This is pretty much accurate
>>318058748
>Link should be in B
>Sword fighter in D
>F rank should be just called Mewtwo Rank
But pretty much, this is perfect, if you change it to that.
>samus better than anyone
>all mains bar Ryu are B
I'm okay with this
Lucas 4 lyfe fuck Ness
>Toon Link not at least A-
>>318058748
>Dedede
>in D tier
aptly lettered, but still inaccurate
>>318059345
>picks villager
nothin personnel kid
>>318058748
When did Metaknight rank up that high?
>tfw Robin main
I was told there were meaningful buffs, not a handful of grab improvements that don't mean shit when he's the slowest character in the game.
>>318059437
When people started realizing that just because he isn't SS tier anymore doesn't mean he's garbage. So, a while ago.
>>318059404
Or sonic. Dedede loses hard to a couple characters but really doesn't have a bad matchup against others like shiek/rosa. And he shits on many of the other melee based characters, Ryu/Captain Falcon/Ike DK/the FE clones et al.
>>318058748
>F rank should be just called Mewtwo Rank
I second this
Tired playing Mewtwo, he's shit, and not even fun to use.
That floatyness is just god awful, and has no way of protecting himself, when coming back to the stage.
>>318058748
>Rosalina, Sonic and Pika being in the same tier as Shiek
>Luigi that high
>Ike that high
This list is weird, man
>>318058748
S through A- is pretty accurate.
I think Greninja should be a bit lower, same with kirby. WFT and Robin belongs in D. Toonlink should be brought up to B.
>>318058748
All that hype for Mewtwo just for him to be worse than his Melee incarnation
>>318059976
Luigi is very strong, where have you been? He was the best character potentially after the buff until he got nerfed.
>>318060243
He's strong but "not same tier as Mario" strong. That nigga is A- tier now
>>318059175
I can comfortably say Samus is better than Zelda and Mewtwo
>>318059275
Toon Link is very average m8
>>318059345
Dedede gets raped by anyone with a disjoint
>>318059976
Luigi lost a kill confirm but gained a shitload of combos and a better Dair from the "nerf"
Ike is good as fuck.
>>318058748
It's fucking ridiculous how much of a planet-destroyer Rosalina was at the beginning
Pac is at least A-
>>318059103
>Link should be in B
Nah, Link's still kinda booty.
Toon Link should be in B.
>>318060502
Forgot my pic
>>318058748
i really refuse to believe Mewtwo's that bad. it's not just this list, it's damn near all of them
im not gonna sing from the rooftops over how good he is, but i can see him at the top end of a "low tier"
he's got some quick moves/overall passable frame data, a godly projectile and a fantastic grab game. respectable kill power too.
>>318058748
>Don't want to play anyone in the top three bars
guess I'm done with tr4sh
>>318058748
>Luigi better than Mario
>>318060623
Mewtwo is godawful.
>>318059175
Don't suck at the game.
>>318060421
Don't suck at the game.
>>318060574
What were they thinking?
And even after all of that she's still busted.
>>318060574
people keep saying that frequent patches disrupt the "meta", but im glad for it
the game is MUCH better
bugfixes aside, if this game never saw a balance change, itd be dead in the fucking water by last April. the negativity surrounding the game around february (whatever event that was) was palpable
>>318060773
Might as well use that comment for every single post in the thread senpai.
>>318060653
>guess I'm done with tr4sh
>Not a while ago a Doc. Mario defeated probably the best Pikachu in USA
Stop complaining faget, play whoever you want and be good.
>>318060526
I debated it but I decided to leave him off of it since he simply lacks a kill move unlike all of the A-S tiers do. You have to really work to get kills with Pac-Man if your foe is playing super defensively and doesnt fall into your set ups and baits
>>318060623
Mewtwo is trash, there really is not redeeming him. Even with his pros, being such a huge hitbox and being so damn light is a death sentence. Mewtwo can get killed as early as 70% by some of the lightest smash attacks
>>318060838
>UH HA HA.
There was no "fight" at that time tbqh
Man i hate to see my koopa niggas drop further down with every tier list. Honestly they should be in lower C or at least the beginning of D
>>318059472
Robin's projectiles should be the best ones in the whole game for their limited use. It's a meaningless weakness in its current state.
>>318060653
Even D tier is viable for high placing just git gud
>>318060838
>if this game never saw a balance change, itd be dead in the fucking water by last April.
Only because Meleefags refuse to move on. You don't see the vast majority of Street Fighter fans refusing to play anything but Street Fighter 2.
This shit makes no sense to me.
>>318060926
I know I'm good with DDD until sonic/villager show up. Then I have to play like an utter pansy and run away and kill them using almost nothing but nairs and I get bored af.
>>318061121
Has that guy even been through any changes since Smash came out? I don't recall any discussions about his nerfs/buffs.
>>318058748
>My 3 mains since 64 are S/A+ tier
Dayum. Haven't been this high up since never.
>>318061148
Don't start
Villager too low
Diddy, Luigi slightly too high
Kirby way too high, enjoy the worst approach options in the goddamn game
Shulk way too high, enjoy the slowest and most unsafe buttons in the goddamn game
Zard, Palu way too low
Mewtwo slightly too low, he's bad but not worse than Jiggs or Zelda
I can let everything else slide.
>>318061148
>This shit makes no sense to me.
Really? Hang around a couple of Smash threads. 90% of them boil down to Melee vs. P:M vs. Sm4sh dick measuring contests.
Personally I enjoy all three and can see why someone would prefer one over the other, I just don't understand the hostility.
>>318058748
>put sheik in a-
>put mewtwo in b
>put little mac in b
>>318061373
It's insane how Brawl placed nearly all of the 64 veterans (sans Fox, of course) in the bottom tier.
>>318061551
Thats Autism for ya
>>318061594
Fox was mid tier in Brawl.
You're thinking of Pikachu who's never been mediocre or bad.
>>318061543
>Mewtwo slightly too low, he's bad but not worse than Jiggs or Zelda
You don't know how bad Mewtwo really is
>http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/Weight
Jigglypuff can toy with Mewtwo, and sent him flying at 30%
Zelda is like Sheik when fighting Mewtwo because he's an easy combo for everyone in the game.
>>318058748
>Robin and Link in C
LOL
O
L
>>318061578
>put mewtwo in b
sure, when he gets buff'd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2_AIdsqYQw
>>318062014
Robin's debatable but Link is not that great
>>318061578
>Put Little Mac in B
No character that can be gimped that easily should ever be higher than C-
>>318062183
Then why is Ness in A+?:^)
>>318062128
Lets not forget this one
>Shadowball can miss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnF8iSh9MaI
>>318058748
>Rosa in S
>Pikachu in S
>Sonic in S
No. Luma is too easy to kill and thus fuck up Rosa big time. DaBuz might be doing well with her, but Rosa is not on the same level as Sheik and ZSS when played superiorly.
>>318061309
Well the forward smash had the hitbox increased which is nice. The cannon ball got a bit faster but it still isnt worth using unless you have a toy on the stage and you trying to mix up the projectile pressure
>>318062183
what's sheik doing in S then?
>>318062014
Link fucking sucks, he has it easy on FG because FD only and lag but in a real match he sucks.
>>318062745
Don't suck and learn to fucking combo and string together your projectiles, then.
>>318062506
Rosa still has bullshit hitboxes and kill power. Up air should be fucking outlawed.
Also she hard counters any projectile user.
Maybe she's not S tier. I just wanted an excuse to complain about her.
>>318062826
I've never seen Links get far at my locals, they get eaten up.
>>318062719
>sheik
>easily gimped
Sheik is nearly impossible to gimp, what game are you playing?
>>318062863
Not to mention she's got insane priority
The rings from her uptilt beat out Bowser's butt smash and a ton of other moves.
>>318062826
Link sucks.
Toon Link is solid.
Just admit it, anon. Speed and movement is key in smash
What tier is Zero's Vanessa?
>>318062745
>Link fucking sucks
>because of people like you, I have to say "git gud"
Link has projectiles and early kill moves, learn to get fancy with it.
>most fun characters are sub-a tier
I'm going back to project M.
>>318063069
Is that his sister? They have the same face
Better list incoming.
Miis are tiered according to most recent MLG ruleset (all customs, forced 50/50 size)
>>318061551
I played the FUCK out of melee growing up but I wouldn't go back to it at all. I don't know how to describe why I don't like the game itself, it just feels too.. stunlock-y? Like once they've got something going on you, that's it. You've lost.
>>318063130
>Villager, Meta Knight and Fox better than Ness
>>318063130
I like OP's list better
Why do people keep putting Dedede below Bowser?
>>318062719
>FG
>really good sheik
>play bow wow
>everytime he tries to recover i go after him
>bair or fair depending on position relative to stage
>stage spike or successful gimp
>not even his up b could save him
>goes on for 2 more matches before he leaves
i'm just playing smash 4 and enjoying the fact that no good sheik can touch me
>>318058748
Is Roy really only mid tier?
and how is Olimar NOT garbage?
>>318058748
charizard is more viable than palutena tbqh
>>318063384
>good sheik
>>318062941
>>318063384
tagged myself like a dipshit
>>318063097
Having projectiles doesn't make your character good look as Samus. Link can kill early with his smash attacks and dash attack but those are incredibly slow, have a TON of lag which means if you miss your dead which means at high percents your less likely to commit to one to kill in fear of getting killed yourself.
Link hisself as mentioned before has a shit load of lag on his moves
Average air game
And is very slow, in smash that hurts alot more than it helps
>>318063384
>really good sheik
If you were able to beat him, then it wasn't GG
>>318063247
>MK not being fucking broken
>>318063247
ness is extremely limited at high level play. fox and meta knight have extremely good mobility, and villager's zoning is almost unmatched.
ness is good, but his neutral game is atrocious and his low speed + low range coupled with his godawful offstage game make him struggle in too many mu's.
>>318063478
i mean, when he can combo me and get me to 200% with little to no kill potential then he must be doing something right.
the fact it took him that long to shave one stock off my bow wow is pretty sad
>>318063532
>smash attacks
>slow
>>318062937
>if I don't see good results then noone has
>I ony judge by tournament results
>>318063383
Dedede is shit m8, Bowser is heavier, hits harder and doesnt suffer from as much lag issues that Dedede does. Dedede has to recover to the ledge in order to not get raped as his Up B has a load of end lag if he lands on the stage
>>318063627
>little to no kill potential
a good sheik would chase you so far off the stage and constantly pressure your shit neutral game with needles and fair
>>318063619
It's called using your disjoints. You probably shouldn't be using PK Fire and Flash willy nilly if you think he has bad neutral.
>>318063601
can't meta knight potentially kill off a dash attack at mid percents?
with the whole dash attack-> up air chain bullshit -> up-B?
>>318063712
Yes Link's smash attacks are very slow and are loaded with end lag what are you trying to say? Other than his Dash attack and F-tilt that is how Link has to get a kill
>>318063130
Isn't Custom Mii Brawler supposed to be higher tier? Or is that only when they're small?
>>318058748
I'm thankful Mega Man isn't total horse shit
but I was really hoping for him to be GOAT. Ah well, I'll never stop playing him.
>Captain Falcon that low.
Hahahahaahahaha
>>318063862
sure, his 2 disjoints are good, but there are many mu's where they get outclassed (especially versus ike and marth) or are simply not very safe.
and yes, ness's neutral game is the single #1 reason he struggles to stay in the top 10, and has been sliding down the tier lists, even though he's been buffed multiple times. his kill power is incredible, but his neutral game is extremely limited.
there are only so many times you can ffnair and retreat fair before people start catching onto your shit. his neutral game is limited and predictable, which is how he gets forced offstage (where he gets eaten alive by about 50% of the cast)
>>318063872
Still wrong. Bowser has lots of recovery frames. Duck Hunt does. Charizard does. Shulk does. Ike does. Link does not.
>>318063601
This aint Brawl
>>318063619
>Ness
>Awful offstage
This has to be bait. Ness doesnt even have to pursue offstage to apply pressure, PK Fire and PK Thunder do it very well for him. His Nair and Fair have a ton of priority and allow for gimps as well.
Villager can zone but Ness can play offstage and his disjoints allow him to close the gap quickly. Fox I'll give you as its pretty even between the two
>>318063619
>ness is good, but his neutral game is atrocious and his low speed + low range
His neutral game is just fine, SH Fair and Nair are both retarded buttons. He's only below the others of top 10 on my list because of his weak recovery and overreliance on grabs, U-smash, and a slightly slow U-air to kill, meaning he can be camped out on platform stage.
>>318063869
He can kill the entire cast off of dash attack at 0% with Dash attack, U-air, Footstool ff D-tilt jablock, ???, U-air 5x, Up-B.
The generic DA, U-air xN, Up-B works anywhere from 20% to 40% depending on character. Also works from D-throw if they aren't a character with turbo DI like Greninja.
>>318063014
That's because of her disjointed hitboxes.
Blah blah blah, prority doesn't exist.
>>318063247
Ness is fucking overrated.
Fox and Villager are really, really good and MK is basically a worse ZSS.
>>318063947
Falcon is not bad
Falcon players are bad
>>318063130
>most recent MLG ruleset (all customs, forced 50/50 size)
Nice to see they allow Miis.
Any word on allowing Palutena to be good?
>>318064061
>actually judging neutral by only using 2 moves
His disjoints help him, but don't rely on them, nor do you stand still after using them. Only Shiek and Sonic can probably catch him if you space yourself well. Dodge and punish with Nair, his 2nd jumps allows for lots of mixup approaches.
> All these faggots think Mario is S tier
Give it up, nerds. His recovery is shit and loses to most top tiers.
>>318063947
feel ya bro
Mega Man needs a slight buff or two to iron out some bullshit weaknesses and he'd probably be played more.
>>318063384
They clearly weren't a good sheik if they were getting gimped.
>>318063016
Man it sucks bigger guys are fundamentally flawed, I dont think its possible for that to every change in Smash
>>318064083
Have you ever used his Foward, Up smash, dash attack, or aerial aside Nair or are you just shitposting?
http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/Link
>78 FAF on Up smash
>>318064140
>Ness doesnt even have to pursue offstage to apply pressure
you know why that is? because once ness is actually offstage, the stock is immediately over, if the other guy has any idea how to beat ness.
>>318064143
>overreliance on grabs
ness's grab follow ups are great, but his grabgame as a whole is atrocious (due to his low runspeed and extremely short grab range).
this also ties in to his inability to do anything safe in the neutral beyond hoping the other guy runs into a fair or nair, without taking a big risk
>>318064339
actually i was judging it by his 2 best moves in the neutral, coupled with his low speed and range (which is part of what makes so many his moves fairly unviable, in most mu's)
people are figuring out ness, because they're realizing how limited his toolbox typically is. range, and more importantly MOBILITY, are everything. ness has neither.
he's still a great character, but only because his effective killpower is almost the greatest in the game.
>>318063947
Falcon is pretty good, just watch Fatality as he's the only one who bothers with him.
>>318063627
A good Sheik would have killed you at 110% with down throw > up air/Vanish or would have gimped YOU.
You didn't play a good Sheik.
>>318064434
>the shitposting card
Alright, I accept your concession if you're going to act like that.
>>318063130
>shulk that low
Can this meme end?
>>318064421
It's just how it is. The game's mechanics favour speed and movement.
Only exception has really been in Brawl where DDD had stupid chan grabs and Snake had ridiculous hitboxes.
>>318064338
The problem there is that Palutena requires for customs to be on while Miis don't.
Even then there's still a lot of opposition against Miis. Vinnie really seems to be assblasted about them on twitter.
made a better list
>>318064506
Not entirely. Ness has an excellent double jump that you can add range onto due to its properites with air dodges. His Nair is quick enough to get people off of you without falling to far below the stage and his Fair if connects will hold you in place as it knocks the opponent back allowing you to recovery very safely. Yeah disrupt the PK Thunder ball and Ness is fucked but a good Ness knows this and will recover very low and just PK Thunderbounce off the wall if he has to in order to prevent this
>>318064338
She's not great, but between jab, F-air and her armored B-air and dash attack, she can keep opponents at bay and force them to play footsies with her, slowly racking damage with disjointed pokes that are difficult to challenge. Also she has a true Hoo-Hah, which can be set up from Jab.
She doesn't require customs to be good, because her Jab is one of the better spacing tools in the game and it true-combos into a 110% grab kill combo.
>>318064595
>A character whose fastest move is an 8f jab, followed by a 9f grab, is good
>A character whose recovery is easily gimpable is good
>A character with a complete lack of safe-on-sheild aerials is good
>A character with horrible grab range and weak shield pressure is good and is totally not going to struggle to come back from a % deficit
>A character with no autocancellable aerials out of hop, only 1 autocancellable aerial out of full jump w/o fastfall, is good and cna totally approach
Yep, Shulk sure is a functioning character!
>>318064375
This isnt even close to true.
>>318064559
It is shitposting if you are going to state shit that isnt true, how about opening the link I posted and look at Link's frame data before posting again
>>318064375
>loses to most top tiers.
Like who?
Mario even does better vs Sheik than most characters
>>318064990
>Also she has a true Hoo-Hah, which can be set up from Jab.
It isn't a true hoo-hah without lightweight
>>318064990
>cherrypicking
>>318064703
Is Brawler a bad matchup for Sheik or something? Because back in EVO the only Mii with a presence was the Brawler.
>>318065179
Mii Brawler (with custom moves and sizes and shit) is by far the best Mii Fighter.
>>318065179
Brawler is the only mii that isn't hot garbage.
And is aggressively mediocre without customs.
>>318065152
Go into training mode and test it, D-throw U-air is true and most characters can't DI away from it.
>>318065158
Explain to me how a character who can't pressure, zone, recover, or combo effectively is good then.
>>318065626
how does DI even fucking work in this game?
The saddest thing about Mewtwo is that it would be so easy to improve him.
>>318065626
>it works on cpus in training mode it's totally the same as fighting actual people guys
Since this thread is full of sm4shfags, how do I KO with Ryu? I see and read online that Ryu can KO as early as 80% with a jab into true Shoryuken, and I can pull it off flawlessly, but it never KO's. Am I doing something wrong? Are there actually 3 variants of SRK?
>>318066221
SHOOOORYUKEN.
Are you doing the input?
>>318066221
utilt into shoryuken
>>318066221
Also to add even in being in high %, it still doesn't KO. It just launches them really high up.
>>318066221
Your not true Shoryu then if thats the case because its his best kill option since it does kill so quickly and is promised
>>318063801
>shit neutral game
>bowser
pick one
>>318064531
>110%
>shitty combo
>gimp ME
please
>>318066327
>>318066292
I've played a collective of actual fighters, and I never struggle with the DP motion in other games. It works fine when I input it and hit A to follow up.
Is there another variant of SRK?
>People consistently falling for the villagers tree attack
It's hilarious
>>318066585
No there isnt, if they are a heavy character its going to take a little more to KO them
Zelda is underrated.
I know this is off topic, but do the different elements like electricity and fire do anything in smash bros, or are they just for looks?
>Mewtwo
>F Tier
>Dedede
>D tier
>Sonic
>S Tier
>>318066996
Electric attacks have more hit-freeze and red pikmin are immune to fire.
If you play with items, the blast box automatically explodes on contact with fire.
Other than that it's purely aesthetic.
>>318067065
Mewtwo and Dedede are shit
>tfw I still don't have Sm4sh, but Mewtwo is my favourite character from Melee
>>318067150
>Dedede
>Shit
>>318067296
Enlighten me on how being a massive hitbox with a lot of weight is a good thing
>>318067402
>i don't know how to play dedede: the post
>sonic
>S tier
>>318067597
>I dont ever get hit when playing
Ah your just shitposting, thanks for the bump
>>318067215
Well you don't have to worry, anon.
He's just as bad so you don't have much to adjust to.
>>318058748
Did they nerf wario?
>>318067783
I don't think he's been touched ever
>>318067664
>he doesn't know how to use gordos correctly
>he doesn't know how to make use of nearly every attack being a disjoint
>he doesn't know about D3's assraping sweetspots
>he cant re-reflect gordos
>he doesn't know how to use an up-b to instantly shut down any recovery
Does anyone feel like this game's balance is a little weird?
Yeah, past Smash games might have had less viable characters, but this game just feels strange and I can't put my finger on it.
>>318067763
>>318062128 looks worse
>>318068047
Nah he's about the same.
He had shitty hitboxes in Melee too, remember.
At least his reflector works now.
>>318061840
>Jigglypuff can toy with Mewtwo, and sent him flying at 30%
>>318061840
With what, Mewtwo shits on Jiggs since he doesn't have to approach, Jiggs has absolutely dogshit when it comes to approach options.
>Just fought a Pikachu online
>did see why he so high teir
>fucker is fast, and spams Upb like a mother fucker
>Can't get a hit in, but trying to learn this Pikachu play style, so I can beat him in the next match
>Leaves after one win, and change name tag to "U SUX"
I can tell this guy was already salty before this match, and pick Pikachu just for an easy win.
>>318063384
You didn't play a "really good" Sheik, you idiot.
You won't find "really good" Sheiks in FG. You'll find them at tournaments.
Go play at a tournament.
>down throw the game
This game is trash
>>318064143
>weak recovery
I'd put him below where he is because he absolutely folds to Rosalina.
It's probably one of the most lopsided match-ups in the game because of Rosalina's Gravitational Pull move.
Any of you guys up for a tourney?
>>318063384
lol as a Shulk main you have to rely on Sheik's mistakes to not lose, please don't make me laugh at "no good sheik can touch me", get offa FG my man and try something that's at least little better, like Anther's Ladder.
>>318068780
>4p FFA tourney like always
yeah no, sorry
>>318067887
frame data/character attacks are slower then ever on average, but the frame data of the top characters are fucking unreal good, like possibly better than ever (sheik/ZSS/mario)
>>318061840
>>318062128
>>318062498
Is Mewtwo really that bad?
>>318068764
Grav Pull is such a bullshit unbalanced piece of shit move.
>>318064304
MK's grab is less punishable, though.
>>318068351
Well now you're the salty one.
>>318068857
I hate this game
>>318068912
He's pretty bad.
>>318068912
yes
>>318068930
and he can dash attack
>>318062498
Why did he suicide like a retard, simply because shulk used taunt inv frames to go through shadow ball.
>>318068982
just look at how fast the top characters can suffocate you in hitboxes compared to the middle/bottom
mario/zss/sheik/sonic/The Other Good Characters can just chimp out with attacks and theyre awkwardly hard to punish if youre not also picking top tier
maybe im delusional, but i dont remember the top tier being able to do that bar edge cases like top-shelf Melee Fox play and standard Brawl metaknight
>>318069314
Brawl's top tier outside of MK was mostly lolchaingrabs all the time.
Except snake who was all about traps, items and bullshit hitboxes.
While I certainly don't believe she's top ten material I don't buy Jiggs as bottom five. You can absolutely ruin people offstage (even if it's difficult to get there).
>>318069583
Having zero approach options is kind of crippling.
>>318058748
Bowser needd to be in B, move DuckHunt up to A-, Dedede up to C, Zelda down to F
>>318069872
>Duck Hunt
>A material
Anyone planning on starting a /v/kend smash tourney ?
>>318070262
>Anyone planning on starting a /v/kend smash tourney ?
I second this
Someone make one now plz
>>318070225
If you play against a good duckhunt youll see why. He has serious tools
>>318070518
No he doesnt, he can poke at you with projectiles to zone you out and thats all. Literally all. He has no kill moves, his tilts and aerials are not good, his smashes while having range are loaded with lag, his grab game is subar, his recovery is easily gimped.
Duck Hunt Dog is incredibly average
When the fuck is Ness going to get nerfed.
Every fucking For Glory player is running this stupid character with the same stupid flowchart playstyle and it's so tedious to deal with.
>>318071428
>I cant beat Ness
LOL
>>318071937
I cant, explain me how I can.
>>318071050
His back air kills at 130, and his down tilt comes out at frame 6. His smash attacks kill hella early if you bait a opponent to spot dodge, and his upair kills off the top at 90. Easy A material, he is a rosalina counter
>>318071937
I can beat him most of the time, it's just so boring and irritating that I'm sick of it.
I want him to get nerfed so his brain dead play style isn't so effective and shitters would move on to something else
>>318072084
Stop running into obvious PK Fires and use your shield more, spot dodge when you think he is going to grab and learn what DI is , you'll escape so much more. Ness cannot approach very well so learn to space properly
>>318072295
Flow chart ness is easy to kill/gimp. I main fucking Bowser and I have no problem with nessfags
>>318069519
Pretty sure olimar or diddy din't have chaingrabs.
>>318072152
And you negated everything you just said by claiming a character who relies on projectiles to do anything is a counter against a character who is immune to projectiles
>>318072581
>duckhunt relies on projectiles to do anything
Come back when you play against a real DuckHunt player
>>318072818
But Duck Hunt does need his projectiles to do anything you can stop meme'ing any time acting like Duck Hunt is worth a quarter when using his physical attacks only. The projectiles play a major part in Duck Hunt's game much like they do with any character who is mostly projectiles like Link or Pac-Man. You take those away and then Duck Hunt has to beat you with his incredibly limited approach options and total lack of combos and safe attacks to build damage up. Without projectiles he loses any semblance of a kill set up. Duck Hunt can't even get past Luma he is in no way a counter to RosaLuma
