I've noticed that the release of fallout 4 seems to have retroactively changed everyone's opinions on New Vegas. Whether this is a coincidence or not, I'd like to know what NV got right that Fallout 3&4 didn't in your eyes.
Well the ability to roleplay and have my stats and skills offer options in quests and dialogue is the main thing.
I always liked FO3 more than NV
I don't think FO4 is a better game that either of them. It feels like a lazy, lazy release from bethesda, which is not something that I could've said for Skyrim after FO3 or Oblivion
>>318398169
It gives the player more freedom to be a dick in more ways than just being either God or concentrated Hitler
>>318398169
Using Van Buren assets made it much more interesting than generic FO3. Legion didn't get enough love, through, and I liked Hanged Man's concept way more in VB
>>318398169
My opinion on NV has always been the same, it's the best game in the series easily with the best balance between gameplay, rpg and story elements
/v/ always preferred NV to F3. The only people who disagree are fucking retards or trolls.
The awful quests, dialogue, and world building in Fallout 4 really makes you appreciate how well these things are done in New Vegas (If you hadn't already)
>>318398975
The gook can add this dick to her ass if you know what I'm saying tbqhfam
I always liked NV, it improved on what FO3 had in a lot of waysand fumbled in some waysand was actually consistent with the first two games with its story and world building.
>>318398169
So you all seem to be having a terrific time with "Fallout 4" and I find that hilarious. Because you could be having an even better time withe a game that came out 15 years ago: Majora's Mask. Not only can you do everything that you can do in Fallout 4 EVEN BETTER, but you can wear transformation masks as well. How could a reasonably intelligent person possibly delude themselves to such a level of Fallout fanboyism?
It has a competent storyline, dialogue is interesting and influenced by many different skills, increased selection of weaponry and editing of this weaponry, better perk system with more interesting perks, great DLC(blows the fuck out of FO3 DLC, as good as Point Lookout is), different atmosphere, great radio, decent factions system that is influenced by quests and actions around the world, more memorable characters than fallout 3, great choice of companions each with pretty good questlines.
Pretty much a bit more in the direction of the original Fallout games in terms of RPG elements, combat is unchanged, and in my opinion pretty much everything else is a bonus. The only thing Fallout 3 has that rivals New Vegas is the atmosphere created. New Vegas feels like a post apocalyptic dark western movie with a reasonable amount of humour, usually in the weird events that unfold around your character. Fallout 3 kind of retains its depressing grey world-has-ended atmosphere the whole way through, with Bethesdas humour expressed through various easter eggs and the occasional reference.
Honestly, if you're playing on PC, both are comparable as you can mod either one to absolute fuck.
>>318398975
So if you don't agree with the general consensus of /v you're wrong? Let's form our own opinions people.
@318399146
Bait so bad it doesn't dignify an actual reply.
>>318399273
>tfw "@" symbol
>tfw actual reply
Go home reddit
>>318398169
Being a fallout game.
>>318399212
Mah nigga
>>318399348
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>>318398169
NV was a good rpg but was boring. People forget that it was boring and instead praise it for being a good RPG. They are just cherrypicking positive qualities.
>>318399554
dude I'm not new I've been browsing regularly since July.
>>318399250
>So if you don't agree with the general consensus of /v you're wrong?
If you prefer Vanilla M&B to Warband, you're retarded.
If you prefer Fallout 3 to Fallout NV, you're retarded.
If you prefer Chrono Cross to Chrono Trigger, you're retarded.
If you prefer Dragon Quarter to BoF 3, you're retarded.
If you prefer EA:Battlefront to Battlefront 1&2, you're retarded.
There's no room for bad taste.
>>318399729
>>318399729
8/8 B8, M8
>>318399608
if its a good rpg yet boring then the problem is that you dont like rpgs and shouldnt be playing them
>>318399729
What kind of degenerate sub-human neanderthal bicycle helmet wearing shit eating chest beating hairy pitted ooga booga shouting motherfucking profligate prefers Vanilla M&B to Warband.
Give me his name.
Still one of my favorite RPGs of all time.
It was made by bethesda
The factions explain themselves completely and have motivations that don't make you question their sanity.
The Mojave BOS is in fear following years of loss. The leader is wary and his initial efforts to gather information failed, entrenching his isolationist feelings.
House wants to preserve and develop vegas then facilitate trade/industry/supply. Space stuff is...I'll have to read his dialogue again.
The NCR is a mature, bloated, democracy consumed by it's business interests and a desire for territory. Overall a good thing, a lot of grunts who just want to do the right thing, but politics and ambition cripples it at times.
Legion is led by a man who want's to beat the wasteland into submission and rule as it's dictator.
Yes Man is your own motivations.
>>318398169
It's an actual Fallout game.
>>318398169
Because it's a Fallout game. Because it's more down to earth. Because it's a post-post-apocalyptic game instead of Bethesdas shit that looks like the bombs hit yesterday.
>>318398169
honestly, ive tried to play every fallout (and TES) game since the original, and FO4 is thus far the only one that has seemed even remotely playable to me.
>>318399729
I liked Chrono Cross more than Chrono Trigger.
Fight me faggot.
>>318400250
>not enjoying FO 1 & 2
I guess you just hate actual video games then.
>>318400241
Please describe to me in great detail what you mean by new Vegas being down to earth
>>318400250
Sounds like you just don't like rpgs.
>>318398975
>Maths
britkeks lmao
>>318398362
> Ability to role-play
I can't play as an ultra-charismatic car salesman who completes objectives by selling bullets to the enemies and convincing them to kill themselves in NV, yet I can in Fallout 4.
>>318400413
You're not a 19 year old child that grew up in a vault that disarms a nuclear bomb as soon as you leave said vault. You don't spend the next hour listening to a DJ telling you how amazing you are for disarming the bomb even though you just ate one mentats box and had no prior training with explosives.
So yes, it's a lot more down to earth in my opinion.
>>318398169
>I've noticed that the release of fallout 4 seems to have retroactively changed everyone's opinions on New Vegas
no it didnt 3 and 4 are better
you fucking Obsidianiggers
>>318398169
Nothing.
I used to like New Vegas, put the more and more threads I see dedicated to sucking its dick and defending everything in it (no matter how uninspired or lazy) is making me like it considerably less.
>>318398169
Nothing to truly care about. When you are presented the choice ti kill the guy who shot you in NV, he also gave you the choice to here his side of the story. This gave you a bit of care, bit of anger cause he shot you, a chance to kill him and give the chip to House, or go full Chaotic Evil and cleanse this world with Caesar as your witness. Just from that one point, the story could end in many ways and effected the world.
FO4 basically gives you a shitty story and fetch quests to beat a game that you barely have time to get immersed in. And the lines suck. VA is almost never done right. Fuck Bethesda
>>318400754
>>318400359
I would never fight a retard
>>318400661
you can still teleport punch peoples heads clean off though
>>318400589
so funny that some people actually think like this. i know you were joking though
>>318400589
>ultra-charismatic car salesman
There are cars and you a dealership mod in NV.
You can work for the owner.
i would play fallout 3 alot more if i didnt need to install windows XP just to run it with some sort of stability
>>318399212
This is EXACTLY how I feel. Bethesda makes some damn good worlds but their stories are pretty lackluster .
>>318401027
>is unaware of VMWare
>NV is vastly better than FO3 meme
Don't get me wrong, I fully believe that NV is better than FO3, but so many people seem to think that NV is leagues above FO3 when it really isn't. Why is that?
>>318400860
player mechanic's realism does not equal sound narrative and story development
Although it sounds like he'd complain about a Vault Dweller who searches for a water chip and fixes a nuclear power plant. (that was in the first one, right?)
>>318400950
> muh mods
>>318400908
It's not like anything I said isn't true, but sure, go be sour.
>>318401093
>fallout 3 on vmware
thats gonna run GREAT isnt it?
>>318401175
You want to be a car salesman, I told you them game that let's you actually sell cars.
>>318401263
>probably uses a toaster for gaming
>>318401308
Why doesn't he just emulate a better machine than the one he has?
>>318401275
Yea and mods that have cars in them exist in Fallout 4 as well.
The important part is the fact that I convince enemies to stop shooting at me, have a look at my incredible prices, trade bullets with them and then give them a bonus if they try it out on their friends (no one dies from a few bullets anyway and this is a once in a lifetime opportunity).
>>318401308
>toaster
>implying this is a toaster
>implying VMWARE uses your GPU at all
i mean ya its not the greatest computer ever but this doesnt matter for shit in VMWARE
>>318400589
You can't sell bullets to raiders in 4. You can convince them to not fight you, not kill themselves. Nice embellishment though. I like it.
>>318401175
I'm still 90% sure you're joking but just in case
>ultra-charismatic car salesman
you can't sell cars though
>completes objectives by selling bullets to the enemies
you can't do that though
>convincing them to kill themselves
you unlock that when you're almost done with the game. it doesn't even make sense, and its completely random
fallout 4 actively prevents role-playing by generally limiting players to a 'kill everything' approach when doing quests, giving a detailed backstory, and fucking up the character building system. and the dialogue system is indefensible
>>318401583
Do you actually think that makes for a compelling role-playing game? None of that was realistic behavior, for your character or the raiders.
>people who keep saying MUH ATMOSPHERE in 3
>even though it makes absolutely no sense
>200 years after the war and there are no normal functioning cities
>no farms
>no really active caravans
>people still hoard shit on brahmin instead of hitching them to a cart that could be made easily
>>318401685
> Implying
I've sold mirelurk eggs to deathclaws.
>>318399729
>If you prefer Chrono Cross to Chrono Trigger, you're retarded.
unless we're strictly talking about soundtracks
>>318401124
Anything's better than searching for Liam Neeson and killing a super mutant behemoth with a NUCLEAR WARHEAD at level 4.
>>318402414
You really think being handed power armor and fighting a deathclaw with a minigun at level 2 is better?
>>318401016
>No (Yes)
Gets me every time.
Fallout 3 is a good post apocalyptic explorer game.
New Vegas is a good post-post apocalyptic RPG
Fallout 4 is a good FPS.
>Sit down and try to think of memorable quests in vanilla New Vegas.
>The only one I can remember is the vault with plant monsters
>Almost everything else was just passing skill checks in NPC dialogue.
Doesn't help that Cass and Ede are the only good companions in the game. Doesn't help that the game is rife with homosexual, Bioware tier pandering
>>318401016
That's very accurate, actually..
>>318401758
> you can't sell cars though
You can, with the help of mods. But even that's beside the point.
> you can't do that though
Yes you can, if you'd play Fallout 4 or even explored the perks on the wiki you'd know this.
> you unlock that when you're almost done with the game. it doesn't even make sense, and its completely random
Level 23 is hardly "almost done with the game", nor is it completely random.
>>318401969
> I don't like it so it doesn't count
herp derp
>>318402545
>Fallout 4 is a good FPS
seriously?
>>318402515
Considering I still didn't bother pirating FO4 I really wouldn't know.
I'll do it eventually just to see how they manage to explain perfect robots in the world of fallout where computers still run on vacuum tubes.Oh right they can't, all they can do is shit all over the original series just like FO3
>I've noticed that the release of fallout 4 seems to have retroactively changed everyone's opinions on New Vegas.
How so?
I still love NV and think it's far superior to 3 (and 4)
>>318402545
>Fallout 4 is a good FPS.
It's not though.
It makes an okay FPS/Hack & Slash hybrid like Borderlands though.
>>318402924
As in, it's not much of an RPG, the exploring isn't A-1, and there's not much else going for it. The shooting is the best in the series though, can't deny that.
I just liked using the brush gun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu2_vlpZlLo
>>318402881
>You can, with the help of mods
So you can't then. Why do you think that you can play as a car salesman? I really don't understand, do you think its funny to say stuff that just isn't true? And what car selling mod are even using?
>Yes you can, if you'd play Fallout 4 or even explored the perks on the wiki you'd know this
I played the game for 20 hours, never saw this. What perk is it and what 'objectives' can you even solve with that? 90% of the objectives are just 'go to place and kill the enemy'.
>Level 23 is hardly "almost done with the game", nor is it completely random.
You can't tell people to kill themselves at the second level of that perk, don't know about the 3rd level
>nor is it completely random
it is random whether it works or not. it also makes no sense for them to surrender because your character said 'hands up'.
Its not an rpg, stop shitposting
also,
>herp derp
are you 14?
>>318398975
>I'm a punk so I must be a rebel
isn't that the definition of the punk movement?
>>318400359
I've still yet to have such smug revelation as realizing since there were two worlds, there were two ultimate weapons for Glenn
And then motherfucker starts dual wielding
>>318403186
Yeah the shooting is the best in the series but it isn't a good fps.
>>318398169
It's the same fucking shit
If anyone is mad about Fallout 4, but hyping New Vegas, then clearly it's a case of "Mom won't let me have the PS4"
>retroactively
I don't know of any gaming forum on the internet that didn't praise NV's as an RPG since its release.
>>318404075
If you actually think that they are the same, you need to play more videogames
It's been pretty funny watching the public opinion on Fallout 3 (and Bethesda games in general) shift over the last few years of posting on /v/.
If I had to guess it's because of all the children who grew up playing Fallout 3 in their early teens finally being old enough to post on /v/.
>>318399729
>If you prefer Dragon Quarter to BoF 3, you're retarded.
But I like Dragon Quarter
>>318404075
>playing FO4 on PS4
That's the worst way to play an already bad game.
>>318399704
I've been here for 4 years kiddo. You aint seen nothing yet
>>318403867
Not entirely. If you asked folk like Henry Rollins, he'd argue the punk movement is more just letting out your angry side.
So, what are some good mods out so far for FO4?
>>318401583
>Yea and mods that have cars in them exist in Fallout 4 as well.
Nope. Not until 2016 and then a few months if someone work on it.post link if im wrong
>The important part is the fact that I convince enemies to stop shooting at me
The perk sucks though. I'd rather have animal friend make animals not fight all together instead of having to take a chance on maybe stopping them from attacking. A shotgun shell isn't much of a big deal for a saved perkslot.
>have a look at my incredible prices...
Rummaging through their inventory is the same as being a salesman?
A lot of NV's problems get retroactively blamed on Bethesda or the engine.
NV is a game with a cool setting and the makings of an interesting story. Yet it ultimately falls flat due to bland and unbalanced gameplay, boring characters and a central conflict that it's hard to give two shits about.
So far I care more about CURIE than I ever did for Cass or any of NV's companions, Lily excluded since a badass nightkin grandma was a great idea.
>>318404713
The one that lets you see how shit the dialog choices actually are.
>>318404840
So, what are some good mods out so far for FO4 that you can actually link me to?
>>318402881
> I don't like it so it doesn't count
so you cant read
>>318400661
No, but all your bitching about Fallout New Vegas' superior storyline goes down the toilet with the release of Lonesome Road.
I almost prefer having a set character whose history I actually played through rather than that bloated fuckheap.
It's not like everyone all of a sudden changed their minds or completely forgot their opinion on the game. It's just a case of the fans of the series Coming out and comparing it to FO4 and Bethesda in general.
Fallout 1 and 2 weren't actually that good.
>>318404713
The one that lets you sell cars apparently
>>318404908
Nude women, vault meat paintings/50s pin-ups, optimization mod, retextured chems, gunner harness with exposed titties, raider armor with exposed vagoo and tittys.
>>318405142
Opinion, but I agree. I'm not a big fan of them. To each their own.
>>318405242
>that you can actually link me to
Where are the links?
It has always been popular opinion that NV was a lot better than 3. It isn't retroactive in the least.
It is however a shit opinion, as they have the same key faults in the gameplay and visuals which make it absolutely no fun to play.
>>318405357
Nexus has a search function you lazy fuck
>>318402743
>homosexual, Bioware tier pandering
Don't forget "polyamorous" pandering with the Cass ending.
Fallout 4 suffers from too many "half measures".
They wanted a "more personal" story, so they added a fixed character for the player to use, but they were too afraid to go all out with it like Mass Effect/Witcher, so you end up with this weird mix of player choice and fixed storytelling that isn't particularly good at either.
Plus the game being played from the first person while the game constantly reminds you that you're controlling another character is a really strange oversight. When you play Mass Effect or Witcher it's very clear that you, the player, are a third person controlling the actions of Shepard or Geralt. When you play Fallout 4 you're seeing from the eyes of Nate/Nora, hearing their voice come out of your mouth, and it just doesn't work well.
>>318405242
>pointless clutter retextures that makes them stand out like a sore thumb in the rest of the low res world and tits
Bethesda game modding, everyone
>>318405454
She was never your girlfriend
>>318404607
9 Years, GTFO newfag
>>318405434
But millions of people do have fun with it
>>318405435
>asks for links
>doesn't post links
>look it up yourself
Good to see you don't have any mods to show me.
>>318403867
There are a lot of things in the punk ethos. Rebellion against the status quo, independence and survivalism (this is actually where the skinhead movement started), politics of every kind, anger, the movement for equality and justice, and so much more.
There are so many things in the punk ethos that you almost have to focus on smaller parts of it to get a clear image of those parts of punk. Remember that it's fourty years old now.
What is the trajectory for civilization in Fallout? 300 years after the events of Fallout 4, do you think the world will have entered a new golden age with humans peppering the planet again or will we have destroyed ourselves several times over, only to return from the vaults and try again?
>>318405538
>Bethesda game modding, everyone
*bethesda modding before the creation kit comes out. I left out a star mod and recolored pip-boy (institute).
When I start a fresh playthrough, I'll probably increase the spawn rate of legendaries and add darker nights.
>>318398169
>>318405724
That wasn't me. I didn't notice you wanted links.I'm not giving them to you.http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/top/?
>>318401027
You just need to change two lines in FALLOUT.ini and get TTW
>>318405826
There's also the mods that let you craft weapons and armour, add new settlement stuff and wear all clothing under armour.
>>318403867
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR646C8YDQw
>>318405804
Well, Fallout 4 has some decently civilized places and with you setting up settlements it seems that's only gonna increase.
It's worth noting that as memory served the Capitol Wasteland was a particular kind of shithole.
>>318398169
NV is better in almost every single sense, period. Fallout 4 is no different than Borderlands and even Far Cry to an extent. You can bitch about ''muh desert and railroading'' all you want.
>>318406040
For some people, sure, but not all. I'm not that anon, but I've never been able to run 3 reliably on anything later than Vista no matter what I do. Even limiting to dual core, running in compatibility mode, fucking with the .ini file, downloading every unofficial bugfix and optimizer out there, and playing vanilla aside from said optimizers, the game still crashed all the time. All I could ever do was make it crash ever half hour instead of every five minutes.
>>318406337
>borderlands
>a game all about shooting, looting, and being a retard
>Fallout 4
>a game all about interacting with the world for better and worse and telling the story of that one fuck who didn't die in 111.
I'm just not seeing it.
Far Cry is a closer comparison, albeit FO4 is notably worse.
>>318406215
>Fallout 4 has some decently civilized places
Did we play the same game? The biggest civilization in 4 is a baseball stadium with a dozen metal shacks in it.
>>318405804
On the West Coast the NCR has already reached a near pre-war state ~50 years BEFORE the events of Fallout 4.
>>318406487
>a game all about shooting, looting, and being a retard
But you just described FO4 perfectly
>>318406081
>wear all clothing under armour.
I'll probably add it in my next playthrough, but right now, I've already got a ballistic weave hat and underclothing.
>add new settlement stuff
my autism is too mild to care. I'll wait for people with severe autism to put bethesda to shame.
>that let you craft weapons and armour
new playthrough territory
>>318406487
>a game all about interacting with the world for better and worse and telling the story of that one fuck who didn't die in 111.
It's barely even better than borderlands in that regard. It's basically the same category of games.
>>318405689
Get outta here gramps this is a cool kid only zone
>>318406467
That's weird. I can run FO3 fine on Win8
>>318406527
It's still a town. They have resources, reporters, politics, etc.
Hell, New Vegas wasn't some sprawling metropolis. It was small and shit, even including Freeside.
>>318406527
That's not strictly true. NCR has no heavy industry and the main chunk of the economy are brahmin ranches
>>318406487
>a game all about shooting, looting, and being a retard
>a game all about interacting with the world for better and worse and telling the story of that one fuck who didn't die in 111.
I don't see how Fallout 4 doesn't fit into both of these. 90% of Fallout 4 is wandering around samey factories in pursuit of another FURIOUS BAYONETTED NIGHTVISION SILENT HEAVY PIPE RIFLE +. At least Borderlands had some weapon variety. Not much, but way more than Fallout 4 does.
>>318398169
Being an actual RPG for starters
>>318406742
>reporters
that's so retarded though
a "city" with like 30 people doesn't need its own newspaper
>>318406578
>>318406653
Except... there's no emphasis on the looting, it's just there. No lootsplosions, no "insane weapon variety"even if 99% of them were useless, and no legendary bosses said to be "filled with loot."
Loot is a major factor in Borderlands 1, 2, and 1.5.
>>318398169
>tfw sudden urge to play NV
What are some essential mods for it?
Never really finished the game (other than the stupid NCR ending years ago) so I'm feeling like doing another run, but I really wanna mod it this time.
>>318406889
No, but I don't mind. It's a neat idea and ideally keeps the critical eye on authority.
>>318406959
>it's just there
and it's like one third of the game
(the other two thirds being killing to get loot and selling/crafting loot)
>>318406959
Those are just shades of differences. Borderlands just does weapon and loot variety somewhat better. I don't know what to tell you, I follow my gut and my gut is telling my Fallout 4 is a shooter and I play it for shooting. Rather, I don't play it because shooting bores me pretty quickly. On the other hand, I did like 10 playthroughs of New Vegas.
>>318406889
You know we're intended to imagine the scale bumped up for every 3D tes and Fallout game, right?
>>318406959
I always subscribed to the notion that everything in Bethesda games is actually several times bigger than what's shown, and Diamond City is intended to be a thriving city with a population in the hundreds if not a thousand. It's just that Bethesda has been using the same engine for over a fucking decade and it shits itself if there's more than two NPC's and a tin can on screen at once. I'm not trying to excuse how shit they are or anything, but I highly doubt that if you were to ask a dev at Bethesda about Solitude they'd tell you it has a population of 30 and five houses, for example.
>what new vegas did right compared to fallout 4
Story.
Crafting.
Not having a limited settlement building feature (which was a mod)
>what new vegas did right compared to fallout 3
Everything.
>>318398169
Beth took what should have been a simple enough story, characters, and concepts, and somehow managed to mangle it all in the way they executed: the way that everything is delivered in Fo4 is wrong, even moreso in 3 in spite of having a better premise, and it really shows Beth's difficulty with working with Fallout's lore even when they're actively trying to tie things together neatly and not shit on pre-established stuff.
It's insulting because for how much they tried to get it right, they failed, when at first it seemed like they could succeed.
>>318407238
Even back in FO1/2 settlements aren't very big. Honestly it's the post apocalypse, what do you want?
Bigger than Megaton, at the very least.
>>318406783
Sure, but 50 years before Fallout 4 takes place NCR has already built a massive, self sustaining capital city to run a fully functional governing body. They're clearly leaps and bounds ahead of where the East Coast civilizations are in terms of development.
>>318406742
Fallout 4 suffers from the classic issue where the in-game lore and the actual presentation don't match up. Diamond City apparently has a population in the hundreds, with internal political issues (like the class warfare issue going on), but there aren't even 20 houses in the entire city. Usually this is something that I can just overlook (because video games) but Witcher 3 really spoiled me on how well designed a world could be. Bethesda should definitely take notes from CDPR for their next game.
>>318407027
New Vegas Anti-crash
>>318407176
even then
how much people including all the farms they need, can a fucking baseball stadium support?
and this in a place where you still struggle to survive and making a newspaper is just a waste of precious resources
>>318399146
Zelda is shit.
>>318407548
I give it a pass, mostly because New Vegas hurt me so much with it. I was so excited for the strip and it's three goddamn buildings.
But Obsidrones will defend it.
I don't know
>>318407575
>making a newspaper is just a waste of precious resources
Apparently paper is actually one of the most durable resources in the Fallout universe. There are even pre-war newspapers lying around the streets of Boston, even after two full centuries of being exposed to the elements in a post-apocalyptic world.
>>318407773
>But Obsidrones will defend it.
Fucking excellent bait, 10/10. I know it's bait and I'll STILL respond to it, because it's that good.
The Strip and Freeside were the biggest complaints everyone who liked NV had about the game (barring bugs). Nobody pretends NV is perfect.
>>318407548
Bethesda can take all the notes they want, until they finally rid themselves of their technical debt they will never achieve anything better.
>>318407575
>how much people including all the farms they need, can a fucking baseball stadium support?
If you clear the diamond and make it essential buildings and farm land, built house in the stands, then had stores underground? A lot.
>struggle to survive
I think Diamond City is a bit past Arroyo tier levels of development.
>>318407792
That's pretty unsetting, is the whole game like that?
>>318407960
Do we not frequent the same threads? Whenever I see a NV thread it's full of Housefags. And I'd be all up for House if he wasn't a wannabe god who has to have half his settlement policed by a gang of Elvis impersonators.
>>318408024
Do you even have the slightest idea how much farm land you need to support even a single person?
>>318408202
I do for video games.
>>318408156
>Do we not frequent the same threads? Whenever I see a NV thread it's full of Housefags
This is not the same as saying that The Strip and Freeside weren't disappointing or that they shouldn't have been larger.
The only debate here is to whether it's because consoles or because cut content.
>>318407792
>>318408156
So, if you like going with House, it means you think the Strip is perfect?
In what universe does that constitute a logical conclusion?
The opening missions of new vegas and fallout 4 really set the tone for each game.
In new vegas you awake in a town and as you explore and familiarize yourself with the inhabitants you are almost immediately presented with a dilemma. Powder gangers are coming to extort the townsfolk and you can help the townsfolk, help the powder gangers, do nothing, or kill everyone involved. If you choose to help the townsfolk, you can go around to different members of the town and, depending on your characters skills, ask them for help in certain fields such as medicine or explosives. New vegas immediately shows the player he is part of a world with competing factions and he can pick sides to impact the outcome.
In fallout 4 one of the first missions the player encounters is a stranger screaming at you from the top of a museum asking for help and advising you to pick up the laser musket that is laid on the ground. Before you even enter the building raiders, who are inherently evil and will never try to converse or trade with you under any circumstance, begin fighting you. As you clear your way through a linear building you encounter a group of people who have never met you, but immediately accept you as their ally, guide you toward a fusion cell, power armor, and a minigun on the roof. It's strange these NPCs need your help as they are all invulnerable. After you help them they all immediately join your new settlement which is conspicuously intact and has not been looted in 200 years.
The main difference in the game is choices impacting the storytelling vs. linear storytelling.
>>318408094
Sometimes you can tell them you'll do it later.
>>318408357
Because the strip represents what House is ultimately capable of, despite his claims.
>>318408284
I don't think that's a fair argument, either. Fact of the matter is that any open world game is gonna have issues with scale and population size. I've accepted it and am just happy that Beth was able to make a city that feels like it's bigger than it is.
The issue I have with the Obsidion cocksucking is that the Strip is so heavily advertised both in and out of the game. And that it's ultimately got the population of Goodsprings is a major issue and somewhat of a deal breaker.
>>318405454
Cass is in no way involved or interested in you fella.
>>318408202
You need 2 of everything besides Mutfruit to feed one person
Duh
After playing Fo4 i will never play New Vegas every again.
>>318408854
You need a dozen other plants too for your adhesives.
>>318408661
>is ultimately capable of
Transforming a city of cannibals and thugs into a glowing beacon of safety and wealth?
>>318408651
Thank Christ, was getting worried here
>>318405892
Shitposting. Shitposting never changes.
>>318408951
Who ultimately do nothing but practice their dark deeds in secret and survive off the caps that come in. No thought is put to resources or the little man in this scenario. House dreams big and damn if he isn't brilliant, but he vastly overestimates himself and that will be his downfall.
>>318408935
>Being so terrible at picking things up that you need to even use Vegtable starch
>>318402037
Wait, do those talk-down perks literally just turn enemies into non-essential companions?
>>318405454
Original intent was that you both get drunk and wake up married and The King being the one that wedded you and Cass.
>>318409242
You get the deathclaw for giving the egg back
>>318409345
The game really lacks the obligatory drunk Vegas wedding
>weapon variety
>armor and clothing variety
>quest variety and quantity
>ammo crafting
>crafting in general
>more relative to FO1&2
FO4 didn't even reference shit regarding NV. I think Cabot mentioned going to the Mojave to find some ancient civilization once and that was all I ever heard.
They vaguely reference anything from 3 as well. Mostly just Liberty Prime, a few things through Dr.Lee, and that's it.
Part of me really hopes that Obsidian is given license to develop their own FO4 subtitled game.
FO4 lacked some things that were in NV
>no ammo crafting
>no durability to add more depth to crafting tables (same as Skyrim, they finally add proper crafting, and durability is given the fucking boot)
>stats gone completely, all SPECIAL does is gate perks and affect damage and hit values slightly
>>318409345
Courier going and settling down at Big Mount is a better ending though
>>318400847
I wonder how many arguments that autist has ready in his notepad.
>>318405013
>implying anything Ulysses said about you is true
It's only true if you want it to be true. For all we know he could be just projecting.
>>318409549
Fucking up the Mojave with Elijah is better
>>318402743
>homosexual, Bioware-tier pandering
>Forgetting Vault 22
Either you didn't play the game, ran through it like a speedrun or you're just fishing for (you)s
While yeah there's quite a few gay characters, it's not obvious and shouting at you and shit like Bioware. The only way you can find out that the gay guy in Mojave Outpost is gay is by using the Confirmed Bachelor perk, which you'd ude if you WANT homosexuality in the game
Veronica does imply she's homo quite easily but if you just talk to her to get her as a companion and don't pry too much then you can completely miss it.
Cass fucks girls when she's drunk, wow such SJW
And Gannon only reveals he's gay if you REALLY pry into his personal life. You can complete his companion quest without ever realising he's gay.
Basically, nice b8, made me bite, 6/10
>>318398975
Every chick I've known who dyed their hair was an attention whore. They'd get depressed every time they had nobody around.
All but one, and that one was this Cuban chick who dyed her hair teal blue because it was one of those quick fads earlier this year. She's actually quiet and reserved.
The Punk thing is retarded considering the whole thing behind Punk is ironic non-conformism and being angry
>>318409621
He doesn't even say that much.
All you did was deliver some packages to some remote place. You don't even need to be aware of the effects that had.
And you already were a courier.
>>318409345
See, I would've loved that ending. Beats having my beta ass courier being keked by a random NCR troop.
That said, that was a problem with NV. Can't really recall a companion that you can apply the dick to as a straight courier.
>>318409215
>but practice their dark deeds in secret
A small faction who are under the penalty of death when if found out by Marjory.
>but he vastly overestimates himself and that will be his downfall.
Except his ending is probably the best thing for Vegas.
If there's one thing 4 accomplished well, it's that all characters no longer look the fucking same.
>>318409812
No companion but you can fuck whores and that arena chick.
>>318409659
Not that anon and I think it does gay characters right but the game really does lack romanceable straight companions.
Morrowind - GOAT
Oblivion - bretty gud
Fallout 3 - OK
Skyrim - OK
New Vegas - OK
Fallout 4 - a literal garbage can
Couldn't really into NV, speech was nerfed so my second tier build was really boring medicine and melee critting. I just kept starting new characters over and over as my builds hit walls around level 20.
What were they thinking with FO4 though? The map is so small that NPC's are literally neighbors with ghouls and mutants. Every voice actor sounds like a college friend of Todd's. Dialogue is either edgy or cloyingly moral, and insufferable either way. Skill points are not fun. Base building is minecraft levels of autistic chore. The only fun I had was jumping off things in a power suit.
>>318409906
That's a drawback to a game that was advertised as having bioware style romances.
Yes, that actually happened.
>>318409913
I don't think you can even fuck the gay companions.
You can't fuck Veronica as a lesbian courier,
and I don't think you can fuck Arcade as a gay one.
>>318409812
That really isn't a fucking problem.
>>318410023
Really? I don't remember that.
Obsidian hates romances in games.
>>318398169
+ skills/perks/traits
+ multiple ways to solve a quest
+ Veronica
the only pluses I can think of at the moment
>>318405892
>Is this what we have to look forward to in the future? Affirmed rpg fans more concerned with graphical eye-candy rather than hard and solid content?
over 13 years ago...
>>318410062
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Fallout:_New_Vegas_sleeping_partners
There are no romacable followers in the game.
>>318407027
TTW with Project Nevada and Sawyer's mod
>>318408417
>reasoning
>with raiders, psycohtic individuals with KoS policy
Ok buddy, not sure what kind of 2deep4u dialogue u were looking for
>>318409510
Kellogg's memories and Valentines case files hint that someone else won Hoover but NCR came back and took it over
>>318406783
Well they do have weapons/munitions factories, large mines are back up and running, they can print money, they get petroleum from somewhere, it might not be heavy industry but they do still have industry
>>318409748
dying your hair blue to follow a quick fad sounds like a textbook example of looking for attention, bro
>>318398975
>I'm punk because I bought a skull belt buckle from Target
>mfw the sneak perk in FO4 is a carbon fucking copy of the same fucking sneak skills form the sneak tree in Skyrim, but more compressed
BETHESDA INTERACTIVE.
>>318410645
I guess. She's more of a homebody though, and only really did it because she liked the way it looked. Wasn't exactly searching for praise or recognition or anything from anyone but herself.
>>318410698
>mfw start out with sneak
>enemies are actually seeing me
>thought sneaking may have actually been improved
>AGI 10
>literally ninjaghost jesus
>not even firing a revolver into a mutant's dick breaks stealth
>>318404713
The one that removes level requirements from perks - this shit is so stupid.
It's like Beth is actively trying to have every character play the same.
>>318410698
I know what you mean, but saying "carbon copy" and then saying how it was compressed is pretty silly
you're right though, this actually feels like Skyrim with guns instead of that just being a joke
>>318410887
did you get any agi perks? because I'm on agility 9 with only blitz and they see me quite easily
>>318400847
Lol his argument is completely discredited when he calls Morrowind shallow. What a tool. Morrowind is a better RPG than most of the Fallout games.
>>318398975
>punk isn't about rebellion
Thanks, Blink 182.
>>318410887
At rank 4/5 with 7 Agi, I can have enemies right in my face, and never break CAUTION phase. If I get DETECTED, I can dip through some bushes or around a quick corner and I go back into CAUTION. Investing in the 5/5 perk is a waste of a fucking perk point.
Fallout 4 is the only fun Fallout.
>>318410887
Kekd
>>318411051
>did you get any agi perks? because I'm on agility 9 with only blitz and they see me quite easily
Grabbed the stealth perks obviously, I don't think bethesda intended you to use tactics without investing in the obligatory +X to Y perks they seem to love.
>>318411126
The sneak capstone is worthless, the hacker capstone is obscenely worthless, the lockpicking capstone is mostly worthless. There's probably more worthless capstones, but I'm pretty sure they're locked behind worthless perk trees anyway.
>>318410934
>time to get Blitz 2 to finish my build
>level 34 required
Why would anyone play this long?
>>318402743
Beyond the Beef is better than every quest in 4 combined
There's a ton of memorable quests in NV. Assassinating the President, the Benny quest, The Gomorrah quest (Which felt straight out of New Reno), getting the bomber for the Boomers, the very first quest with Goodspring vs Powder Gangers and the follow up where the NCR attacks the prison, getting a mayor for Primm, all the NCR base ones like taking bounties on Fiend Leaders and helping decide the battle of Forlorn Hope, the one where you have to check on all the ranger stations leading to a confrontation with the leader of the Rangers, etc.
The only Fallout 4 quests I can remember are Silver Shroud, Covenant, and USS Constitution and none of them were very good except fpr the Silver Shroud
>>318411298
What the fuck is happening
A week ago I went to the Fallout general on vg and said fuck Fallout 4 and like 5 people went ''fuck you man''. I wonder if Reddit is finally here.
>>318411086
Give those goggles a wipe grandpa
>>318410669
What do you call someone who just likes the music?
Especially since "hardcore punk" came up, a load of faggots just like the music without caring about muh rebellion
>>318411051
Well, people who claim it was ind evelopment for 6 or 7 years are wrong. It more than likely went into development, or started planning for it in 2013 when Skyrim was entirely wrapped up.
Id' say it probably had a rough 3 years in development.
That being said, Todd himself stated that development of Fallout 4 started by porting Skyrim to Xbox One. Hence why I guesstimate a starting point of 2013. This also means that they likely did an asset dump, and filled it all back in with Fallout 4 set pieces and such, while also dedicating resources to engine / graphical improvements, while ALSO pouring over SKyrim's mechanics to see what can be salvaged and what can be scrapped, WHILE ALSO pulling things back into the engine from FO3 and refining them (or not refining them (hacking / lockpicking)), and cutting enough corners to have the game pushed out in Fall 2015.
Essentially, the game's development was quick and easy due to reusing assets from past games on an already heavily modular engine of theirs. FO4 was probably the easiest most quickest cash grab they've ever pushed out the door.
>>318407176
Are we intended to imagine the game isn't shit too?
>>318411642
>pulling things back into the engine from FO3
did they reuse a lot of stuff? I don't know shit about the previous 3D fallouts
>>318411548
I noticed that too, the Reddit invasion needs to be countered.
>>318402743
>post apocalyptic wasteland
>not fucking everything that wants to fuck
shiggy diggy
>>318411431
I'd say most of the perk investments are worthless.
Nothing has really changed in their design ethic and principles between Skyrim and FO4 really, considering an easy 60% of talents in Skyrim were utterly useless as well.
Really makes me wonder what Bethesda does in the 3-4-5 years they sit around making these games. Because considering how much is reused in each game, their time certainly doesn't go towards making anything new or interesting.
If I play one more Bethesda game that uses the same, tired ass, boring lockpicking minigame, I'm going towrite Todd Howard a moderately angry letter and tell him it's about time to start switching up the minigames.
>>318398169
new vegas is actually an RPG
>>318409659
>shouting at you and shit like Bioware
>yfw you walk downstairs in the normally for the first time to a crying mexican faggot screaming about his "husband" over and over again
>>318411893
>hacking minigame
>lockpicking minigame that was in FO3, NV, Skyrim
>crafting from Skyrim
>random enchanted loot system from Skyrim
>same retarded end-of-dungeon generalized loot bin from Skyrim
>>318411638
I'm sorry, but punk isn't for bootlickers.
Maybe you can get away with listening to post-hardcore influenced albums
>>318407285
Ever since the announcement trailer and seeing the old FO3 animations was when it sunk it was going to be bad
>>318411730
>>318407548
What does that 'pig' at the very center of your picture mean?
>>318412241
>1000x1000
Nigga I ain't opening that shit.
>>318411086
You missed the point, I see.
>>318408934
After reading this post i will never go on /v/ every again.
>>318412207
>I'm sorry, but punk isn't for bootlickers.
I would've thought my post was clear, both hardcore fans and punks are twats
>>318407548
Fallout 4 suffers from being shallow as fuck.
Once again, Bethesda makes a fun world to explore and stumble around in, but gives us the most shallow means of exploring it the way we want.
It has the exact same problems as Skyrim had. Zero depth to fucking anything. Perks are an illusion of depth in your character development. Most are useless as fuck and offer nothing substantial other than "I didn't know what to invest in so fuck it." Character's are 2D as fuck. Your character is fucking Boston Jesus rising after a 200 year nap.
>>318407773
Freeside was actually huge the real freeside never made it to the game though the files are there thou.
>>318412560
Fun? What fun?
>>318412592
A lot of things never made it into NV. They had just barely a year to make the game. Bethesda screwed them over at almost every turn as well, even after release.
>>318409003
It's not often you literally play yesman. Or sarcastic autist who just does shit for people while being an asshole.
>>318412560
>Your character is fucking Boston Jesus rising after a 200 year nap.
You might be limited to being Boston Jesus, but by the end of the game you could be supporting a group of heavy handed techno-religious fascists or morally bankrupt and disconnected from reality scientists.
>>318412247
that's what it says when you aim at a pig
>>318412008
I miss the Oblivion lockpicking system, that was way more fun and challenging than the current system. I've always enjoyed the hacking minigame though.
>>318398169
New Vegas has a wonderful combo of having a sandbox / open world with a main story line with a ton of options. FO3 had a bunch of linear shooter sections that weren't needed.
>>318412697
Sorry you're incapable of drawing enjoyment out of anything at all.
The world was fun to explore. That's about all I can really tell you. I entered the game, walked around, and every new location caused my brain to continue injecting dopamine into my system.
>>318412698
Consoles and foreign engine also often fucked them. Lots of stuff got cut because consoles couldn't handle or it would cause strange bugs in gamebryo.
I just feel like attaching the main character to a loved one completely ruins the immersion. What I mean is, in 3 and 4 your morality system is already tipped to one direction.
>I lost my son, can you help me?
>MC: Sure, I know how it feels to lose a loved one.
Whereas the Courier doesn't come attached to anything or anyone and any decision is pure raw morality check.
Speaking of lockpicking, what the fuck were they thinking making it impossible to even attempt to lockpick harder locks if you don't have the perk?
That's actually a step back from Skyrim, shit's retarded
>>318412878
I hate the hacking, it's soo slow.
Especially when you play with the controller
>>318413042
You're the reason skills were removed.
>>318412205
you forgot:
>music
>animations
>>318411642
pretty much this
I like Fallout 4 but it tends to scream "cash grab" more often than I'd prefer
that said I'm just sticking around for the mods now because I know some interesting things are bound to spring up the moment the modding tools come out
>>318412698
>barely a year to make the game
It was 18 months
>>318413019
I'm currently trying to play as a Chinese sleeper agent who never cared about his family and who's now free of all obligations.
But the game doesn't make it easy.
>>318412878
I've been desperately begging for that system to return in at least some improved fashion. It was such a great take on how lockpicking at least KIND OF worked in a more realistic sense.
Sure it was easily exploitable by getting fucking good at it in the 20 minutes or so that took, but that could easily have been mended by skill gating ala Fallout. It was also more itneresting and also more time consuming. In Fallout / Skyrim, it takes me 10 seconds at most to break through a lock. Hacking takes longer because it involves actual guesswork and doing away with false passcodes.
Bethesda just does what they think is easiest for the player, which is why every game feels more and more shallow.
I even tried asking some skilled Gamebryo modders if it was even possible to yank out Oblivion's lockpicking minigame and cram it into Skyrim or NV, and they all said no, since it's so hardcoded into the game.
