed.
best game ever in terms of pure roleplaying. Troika was GOAT
>>318437068
I'd say its a submarine, those "wings" are fins and that segmented tail seems very fish like
Among the best soundtracks, interesting leveling system, very meh everything else. The whole game makes me want to take a nap.
>>318436973
Arcanum is pretty large as well
and quite a few areas in BG2 are fairly generic
>>318437235
Yeah, it looks much more like a fish now that I take a closer look. I never did the connection but that's neat.
>>318437327
shame Tech is disappointing early on and only really gets going midgame
spending a point to make a slightly better light or an ore you can find for free after solving a quest kinda sucks
>Get harm and summon ogre
>steam roll game
nice game
>>318437068
>playing as a slut with 2 half ogre, one orc and a dog as followers
>>318437613
>Play game
>Beat it
lol nice game
The sort of game where you need to finish with a handful of very different characters to see just how a real rpg is supposed to be tailored for role-playing
>>318437613
>slut
Were I in my Manor of Tarant, I'd have you flogged for calling Miss Charlotte a harlot. She's a very well educated noble woman and heir to the house of Wellford, intimate to the ways of natural philosophy and ancient languages of Arcanum.
>Make a very elaborate and in-depth comparative analysis of Arcanum called "Why you should give Arcanum a playthrough"
>Edit it out
>Sony Vegas never stop rendering despite the bar hitting 100%
>Can't get the final file out
I'm sorry.
its surprisingly fun to play a racist character in this game
especially when most of it is directed at orcs, half orcs and anything resembling a union
Calling Arcanum's gameplay mediocre is incredibly generous.
>>318438691
If by game play you mean combat... Kids these days
Still wrong anyway
Which class is fun to play? I tried a wizard. It was interesting but reapplying buffs gets annoying after a while.
>>318439459
Going full tech is the most fun one.
>>318437172
That doesn't really bother me, also D:OS had a stellar soundtrack while Arcanum... didn't.
>>318439459
Charismatic dude with a lot of followers, summoner, techie who builds robotic friends since he cannot make normal ones (get the idiot savant background)
>>318439724
if you go full tech be prepared to travel around the world A LOT looking for the right parts
especially when building high end items such as automatons
>>318439787
>D:OS had a stellar soundtrack while Arcanum... didn't.
>>318439459
I mean, playing as wizard and nice and all but it's too fucking overpowered. Although who gives a fuck, the combat is totally broken and easymode once you learn a couple of tricks.
>>318439789
That sounds tempting. As a summoner, does the minions stay relevantly strong enough in the end game?
>>318439984
They certainly do. Be careful because it consumes mana to keep them up and running so don't run out of fatigue. The last spell in the summoning tree is a permanent familiar. Also get dogmeat because he's insanely overpowered.
>>318440116
Perfect. That sounds neat.
Do the mechanical companions stay permanently too?
>>318440232
They do. You can pack them up and store them in your backpack or they follow you around unless they're destroyed.
>>318440116
to be fair though if you want the REAL minion master experience go mechanics/blacksmithing tech
there is no limit on the amount of tech minions you can have running around at the same time and they actually have quite a bit of variety: medical arachnids are BY FAR the best healers in the game and automatons are nifty little bruisers though a bit expensive to make
and best thing is tech minions actually level up
>>318440415
Really? Darn.
How much dumpster diving do I have to do to get to that point?
>>318439073
Arcanum has a neat story and garbage gameplay mechanics. Tech is severely flawed and the combat, of which there is a fair bit, is straight up awful.
And I'm pretty sure I'm the oldest person posting here, FWIW.
>>318440415
>Getting a mechanized arachnid from that sewer in Tarant
>>318440519
regular mechanical arachnids are incredibly easy to spam and don't require any complicated parts
poison arachnids are just as easy though they do require you to actually find the god damned schematic which can be a PITA depending on your luck
medical arachnids require an odd selection of skills and some dumpster diving to create
automatons are fantastic but require a LOT of dumpster diving, mostly to get miniature steam engines which aside from being rare are also extremely heavy and pretty expensive
on the plus side there's no limits to how many you can build and an automaton is basically equal in terms of strength to most melee companions
>sequel never ever
fucking kill me
also, main theme is the best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftvpi-6Z6qw
>>318440991
I wouldn't even mind if an arcanum sequel was 3D game, world is interesting and the combat was garbage anyways so nothing a 3D transition could actually screw up
>>318440991
If they get a group that respects and understands the universe well they could bang out some amazing games
>>318441121
>>318441191
If it gets voice acting for more than main quest NPCs, the game would be dead in its tracks.
>>318431538
Yes, but considering I can't fucking stand turn based JRPGs I don't understand why crpgs are so much more compelling. I guess it's because you've got a sense of placement and there's an extra layer of depth involving movement and positioning.
>>318428598
Oh shit I remember this game to well, I was too young to understand the meaning of it but now all makes sense
>the gnomes are a physically weak but very intelligent race, specialise in trade and commerce, are cosmopolitans, and love banking (rings a bell??)
>the gnomes actually have formed a political cabal who dominates politics in the game
>the gnomes conspire to kidnap every white women, preferably the wifes of their political opponents
>give these women to the orcs to rape
>gnomes proceed to breed the half niggers and use them as bodyguards
>you discover this during the quest, and discover the orcs-white women breeding grounds
>you can't do anything about it
>the gnomes constantly taunt you about the conspiracy (who will believe you goyim?)
>???
>ARCANUM YES!
they tried to warn us at least
>>318430250
I wish I could stand doing a dumb run. It always sounds hilarious, but then I instantly get sick of all the NPCs blowing me off as a moron.
>>318442176
Yes if it goes bethesda it will be fucked. But the setting is pretty amazing so if an interest group picks it themselves I dont see how they would ruin this chance to bring it back. The world is full of conflicts which you can easily recognise in our own world. (mages being ludites who are afraid of losing what they have, everyone riding the industry wave because it is easier, elves declining)
>>318442191
mainly because most tb jrpg has nothing but filler combat next to filler combat
>>318428598
I was 14 when it came out and it was one of my first games. With no internet it was fucking hard trying to master it.
Fuck I'm old
>>318432496
Spot the guy who played with turnbased combat on.
>>318445950
Making it real time makes it even worse.
>>318446087
>this is what falloutfags actually believe
>>318446087
but thats wrong
>>318437068
I definitely always interpreted that as a fish.
What mods would you guys recommend?
Is Arcanum the only game where streets in cities have street signs and houses have numbers? I can't think of another game where people give you an address when you need to go somewhere.
>>318428598
That is not Fallout.
>>318443163
>>you discover this during the quest, and discover the orcs-white women breeding grounds
what
>>318439459
Low-INT half-ogre who specializes in melee and throwing.
>>318440415
>>318440372
>>318440519
But you do need tons of strength (and inventory space) to carry around all that shit, which can be counter-intuitive for a tech-based character.
>>318447195
>He didn't go to Rape Island
>>318447003
Morrowind
>>318447907
Please spoonfeed me, how do I go there?
>>318447907
>he fell for it
They literally say it was just to spread that conspiracy theory.
>>318447990
I believe the quest starts in Caladon.
>>318448213
http://mikesrpgcenter.com/arcanum/sidequests3.html
Can't find anything about it there.
>>318434504
Explain this game
>>318448393
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfnXhT5L0vs
>>318448386
This one
12 - Arthur Tyron's Residence
Apparently it actually starts in Tarant.
>Tyron is the next stop in the quest started by Matt de Cesare in Tarant. When you tell Tyron that de Cesare sent you, and when you give him the skulls of the Ren'ar Siamese twins (worth 3100 experience), he'll tell you that gnomes are kidnapping human women and forcing them to breed with ogres, all to create half-ogres for gnomes to use as bodyguards. He'll then ask you to go to Half-ogre Island and find proof of these breeding experiments.
>go 100% tech
>full-on steampunk knight
>motherfucking pyrotechnic axe
>every mage gives me shit cause they know they can't touch this
I keep thinking about doing an evil magic run but I never really got around to it. Do you just have to buy a million stamina potions as a mage since you can't rest in dungeons, or what?
>>318449630
>Do you just have to buy a million stamina potions as a mage since you can't rest in dungeons, or what?
Only necessary for the wheel clan shit. Anything else is fine.
I've never played Arcanum, but I've always really hated that big stupid granny face on the boxart.
God fucking damn is it ugly.
But really though, how is the gameplay? Similar to the Infinity Engine 2E games?
What is it that you want of me?
>>318449894
>But really though, how is the gameplay? Similar to the Infinity Engine 2E games?
Pretty much. Not nearly as stiff or overwhelming UI but yeah.
>>318449630
I can't recall ever having major issues with it.
>>318450239
That'll show those Bastards how to uuuuuuuhh-I mean... Good hit, sir!
Hey, can I play as an elf technologist or will I be too handicapped?
>>318442191
I'm the opposite, I like JRPG combat but can't stand WRPG combat. It's a shame because I like just about everything else about Arcanum, but the combat feels like horseshit.
>>318446329
>>318446253
>>318445950
What the fuck am I reading
Real-time is awful. Turn based at least makes it so it doesn't look like a silent movie and so that you actually have time to react and strategize.
>>318450659
Or you can just not being a dumbass and react and strategize on the fly.
>>318450659
are you really that bad at video games?
>>318450759
>>318450795
This has to be shitposting
Nobody in the history of the world has actually considered real-time in Arcanum superior to turn-based. What the fuck.
>>318438335
Send the file to a friend and try?
I miss going on grand adventures in games. You explored a detailed and well developed world in Arcanum. You just don't do that kind of stuff in games anymore.
>>318450902
Its actually impossible to choose new spells and click enemies that fast. Anybody who played real time was a melee babby or something similar.
>>318450902
People who played Arcanum first didn't realize there was any other way to do it, and if they eventually found out you could switch to turn-based, they realized there was no point, since it just needlessly slowed things down.
People who were vets of other cRPG's were used to turn-based combat and were immediately turned off by the real-time combat of Arcanum. As soon as they realized they could, they switched to turn-based so that it would be more like the game they were used to.
>>318451351
>there are people who don't look at the options first thing when they play a new game
>>318450902
>waste my turn running up and get 1 hit
>same with virgil but he misses
>lose 85% of my health due to harm spell or possibly even die
wow real strategic
>>318451427
Again, why would you flip a switch to make the game worse? The only reason why people use turn-based is because they've become accustomed to that crutch.
>>318451520
>calls me bad at video games when he's THIS bad at video games
>high fantasy
>>318448534
>>318434504
The art style is unfortunate
>>318451520
>run up
Why even complain about turn based when you are playing a melee character?
>>318451797
>Arcanum
>high fantasy
great post
>>318451926
it has magic and orcs...sucking cocks is less gay.
>>318451672
>implying i havn't beaten Arcanum at least 10 times while switching between turn-based and free combat
free combat is just better
>>318451797
>high fantasy
It's a good game but hardly the best at anything.
>Try to play the new cRPGs
>All these bugs
My computer being a potato doesn't help. Anyway, can you play as monk in D:OS?
>>318452398
>imblying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS724xs1UTk
>>318451278
They're called haste spells. You can stack the fucking things. Put them on the dog and he'll clear the screen before you even realize you're in combat. Turn based is for faggots that can't abuse the system to bypass the worst part of the game.
>>318452230
>high fantasy
DUDE WEED LMAO
>>318452493
You're potato won't be able to handle it. That shit is actually pretty demanding cause of all interactions. Age of Decadence runs on toasters so you might try that.
>>318452892
>Age of Decadence runs on toasters so you might try that.
Any tips for the game?
>>318452763
>thigh fantasy
>>318436116
There's a dog companion in Serpent in the Staglands?
Why don't modern RPGs have special dialogue for low INT characters?
>>318454738
Tbh, me and my friend have been doing a low int playthrough together, and its the funniest thing we've done in a while. Every time there is a character interaction, we bust out laughing, and combat is piss easy with a 24 strength ogre.
>>318439787
Kill yourself, senpai.
>>318454738
Fallout New Vegas is the latest one to have it iirc.
>why
It takes work and creativity, you have to re imagine several dialogue options and rewrite a bunch of stuff.
>>318454738
>Ok John you need to write more text for low INT chars
>What does low INT change?
>Absolutely every dialogue
Compare to say, high perception chars, which at most get 2 new options in a given dialogue.
>>318454738
Voice acting
>>318454738
Why the fuck can't other devs do low int dialogue choices like this? Why is it that games related to the Fallout original devs only do this? Really disappointing that we don't see this more often, as it's an easy way to add replay value
>>318455258
But the idiot is usually the player character, who tends to have no voice.
>>318455191
NV has low INT dialogue? Huh.
>>318455394
But now the main character does.
>>318428598
Do I get a lot of control over my party in this game?
this game has the best dungeons of any video game, prove me wrong
>>318453603
Start as either a pure talker or a pure fighter, going hybrid without understanding the game is a guarantee that you'll get wrecked. Actually you'll still get wrecked. You just have to understand that it doesn't run on typical cRPG logic, you're nobody special, you die just as easily as pretty much any other character in the setting. Can't grind either, every source of skill point is hand placed.
>>318456047
That box art is beautiful
>>318456251
heres the full version if you want
>>318455352
>easy
rewriting every piece of dialogue choice/quest info and different branches to quests is probably way more work than it's worth
I'm terribly bored just thinking about having that job
>>318456889
I should play this
>>318456047
Great game, but i'd say Chaos Strikes Back is at least on par
>>318456047
Kill me
>>318457246
tomb of varn was worse t.bh
>>318432416
> letting some random fuck kill Jaheira with a curse on my first playthrough.
Do you mean vamp thing?
Because you can cure that.
>>318454362
He's talking about arcanum
>>318456956
Half of them are just "Ooga booga" "Fuck off retard". Only a few dialogue trees are actually significantly different and the same length as the original.
>>318457753
Oh. Well tell him the people he's replying to are talking about SitS then.
>>318459384
Will do
>>318436116
Hey man, they were talking about SitS. Faggot
>tfw playing as a half-orc
>get shit on and randomly attacked all the time
Half-ogres aren't as badly for whatever reason. I guess they're more like retards who are pitied.
>>318459704
Aren't Half-Orcs usually the result of an orc raping a human female? Might have something to do with it.
>>318460675
You can't rape the willing.
>ancient evil has awakened
>you are the chosen one
This is the storyline of this game.
Dropped it faster than a hot potato.
>>318463228
Here's your reply
>>318430250
>Nafroodinski
I've tried to get into this game so many times, but I always lose interest after a couple of hours.
>>318463228
>he doesnt know
>>318438335
You have to finish this at any cost. The world deserves to know.
