![ps4-system-imageblock-vs-us-19jun15[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/B28lrIp.png "ps4-system-imageblock-vs-us-19jun15[1].png")
I am just realizing how much consoles are holding back the technology in games.
The PS3 and the 360 are really old and both have been not just outdated, but outdated by orders of magnitudes for a long time. Any game that is designed to run on a console with 256 mb of ram is going to be technologically shitty. 1 gig of ram is a fucking standard.
The current generation of PC hardware already greatly outclasses the PS4 and Xbone. When I play Bloodborne on my PS4, I was thinking about how it's locked at 30 fps and cannot even keep that frame rate but looks really good, meaning that is probably the absolute best the PS4 can do. 30 fps with BB graphics. I was then playing The Evil Within on my PC with a r9 390 and noted how it looks better than Bloodborne and at 1080 I could run it at above 60 fps if the game didn't have stupid issues above that frame rate. I could also do 1440p with lowered settings at 60 or max settings at 60 with dips to 45~.
The PS4 is just getting its life cycle started and it's already been graphically tapped, but now games are not going to look any better for 5 more years because it has to run on the PS4.
It's great that the PS4 got rid of the ram issues (no game should ever need more ram than 2 gigs, even though From cannot program for shit and had memory leaks) but everything else is already very dated and getting more and more dated as time goes on. Will we ever have 2 or 4 year console cycles closer to graphics cards releases?
>>318296480
To post some specs, the ps1 has
a 40 mh/z processor
2mb of ram
1mb of vram
I also may be remembering wrong, but I'm pretty sure the PS1 also does not support floating point operations at all.
>>318296980
PS2 has
CPU - 64-bit 'Emotion Engine' (299mhz)
GPU - 'Graphics Synthesizer' (147mhz)
System RAM - 32mb
Video RAM - 4mb
Resolution - 720x480 (SD), 1280x720 (HD - certain games only)
Media - 4.7gb DVD, 9gb dual-layer DVD
There are legitimately now Microwaves out on the market with more processing power than a PS2.
>>318297164
On paper the PSP appears more powerful than a PS2.
CPU - MIPS single-core (333mhz)
GPU - Single-core (166mhz)
System RAM - 64mb DDR (333mhz)
Video RAM - 2mb
Resolution - LCD 480x272 (sub-SD)
Media - 900mb UMD, 1.8gb dual-layer UMD
However architectural differences make this not true.
If it weren't for consoles all video games would be indie, unfinished space sim, MMO's or mobile games
>>318297254
Now onto the PS3
CPU - 'Cell' with 6-core equivalent architecture (3.2ghz)
GPU - 'Reality Synthesizer' (500mhz)
System RAM - 256mb XDR (3.2ghz)
Video RAM - 256mb GDDR3 (700mhz)
Resolution - 720x480 (SD), 1280x720 (HD), 1920x1080 (Full HD - certain titles only)
Media - 25gb BD, 50gb dual-layer BD
You'll notice at how terrible these specs are. It's a feat of programming that things like The Last of Us were able to run at 30 fps even on the console, or that something like MGS5 runs on it at all. It also decreases the possible quality of games.
>>318297402
CPU - ARM quad-core (1ghz clock, 2ghz max)
GPU - Quad-core 5XT (250mhz clock, 500mhz max)
System RAM - 512mb
Video RAM - 128mb
Resolution - OLED 960x544 (sub-HD)
Media - 4gb flash cartridge, 8gb planned
The Vita is a very powerful system with some better specs than a PS3, but in the end the weaker graphics card (vram doesn't matter that much because it's resolution) and lack of anything to rival the cell means "PS3 in your pocket" was nothing but fancy PR speak. Interesting enough because of cell phones year long life cycles, most phones are now massively more powerful than a Vita.
>Tfw you will never get a yearly phone release of a phone with the same form factor as a vita
The PS2 supported 1080i, not 720p.
Not even the original xbox did 720p.
>>318296480
Thats why they sell like crazy because they hold the technology back......
>console holding back gaming guiz meme
LOL steam survey reveals 80% of steam users have weaker hardware than ps4 and Xbone. Most PC exclusive developers make games for low end hardware thats why they all look like shit
Best looking PC games are console ports
>>318298072
this the OP is probably a filthydrone of some company that competes with sony
Consoles are fine
PC are overpriced boxes with the 60fps meme feature
and no new games only old one like skyrim
Devs are fucking magic
Like how the hell is a game like GTA5 running on 10 year old massively outdated hardware AT ALL? And thats not even getting into the technicalities of something like the PS3 and its weird internal set up (the cell) which makes things even more difficult
Yes I know its full of compromise s. Like the game averaging mid twenty FPS, but the fact that it even RUNS AT ALL is a minor miracle.
>>318297692
Lies
![ps4-specs-e3[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1OkGzH5.jpg "ps4-specs-e3[1].jpg")
>>318297592
And now we have the PS4, in image form.
The first thing you'll notice is the PS4 has 8 gigs of DDR5 ram. That is a massive step up from the PS3, however it still has a unified memory architecture meaning it may still not be as much as desired. (OS, VRAM and Game Memory all need to fit on that 8 gigs) That is a decent technical limitation however as texture swapping up on PC is a trivial task meaning as long as the textures are authored in their original 4k the PC release can get maximum resolution.
The problem is the GPU. It sits somewhere between a 7850 and a 7870. My current "mid range" card is a r9 390. It is already over 3 times as powerful as a PS4's GPU. My i7 also is faster than the console CPU, however architectural differences make that meaningless and I cannot give an accurate comparison without doing some test on the PS4 I have no way of doing.
What I can say however is that new graphics cards are being released next year, meaning the gap is going to only get wider. The PS4 is an under performer, but it still is the most powerful console you can buy now meaning it's the "top end" for ports to the PC.
now talk about xbox
>>318298440
gta runs on ps3 and xbox360 is proof that games depend on good development not on raw PC power
Batman arham knight runs like shit on pc because devs didn't care for the version for a good reason
>>318298072
>>318298263
This is not a shit posting thread guys. Can we please just discuss the hardware of consoles versus modern standards in a civil manner?
>>318297391
But muh masterrace
>>318297994
>somebody actually thought this was a legit argument
>>318298639
I was actually getting ready to do that!
Here we have the original xbox.
CPU speed
733 MHz
CPU cores
1
GPU speed
233 MHz
System RAM
64 MB
Video formats
1080i, 720p, 480p, 480i
As you can see, the Xbox was not just slightly more powerful than the PS2, it was not even a contest. The PS2 is by far the weakest console of it's era, which is funny when you consider it cost more than the Game Cube and Xbox. (Though I could be wrong on the Xbox front, fact check me if you could.)
>>318298440
http://www.adriancourreges.com/blog/2015/11/02/gta-v-graphics-study/
>>318298810
Consoles are the standard. PC is all over the place depending on what you're running.
>consoles holding back technology
No they're not. And bad games aren't exclusive to consoles either.
Not OP, but
>Xbox HUEG
>CPU: 733 Mhz Pentium III
>64mb of 200 Mhz DDR
>Performance similar to a GeForce 3 Ti500 desktop GPU
>10 GB 5400rpm hard drive
The Original Xbox was the most powerful hardware in it's hayday. It's a shame the 360 and One don't hold that title.
>>318296480
>1 gig of ram is a fucking standard.
Oh fuck my sides.
![ps3-xbox360-hardware-specifications[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/oh11sTq.jpg "ps3-xbox360-hardware-specifications[1].jpg")
>>318299085
It's really fucking hard to find a place to get easy copy and paste specs for 360, so here it is side by side with the PS3.
I personally hate the 360 because it was an engineering nightmare and their solution to it's thermal issues was to tell you to buy the slim version of it, but when the hardware was not exploding on itself it was most likely more powerful than the PS3. The difference is not that great though, and by more powerful I only mean in terms of graphical computation power. The PS3 can do more "stuff" however.
Either way, it sits tight in with the PS3 holding back technology with very low specs.
>>318299586
Both consoles as well as the PC norm is 8 gig, so memeory is all a level playing field.
>>318296480
Dude, you're retarded. Like, really really retarded.
Without consoles, video games as a whole would pretty much be done for. On PC, video games are insanely easy to pirate and often gets the short end of the stick because we're all fucking thieves. No one here can say they've never pirated a PC game. Console piracy typically isn't worth the trouble because you'll be locked out of it's online features and is generally a bigger pain in the ass. Consoles are no doubt publisher's primary source of income and are far more mainstream than PC. If they didn't exist I feel that gaming would regress to indie pixel shit because titles like GTA V would not be feasible if stealing it is so fucking easy.
>>318299060
Numbers don't lie
there is a reason people get consoles my friend
you try every day hard to make PC athing and it doesn't work
what does this tells you?
>>318298440
>>318298641
I'm OP. As a programmer, it actually does impress me to a large degree that games like GTA5 run at all on those consoles.
That being said, it is sad how as technology gets more and more advance, developers get lazier and lazier and use short cuts because "we have enough power now!"
This is not me saying a /v/ meme either, it's actually a mantra developers say all the time that goes "Developer time is more precious than processor time."
Does anyone else remember Gaming Macs, you know, the Ultimas, the Quadras, the PowerMacs, the first iMac?
>>318299707
I go online with molded consoles all the time. Stop being ignorant
>>318299676
This is not exactly true. The memory architecture is different meaning usually consoles share VRAM and System Ram whereas your graphics card has dedicated VRAM that is usually faster than your system ram.
That is also why people say developers have to "get used" to consoles. Things like RAM speed are actually a huge bottleneck for the performance of games and processors in general.
>>318299845
Jesus christ
>>318299189
Nice one. I genuinely love reading the technical wizardry employed behind the scenes to get these games working under such brutal limitations
>>318299920
you are a programmer?
what do you program? games?
>>318300013
What did you have to do in order to get to that point? If you have to install CFW or any of that other shit it's generally not worth it to the layman. Like, you'd need to be a real piece of shit thief to go through the trouble. On PC it's as easy as just fucking downloading the game and a crack.
>>318300013
Modded*
>>318300013
Modded*
You're probably autistic and think you know shit about what you are talking about OP but let me explain things to you.
About 90% of the people are tech illliterates, anything more then putting a cd in a console is too much work for them to play games.
It has to be plug and play or else these people won't even bother because it is too much work that's how stupid they are.
This is why consoles exist and companies like Apple and alienware exist, to make the most dumbproof shit possible for the tech illliterates.
PC is a facebook, email, spreadsheet machine to normies they don't even acknowledge it as a gaming platform it is nonexistant to their mind.
Most people play on console deal with it faggot.
>>318300250
>>318300224
Oh, and also Nintendo consoles, naturally, do not count.
>>318300129
still not an argumetn
ps4 sells a lot its a fact
I don't know why you don't understand this
![ps4-xbox-one-hardware-comparison-587x480[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/cqPXbtD.png "ps4-xbox-one-hardware-comparison-587x480[1].png")
>>318299648
Sorry for the delay, I replied to some post.
Here is the Xbone. You can really see here how this is the dumbest thing Microsoft has ever done. It's much worse than a PS4 and originally cost more because they wanted to put an expensive camera in it and capture the Wii market. Now they are stuck with an under-performing console with the exact same games as a cheaper alternative with better graphics.
>>318296480
>I am just realizing how much consoles are holding back the technology in games.
Oh, they do.
>>318300074
So tell me this, would a
i3-6100 (skylake) cpu,
gtx 750 ti (powerless) gpu
8gb of 2133 Mhz DDR4
be better than a
i5 with gtx 760 and 1600 Mhz DDR3?
>>318296480
>I am just realizing how much consoles are holding back the technology in games.
Is there enough space inside that head to understand that not everyone has enough capital or resources to make HUGE budgeted games all the time?
If technology for consoles was always massively advanced there would be barely any games available for it yearly.
>>318300224
Not much. It's really easy. Everybody modded their psps and ds. Could even play online. can't do that with pirated pc stuff.
>>318299920
>That being said, it is sad how as technology gets more and more advance, developers get lazier and lazier and use short cuts because "we have enough power now!"
Why? That's basically the entire history of computing in a nutshell. Abstraction is good.
>>318300189
Yes, and I have done engine development before for in house engines.
I only made this thread because I was wondering if Vulcan or DX12 would make it possible to make DMC3 run like it did on the PS2 on a PC if it was natively programmed with similar specs which got me thinking about how weak consoles are.
>>318300330
This. PC ever being a dominant gaming platform in the mainstream space is a pipedream. On PC you need to be mindful if you PC can run the desired game, you can't just buy a good PC prebuilt without taking it up the ass and is generally more of a hassle than putting the disk in a console and having it go without worrying about whether or not it will work with your setup.
>>318300350
Not him, but I have a modded 360 and PS3,
I had a 3.55 Ps3 which is easy to mod, but the 360 was a pain.
3DS and wii too, but those don't count.
>>318296480
There is so much wrong with your post I have no idea where to begin.
>>318300407
still had the best games
Can you play shadow of the colosus and god of war on PC ?
>>318300407
>resolution is 3 times the size
>PS2 is limited by size of the TV
>literally every start is 3+ times higher
That's not how it works.
>>318298072
>Best looking PC games are console ports
Crysis, bruv. 8 years and it's still fucking beautiful.
Yes, of course, games should be designed for NASA computers in order to facilitate maximum graphical fidelity. As a consequence, exclusively the 0.01% percent should have access to them. Consequently, all the artists who desire to create games ought to desire their work to be recognized exclusively by a select group of cancerous parasytes.
On a serious note, this is the reason everybody hates you PC gamers. You place the value of any given video game solely on its graphics, disregarding all other qualities, from underlying design to immersion. You also believe that games - works of art created by individual or groups of artists - ought to be only accessable to people with (undeserved) access to the cutting edge of computing technology instead of allowing their genious to be brought forward to the people.
You PC gamers are the absolute worst kind of elitist scum. You don't fucking understand that the developed world is comprised of democracies of free people and not kingdoms with aristocracies and slaves. Hell, you should not even be called gamers, THAT is how much you fundamentally misunderstand the very artform of videogaming.
People like you make me sick.
>>318300350
Moving the goalposts that hard already? you think piracy on the ps1 or dreamcast was hard?
Ignorant.
>>318300629
Yes
>>318300552
what games did you programmed?
I hope you are a pro and not a wanabe amatuer
>>318300432
No. DDR4 has issues with higher latency and GPU's use their own dedicated RAM to get around these problems in the first place.
>>318300515
It isn't always, especially for performance critical things like video games.
>>318297391
Old LucasArts, old Id Software, etc etc, say hello.
Halo and COD killed good gaming, not indie shit. And those exploded on consoles. Fuck you.
Doesn't the Xbox One have a faster CPU than the PS4?
>>318300668
Dreamcast and PSP suffered greatly due to their ease of piracy, it's not it matters if it was hard or not anyway.
>>318296480
If consoles are holding back the technology, peecees are holding back good games.
PC has no good games and is the reason that DLC started to exist.
Just bought my PS4 last friday, loving it. And btw I also own a solid PC (GTX 970 meme and i7 2600).
I had more fun with bloodborne than with all my steam games in the last years.
>>318300713
god of war and shadow of the colosus on PC ?
PC gaymers lie again
You guys should be called PinoChios
>>318300797
Slightly, about .15 ghz.
>>318300765
>le Halo is evil meme
>>318296480
>consoles are holding back the technology in games.
>meanwhile this is the PC GOTY
>>318297391
Yes.
8 years ago.
That is dead, forever at this point.
>>318300650
Lol
It only looks good modded, this is highest setting the lighting and water are decent. Textures, geometry, character models are ass
>>318300847
THIS times x1000
Specs and random bullshit are not games
Bloodborne disgaea persona last guardian final fatnasy thats games motherfuckers
>>318300629
You can
Also
>god of war
>good
>>318300849
>PCSX2
God of war is the most cancerous hack n slash created, anyways.
>>318300406
Now it's Nintendo's turn.
* Processor speed: 1.79 Mhz
* Resolution: 256x224 (ntsc) or 256x239 (pal)
* Colors available: 52
* Max Colors on screen: 16, 24 or 25.
* Max sprites: 64
* Max sprites per line: 8
* Sprite size: 8x8 or 8x16
* Picture Scroll: 2 h.v
* RAM: 16 Kbit (2kb)
* Video RAM: 16 Kbit (2kb)
* Min/Max cart size: 192 Kbit - 4 Mbit
* Sound: PSG sound, 5 channels
* 2 square wave
* 1 triangle wave
* 1 noise
* 1 PCM
This is a NES. It's actually fairly simple hardware. The whole reason for things like "Nintendanium" memes are that consoles like the NES are so big and simple there are a lot less points of failure and not to mention the giant fucking encasing on the things that outsize the hardware.
Newer Nintendo consoles are not as great at this for obvious reasons.
>>318300820
>psp suffered greatly due to their ease of piracy
Is that why the PSP sold almost 40 million while the locked brick wall that was the Vita only sold barely over 10 million?
>>318300991
>last guardian
Wasn't even released though.
Also, I highly recommend you take a look at the button on your computer next to the implication sign.
>>318296480
Even if consoles weren't there to "hold back" the technology it wouldn't change much since a budget can only grow ever so large not to mention not enough people would even get top tier rigs to keep up with it.
>>318300765
LucasArts developed good games for consoles too, mate.
>>318300847
>I had more fun with bloodborne than with all my steam games in the last years.
While not with Bloodyborn I like my PS4 more than my PC. There just aren't games like Tearaway, LittleBigPlanet, Ratchet and Clank, InFamous, or Uncharted on PC. All PC had was Valve and now all they do is sell keys.
Pic related is how much I spent to assemble my current rig, and I still use my PS4 more.
>>318296480
This is all true. But consoles are also what allows traditional games to continue existing, so it's not all negatives.
>>318300650
>still using that meme
Yes, it looked great in it's time but not now.
>>318300629
You can. And PC gaming wasn't dead by 2001 so as long as you were older than 5 you probably preferred PC.
>>318300657
Thank you for this post
I absolutelly agree
Its about Videogames people not specs
>>318301114
It's more like why software sales were trash and no one wanted to develop for it. I honestly don't even know a single PSP game. The Vita released in a post-smart phone world so get the shitty comparison out of here you fucking thief.
>>318300657
Console players put as much, if not more of a focus on graphics.
Just look at the people bragging about the ps4 or sitting on the. Wiiu. But that obviously doesn't matter anymore when you compare it to pcs.
Hypocrisy.
>>318300751
>It isn't always, especially for performance critical things like video games.
No, it literally is. You think Unix is the fastest OS? You think OpenGL/DX are "optimal"? Fuck no, but no-one wants to write tedious super-sensitive super-optimised embedded shit and GPU microcode just to do basic tasks.
Abstractions are good, they are what ultimately make these huge difficult projects feasible.
>>318300743
I used to work at EA as an engine programmer but working at EA is shit and doesn't pay well so now I work on servers and get paid a lot more and makeindie games
>>318301114
Yes.
Most people bought a PSP for easy piracy, and never bought games.
The vita would be better if it was pirateable.
>>318296480
if you understood how optimization and software/hardware compatibility worked, you would kill yourself for realizing how retarded your post was.
If devs are making software for one system, with one set of hardware, it's alot easier than making a game with multiple settings to run on multiple systems, on multiple OS's, with multiple CPU's, multiple GPU's etc. Then there's mobile chipsets vs standard,
It's the same reason Iphones aren't shit either.
Anyone who argues with this is a 12 year old "I'm a PC gamer guyz!, RAM GB CORES LMAO, ur a console fag, I only play on my PC that daddy bought me with my good boy funds!"
fuck you're just as bad as "gamer girlz"
also, I haven't bought a console since a month after the ps3 came out, I am just smart enough to understand how the development process works, and how hardware optimization works.
>>318298512
Four games did.
Gran Turismo 4, Tourist Trophy, Valkyrie Profile 2 and (get fucking this, never would have expected this shit), Jackass: The Game.
>>318300407
lol
So this is where the "No one wants to pay 5,000 dollars to play games" argument comes from.
PS2
>300
PC
>3000
>>318301114
>40 million
PSP sold over 80 million, dude. It actually sold incredibly well, more than any handheld managed this gen, it's only fault was having the DS as its direct competitor.
>>318301254
Why do lie?
stop lying these games are not on PC old man
Go play your Ultima bullshit
They only had to spend 400 bucks on those graphics with no assembly required, not upwards of 1000 dollars. It's not a big a head-scratching situation you autistic PKek
>>318301195
What about Metro, then?
You faggots don't understand business at all. Just look at Steam statistics to see how many people actually own a PC worth shit. Nobody who values money at all would make those people their target audience. Just because /v/ is full of elitist people doesn't mean games targeted at them would sell at all.
>>318301015
No you can't
stop lying you scumbags
>>318300657
>Yes, of course, games should be designed for NASA computers in order to facilitate maximum graphical fidelity. As a consequence, exclusively the 0.01% percent should have access to them
It wasn't like that when consoles weren't holding PC gaming back and it won't be like that now. Except for Origin. They really made games for NASA computers to run.
>>318300975
>meanwhile, on consoles
>>318301508
This.
If anyone here is ignorant, it's /v/.
>>318301065
No its not
Its one of the best along side devil may cry and bayonetta
>>318301083
I can handle SEGA.
The SEGA Master System, to this day, is the longest selling console in history, and is SEGA's last console still in production. Why? Let me give you a hint:huhuhaheuheauehuaeheuhae
Zilog Z80, 4 Mhz, 8 kB of system RAM and 8 kB of video RAM
32 colors from a palette of 64, 256 x 192, and get this, RGB with Composite Sync, stock.
Better than the NES, but less games, the Xbox of it's time.
>>318301427
You can play God of War on PC by emulation.
>>318301508
Ehh, different business models. PC games are a steady trickle of income over a decade or more, whereas console games are massively amounts of front-loaded short-term revenue.
>>318300650
Games that look better than Crysis:
Killzone Shadowfall
Driveclub
The Last of Us Remastered
The Order: 1886
Until Dawn
Assassin's Creed Unity/Syndicate
Rise of the Tomb Raider
Ratchet and Clank
Uncharted 4: A Thief's End
Horizon: Zero Dawn
Star Wars: Battlefront
Plus probably some that I can't remember now (notice a pattern?).
And those are merely games that outclass Crysis techinically. I could spend a day listing all the games that artistically make Crysis look like joke. Face it asshole, the PC is the domain of indie developers and eSports garbage now. There will be as many graphical breakthroughs on the PC in the future as third-party support on Nintendo consoles.
And things are only gonna' get better from here on out!
>>318301114
Psp was 80 miles. Piracy doesn't matter. It's a cop out response.
>>318297692
U r dumb
>>318301083
These are the specs of a Gameboy.
CPU:
8-bit Z80 work-alike at 4.194304MHz
RAM:
8kB internal
VRAM:
8kB internal
ROM:
256kBit, 512kBit, 1MBit, 2MBit and 4MBit cartridges are known (32kB, 64kB, 128kB, 256kB and 512kB). Probably, there are 16kB cartridges as well.
Sound:
4 channels each of which can be mapped either to the left or to the right or to both speakers
Video:
Display:
Reflective LCD 160x144 dots
Colors:
4 shades of gray
Sprites:
40 sprites 8x8/8x16
Looking at the Gameboy and imagining having fun playing games on something with such low specs just goes to show how far we've come. Despite what I originally said about consoles, it really does impress me to just take a look at the specs of older hardware and think about the things done on it.
>>318301704
>The last of us remastered
You must be smoking crack you stupid fuck.
>>318301650
You aren't even trying to be subtle with your shitposts.
Next, say it's more difficult than ninja gaiden.
>>318301264
If it was only about videogames we'd get much slower console cycles.
Imagine like... 10 years for a gen since Atari 2600.
We'd live in PSX and N64 era.
>>318301558
>zombies
>not spawning survivors with shotguns
Whoever made this gametype probably lost all his friends
>>318301704
You forgot the obvious:
>Ryse
Which was basically a new Crysis as a tech-demo driven game (except it sucked lol)
>>318301275
>I honestly don't even know a single PSP game.
Then I guess you're unqualified to post about it.
Ace Combat, socom, syphon filter, Metal Gear, Daxter, Field Commander, Wipeout, weeb games galore and as icing on the cake, good emulation of almost every system up to the N64.
>>318301149
the what buton?
which one you mean?
>>318301427
Ultima is great series though. Outside of 8 and 9 that is.
>>318301872
custom game server browser for 5 when?
>>318301297
No, it's literally not.
You are acting like all abstractions are equal. If what you were saying is true then we should all be writing video games in python and fixed function OpenGL because it's "easiest."
After a certain point abstractions hurt too much to be actually useful.
>>318301305
what indie games you made?
Honestly, I am surprised by the amount of non-retarded and non-mustard posts.
>>318301989
>>318301664
Well, Master System is still produced, so does Genesis, but Master System doesn't get new games.
>>318302046
Well, significant chunks of many modern games are written in Lua so, yeah. Give it 10 years.
It was a good thread idea but then the shitposters came.
Oh well.
>>318301508
You mean games like ARMA 3, GTA 5 or Far Cry 4, Total War, or Cities: Skylines? Yeah, they'd be total failures.
>>318301427
hahahaha emulation of ps 2 !
Which runs like shit !
After 15 years !
>>318301847
you just said that i am wrong without any base
Its like i am talking to an animal
You just growl to me
>>318300406
haha fucking radeon based GPU
no wonder they're shit
>>318301664
Thanks
>>318301779
Despite how badly I want to shit post because I had a Genesis growing up, the SNES is the superior hardware to the Genesis.
CPU speed
3.58 MHz
CPU cores
1
Video RAM
64 KB
System RAM
128 KB
For older hardware, numbers like this don't actually paint the full picture even more so than modern consoles with architectural differences, so if you want the full picture of what they were capable of, google it.
You don't understand how gaming as a whole works op.
The modern day consumer considers games as games. Something to pop in and play and end enjoy.
PC players are massive but will always be dwarfed compared to gamers whom choose consoles. Developers need to take in a profit, even more so with development and marketing budgets skyrocketing in the past decade.
If there were no consoles around do you honestly believe that people would just start taking the time out of their day to research parts, build everything and pay twice if not more than $300 to play games?
If consoles didn't exist, people would game significantly less and almost every game made would have a tiny budget because return profit would be low from all the people who just simply don't care enough to to build a rig.
Consoles are literally keeping gaming alive. If you look at recent PC exclusives you'll see that while they may be fine and fun, but they don't hold a candle in comparison to multi plats. Those get more attention because they make more money. To say consoles are holding gaming back is stupid because without consoles gaming would be on fucking life support.
>>318302225
werks 4 me :^)
>>318302179
It doesn't get official new games. I'm sure there's some weirdo in Brazil making games for this thing.
>>318301015
>>318301065
>God of War
>shit
Someone's butthurt they can't get it natively on there peecee's.
If you actually played the games, especially GoW2, natively; you'd shut right up. Are they the best action games? No, the weebshit's got that covered. But they are still great games in their own right.
>>318302175
Yeah ok
>>318300991
>random weeb shit games
>>318302409
Nvidia wasn't competitive price-wise. And, if anything, it's the CPU is actually the thing crippling this gen and why I think it might end up being short. I can see the consoles getting 4K editions in 2-3 years.
>>318302206
>significant chunks
You already are displaying you literally don't know what you are talking about.
Even better if to prove your point you were going to post Crysis as your example, which makes you wrong for a plethora of reasons including how unoptimized Crysis was and the fact that the actual code I'm talking about is not written in Lua and never will be.
>>318302225
PCSX2 has a 94.73% compatibility rate.
This doesn't include games with only slight issues.
>>318302545
Disgusting
>>318302482
fighting game
try to run shadow of the colosus and god of war or silent hill
they gonna crush every 10 minutes
Also ratchet and clank and jack and daxter along side the sly cooper series are missing from the PC library
>>318301449
Which runs at 60fps and 1080p on PS4 now.
And on PC it's still very unoptimized, and an average rig still couldn't handle Metro at how the PS4 is running it.
>>318300847
>>318301170
And if consoles didn't exist these games would be released on PC. It's a piss-poor argument.
>>318301328
Hardware optimisation cannot bridge the gap between current console and PC performance, and that gap gets wider over the course of the generation.
>>318302560
hahahahaha!
MAXIMUM JEALOUSY
ASSBLEEDING !
>>318302448
Can you really say games such as Dota, WoW, and such really don't hold a candle to multiplats? As much as I do not like many of them, their playerbases dwarf pretty much any individual console game.
>>318302409
Radeon GPU's usually have more raw performance than Nvidia GPU's, but more driver overhead, which does not exist on consoles. If the PS4 had a Fury X in it it would be by far the fastest gaming console on earth.
>>318302575
No, the GPU is still the massive bottleneck this gen.
>>318302445
Now we have the gameboy color.
Main processor: Sharp Corporation LR35902 (based on the popular Zilog Z80, 8-bit)
Processor speed: 4.338 or 8.338 MHz (two processor modes)
Resolution: 160 x 144 pixels (same as the original Game Boy)
Palette colors available: 32,768 (15-bit)
Colors on screen: Supports 10, 32 or 56
Maximum sprites: 40 total, 10 per line, 4 colors per sprite (one of which being transparent)
Sprite size: 8x8 or 8x16
Tiles on screen: 512 (360~399 visible, the rest are drawn off screen as a scrolling buffer)
Audio: 2 square wave channels, 1 wave channel, 1 noise channel, mono speaker, stereo headphone jack
ROM: 8 MB maximum
RAM: 32 kB
VRAM: 16 kB
Cartridge RAM: 128 kB
Not much changes from the Gameboy, and I think the pocket is skippable because it's just a rebrand as far as I can remember.
>>318301682
>Here's this expensive game that only a handful of people can actually play but in 5-10 years it might start making bigger sales when more people have tech to actually play it
Good luck getting investors for that.
>>318296480
nice pasta
http://sheekyforums.com/thread/318296480/video-games/i-am-just-realizing-how-much-consoles-are-holding.html
>>318302691
Wonderful argument, man. Wow you really showed me. Guys I need help, somebody please help me. Anon just BTFO'd me right out.
>>318302978
I actually had to chuckle over this.
>all these console fags trying to defend consoles as the life blood of video games
>>318302608
He didn't say anything about it's compatibility, he said it runs like shit. And it does. GC/Wii emulations is so far ahead of PS2 emulation it's not even worth doing if you've been spoiled by Dolphin.
Pic related are my specs, it runs like shit.
>>318296480
>m-muh grapix
Literally who cares.
>>318303037
nice bait.
>>318303080
Is this your mom on the pic?
>>318302815
>And if consoles didn't exist these games would be released on PC. It's a piss-poor argument.
>Games funded by publisher who funded them for the sole purpose of having exclusive games for their console
>They'd be released on PC
PCfats are so fucking retarded I just
>>318302978
Nah, it just explains why shit is getting PC ports these days, despite low short-term sales. Devs are thinking long-term.
>>318297402
>Emotion Engine
>Cell Processor
>Reality Synthesizer
*tips fedora
>>318296480
>I'm some stupid graphics/pc fag
All I read
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/weBmw62.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
>>318302957
These are the specs of the N64.
CPU speed
93.75 MHz
CPU cores
1
GPU speed
62.5 MHz
System RAM
4 MB
I'm not going to bother finding the most accurate spec sheet, because this again is a problem of certain factors like architecture and expansion capabilities. The N64 is more powerful than a PS1, but the PS1 had the ability to do things the N64 couldn't which is why Sony's first console was so successful despite the power of the N64.
Not to mention it's the only time in the history of Sony where they had the best controller option.
h-hey guys c-can't we along just get along and just enjoy games?
>>318303080
How are they not? You faggots just emulate games that wouldn't exist without consoles anyway.
>>318302219
I don't even know what point you're trying to make with that list. GTA and Far Cry are on consoles. Cities runs on a toaster. ARMA and TW are the only legit points, have they sold a lot?
>>318303214
they are .
The denial and the stuborness they have is a medical codition
like a rare mental desease
>>318303037
What the fuck is this site?
Consoles aren't holding back developers.
The wild variety of PC builds is what holds developers back.
The desire to make their games accessible to as many people as possible in order to recoup the development costs and make a profit holds developers back.
Having 0 faith in PC Exclusive Triple AAA titles is what's holding developers back.
Everything else is just a distraction.
The Sega Genesis (Mega Dick for those of you out of town) runs on the same CPU that gaming Macs in the early '90's used, the Motorola 68K at 7.6 Mhz, but interestingly enough, the Genesis also has the Z80 from the SMS inside of it, which can be accessed.
>16 mb of memory total
>4 mb for Genesis
>10 mb for CD
>16 mb for 32x
>360 x 224 or 256 x 224
>GPU based on the SMS's
>Same RGB capability, 16 bit
>>318303348
Tell that to a certain group of gamers that uses as their name certain term certaing nice guys in germany used in 1940.
>>318303340
this
gaming is more than specs
PS1,PS2 and N64 had the best games none can deny that
>>318303080
Is that InCase?
I demand sorce, anon
>>318303519
The... Nazis?
PC gamers have to realize, without consoles, the market would be dead asides from indie games and assfaggots. Multiplat games are made first and foremost for consoles because that's where the money is, Steam is just for double dipping. You don't see Valve making partnerships and ensuring quality PC exclusives are being developed, that's not where the money is. PC is all about tiny purchases: microtrasactions, steam sales, dlc, f2p games, trading cards, etc. Those are the type of exclusive games being made for PC, consoles are literally keeping the scene alive.
>>318303214
Because publishers that fund non-exclusives don't exist?
Here's a fact: companies make a loss on console sales. They have shit hardware, and they mark it down so Timmy Snotnose will get one for Christmas.
They then charge you through the nose for games, which is where the profit margin comes in.
What this encourages is the current console market of generic bullshit with guaranteed sales, because console publishers don't want to pay for anything that isn't going to sell well enough to get them the money they're otherwise bleeding.
>>318303357
so much win
dude he is gonna have a heart attack don't sress him a lot
>>318303340
The n64 also has horrendous display quality due to hardware-based anti-aliasing.
>>318303558
>n64
>>318298263
>overpriced boxes with the 60fps meme feature
>no new games only old one like skyrim
>>318296480
Bb isn't full 30 it drops a lot. Once you play at 69 that shit gets annoying at least maintain a solid 30
>>318296480
Thats not true at all though. The majority of pc users have weaker hardware than current consoles. Just because the newest pc hardware is infinitely more capable doesnt mean pcs are held back by consoles. Potential != actual ability
>>318303636
>Here's a fact: companies make a loss on console sales.
Except that just this year alone the big publishers mentioned that most of their sales came from fucking consoles.
Fucking retard.
>>318302902
As big as their fan bases are they are specific niche titles that the majority of people aren't into. Those type of games are mainly PC based for a reason.
Wow has a huge marketing budget and even commercials on prime time featuring "celebrities" but even after all it's still considered a niche game.
>>318303094
If you overclock to 4 GH/z you should be able to emulate almost every PS2 game except shit like ZoE2.
Dolphin just had some really good programmers come on board which the PS2 has not had as of yet.
>>318303340
These are the specs for my absolute favorite handheld of all time (With the DS as a close second)
The GBA.
Battery life: approximately 15 hours on average while playing Game Boy Advance games (also dependent on the Game Pak being played, volume setting and any external peripherals being used - e.g. a screen light[13])
CPU: 16.8 MHz 32-bit ARM7TDMI with embedded memory. 8 or 4 MHz 8-bit Z80 coprocessor for Game Boy backward compatibility.
Memory: 32 kilobyte + 96 kilobyte VRAM (internal to the CPU), 256 kilobyte DRAM (outside the CPU).
Resolution: 240 × 160 pixels (3:2 aspect ratio).
Color support: 15-bit BGR (5 bits depth per channel), capable of displaying 512 simultaneous colors in "character mode" and 32,768 (215) simultaneous colors in "bitmap mode".
It could "do" some 3d, but all of those games are shit. This thing had a ton of god games though.
>>318303558
Ok most games for PS1 and N64 are only good today because of nostalgia goggles.
If you actually enjoy goldeneye 64 in this day in age, honestly I salute you.
RPG's still hold up well so there's that I guess.
>>318303357
>if some neckbeards on 4chan pirate/emulate game then every PC user does
That's called a fallacy of composition, my little pleb
>>318303773
>wow
>niche
This thread is killing me.
>>318303752
It's not just that.
PC's have INSANE potential power, insane. Essentially, if you have the money to blow you have access to insane power.
However, it is not a smart idea for a developer to market to this tiny part of the market (this is the "PC Master Race" segment) and ignore the rest.
Very few publishers will even accept funding such a massively ambitious project with such a small target market.
>>318303914
What you are doing right now is an argument from fallacy.
>>318303718
They gonna get Dragons dogma on January
>>318303971Valve could, their name alone would guarantee 1m+ sales
>>318303857
It'sfun
>>318303759
CONSOLE MANUFACTURERS.
Console manufacturers make a loss on console sales.
Why would I talk about hardware price if I wasn't talking about console manufacturers?
I don't really understand the whole "consoles are holding back gaming" meme. Yes consoles are less powerful than PC's but the fact that games run at unstable 20-30 FPS is because developers go over the limits of the hardware provided, framerate isn't marketable but still images from the game are. If everyone had PC's developers would still push the hardware and you'd still have variable framerates unless you had the absolute top tier chips. Nintendo games are usually great when it comes to performance, and they have the weakest hardware of all.
What if someone made heavily detailed 3D models and turned them into 2D sprites, so that the GPU only has to load frames instead of 3D rendering? Why don't they make Graphically insane 2D games anymore?
>>318303857
Not excactly sure we have the googles on
but can you say that slient hill resident evil 2, dino crisis, metal gear solid, tomba, crah bandicoot , medievil, spyro the dragon, fianla fantasy 9 , chrono cross, legacy of kainsoul reaver and tons more are not excellent games despite their age?
>>318304028
It would be if I entered the argument, but I'm just mocking you.
>>318304153
Not even Valve can, you overestimate them.
>>318304215
None of the hardware manufacturers went with a loss leading console this gen. They all either launched profitable or became so after about 6 months.
>>318304289
Sprites take up more space than 3d models
>>318300847
du bist doch ein behinderter hurensohn, kek
MUH MUH PUSSY CRUSHER MASTER RACE
![CubeVsWii[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UlPLGSq.jpg "CubeVsWii[1].jpg")
>>318303798
This image is convient, so let's just knock 2 out in one post.
The Wii is nothing but an upgraded Gamecube. You can also note here the Gamecube is not as powerful as a Xbox but is more powerful than a PS2. Also, if you compare these specs to the PS3's specs, which made the console cost an entire 500 dollars, you will quickly see why Nintendo's stock rised the way it did. People were paying over 100 dollars for what was essentially at this point technology wise a toy, and they continued to do so until the Wii U release.
These specs can help put Nintendo's massive money reserve into perspective, that all ignoring the fact they were able to reuse SD assets.
I am guilty of calling Sony Jew's a lot in various threads, but looking at these specs, Nintendo are legitimately thew Jews of the game industry, for better or for worse.
>>318296480
>>>/r/masterrace
Have your little pc cock sucking someplace else please
k thanks
>>318304445
MUH 60FPS !
ITS TOTALLY A GAME !
>>318304174
Far better than the version designed for the cowadooty generation.
>>318296480
I've always found it kind of funny that if you compare the average PC and the average console, console wins every time. Only around 30% of PC users even have 1080p as their desktop resolution and believe it or not, the most popular GPU is an Intel 4800 which is integrated into most modern Intel processors and is based on the Radeon HD 4800 GPU. That GPU barely runs shit like League of Legos
>>318303719
Not only that, but most gamers are well adults....with real world responsibilities.
Now what is that, /v/ may ask? Real world responsibilities? A job?
Well this magical term is actually pretty important to not only being a productive member of society, but also for survival when mommy and daddy don't wanna have there 27 year old son still mooching of them, like most of /v/.
Now in the modern age, we've become dependent on computers; we need them for everything, and that includes these real world responsibilities and jobs.
So what is the average productive member of society gonna get? Well a laptop obviously, it's portable and for that reason.
Now, atleast /v/ has half a brain to know that gaming on a laptop is less than subpar, but an adult in the real world probably needs one; so they'll buy one.
Now they want to have their gaming need fulfilled. Okay it's pretty hard to do on a laptop, and yeah PC's are better, fucking wonderful. But it also means, spending atleast $600 more on to build their own, which is not only expensive but also time consuming; after all they have other responsibilities to attend to.
So why wouldn't they just spend $350 and and get it over with to fulfill there nightly gaming needs?
>>318304559
MUS 4K
>>318297592
It was recently revealed that the Vita CPU cores only run at 300MHz.
>>318297592
Cellphones might be TECHINICALLY powerful then a vita
but due to how they're made, no one can actually reach that power without it getting very very hot
>>318304425
They don't have to make the games, just publish them. I mean shit, that's what they're doing already, only its low budget toaster shit like CSGO and Dota. The have over $2 billion in assets, if Valve really wanted to, they could fund beautiful looking AAA games that push the limits of PC hardware. But naw, let's make more hats for a dead game instead.
>>318304426
>A 2D object takes up more """""space""""" than a 3D object
Ok you do that
>>318303960
When you think about the billions of people who play games worldwide, yes wow is a niche title whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
>>318300765
What did Halo ever do?
>>318304263
>Nintendo games are usually great when it comes to performance, and they have the weakest hardware of all.
Nintendo doesn't push graphical limits.
Its first-party games tend to go for partial or total stylisation, which looks better for lower power.
OP's argument applies to the graphical conflict between consoles and PC trying to achieve the same result: realism, or impressive graphics. Nintendo games try for neither, typically.
>>318304330
>>318304330
Not really. Metal gear solid aged well. Final Fantasy, chromo cross and other RPG's aged well because of simple controls.
Spyro, Crash Bandicoot, and Resident Evil today? C'mon man, they just can't hold up. We've just gotten used to so much better, the game mechanics were fine back then, but they just don't work today. Again, if you can play the Spyro today and still find it just as refreshing, by all means go ahead; that's a feat really.
>>318304626
>4k
Why stop there?
>>318304626
that literally isn't possible yet
They hit like 5 fps with this shit but 5 fps is fine now because MUH 4K !
![dspspiphone[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/qUPSSdj.png "dspspiphone[1].png")
>>318304494
The DS, my second favorite handheld and what I think is probably the best in terms of games (I like GBA best for personal reasons). The image has the DSi specs and the post has the DS specs
Two ARM processors:
32 bit ARM946E-S main CPU; 67 MHz clock speed. Processes gameplay mechanisms and video rendering
32 bit ARM7TDMI coprocessor; 33 MHz clock speed. Processes sound output, Wi-Fi support and takes on second-processor duties in Game Boy Advance mode
4 MB (expandable via the Game Boy Advance slot, only officially used by the Opera web browser).
You can see with the interesting comparison image how far mobile technology has come if you compare phones. You can also see why it took so long for Android to become competitive against Apples monopoly. Imagine running Java on a phone of those specs.
>>318296480
>When I play Bloodborne on my PS4, I was thinking about how it's locked at 30 fps and cannot even keep that frame rate but looks really good, meaning that is probably the absolute best the PS4 can do
There are launch titles that are more impressive visually than Bloodborne, FromSoft games always look like shit for how they run.
>>318304802
Yes, a single 3d model that can be animated in real time takes up much less space than a spritesheet for a single character would. Why don't you use Google some time?
>>318304932
Its old man
you can't expect modern controls for gods sake
The game are clunky for today stadards but back then and even now i personally love playing them
>>318304153
1m is a pathetic number for some supposedly AAAA PC exclusive showcase game.
>>318304935
>>318304954
SERIOUSLY WHO CARES? MUH MASTER RACE
>>318296480
MUH PC NASTER GRAFIX CONSOLE PORTS LOOK BETTER. THOSE CONSOLES THAT SELL WELL AND GET PEOPLE WHO CANT JUSTIFY BUYING A COMPUTER SINCE YOU DONT NEED ONE THESE DAYS ARE RUINING GAMEZ. IF CONSOLE PESANTS DIDNT EXIST GAMES WOULD SELL IN THE LITERAL HUNDREDS UNTIL THEY DROPPED DOWN TO INDER $5. CONSOLES ARE RUINING THE VIDEOGAME INDUSTRY!!
Muh GRAFIX
MUH FRAMERATE
MUH PORTS
>>318304860
Wow easily sold 100mil times over the last decade.
You think some non niche cod shit can compete?
If wow is niche everything is.
>>318304935
200KK !
>>318305010
Yup, anyone whose followed From Software from back in the Kings Field days knows that they are Jank Masters.
Armored Core has always had performance issues, for example.
>>318305119
MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH
>>318305084
well yes, you said it yourself. They are clunky by today's standards, and I know I can't just have that expectation for them to run like today's games, but such is life. Sure they were fun then, but it's just hard to enjoy them now, at least for me.
Feels great when i bought a used PS4 and used bloodborne, I got to play the game at a reduced price and I made sure Sony and From Software didn't get any of my money.
I'll talk about the Saturn really quickly, it's a statement about the console itself: The hardware fucking sucks, so at the last minute, SEGA tried to through in a bunch of shit, making the hardware more difficult to make games on. It couldn't handle 3D.
>>318305043
Let's say the 3D model is so detailed and advanced that a sprite index would be more efficient, how about then?
>>318296480
>blaming the hardware
>not blaming the lazy devs and corporate overlords
All you have you to is look at PC gaming in the 00's to see how hard devs were pushing technology. Half-Life 2 was practically a tech demo for various animation, and physics technologies. F.E.A.R. showed us that AI could be more than circle strafing retardation. DooM 3 showed us hardware could handle real time dynamic lighting.
Today, modern consoles wipe their ass with the PCs of yesteryear, yet graphics and other tech have yet to reach parity with stuff coming out in 2008.
>>318305119
MUH STEAM 5 DOLLARS MINECRAFT GAMES !
>>318304935
Damn, those shadows look like shit. How did I never notice that?
Can't wait to get my PS4 for Christmas!
Consoles just werk
>>318304751
Modern phones, even while under 3d stress do not throttle to the point where they come down to the level of a Vita.
>>318304968
And to top off Nintendo home consoles we have the Wii U.
It is the most powerful out of the 360, PS3 and itself, but unfortunately nobody is using those anymore. Developers however are aware of its limitations and develop with a focus on gameplay so a lot of the games run at nice frame rates. If PS4 games tried to look maybe twice as well or 3 times at most as well as a good looking Wii U game they would all run at 1080p and 60 fps.
>>318305197
>>318305010
Exactly, bloodborne isn't even close to the best looking title on PS4. It's a horrible example really.
Battlefield 4 and Battlefront have so much going on, and still maintain near 60 fps. Bloodborne is poor optimization; but it's stillfun.
Whatchu know bout dat ps5? Tink it be a good thing?
>>318305168
Call of duty has made billions in revenue.
Grand theft auto has also made billions in revenue
Even the halo series which is an Xbox series has made about 3 billion
Wow can make 100mil which is a lot but it's considered niche because it's not selling like some other all star franchises.
>>318305334
It's simply not profitable to push and optimize graphics these days.
Development costs have BALLOONED out of control since the F.E.A.R. days man. Just asset creation for these modern games is insanely expensive.
>>318296480
If From is terrible with optimization, then by what logic are any of their games the maximum potential of the PS4's capabilities? That is a retarded statement to make.
>>318305246
they are 20 years old....
And you still play morowind i bet
whats your point?
that because they are clunky like every old game PC IS BETTER !?
get out of here
>>318305386
there is also the fact that casuals dont really buy real games on mobile devices so that market for real games is pretty bad
>>318305357
>How did I never notice that?
you weren't paying attention and didn't care
It wasn't until last-gen that games started having semi-convincing shadows.
>>318305456
ay mon, walla won can only dream how da fewcha gun b, u know mon?
>tfw realizing PC is almost a thing of the past
Look at the sales of a typical PC game
Skryim Sales By Platform
XBox 360 59 %
Playstation 3 27 %
PC 14 %
>>318305308
You have to understand, 3d models are tiny as shit. The two biggest things that bloat games are textures and uncompressed audio. Essentially what you would be doing is replacing everything with textures. GG doesn't use sprites for this exact reason. If you want sprites that are the same quality as modern 3d graphics, they will be magnitudes larger than 3d models.
>>318305489
achsuclay halol is 5 bill
>>318305264
the game thief !
Buy the games you
Buy them
>>318305264
That's pretty badass, dude. You literally keked them
>>318305489
100mil sales not revenue. When it's about that it shits on everything.
People are so fucking ignorant it's disgusting.
>>318296480
Microsoft is holding games back much more than any console ever will.
>>318305168
Wow is 10 years old, practically free, and was a fad. Of course it will sell a lot. You're cherry picking way too hard buddy. Just grow up already and buy the god tier combo of a Retna MacBook Pro and a ps4.
By this logic isn't everyone who isn't running quad titan x's "holding back technology"?
>>318305520
I like consoles through and through. Yes I still play morrowind though it holds up well.
But so do all the FF games, so does metal gear solid, as well as crash team racing (bless this game oh my god).
But not Goldeneye, not Spyro, or Crash Bandicoot. All I'm saying. If you enjoy em, have at it man; I just don't like I used to.
>>318305629
>If you want sprites that are the same quality as modern 3d graphics, they will be magnitudes larger than 3d models.
When SNK-Playmore did that breakdown of KoFXIII's sprite creation, I knew traditional sprite work was fucking nonviable going forward.
It took them 6 months to make 1 character for that game.
>>318305758
I'm fuck my own mom in the ass for Microsoft to leave gaming forever. I wish SteamOS wasn't a failure.
>>318305693
he did
he was here all along
stealing games
The shadow game phantom man
lets call him like that
