So why was the institute replacing random people with synths?
IT
For because raisins.
JUST
>>318225718
JUST
fae allegory
Cause they're autistic
and don't know that this shit is upsetting people
To gather intel on the surface. i don't know why they didn't just create artificial people instead of replacing real ones.
I'm sure people would be willing to tell a "husband and wife with 2 kids traveling through the commonwealth" all the info they need to stay safe.
>>318225657
because they needed subjects for FEV experiments
why else are there so many super mutants in the wasteland
Literally because they think Wastelanders are imperfect and prone to causing conflict, and must be replaced.
Which is why they abduct the top tier scientists. It's natural selection.
>>318225657
Can synths pee or poo? does Curie for example have a panini you can fuck? will she feel pleasure? I know it's just a game but so many questions.
>>318225657
If I knew I would probably feel better about the game
>>318225657
Why not?
>>318225929
they're suppose to be indistinguishable from people so yea, probably.
>>318225868
Or just, you know, go up to a settlement themselves and say "Hey, how's it hanging?"
But no, let's replace people with murder bots because HURDUR WE SMART AND WASTELAND CAN NEVER RECOVER! I wish there was an option to abduct your dumbfuck son, take him to the surface and drag his ass across the wasteland.
The answers will all be in the DLC. pre order the season pass now even though you don't know what the fuck is in it!
>>318225657
Mostly for testing their AI and also for intel. As it turns out the institute is in the process of becoming independent from the surface with their nuclear reactor and the synths as workforce. Their end goal is to rebuild civilization underground.
>>318225657
a combo between spys and the bad guys from the world's end.
>>318226218
I'm sorry Todd, I'll buy 4 season passes, please don't be mad. ;_;
>>318225657
cuz dey da bad guyz
they wanted to gather info above ground, test the synth's ability to replicate natural human life, and needed fev subjects.
they did it all in one go.
the synths that bugged out and murdered people were malfuntioning.
you even hear a couple scientists acnowledge the face twitching issue in one of the science labs. synth retention i believe.
theyre bored scientists doing science shit for the sake of seeing what happens.
>>318225718
>>318225785
>>318225810
>>318225886
Is this a reference to something or... ?
>>318226497
Four? I could never be mad at you. Come here, let me show you my red rocket drive in.
>>318225657
because they want to take over the world and create skynet just like the illuminati.
Is there a point to synth shaun at the end when you blow up the institute?
Does he do anything?
>>318226218
>>318226497
>>318226696
toddposting has gone too far
someone send this to the real meme man
>>318226780
When you go to leave, he comes and cries about how you're a terrible mother/father for not taking him with you and killing him
>>318226780It tests your respect for synths as people, and proves Father wanted to make you happy by giving you the life that his Institute stole from you
>>318225657
Pretty sure it's because they quite literally plan on replacing the Commonwealth with them. Doing this will allow them to have complete control over every aspect of society.
>>318226780
The real Shaun reprogram him to recognize the player as his father/mother as a sort of farewell gift. You can accept him and adopt as your son or leave him to be destroyed in the explosion.
>>318226780
You "adopt" him and he gives you building materials occasionally.
You can send him to different settlements too.
Sadly can't find him when I side with the Institute.
To gather Intel
But because they are fucking stupid they don't understand that this is a shitty thing to do and most synths end up going rogue after a while on the surface
>>318226780
If you take him with you apparently he can build you a unique weapon
>>318226812
The real meme man? Who do you think started this?
>>318227101
>Sadly can't find him when I side with the Institute.
He's in the Advanced research department
>>318227058
Fuck him
Abortion of science and needs to be destroyed
>Random synths storm the old people place and kill all the nice and polite Mr Handy workers
>They don't attack me because I've been neutral with the Institute
>Kill all synths
You don't do that shit. I understand now why the BoS are such fucking Nazis about synths, but they should direct that hate towards the regular "soldier" synths and not the synths that are actually really nice and cool.
>>318226780
its beth failed attempt at FEEL, they forgot you need competent VA and good written story. The boy is just another pinochio
>>318225657
But Nick has a dick right?
>>318227109
Synth don't go rogue unless they are liberated by the Railroad.
>>318225657
They were replacing key people in areas with important resources or for info-gathering. Most of the synths are still in the Institute.
.... what if Shaun is really a synth, and the Institute is really controlled by a super computer, they merely created the "Father" Shaun just to calm him down because they realized he destroyed a Courser with very little effort.
>>318227351
wanna find out?
>>318227336
Brian T Delaney is incapable of doing anything besides the "question" and "nice guy" lines
>>318227351
No
He wouldn't want to fuck your fat ass anyways
>>318227058
and if you leave it to blow up
wich you should do
he will come back in a future dlc to kill you
IT RHYMES
>>318226780
>>318227058
What ifFather wasn't the real Shaun, and the synth was the real one, and it'd only been ~10 years since Kellogg took him.
>get hard evidence the mayor of Diamond City is a synth
>can't do anything with it but hand it to its intended recipient
CHOICES
AND
CONSEQUENCES
>>318227425
That would be better than what Bethesda actually did but he doesn't have a Synth component when you kill him (which you should do as soon as you finish the first conversation with him)
>>318227058
>can't have a baby with one of your romance options and name him Better Shaun
missed opportunity there Bethesda
>>318225908
So pretty much this?
so how do i fix this shit?
i tried leaving and then going back in but it didnt change anything
its only the flight deck thats like this, the upstairs area works fine
>>318226948
>Father wanted to make you happy
>>318227058
>The real Shaun reprogram him to recognize the player as his father/mother as a sort of farewell gift
repeatedly tells you NO THEY'RE MACHINES THEY ARENT PEOPLE YOU FUCKING IDIOT
"by the way here's a machine for you to pretend is a person even though i've done nothing but advise against that"
>>318227568
Writing is the only problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ro0df7PM04
FUCKING KILL
are there centaur-esque monsters in FO4?
>>318228069
no, nothing even close
>>318228069
They got replaced by resized/retextures mole rats
I can't wait till Todd is satisfied of all the blow jobs and narcotics he's been abusing since release and starts making patches to address some of these glitches. My gatling laser still doesn't consume cores :(
Why did the Institute make exact human like synths?
Why did the Institute create them to have a sense of self awareness?
What are the Institutes goals?
How can Danse possibly be a synth when it was clearly stated that production on child synths was happening just as the lone survivor was unfrozen? Danse is in his mid 20s-30s and was in the BoS for some time. He had to have been a child synth in the capital wasteland for it to make sense, but child synths weren't even started on back then.
>>318227829
I expected piper to be all over that shit, or at least give me a choice. Doesnt he even say something like "make sure no-one but the mayor sees this", like what the fuck, no-one else is going to because you keks wont give me that option.
>>318227829
I'm pretty sure there's a quest for fucking up the mayor but I think it's post main quest.
>>318227882
what gun is that
>>318225657
WELL I DONT KNOW WHAT I BEEN TOLD
>>318228314
They replaced him after he was a child?...
>>318228434
Who cares, the point is it's not possible when it's relevant
>>318228314
>Why did the Institute make exact human like synths?
>Why did the Institute create them to have a sense of self awareness?
Infiltration units. The real question is why they have Gen 3s cleaning toilets after seeing they act like people and don't want to do this.
>>318228314
Father says they wanted to make the perfect machine and thus decided to base them off human DNA.
Of course then they turn around and insist Synths aren't human.
>>318228462
The gun you get for joining the railroad, it's not that good unless you use VATS
>>318227816
My first playthrough I didn't buy any of Father's story since Kelogg didnt seem 60 years older than in the opening.
2nd playthrough Father explains why Kellogg is so old, but I sitll dont buy it
>>318228590
>Father says they wanted to make the perfect machine
>machine
I dont understand your argument
>>318225908
Wait, don't tell me it's because they are trying to unify everyone into one perfect group of people with no differences in order to bring peace to the wasteland.
>>318228314
>Why did the Institute make exact human like synths?
To discretely operate on the surface without risking actual human lives
>Why did the Institute create them to have a sense of self awareness?
Since Nick is a prototype with a real person's memories, it's likely that they used real human brains as a starting point to create synth ones, leaving things such as will and desire of a byproduct of trying to create an independent machine capable of making its own judgements that can pass as human.
>What are the Institutes goals?
The advancement and perseverance of the human race and all its scientific advancements
>>318228069
No. Fallout 4 is horrifically toned-down. It's basically Skyrim: draugr are ghouls and bandits and super mutants are fucking raiders.
There's nothing disconcerting what-so-ever, which is such a let-down. Hell, Raiders don't even rape and pillage anymore, they just pillage. The scariest thing you'll see are the skele-synths.
>>318227829
Not nearly as bad as
>Get railroad to build teleporter
>Meet the person on the inside freeing synths
>Never finish his quest
>Join the institute
>Become director
>Can't do anything about him
>Kidnap people
>Only kidnap people with families and friends from big cities or factions, no raiders or drifters
>Replace them with synths for no reason
>Somehow even let them know what you call your organization
>Given life to a counter faction because you literally cannot stop showering the wasteland with faulty synths WITH YOUR FUCKING NAME STAMPED ON THEM
Future of mankind, huh.
>>318228856
>>Only kidnap people with families and friends from big cities or factions, no raiders or drifters
They replace your settlers, brahmin, and arty seems to be a drifter.
>>318228807
Also I might have missed something but that's the ONLY guy actually getting synths out of the institute? He looks about 20 and the railroad has existed for at least 11 years.
>>318228542
I like the technology, maintained underground base, sophisticated/civilized citizenry. But there's just a few tiny changes the sole survivor could make to turn the Institute from an edgy Autistic paradise, to the true and only hope for humanity. All that's REALLY needed is to lose the school shooter vibe they have against the people on the surface, and stop treating gen 3 synths as second class citizens. Gen 3 synths probably have a greater capability than humans for pretty much everything (since essentially they're super optimized synthetic living computers).
>>318228806
Gore bags might trigger people since they look like pomegranates.
>>318228806
>There's nothing disconcerting what-so-ever, which is such a let-down. Hell, Raiders don't even rape and pillage anymore, they just pillage. The scariest thing you'll see are the skele-synths.
Some of these raider dens are really fucked up. And of course there's dunwich and the serial killer Hancock makes you investigate
>>318229003
>arty seems to be a drifter.
The synth talks about Art's kids, and the real Art says "don't you dare bring them up"
Can someone please explain what the institutes actual goals were? Because I feel like it is never really explained in game.
As far as I can tell they want to replace people with Synths since they can't suffer the effects of radiation, which is possibly the most retarded plan ever. What the fuck made them "the best hope for the futureee" as Shaun insisted? (Insisted, without ever explaining).
I swear to fucking god the limited dialog in this game destroyed what could have been an amazing story.
>>318229054
My first step would be do open a History and Humanities board and have everyone learn empathy and nation building.
Next, I'd bring them to the surface and orchestrate some human moments for them to experience.
>>318229360
The lack of exposition in dialog butchers the game. you usually get ONE question per interaction and that's it.
>>318229360
They plan to use the reactor to live underground for millions of years and carry on humanity for as long as possible.
>>318229028
He's the one who programmed them to rebel in the first place, not sure how old he is
So wait, does the game end on main quest finish for Fallout 4 are they doing this like TES games now?
>>318229275
Ah.
I wonder what he's doing in the middle of raider territory and a block away from super mutant territory.
>>318226780
>Is there a point to synth shaun at the end when you blow up the institute?
Yes, for him to see you blowing the BoS and basically everything that stands on your way
>>318229360
Think of the worst elements of the Enclave and BoS mixed together and you have the Institute.Just kidding, I sided with the Institute since they're the only group to sweep up the floors during the whole 200 years after the Great War. Niggah, I don't give two shits about freeing slaves if I have to shit in a bucket next to some bedroll in the sewers.
>>318229150
I don't understand.
>>318229184
I feel like New Vegas did a better job of making the wasteland feel like a truly fucked up place. Places where major powers were corrupt or downright insane, a pyromaniac ambushes and rapes a military officer, slavery is a business, drugs are really bad, etc.. Some static, hanging corpses with their heads cut off don't even come close. 4 is just so soft and disappointing.
>>318229660
>blowing the BoS
Danse pls
>>318229510
Annnd why the synth bullshit then? Why not use their tech to help people?
>>318226679
>>318229660
>blowing everything that stands in your way
t. Cait
>>318229790
>Danse pls
The irony is that Danse don't speak to me anymore since I destroyed the Brotherhood
>>318229790
>>318225929
>does Curie for example have a panini you can fuck? will she feel pleasure?
Anon of course asking the important questions asked by all great men.
>>318228542
Yeah, Like I get that they don't even treat Gen 3s as human but you'd think they would treat them with some respect considering how technologically advanced they are.
Just saying, you don't clean the toilet with your GX980 when you have a scrubbing brush.
Also, the other thing I don't get is how there was such a stupid jump between Gen 2 and Gen 3.
Gen 2 is basically just white rubber skin on Gen 1 while Gen 3 is basically a human clone but with a few mechanical bits deep on the inside. My only logic is that the white rubber skin on Gen 2s is actually semi biological with a thin layers of muscle or other tissue, which explains how Nick and other Gen 2's create lip and other facial movements.
>>318229660
I-is that the Yes-Man ending? Can I really nuke the Prydwyn AND the Institute while chilling on the beach with my shota synth doll and minutemen crew?
>>318230071
That's what I did, every faction besides the MM is ogre
>>318229791
>Why not use their tech to help people?
Because according to Father, every time they've extended a hand to the surface it's backfired. They tried to get surface colonies to organize and it lead to infighting and a bunch of people dying, so they gave up the surface. They only seem to operate up there to gather information just in case, gather supplies, and retrieve lost synths.
>>318229908
I've beat the game and took the Minutemen route. Am I still able to destroy the BoS and Railroad with the quests? Or does the game just kind of lose all steam except for the Radiant AI quests like the dead-end piece of shit it is?
>>318229945
I wish I hadn't of seen that.
>>318230161
How exactly did you do that?
>>318230071
The Yes-Man aka the fallback "I broke the main quest" option is the Minutemen because you can't kill Preston Garvey or tell him to go fuck himself for good.
>First Blade Runner mission
>beepboop88 tells me a code to wipe the synth of its personality
>"it'd be more humane just to kill it"
>Curie admires you
>get to Synth
>time to die shitlord
>beepboop88 just says code anyway
>can't kill synth
>beepboop88 takes him back to the Institute
>Curie disliked that
>>318225657
>>318225657
to study the world up top, gather intelligence, experiment on, etc etc etc
>>318230296
How is it breaking the main quest when I'm assuming there's a main quest to orchestrate both the prydwyn and Institute getting the nuke?
>>318225929
>>318226026
>>318229994
>>318230186
There's a mission to take the BoS down with the Minutemen, you just need to piss them off (like killing that bitch ass Maxton). I destroyed the Railroald in one of the BoS missions
>>318230237
1. Join every faction to play their missions
2. Build the teleport machine with the MM
3. Kill Railroad in one of the BoS missions
4. Blow the Institute with the MM
5. Kill Maxton to piss BoS off, get the extra mission to bomb them
>>318229790
>4 is just so soft
>not being bothered by gore
for you, the line between a harsh world and a happy world is whether it includes rape?
>>318230174
>They tried to get surface colonies to organize and it lead to infighting and a bunch of people dying
I don't remember them starting the push for unity, only appearing there and have everything end in a shootout.
Also, they killed a town over a bit of research about reactor technology when all the discoverer of it wanted was some caps. No matter how you look at it, the institute still did everything wrong.
>>318230340
Fuck that mission
>tell niggerbot I'm going to kill the synth
>he says it's up to me
>when the time comes I try to take his bribe with a hard speech check
>doesn't make a difference and niggerbot recall codes him anyway making him invincible
They didn't even try to make it subtle that they give you no choice at all.
>>318230431
It's in case you piss off any or all the factions. You can't finish the Railroad if you get thrown out of the institute for example.
>>318230296
>I broke the main quest
not
>everyone is insane except for me
>>318226075
>"You're not to old for me to beat your ass, boy"
>grab your elderly son by the ear and drag him outside
>he is now forced to be your companion as you rove the wasteland schooling him about what the post-nuclear world is really like (which you yourself learned like a week earlier)
>>318230507
He's American
>>318227309
That's where I started hating the Institute too. I was enjoying myself looking at all the old people's room and then they go and start killing everything. Fuck them
because bethesda said so
>>318230809
>>318227309
I'd already joined the institute and they had just been fighting a mirelurk queen outside. I thought them following me in and being hostile was some sort of aggro bug I triggered.
also
>they were neutral to you
Well golly that fucking surprising. I thought synths were programmed to murder everyone they came across. Father's benevolence never ceases.
>>318230474
I see
>>318227503
Would have been better if vats shot when he was still in the air.
>>318231275
Also you only trigger this mission AFTER blowing the Institute up
>>318230507
The only way to transfer non-material items from one sanctuary is either by cheating or making multiple trips, right?
>>318230507
It's just window dressing, like the Super Mutant gore piles. It's so disconnected because raiders don't do anything mean but shoot at you. They're not a presence in the world, they're just paper cutouts for you to shoot at.
>>318230507
There's no narrative or thematic weight to the gore. It's window dressing. No one else in the game cares about it, so why should I?
>>318225657
I played for 150 hours and sided with the institute and I have
LITERALLY
NO
IDEA
>>318230507
Of course not. I do, however, think that New Vegas presented a harsher world than 4 and was better for it. It set a certain tone and made me feel a certain way about whoever I was shooting in the face or saving from getting shot in the face because the consequences were considerably worse; would you rather get shot and have your dead body hung from hooks or get raped and set on fire?
And besides that, the entire world goes to shit, armed groups roam the lands taking what they want and ALL they want is food? On what fuckin planet?
>>318230671
>I don't wanna build a settlement, dad!
>Well too bad! You want to save humans, ya gotta shelter them, boy!
>>318231637
>B-but synths don't need shelter, dad
Why does the Institute even bother with Synths at all?
Surely there's better shit they could be working on, like removing muties and cleaning up the planet.
>>318231463
If you have rank 4 strong back perk you can fast-travel while overencumbered.
>>318231853
or curing cancer
>>318231853
They're working on muties
>>318231750
>>318231637
>>318230671
I'm dying
>>318231750
>Dammit, boy, I've had it with you and your obsession with these damn synths! Now, you're gonna build this druggie old lady a chair and you're gonna like it!
>>318231853
They don't care about the topside. I don't even know why they care about politics either.
>>318231853
They don't give a shit about the outside world, they see it as ultimately irredeemable. They're just nerds with a) too much time on their hands and b) a need for a labor force to do their dirty work
>>318231983
Very true.
Why don't they just use that molecular teleporter thing to re-assemble someone minus the cancer cells?
>>318232030
>you leave him to it and he goes and ODs the old bag while you aren't looking and replaces her with a synth that never wants to sit down
>>318231320
gotta have that epic 10-second long pause before the kill shot to waste your tim.
>>318232087
Which is why they made a labor force capable of self-awareness and genuine sentience, but still treat them like absolute shit.
>>318232112
father said he didn't want to extend his life and Bethesda doesn't intend for anyone to think about how teleportation works.
>>318232112
bethesda
>>318230443
one of the lines when you swim/walk thru some water is "oh, its so wet"
>>318232196
>tfw tim gets wasted
>>318232254
They don't see them as anything more than tools and "free will" as errant programming that can be wiped.
It's implied that the desire for freedom in rogue synths was given to them by the whiny guy in Robotics anyway, so is that desire genuine or just lines of code acting out?
I mean I know it's been spoiled for weeks now, but I'm still amused by the amount of retards who just don't use the spoiler function in these threads.
The ones that are just too fucking lazy to use a spoiler tag are almost as bad to me as the ones intentionally spoiling.
>>318232087
>dont go outside
>always in basement
>obsessed with 3D waifu
>always feel the righteous
>cant accept criticism
hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm~~ seems familiar.....
>>318232551
I fucking hate this meme in media
Free will isn't just something someone can hack together and slip it in unnoticed. It's a really big fucking deal, and a single person in a team of super geniuses isn't going to be able to do it, let alone undetected.
>>318232572
This is great bait. The opinion is shitty enough to attract people, subtle enough to look like a real opinion, and it use of amount of retards targets nearly everybody.
10/10 roast my friend.
>>318232087
>They're just nerds
I think real nerds would be all over the chance to create perfect sex bots, a paradise of free sex kept safe by an army of fanatic loyal synthslaves.
But I guess analysing mutant testicles can be full as well....I guess....
>>318232572
>giving a fuck about bethesda's story
>missing the week before goddamn release people were joking about the spoilers while 'epic trolls' spam them everywhere
M8. Everybody now already knows or doesn't give a fuck.
>>318232112
That sounds like an easy way to lose your skeleton or something.
>>318228806
>post-apocalyptic
>no freaky mutants
>no crawling horrors behind thick lead plated doors with nuclear symbol behind it
>>318232551
Which is fucking retarded. Coursers exhibit "independence." It's clear that synths have, at the very least, rudimentary emergent intelligence and self-awareness. They even acknowledge that McDonough has become self aware. Rather than study this intelligence and attempt to draw parallels to human consciousness, they actively deny that there's anything more to the issue and constantly try to shut the "smart" synths down. If you'er trying to "Redefine Mankind," why not actually explore the possibility of replicating the human mind in a perfect body?
>>318232948
They already do it, you may as well program it to not remake cancerous cells while you're at it
MUSIC NAME YOU FUCKS
>>318232948
Just teleport the now cancerless blob onto a robot skeleton. Nobody will know the difference.
>>318233060
It's because Bethesda were desperate to draw racism parallels without thinking about the implications of the technology they designed.
>>318226696
>that janky ass katakana
its like they took half a 101 class then abandoned because they are shit
if anything it would be 私のゲームがプリオーダーしてみて~, to keep with the overall theme of it
fucking weeaboo shits
>yfw the guys who made Yakuza told a better story about the confluence between organic and synthetic life and what it means to be human, in a silly third-person shooter featuring a dude named Big Bo and a french robot
>>318231480
>That raider crew with that female raider leader who had her sister kidnapped and was being forced to pay tribute in raided food. Only to find out that the little sister was no longer in their possession but were still trying to demand tribute.
>That raider crew who started off as abused outcasts and were merely surviving. Some of the people in the group started raiding innocents so he made an example out of them by executing all of them. In reality, he wanted to look like raiders because then people will leave him and his group of outcasts alone. You can outright murder them.
>That raider crew with that guy who had a crush on one of the raider girls. When she rejected him, he shot her because she broke his heart. Guy even wrote her poems.
>That one raider crew
You're speaking out of your fucking ass you faggot.
There is literally raider feels, lores and stories all around the commonwealth.
>>318232948
>Teleportation experiment creates new "blob-like" wasteland horrors that can teleport
>>318232737
>Eric, I need your help. Another synth asked me what the meaning of life is
>ahh crap, I thought I hammered that bug down
>don't worry, I sent it in for disassembly. for some reason it cried and begged for another chance, weird right?
>yeah, we'll have to really think this problem through in the next department meeting. my synthetic ass wiper tried to, get this, ask me if this is all there is to life. Can you believe it?
>>318232863
>full
Sweet typo.
>>318232737
>>318233060
Bethesda didn't think beyond "it's like slavery but with robots!" so I wouldn't bother either
>>318232112
beats me
>>318231480
They wouldn't be able to sell the game if the raiders did anything other than just shoot at you, it would never make it past the ESRB.
>>318233183
>a couple of raiders talking to each other and terminal entries
They interact with other raiders, and literally nobody else outside of the garbage radiant minutemen missions.
Why isn't there a raider faction? A raider town? Quests from raiders? Raiders that don't shoot you on sight, despite the fact you can wear the exact same clothes as them?
They only exist to be minor obstacles, and only very rarely do they deviate from that.
>>318233459
nv raiders were considerably more scummy than fo4s
>>318233459
>What is NV
The Fiend vault was the same thing, a big raider dungeon with bodies strung up. It made sense because you could find out about the people who lived their, and interact with the Fiends and find out their story too. Knowing about the people who died gave it far more weight than just another headless corpse on a spike
>>318233509
>Cause after 200 years, raiders went shit tier. Fallout and Fallout 2 raiders were awesome, especially the 80's.
>>318233183
>red's sister tried to escape and murder the boss, he accidentally killed her and hid the evidence by tossing her in the vat
>she made the beer taste better
>you will never tell red all this
>>318233183
ALL of these things occur before you can affect or even witness them. You read about these things that have happened and that's it. You're character doesn't learn anything from them and neither do you, really; not anything that's going to change the game. Raiders are just people who shoot at you and have armor/weapons that you want.
>>318233183
That's the interesting thing about Bethesda. They can and do make a lot of short, compelling little side stories all around the map. They just fuck up horribly once they try to scale up.
>>318233459
You can talk about rape and get your game past the ESRB.
I don't think the game needs it. As far as I'm concerned, every raider and some of the guys have been vault meat for at least a few months.
>>318226075
they cant just say hello to the upside
remember how much stigma they carry from trying to form an provisional government that no one apparently can agree on anything that ended in a bloody blood bath
thats where YOU come in and the whole point of Shaun giving you the mic to relay a message to the people of the commonwelth
>>318233183
That has absolutely nothing to do with the gravity of the atrocities raiders commit. There's no story to the gore itself, no recently sacked towns or Vaults that the corpses are coming from. You can't interact with any of those scrubs beyond shooting them, nor can you talk to any of the people they personally harmed. You can't even tell Preston or Murphy you killed Jared.
Nipton was effective because you meet the survivors and talk to the people who destroyed it. You walk through the town and see how people died, fought back, etc. You don't just read about it, you see it. The game actually shows you.
>>318233265
Well, guess it is time for bed if I missed that after reading it two times.
>>318233739
>vault meat
Why you gotta bring that up? Now I have to pay shadbase a visit
>>318228702
Thing is Kellogg was cybernetically augmented and he essentially ceased to age
>>318233723
So your problem with the game is it's not a book, tabletop, or a CRPG.
>Nuclear apocalypse
>200 years of wasteland
>Half of windows in Boston aren't broken
>>318225657
surveillance, recruiting new members but keeping it hidden(When you do that one quest where you recruit a guy to the institute they put a synth in his place so the locals don't catch on) and FEV subjects are the only two canon answers given.
>>318228462
The Deliverer.
>>318228626
>The gun you get for joining the railroad, it's not that good unless you use VATS
It's for a non rifleman sneak crit build, onii-chan.
>>318228807
You can tell him the railroad is dead and he should give up and he does.
>>318233183
Bosco best raider leader
forgedfags need NOT apply
>>318233734
Yeah, it's weird. They can do a lot of small scale stuff and have it be interesting, but when it's big it's awful. Reminds me of the stuff Mac Walters does. I think they just need a better lead writer or something.
Fuck, 4 could have been so fucking good.
>>318227929
thats what his own opinion
but he also respects your own if you want to believe that he is your son
>>318233819
So how did Father/Shaun die then?
They can set up a Merc with immortality but not the most important guy in the institute?
>>318233939
>>(When you do that one quest where you recruit a guy to the institute they put a synth in his place so the locals don't catch on)
So why don't they just keep the synth version of him? Make a synth copy, give it free will, and done.
Or make a copy of the guy's brain using the teleporter and stick it in a synth body?
Shit, Bethesda didn't think this through at all
>>318234034
Wastelander's Friend is better for one hit sneak kills.
>>318234123
Again, father didn't want to extend his life.
>>318233183
>you can have a farm full of my handys working 24/7
>meaning free food for almost no work
>people would rather kill each other and steal food than just put the fucking robots to work
Is weird as fuck since some of those raiders have very high levels of knowledge about robotics.
>>318233895
It's the same game where a kid survives 200 years in a fridge and he parents literal stayed in the same house 200 years as ghouls.
I don't think logic plays much in these games
>>318228806The institute used most of the Centaurs for their FEV cure. Ever wondered why there are so much cats wandering around in The Commonwealth?
>>318234194
I think the deliverer does more damage
>>318234123
Shaun thinks cybernetics will eat your soul. He doesn't mind creating a bunch of self-aware metahumans and ordering them around like robots, though, nor does he mind kidnapping people and subjecting them to FEV mutation.
>>318233763
Except there is nothing to relay. It's just follow that course mate and don't forget to yadda yadda.
>>318234148
>Or make a copy of the guy's brain using the teleporter and stick it in a synth body?
You're suggesting they do things that we just bullshitted up in this thread. They don't seem to want synths on the science team.
It's reasonable that behind the scenes they've got some rules to make sure they don't become redundant in their own home.
>>318234202
you can get a dialog where Father out right says "I didn't want it to end this way.. but Science has only come so far and the body can go on for only so long"
I know of no where he stated that he didn't want to extend his life but I wouldn't bat an eye if it was there, the writing is just that bad.
>>318233537
>>318233664
They still only shot at you, it's not like they are gonna animate the raiders raping women, chopping them up and hanging their remains from meat hooks.
>>318234361
yeah there is
to state YOUR intentions to and with the institute what you want to do with the common wealth
>>318234425
>he didn't personally introduce himself to Motor Runner before beating him to death with his bare hands
fagit
>>318234425
They leave that to the modders.
>>318234380
Aren't they trying to perfect humanity? That implies they know that current humanity, including themselves, are obsolete.
>>318234425
>They still only shot at you,
Except they don't. Can't you read?
>>318234210
>Is weird as fuck since some of those raiders have very high levels of knowledge about robotics.
Raiders have the excuse of being drug addled psychopaths.
For everyone else? Start collecting/building Mr. Handy's and putting them to work.
>>318234194
The Deliverer does more damage. I had a legendary 10mm with the same enchantment than the Wastelander's Friend and i replaced it for The Deliverer.
>>318234304
>Shaun thinks cybernetics will eat your soul.
where does he even imply this?
if anything he thinks the flip
>>318234525
We're making the mistake of trying to work with their motto, humanity redefined.
Really, they just want to perform science experiments and be evil in their underground nuclear power mom's basement.
>>318234525
When did the raiders do anything other than shoot at you in NV?
>Find a science lab
>hear a ping noise and find danse is suddenly jumpy
>keeps fucking muttering "muh old tech" every few minutes
>robot hires me on the spot for some management bullshit, wasn't really listening, keeping my peeprs out for copper shit because i keep running out
>locked in a radiation spewing room
>find a bunch of dead scientists that were locked in and forced to work until their power armor project was finished by some boss
>one of them tried to hack and get out, props to him for trying but hes a mangled flesh heap in one of the rooms.
>curse the fucker behind this lockdown for killing a military background bro and go through the annoying mini fetch quest
>finally get out find the fucker behind it all as a ghoul and guass rifle his fucking face for making me waste this time for 12 telephones and 5 microscopes and a shitty piece of power armor that can't even have the BOS paint on it as well as extremely reduced stats
>find his terminal to loot the info for autism reasons>Guy tried to hide the fact that a nuclear war was breaking out and tried to get his coworkers to finish the project so he could radio the army boys to air lift them to a safe location.
>shot in the shoulder and dying from radiation poisoning he still tried to stop the guy from hacking so they could finish the project and get to safety
>last blurb for his wife asking that if she was still reading this that he hoped she finished the project and turned the ham radio on to call for the rescue.
ham radio activated.
>>318230597
You can actually kill it but you have to be very quick about it - exit the conversation with the guy and then blast him with something really high powered (I took him down with a 2-shot auto plasma rifle). The Father then goes 'well the point was Synths are bad, shame he died tho' and the Institute people will go all 'shame you didn't get that guy'.
>>318234779
Just the fiends in Vault 3
>>318234779
Maybe you should play the game, anon
>>318233882
God damn, of course not. That's a really shitty oversimplification.
I've got a ton of issues with the game, but the one I'm talking about deals with Raiders just being an obstacle like someone said earlier. They don't matter. They're literally bullet-sponges. They've got nice little story-bits scattered around and some of them even have names, but you'll never interact with them beyond blowing them to bits. They're so non-existent that their models could be replaced by big, grey rectangles that shoot at you and nothing would change.
>>318234425
They won't animate it, but they might make it a point of that guy being a really, really, messed up individual that does horrible things.
>>318234779
The Fiends quests didn't happen?
>>318232169
Is it bad that sounds about right for the institute?
>>318234810
>every single person managed to turn into a feral ghoul so the consolebabbs had something to shoot at
I'm not sure if I want to join the institute. What will happen toDanseif I join them?
>small, self contained nuclear reactor
>can only power a suit of armour for a day before shitting itself
>powered an entire building for 200 years prior without any interruptions
>canned foods are still good, even though they have lost almost complete nutritional value
>metals aren't completely rusted into nothing from radioactive acid rain
>people still speak english that is exactly the same as it was 200 years ago
>energy weapons don't instantly kill whatever they touch/barely tickle something
>power armour works but all vehicles except fucking helicopters are destroyed, not even bikes survived
>in 200 years the institute has only managed to make rubber BDSM body-suits, plants, and robot TOTALLY SLAVES GUYS DEEP STORYTELLING
>200 years until they decide to make a nuclear reactor to power their baking soda volcanoes
>institute has teleportation technology
>uses it to kidnap people and replace them with robots because why not
>said robots just kill people and make people hate the institute
>institute keeps doing it for no reason
>>318234148
I think you didn't work this out in your head.
A synth playing pretend in the wastelands doesn't mean he thinks exactly the same, just that he can act like that person.
It's like a surgeon and an actor he plays a surgeon.
One can save your life
The other will kill you but look like he knows what he is doing.
The synth isn't a perfect copy of the person
>>318234810
Being fucking honest would have saved a lot of lives. Fuck him.
>>318234810
>one of the only interesting quests in the game
>lasts five minutes
>still filled with ghouls so plebs don't get bored
>>318228806
Fallout 3 raiders were idiotic though, toning down the gore on them makes absolute sense.
I mean it is one thing to have a few heads on a stake next to your encampment but all the stupid hanging people from hooks in your living room stuff pisses me off to no end.
THAT SAID, I totally agree with you otherwise.
>>318234651
It's on his personal terminal. He outright says cybernetic augmentations like the one Kellogg has ruin human purity and that immortality through cybernetics isn't worth it.
>>318226780
if you leave Nick in the same settlement as synth shaun he'll sometimes call Nick mr. kelloggKellogg new body DLC maybe?
>>318235131
but replacing humanity with machines is alright
fuck off todd you cunt
>>318235035
>small, self contained nuclear reactor>>can only power a suit of armour for a day before shitting itself>>powered an entire building for 200 years prior without any interruptions
Gee, anon, that might have something to do with the fact that those fusion cores were built for a 100 year operational time.
>>318235131
>wanting pure humans
>wants to make humans better
????????
>>318230671
>>318231637
>Shaun steps one inch over the line
>you beat his ass with a belt like he's 5 years old
>>318234926
>I've got a ton of issues with the game, but the one I'm talking about deals with Raiders just being an obstacle like someone said earlier. They don't matter. They're literally bullet-sponges. They've got nice little story-bits scattered around and some of them even have names, but you'll never interact with them beyond blowing them to bits. They're so non-existent that their models could be replaced by big, grey rectangles that shoot at you and nothing would change.
and I'm telling you that is standard bethesda game design as well as an across the industry approach to blood filled xp rewards yet you expect something different
>>318234959
>>318235098
remember when radiation was deadly
>>318235175
the Institute doesn't want to replace humanity with synths though
>The older Fallout games and New Vegas have cybernetic augmentations
>The Institute hate cybernetic augmentations just because
>>318234726
is it just me or was eve ugly as fuck for a sex bot
>>318234959
anon those were other raiders/scavengers the lady bots says you are the 341 hire on
All most/all of those are people that got stuck like you but failed.
There was only 6 people in that lab but several ghouls, and skeletons.
>>318235187
>institute doesn't make more
>just makes shitty synths that look like humans so they can spy on people jerking off
why not just make synth power armour that is ALSO self aware, and keep doing that until you have giant synth gundams
oh wait because random dumbfuck townsperson #18 needs to be a synth because humanity redefined mumble mumble
>>318235008Fucking nothing
>>318233182
I can't even remember the plot to Binary Domain. The AI created synthetic humans just to... fuck with humanity? It didn't really have an end goal. Other than be human, I guess.
>>318235240
It's less my expectation and more that it doesn't fucking happen already. I'm pissed.
>>318234959
340 persons got locked in the lab before you. There was only six scientists in the lab when the bombs fells. Most of them are skeletons.
>>318233509
You will never have that raider girl who will beg for her life as everyone dies in front of her. You can take her in and slowly redeem her with the D.
Why did putting a grenade in someone's pocket not blow them up?
Did I mess up or did they remove that?
>>318235008
if you have done Blind Betrayal and he's at a settlement he turns into a mute settler in power armor. He can do chores and be sent places but he won't talk or be a follower.
Same thing happens to the Railroad follower if you kill the railroad gang but have him at a settlement
both will attack you if they are with you when you go to purge their respective group.
>>318229360
They're a stand-in for the illuminati
>super-sekret club organization
>delude others by saying they're doing the best for humanity, but are actually sociopathic and apethetic as fuck to the majority of society
>believe that current society can't be saved, so the want to destroy in favor of a new one where they're top-dog
>synths = cell phones, google, computer trackers, etc for keeping the people in-check
>meanwhile kidnapping people on the sides and turning them into dumb, strong workin-class mutants with the FEV so that they become as obedient as they were with the Master
>continue to do more experimenting with machinery so that they can eventually recreate themselves as bio-synth gods
You could ask the same questions about the illuminati as well. Okay so they want to bring down the population to 500 million and create a new world-order where they're the top-dog while they're at it. Then what?
>>318234929
>son...father...fuck it, your name is fucking shaun
>shaun, did you replace Mama Murphy with a synth?
>dad, it's not that simple
>you couldn't possibly understand my motivations
>it had to be done
>you just didn't feel like building her a chair, didn't you?
>she's a synth father, she doesn't need a chair
>>318234857
>>318234874
>>318234926
I think you all misunderstand what I am saying, what actually makes the raiders more scummy in NV from a visual and game-play perspective?
I know you can talk to them on a few occasions but how does that make them more scummy compared to the Fallout 4 ones?
>>318235454
You actually need a perk for it. Lvl 2 pickpocket.
>>318235454
You need level 2 of the perk for it to blow people up.
>There is Mr Handy fuel
>This means that all Mr Handy's eventually deplete their reserves and become inert
>Codsworth is still operating just fine off of the very few canisters of the fuel you had in your house
>Greygarden is operating just fine fueling many, many robots from seemingly zero supplies
Who is producing more fuel!?
>>318235454
It is behind a perk now.
real question, why can't I smooch Nick
>>318234959
How can there be so many be nitpicking critics like this and not pay attention?
It seems both hypocritical and counterproductive
>>318235539
From a gameplay and visual standpoint, nothing. They're the same.
But games, especially RPGs, can use storytelling and dialogue to add depth. It's why NV, while mechanically not very different to 3, is a far superior game.
>>318235131
I'm sorry but I can't trust the terminals
They go against both lore and there own game
>>318228806
All i wanted to see was a settlement of neutral muties just trying to get by. Or a raider town, with a synth brothel. Or interactions with settlers other than, "i wanna trade something" would've been nice.
Also i expected more weapon variety. I mean weapon modding was extremely simplistic, i really wanted Fo4 to top NV in that department.
