>From Software said after DS3 there'll be no more Bloodborne or Souls games
>axing their franchise with the highest appeal and the one fans want more and more of
Why is this allowed?
I dont get this cutscene
Fuck is he talking about
>This is somehow a bad thing
We don't need ten Bloodborne games to know that the original was an enjoyable game.
Good. Maybe we will finally see Armored Core 6.
>implying they will keep their word
even if they do, Namco will just find another studio to shit out sequels with
>>318166609
>Demon's Souls was a bad game
>they improved it so much Dark Souls is a masterpiece
Can I imagine if they made Bloodborne 2 and improved it in a similar way?
Neither game sells well. Especially BB sold poorly. When CoD is selling 22 million copies and Destiny sold so many copies they had to keep the number a secret, there's just no room for unpopular games like the Souls.
>>318166556
>Fuck is he talking about
Welcome to Souls.
>>318166486
>>From Software said after DS3 there'll be no more Bloodborne or Souls games
Good, new A.C.E game when? New AC game when? New...something when?
>>318166714
>Implying any jump was made from DS1 -> DS2
>the one fans want more and more of
excuse me?
>>318166556
ludwig is talking to his sword which he forgot he had on his back as he morphed into a beast
>>318166486
ARMORED CORE
>>318166714
No, because of diminishing returns, anon. Bloodborne had its appeal in the fact that slightly altering the formula provided a very different experience compared to Dark Souls.
What they really should do is just release several more DLC and flesh out the world that is already there more.
>no source
Nice.
>citation needed
>>318166556
The Moonlight Greatsword.
It's unclear what his connection to it was before he was a beast, but he talks about it like it's something he's imagined his whole life, and sought to wield himself. It's probably his inspiration behind his Holy Blade he made in the workshop.
As for why it suddenly appears in the fight, and allows him to wield it, I have no idea. It's probably something nightmare related, but it's also probably not, so who knows.
>>318166716
Are you retarded
>>318166716
>unpopular games like the Souls.
Stopped reading there. Are you mental? Whenever a new Souls game comes out it's 1st or 2nd for that month in sales.
>>318166716
>Dark Souls sold millions on PC with a shoestring budget port team
>"lol it's a commercial failure"
>>318166486
>Back to King's Field?
I wish
I'd rather they either:
a) make souls-like games but each is somewhat unique (i.e. DaS vs BB)
b) make sequels but only very rarely (i.e. every 5 years)
I'm worried of having a yearly rehashed souls game
>>318166927
You're fucked in the head, Cyrus.
>>318166938
>>318166959
>hehe they took the b8
mech souls when
Its good that they're quitting now before they make the Armored Core 5 or the ACE R of Souls games.
Yeah and EA is cancelling FIFA. And Ubisoft won't make more AssCreed.
>>318166716
>So many copies they had to keep the number a secret
>thinking this is actually a thing
>>318166959
>>318166947
>thinks Souls old well
top kek
Anyone can be #1 for a month in a slow month. All you have to do is sell 200K units which is nothing.
>>318166965
>implying Souls isn't King's Field in 3P
>No more souls games
>No more overrated pieces of shit
>No more boring content lacking trash that everyone praises
>No more "muh difficulty" elitist fags
>This is somehow a bad thing??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohiDRqJgsZ0
>>318166486
That's fine by me. They need to go back to their roots and make more Armored Core.
>>318166486
Because they know there is such a thing as too much of a good thing.
>>318167205
Nice bait
>>318166486
because you are stupid enough to believe that they are being sincere and not saying that to make people buy DS3
>>318167083
The president of From Software flat out and explicitly said that they intend to discontinue the franchise so that they can pursue different creative projects. I hope they do. I'm really interested in seeing if they can pull something else off or have just become a one-trick pony.
Probably gonna make a new franchise that is the exact same game again, then
>>318167205
You dont really believe I'm going to click that link after that shitpost, do you?
>>318167205
Wouldn't mind another AC game.
>People complain that Souls is released to often.
>People complain that there will be no more Souls.
>From is still obligated to make one more Sony exclusive
It'll be Bloodborne 2, right?
>>318167307
>The president of From Software flat out and explicitly said that they intend to discontinue the franchise so that they can pursue different creative projects.
I know man. My dick is 3 meters long and I\m actually Donald Trump. And it's true because I said so.
As far as I'm concerned they can do whatever they want and still make successful games. They're just talented developers when it really comes down to it (a team)
>>318166925
>>318166927
>It'd be a lie if I said I have no concerns about that. I don't think it'd be the right choice to continue indefinitely creating Souls and Bloodborne games. I'm considering Dark Souls 3 to be the big closure on the series.
Article/interview is on Gamespot, I ain't linking it though so do your own homework.
I want literally anything other than a Souls-styled from them at this point.
>Wanting the Assassin's Creed treatment
>>318167418
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/dark-souls-3-interview-it-wouldnt-be-right-to-cont/1100-6432425/
Literally had to google dark souls 3 last dark souls.
>>318167410
Armored Core, probably. That's a traditional Sony franchise.
>>318167418
www.gamespot.com/articles/dark-souls-3-interview-it-wouldnt-be-right-to-cont/1100-6432425/
>>318166929
This is so amazing and deep. But Ludwig's own copy sword ended up better for use by the ordinary man.
You need to be a magician/arcane-ist to use the true Moonlight Sword.
>>318167304
Do you seriously think marketing through that tactic would actually work? The mainstream community doesn't really care that much about Dark Souls anymore as the novelty is fading for them.
>>318167075
Whoever drew this... give them a job FROMSOFT plz
>>318166486
I'd love to see another real Kingsfield game.
>one trick pony studio will kill the pony
Good luck to them is all I can say. I remember when CCP tried to do anything other than EVE and look how well that went.
I'm still laughing at the fact that the meme weapon got a meme boss
>>318166486
Because we for once need a game/series that isn't milked the fuck out of. Give it a handful of games that are good and stop. Not everything needs 10 games in a series.
>>318167075
>Armored Core Souls
I'd play it.
>>318166716
>Destiny sold so many copies they had to keep the number a secret
Heheheheheheheheheh
Good. From has other franchises to work with, notably Armored Core 6.
For fuck's sake, just make a prettier For Answer with a robust online system.
>>318167205
This.
The Souls games are one of the worst things to ever happened to gaming in the last ten years.
I'm glad that cancerous series is finally dying.
>>318167636
Nice meme response my good meme
>>318167708
Bloodborne is sequel-baiting enough.
Its not that the eldritch truth had been reached in the past, but it is literally being discovered at the current time by in-game characters, and you yourself.
DLC adds man finally managing to ascend to a higher form.
What a better way to start up a second game.
Too bad it wont happen though.
>>318166716
>When CoD is selling 22 million copies
No way.
>>318167075
This looks really cool
>>318167624
>being this new
FROM exists since 1986 anon, they're not a one trick pony. They hit the Western mainstream because of muh Dark Souls difficulty meme, but they've made a fuckton of games before the Souls series.
15 Armored Core games, 9 Tenchu games, 2 Otogi games and 4 King's Fields games.
Armored Core is still the pinnacle of mecha games.
I really hope they have the restraint to stop, we don't need more DaS 2's messing up the series.
>>318167075although I do want this
>>318167205
>>318167907
Niggas who couldn't gitgud.
>>318167959
>Bloodborne is sequel-baiting enough.
DLC is more appropriate. Bloodborne was effective because the Lovecraftian stuff was not expected and was implemented well as a bait and switch. I can't see them pulling that off well with a sequel. All they need to do is build on the game they already have for the most content.
>>318167075
>>318167739
Ditto. Imgaine Arms Forts combined with DS/BB boss level difficulty. I always wished 4A Forts fights were more like DS boss fights in some weird twisted way.
>>318167982
So the fact that they milked a series Ubisoft style in the past makes them great?
Watch them stumble and fuck up in their next project that isn't Dark Souls or Blood Souls.
Bloodborne sold 2 million copies for a platform with a base install of 30 millions. For all intends and purposes BB was a failure.
>>318166716
>When CoD is selling 22 million copies and Destiny sold so many copies they had to keep the number a secret, there's just no room for unpopular games like the Souls.
Difference is, unlike CoD and Destiny, they don't spend a gazillion dollars per game. Their budget is really small, so the game will be successful if they sell 1 or 2 million copies.
you want another Kjima situation? let it rest and bring new games
>>318168181
Unlike Ubisoft they actually made different games instead of carbon copies of previous games. Every Armored Core either A: expanded on the story (all the numbered games have different stories, and spinoffs that expand on those stories) or new mechanics.
Rehashin's Creed is just the same game with (maybe) a new gimmick that builds upon the same retarded mess of a story.
>>318168340
>tfw Silent Hills will never ever happen
>>318166486
>Why is this allowed?
They're devoting all their time and money to the Metal Wolf Chaos sequel.
>>318168190
>niche title selling 2 million copies
>failure
>>318168271
>they don't spend a gazillion dollars per game
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuure they don't. It's not like their headquarters aren't located in one of the most expensive countries to live.
>>318168190
It wasn't 30 million when Bloodborne launched.
And 1/15 ratio is fucking impressive.
What are you going to say about "pc when" games on Steam that sell 5000 copies on a platform with 100 million users?
Eternal Ring reboot when?
>>318168443
BECAUSE I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
>>318168512
Your logic makes no sense. By that same token the likes of Vanillaware and Platinum must also spend a ton of money on their games, when it's very explicit that they have extremely small budgets that offset the relatively small amount of sales their games get.
>>318168553
No one is defending PC; quite the opposite.
PC is infinitely worse: 1% of the sales, 100% of the piracy. You have nothing to win if you develop (or port) to PC.
>>318167075
>extreme fast paced souls combat paired with futuristic artstyle and music to fit.
That'd be amazing except we already have metal gear revengeance.
>Oh actually, I really look up to The Elder Scrolls, I find it very inspiring.
>As a game, I found Fallout 3 to be very interesting, but I like fantasy. I tend to gravitate towards Oblivion more.
> However, the thing that I can enjoy right now on a pure level is Hearthstone. That's not connected to Dark Souls 3, but I love Hearthstone.
So, open world fantasy game with card game elements confirmed as his next project?
There's nothing wrong with leaving a franchise alone instead of releasing a new version every x years. It allows the designer to take a step back and work on something else, giving him time to learn new lessons to apply on an older series if they choose to revisit it in the future.
Don't worry faggots, people will release souls clones until the end of time since people eat that shit up.
>Just now got my PS4 and Bloodborne today
>Already spoiled a lot of it from my anticipation of the game
>But still excited at the prospect of learning a new game and figuring out nuances that videos can't tell you
Getting ready to fight the Cleric Beast for the first time. Hope this turns out well. I'm really ready for DaS3 so I can get that and be completely blind.
>>318168512
>a native Japanese country staffed with Japanese employees is based in Japan
Are you actually retarded?
Do all studios with small budgets have to move to Kameroon?
Are Japanese indie devs actually studios with massive budgets because they live in Japan?
>>318166486
1 last polished souls game where the playerbase won't just fuck off or use hexes would be sweet.
>>318168702
No idea about Platinum, but Vanillaware's president makes all the art for their games and helps with the development / coding for free. By using such abnormal development model (is it even legal?) they can be profitable even with such shit sales.
>>318168884
Good luck anon. I hope you end up liking the game.
>>318167075
I'd rather have Greek mythology souls
>>318168132
>Bloodborne Sequel starts off talking to you about Ayy Lmaos and Eldrich monstrosities
>Halfway through it's revealed that it's actually about werewolves and vampires
I'd kek but I wouldn't like it.
>>318168726
But anon, according to vgchartz Dark Souls sold 2 million copies on the PS3 and according to Steamspy 2 million people on Dark Souls on Steam.
How is that not worth it?
>>318168959
>Is it even legal?
What the actual fuck, why wouldn't it be legal?
>>318168884
Make sure to stock on molotovs. They wreck Cleric Beast.
>>318169047
>Actually turns out its just people in costumes trying to scare others
>mfw its a video game adaption of The Village
>tfw no more BB DLC ever
>>318168884
>Watching gameplay videos first instead of going completely blind into a game
Why people do that? I can't believe how so many people used build planers, watched entire video playthroughs and memorized the wiki before starting DaS / DaS2. Where's the fun on that?
>>318167075
Would play.
>>318169127
In some places it's illegal to work for free. I own a FLGS and an employee came in unscheduled and wanted to work for free and by law I had to refuse him.
>>318169280
I assume it's because Bloodborne's been out for quite a while and he didn't have a PS4 until very recently.
Good.
Demon's, 3 Dark Souls and 1 Bloodborne is more then enough to give the series a rest.
Last thing I want is for it go to yearly releases. Assassins Creed or CoD style where its just shitting out game after game.
The schtick gets old. I hope they learned from developing the Souls games and we get some new IP, or revival of old IP's.
FROM obviously built up some good faith with Sony with Bloodborne and hopefully we see them develop more stuff. I mean FROM has a lot of IP's they can fall back on.
>>318166486
http://www.pcgamer.com/dark-souls-3-isnt-the-last-in-the-series-but-is-a-turning-point/
It isn't.
>3D.gameheroes 2
im ok with this
>>318169127
>vgchartz
They're known to pull percentages out of their butthole
>Steam
I'm sure out of those 2 million people, 1'999.999 bought the game at a 75% discount. So, at the end of the day Dark Souls PC didn't sell 2 million copies; it sold 500k. Shit sales.
>>318169525
That interview was before this one >>318167487
>>318169417
I really hope Dark Souls 3 has people actually trying to hit level cap.
People were shitting on me for having a character over level 200 on BB.
Demons Souls had tons of pvp/co op on higher levels.
>>318166827
they're japanese, they don't give a fuck about their western fans
>MFW From's new game is a puzzle mobile game
>>318166486
Wow, it's almost like studios that have a passion for making games often want to try out different things. And when you're a studio with money, with no jew publishers behind you, you can afford to do that.
>>318169661
I hated how Dark Souls had a meta SL cap of 60 thanks to tryhard min-maxers. Good luck trying to co-op if you reach SL 61.
>>318169578
Okay, you're saying that even though they got 500k sales for just porting the game (not even well, mind you), and it's not worth it? 500.000 * 60 dollars minus a 30% cut for Valve, which equals 21.000.000 dollar is bad?
Are you really implying 21 million dollars for a small amount of work is a bad deal?
>>318168884
Well I only spoiled a few things, nothing major, was supposed to get my PS4 next Wednesday, but UPS pulled through and I'm getting it next Monday. I'm good at the Souls games, but I hear this game is especially harder so I'm a little nervous yet excited.
>>318166486
You're misinterpreting it
Dark Souls 3 will wrap up the Dark Souls games. The cycle will end and the story will come full circle - everything will go back to Archtrees and everlasting dragons; the age of dark will return. That is the end of Dark Souls
The 'franchise' isn't over, we will still get games like Bloodborne - a similar gameplay formula with a completely different theme, aesthetic and story, and this is the way it should be
I thought I was okay with the series dying after Dark Souls 2, but Bloodborne was fantastic and I'd like to see more of the settings they can come up with.
>>318169661
Because people took the arbitrary Demon's Souls "pvp standard" level of like ~80-120 into Dark Souls.
Then it got lauded as some kind of PvP game when really the series was never about that. Invasions were a way to add the X factor to balance out co-op making levels too easy due to multiple people playing levels balanced for one.
Then everyone became a faggot try-hard and ruined the community.
>>318169756
I wouldn't be surprised.
Traditional gaming is high investment / high risk; meanwhile mobile games print money and you only have to hire two people: a code monkey and a graphic designer.
Do I not get Armored Core or is it designed for a very niche market? Do Armored Core games sell more than Souls games? Don't say "well it sells more in Japan" because Japan is insignificant: any given game launch sees maybe 100k if it's super popular in Japan and 300k in the West.
Those of you clamoring over a new AC: why? If you don't like mecha games, you won't like AC. At least Souls has wider appeal.
Not trying to troll/shitpost, I'm genuinely curious. I could never get into Armored Core, but granted I've only played the PS1 ones. Building a mech is fun, but the gameplay is pretty subpar in my opinion.
Someone last night said that Miyazaki's desire to make a sci-fi game could lead to a Souls-like with a Dead Space atmosphere. I'd play that.
But Armored Core 6 needs to happen first.
>>318169839
Yeah I want to play this but I keep seeing people level up to extreme levels to fight the DLC bosses and apparently that's not enough you have to make builds in an exact way as older builds from pre-dlc can't match up.
>>318169756
>yfw they took what they learned from Souls and apply it to a Mech game
>yfw everyone fucking hates it because they don't get Armored Core
Watch when AC-whatever drops and all the hipsters go back and try and get into the series and get fucking shit on. Expected armored core prices to go up because of hipsters.
>tfw playing AC since release
>still haven't beaten Last Raven because of how fucking insanely hard it is.
>>318169989
>Those of you clamoring over a new AC: why? If you don't like mecha games, you won't like AC.
It's almost as though the people clamoring over a new AC like mecha games.
>>318170039
Why not both? >>318167075
>>318167093
>smallish studio makes 5 games of the same type of game just because it's fun
A game doesn't get 4 sequels/spinoffs unless it sells within expectations.
>>318169196
Thanks. As a side it's harder to riposte with guns than I thought it'd be. But maybe I'm just not used to the timing. Anyway Cleric Beast down. Don't know how many more bosses to go but I'm having a good time.
>>318169280
In all honesty I just couldn't help myself.
>>318168512
>CoD costs a lot because of the devs rent
>>318170093
No, I realize that, but consider the population of people who are into mech games vs those in medieval fantasy games. It must be at least 20:1 in favor of medieval fantasy. My wording was weird but I meant why would From make a game for a very small niche audience when they could make one with broad appeal?
>>318169989
I'm excited about Armored Core because i like mecha games. They don't sell nearly as well as Souls games, but neither did Souls games until they got lucky with DaS's PC port.
I've played every Armored Core and i liked the multiplayer in Verdict Day, i even imported a Japanese copy so there's actually people to play with. So why wouldn't i be excited for a new one?
>>318170039
>Dead Space Souls
I would so hard.
they never said that. all that's going to happen is we're going to get similar gameplay under a different name with different twists on the formula. they're a business. until sales dip to the point it's not worth making there will be more Souls-esque games.
>>318170225
>neither did Souls games until they got lucky with DaS' PC port
>believing this nonsense
How fucking retarded are you really?
Dark Souls gained popularity because it was multiplat, which opened up the floodgates to the dudebro 360 only kiddies to the spiritual successor to the gamespot GOTY for 2009. It was successful long before the Artorias DLC or the PC port was announced you fucking faggot.
>>318167525
except you probably haven't played the game because it requires 18 arc MIN and it's more of a quality weapon this time around
>>318167307
Apart from Armored Core the Souls games are pretty much the only thing From is known for.
They were pretty much a shovelware tier developer before Demon's Souls made them famous. So don't automatically expect quality from them.
>>318167525
>>318166929
You're retarded. The sword was on his back the whole time. He was just too insane to realize or notice.
>As for why it suddenly appears in the fight, and allows him to wield it, I have no idea
They even fucking play a clattering metal sound effect during the cutscene to drive home the fact that you dislodged it.
>It's probably his inspiration behind his Holy Blade he made in the workshop.
Yes.
People are so fucking dumb.
>>318169219
>You slay hundreds of normal people
>You're a hallucinating madman who's out of control
>>318170181
You'll get used to the timing eventually. I find it easier with guns because you can parry from a distance, whereas shields required you to stay close.
>>318170221
Because From doesn't give a shit about market demographics, and neither should you unless you're a soulless corporate hack. They had their hit in the form of Souls, but that doesn't dictate the decades they've been around making whatever they feel like.
>>318170423
Armored Core Verdict Day is multiplat as well, though.
It's on the 360 and the PS3.
And Dark Souls was relatively popular, but the real breakthrough happened when the PC port came out. I'm not saying the game sold like ass, but the PC port got A LOT of attention compared to the PS3 version.
>>318170458
Did you not listen to the NPCs and look at the item descriptions for his sword?
He knew of the MLGS from legend and wanted to make it but ended up with Ludwig's Holy Sword instead. It was a failed experiment, he never had MLGS. The one that appears is a hallucination, none of the DLC actually happened.
>>318170453
>Shovelware-tier
>believing this.
They made excellent games...
Kings Field (and its spinoffs like Eternal ring), Otogi, Echo night, Armored Core, Chromehounds, the notorious Metal Wolf Chaos.
None of their games are even bad
>>318170549
In the end, From is a business, a business driven by money. You think they make games out of goodwill? Sure they're dedicated and inspired, but they wouldn't be doing it for free.
Consider how popular From is after the Souls games versus before. I'm sure the Souls games, not even counting Bloodborne, has outsold every AC title to date combined. The money is in Souls, not AC.
>>318168443
Goddammit, I wanted to say that!
>>318169879
$60? try $30
(30*500000)-30%= 10'000.000. That's pretty negligible given how it's the equivalent to just 200k sales on your main platform.
Add to that how the games themselves decline in quality when PC becomes involved with console franchises. Just look at dark souls 2 and MGSV.
>>318170619
>He knew of the MLGS from legend and wanted to make it but ended up with Ludwig's Holy Sword instead
No. You're reading and story comprehension skills are STAGGERINGLY shitty.
>He knew of the MLGS from legend and wanted to make it but ended up with Ludwig's Holy Sword instead
No. He always wielded it and it was why is he was a famed badass. He made the LHB as a knockoff along with the kirkhammer to equip the Church Hunters he was organizing, leading and training.
> he never had MLGS
Oh boy
>The one that appears is a hallucination, none of the DLC actually happened.
Toppest among all of the keks. I wish I had more spare time to ridicule you for your idiocy, but I'm out of time.
>>318170427
Bullshit. I'm 36 Str, 35 Skl, 18 Blt, 10 Arc, 40 Vit.
BL100. Military Background.
Main weapon was Hunter Axe, switched to Ludwigs +10. Does around 777 damage per swing on my build and gem configuration. My lucky build.
I also have a +10 Stake Driver, a +9 Gherman Scythe, +9 Saw Cleaver, +9 Whirligig Saw, and +9 Hunter Axe.
Very tempted to go Church Pick next to +9. That chained Charged attack is impressive.
>>318170902
[citation needed]
>>318170697
Kings Field was a great series, I kind of forgot about those games. And Eternal Ring was pretty shitty (good concept but horrible execution), but other than that they did make a lot of good games
>>318170618
PC gamers are cheap as fuck.
Sure, Dark Souls may have sold 40% on PC alone, but how many of those sales were fucking just steam sale garbage? Its still 60% sold on 360/PS3.
PC kids are the fucking worst. Its no surprise that the PC community is also rife with fucking hackers and cheat engine users.
>>318166929
That's interesting, wasn't there a moonlight great sword that someone was hunting in dark souls 2?
>>318170697
The DS Tenchu was pretty shit.
Other than that they're pretty much all good games.
>>318170784
You can't endlessly pump out the same kind of game and expect them all to sell well, you have to invest in other things too. Look at Assassin's Creed, the games have been steadily selling less. Same goes for WoW.
And maybe the developers want to work on something new as well.
Why not work on making Armored Core as much of a success as Dark Souls was? That way you have two best selling franchises instead of one.
>>318170961
>Stake Driver +10
Good shit m8, first playthrough was Stake Driver. That thing wrecks ass, i'm surprised there aren't more people that use it. I did Ebrietas, Wet Nurse, Gherman and the Moon Presence in one go with it.
>>318170510
>It was all a dream
>>318170697
To be fair. Most of that stuff is what I would call shovelware.
They might have some okay quality but it doesn't mean that they don't have some shovelware qualities.
I mean the three first King's Field were yearly releases, and Armored Core didn't fare much better either in that area.
>>318168443
To be honest, I'd rather get a Metal Wolf sequel.
>>318169280
I didn't think I'd ever get a PS4 but I jumped on one during the Kmart thing.
>>318171215
Moonlight Greatswords are a connecting thing throughout most of From's games. Even Armored Core has a Moonlight Greatsword.
>>318171251
Just because something is released yearly doesn't mean it's shovelware.
One year later and it still remains the best Ubishit game in a while.
>>318171095
For the time, although I won't say they've aged well either.
Playing them now is masochistic or pure nostalgia.
Although I will applaud the uncompromising nature and willingness to just throw you in the deep end with the admonition to "save the world asshole!" ringing in your ears as you flounder around trying not to drown from the very start.
>>318170845
>google metal wolf chaos
>Michael Douglas is in the game
what!?
>>318170458
I just agreed with an anon's theory on why Ludwig somehow didn't know he had the Moonlight Sword.
It made sense to me and at least erased some of the questions I got when I fought him.
Who was narrating that "Ludwig the Accursed had arrived", when you start the fight? Old Hunter Yamamura?
Is Ludwig monologue-ing himself?He was that kind of bard?
I fought that fight 6 times, once on my game and 5 times helping others. Ludwig is definitely insane.
He may have had the true moonlight sword or maybe he didn't have it at all before he transformed.
>>318171518
forgot pic
>>318171518
Michael Wilson looks a lot like Michael Douglas.
Don't question it. Play the game though, it's hilarious.
>>318166716
>number a secret
That's corporate speak for "It didn't sell very good, at the very least, sub par to what we were expecting"
>>318171429
>Just because something is released yearly doesn't mean it's shovelware.
Then what is shovelware?
Also. There were THREE AC titles in 2004. Even if the games are good they must have suffered in quality by that point.
>>318171474
Why did I post this here? I meant to make a new thread, sorry.
>people think DS3 is the last Souls game
o i am laffin
>>318171587
>Who was narrating that "Ludwig the Accursed had arrived", when you start the fight? Old Hunter Yamamura?
>Is Ludwig monologue-ing himself?
Did you seriously not see the guy crawling on the ground during the intro?
>>318171624
I dont have an xbox huge mate
>>318171429
I didn't know that,that's really interesting
>>318171513
I would love to play them but I can't past the awful FPS controls.
>>318171598
I'LL BE THE ONE TO WAGE THIS WAR
>>318171587
>Who was narrating
No narrator. One of the corpses spoke to you. Did you really miss that part too?
>He may have
There's no doubt. It's CLEARLY on his back in the intro cutscene.
>>318166486
Honestly this is how games should be. Stop spamming them into oblivion. Make them until their good and then stop and move on to new ideas.
DS3 better be the best in the entire series. I hope they put as much effort as ever. However, to be honest I remember him saying something like this for DS2 so I'm pretty sure this is some kind of PR move to give the game more attention.
Either way they will still make souls like games. They just need to take more time making them. They already have many ideas and mechanics built down. They just need to master them further and hopefully keep some of those great exploration ideas back from King's Field. Some of the Souls/BB stuff was lacking in that department.
>>318170043
A big issue with Bloodborne is that beating the last boss instantly kicks you into NG+ even if you don't really want to be there yet. Also the DLC is accessible long before the average player should really attempt it, since the bosses are similar or stronger than the very end-game bosses. So you have a situation where a ton of people don't want to start over, load up their old character at the beginning of NG+, kill the first couple bosses of vanilla to get into it, and then get absolutely trashed by bosses equivalent to bosses at the very end of NG+. There's also the issue where the new weapons may have stats or scaling they weren't expecting, meaning they have to level or grind for upgrade materials to use what they want effectively.
For someone coming in completely fresh, none of this is really a problem. Bloodborne almost always offers multiple options at any given time. Can't kill this boss? Go a different direction, do something else, come back when you think you can. The DLC fits in really well in this sense. Maybe when you first access it you won't be able to get to or kill Ludwig, but you can look around and pick up a lot of new shit (like 5 melee weapons, 2 firearms, and a couple outfits) to use in the regular game until you can.
>>318169340
He's the fucking President of the company. Anything he does for it is considered work and he's on a salary so he can work whenever the fuck he wants.
What type of brand new game would you like to see From Software do?
>>318166486
Finally.
>>318170619
Please tell me you're joking and that you know that what you just said was utter bullshit.
>>318171928
Space souls
>>318171903
I hear people try to tackle some of those DLC bosses like Ludwig at lvl 300 or so. Are they that tough or do those players just suck?
>>318171691
>>318171821
There was a guy? I thought that was generic moving terrain?
I mean, outside the boss room and the few areas beforehand, those terrain infused red dudes are everywhere. I thought they were all "dead inside". As in they can only keep moaning in pain.
If they are conscious and retain sanity, that makes me feel incredibly sad for them (they didn't respawn or stay dead)
I had thought that a Hemwick witch, outside the boss room, had been manipulating the corpses to re-animate, so that she can farm vials/ eyes. (that witch beside the gate with the red man banging the gate, who drops 5 blood vials every time you kill it)
The man who comes out of his shell in nightmare Yharnam. That's a mystery.
>>318168271
Well actually to be honest. They do spend a lot now. They go to events they didn't used to and they spend waaay more on advertising than before.
But that's the problem with investors and publishers. They think that just because something becomes big that it suddenly will become CoD. So they throw a bunch of money at it expecting shit loads of return. They know nothing about the actual audience who enjoys these kinds of games.
>>318172083
The ideal level I heard for NG+ was 130. 300 sounds beyond excessive.
>>318172083
>do those players just suck?
Always assume that players playing Souls/Bloodborne are incredibly casual and bad at the game. Always.
>>318166486
why are they sitting on Tenchu and doing nothing with it? why don't they sell it?
>>318172083
There most likely in NG+ (+++ or who knows)
Bosses become massive HP sponges in NG+ the DLC ones in particular it seems.
>>318172145
watch the intro again, it's very obvious he's the one talking to you. He even almost stands up
>The man who comes out of his shell in nightmare Yharnam. That's a mystery.
The snail enemy that drops from the sky? If you've got to the last DLC area,look carefully into the water
>>318171724
RIP dude, i imported a copy of the game and it's so worth it.
For some reason it's fully voiced in English yet never got a release.
>>318171729
Moonlight modules in AC are hella fun.
>>318171638
The official definition of shovelware is software where speed of release was more important than quality. None of the Armored Core feel bad to play outside of Nine Breaker (released in 2004) which just lacks a lot of features. That's the only one i'd call shovelware.
The other two games released in 2004 are interesting. Formula Front is a PSP game that's nothing like other AC games and honestly was flawed by design. The core gameplay of that game is programming autonomous robots to fight eachother which, while fun for a bit, gets tedious. Then again, it was a PSP launch title.
Nexus is just an average AC game, nothing special about it honestly. It wasn't terrible, it wasn't brilliant.
>>318172228
Too busy milking Souls games.
>>318166556
It's actually From Software talking about their Moonlight Greatsword, which is a signature weapon of theirs. It's appeared in King's Field, Shadow Tower, Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, yet somehow was omitted from Bloodborne. It's basically the developer winking at the fans saying how could they have forgotten it, it's been here all along.
/hype/
>>318171587
One of those not-corpses on the ground is narrating.
>>318171429
KFI you're trying to get the moonlight sword in the main quest
It gets broken in II and you can't get the good ending without getting Guyra (final boss from KFI) to repair it to help you fight Seath.
Personally i'm waiting to get the Dark Slayer and Excelletor
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/S3uiBKk.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
>>318172368
Forgot an image of the moonlight weapons in AC.
>>318166927
You're fucked in the head. Put your little gun away and frick off.
>>318166716
Destiny got all the secret ncis pussy huh?
>>318170784
From is a business. There's people working and if those people get tired of doing Souls games then they'll stop.
>>318172145
>The man who comes out of his shell
Keep playing. It makes sense eventually.
>>318172384
What if they are working in a soulslike tenchu game? Wouldn't that be epin?
>>318170697
Having good games (believe it or not) doesn't make you not a shovelware dev. They hardly sold anything before souls. That's why they were considered shovelware.
I mean I like King's Field too but even those games were very simple in terms of gameplay and mechanics. Can't speak for Armored Core but its pretty niche.
>>318172686
Not really. I'd prefer a regular Tenchu game but perfected.
>>318172368
To be fair, all of their old games other than Armored Core are entirely repetitive and they didn't change much between them.
Even Souls is starting to become close to yearly releases. I want DaS3 to be good but it's coming out waay to soon.
>>318172695
>Having good games (believe it or not) doesn't make you not a shovelware dev. They hardly sold anything before souls. That's why they were considered shovelware.
This is entirely wrong, though. Shit quality, rushed games are the mark of shovelware.
Ubisoft is more shovelware than From is because unlike Ubisoft, From's games actually work.
>>318166714
>>Demon's Souls was a bad game
>>they improved it so much Dark Souls is a masterpiece
you didnt even try with that bait
>>318172368
>one game that was flawed by design
>one that was tedious
>one that was just okay
Isn't that pretty much a sign that quantity was getting in the way of quality?
>>318166486
It's a good thing. They need a break nigga, time to make something new or the series will suffer. If you keep beating the same horse it will end up dead and so will your ideas for it. It's better that after DaS3 they make some new IPs and then return to genre when they're refreshed and actually want to make it again.
No way they won't go back to the Souls formula though. Of course they will. I predict a new Souls-esque game in four years tops.
Btw you're saying it like they've already done it. We just fucking got The Old Hunters and Dark Souls 3 is out in April, a game that will undoubtedly last you a solid 2 years. Then they'll of course release DLC for DaS3 which will again extend its life. Only then will they finally move on. I don't know about you but I'm already feeling Souls fatigue anyway. DeS, DaS1, DaS2, BB... that's a fucking lot. After DaS3 I really wouldn't want another Souls game for a few years minimum. When the eventual announcement is made though I'm sure it's gonna blow our fucking minds.
Dark Souls is fucking done, but man, no more Bloodborne?
Feels way too soon to let Bloodborne end here.
>>318172345
>>318172672
Will do. Onto the end I will go.
>>318171821
>>318171691
>>318172402
Will watch it again. I now find it regretful I cannot kill them and put them out of their misery no matter what.
>>318166486
Nigga, i would gladly sacrifice souls for a new (good) kingsfield or armored core game
>>318173284
>good series/games/anime/etc end on a high note before turning into shit. I'd be happy if they decided to go on another direction after bloodbourne and the ds games
>>318173160
Bloodborne is just a tech demo for ds3
>>318173405
I completely fucked that post up.
Disregard greentext and quote
>>318173334
>kingsfield
The souls series is literally kingsfield done right and everyone is already sick of it.
They should stick to Armored core and Tenchu now.
>>318171928
A mech series could be cool.
>>318173441
a tech demo with infinitely better setting and combat
>>318171928
4 player party based full co-op souls, would allow for huge scaled increases in monster power
>>318172206
Nah. I don't do that because that's a toxic habit to get into. You just end up shutting down legitimate arguments and points with ad hominem "git gud" garbage then. I'm not promoting that bullshit.
>>318166556
they were at his side, all along
>>318166486
Would you rather they churn out rehashes year after year and have the series go the way of Assassin's Creed?
It's best this way. Five games in seven years is already pushing it. Maybe they'll come out with another spiritual successor some time later.
>>318173686
>Tenchu
you just hit a nerve, I want my stealth ninja action back so bad
>no more bloodborne
Good literally the worse game in the whole franchise. No exploration or weapon diversity. Very boring game. Forces one play style on you and that is fast paced sword play.
>no more dark souls
Good. Let the series die after 3. Set up a new world and story. Gives them more creative freedom. Hell do Demon Souls 2.
I want to see eternal ring done right.
>>318174220
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>>318173882
So dungeons and dragons souls? The playstyle differences actually lends itself well to something like that
>>318172083
Grinding isn't usually going to get you anywhere in these games. Diminishing returns usually means a player at level 120 and a player at level 600 aren't very far apart. For example, in this chart I believe the changes are at levels 70 and 145. Also every 10 points of defense is 1% damage reduction, so at the end you see hundreds of levels giving you 5% extra damage reduction. Not going to change much.
The same kind of things happen with damage. Stacking 50 more levels of strength might get you 30 more damage, but that's pathetic compared to the first 50 levels of strength's effect. You'll get more damage from just getting better gems, which is also a grind (chalice dungeons) people are often unwilling to do.
The only worthwhile grind I can see that might truly help would be getting more VIT to keep you from eating shit immediately. It's a pretty common idea to have low to medium health in Souls games because almost all boss attacks are limited to a % of your max health and estus can only heal so much, so gaining more health just meant you ironically take more damage and need to drink even more to heal it off. In bloodborne, damage caps seem to be less frequent, enemies often dish out damage in combos to eat up your rally potential instead of single-big hits that knock you down (and let you easily reset to full health in Souls), and blood vials heal a % of your health so they always keep up with your VIT. Getting more health is probably a good idea, that should be taken into consideration, but even grabbing 50 extra levels of VIT isn't going to bump you up 200 levels over everyone else.
Also, woops wrong picture originally.
>>318172695
>there are people on /v/ right now, who don't know what shovelware means.
>Armored Souls
>play as a dude in power armor
>bonfires=garages
>can only change equipment when in garage
>souls=nanomachines
>rolling=nerfed version of quickboost system from AC4/FA
>tons of customization
>mechanical designs by Shoji Kawamori, Yutaka Izubuchi and Makoto Kobayashi
>Nine Ball is the final boss
>difficulty on par with Last Raven
>>318174626
Dude you are making me think of some cool shit that could work with that
>>318174089
> and have the series go the way of Assassin's Creed?
You mean just like FROM have done with every other IP they've had.
People seem to forget that the souls games are just a 3D continuation of the kings field games and before that FROM ran Armored Core & Tenchu into the ground.
They're going to keep making souls games as long as they sell but kadokawa will probably put Miyazaki onto a new game in the hopes that it'll turn into a profitable series like the souls games.
>>318166947
>stopped reading there
>stopped reading at the end of his post
>this is significant
I agree with you anon but really
>>318174440
>A level 120 and 600 aren't far apart
In terms of damage output with a specific weapon the 120 is tailored too, I suppose.
In terms of everything else? Not even close.
A max level has every option available to him, the absolute best scaling. People go
>muh diminishing returns
But you still continue to scale all the way up to 99.
You're going against a guy who hits like a strength or dex build in melee, with all the options of an arcane build at his disposal, as well as absolute max Hp and can use -any- weapon effectively.
You guys obviously never had a max level in Demon's or Dark Souls. You shit on everything.
>>318166486
I'm honestly worried for From.
Their other franchises are mediocre at best. IMO they really should stick with the Souls template but rebuild it from the ground up and introduce some new and interesting thing mechanics/design elements.
Blodborne and DS3 are very obviously built off DeS still.
>>318174723
>You will never kill ousters in zero-g while defending the treeship from their attack barges.
Hyperion is crying for a videogame.
>>318175227
If they just worked on making the combat more interesting and went for a faster paced design than souls games Tenchu could be made just as good or better than souls. The problem there is whether or not they would actually try to improve it or just stick to their shitty tradition. You know there's a surprisingly high number of people that think Tenchu 1 and 2 are some of the best stealth games ever made, right? Furthermore they aren't just stealth games, back in their day they had some of the best sword combat around, and it still holds up compared to a lot of shitty games made these days.
From Software should focus more on character movesets and environment, ditch multiplayer completely and tone down PvE to mostly bossfights. I want them to make a third person exploration game now that Pratchett's spawn has killed Tomb Raider. They can pick the setting themselves, work on the evasion/stealth/climbing system and create glorious maps and puzzles. They have too much talent in art/map design department to waste it on iterations of the same formula.
Or they can go the safe route and make Blame! (Cyberborne) or Knights of Sidonia (Armored Core: Space Opera Edition).
Does anyone even remember what other games From made? Maybe they made enough money with souls games and want to make the games they actually want to make.
>>318174865
I'm mostly talking from the perspective of someone playing through PVE who just wants to kill bosses. He says people are grinding to beat DLC bosses, but I'm saying stats aren't going to save you after a certain point. The bosses have too much health to gimmick kill in a couple hits like you could set up in Dark Souls, so it boils down to not getting hit, having the health to survive one mistake, and going the distance. Getting 98 more combined levels of STR+SKI so your Holy Blade does 10% more damage probably isn't going to suddenly make the fight doable when it was impossible before. Although on NG+++++whatever, you may as well pump into heavy diminishing returns because there's nothing else left to do. It shouldn't be your go-to when confronting something difficult the first time.
>>318175828
So much ignorance in one post.
FROM's a company. They've obviously been making the games they've wanted to make to moderate financial success. If the games weren't selling they would've closed up shop -years- ago. Developers come and go, FROM has been around for a long time now. They aren't going anywhere.
>>318175828
>Does anyone even remember what other games From made?
>>318166716
All console-locked games sell poorly.
Bloodborne and Demon Souls would sell at least another million copies if they were ported to PC, just like Dark Souls was.
>>318176070
>>318176140
Maybe I should put a fucking trigger warning before my post and state that it was sarcasm. Fucking niggers.
>>318176296
nice damage control
>>318176247
>believing this
Demon's would be considered far too archaic since everyone played Dark 1 or 2 first.
The sheer amount of upgrade stones in Demon's alone woudl put people off of it.
>>318174865
>having problems against str builds
>having problems against magic builds
>having problems against dex builds
>having problems against miracles builds
If you know how to fight against them it doesnt matter if they are all in 1 char or if you fight one at a time.
99% of pvp you can just use unlocked running attacks and roll away and fags wont even be able to touch you or know what to do.
>>318173912
>You just end up shutting down legitimate arguments and points with ad hominem "git gud" garbage then.
Only if you're retarded. Most of the most common complaints about these games ARE best answered with "git gud". Legitimate arguments exist, but almost everything else is whiny baby shit.
>>318176424
No. You're in damage control mode for being a fucking retard you double nigger.
>EA, Ubisoft, Activision keeps releasing sequels to games and people hates it, accuse them of milking the franchise and call them evil
>From Software says they wont do that.
>"OMG FROM WHY U DO THIS?!?! MAKES NO SENSE
You are all a bunch of hack frauds.
>>318176850
Because contrary to what people say, or how they feel, the numbers don't lie.
Most people who go "its shit" probably pre-ordered it lol.
I'm of the camp where if they can keep inspired, and keep making the games good, then go ahead and release them every year or year and a half. The issue is when you get some uninspired drivel like Dark Souls 2 it leaves a blemish on your series thats never going to be able to be taken off.
>>318176850
Nice job reading the thread.
If From decided to make King's Field again, could they improve on the first person combat?
>>318177134
Probably something like chivalry?
>>318177272
Jesus Christ no
>>318166486
They are doing the right decision on letting Dark Souls rest.
I immediately hated the existence of a "Dark Souls 2" instead of <another thing> Souls and my fears became true once that garbage came out.
These games are self-contained and should stay as such with each one telling a different story and showing a different setting. I view things such as Dark Souls 2 the same way I view movies like Butterfly Effect 2: completely unnecessary sequels that add absolutely nothing to the original and instead drag the whole thing down.
Bloodborne, however, was a step in the right direction. They managed to innovate a lot while still retaining the overall feeling of a Souls games and that is what they should be doing. If they kept releasing more games like this, every time with a different scenario and story, I would be more than glad.
Pumping out sequel after sequel after sequel is just milking dry a franchise. Eventually it gets stale and boring.
>>318177134
Considering Kings Field 4 doesn't even utilize both analog sticks I would sure as shit say so.
>there'll be no more souls games
THANK FUCKING GOD
>>318177383
Problem is with floatiness and broad stroking every first person melee game does, third person is simply the optimal way to do actions because you can utilize the body far more.
What they need to do is remake the King's Field games
Throw in some of the more punishing elements of the Souls series, and maybe expand the characterization system so you can be either a mix of swords and magic, or master one over the other.
>>318166929
The sword is probably and old one relic.
