Hello, I am the best Zelda game.
more like the only good zelda game
hi
>>318263856
Hey nice to see ya again, how long has it been?
>>318263929
Twilight Princess had Midna. That alone must be worth something.
>>318263856
That isn't A Link to the Past
>>318263856
That definitely does not look like Wind Waker. You fucked up.
It was up until the final boss, thing was boring as fuckprobably because I was using the fierce deity mask
Only bosses I liked were Gyorg, and Odolwa. the others weren't particularly challenging
>>318263856
Hey, it's me, best Final Fantasy game! Just stopping by to say hi!
>>318267468
The idea of the final boss is a lot cooler than the execution, you weren't missing much.
>>318263856
>>318267629
Yes and Yes.
>>318263856
Hey mang
>>318263856
I think that OOT is a lot better in terms of content. MM having only four areas and dungeons is inexcusable to me. Granted, they're well designed, but more of the game is spent backtracking and completing quest.
Amazing atmosphere, great questing system, but OOT is better in terms of content.
Besides, that's not Windwaker.
>>318263856
Not with those dungeons you're not. Even Twilight Princess is better than you
>>318267629
This is better than any Zelda game.
>>318273014
OoT a respectable.
WW a shit.
>>318273214
I will fight you.
>>318273827
If you care about dungeon and world design, WW is very nearly the bottom of the barrel. You can't complain about Majora's Mask's four excellent dungeons and then give a pass to Wind Waker's five terrible ones.
>>318266474
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1uOXcN4UJCI
Hello, I am the best game within my respective series. Point out a better one, oh wait you can't
>>318273169
>muh dungeons
Git good m8, they aren't bad at all.
Besides, it isn't the dungeons for. It's the story and atmosphere.
>>318274236
Story and atmosphere that's tightly integrated into gameplay, which is the important part.
>>318274236
>Git good m8, they aren't bad at all.
Great Bay is the worst in the series and only havin 4 is pathetic
>Besides, it isn't the dungeons for. It's the story and atmosphere.
Wind Waker trumps it those categories making the game even more pointless.
>>318263856
*tips fedora*
>>318273014
Not saying that OOT is bad. I played that one before Majora.. Like, a long time before Majora. But the story line as well as the game content is much more complex in Majora's mask. You can beat the game and still not come close to collecting or completion of the full storyline
>>318274617
>You can beat the game and still not come close to collecting or completion of the full storyline
Because the experience in MM isn't complete until you've gotten all of the worthless oneshot masks
>>318274434
>>Great Bay is the worst in the series
>There are actually people on /v/ who believe Great Bay wasn't an improvement on the Water Temple and underwater levels in every conceivable way
>There are people who don't have it in their top 5 Zelda dungeons
>>318263856
There was a time a number of years ago when this game was considered average at best.
Then, for whatever reason, people couldn't shut the fuck up about how great it was. Why the sudden change of heart after all those years?
>>318278083
/v/ has a balance scale. Whatever the popular opinion is, we must hold a directly inverse opinion of the same weight, or... well, I don't know what the fuck would happen.
It's not like the board can get any worse, I guess.
>>318275248
Great Bay is trash, possibly worse than Water Temple.
TP had a far better water level.
>>318278083
How many years? This game came out fifteenyears ago, it's been a board favorite since at least that poll from four years back and probably longer.
How long are you going to keep complaining that it's a "sudden change?"
>>318278679
TP's water level is trash, possibly worse than Great Bay
SS had a far better water temple
Oh hey guys don't mind me. Just gonna GOTY again thanks.
>>318273169
There were only 4 dungeons but they were all top notch. I'd rather play through Majora's Mask twice consecutively than slog through Twilight Princess.
I think Stone Tower > Snowhead > Woodfall > Great Bay. Anyone care to agree/disagree?
>>318278753
I'm not complaining that it's a "sudden change" nor do I care about when it happened. I'm asking WHY it happened.
>>318263856
Hello, best Zelda game.
>>318267629
You posted the wrong picture.
>>318279457
Confirmation bias.
>>318263856
If youre an edge lord I guess.
>>318279457
Because Nintendo kept shitting out Zelda games that shared identical themes, atmosphere and dungeon types. Nintendo retroactively devalued OoT since every future game except MM tried to live up to OoT. Meanwhile MM is still the only 3D Zelda game to have any sort of divergent storyline, atmosphere, so it became more valuable over time. I've played through MM more than TP and SS combined.
>>318263856
No, you are not, you are dumb faggot virgin shitposter.
>>318263856
Majora = Best 3D
Awakening DX = Best 2D
>>318279783
No, THIS is confirmation bias...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Majora's_Mask#Reception
Reviews either written years after the game was released or retroactively changed after it had obtained this mysterious hipster "GOTM" status.
Crickets chirped when this game came out. Now, it's the greatest game of all time.
>>318280064
>Awakening
>Literally anything other than overrated garbage
>>318263856
That looks nothing like Minish Cap
So majora's mask fags, how do you feel about the pacing of zelda games post majora's mask?
Majora's Mask took the design approach of making the actual "main questline" not very long, but was chock full of optional content. Wind Waker on the design decission has been to pad out the main questline with annoying backtracking to make it as long as possible, with a distinct lack of good memorable side quests
>>318280132
Nevermind, it's not confirmation bias, you're just delusional. I don't even know why. You can even go look at the old reviews from back in the day on an aggregate site, it was always very highly regarded. Not to the degree that OoT was, but that's because reviewers are lowest common denominator and care more about novelty.
>>318280684
That's great and all, but I've already got a pretty good explanation as to why it happened the way that it did, here >>318279971.
This seems reasonable and explains why a game that no one gave a rat's ass about when it came out morphed into the greatest game in the history of the universe as the years went on. That's all I was curious about.
>>318263856
>Hello, I am the best Zelda game.
YOU'RE SENTIENT? YOU CAN SPEAK TO US? WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ALL OUR LIVES?! DOES ANOUMA HAVE YOU LOCKED UP? ARE YOU OKAY? WILL YOU EVER COME OUT?
WHY IS NINTENDO KEEPING YOU FROM US?!
>>318263856
Just making a small correction
>>318281107
Nice how did that play in 2d mode?
>>318280414
I hate them.
I still like Zelda games, but I absolutely hate what the pacing of the games has become. Majora's Mask is partially to blame for this because it has a really long introduction with a lot of setup for a new setting and an entirely different gameplay mechanic because you're a scrub the whole time. Thing about Majora's Mask was it provided an out: the introduction can be shortened to about fifteen minutes if you know where to go and what to do.
Wind Waker had a ridiculously long and drawn out introduction and railroaded you the entire way through the first two dungeons and it was awful. Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword continue on from Wind Waker and it only gets more and more annoying. I think one of the signature problems is a long, boring tutorial for a gameplay mechanic that isn't used for the next half of the game.
For example, Wind Waker makes you go through the asinine rope-swinging training course which is a mechanic that is basically never brought up again. Twilight Princess doubled down with goat herding and fishing. Skyward Sword had racing but the flight in general was horribly underdeveloped.
I don't know why they put those in the introductions of the game when they're already too long. It would be massively benefiical if they took them out and made them optional side quests, because recent entries have been lacking in that department too.
>>318274434
>WW dungeons
>not the worst in the 3D series
epin
>>318281107
Nah. They're similar enough and MM3D is still great, but I think it introduced more annoyances than it fixed, and some fixes for things that never needed changing just made them a little worse.
>>318281391
Wind temple and earth temple are comfy as hell.
Dragon roost is the best dungeon in the entire series.
Forbidden woods is pretty meh, but still had interesting ideas.
Tower of the Gods is absolute god tier puzzle and adventure.
Only bad thing about WW was the triforce hunt.
>>318281525
>escort faggotry
>good
>dragon roost
>not hallways with shitty "hurrr cool the water to make a platform"
>tower of the gods
>not a fucking chore
WW is fucking trash.
Shit QTE combat
Shit empty flat boring overworld
Shit items
Cut content and padding filler
Literally even SS is better.
>>318263856
>>318281525
>Wind temple and earth temple are comfy as hell.
You are an enormous faggot. Spamming the comfy meme in hopes that people forget that those are E S C O R T dungeons.
>>318281525
As to be expected from someone who thinks "comfy" is a positive quality in a dungeon.
Every Wind Waker dungeon is boring and trivial. They're just sequences of rooms with individual challenges that are so easy you can solve them on autopilot. There's no thought to the layout and there's no exploration. Puzzles are a joke, the combat is even worse.
Special mention to the extra awful switching mechanic of Wind/Earth. Because Elegy of Emptiness wasn't annoying enough, so now they've doubled it.
>>318281726
>>318281869
I bet you think Jabu was an escort dungeon too.
>>318281869
not really yes there is someone there but you dont have to keep them alive or anything.
>>318281869
>>318281914
>Escort misions are bad!
They're a puzzle, and all puzzles are important.
>Comfy meme
Its not a meme, its the truth. Wind temple is fun to jsut walk around in and explore, its got a great warm color scheme, good contrasting textures, and the giant fan is always fun to jump down into and ride.
Plus best boss in the series, and best music too.
>>318281789
Am I supposed to know who these people are? Try putting a name under your memes.
>>318282159
>>318282159
Yes and it was shit as well.
>>318282396
>best boss
>auto lock with hookshot to win
xd
>>318281419
Like what?
>>318282396
>Windwaker
>Good bosses
Funny joke anon, up until the final part the bosses are all forgettable shit (plant thing, and centipede thing), over-used shit (molgera) or just plain boring shit (multiple ghosts)
I do agree escorts aren't necessarily bad, depends on the A.I. so here it's fine as you effectively control them
>>318264015
It's enough to justify throwing it in the incinerator, rather than the trash.
>>318281107
>All of the bosses gain giant weakpoint eyes for no reason
My biggest complaint.
>>318282520
Annoyances like the Bomber's Notebook, the mask forms all having their physics be slightly less satisfying, and having to save manually instead of auto-saves.
Fixes for things that weren't broken in the first place are things like the ice arrows only working on specific retard-proof points, bosses that got their weaknesses reduced to one specific thing on a gigantic balloon eyeball, and retard-proofing the Bomber's Notebook so you can't miss it.
There were just a lot of thoughtless "improvements" that didn't help anything and sometimes inadavertantly removed interesting qualities about the game. Getting the Bomber's Notebook from the Mask Salesman made less sense and ruined the point of the original sidequest, which taught you how you could use your future time travel knowledge to cheat without holding your hand.
>>318282638
>Forgettable
If you forget Gohma of all people and call it a "Centipede thing" You've just proven you're no true Zelda fan.
KAllie demon is a giant deku baba, and isnt very forgetable at all. easy sure.
Gohdan is basically Eyerock, but sporting, because he gives you bombs and arrows
Helmaroc king is impossible ot forget, its a giant turkey.
Molgera isnt overused, its the first time its ever been used. You're thinking of Moldorm anon, which is a very different thing.
Jahalla is a big poe, but even so the fight is pretty fun, since you get to bowl him into the spike pillars.
Puppet gannon was easily the best boss in the entire game and was challenging AF since you needed light arrows to stun him.
It just honestly sounds like you're a jaded prick who can't have fun with video games anymore anon. I really do feel sorry for you.
>>318282841
Before
>attack any part of the boss to damage and win
Now
>weaken the boss to stun them and then attack on the big eyeball thing
>>318264015
Fap material doesn't negate boring dungeons.
>>318283086
Not that guy, but that centipede was supposed to be a Gohma? That's even lamer than I thought.
>>318283183
Except you couldn't attack any part of the boss originally. With Odolwa you had to wait for an opening to either shoot him or stab him, but you needed to wait for that opening. Gyorg you could only attack in the face. Twinmold you could only hit in the face or tail. The only one you could attack anywhere was Goht, but you got to continuously roll into him without having to stop, go around to find the weak point, and then wail on that with your sword; in the original you didn't need to stop to attack, and the fact that you could just roll into him over and over again once he was stunned made it more fun rather than the tedium of having to stop and take off the mask.
>>318283183
I liked the concept behind Majora's Mask's bosses because they were all clearly built with multiple vulnerabilities, Gyorg excepted. They weren't amazingly executed, but I think it's cool that you could beat Majora with only the deku mask, because I never even thought about using the flower patterns on the ground until someone told me years and years later.
In a game without true dungeon items for the most part, it's a good idea to have bosses that are less structured and fought more freely. I think the only problem was that they lacked difficulty.
Then Aonuma comes in and says
>I didn't understand what I was supposed to do when I got to a boss because I am paralyzed by chioces
and puts eyeballs that have to be shot on everything. I can't respect that at all.
>>318283306
Gohma is an Armored Arachnid, not a spider, not a crab. so a giant Magtile is easily acceptable to its description.
>>318264015
No anon, you got it wrong. For something to contribute worth it needs to be a positive addition.
I stay out of Zelda discussions because I've learned all Zelda fans in the fanbase are nothing but entitltled assholes who can never be satisfied with what they have despite getting a new game almost yearly. And they'll fight tooth and nail over the differences of the 2D classic generation versus the modern 3D. And never,. ever be happy.
You spelled "worst" wrong.
>>318283086
I didn't realise it was meant to be Gohma. It looked far closer to the mini-centipedes you fight in Dragon Roost rather than Gohma in OoT/TP/HW (Admittedly the last two came after, so they don't properly count)
Helmaroc I remember because it appears multiple times,
I was thinking of Twinmold when I said Molgera was overused.
and I counted Ganon in the final part as some of the good bits.
FACT: What you may consider a "bad" Zelda game is still a great game when compared to things outside the series.
>>318283275
Also the worst weapons and variety between using them. Every item gets used twice except the double hookshot
>>318267629
Eh 6 and 7 are interchangeable to me since they're both really good
>>318284696
So, we're just pretending Twilight Princess never happened now?
>>318263856
>Zelda
>Good
pick one
>>318284696
Absolutely.
>>318284696
I was going to disagree with you because of Skyward Sword, but last month I tried playing Halo 1/2/3 and Uncharted at my friend's, and oh my god they're fucking horrible, and people praise them like they're the best anything
being a Sony/MS fan is hardcore business, having to play these shit games AND pretend to like them
>>318263856
It's definitely up there as best 3D Zelda game.
But Awakening and the Oracle games exist, so it can't take the best Zelda game title.
>>318274118
Best Bejeweled game, maybe.
Best puzzle game, not so much.
>>318281441
>>318280064
My fucking nigga.
>>318281107
This improved many aspects, but fucked up big time in others.
I would rather play the original, but I can understand if someone likes this version better.
>>318274118
>Striptease puzzle game.
Fuck off, Layton far exceeds your deranged animu sluttery.
>>318287389
Wario's Woods is underrated as fuck. Some people just don't like it because it takes awhile to get used to the control scheme.
One of my top 3 puzzle games which are Wario's Woods, Pac-Attack, and Tetris Attack/Puzzle League.
>>318287389
Literally Pannel de pon.with a fat jew instead of a cute fairy.
Why would I want the fat jew?
>>318288240
But you play as Toad.
Don't you like Toad? Are you gay or something?
>>318288148
Yeah, including my post I think this is the second time I see this game on /v/. I still need to play Pac-Attack though.
My top 3 would be Wario's Woods, Dr Mario and Catherine.
MM is just the best Zelda for hipsters who don't want to admit that it's OoT.
Also FF7.
You posted the wrong image.
