Holy shit I'm still salty over this game. Kojima spoils the whole game in the trailers its ridiculous.
>>318215886
Trailers were the best part of the game.
if only the game shown in the trailers was the game we got.
I feel you OP. Here I was hoping for a top down fixed camera awful controlling ''lol I wanted to be a movie director but I'm just not good enough as you can see from these hour long cringey cutscenes most of which could have been cut out but lol you're just a stupid kid what do you know anyway'' piece of shit, but instead I got a good game. I fucking hate having fun.
I'm still enjoying it but hey have fun rewatching the nuclear trailer I guess
>playing games for the story
>>318216216
>whole game shown in trailers
>WISH WE GOT WHAT WE SAW IN THE TRAILERS
make up ur mind fags.
>>318217063
Same.
>mfw I FINALLY get to play as the character I created now
>>318216216
this. Watching the trailers after the game shows how the trailers deceived us. fuuuck
>>318218749
MGSV has shit gameplay too. Tried going back today, completing the optional objectives in the missions, and it is just as tedious and braindead as the side ops.
The vr missions in MGS1 and MGS2 were faster, more interactive (no helicopter rides or travelling long distances), and more challenging. And the main campaign comes nowhere close to Snake Eater, especially the poorly designed bosses.
Its just a shitty game all around. Nearly every aspect of it.
>>318220472
whatever you say
MGSV is the most well designed and thought out open world game. It finally puts the story and bullshit like codec talks in it's rightful place and lets the gameplay truly take the center stage, but still retain the cutscenes and story elements, just puts them in the right place at the right time.
It is the first game that finally fully and perfectly executes the concept of non-linear gameplay, solving many balancing and gameplay challenges along the way.
After credits i was amazed by the fact that a lot of staff from first MGS have worked MGSV, the core team who made these games have not changed. MGS after all have created this trend of cool cutscenes and story over gameplay. But their way of making games have changed, they have realized by themselves the fact that gameplay must be at the center of any game, even MGS. In way it's a fucking heroic act. Reject the nature of your own shitty games to finally create a good game.
People who hate MGSV are people who like shitty games.
What the fuck were you expecting, another collection of long cutscenes with 20 minutes of boring gameplay in between them? Fuck i am glad that you got so disappointed.
>>318222648
You don't actually believe any of that, do you? The game is an absolute turd. Its not engaging at any level. You can go into any outpost and auto-aim everyone to death with an assault rifle.
The requirements for S rank are laughable. They don't approach, say, MGS2 on European Extreme. Going through levels isn't as fun as any of the side stuff you could do in Snake Eater.
>>318223296
muh nostalgia
muh rose tinted glasses
those old games have shit gameplay
>>318223296
MGS2 and 3 are only hard because the controls are so godawful
>>318223296
>You can go into any outpost and auto-aim everyone to death with an assault rifle.
good thing that's not the point of the game though
>>318223460
But it is. Did you not get the stun assault rifle? Don't tell me the Wu Pistol was only your only tranq weapon.
>>318223458
Not at all. They are easy to maneuver if you're good at videogames.
>>318223379
Better than anything in MGSV.
>>318223296
What a shitter, go re watch that angry gamingbrit review on youtube and cry how original mgs was soo good. Holy shit.
RESCUE PRISONER 1
RESCUE PRISONER 2
RESCUE PRISONER 3
RESCUE PRISONER 4
RESCUE PRISONER 5
RESCUE PRISONER 6
RESCUE PRISONER 7
RESCUE PRISONER 8
RESCUE PRISONER 9
RESCUE PRISONER 10
e.t.c.
>there are people who like this shit
>>318223623
you're supposed to interrogate as often as possible. and if you want challenge just do a FOB infiltration
>>318223821
versus
GET TO THE OTHER END OF THE HALLWAY
GET TO THE OTHER END OF THE HALLWAY
GET TO THE OTHER END OF THE HALLWAY
GET TO THE OTHER END OF THE HALLWAY
FIGHT THE BOSS
CUTSCENE
GET TO THE OTHER END OF THE HALLWAY
GET TO THE OTHER END OF THE HALLWAY
GET TO THE OTHER END OF THE HALLWAY
GET TO THE OTHER END OF THE HALLWAY
GET TO THE OTHER END OF THE HALLWAY
>>318223623
>>318223821
Shitposting from shitters who like movies instead of games, how nice. Even original core MGS team have realized something that you fail to understand.
>>318223917
>you're supposed to interrogate as often as possible
The game gives you baby markers and batman arkham xray vision which highlights materials, enemies, and pows. There is literally no reason to ever interrogate someone unless its a specific objective.
My personal opinion differs from your personal opinion. This is grounds for debate.
>>318224002
B-but there were cutscenes everywhere my stupid little brain loved them so much because i'm shit at videogames.
>>318224082
you know, it just fills out your map, points out collectables and diamonds, and gives you heroism. Yeah, you can half ass the stealth, but the brilliant thing about the game is you get penalized for it.
>>318224082
>There is literally no reason to ever interrogate someone unless its a specific objective.
Maybe to highlight the >materials, enemies, and pows
hidden cameras and sentries? No? Alright it's a baby casual game original MGS was soo hardcore OMG, just at how many buttons i have to press to skip all the cuscenes.
>>318224002
Actually, MGS2 went more like
GET TO TOP DECK
BOSS FIGHT
GET THROUGH ENGINE ROOM
AMBUSH
TAKE PHOTOS
BOMB DISPOSAL
BOSS FIGHT
USE DISGUISE
DISARM TRAPS ON BRIDGE
BOSS FIGHT
USE REMOTE CONTROLLED MISSILE
NAVIGATE FLOODED OFFICES
BOSS FIGHT
ESCORT MISSION
SNIPING MISSION
SNEAK WITHOUT EQUIPMENT
ENEMY GAUNTLET
BOSS
FINAL BOSS
And don't even get me started on MGS1 or MGS3. Those games had all kinds of crazy good shit going on.
>>318224034
No way. They catered to modern retards who couldn't get Big Boss rank in MGS2 or FOXHOUND rank in MGS3. Its a true failure in game design.
>>318223296
>The requirements for S rank are laughable
I think that allowing players to S-rank a mission by flagging the objective and running the fuck away on horseback is a greater level of creativity than was possible in other games.
>>318224556
and V has much more in terms of weapon customization and mechanics, your point?
>>318224374
Actually the brilliant thing is that you DON'T get penalized for it IF you are a smart player! You can develop your own strategies and have fun, things like shoot everyone in the foot or injure them some other way and then fulton them for 60 heroism to redeem the penalty of not playing stealthy, you even have the fulton dog loadout to compliment that strategy and many other possible strategies. Holy shit.
>>318224635
MGS4 had tons of weapon customization and like MGSV, it amounted to nothing. The point was that MGSV does not have variety in its mission structure. Its the same mission repeated over and over for 95% of the experiences.
>>318224767
uhh I think we're arguing the same thing.
>>318224785
no see, unlike 4, V had more than 20 minutes of gameplay.
>>318224785
and the variety comes from all the different tools you're given to mix up the gameplay
>>318215886
>Kojima spoils the whole game in the trailers its ridiculous
>WATCHING TRAILERS
Are you dumb?
Trailers for everything are spoilerific
You shouldve learned from what theyre doing in hollywood
>>318224767
Ah, the heroism mechanic. Thanks for mentioning that. Its a perfect representation of the bar filling Call of Duty nonsense that MGSV has been graced with. The higher your heroism, the higher stats your soldiers are. Just grind, grind, grind.
The whole non-mission part of MGSV is completely awful. Why do you have development timers for some weapons that go for hours on end? What purpose does that serve? What value does that add to the game?
FOB is a disaster on pc, and Konami charges you if you want to increase your FOBs beyond 1. Not only that, but you're incentivized to build more FOBs so you can send more combat deployments.
Who designed this game? Really amateur stuff.
>>318225192
>FOB is a disaster on pc
wut
>>318225192
Oh and to be clear, I mean the higher the soldiers' stats you encounter in the field are.
>>318224785
Weapon customization plays a vital part in non-linear nature of MGSV gameplay. SIDE OPS, MAIN OPS and FOBs even fucking shooting challenge on MB all have their own specific requirements that evolve when your skill gets better. I have customized my weapons for each. Even in the beginning of the game i had a lot of fun trying to make my loadout as cheap as possible but still functional. This game is so fucking thought out it blows my mind.
>>318225019
Shitters will never understand.
>>318225275
yeah, it's the economy that gives everything you do in the game weight
>>318225275
Add grenade launcher to assault rifle for combat.
Add suppressor to sniper rifle for stealth.
There you go, I just gave you 95% of the weapon customization that will help you.
>>318225019
Yes, MGSV is better than MGS4.
The bar doesn't get much lower.
>>318225484
>I ignore 95% of the game's content
>why is it so boring and lacking content;_;
200 hrs sunk into this game. No desire to play it anymore. After beating the game and all the side ops you relize just how empty and dull the world. No interactions with characters, just a dull empty world with some fire fights. Without a story there is nothing to urge you on. Getting gmp for upgrades gets old fast, fob missions is just a exercise in rinse and repeat, mgo is disappointing. The only thing that made the game great was the story. No story, and you see just how dull the game is.
>>318226145
>The only thing that made the game great was the story
well that, and the gameplay
>>318225484
Add suppressor to auto shotgun and you it as anti-material? Add laser sight to weapons you need to hipfire? Experiment which sight is better with what weapon? Add sleeping gas or stun launcher to sniper? Add 7.62 50 round mag to sniper? Add 20 AP rounds to assault rifle? Don't forget that all this shit needs to balanced and thought out. The mission has vehicles you need to destroy? Objects you need to shoot? Then you might have to sacrifice a slot in your loadout, for example that sweet tranq sniper. Or maybe you will fund a way around that in weapon customization menu. Or sacrifice your favorite buddy? Really, you are a shitter.
>>318226145
>200 hrs
>No desire
>rinse repeat
>200 hrs
>no story
>200 hrs
>>318226492
I think anon is saying that he wouldn't have minded a shorter ride, as long as it was more fun
>>318226549
Then he can go play CoD Black Ops, nice 9hrs ride.
>>318226549
>200 hrs
>>318226759
Black Ops is a legit better game than MGSV
Better story too
>>318226846
lel
>muh story
>>318226145
>fob missions is just a exercise in rinse and repeat
Maybe go fuck yourself?
>fighting games is just a exercise in rinse and repeat
>shooting games is just a exercise in rinse and repeat
>all great arcade games is just a exercise in rinse and repeat
I NEED MUH STORY OMG HATE YOU KOJIRA FOR MAIKNG ME SIT TROUGH ALL THIS BORING RINSE AND REPEAT
>>318225563
I'd rate MGS4 above V for actually having some semblance of level design amd interesting bosses
>reveal event to disarm all nukes
>turns out it just does exactly what everyone expected and a scene everyone saw already
>>318227078
>I'd rate MGS4 above V
>>318226846
Oh yeah story is the center of any game, nice. I also love books for their gameplay, if the action of turning opening and closing the book is boring fuck this book then.
>>318227078
Hyperbithero, hows your youtube channel doing?
>>318226920
>>318227186
>clearly indicated the better story as a secondary feature
>HURF DURF STORYFAG
V apologists are getting desperate
>>318227183
4 is a better overall package
V is some misshapen chimera that didnt even get finished
>>318227579
no, it's just that blops is not a better, or even above average, game
>>318227727
lol nopecut content =/= unfinished
>>318227579
Story is the main feature of CoD BO, it has very scarce gameplay and the only thing that can keep you occupied for mere 9hrs is the cutscenes and cool explosions, after that you will never go back to that "game".
>>318227836
mgs 5 is shit kid
>>318227939
maybe, but it sure as shit aint worse than 4
>>318227854
Sounds alot like MGSV, just put in a half assed open world and copypasta missions
>>318227836
>utter shitstorm of a development
>Kojima himself is dissappointed in the game
>thinks the game didnt literally get released unfinished
>>318228014
and weapon customization and fresh mechanics, and it isn't a rehash of a dead series, and
>Go and meet the scientist contact, should be a simple mission
>staring the skulls
>staring skullface
>>318228140
Kojima said some small things didn't turn out exactly the way he wanted, but overall he was satisfied
>>318228207
>I never played Black Ops
>>318228014
The good open world game needs over 500 collectibles, 100 self-solving puzzles for braindead and shitton of viewpints to synchronize, right? And a lot of shitty missions because quantity over quality is the best way, riiight?
>>318228340
I have. it's just another cod game...
>>318228326
If the guy outright says he cant play the game at his own house, and can only tolerate it if someone else is playing, while lamenting over not being able to tweak it more, then something went very fucking wrong.
And all that happened on Twitter shortly after release, look it up if you dont beleive me.
>>318228423
Then youd know it has weapon customization and MGSV borrows alot from its "barebones" mechanics
Ironically enough Blops2 managed to have a better Afghanistan and Angola stages too
I'm convinced that anyone who defends this game may be clinically ill.
How does a game, which was never fucking completed, NOT get a fucking 0.0/10 from everyone?
I'm a fucking MG FANBOY. I played the MSX titles and even fucking loved Portable Ops and Peace Walker. I own a Metal Gear REX replica that set me back half a fucking grand.
Fuck Phantom Pain.
>>318228560
I know what tweet you're talking about. I'm sure working on a game for that long will give you a unique perspective on it, but it sounds like you're just butthurt the game didn't cater to your headcanon
>>318228679
sure thing
>>318228714
The game is still super fun. I give it an 8. If it had a story that felt more complete it would be one of the greatest games of all time.
>>318228717
Imo the story is the least offensive part of MGSV, its actually not that bad
The gameplay is utter shit though, borrowing so much from inferior devs like Ubisoft but still not even hitting their level when it comes to open world and genrally not being fucking boring. (A fucking dlc game like Blood Dragon has a better open world than V)
Keep trying tho
>>318228560
He said that he can't play at his own house at this later stage of development because he will always find new things to fix, add or change and that way the game is never gonna get finished, it's the problem of any good developer. He never said the game is unfinished.
>>318228893
This, it's super fun to play.
Which kind of makes it even more disappointing that the story was so fucking unfinished and they never give you truly interesting scenarios or environments to use the excellent gameplay they made.
>>318228987
>people on this board unironically believe this
>>318228998
The Collectors Edition material very clearly indicated the game was unfinished
Labeling "cut content" is just putting a band-aid over a 3rd degree burn.
Lets not even talk about "Chapter 2"
>>318229079
needed more 50 minute cutscenes with otacon crying I agree
>>318215886
Only thing that really disappointed me is this small list of gripes
>no random Mujaheddin vs USSR firefights around the map
>no civilians
>can't call in a squad of Diamond Dogs to help you in a firefight when shit hits the fan
That last one was just for the sake of me wanting to feel more attached to my staff really, something the game desperately needed as a pretext for the quarantine mission. Otherwise it was a solid 8/10
>>318228987
The open world is a bit empty but it doesn't really matter, I didn't play V for a sandbox experience. The map is designed well enough to have various approaches and that's all really needs.
>>318229147
Its called actually playing games and keeping up with the latest trends
MGSV is bland as fuck once you realize it does nothing other game havent done better
Inb4 that one faggot so impressed with the animations and industry standard controls
>>318229191
This argument has been proven false more than once, like when reddit was convinced the mosquito event was some huge thing when it wasn't even cut and was just a FOB event kek
>>318228679
There is no weapon customization in blops singleplayer. There is no thought out connection with weapon possibilities and gameplay, player objectives, all weapons in cod are the same and serve the same purpose, weapons in MGS are different and serve different purposes, weapon choice and weapon customization have direct and meaningful thought out impact and gameplay in MGSV. You're fucking idiot who talks out his ass.
>>318229272
He was right, D-Dog is a fucking wolf.
>>318229386
Mission 51
gg
>>318229375
>I don't like it so it's shit!
No other game has shootan that feels as original as this... give me one game released within the last 10 years that mixed TPS and FPS as seamlessly as this one
>average gameplay
>watered down base managing mechanics from peace walker
>watered down stealth mechanics from mgs 3 and 4
>no cool gadgets or fun items
>barely any variations between guns, who cares though it's not like it really matters
>no difficulty setting
>buddy system is the worst thing possible
Seriously this game gets blown the fuck out by a handheld remade into a console game. Peace Walker is just the more overall fun game. I wanted MGS V to essentially be Peace Walker 2.0 but instead it felt like half the mechanics were added last second to pay homage to Peace Walker.
>>318229191
You thing MGS1,2,3 didn't had cut unfinished missions? What a fucking idiot.
>>318229440
The weapons in V all serve the same purpose too, you dont really need anythig other than the tranq and grendades when you boil it down
If you want a game where each weapon has a purpose talk about MGS1/2
>>318229486
>one mission
wow
>>318229557
GTA5
>>318215886
>spoils the whole game in the trailers
great hyperbole there you cockmongler
>>318229646
tranqs have no penetration and grenades are too deadly to rely on. You're arguing the game is shit because it doesn't railroad you into using specific weapons?
>>318229658
>>318229646
It's like you faggots haven't played the game and see how clear the budget was cut after the end of the first chapter.
>>318229375
You actually just compared MGSV with western copypasted boring as fuck open world schlock with no gameplay and no difficulty from Ubi, Cockstar and WB games etc? Go eat shit you subhuman trash. Holy fuck you live in a world you deserve.
>>318229806
I'm saying the game has no challenge and you "weapon choice" is superficial at best. Kinda like how the weapon shop in MGS4 was pretty pointless.
>>318229742
nice try, but no
>having to fiddle with the camera is a fucking nuisance
>the game is barely a shooter
>>318229909
>it dosent count cuz i said so
Besides, one superficial mechanic dosent save the whole game from being utterly inferior to its siblings.
>>318229829
uhhh proofs?
>>318229907
except the game has plenty of challenge, and what do you mean by superficial? angry that an open world game gives you choice?
>>318215886
It's the fucking fact that that shit was done by 2011/2012 and the next few years he didn't really focus on finishing the game. So the whole time those scenes were already planned like that and he kept fucking off to do side projects like PT/Silent HIlls and travel with Joofsten.
>>318229991
>He thinks an edited cutscene = to an entirely new map and boss fight.
>>318230002
>shooting in a shooter
>superficial
what? It's superficial in GTA sure because it isn't a shooter
>>318230014
I said again, the choices dont matter.
Kojima spread himself too thin on stupid bullshit once again, the open world being the biggest offender.
Once again /v/ proves it has the absolute worst taste of all boards.
>>318230094
Whole fucking plant chapter is unfinished cut content judjung by your fucktard logic. Theres even no textures at the end...
>>318229873
Reminder that Kojima was jealous of GTAV and wanted his games to take a more Western design philosophy
MGSV is what you get, lol
>>318230175
>Your choice of gun in a FPS doesn't matter
come again? It certainly matters in FOBs where you have cyphers flying around everywhere or you don't want to lose heroism for killing soldiers
>>318229829
It's just not worth it. Post a comprehensive list of shit wrong with the game, they'll just got "lol I liked it though 10/10 GOTY"
MGSV is in some weird grey area. It's not great, but it's not horrible either.Because the gameplay is functionalFuck the weapon selection though holy shit..
>Gun customization
V has the shittiest one I've ever seen. All you ever need is a suppressed sniper rifle and the Carl Gustav same with PW.
>>318230334
Anyone who rates MGSV any higher than a 7 is probably on drugs or never actually played a good game in their life.
>>318230334
it's almost as if people have different opinions oh wow
>>318230348
>Fuck the weapon selection though holy shit..
The non-lethal options are fucking awful, taking into consideration how many fucking weapons are IN the damn game.
>>318230014
>instead of new missions you get old ones with modifiers
>Man of Fire is just left on the quarantine platform
>plot reduce to single disconnected events
>secret ending even has the same fucking tutorials from the start, not even explained why the player is witnessing the events
And we are back to Eli and the Third Child just leaving aka missing 51. Only Quiet's missions feel conclusive.
>>318230519
how many non-lethal weapons do you need?
>>318230583
>muh story
>>318225135
Historically, mgs trailers were completely misdirecting lies. I guess the trick this time was that they were actually an accurate representation.
>>318230250
Nope. MGS2 flowed well toward the end with no hiccups in the story or the gameplay.
MGSV is not eligible for that claim.
>>318230276
But MGSV has difficulty, challenge, fun gameplay, stuff to do that does not implies that you're a braided by default. It's a product that i can call a videogame, not interactive camera journey with some button presses sometimes. You see while borrowing some concepts from western shit MGSV have achieved something western trash never will,
>>318230787
>gameplay
Because it had none.
>>318224002
Jesus christ I want that ass on my face
>>318230798
This $5 slavshit game alone outclasses everything MGSV was trying to do
>>318230519
I was talking about the weapon/item toggling but yes, the selection is pretty bad too. Once, I got the G44 every other rifle was useless.
>>318230916
MGS2 has more gameplay than MGSV ever dreamed of having
>>318230951
nah, stalker always played like slavshit and you complain about cut-content in MGS, but that series is just unpolished af.
>>318227743
What? Yes it is. There is actually a reason to use the different guns, the story ends, and it succeeds as an action game where mgsv failed as a stealth game.
>>318231051
Except that MGSV has far better gameplay than any other game in the series. The amount of control you have over Snake is absurd and all without the clumsy controls of the older games.
>>318231051
10/10
You deserved it, bravo.
>>318231180
yeah ok I forgot we liked CoD now
you cuc ks defending this games bad story should jump off a cliff
>>318229312
These are my personal issues too.
Maybe on ongoing sense of conflict during the Side OPs, or maybe actively participating in Combat deployments would have strengthened the gameplay to the development aspects.
Sure, you need a fulton and and an anti-tank launcher for some missions, but all other development was kind of pointless with the ability to resupply at a moment's notice
>>318231147
Cut content in Stalker amounts to a few monsters and never does the game actually feel unfinished, they polished the shit out of what content they released.
MGSV? Fuck no. They just hit compile after Kojima got fired and sent that shit to Gamestop.
>>318230951
No it does not. It's a poorly designed game with poor gameplay and not satisfying gunplay. While i adore the art direction and atmosphere of this game, because i am russian. I can even tell you without any jokes that people who worked on this game agree that it is shit gameplay wise.
>>318231357
yeah you can stop posting now
>>318231447
Thats definitely the case with COP
I bought dirty bomb today becuase I felt like being a contrarian about BF4. I haven't refunded something so fast in my life
>>318229607
You think leaving out the final mission and boss fight was a design choice?
>>318231584
nope
>>318231692
I didn't develop the game so I don't know, but I do know that one cut mission is hardly enough to turn the game to shit or cry about
>>318228207
>fresh mechanics
>vehicles, buddies, and....
Both of those mechanics dont belong in a stealth game and I wouldnt exactly call them fresh.
>>318231285
CoD was always a solid series
BLOPS1/2 are better MGS games than MGSV
I'm190in, and still haven't finished the Truth mission. Half the fun in the game comes from trying new things, and different approaches. Go through a mission with nothing but C4 and the Water Pistol. Mow down everyone using nothing but D-Horse. The list goes on, and on.
>>318231825
It's a cut mission that gives closure to two important characters, would add some really important character development for Venom AND an epic final boss fight. But it doesn't mean shit, sorry.
>>318231285
Fuck that I'm speaking for myself, not /v/. Believe me that I never exoected.y favorite game this year that featured mechanical limbs, schizophrenia, mind control, and the dangers of AI was gonna be black ops 3, but it is. Kojima failed, end of story.
>>318231828
and control scheme, and the economy
the game controls like a dream. I don't know why you'd get butthurt over the option to drive vehicles though
>>318224635
""""Customization"""" is fucking pointless when all of the guns end up feeling the same anyway.
>>318231856
definitely screencapping this
>>318231692
Yes because it does not affect overall gameplay integrity of the game, the gameplay is what matters and they were clearly focused on spending manpower to perfect it. To make every mission feel unique and have routes to complete it. Fuck mission 51. I only wish there was more SUBSISTENCE missions.
>>318229557
MGS4, and did it better too.
>>318231692
I'm 99% positive someone is paying Donald Trump to act so retarded. It's like the government wants to portray hardcore republicans as idiots, so they took the biggest business mogul they could find and made him the punchline for the entire republican party.
No one could be as stupid as him as he appears, and still become a billionaire
>>318231924
the game doesn't force you to try new things so it's shit
>>318231989
>muh story
>muh important characters
>>318228002
Is that 'Le Current Year' man?
>>318232210
The thing is you dont NEED to try new things, thats a failure in game design.
>>318232146
Fuck, all missions should have an option for subsistence and extreme,
>>318232172
too bad they forgot to put in actual gameplay
>>318230714
>muh damage control and deflecting the focus because I have nothing to say in response
Ok faggot.
>>318232246
>MGS
>known as "movie" game
>but the story is not important!
>>318232310
Most.
Cloaked in silence and Sally would be rough for subsistence. Extreme definitely though.
>>318232119
All 3 blopses are better than mgsv. Not better "mgs" games though, and I'm not sure what that claim is getting at. I guess they had stronger plot twists and more cohesive narratives, which is a large part of the appeal of mgs, but they don't even try to be stealth.
>>318232294
...but you do? You have different enemies requiring different types of weapons, as well as the remixed missions that change up the gameplay
>>318232473
lol ok
>>318232493
Beat the whole game with wu pistol, a low level sniper, and a grenade launcher, so no you fucking don't. Changed my loadout like once.
>>318232654
so you didn't even play the subsistence missions :P
>>318232606
>le ebin cod is bad meme
Post your kd or fuck off. You have no way of knowing if a game is bad unless you are good at it.
>>318232019
>and control scheme
It's a dumbed down version of MGS4.. It doesn't even have all the movement/cqc mechanics 4 had.
>economy
Literally copy/pasted from Peace Walker, dispatch missions downsized/cut to shit.
>butthurt over the option to drive vehicles
Not butthurt, just rational. Vehicles have no place in a stealth game, neither does open world design. Vehicles are only in to help traverse the empty barren poorly designed areas.
>>318232876
it's not a meme.
>>318232810
Played all the ones up to the truth mission. Don't see how that matters, if only 10% of a game is good that's bad.
>>318232929
whatever you say
>>318232876
>You have no way of knowing if a game is bad unless you are good at it
Not sure if serious..
>>318228714
Post Rex
>>318229991
How many people do you think that would of killed?
I understand that die hard mgs fans can't move on. It sucks that it wasn't what everyone wanted, but the game is what it is, and nothing is gonna change that. There's still at least 2 giant maps to sneak around on. I've been playing this series since MGS1 and saddened that this is the note it ended on, but sometimes you gotta make due with what you've got, I still load up occasionally and sneak around have fun, it doesn't have to be as bad as we make it.
>>318232929
>game takes place in a desert
>it's barren
do you spend most of your time wandering the fields in free roam or something?
>>318233112
I play every fucking day to get those mb coins. I want a third FOB but I'm not giving Konami another cent.
>>318232210
>>318232294
If you want to play better and have better scores better results and complete new objectives you have to try new shit, so the game DOES forces you to try new shit, but ONLY if you are NOT a subhuman trash who does not want to get better. It's actually brilliant design decision that let's brainded people enjoy the game all the same without hampering in any way enjoyment of decent players. For example all western open world games are designed with only one hypothetical completely braided player in mind, thats why they have to challenge, no difficulty and no gameplay, all hail to beautiful batman and assassins creed one button combat systems and exploration checklists.
>>318233051
Seeing as you won't (and can't) refute anything I just said, then yeah.. whatever I say in this situation is right.
>>318233112
I'm not going sit there and convince myself MGSV is worth playing, I'll just move on and play better games.
The entire point is that the gameplay was golden, but the story was lacking as fuck.
For a game like this, the story and gameplay must work in tandem. You have to give a shit about WHY you are doing what you are doing, or else it just doesn't feel complete. You can capture ever single bumfuck outpost, but with no real drive or reason it just isnt fun.
The real reason everyone hates it is because it had the potential to become the greatest fucking game ever made. It was all there. The story totally failed to deliver on the promises of the gameplay. So much fucking potential down the shitter. And to think it was the last one we will ever get.
>>318233245
nothing you said made any sense, I don't know why I'd waste time refuting it
>>318232959
Yes it is. Cod is one of the most objectively good games ever made, especially the recent treyarch iterations. It's hard, complex, has tons of meaningful customization, decent weapon balance could be better I guess, unique maps with good flow that reward map knowledge and awareness, well balanced new movement mechanics, a fun story with endearing characters that doesn't take itself too seriously and actually makes sense, good music, good graphics, good user interface, intuitive controls, and tons of content.
>>318233293
>muh story
maybe just take the game for what it is, and not for what you built up in your head? Story or no, it's still the best shooter released in the last few years
>>318233476
Look at the trailers
Look at ALL of the preceding games
You are an absolute retard if you believe there wasnt an implication of there being a very involved and expansive story present in this game.
I would go as far as to say the story was the main fucking selling point for the whole deal
>>318233469
lol
MGSV is still better. BLOPS is the same rehashed COD gameplay, with a retarded story and the occasional filler RTS missions thrown in the mix
>>318233141
>do you spend most of your time wandering the fields in free roam
No, because there's literally nothing to do. Which begs the question why even waste time and money making it "open world"? A series of smaller areas with actual level design would have been far better. GZ was perfect in this aspect. There was literally no point in making this game open world. Open world destroyed any semblance of good level design, and only served to bloat the games runtime with long horseback and helicopter rides that show you the same bland scenery over and over.
>>318233068
I am, 100%. Unless you are a genius theorycrafter it is nearly impossible to judge the depth of a game without approaching mastery. For most unskilled players, cod is more than deep enough to keep them busy for hundreds of hours.
>>318233476
>best shooter released in the last few years
Are you fucking serious?
>>318233276
I don't blame you. I dont mean to imply it's the greatest game in the series. I still love MGS 1-3 more, but I know that it's still probably the best third person shooter or sneaker out at the moment and want to enjoy what I can from it before konami begins to release it's silent hill homecoming equivalent.
It sucks we never became demons. it sucks Kojima had to be a rusefag instead of giving us exactly what we wanted/expected from the trailers.
I wanted to become a demon. I wanted to see Big Boss become the Big Boss we encounter in MG1/2
I wanted child soldiers. I wanted torture. I wanted war crimes. I wanted to go nuclear, but we didn't, and never will, because Kojima stretched out the character arc so long, he left before he could finish it.
I'm sure he meant to create Metal Gear Solid 6 before this Konami shit happened, but now it's fucked and we'll never see it happen.
>>318233640
it's not my fault you bought into the hype AGAIN.
>I would go as far as to say the story was the main fucking selling point for the whole deal
And I'd go so far as to call you an idiot
>>318233293
You just an idiot who needs closure. But theres a million of people out there who keep playing, logging in and doing missions or FOBs, the trick has worked because the game had no closure, had no end. The phantom pain is what keeps them going :^)
>>318233765
But Venom's horn grows and you get bathed in blood, lol.
>>318233276
I'm anti DLC and I bought the NS fatigues because I'm such a mgsfag, it was only a dollar but I still feel pure regret. I hope kojimbo goes nuclear and blows their HQ building up
One of the few good things MGSV brought us
>>318233667
yeah?
>>318233852
Meant for >>318233216
>>318233469
I'm screencapping this shit.
>>318233812
You mean the hype that the people making a game created?
With the trailers they put out to advertise their game?
So because the people making the game tricked me, I'm an idiot?
>>318233957
again, you're an idiot
>>318233957
The video game industry is all about fucking lies. We are all idiots for believing in anything related to video games.
>>318233469
Maps in BLOPS3 are garbage btw, and the multiplayer is barebones af through the entire franchise.
Game is ugly as shit, too
>>318233845
He's a fucking saint. he's rescuing child soldiers. He's disarming the world, he's maintaining a sanctuary for animals rescued from warzones
Hell, even when he's supposed to be evil, he's only killing his men to contain an outbreak that would literally end Western civlization.
>>318233319
It all made perfect sense you blithering idiot. Pray tell, what parts were difficult for your dumb ass to understand?
The game controls exactly like MGS4 only with less stuff you can do.
The "economy" you speak of isn't new or fresh, it's copied and pasted from the previous game.
The vehicles serve no purpose other than traversing an empty landscape in free roam.
Open world doesn't add anything to the game except artificial length.
I can't be more clear and blunt than that. If those statements "dont make sense" to you then you're literally fucking retarded. But we both know thats probably not the case. You just read something you didn't like reading and that you have no response to, to you're being dismissive and non-chalant about it saying "hurr durr didn't make sense anyway why would I even try?"
tl;dr you're a fucking goofball who can't deal with being wrong.
>>318233852
I actually bought those too... and will probably buy any dlc for MGO... But I'm not paying for MB coins!
>>318234218
the economy is nothing like how it was in 4. Everything else you said is either wrong or opinion.
>>318234436
Peace Walker
Thank god I spent my money on Mad Max that day instead.
I got a fun game with an actual ending instead of an emotional rollercoaster ending with crippling disappointment
>people ITT are literally defending 4 and CoD
what happened to this place?
>>318234557
MGSV is just that bad
>>318234549
no you picked wrong friend
>>318234557
SJWs won.
1=3>2>PW>PO>4>V
>>318234623
This.
MGSV is a good Game, but it is a SHIT MGS game.
>Developers create objectively shitty games because reasons like no experience, but games sell well because le free market
>Developer strive to get better they acknowledge that old games were shit and because they are japanease after all they want to make better games
>They fix everything and create great games with objectively great and thought out gameplay
>Fans hate it because they are stupid deceived idiots and they want "good old" shitty game design back
>Resident Evil series
>now MGS
le circle of life
>>318233658
Since when does depth = overall quality of a game? Is Super Mario Bros bad because of its simplicity? Do you think you need to beat the game to know if its good or not? People call COD bad because it's the same shit reskinned every single year. Like Madden or something. You don't require skill in a game to see through its bullshit. I'm just not seeing your point here.
>>318233319
>being this bootyblasted about getting rekt
Embarrassing.
>>318234623
sorry you cant enjoy a good game. Maybe your opinions will improve once you're old enough to post on this site
>>318234760
What does that have to do with people liking garbage like CoD and Mad Max?
Christ, you faggots must have seen the tralers how many times, and you got so disappointed that a story, that had already ended over 3 games ago, didn't live up to your specific expectations and now all you can do is shit up literally every single MGS thread with your nonsense whining. It really is pathetic and a little bit funny
>>318234768
Streamlined modernized homogenization =/= "fixing"
>>318234796
I'm sorry you convinced yourself MGSV is actually in the "good" category
>>318235021
are you actually implying, in this current year, that V was not good?
>>318233112
I feel the same way, anon. Still my least favorite MGS, but only because it barely feels like MGS. Still fun and silly, I guess.
I still think about what it could have been from time to time.
>>318234436
>hurr durr what is Peace Walker
Like I said, copied and pasted.
>Everything else you said is either wrong
Name one incorrect statement I've made.
>opinion
About what? The vehicles? Oh sure, they have other uses, like running over enemies after they spot you. You can also collect them and sell them just like every other object in the game, sure.
As tools they are utterly fucking redundant and that's not an opinion, it's fact.
I'm beginning to think you don't even have a basic grasp of the english language because you keep saying things like "wrong" and "opinion" when everything I've said so far is in fact, true facts.
Feel free to point out what you think is wrong or opinionated instead of sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "la la la I cant hear you so you're wrong and I'm right because I can't deal with being wrong stop triggering me".
>>318235082
With a straight face.
>>318234990
What's so streamlined about tank controls in RE4? Or laggy aiming? It is hard on purpose, so it can create fun shooting experience that you can get better at with time. Better than backtracking, inventory management hell with no gameplay, right?
>>318235093
>never see anybody on base like this
>never see animals wandering
The lies, Jack.
>>318235370
the economy was also better than what we got in PW.
>they both use GMP so its da same
>>318235540
RE4 is one of the greatest action games of all time.
>>318235546
they put animals on their own platform oh wow
>Lets tease you about 1 lethal virus container being saved by Mantis
>Lets tease you about eli having a lethal virus that can wipe out every english speaker on the planet
>Lets tease you about a big robot that has just been repaired be stolen by a character that hates the main character
>LOL joking, it was really nothing, forget about that prease
>>318235635
RE6 is objectively better.
>>318235546
Right? I'm surprised that some small things that appeared to be complete didn't end up being in the game. At least you see them in cutscenes? It's a bit weird.
The only plot-related stories that were actually well done (and concluded) were Paz and Quiet.
Not only were they the only female characters in the game, but they actually had significant meaning and character development for Venom.
>Venom going through the entire game in a state of dissociative fugue with Paz really being the only emotional connection he harbored, while struggling to come to terms with his regret for not being able to save her.
>Quiet was thrown into the same position he was. Loss of identity, depression, melancholy. Following orders for the sake of some continuation of a life they both lost. Nothing else really connecting them to the world.
The only element they could've expanded on was Quiet's backstory, before Cyprus. But for a game with no other resolutions and shitty one dimensional characters, it was the better than expected.
>>318235854
B-but the story is not important!
>>318235854
>Lets tease you about a big robot that has just been repaired be stolen by a character that hates the main character
But he does not, he hates his father, and you're not his father so fuck off.
>>318235917
I would wager a lot of it can just be summed up to kojima getting fired or cut off before he could finish everything up. Whether or not that's his fault or konami being cunts, we'll never know.
>>318235917
Maybe because its more fun too shoot at target by yourself than watch NPC do it? Gameplay is not important in the game right?
>>318235568
>the economy was also better than what we got in PW
No, it was literally the exact same as in PW, except with less content. You develop weapons and items (of which PW had far more variety), deploy soldiers and vehicles on dispatch missions (which in PW you could actually watch simulated battles play out), and expand your base. Only in PW you could actually build and customize Zeke to send out on dispatch missions, indefintitley, while in TPP you "build" (i.e. wait for a timer to expire) Battle Gear and then use it for a whopping total of 4 dispatch missions before you never see/hear from it again.
You can try moving the goal posts again but I think you've run out of field when it comes to the economy subject. Care to address the rest of my post now so I can carefully explain just how much of a fucking idiot you are?
>>318235993
you can have a great video game without any story so yeah it really isn't. MGS ended with 4 and this was a satisfying conclusion to the Operations spinoff so who cares
>>318236005
>you're not his father so fuck off.
He thinks you're him you fucking moron, it doesn't matter if the player know about this or not, he call you "Father" for a reason, please troll harder.
>>318235093
>>318235546
>>318235917
It's so you'd feel that phantom pain
>>318236160
>it was literally the exact same, except it wasn't
wuh?
>>318236221
Nice meme
>We'll never get a director's cut
Why did Konami kill a Golden Goose? MGSV's sales were very good.
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2015/10/30/metal-gear-solid-v-the-phantom-pain-sales-has-reached-five-million-copies-shipped/
Not even a year old and its just 2 years short from reaching the same number of copies sold as MGS1 and 2. I refuse to believe it's not a profitable game.
>>318235093
Trust me I do too, I bought the mgs3 outfit purely to make it feel a little more like home, and every time I load up I wish it was what I had envisioned months before release. but then I go and play something like assassins creed or fo4 and realize for as shit of an mgs game as this is, it still has triple the heart a lot of the games nowadays do.
>>318236165
No fuck you. Stories are not required for every game, but they can elevate and justify the gameplay so yes, story is important depending on the game. And Metal Gear games are very heavy on story.
>>318236271
>not understanding meta-narrative
lol stay stupid kiddo
>>318219575
Pretty sure its missing stuff from the NUCLEAR trailer.
