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WHY IS IT SO FUCKING SLOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW?
>>318335908
Consoles.
>>318335908
Consoles
>>318335908
is there new gameplay footage or are you just thatslow
>>318335908
Consoles.
>>318335908
Locked down hardware.
We know why it's slow. The real question is why do they insist on calling it fast when it clearly isn't? Have people become so retarded that marketers can literally just lie and then immediately show proof to the contrary and people still fall for it?
>>318335974
>>318336089
>>318336328
Well, it seems we've solved the mystery of why the new Doom is slow.
What new challenges await /v/?
>le slow
stupid argument used by retards who can't see the real reasons it will be shit
>>318335908
consoles
Slow as in framerate? Or gameplay?
>>318336571
>What new challenges await /v/?
New Thief sequel.
>>318336580
Absolutely this, probably people who never even played Doom back in the day.
>>318335908
Read somewhere it was Consoles.
Can someone post those webms of the multiplayer gameplay?
>>318336569
Literally yes. The power of suggestion.
>>318336569
Have you just not been around for over a decade?
Casuals eat up anything they're told.
>you lived to see COD become faster and more innovative than DOOM
How does it feel /v/?
>>318336745
Frame rates aren't measured in slow/fast. They can be high, or low
>>318335974
>>318336089
>>318336571
So why was Doom 3 even slower when it was built for the PC market?
No one has the courage to make a stylized, colorful, fast paced arena shooter in the style of the early 90s
they correctly believe it won't do well: it would be like making a side scrolling mario game now (which ironically nintendo is still attempting from time to time)
ultimately the purpose is to make money, not respect what Doom is, or to make a game the people who enjoy the original game
>>318338495
c-consoles
n-nvidia
c-carmack
uu-uhhh
>>318338591
No, it's because the FPS scene on PC is absolute shit and pretty much dominated by CSGO.
Wickland is pretty much what you want, but guess what, it's dead.
And then if you pander too hard, people will be put off by it, like Toxikk.
>>318337472
doom 2 still exists though
in fact just that thought makes me want to go play it now
>>318338591
They do, they're just indie and in Early Access (Ratz Instagib, Toxikk), Kickstarter (Strafe) or you have UE4
>>318338495
Assuming that they didn't consider consoles during development: Poor design choices.
But my money is on consoles anyway.
>>318338495
>when it was built for the PC market
>Doom 3
Doom 3 was the first Doom multiplat since day 1, you have your answer.
>>318337472
Already going through mental gynmastics to try and make myself like it for a mediocre slow modern shooter, like Gears of War.
>>318338825
>>318338975
I said they correctly believe it wont do well
which is why the great gameplay ideas and expensive graphical fidelity aren't being applied the arena genre, those particular games are just long shots by developers hoping it will work out for them
thanks for 'clarifying' what I already said
>>318339314
There's nothing wrong with enjoying Gears Of War though.
Especially2
And I even had fun with__3
>>318338495
because they went for more cinematic horror than fast paced gameplay. I don't think whoever made doom 3 were they themselves calling it faststill a good game
>>318335908
Because it's not a sequel to Doom and Doom II. It's a sequel to Doom 3. Doom 3 introduced limited sprinting, video and audio logs to listen to, and various atmospheric events you're supposed to watch. They're not trying for fast and chaotic, they're trying for slow and atmospheric.
>>318339490
Yes anon, people spend their time and money making a game, paying Gaben to host it for them, FULLY EXPECTING it to bomb and have no wish/hope of making profit from it.
Kill yourself.
I don't get why people didn't like doom 3? Sure it was slower than the previous games. But regardless 3 had an amazing creepy atmosphere and I quite enjoyed it.
Just the fact that they are trying to replicate Brutal Doom means its shit
>>318339838
Because that's all it was. A creepy atmosphere.
There was nothing redeeming about it. Fight progressively harder enemies in the same atmosphere, with slightly better weapons as you go on.
There is absolutely 0 replayability in that game, and it's a damn shame. A modern reiteration of Doom deserves better.
>>318339841
>Is this compatible with brutal doom?
Every custom mod and weapon and map and campaign now. Fucking shit.
>>318339838
Most people don't play DOOM for the atmosphere, they play it to RIP AND TEAR.
Even though DOOM's never had a great atmosphere to begin with and there's far better early 3D shooters anyway.
And let's not forget the obvious consolization.
>>318335908
Wider audience
Modern demographics
"We'll use an old big name to appeal the biggest wave of consumers, aka butcher what gave previous installments a soul of their own to release a pseudoclone that might not appeal to the target demographic and insult the original fanbase"
>>318340042
Gotta disagree there I find plenty of replay value. But alas difference in taste it seems.
I bought the Doom games this week. Fired up Doom 1 for the first time. Didn't work. Looked up fixes that involved a lot of downloadin and moving over files to folders n shit to a source port. Then I put it back in my backlog and moved on to other games.
Are you people retarded or something
Being slower than the original Doom isn't that bad. Doom was probably the fastest of the 90's FPSes. I want some enterprising person to measure the movement speed in Doom 4 and compare it to other modern games.
>>318338495
Because it was never meant to be fast. It was meant to be a tech demo for the Doom 3 engine and its lighting.
>>318341207
So the original doom runs faster because it was on MS/DOS 2.5D
>>318337472
>faster
Not really, sprint speed in BO3 is slow and you can't even shoot while sprinting
>>318338495
Doom 3 multiplayer is pretty fast if you know how to play it
>>318342316
At least they finally let you reload while sprinting, it fucking sucked playing the old ones and having to stop to reload.
>>318335908
The actual reason is you have to actually aim in 3 dimensions. Doom 1 and 2 got away with it because you only had to aim right to left.
>>318340141
>Even though DOOM's never had a great atmosphere to begin with
Is this the kind of person who doesn't like Thy Flesh Consumed?
>>318341048
you're retarded and cancer. congratulations.
New doom is looks like it's going for over the top badassery and violence
Which is fine by me
>>318338591
It's not a matter of courage it's more of the fact no one actually gives a shit about a done-to-death, bland and stale genre
Retards complain about speed even though Doom was relatively fast, probably because >>318342735
>>318341207
I'm guessing from the trailers that it is far closer to the speed of modern FPSes than the classic ones, but I'd really like actual numbers to compare.
If the speed is fast enough to leave the "well trodded" space that modern FPSes live in, then I can at least be cautiously optimistic. It doesn't have to be good in the same way as OG Doom to be good. Other revivals have proven that.
>>318343063
u mad bro? XD
>>318341048
>how do i games
My god, this is the Steam generation. Games are just on icon on Steam to you, aren't they?
>>318341048
It is pretty shit of them to put it on Steam without it working properly. How many people already freaking own Doom but thought it would be easier just to buy a digital version?
>>318335908
I preorderd 2 copies of doom 4 so I can play on day one and not left in the digital dust! Anyone who doesnt preorder isnt a real gamer coming from experience since Doom is one of the most legendary gaming franchises in history because it breaks the 4th wall of FPS gameplay with its revolutionary take on immersion.
>>318339124
I'm going to assume by "since day 1" you meant "always intended to be", not "first one ever"
its real sad how proud they were of that creation mode.
Niggas needed to tighten up the gameplay.
>>318335908
Consoles.
>>318344406
>looks at box
what the fuck are "Super FX"
>>318344919
It's kind of like blast processing, but not as good.
>>318344919
It was a chip put into some SNES games so they could render polygons. It came out with Starfox, while Doom and Yoshi's Island used the Super FX 2 chip.
ORIGINAL IS SLOW TOO YOU RETARD
https://youtu.be/jP2jI0BVG0w
>>318335908
consoles of rome
>>318336580
>the real reasons it will be shit
consoles
>>318343483
Eat a dick. I already paid for it. They should their job and stop selling it if they didnt patch it for modern systems.
>>318343957
I shouldve bought the GOG version. They have actual quality control on old games.
>>318344919
Fucking kids
This thread is absolute shit. Filled to the brim with retards who obviously never played Doom on anything beyond 'I'm too young to die'.
"gotta go fast" is not Doom.
>>318343401
Doesn't stop quake1/painkiller/every single SS game from being faster.
>>318345263
the only slow thing here is the player brain
>>318345263
>never turns on run mode
>>318345662
Nigga what, playing on harder difficulties gives you even more reason to go fast.
>e3 reveal
>"we want this game to be fast"
>6 second animation for ledge grab
>3 second animation for landing from a high elevation
>4 second kill animations for every finisher
why cant i just punch something then watch it explode?
why do i have to watch this stupid kill animation?
>>318344406
Other Dooms were ported to consoles later.
Doom 3 was a multiplat game.
>>318344919
Better than regular FX. Better enough to neccesitate a special SUPER chip on the cartridge board. It's rad.
>>318345505
>They should their job and stop selling it if they didnt patch it for modern systems.
On this we agree, even if you put it stupidly.
The inability to get a basic DOS game running on your own though, that blame cannot be shifted. If you're going to play games on PC you should be able to solve the simplist of problems. Because computers are nothing but problems.
>>318346429
>super FX is a chip on the cartridge
do you have any proof of that or to busy talking out your ass nintendrone?
>>318346406
Kill yourself, underage cocksucker
>>318347342
>nintendrone
Don't have a cow, duder. I believe in love & peace between Sega and Nintendo.
I just want a doom complete edition with all the crazy bull shit exclusive levels in one game
>>318350274
>with all the crazy bull shit exclusive levels
To what do you refer?
>>318350885
like the ps1 levels etc, I do not mean crazy bullshit as in hard or interesting just that there are tons of exclusive levels for each version
It'll only take a few weeks for someone to release a mod to improve the speed.
>>318351045
Oh, interesting. I didn't know that there were exclusive maps outside of Doom 64.
>>318336569
Yes. Have you not paid attention to the last 10 years.
>>318345263
0:50
>Imp throws fireball, it travels slowly, takes 4 full seconds to reach the player
>He watches it come towards him, stops, dodges to the side when it's still 2 seconds away, waits, and then jumps back just in time for it to hit
>>318346135
>why do i have to watch this stupid kill animation?
It appeals to children and braindead retards. Look at how the journalists and industry people in the crowd were clapping like seals at it.
>>318345263
>GAME IS TOO SLOW
>Player not running and not charging in
A F1 racecar can also be slow as fuck if the driver is shit
>>318335908
Doom 4:
>Quicktime cinematic Halo with Gears Of War's art direction.
Doom 3:
>Stripped down satanic System Shock 2 with a pretty engine.
Doom 1 & 2:
>Still exists, time to play mod #2300443.
If Doom 4 fails, Bedshitter may finally "absorb" id, like they did Humanhead, like they will do Arkane, if Dishonored 2 fails.
>>318336569
People don't fall for it, anon. They ravenously defend it, fight any proof to the contrary, and scream at the top of their lungs until the bad man who's saying mean things goes away.
>>318338886
>doom 2 still exists
holy shit you're right. gonna go play that shit right now
>>318352078
Get the GZDoom source port, play this shit.http://www.moddb.com/mods/pirate-doom
or this onehttp://www.thekinsie.com/reelism/
>>318336571
Why are CSGO and Smash 4, and SFV so slow?
