>ghouls are 200+ years old now
>200 years of knowledge, life experience, surviving and fighting in the wastes
>smarter, stronger than humans
>immune to the radiation
And yet somehow they still aren't ruling the world?
I don't understand this plothole.
They're ugly.
If you're ugly, you're not going to be successfull.
>tenpenny tower
>>318285441
They go feral which would make long running organisation difficult.
Its hard to rule the world when most people try to shoot you on sight thinking you're a feral monster.
>>318285441
>expecting good lore in a Bethesda game
>>318285441
They can't reproduce and they go feral.
>>318285441
Most of the midwest is ruled by ghoul civilization if I remember right.
>>318285739
So they're like elves
>>318285660
Except that the Super mutants that plauges DC and hindered development specifically don't bother them.
Why does one group of people that goes under ground for 200 years become the Institute but another that live underground for a continuous 200 years become Underworld?
>>318285441
>Relics. We surpass, they don't know.
This was the most competent ghoul leader that ever lived and in the end he amounted to little more than an ineffectual tool of the master. Why would they own the wasteland?
Not all ghouls are pre war. They're in the minority
Because the uglies don't win in any story.
>>318285441
>implying mutants could ever rise above humanity
I enjoy romping around the wastes as much as the next guy, but this is one of the most immersion breaking things in the fallout universe. You mean to tell me it's been TWO HUNDRED YEARS, and we've got high tech factions running around. And people are still living in ruins? The average settler just takes up in these abandoned shacks. Fuck, even in the iron age we had the capabilites to build structures that didnthe look like shit. You're telling me pal are happy with just scavving prewar shit? The Bros of steel need military assets, they have hundreds of skilled technicians scientists and engineers, and they can't get a mining and smelting line up? No factories? NOT IN TWO HUNDRED YEARS? I'd get it if it was like 30 years but 200?
>>318285739
some go feral, some don't.
>>318286169
Smelting is going on. You didn't play The Pitt?
>>318285914
Elves make cookies your fucking piece of shit
>>318286169
yeah basically, the war looks like it's on a similar level of human annihilation as the black death, and 200 years after that humanity had recovered.
>200 years of knowledge, life experience, surviving and fighting in the wastes
also slow growing insanity, physical degradation, and being shoot-on-sight for most human settlements because they look like fucking zombies
>smarter, stronger than humans
they're neither, they're just not inhibited by pain or strain like humans are
>immune to radiation
healed actually, which is completely retarded, but whatever
the radiation is also what makes them go insane, along with being ancient and having their brains literally rotting in their skulls
Never understood why they don't use all the contaminated material as a defense for a ghoul homeland.
The ferals would make excellent guard dogs/shock troops.
Ghouls need a leader with vision.
>>318285959
A big pack of MIT students and researchers hunkering down in a bunker for 200 years are going to be doing very different things than a pack of random chucklefucks that happened to catch just the right amount of radiation to be ghoulified.
>>318286313
I actually did not. And I've never seen any evidence of manufacturing outside of that.
>>318286337
Ghoul cookies infinity superior
>>318285441
They aren't stronger than humans.
And they aren't entirely immune either... anymore radiation and their brains will melt. Then they become feral ghouls.
>>318286430
Because continuous radiation exposure seems to be a strong contributing factor to them turning feral.
Dont ghouls have -1 str and end deduction in Tactics?
Fairly certain not all ghouls were necessarily created during the great war.
>>318285914
Silly anon. Elves only go feral in the sack.
>mfw getting to the glowing sea and clmoping thru in my power armor shooting everything that moves
Why don't Super Mutants and Ghouls for an alliance to take over the world? Ghouls have the brains, Mutants ahve the muscle.
>>318285441
>their numbers a much smaller
>they're still mortal enough to be killed by anything
>Possibility of regressing to a feral state
Underworld might have been a city of ghouls, but the rest of the Capital wasteland outnumbers them.
>>318286891
Yes, but Bethesda's writers have neither.
>>318286816
>that amazing body
>the anatomy on the body is amazing
>that generic anime face
I'll never understand the japs. They draw such fappable bodies, but fuck the faces.
>>318286891
>Ghouls have the brains
Wrong. A prime mutant is easily smarter than all but the most intelligent ghoul. Did you never play fallout 1?
>the FO4 ghoul models
>>318286891
Mutants have both brains and muscle, bro.
>>318285587
>>318286862
>mfw getting to the glowing sea and realizing it's fucking nothing
Beyond the constant, game-breaking bugs, crashes, weapon glitches, and just general shitty programming, there's just so much wasted potential in both the Radiation Storms and the Glowing Sea.
It should have been a place where you fucking NEED a hazmat suit, or a suit of power armor with high rad-resist. Instead it's just a place where you can drop a couple Rad-X and forget there was ever a problem.
>>318286609
No they are immune you retard
They get isolated for long periods of time then go feral
stupid Fallout 3 bethesdrone
>>318287037
I concur.
>>318285875
Kinda like real life
>>318286636
When that happens they get put in the "Open in the case of emergency." Pen.
How many years can you reasonably expect to be non feral?
100 150.
Someone who dedicates themselves to a subject can learn a great deal in that span.
Imagine a ghoul Einstein with 150 years to work with.
When his time comes into the pen he goes and still serves the ghoul homeland.
>>318285441
Super mutants don't bother ghouls and no one besides ghouls can come near the museum because of the super mutants. This begs the question, why does Underworld need a sentry?
Reminder that radiation does not turn you into a ghoul, and that ghouls should only exist around and downwind of the West-Tek facility.
>200 years later
>no greenery
Would fallout 3 be more rea;istic if it was set 10 years after the bombs?
Also, yes, I am aware that 1 and 2 (the best in the franchise) came before fallout 3, I'm just talking hypotheticals.
>>318287343
In case a big group like BoS coming to fuck them up,or a non mutie coming to trade that needs help to reach underworld.
>>318287454
There is no greenery because is october in boston
>>318286468
There is a working smelter thing in the commonwealth taken over by some crazy cult raiders
>>318287408
Is this a true statement?
The Fallout bible is to Fallout what C0DA is to TES.
>>318287343
They're right near a BoS outpost, even the "good" BoS tends to shoot ghouls on sight.
>>318287546
What about conifers? What about grass? It's almost fucking december here in Wisconsin and I still have a green fucking lawn, bro
Isn't it cannon that all ghouls EVENTUALLY go feral given enough time?
That always pissed me off that in 3 and 4 you're supposed to be a bigot if you don't like ghouls. I don't want to take an unnecessary risk of being killed in my sleep by a fucking monster. Ghouls keep walking.
>>318287546
What about conifers, m8
what's the canonical ending?
I assume it's the institute ending because finally father and son is reunited and humanity is on a trajectory to rebuild.
Is there an ending where you just kill all the factions?
>>318287494
How exactly is one ghoul with a laser rifle supposed to stop a BoS gank squad?
>>318287408
That statement has been amended by everyone who worked on the original fallout. Right dosages of radiation on the right person is the definite canon for ghouls now.
>>318287682
>Canon
There is no canon ending. The next fallout is going take take place 100 years later with no one mentioning anything about Boston other than the 'Synth Crisis" is this your first Bethesda game?
>>318286891
Ghouls and mutants DID team up in FO1.
>>318286169
some raiders manage to drain the quarry and were setting up some work there in between sniping up convoys.
In fallout 4, there is a lot of actual development going on. Atomic Cats have a shit ton of scavenged shit and workstations capable of repairing pre-war technology, and the generator using fusion cores.
>>318285601
This. Also they cant breed. Its hard to keep a civilization going when your the last of it. Also they seem like they live in constant pain. They will eventually go feral.
>>318287037
>but fuck the faces
Yep, their faces usually do get fucked.
>>318287454
If you want realism, anything that got irradiated enough to mutate would just die. The water would look crystal clear and not polluted like it did in fo3 because nothing would survive. Hoping for a mod or to just rip foliage meshes and textures from skyrim to fix that in my game
>>318286891
Super Mutants are extremely smart.
>>318287891
Not really, the mutants just pushed the ghouls around
>>318287891
>team up in FO1
It's not much of a team up when one side actively plots against the other one.
>>318285959
God that was retarded. Wow this place is impressive, what did it use to be some secret prewar think tank? Lol no it was a college basement that we somehow turned into a paradise despite having no industrial grade manufacturing tools.
>>318287454
It's based around the 50's mindset of what would happen if nuclear armageddon happened as implied by the 50's future aesthetic, pre-bombing. I don't know exactly how it would turn out but I would guess all nukes going off at once would have a very different aftermath than an isolated area affected by a nuke. You also got things like Megaton, where a nuke could still go off, so there could be random explosions going off irradiating the area again.
>>318287856
It was only 10 years between FO3 and 4. Does anything from that get mentioned?
>>318286169
>yfw the player character in Fallout 4 has access to produce 2x2x2 meter perfect square blocks of concrete to create foundations for shacks made of scrap
>>318286169
Not to mention all the housing looks like cobbled together shit you'd make to temporarily live in for like a month while you get proper buildings up. It's all made of corrugated iron and mismatched scavenged metal plates. What, did everyone completely forget how to make fucking brick and mortar?
>>318288334
do you know how?
>>318287856
>>318288232
I don't know nigger, we have the wasteland survival guide in every game since 3, so that proves moira got helped out.
We got raiders out the asshole so the wanderer sided with Ashur in the Pitt. Its also how they got scavenged power armor
The brotherhood of steel is clearly not nuked to oblivion, so it confirms that the wanderer worked for the BOS and didn't nuke the pentagon.
The BOS have gauss rifles, so the wanderer helped out OA.
>>318287197
Just like West-Tek
>>318287636
A nuke hit West Tek, the facility researching the Supersoldier serum, FEV.
The radiation mutated the virus, and the explosion spread it on the four winds.
People affected by the virus were mutated to be like super mutants, but only in the most shitty way.
Vault 12/necropolis happened because the seals failed over time, allowing the mutated FEV to seep in as well
>>318287818
Got something to back this up?
>>318285441
>stronger than humans
Ghouls are more agile, not stronger than humans. It's why Raul in FNV is one of the companions with better agility than the others. There's also a lot of ghoul NCR veteran rangers too.
>>318287998
>>318288015
Never said it was a mutually beneficial relationship. But ghouls and mutants working together to take over the world was THE plot of FO1.
>>318288396
Brick: shape clay, put on fire.
Admittedly I don't know how to make mortar, but I'm sure someone could figure something out if it was directly related to how they were gonna live AND they had years to work at it. I don't know, stone dust mixed with some kinda adhesive paste?
>>318288537
>Got something to back this up
Google it, it got cleared up at around the same time as the radscropion origin debacle. As to whether they are a product of radiation or airborn FEV.
>>318288565
Remember when in Fallout 1 you get to Necropolis and all ghouls have crippled legs, causing them to shamble around?
And Raul? well, he's mexican living in America, so of course he has higher agility.
The ghouls being able to run around fast is just bethesda making shit up
>>318288695
>ghouls and mutants working together
If your criteria is that low for working together might as well as humans to that list as well. (i.e. the children of the cathedral)
>>318287667
Are you an idiot
>>318288232
Maxson and Macready were in Fallout 3.
Numerous references are made to the Capitol Wasteland.
The BoS chapter in the Commonwealth is the same that occupied the Citadel in Fallout 3.
>>318286169
There were lots of adobe houses in Fallout 1 and 2, especially in Shady Sands. Bethesda just doesn't know shit about fuck.
>>318288729
Well when you got bandits attacking, mutants, and all other sorts of insane wild life, taking the time to build something out of brick and mortar isn't gonna help.
>>318288695
>working together
the master was going to kill the ghouls, and none of them were actually involved with it. "them working together" amounted to "Necropolis was occupied by mutants and eventually the mutants kill all the ghouls anyways"
Seems like most ghouls who were around when the bombs went off are pretty understandably fucked in the head from witnessing the end of civilization. Try organizing a large ruling force when most of your people are cynical and physically/mentally fucked up.
they're not ALL 200 years old. radiation still creates new ones. and why create a civilization that won't get passed down to anyone? they might be "immortal" but they still die easily
>>318289590
Reminder that pre-war life was fucked, resources were scarce, and people were starving.
>>318288537
The one guy you kill for Valentine's quest, Moira Brown, Vault Tec Rep, Hancock are all proof
>>318285441
Are there any "good looking" ghouls? I don't mean exceptional but more along the lines of non ghoul looking.
>>318289630
>no option to turn people into new ghouls using radiation damage weapons
wasted potential
>>318289775
For some reason half the women who play these games want to fuck Charon if that counts for anything.
>>318289762
>Bethesda
>Lore
good one m8
>>318289762
The fact that there are ghouls at all on the east coast is proof.
>>318289880
Raul was ghoulified in Mexico, senpai.
>>318287060
This right here. I was expecting them to look like ghouls not Freddy Kruger
>>318289756
Don't forget the new plague and the mass riots.
>>318287060
>ghouls with perfect heads of hair
Well lore'd my friend.
>>318289880
Okay. Raul
>>318289775
The Mysterious Stranger
You forgot
>They're in the minority
>They can't reproduce
>They're still mortal
>They eventually become feral
>Everything short of super mutants treats them like shit
>>318289775
Fallout 4 has some qt ghouls
>>318290032
>>318290242
Wind patterns, ocean currents, good luck trying to get an airborne virus across the mainland
>>318290556
>normal looking person with bad skin and no nose
No matter how much I want to fuck some of the ghouls in FO4 I still miss their older look.
>>318290556
Y'know if I came out from 200 years of being radiated looking like that I really wouldn't be upset. Could probably even get a fake nose and look like a tan burn victim.
>>318287037
>that amazing body
>the anatomy on the body is amazing
>that generic western comic face
>>318290556
I haven't played FO4 yet but why does she have a full head of hair
>>318290950
It is never explained.
My guess is that Bethesda didn't want to create new sets of hair specifically for ghouls and just threw them on there.
>>318290950
It's not unheard of.
Ghouls can have hair, facial hair, or normal voices in canon
>>318289398
But what about people living in Diamond city? They have a big wall protecting them, they should have been able to make bricks instead of shit shacks.
>>318291237
Bethesda games aren't canon
>>318285441
theyre weaker than your average meatbag, the whole rotting thing and all
>>318291540
Dean Domino, Jason Bright
>>318287024
>>318290950
It's a wignah just kidding, plot holes
>perk to become a ghoul
>doesn't change your appearance or voice
0/10 fuckin gey
>>318291839
but you're still human... on the outside!
>>318290903
This is better than 99% of the western comic faces out there
>>318291630
Just because they aren't voiced by Mike Rosson doesn't mean their voices are normal.
Although Chris Haversam is normal but sounds like a ghoul
hmm...
>>318290903
That's more superior than tiny mouth big eyed jap drawings.
>>318291916
>Be secret ghoul
>Give crotch rot to every skankasaurus in the wasteland
>>318286362
Its a LOT larger than the black death. California in modern time has 30 million people, and the NCR is the largest nation postwar with only 100,000 people. Also add the fact that only people in the USA had the vault system.
>>318290205
What is a wig?
>>318290556
why are ghouls sexy now?
>>318289398
Raider attacks wouldn't be constant in the real world, even America does have the ammunition lying around to sustain all of the fighting that goes on in any Fallout game.
>>318290556
>That missing nose
>An extra hole
>>318289880
NMA pls go.
>plothole.
probably the fact that they're killed off at a moments notice for being ugly. or a random person mistakes them for a feral and fills them full of holes.
>stronger
Not by much.
>>318292502
A dumb convenience used to explain inconsistencies.
>>318290556
thats one thing I was wondering too. its like they forgot ghouls didn't have hair(or much hair) in the other games. its just weird looking seeing them with their fucked up faces but perfectly intact and groomed hair.
>>318285441
They're not necessarily that old.
Why is there no ghoul in Groucho glasses? It seems like it would be a perfect fit for a unique item.
>>318290556
I won't lie, she's kind of cute...
>>318292907
You find a bunch of wearable wigs in Fallout 4.
>>318285441
>Very rare compared to the number of people who died or became feral from radiation exposure
>Stigma attached to them due to their appearance, so for years the best they could expect was to be avoided or mocked, with the average situation being that they were mistaken for a feral and shot
>Their minds eventually deteriorating to the point where they are ferals is a very real possibility
>They can't breed
Not all ghouls are hardened survivors or even 200 years old. As I recall, only a few of the ghouls in Fallout 3 were actually pre-war. Fallout 4 has more pre-war ghouls but most have relied on the charity of others who are willing to protect them.
>>318293260
You find literally 1 kind of wig, and I've never seen a ghoul with a pompadour. It's lazy nevertheless.
>>318288280
not only that but the PC has the knowledge to craft industrial strength water purifiers using scrap.
>>318290903
>>that generic western comic face
Dude I wish, I'd actually have a reason to pick up western comics, 99.999% of faces aren't nearly that good.
>>318285914
Ghouls don't kidnap and eat your children.
Sappy tree-huggers are infinitely worse.
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>>318286169
>skeletons just left lying around in the diner
no wonder they dont have any customers
>>318287024
Another faggot trying to be clever and funny. Why would they need strength? You stupid putrid cunt.
>>318287037
>HURR
>>318294309
to beat the shit out of those who dont like their games.
>Isolation makes them go feral
Meanwhile at the kid that spent 200 years in a fridge and is perfectly ok
>>318294309
Why so sour?
>>318294309
Cool off todd, dream boy's out back.
>>318285914
And have you noticed how in every medium, elves are the fading power filled with useless ennui, while humans actually run shit?
There are plenty of people who died at over 90 who never accomplished jack shit in that time.
And by far most ghouls became irradiated and changed long after the bombs dropped, the 200 year old ghouls are a rarity.
>>318294528
It's not so bad if you sleep through it.
>>318292281
>and the NCR is the largest nation postwar with only 100,000 people
You're forgetting however, that for every 1 normal person in the wasteland there's at least 200 raiders. Considering the 100,000 people living in the NCR, there'll be at least 200,000,000 raiders. Thanks Bethesda.
>>318294528
he retained the innocence of childhood or something, idk.
>>318285441
where did you get the impression they are stronger then humans?
>>318288537
The British ghoul from point lookout was made into a ghoul before the war
>>318285441
If ghouls go feral, isn't the morally right thing to do to kill them or at least keep them far away from civilization?
>>318286245
Fallout 1 and 3 both state that it's the end goal.
Some may take longer than others but the end result is they go feral.
You will go feral it's just a question of when.
>>318289398
Cause a wall has never help anyone before.
>>318286169
I would imagine a lot of the earth's resources were destroyed when the bombs fell
>>318286169
Bethesda's issue. Obsidian's games have a lot of primitive housing that isn't ruins based, and the people who do live in ruins don't just live in fucking tin shacks sometimes with literal skeletons sitting around.
To be fair, though, I don't fully agree that they should be on a medieval level of tech as far as architecture goes. The amount of necessary looting and murdering that went on following the bombs dropping completely fucked society, and I could see the ramifications of that lasting a long time. Society as a whole has to get to a place where they have a basic level of trust in one another before large scale building projects can happen. This is why usually the only ones with any real shit are factions large enough to watch each other's backs.
>>318295548
???
Where is this mentioned?
>>318291540
But they are. Bethesda could put fucking Draenei in Fallout, and no matter how people bitched it'd be canon because they own the series.
>>318296593
It's like watching some shitty robot with a crap A.I trying to figure something out
>>318296648
So do you also support pay to win games?
>>318294528
don't ghouls need water to survive?
>>318285441
Because of the stigma of being a ghoul and the racist tendencies of humans.
>You are now aware that all of fallout is allegory for the plight of the african-american
>>318296593
>people move into Sanctuary
>they start hammering on the houses
>think to myself "Sweet, maybe the homes will look more like pre-war homes with a fixed roof and walls
>nothing changes
>>318294309
umad?
>>318295654
Nah man, anyone that doesn't love ghouls by default is a BIGOT.
>>318296593
That's why he's enemies with the brain in a jar, they were rivals before the war and they both used experimental ways to keep themselves alive after the war so they could kill each other.
>>318296593
He tells you.
>>318290903
I didn't so much mean generic, as I did totally anatomically wrong, and horrible looking.
At least western designs look like real human faces.
Also, you picked the worst picture possible to argue your base.
>>318287037
Anime faces are fine, a lot of anime characters would look line genuine shit if they drew them realistically.
>>318298093
>>318298102
Thanks Bethesda
>>318287037
>>318285697
Explain why they don't rule the region in NV.
>>318298937
Fuck, that reminds me i totally forgot to check out /k/ to see how badly they sperged out about this stuff.
They must have had a field day with this. I don'T even care about muh realism with guns in games but even i realized how retarded FO4 weapons are.
>>318285441
In Fallout 2 Gecko ghouls claimed that they won't last much longer without extensive medical care. They also can't reproduce, have troubles running, and in fact are physically weaker than humans.
The biggest problem is that they're dying out and can't reproduce, really.
>>318286313
>bunch of backwater savage raiders can get an ammo press running and steel cutting on masse
>advanced trained soldiers with knowledge of prewar equipment and examples can't produce their ammo, let alone armor without stealing and striping a better armies
>>318299907
Well I wouldn't call Pitt slavers savages, it's led by an ex BoS guy, scavengers and raiders bullied into being henchmen.
>>318286862
>playing on survival
>quest to go to glowing sea
oh fuck mate better buckle up
>put on my power armor
>get my radx ready
>go in
>its fucking nothing
>deathclaws die in 3 shoots
>scorpions biggest problems since they burry and hide
>i take 0 dmg form anything
woop de fucking doo
so this is the power of the hardest location of on the hardest difficulty?
>>318287343
There might be other ghouls that want to fuck with them?
>>318300301
Have you ever gone to the Courier's Mile in LR?
>>318299276
Why would they? Where would all the ghouls to rule come from? Why would they decide to organize?
The larger Ghoul-communities on the westcoast like Dayglow and Necropolis are part of the NCR and the mojave is largely unpopulated Desert without much backround radiation because the bombs didn't really hit the region outside of Vegas itself.
It's never implied, but i would think any human or ghoulified human who wanted to live under a civilized goverment would just head west. Ghouls in the NCR have their own city-states and serve in the Army.
The people that could build something were trapped inside vaults. Ghouls were just useless people.
>>318300301
The entire game feels like that.
I'm level 50 with 63 hours played and the only particularly challenging thing I've ran into was the raider with a fatman early in the game. Everything else has just been completely boring.
People bitch about New Vegas having things like cazadores and deathclaws blocking the quickest path to The Strip but holy shit the world is so boring without things like that.
>>318300950
I thought the quickest way was to skip trough Black mountain.
Just sneak past the super mutants and up the hill where the big ass rock rolls down and your golden.
>>318300719
the what? in what?
motherfucker, speak english
>>318289756
Seemed like they were doing ok in Fallout 4 :^)
>>318301321
>Courier's Mile in Lonesome Road
Did you play New Vegas? It was a section of the Divide that is freshly nuked by the player. It was hard as balls and filled with rads.
>>318301321
A location known as Courirers Mile in a DLC called Lonesome Road which was sold by a company called Obsidian for a game known as Fallout:New Vegas, which was released on several gaming platforms in the year of the Lord 2010.
>>318285587
>mfw I saw those fuckers killed everyone there anyway
Fuck Roy Philips and faggots
>>318288059
>Lol no it was a college basement that we somehow turned into a paradise despite having no industrial grade manufacturing tools.
Perhaps there was construction already going on and eventually they began using corn oil and advanced plastics research for shit.
>>318288450
>We got raiders out the asshole so the wanderer sided with Ashur in the Pitt. Its also how they got scavenged power armor
Not necesarrily. You've still got shitloads of raiders who might've ran or slavers that had no buyers.
>scavenged armor
I don't see the connection
>>318286169
These are the same people who decided that Little Lamplight existed for 200 years.
>>318295654
That's how it worked in Diamond City before McMick kicked them out. 1 turned feral in it's entire history.
>>318285441
> STRONGER
They live longer, not sire of they're stronger cause of muscle damage and shit
>>318300917
The majority of vaults were incredibly under populated. I would imagine a lot of the people who were eligible for vault were left out, and some of them became ghouls.
>>318288450
>raiders prove The Pitt mattered
That's just a design decision. Raiders are literally bandits from Skyrim.
>gauss rifles
I see you never played Fallout before FO3 then.
>love RPGs like Icewind Dale, Baldur's Gate, Fallout 1 and 2
>New Vegas was entertaining and I liked the branching questlines
>VtM:B was amazing
>Fallout 4 comes out and manages to disappoint me in every fucking way possible and even some new ones
Why anons? Why can't we get good RPGs?
>>318294812
With the exception of Elder Scrolls
Can you see your body when you look down in first person view in Fallout 4?
>>318285441
>stronger than humans
They're weaker.
>>318302893
You might be fooled considering how fucking hard ferals hit.
>>318300950
If you want a challenge try doing a melee run. No power armor.
PA kinda makes the game a bit too easy for my tastes in general. Granted Melee can get stupidly powerful if you spec it right, but its balanced by being pretty damn fragile at least.
>>318302857
of course not, this is Bethesda we are talking about.
>>318303030
They also go to pieces pretty easy.
>>318297007
Especially the part where they go feral amirite
>>318303503
thats end not str
>>318299609
I've seen the /k/ threads about the Fallout 4 weapons. They were actually liking the customization system and Combat Shotgun being fixed, and were sperging out more about everyone's lack of trigger discipline.
>>318287668
If the vault tek guy you meet at the start of FO4 never went feral in 200 years, then no, not all ghouls go feral.
>>318299609
/k/ doesn't even talk about Fallout 4. It's about as relevant to them as Borderlands i.e. not a lot.
>>318303925
Just because he hasn't gone feral doesn't mean he won't.
>>318303030
Dudes with baseball bats hit harder.
>>318304181
>>318303925
I think it's like Ghoul cancer.
You might live to 115 and avoid cancer, but eventually, you will.
>>318303925
He was kept alive because of his lust for revenge on the list.
>>318300301
I was so disappointed you didn't get to fight some super giant ultra flying flame breath Deathclaw or perhpaps a deathclaw/scorpion/behemoth hybrid, whatever. There isn't A SINGLE new enemy type in the most potentially interesting zone in the game and the radiation isn't really that strong, I mean what the fuck
>>318304181
200 years. He was the first ghoul ever created and lived through 200 years of shit, yet there's not an ounce of feral in him. He proves that not all ghouls go feral.
>>318300950
>see bandit with Fat Man
>sneak up to him
>He sees me
>"Surely he's not dumb enough to shoot the Fat Man point blank"
>He fucking does
But what's worse
>Go behind stairs
>He shoots Fat Man
>No damage to him whatsoever
At that point I just gave up and tgm'd his ass. If the game doesn't want to play fair why should I?
>>318288729
> I don't know how to make mortar,
Ashes, pitch and soft mud / clay.
>>318304585
All he proves is that it's possible for ghouls to stay unferal for a long period of time. It doesn't prove that he won't go feral.
>>318303403
I heard that melee makes the zombie DLC easy because you can pick up a crowbar and become god.
>>318290556
>>318290812
I missed when ghouls were actually scary looking and gave reason why everyone wanted to run away from them.
Some of them even look badass looking like the triggermen guarding good neighbor and that one ghoul guarding the Cabot House.
What the fuck happened?
>>318296593
>hover the mouse over the .gif preview
>he's thrusting at the wall
>>318285914
>>318285739
should be more like VtM vampires imo
really goal oriented, trying to keep focused so they don't go feral
>>318303925
Its sort of a degenerative disease, probably due to the dose of radiation they have. I'm not sure if all will go feral or not, but some people have the concern that its only a matter of time.
>>318304796
>"All ghouls go feral"
>Not all ghouls have gone feral
>Prewar ghouls exist that have not gone feral, proving that there is no time limit on their sanity
>"N-no they all go feral!"
Whatever helps you sleep at night. You've obviously murdered a lot of sane ghouls with that manufactured justification of yours.
>>318285441
Who says they are smarter and stronger than humans? I'd imagine they'd wouldn't have any increase in intelligence just by being ghouls and they might be weaker than humans since they are falling apart.
>>318286169
>200 years after war
>people find time to build cities from scrap
>for some reason, ALL OF THE FLOORS still have pre-war garbage and clutter
>even though brooms are a collectible in-game item
>>318288948
Are there any New Vegas references in FO4?
>>318305460
But anon, now you can build houses with no clutter on the ground. See? It just works. Buy my game.
>>318301178
That's another way. Shit, there's like 3 or 4 different ways to get to vegas no one talks about
>>318287054
There should have been a leader for the eastern supermutants. Imagine meeting the smug lieutenantesque fucker behind all the mutants in 3 and 4
>>318301178
YOu can kind of just walk there straight through the dangerous deathclaw/cazador zone jsut don't go off the main road.
>>318292639
why now?
>>318305914
It wouldn't have been good enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U9T8Z_Ayhw
>>318285587
If you murder roy phillips immediately after letting them in you can save everyone except Allistair Tenpenny. I usually just kill the ghouls though.
Tenpenny was actually a pretty decent dude desu. Sure he wanted to destroy Megaton, but didn't he tell Burke to relocate them to the tower? and he doesn't take that much convincing to let the ghouls in, either.
>>318306123
>but didn't he tell Burke to relocate them to the tower?
I seriously fucking doubt Mr. Tenpenny wanted the residents of Megaton living in his town.
>decent dude
If killing kids and innocent people is ok, I guess he's a post apocalyptic Mr. Rogers.
>>318306041
can ghoul pussy still get wet?
>>318285441
Ghouls in Fallout 1, 2, and in some cases New Vegas are not very strong. They may live longer, but their muscles have wasted away. Hence why ghouls in the first two games are really fucking slow and why some ghoul characters in NV complain about aches and pains. They're not really fit to take over the wasteland if they're slowly degenerating physically.
Bethesda chose to ignore this because reasons, also because fast zombies are totally cool and Fallout should have fast zombies.
>>318306360
I'm absolutely certain he told Burke to relocate the citizens of Megaton. I may be inventing that he told him to invite them into the tower, but he's at least willing to let the ghouls in if the residents are agreeable.
>>318306402
ghouls are always and everywhere wet
>>318306556
>but he's at least willing to let the ghouls in if the residents are agreeable.
This is true
>I'm absolutely certain he told Burke to relocate the citizens of Megaton.
This doesn't make him decent
>>318306701
>Ms.Pinky
>No Pinky finger attachment.
The prostate doesn't need a fist. That loosens your ass.
>>318306717
what exactly did he do that was bad besides wanting a shitty shanty town gone, that they retardedly built around an active atom bomb?
>>318299609
/k/ fag here. It is way easier to make stamped metal submachine guns than the complicated pipe guns that are in FO4. Too many things could go wrong with these pipe abominations.
Some perfect examples are the Sten Gun from WW2 and the Mac-10/11.
Customization is nice though FO4.
>>318306993
>old fallout games have sten guns
>new ones don't
sadness
Why cant I build houses that dont look like piles of shit? Why cant I use clean materials to build modern looking buildings?
The problem I'm having with "civilized" ghouls is that they're invariably portrayed as good characters.
Kind of like how minorities in today's world are incapable of being evil, only misguided.
What I'd like to see is a faction of ghouls that are intelligent, civilized but also straight up evil.
No "we were mistreated so it's payback time" angle, no chip on their shoulder, just straight up evil.
Instead the villains of these games tend to just be well-off white people.
>>318306987
>what exactly did he do that was bad besides wanting a shitty shanty town gone
Disregarding the lives of the people living there?
>that they retardedly built around an active atom bomb?
Bethesda being shitty here doesn't absolve Tenpenny.
The bird feeders around in my neighbors yard annoy me, but I didn't poison the seeds and watch them die.
>>318302391
They heal from Radiation, don't need to eat or drink, etc
>>318307336
>ghouls is that they're invariably portrayed as good characters.
This isn't true and you haven't played any of the games. Fuck off /pol/.
>>318299907
The BoS' problem is that they're explicitly using the leak of pre-war tech; high grade precision-machined weapons and armor with incredibly complex components.
>>318285441
>>318307563
Name 2 nonferal straight up evil ghouls, excluding Roy Phillips
>>318299816
According to tabletop tho, they're REALLY lucky.
>>318307336
There's entire gangs of triggerman and straight up good neighbor mobsters that are ghouls just for the sake of making money off chems
>>318307459
Megaton is a shitheap producing nothing of value while actively empowering criminal elements like Jericho, Moriarty, etc.
Tenpenny didn't have a good reason for wanting it gone, but the place isn't worth shit. If anything, it's one less atom bomb laying around.
