>Upgrading to Windows 10 is free for a limited time
>Yes, free! Full version of Windows 10, not a trial
So is it free for a limited time or is it the full version for free? I don't get it. I'm aware this is more of a /g/ thing, but how is Win10 for gaming? Should I even bother or just stick with 8.1?
>>318170448
why are you asking this on /v/ instead of /g/?
You upgrade and you have it free for life. That's it.
I wouldn't really bother upgrading yet.
>>318170448
for a limited time you can upgrade to a full version of windows 10
>>318170717
/thread
>>318170448
It's free forever for a limited time.
It's bretty gud too. I get 10 more Fps on Fo4 now.
>>318170606
Because 8.1 has been working out pretty well for me thus far in terms of gaming, was just wondering if Win10 is the same deal from people who have actually upgraded. /g/ doesn't play vidya, anon. They're a bunch of fucking nerds.
At the moment, you can upgrade to Win10 for free. This offer is limited in time. In other words, if you wait, you might have to buy Win10 to upgrade.
>>318170448
>Should I even bother or just stick with 8.1?
Unless you're paranoid about Microsoft knowing you fap to incest porn, there's no reason not to upgrade from 8.1.
wow op you are so stupid holy fuck me
>>318170448
Who would you even want it?
Few days ago they started uninstalling user apps from PC without mentioning a word, can you really trust such company with anything.
I think there was a time when some dude got V& because he was keeping in cloud something against the law, if MS found it it means they basically scan your private shit when you upload it.
The whole thing reeks of totalitarian nightmare.
>>318170448
Enjoy your spyware NSA-backdoor poor performance poor interface bug-ridden insecure macos-wannabe shitbox.
>>318170448
It's free!*
*until you swap out a significant hardware part of your pc, then the license expires and you need to buy a new full license.
At the moment I think I'll just stick with Windows 8.1. The only thing I'm even remotely interested in for 10 is that I can make the taskbar black.
But really who gives a shit when it's a very questionable operating system.
>>318170838
Win 10 is just more of 8.1, big surprise. Well, 8.1 with forced updates anyway.
>>318170861
Oh wow, now I feel incredibly stupid. Anyway, thanks for the advice. Mods can delete this now, I don't think I'm gonna bother. I don't even mind Win8 tbqh.
It's fucking free, goy.
Just fucking upgrade it.
>>318170947
>Few days ago they started uninstalling user apps from PC without mentioning a word, can you really trust such company with anything.
Interesting. Got a source?
>I think there was a time when some dude got V& because he was keeping in cloud something against the law, if MS found it it means they basically scan your private shit when you upload it.
>keeping in the cloud something against the law
I'm not even going to ask a source for this one. Not sure how people can be this retarded.
>>318171124
is this true?
>>318171320
except, don't upgrade now if you play to upgrade any hardware you have within the next year.
just wait until the very last day of the upgrade offer to be safe
>>318171373
It's always been true for Windows licensing.
However, if you call their automated number, you can activate the new hardware no problem, even if the hardware is completely different. Of course, don't do this too many times with one license.
>>318171373
they gracefully allow you to downgrade back to win 7 or 8.1, but they also automatically delete the downgrade files after a month so they'll hold your files hostage until you a) buy a full win 10 license or b) do a clean reinstall of win 7/8.1
>>318171370
>Interesting. Got a source?
https://www.google.pl/search?q=windows+10+uninstall+programs+without+permission&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=6-1ZVrPxFIq_ygO435GABQ
>>318171546
typicallythis used to be true, but not for the free upgrade they're doing now, read the fne print
>WHAT UPDATE?
>HATE WINDOWS
>SUPPORT WINDOWS
>NO THANKS
>>318171124
>>318171373
>>318171426
>>318171546
This is the way it has always worked with OEM licenses.
And you can use your Windows key to install that and then upgrade to 10 for free
And in an incoming patch that key can be used for installing Windows 10 directly.
That is if you have a real Windows 7/8/8.1/10 key and not an OEM one.
>>318170448
>free
It's not free. It costs your freedoms.
They would have to pay me to "upgrade" to Windows 10. And I'd still likely decline.
The Linux revolution can't come fast enough. Microsoft needs to straighten out their act. They need competitors.
I have it on my designated video game computer, I do not browse the internet or install pirated games on it.
>>318171661
I've used one Windows 8 key to 'upgrade' my 3 PCs to 10. All 3 activated no problem.
Oy vey it's free goy! Don't worry about what information we're tracking!
>>318171791
DESIGNATED
>>318171897
SHITTING
>>318171872
lol who gives a shit? I got nothing to hide.
Yes good goy! Upgrade to the completely free version of Windows with more government backdoors and intrusiveness than any other OS in history! If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear! IT'S FREE!
>>318171768
back to /g/ you fucking paranoid
>>318171768
>The Linux revolution
it will never come, linux is a failed concept and we need some new brand that's not associated with being a second rate niche nerdcore OS or school OS
>>318171796
The best part is that they should all get their own unique win10 keys. atleast I believe that is how it works.
>>318171796
i guess they're letting that kind of stuff slide for now because they want to build the userbase for their windows store, but as soon as the upgrade offer is up they might start requiring a microsoft account for every license and whatnot
i just don't trust them anymore
Wow, they're letting me install a shitty spyware program with an operating system attached for free. How kind of them.
>>318171086
holy shit. is that real?
>>318171648
Hmm. I use several of those programs and they're still installed after the fall rollup. Guess this is just more FUD, figures.
>>318171970
That's the spirit friend! We'll deliver ads specific to your interests!
>>318171738
Why the hell wouldn't OEM count? Who buys anything other than OEM?
>ignore Windows pestering me about 10
>suddenly have terrible SVChost memory leak that I have to constantly babysit
>neither Avast nor Malwarebytes think the file is infected
>can't find any solutions anywhere
GEE
>>318171086
ive seen nothing but improvements upgrading from 7 to 10, boot times being the first.
>>318171998
All that's needed is for Valve to port Steam's catalogue to Linux. While funding APIs like Vulkan to fruition.
Why does Microsoft hate /g/ so much?
>>318172167
Just like Win 7.
>>318172182
Don't even pretend you know what's going on in that webm.I would like to know though because I ain't got a fucking clue.
>>318172294
That's because digital backdoors and your OS spying on you for Microsoft are invisible unless you actually understand how to computer.
>>318170798
>I get 10 more Fps on Fo4 now.
Really? No bullshitting?
I may consider upgrading if this is true.
Been avoiding it since I heard window 10 is bad for watching chinese cartoon.
>>318172182
Yup.
>>318171998
Android is a Linux distro.
>>318172374
>>318170798
>It's free forever for a limited time.
>>318172185
After initial fallout MS disabled ittemporarilybut quite honestly, it does everything conspiracyfags screamed years ago and were ridiculed for and it does even more.
You would have to be very inconsiderate person to even consdier W10 for anything but burning in a trash bin.
>>318172475
So? It's a phone OS. I was talking desktop OS.
>>318172374
they tell you you can disable cortana from listening to you. but it enables itself again
Also remember all those guides that tell yyou what to disable to prevent the spying? MS just renamed all the processes and reenabled them
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/26/microsoft_renamed_data_slurper_reinserted_windows_10/
>>318171373
In the same way it was true for XP and Vista, so not very. Just call CS and ask for a new key, they are incredibly lax about the whole thing.
>>318172294
oh well in that case sure just throw away your basic rights and personal dignity for a 5-second faster boot time.
>>318172374
It's Microsoft's latest impression of ubuntu.
>>318172374
Every time you open something, write something, watch a movie and fap to pictures of perfectly legal ladies after 70s (the best age, just like wine but smells differently) your W10 sends info to MS servers.
>>318172558
>MS just renamed all the processes and reenabled them
How is this fucking legal?!
>>318170862
>Unless you're paranoid about Microsoft knowing you fap to incest porn
What aboutCaptain Planet?
>>318172374
Looks like he's edited his hosts windows file to point most microsoft addresses to localhost. But even after doing this it still tries to phone home when he starts typing in the search box.
>>318172706
Because they are probably doing it in collusion with the government. Microsoft windows is one of the most commonly used thing among hundreds of millions of people. The idea that the government won't try to use it to keep an eye on everyone is delusional.
>>318172706
I assume they can do whatever the fuck they want as long as they put it in the licence agreement somewhere. Of course, nobody except an MS lawyer is gonna read through all that shit, so they basically get a free pass to do whatever the fuck they want without ever directly telling you.
It's legal, friend. And the moment you click Agree to that licence you waver all rights on the matter.
>>318172874
>People complaining about MS backdoors when Google LITERALLY knows every post you make on 4chan if you are logged into your google account and use Captcha.
>>318172558
>The data that DiagTrack collected was typical of a spyware programme. The only way you knew you were being monitored was by eyeballing the list of running processes in Task Manager. As Microsoft explained:
> "Examples of data we collect include your name, email address, preferences and interests; browsing, search and file history; phone call and SMS data; device configuration and sensor data; and application usage."
>Users thought it had disappeared in recent Windows 10 builds – but it hadn’t. Microsoft had simply renamed it.
My fucking god.
I made a mistake when I switched from XP to Vista, and eventually settled for 7. I am NOT making the same mistake with 10, no fucking way in hell and all the NVidia drivers and DX13 be damned.
I keep giving MS the benefit of the doubt but they keep pushing more intrusive shit with every OS. I think I'm going to keep windows 7 for games and get into the linux lyfe for everything else soon.
I just got a new laptop for Black Friday with Windows 10 already on it. What do I do, /v/?
But who cares if the government is watching me? What are they gonna see?
Me searching video game wikis?
If you pirated Widows it's a way to get legit Windows at least.
>>318173135
>name, email address, preferences and interests; browsing, search and file history; phone call and SMS data
I guess it's Debian or bust, then.
>>318172258
Turn off windows update?
>>318173418
>But who cares
I do Anon. I care about your RIGHT to PRIVACY.
>>318173358
nothing, W10 is fine
>>318173418
That's the spirit, Anon! Who the fuck wants a little bit of privacy, anyway? Let's start sending all of our personal info to Microsoft so they can do whatever they want with it! Hell, we should just start putting hidden cameras in bathrooms and carrying GPS trackers that tell major corporations where we are at any given moment!
After all, goyim, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear!
>>318173418
Would you care if somebody followed you around all day and jotted down everything you did and said on a day-to-day basis in a little notepad? Because it's the internet equivalent of that.
>>318173358
Download official W7 iso from MS
Make USB backup tool with it
Download wireless/ethernet drivers
Back up your shit
Acquire a legit version of DAZ LOADER (confirm the md5 string)
install windows 7, activate daz loader, install drivers and service pack, then le gentoo
>>318173418
I assume you're a NEET with not a care in the world, but as a human who might want to have a job someday or get affordable rates on insurance and healthcare you should care about an institution who keeps a gapless dossier on your life.
>>318173418
fuck off microshill
you should not want people watching you. Why the fuck are you okay with that?
>>318170448
My hard drive died after I already upgraded and I still got a free legit version after putting in a new drive so it's still going on.
10 is pretty much the same as 8.1 in gaming compatibility terms. It does seem to be better for gaming overall as long as you block telemetry and of course do a clean install.
Good thing I disabled Windows Update years ago.
>>318173842
Last time i tried to find an official W7 ISO on Microsoft's site they buried it under a bunch of random bullshit and made finding it a pain in the ass, is there a direct link to the appropriate ISO?
>>318173958
>block telemetry
>>318173842
I appreciate this answer, but I'm going to need a bit more detailed guide to be honest.
>>318173682
>>318174027
>>block telemetry
What?
>>318173947
Are you familiar with the term 'Bait', anon? You should be, because you just fell for a big ol' whopper of a worm there, son.
>>318174110
it's a meme, it doesn't work but people keep pretending it does
>>318174110
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/26/microsoft_renamed_data_slurper_reinserted_windows_10/
>>318170448
We fucking told you last time
If it's free, you're the product.
Windows 10 isn't compatible with most old vidya, you can't turn off the updates, and it spies on you constantly.
PLUS it puts advertisements IN YOUR START MENU
That's right, remember those shitty banners you would block on the google play store? Now they're in windows! And you can't block them!
Don't fucking do it, son.
>upgrade later
>downloads the update anyway
>>318174027
Yes, I did not stutter. It isn't hard and it's still better than the unwieldy alternative of Linux shit.
>>318174221
>If it's free, you're the product.
Words to live by, unfortunately, in the modern world.
>>318172567
pffff get a load of this idealist
>>318170861
Meh if I need to upgrade I'm gonna pirate it.
>>318170448
I'd stick with 8.1 until they've gotten rid of the worst botnet features of Windows 10.
It's not like 8.1 was completely free of that but it's utterly disgusting how they've hidden all types of data mining shit in pretty much every submenu in Windows 10 and how you're not really in charge of your own computer any more, with Windows 10 changing systems settings on its own, disabling software, etc.
>>318174175
>I know what will contribute to the board!
>More shitposting!
Look up Poe's Law, dipshit.
Just go linux and emulate Win 7 when you need to play your jap porn games
>>318174451
Nice ironing, shitlord.
do old programs and games really not work in windows 10? I thought compatibility issues were a thing of the past
I don't really give a fuck about all the spying NSA shit because like hell is there any way to prevent it, your ISP can already monitor what you're doing online and the only solution to true security is to just operate offline anyway. Chances are you're not high on the government's wanted list either, or else they would've busted down your door last week for the terrabyte of lolicon porn you downloaded.
I just don't want to have to worry about things not being compatible or having to remember new routes to get to certain system features.
>>318172457
Upgrading upped my FPS for plenty of games.
But my rig is shit, maybe nay change would've ended up being positive, so take that for what you will.
>>318171086
>my Microsoft(trademark) operational system is connecting to Microsoft(trademark)!!!
I wonder why anon???
So is Linux Mint Cinnamon still good? Maybe I'll get off my lazy ass and actually try something out.
>>318174221
>Windows 10 isn't compatible with most old vidya
stop lying /g/
>>318170448
It means if you upgrade within the next like 7 months you can have it for free, forever. But after that, you have to pay to upgrade
I upgraded since I have a xbox one and the battlefront beta ran 20+ more fps, but I dont see a big difference in other games. The Forest runs like 15 more fps and gta v, killing floor 2 run about 5 more
>>318174584
>points out Poe's Law
>somehow this is irony
Go kill yourself.
>have 8.1
>"H-hey anon-san, wanna Windows 10? It's free, I swear!"
>no fuck off I don't need any of your fucking spyware you retarded keks
>"Me again, are you sure you don't want Windows 10?"
>leave me alone
>"Win10 is way better than 8! And it's free! This ad-popping up is totally not adware shit!"
>okay fuck this shit
>google up
>disable the fucking popups
>relief.png
>2 days pass
>some piece of shit Windows program keeps crashing and an error window keeps popping up frequently
>after like 3 times this happens I google the program
>it's the Windows 10 adware program
>god fucking damn it
>uninstall the update
>phew
>next day
>the update reinstalled itself
>keep crashing
FUCKING
WINDOWSTOP
WHAT THE FUCK
DID I DO
TO DESERVE THIS FUCKING FAGGOTRY
I SHOULD HAVE STAYED WITH THE FUCKING WINDOWS S E V E N
I'M GOING TO BOMB FUCKING MICROSOFT HQ
I'M JOINING ISIS
FUCK YOU GATES
>>318174608
So far everything worked.
Some old games will have bugs that can be fixed. Touhou for example, couldn't go fullscreen, but all I had to do was place a dll file there. The App Locale program wasn't working, but I just had to use Locale Emulator. Etc.
>>318170448
>G
>E
I N S T A L L
>T
>O
>O
>>318174628
>like hell is there any way to prevent it
VPNs. TOR. Wardriving.
>your ISP can already monitor what you're doing online
So that means everyone should have access?
>>318174628
You should worry about Microsoft spying on your local computer because they collect all info they receive to analyze piracy and market to you.
They use their own in-house marketers to target ads toward you. While the NSA, who you can't stop from spying on you, hasn't kicked down your door. Microsoft might kick down your door with lawyers if you're found with the wrong piece of pirated material.
If you care about compatibility and only compatibility, then just wait. The offer stands until July of next year. Wait until Windows 10 gets it's first service pack and becomes a respectable operating system.
It's the same deal as 7 and 8. Never install an Operating System three months out from it's launch day.
I use windows 7
>>318172457
>since I heard window 10 is bad for watching chinese cartoon.
What I've been watching anime since forever and I've never had any issues with any Windows versions
>>318174851
you screwed up anon
the botnet is at 8.1 too
R.I.P
also, just fucking update
I don't really have an issue with MS recording my preferences, I mean fuck basically every big website does it anyway. My phone does it, my games consoles do it, why is my computer any different?
I'm holding off until all my programs gets support for Windows 10. Can't be editing on a build that doesn't work correctly.
>>318174806
It isn't.
The metro interface is diametrically opposed to the UI's of a good number of vidya games.
Whether they're the games you like or not is entirely up to chance.
>>318174628
>I don't really give a fuck about all the spying NSA shit because like hell is there any way to prevent it
Hey we all gonna day anyway so why even bother.
>your ISP can already monitor what you're doing online
Quite honestly given the choice I trust my data to my ISP and even more to some random hacker that want to connect me to a botnet than MS, thats how bad it got.
>Chances are you're not high on the government's wanted list either, or else they would've busted down your door last week for the terrabyte of lolicon porn you downloaded.
Here is the thing, they might sop you for DUI and if you drunk (aka broke the law) routine PC inspection is not out of the question, then what ever sticks.
>I just don't want to have to worry about things not being compatible
Buys system that is not compatible with old shit and there is not new shit made which works only on W10 anyway.
>>318174926
>and becomes a respectable operating system
Will never happen. Microsoft is going to build their new empire through datamining, like Google did.
>>318174842
>Points out when somebody has been baited
>Somehow this is Poe's law
Also of course it was irony. You contradicted your own argument with your useless post. Fucking idiot.
>>318174221
le edgy
it's actually free as part of a promotion. The "sinister" illuminati agenda behind it is they're trying to get more people using the windows store apps
>>318174628
>your ISP can already monitor what you're doing online
yes, true! one more company spying on me (and actually selling my info) is no issue, haha! i'll make sure to install cameras in all my rooms and send the data to google and microsoft since i'm already being monitored *shrugs*
>>318173483
>name, email address, preferences and interests; browsing, search and file history; phone call and SMS data
>>318174781
The question is, "why does it do it even when you fart?"
>>318173418
Hi since you don't care can I please know your adress, name, socialsecurity number, email, also post a face picture please? thanks!
>>318175065
Constantly baiting is shitposting, retard. It contributes nothing.
I implore you to end your life. You've done enough on this big blue orb.
>>318173995
There's a specific site that carries torrents of official microsoft ISOs, I forget what it's called but they're legit.
>>318174070
It's not actually that hard desu my senpai.
You get the ISO, use the backup making tool on a CD or USB drive. You make sure you have your internet drivers so you can get online afterwards. You back your shit up so you don't lose it, obviously. DAZ loader is a windows activator, go to mydigitallife and register there to get a legit version. Then you run the boot software, format and install windows 7, and load up the DAZ loader and hit activate.
>>318175079
>le slippery slope
>>318174851
Remove it using the GWX control panel.
http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/
This utterly disables it and removes any updates that would reinstall it.
It also disables telemetry.
Just be sure to hide the updates in your control panel so they don't come back.
>>318174910
>So that means everyone should have access?
Microsoft having access is not everyone, newfag.
Consider this. Your ISP has the duty of monitoring what you browse due to legal reasons. Microsoft doesn't. And they also don't give a fuck. Do you really think Microsoft is actively monitoring what billions of computers are doing? The data being sent to them is used by machines and programs, there are no humans involved at all. I'd say they are just building a profile so ads can fit your interest, but I haven't even found a single ad yet. So I assume they just want to know their users' biggest interests or something. Point is, if you think they are selling your data to Indian perfume sellers or trying to use it to dominate the world or something, you're dumb.
>>318170448
>free for a limited time?
No, they'll keep pestering you to install it for months, maybe even years.
>>318172294
Who cares about fucking boot times. If you have an SSD they're fucking fast anyway.
>>318170448
>botnet
>>318174910
Do you actually browse /v/ through a VPN?
>So that means everyone should have access
No it means everyone already has access and you're up shit's creek for thinking you can do anything about it.
>>318174926
This is all old news. ISPs have already shut down people's connections when they see heavy traffic to common piracy sites. Google is built upon collecting tons of info on you through browsing habits to market ads to you.
If Microsoft cared they probably wouldn't let cracked versions of their OS's sit available to download on the internet. And they're best catch for software that disables the Windows authenticater wouldn't be to just say "This might be a virus, be careful!"
>>318175226
Did I touch a nerve, Microsoft~kun?
>>318174628
Your ISP monitors what you're doing online. Microsoft is now monitoring what you do on your computer.
There's a world of difference, here. Assembling your online data is only possible if they can intercept your SSL sessions. Which I'm sure the NSA can do, but it only paints a spotty picture of what you're doing on your computer.
Microsoft wants to own your computer's local memory. This is a bad thing. For everybody.
>>318175226
You should save your breath, these threads are always filled with /g/'s tin foil hat club.
>choosing between 10 and 8
>everyone is using either 10 or 8
>everyone is using the two worst windows since vista
>completely and honestly using them as if they were upgrades
hurts my fucking soul. why dont you faggots just dip your PCs in piss and get it over with
>>318175340
fuck off stormfag nobody gives a fuck about your racist faggy opinion
>>318173418cheesepizza
I don't even understand the people who went to windows 8. It's a clusertfuck of an OS that goes against everything a good OS should be. What's wrong with you fucks?
>>318175340
>you explain why you are frustrated with it your product
>I give arguments on how there is no need to be worried because they won't use your data for anything, and if anything, your ISP is doing 50x worse
>lollll did I touch a nerve?
Underagers should be gone to Reddit
>>318175367
This fucking hell stick with 7 desu
>>318175223
Thank you, anonfriend.
May success and happiness permeate your entire life.
>>318175367
My laptop came with 10, what am I supposed to do.
>>318175367
>muh windows 7
it's time to move on friend
Anyone know the site with a good Windows 7 torrent, then?
I upgraded and my computer refused to recognize my modem. I had to switch back. What a great OS
Friendly reminder that VNs don't work on windows 10
>>318175556
>move on to worse operating systems with no benefit
Okay
>>318175226
Well, way to start an argument wrong: CURRENTLY, your ISP has a legal obligation to NOT monitor what you browse (for legal reasons)
Also as someone that works with MS: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>318175546
Bend over.
Reformat your laptop and install a gnu+linux system that's not ubuntu.
>>318172225
>Who buys anything other than OEM?
Normies
>>318175583
Literally any torrent site. Go google it faget, then google might start sending you targeted "We see you like pirated Windows" ads.
I literally just installed Win10. Where do I go to switch off all the metrics bullshit they're measuring? I know I can't block it completely, but I want to turn off the most possible.
>>318175556
90% of the non-XP market share is 7
68% of the market share is XP
>>318175637
>Also as someone that works with MS
sure bucko
>Typed "Windows Update" into start menu search bar.
>Press Enter
>The Windows Update window won't load.
>Have to end and restart explorer.exe
Anyone else having this problem?
>>318175556
1 reason why
>>318175614
ButNekoparaworks great
>>318175704
You cant block anything, its all placebo options
>>318173958
That girl scares me :(
>>318175759
Most of those aren't home computers though. Most of that is businesses or corporate.
>>318175632
worse how lol
>>318175768
MDL2
Memory Compression
DX12
>>318175637
Are you a newfag to how a ISP works or something?
For instance, if you pirate excessively, your ISP will most likely start annoying you. Because they can monitor that kind of stuff. There are no humans actively looking at what you do obviously, but they look for keywords and once they find those they send it for humans to analyze the data and confirm if it's really piracy or not. Something similar happens with criminal themes such as terrorist groups or pedostuff.
Microsoft on the other hand doesn't actively check if you are torrent and then starts sending you sad letters. They don't give a shit.
>>318175317
>This is all old news. ISPs have already shut down people's connections when they see heavy traffic to common piracy sites. Google is built upon collecting tons of info on you through browsing habits to market ads to you.
That's your network traffic, this is your local computer. There is a huge difference.
ESPECIALLY if someone cracks how the local machine spies on the user. You know, Microsoft has a keylogger built into Windows 10 now, right?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/07/windows_10_data_collection/
Guess what: You can't disable it. To disable it fully, you need to turn off automatic updates, or it turns itself back on.
Imagine what would happen if someone got a hold of a keylogger? They would fucking have all of your information you ever put into the system. But microsoft hasn't had any security issues with safeguards they've built into the operating system before, right?
Here's another idea: Instead of installing an operating system that you have to uninstall countless amounts of bloatware, disable half of the OS' features, and then watch it like a hawk in case it decides to re-enable anything, you COULD instead just keep your functional version of windows which has been proven to not do that and tell any windows updates which try to backport telemetry to fuck themselves.
That's simple enough, right?
>>318175759
okay?
>>318175480
The more and more time that goes on the more people are susceptible to stupid shit such as bad software like windows 8+ because there are more young people in existence. Everyone says the younger generations are more in touch with technology but quite honestly these younger and younger generations are more out of touch with technology and don't understand the consequences of using these kinds of things. Being able to use facebook, and instagram properly on your smart phone doesn't mean you know shit about technology. They eat up anything that looks shiny and fancy that their friend's use and they don't give a fuck about what can happen on the other end of it. They don't understand the inner workings of anything they use and this lets people/groups/governments take advantage of them.
>>318175759
Most of that consists of computers that don't even work anymore. See pic related, it's the OS distribution over Steam.
>>318175890
>DX12
literally a meme
>>318175905
>if you pirate excessively, your ISP will most likely start annoying you.
In murrica maybe
>>318175480
Many people had no choice, it came with the system.
That's why you should build every computer you buy.
>>318175905
>I have never used peer block ever
>>318176063
Indeed, the point is that if they start annoying you, it means that they have a way of knowing what you are doing AND it is legal.
>>318175905
No I'm pretty sure it's just FBI monitoring bitTorrent traffic telling the ISP to bug you cuz if I had a big internet company I know I wouldn't give a shit what was going through my router as long as the bills were paid on time
>>318175556
>Moving on to shitware
It's time to move on, no one wants your shitty spy-version of windows.
People will install 8 before they install 10.
>>318176229
it's mostly fud dude
>>318175992
>Microsoft is going to keylog your computer
:^)
If they're spying on my local computer use what are they going to see? "He's using Calculator, HE MUST BE COUNTING UP HIS DRUG MONEY, ARREST HIM" Nothing condemning could possible happen outside of internet use, which, is already being monitored.
>Just stick with what you have
But I would like to be able to use DX12 and other convenient improvements that have been developed since Win7 came out almost a decade ago.
>>318176161
>I'm dumb and I don't understand what your point is, please spoonfeed me
Very well. See this: >>318176168
>>318176207
First of all I doubt FBI gives a shit on users downloading games and movies, and second this happens on many countries other than the US so it can't be FBI behind all those.
>>318176356
>I doubt FBI gives a shit on users downloading games and movies
It's sort of their job
>>318175480
>moms laptop is windows 7
>eventually it gets bogged down with shit because normal people cant take care of their electric shit to save their lives
>instead of coming to me so i could clean it she takes it somewhere and they just format and install windows 8
>it runs like shit and the windows 8 panels are annoying as all hell and she doesnt know how to use it
and people WILLINGLY use this trash
>reading this thread
jesus christ, this is some Orwellian bullshit. What linux distro should I install?
>>318176434
>>318176356
>>318176508
install gentoo
>>318176527
Green is mai waifu
Green > Blue > Red > Black
>>318176334
yes, make sure to upload all your pics to icloud as well
>>318175704
>how do i turn off things in a closed source os
You don't really. You have no actual way of knowing what ms is doing because they won't let you see behind the curtain. It is safe to assume though that no matter what you do they are recording all of your shit.
>>318176434
>>318176527
It is, but going after every single user who practices piracy is useless. They only chase those who upload the content and make it available to others.
As for who tells the ISPs to annoy the consumers, I saw some anon saying here that it's actually the corporations that produce the goods.
>>318176334
>Microsoft is going to keylog your computer
>:^)
They already HAVE, that's the point. They have a keylogger there right now.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-privacy-statement
>when you input text, handwrite notes, or ink comments, we may collect samples of your input to improve these input features, (e.g., to help improve the accuracy of autocomplete and spellcheck).
>Text messages and email. Cortana accesses your messages to do a variety of things such as: allowing you to add events to your calendar, apprising you of important messages, and keeping you up to date on events or other things that are important to you, like package or flight tracking. Cortana also uses your messages to help you with planning around your events and offers other helpful suggestions and recommendations.
>Communications History. Cortana learns who is most important to you from your call, text message, and email history. This is used to keep track of people most relevant to you and your preferred methods of communication, flag important messages for you and improve other Cortana services such as speech recognition.
>Speech and Input Personalization. To help Cortana better understand the way you speak and your voice commands, speech data is sent to Microsoft to build personalized speech models and improve speech recognition and user intent understanding. On Windows devices, Cortana can only work if Input Personalization is on, so if you turn it off, Cortana will be disabled. See the Windows Input Personalization section for more information.
There it is. Your system has a keylogger in it. Microsoft owns it, and it's entirely up to them to make sure all that information they collect is secured. If not? That's tough breaks for you, my man.
They also absolve themselves of all responsibility to safeguard this information or your computer.
>>318176735
>They only chase those who upload the content and make it available to others.
yes and do you not know how easy that is to do through bitTorrent
>>318176915
Seeding is not the same as creating the torrent itself of the software. Consumers can't seed if the person making the torrents available are gone.
>>318176885
you can turn both of those features off lol, but they also provide useful benefits to the end user, no reason to get paranoid about it
>>318176334
>If they're spying on my local computer use what are they going to see?
They can see
-Your webcam, if it works
-Your audio, if it's active
-Anything stored into local memory, including keys for password encryption and for SSH sessions
-Any text you store into local memory, which includes passwords and personal information
-The hash and file metadata of any file you open
-The file metadata of any file your operating system opens
All of it, they have it. Do you not see why this is a problem yet? Do you not know Microsoft's history on computer security?
Do you not know that one of the biggest viruses ever to hit Windows XP was because of a port they left open specifically to slip 'important updates' into computers?
>>318177001
they also can't seed if their ISP keeps sending them warning letters. Piracy may be easy, but it's hardly a victimless crime, of course the government is going to take measures to stop it
>>318177010
The data is collected whether you have Cortana on or not.
>>318177010
>you can turn both of those features off lol,
no you can't, they turn themselves back on.
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/windows-10-doesnt-offer-much-privacy-by-default-heres-how-to-fix-it/
It's tied to windows update. So either you don't update your computer, or you have the spyware turned back on.
>but they also provide useful benefits to the end user, no reason to get paranoid about it
It's also a great way for hackers to steal your personal info.
Maybe not even hackers.
>>318177198
no it isn't
Cant they just patch in similar shit to 7?
>>318176885
If a security breach takes place, all the information will be useless to the hackers.
I hope you realize that encrypting information is something done by much smaller companies. For example, VaultPass is a tiny password manager that already declares on their main website: Even if they get hacked, the hackers won't be able to do shit with the information because they can't decrypt it. Now imagine a billionaire corporation like Microsoft, do you really think they don't know how to encrypt data? If they make each key different and store part of it inside the user's computer, it'll be impossible to ever breach it.
>>318177194
Good luck sending letters to thousands of people. It's just not effective.
Luckily I live in Brazil and piracy is not taken seriously here at all. The government will, at most, hunt the people hosting websites where you can download movies and games (because most people here don't know what torrents are)
>>318177194
It is literally a victimless crime though. Its not even harmful enough to be considered a crime
>>318177010
>they also provide useful benefits to the end user
ayyy lmao
>>318177010
get outta here pashwan
>>318175024
Could you tell me some of the game or types of games, anon?
>>318177278
Yes it is.
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/
>>318177315
>If a security breach takes place, all the information will be useless to the hackers.
Are you dumb? Do you not know how how encryption works?
If you have a keylogger on your system, and hackers extract the key needed to communicate with it, then those hackers have control of that keylogger.
It's as simple as that. One zero-day and the 'helpful' spyware microsoft installed is now malicious, and there's no turning it off.
>>318177315
Any data in local memory is unencrypted.
In order for data to be used, it must be machine-readable. Encrypted data is not machine-readable.
>>318177275
>they turn themselves back on
did you even read that article you posted? There's nothing like that in there...
>>318177315
>If they make each key different and store part of it inside the user's computer, it'll be impossible to ever breach it.
>it'll be impossible to ever breach it.
Pffffffftpfpffft
Boy I sure hope you don't seriously think this. Because Microsoft has done other 'impossible to breach' schemes that all seem to get breached relatively easily.
>>318173036
But this is factually wrong. Not only are EULAs notoriously tricky to defend in a court if someone actually challenges them, it's also outright impossible to sign away basic rights, including consumer rights, no matter how many times you click "yes" or put your signature on a contract.
>>318170448
Literally botnet, but direct x 12 wil lbe common and you will need to migrate wheter you want or not.
I downloaded Ultiamte Windows 10 tweak to lower a bit the data they steal + installed PeerBlock with Microsoft block list
>>318177470
>http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/
On top of that, you shouldn't have to opt out of having your privacy violated.
It should default to off.
>>318172374
He disabled every telemetry/privacy shit, even with group policy and also added every microsoft ip to the hosts file so the PC won't communicate with them, but Peerblock shows how win10 fucking ignores every settings and sends data when he started typing into the search bar.
>>318177569
Score one for not reading the article and claiming you did. I guess next stop is proclaiming that Ars is biased.
Here's another one in case you want to brush that one off, too.
http://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-can-still-connect-microsofts-servers-even-if-users-enable-privacy-features
>"Windows 10 will periodically send data to a Microsoft server named ssw.live.com. This server seems to be used for OneDrive and some other Microsoft services. Windows 10 seems to transmit information to the server even when OneDrive is disabled and logins are using a local account that isn't connected to a Microsoft Account. The exact nature of the information being sent isn't clear—it appears to be referencing telemetry settings—and again, it's not clear why any data is being sent at all."
>>318177315
>Even if they get hacked, the hackers won't be able to do shit with the information because they can't decrypt it
remember when hackers stole all that credit card info from sony's servers?
yup, truly flawless
Just turn your internet off when not on 4chan duh
I don't even care about privacy shit. If microsoft is that desperate to know about my favorite bestiality doujins, Ill link them the best ones in a hand written letter. But I don't like them using up bandwidth and processing power they have no right to use
>>318177427
I must go poo in loo but I swear I will be back
>>318172294
>My lies aren't working anymore
>I know! I'll fall back to boot times!
>>318177470
How the fuck are the hackers going to take control of Microsoft's keylogger? Microsoft are the ones hosting it, the data is being sent to Microsoft, it's impossible to just hijack it.
Now, something possible (and what I assume you are suggesting) is hijacking the keylogger program itself of a specific user and having it send information to the hackers. Thing is:
a) If it was that easy to do, people would have already hijacked the keylogger to disable it entirely. It's impossible though and seems to be related to W10's very structure.
b) Can still be fixed by making the keylogger encrypt data as it extracts said data, and then having Microsoft decrypt it as it arrives on their own servers. So the hacker would be forced to hack both the user AND Microsoft servers.
>>318177787
Just hope Microsoft is not as stupid as Sony.
>>318176885
Holy shit. So they even keep a copy of your hand writing?
>>318177739
Ars is biased and basically tabloid garbage at this point.
>>318171986
Ecks dee le jew meme xdd
>>318172294
what, 0.1 seconds instead of 0.2? On a SSD boot times are a non issue haven't been for ages
>>318177795
>But I don't like them using up bandwidth and processing power they have no right to use
This
I hope everyone here knows that the Windows 10 upgrade is 3 gigabytes in size, and that bandwidth is automatically deducted BEFORE it even asks you to update.
It will download the windows 10 files all on it's own without any of your input.
>>318177903
they log EVERYTHING
>>318177470
That article doesn't even have any idea what data is being sent. Again it's just more FUD from people stupid enough to shill for the FSF
Why would windows 10 force me to download updates instead of letting me choose when to update?
I don't have the biggest HDD...
>>318177883
Wait you're telling me Microsoft has a keylogger built in with Windows 10 ?
>>318177883
>How the fuck are the hackers going to take control of Microsoft's keylogger? Microsoft are the ones hosting it, the data is being sent to Microsoft, it's impossible to just hijack it.
If something's being sent over the internet it's hackable, regardless of how secure people claim it is. And if there's a way in to your PC to monitor it by a third party, then that's an insecure access point into your PC.
It's exactly the same argument people are making against those politicians pushing for backdoors to encryption on smartphones and such; you can't have a "secure backdoor" to an encryption; if there's a backdoor at ALL, it's inherently insecure.
I'm not saying it's particularly likely or anything but it is possible and given that it's totally unnecessary to have it there in the first place, it's a fairly big design flaw for the end-user. It's not like windows has a 100% record in security to begin with, and now they're poking holes in what little security they do have.
>>318175905
>download tons of porn
>nothing happens
>>318178047
It doesn't matter what data is being sent. The issue is that its sending any data at all, despite being told not to.
I downloaded a program that disabled/uninstalled all the botnet shit, but I don't actually know if it made a difference or not.
But I actually like Windows 10, it runs a lot better than 7 for me anyway.
>>318178230
There's no lobbying group fighting porn piracy.
Pirate enough movies and music though, and the RIAA and MPAA will be after you.
I don't really care about Microsoft spying on me. My wife's son is a good kid and he only uses the PC to play games and do homework.
Feels good raising the next generation of the master race.
>>318177883
>How the fuck are the hackers going to take control of Microsoft's keylogger? Microsoft are the ones hosting it, the data is being sent to Microsoft, it's impossible to just hijack it.
You clearly don't know much about how computers work. I'll try to make this simple as I can.
The keylogger isn't on microsoft's servers, it does them no good there. It's on YOUR COMPUTER. In your local memory, reading the keys that you type in.
Local memory is what Microsoft is spying on as well. See, reading memory that is 'local' by a program that's not authorized to view it is known as a 'Local Access Violation'. This is typically referred to as 'reading (or) writing to arbitrary memory locations'.
That keylogger is in your computer's memory right now, reading your keystrokes and sending them to microsoft. If a computer hacker finds a vulnerability on your system that lets them read arbitrary memory locations, you're fucked. They basically own any information that keylogger reads. And you saved them the step of having to get it installed on your system by installing one yourself.
And in case you think this doesn't happen often: Let's look at all the vulnerabilities Windows has regarding access violations
https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-26/product_id-739/Microsoft-Windows-Xp.html
https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-26/product_id-17153/hasexp-1/Microsoft-Windows-7.html
https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-26/product_id-22318/Microsoft-Windows-8.html
Look at those lists, friend. Multiple vulnerabilities there, dozens, even hundreds. From every operating system that predates windows 10. Many of them deal with methods used to get local memory access on your machine.
It just takes one of those to compromise your system now. All because you installed the malware yourself. Enjoy.
>people actually think Microsoft is giving away a free upgrade out of the goodness of their heart
They'll get their fucking money out of you somehow, whether it's from all the data they're stealing or something else down the line, they'll make back their development costs and then some.
>>318178380
Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say
>>318171370
>I'm not even going to ask a source for this one. Not sure how people can be this retarded.
Not the same guy but I once uploaded a cracked APK file to my dropbox and it wouldn't let me download the file on my phone because it violated some copyright law. I didn't get V& but don't think MS and other Cloud providers won't check the shit you put on it.
>>318178151
We've been over this, yes they do.
>Text messages and email. Cortana accesses your messages to do a variety of things such as: allowing you to add events to your calendar, apprising you of important messages, and keeping you up to date on events or other things that are important to you, like package or flight tracking. Cortana also uses your messages to help you with planning around your events and offers other helpful suggestions and recommendations.
>Communications History. Cortana learns who is most important to you from your call, text message, and email history. This is used to keep track of people most relevant to you and your preferred methods of communication, flag important messages for you and improve other Cortana services such as speech recognition.
>Speech and Input Personalization. To help Cortana better understand the way you speak and your voice commands, speech data is sent to Microsoft to build personalized speech models and improve speech recognition and user intent understanding. On Windows devices, Cortana can only work if Input Personalization is on, so if you turn it off, Cortana will be disabled. See the Windows Input Personalization section for more information.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/
It's there, right now.
>>318178267
so you admit you're getting upset for no reason. For all you know it's just caching app data or sending basic (aka non invasive and generally helpful) telemetry data
>>318177883
Again, you're confusing local memory with things sent over the internet.
See >>318177501
Where do you think that keylogger on your computer stores your keystrokes before it sends it to MS?
>>318171201
>The only thing I'm even remotely interested in for 10 is that I can make the taskbar black.
Edgy.
>>318178583
>turn off thing
>thing keeps running anyways
>>318178583
I told it not to send any data at all.
>b-b-but it could be HELPFUL data--
No. No data.
>>318178547
What if I don't want this added "convenience"? Ive been using a computer for decades now and have done just fine without these stupid features. Surely there isn't some other motive behind adding them
>>318170448
isn't it only free until jul 2016? as in past then even users with w10 have to pay?
>>318178443
Whether or not a keylogger exists on your computer, if a hacker can read an arbitrary memory location they could read your keys anyways
>>318178380
>My wife's son
you're a kek
>master race
>>318174224
>Do this
>Spam close like a motherfucker
>Window freezes up
>Get ready to force shutdown until it unfroze and closed
That was a close one.
>>318178047
>microshill calling other people shills and accusing them of FUD
THE
FUCKING
IRONY
Ok Im now redpilled
Now what
>>318178538
well no shit
>>318178583
>For all you know
for all we know it sends everything we do
