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BETHESDA DIALOGUE THREAD
i dont remember enough about this to figure out why im supposed to be triggered
>Bethesda is bad at writing
When will this meme end?
>>318051789
>When will this meme end?
When will this meme end?
HATE NEWSPAPER
>>318051789
When bethesda hires a writing staff that doesn't cater to 12 year olds on xbox.
>>318051789
>When will this meme end?
When will this meme end?
>>318051456
They fired half of their good writers after they finished morrowind, and the other half after Oblivion's side quests were done.
the dialogue wheel
>negative
>positive
>sarcastic
>trade
we raise children with multiple choice tests and this is the result
a, b, c or d
>>318051456
It's sad how Fallout 3 is better rpg than 4
>>318052647
Actually a lot of the time it's:
>positive
>positive
>sarcastic (positive)
>question
>>318052546
What about Point Lookout and Dragonborn?
how do you guys make these threads every single day for months? i dont understand it one bit.
>>318052986
Maybe Todd will see one of these threads and change his ways.
>>318052953
That bethesda is way better with small worldmap.
Why do AAA titles insist on bringing stupid shit like dialogue wheels? Why not put the whole 2 lines of the dialogue there?
>>318052546
Except morrowind dialogue was literally wikipedia.
>>318052904
That kid was saying stuff about installing all the games.
t.slav
>>318053321
wow really? jesus fuck, 4 dialogues for stating the same thing? fuck you bethesda.
>>318051789
We all know who is behind it.
>>318053321
>Yes, im here to help. What's the problem?
>Yes, im here to help. What's going on?
the last game that did dialogue well was dragon age origins and that wasn't very great in itself
at least the choices weren't the same with different moods, saying the right and wrong thing made a difference in most cases if you wanted to be more favorable with the character or situation
even though fo4 is terrible in this department we must not forget when it was the worst
pic related
>>318051456
>>318051565
People like to pretend that's bad dialogue and that it shouldn't be an intelligence check, but when you meet Three Dog he's like "WIMMY WAM WAM WOZZLE I'M THE GOOD FIGHT MAN SENDING OUT MY GOOD FIGHT WAVES WITH MY MAGICAL GOOD FIGHT TOWER ALL THE CATS AND KITTIES LOVE TO HEAR."
>>318053432
>Old guy is very protective of his dynamite, which is a very dangerous explosive in untrained hands
>Wont give it to just anyone
>You show up and make a good impression on him
Seems ok dialogue to me
>>318053593
One implies the player knows there's a problem, the other implies the player is unsure.
This is very deep, nuanced writing and I'm not surprised you plebs can't appreciate it.
I just feel so jipped.
I made an unbalanced character, like I usually do. Putting most of my Special points in Charisma and Intelligence.
I saw that the world had few checks and I didn't really think about the fact that they had all been charisma up to the point. Before I got to the institute, I spent time leveling my intelligence to 10 so I could pass all intelligence checks I assumed there would be when you speak to the scientists of the institute.
To my dismay there is not one. The scientists in the institute treat me the same as if I had put nothing into intelligence at all. Like, when you have to get the Berylium core, the only option I get is to dumbfoundedly say "wut r berylium core?" and the science lady just dismisses me by saying "you wouldn't understand" and I'm just sitting there with my genius level IQ character that obviously could understand but isn't given the chance to because of bethesda's lazy game design.
Like don't you think having 10 INT should have some minor effect on how they threat you. I swear to fucking god, Every science character treats me like an idiot even though I've fucking leveled my character to do these things.
There is literally one way to play this game and that is to play it as a shooter with a story twist. Fucking hell, I'm just so disappointed.
>>318053321
And now show us what the dialogue wheel shows those options as.
>>318053708
>not enjoying that surreal feel when the camera zooms super close to an ugly NPC's face and they make exaggerated, comical expressions while you determine the best order to click the wheel in order to maximize the results
What are you, gay
>>318053579
In the lower left, you forgot to edit out the fact that you were samefagging.
>>318053725
Yeah because you need to be a genius to figure out that's what hes doing.
>>318053845
well having 10 intelligence doesn't make you a peer in the scientific community when yo're uneducated by the magnitude of say 200 years
>>318053845
Fuckeeeen' dropped.
>>318053884
>>318054061
Nice radio, Ahmed.
>>318053845
>Buying into the meme that Bethesda makes rpgs
>>318054156
Of course not, but 10 intelligence is supposed to be a genius IQ. The character was asking for clarification, which he damn well could understand if explained
>>318052316
FO4 definitely skimped on the textures
>>318051789
>shilling
When will this meme end?
>>318054061
>>318053884
I loved this.
>barge into travis' house
>rummage through his things
>even after he gains confidence he doesn't ask what the fuck you're doing to his radio
>>318053579
>so he could stop you from fixing the machine FOR THE BROTHERHOOD
as if the wastelanders will know what happened in the room. ultimately what they hear matters, so why not just let the wanderer start it and take the credit?
>>318054156
But there isn't a science skill
They rolled all the skills into the Special. I assumed this was an RPG where there was more than one way to solve puzzles and interact but not even the CHR checks do anything.
When you get to goodneighbor, you have a check to stop that guy from trying to take your money and I passed it, but hancock still fucking killed him.
Every CHR check is literally inconsequential. They all reveal something of minor importance that has no in game significance.
>>318053834
Fuck off Pete
>>318053647
kek blasting those grazies with sugar bombs
>>318054156
>when yo're uneducated by the magnitude of say 200 years
Perhaps not a peer but 10 int should give you a healthy understanding of the fundamentals of atomic reactions, beryllium's chemical mechanics, and the capacity to make some logical jumps about the process despite any new information that came out.
>>318053321
>Yes
>Yes
>Yes
>Yes
10/10 WRITING GOTY
ROLEPLAYING REDEFINED
WITCHERDRONES BTFOOO
SENPAI DESU
I don't know if I'd actually want to install this mod if I played the game. At least I'd have the illusion of choice without it.
>>318052896
>Mod replaces two-word choices with the lines of dialogue spoken when those choices are selected
>Most encounters are literally this
How could they fuck up this bad? They know replaying the game and modding it is where their "RPG"s have their value. Did they really just not give a shit? I mean, 5 years in development. Jesus fucking christ.
>mfw went endurance 9 strength 9
>absolutely 0 fucks given about intelligence or roleplay
>>318053321
>>318054751
This is embarrassing. I'm embarrassed for Bethesda.
>>318054421
>10 intelligence is supposed to be a genius IQ.
>he thinks SPECIAL is still supposed to represent your character's aptitude for role-playing purposes
>he doesn't realize SPECIAL and perks in FO4 are just a skill tree, nothing more
SPECIAL in FO4 is supposed to do nothing but unlock perks and increase some base stats.
I know it sucks, and I hate it, but SPECIAL in FO4 has nothing to do with roleplaying. The fact that the CHR1 perk that let's you "master the art of the deal" should have been a huge warning sign.
>>318053647
>Guy thinks he is a ghoul
>You use your speech skill to convince him otherwise
Why is this a problem?
>>318053593
>they spent money recording shit like this
>>318054917
5 years in developing the graphics and settlement building
5 weeks on the dialogue
>>318053321
You could just, oh I don't know, fucking walk away.
>>318055048
Thank god I didn't spend any of my money in this shit.
>>318055236
So in your opinion it is okay to have four dialogue options that are basically the same?
Fallout 4 story and quests were so bad I couldn't even finish my first playthrough and I was able to get through dragon age 2.
wake me up with Bethesda hires someone to make a better version of their game.
>>318055348
Sure, why not. I mean you probably started that quest somewhere else and your "objective" is go to talk to that person.
>>318054742
If you don't want to do it walk away you stupid fuck.
it's the current year and I still don't have a spears and god forbid a shield as a weapon
i mean come on fucking zombies and mutant animals but I have to waste bullets on them
imagine playing FO4 with the chosen undead
>blockan
>spearan
>>318051565
The character literally repeats back to the NPC what they just said. This is an Intelligence check and the NPC praises your prodigious intelligence afterwards. For repeating what he said back to him.
>>318055449
>bethdrones are this deluded
LESS IS MORE
Bethesdrones are out in force today.
>>318053321
>YES
>YES
>GETTING TIRED OF THIS SHIT YES
>OF COURSE
HATE DIALOGUE WHEEL
>>318053647
>>318053530
>>318053432
Is this a butt harmed Bethesdrone ragging on New Vegas out of spite? Are they showing superior dialogue/skill interactions? I'm not sure what their intention is.
>>318055236
That's not normal human behavior.
>>318055572
look at those stupid faces, just fuck my shit up desu iirc senpai
>>318055028
Does anyone have the one with Bert?
>>318052093
>>>When will this meme end?
>>When will this meme end?
This is a relatively new meme achstually
>>318053708
>dragon age origins
That game did not have dialogue wheel, it came with 2.
>>318055516
>Middle aged guy. Maybe you've seen him?
Just realized how retarded Bethesda is. Holy fuck
>>318055572
Good thing Bioware abandoned it forKotOR 3
This is my favorite running joke in Fallout 4. Todd was brilliant when he added this in.
My sister has been kidnapped by [Insert Permanently Hostile Group]. Will you save her for me, please?
>Of course I will mam, I'm with the minute men. (yes)
>We've got a squad in the area, I'll radio central to coordinate with them. (Yes, I'll rescue her personally)
>You want us to risk a squad for a single person? I know we're here to help, but we've only just entered the region, there's no way we can safely (within reason) conduct a mission beyond light reconnaissance and settlement protection. (Yes, I'll do get to it right away)
No, I'm afraid my hands are full with a growing super mutant issue, I'll have to attend to that before I think about doing anything else. (Yes)
>>318055426
enjoy dying in your sleep
Masterpiece.
>>318055236
and keep the quest cluttering my log until it realizes I don't want to do it?
>>318055904
>"Goodbye"
>>318051456
I don't see what's the problem here. Three Dog announces that he fights the good fights using his voice through the radio. You use your intelligence to deduce that and tell that to him.
>>318053579
>does nothing to explain the main source of dissatisfaction with the plot, the nonsensical conflict between the enclave and brotherhood when both want to purify the basin
Nice of you to make all that effort, though. I hope you got paid.
>>318055904
>HATE JOURNALS
>>318053845
The charisma checks does not influence on anything, it's just some bonus xp really.
>>318056026
>I don't see what's the problem here
well I've got some shocking news for you anon
>>318053845
It's a Bethesda RPG. That means got get to pick
>your character's name
>your character's face
>their preferred method of killing people
and nothing else. You should have known that going in.
>>318053845
You see here's the problem. You maxed out Intelligence but you forgot put points into Science.
>>318056396
Science doesn't do anything either
>>318053725
Dat slurm mckenzie doe...
>>318055452
Ohh, (You)'re right, I forgot the TRUE SPIRIT of ROLEPLAYING
>>318053845
>int 10
>"jipped"
keep on gettin' mad, bozo.
>>318056396
You only need science for weapon mods and ONCE in the game: when repairing the USS constitution.
>>318053579
Actually people are righg about about the radiation in the water that shouldn't exist
>>318056472
>The joke
>Your head
I was saying how Fallout 4 doesn't have skills ergo no speech checks that required mastery of skills
>>318055904
If Morrowind released today it would be lambasted as misogynistic garbage.
>>318055452
>>318055236
>just walk away like a beta bitch boy
>>318056482
God I loved that you could fail dialogue exchanges in 1 and 2. Did anyone else ever get themselves into that situation with the doctor in Junktown where he fucking rips one of your eyes out after you try to appease him?
>>318053367
What does that mean?
>and you can shoot them in the face if you want
Yeah, thanks for the invincible npcs todd.
>>318056874
The original games had a lot of nice little unusual things like that, stuff you might not experience until your fourth or fifth playthrough. I remember in FO2 if you got Marcus examined by some doctor or other he'd find his body filled with dozens of bullets, take them out and give them to you.
>>318051456
You can say Fallout 3 or Skyrim had varying degrees of writing, but why does the dialogue in Fallout 4 sound like it was written by a 5th grader? The characters hardly ever say more than one sentence at a time, and there's no nouns above a junior high level. Did they hire hack writers and then on top of that told them to "make sure even Stacey can understand it"?
>>318056874
>Did anyone else ever get themselves into that situation with the doctor in Junktown where he fucking rips one of your eyes out after you try to appease him?
Fuck that cunt.
>>318057265
LOWEST
COMMON
DENOMINATOR
>>318053579
>calling themselves bethesbros
>not disproving anything
>making an image of how they """""""BTFO""""""" people that like something else
jesus i kinda feel better about myself now
>>318056804
I hoped you were joking but reading your post, I didn't find anything funny, just misinformed.
>>318057265
>"make sure even Stacey can understand it"?
That's probably the intention, yes. With the LA party, the shitton of marketing, and the particular way they are marketing it, Bethesda probably really wants normalfags to latch on to this.
And they got what they wanted.
>>318055516
Well constructed argument/10
>obsidineets will NEVER. EVER. EVER. GET OVER THE FACT THAT THEIR SHITTY CRINGE NICHE RPG WAS KEKED FROM THEM BY LE EBIL NORMIES
Reminder FO4 made 750 Million within its first day or so
Remember your shitty era of vidoe games is over, forever.
>>318051565
beyond what people are already saying this line is just stupid and really fucking cheesy
>>318057637
Top tier post nigga 10/10
>>318057637
I'll bite.
>made 750 million
Didn't the article say that the game SHIPPED 750 million copies to retailers? That's a big fucking difference. One is actual profit and the other is purposely misleading to create the illusion of monetary gain.
>>318057987
Common misconception, or 9999999x more likely, assblasted (lying) damage control from obsididrones.
Bethesda gets the money once they ship to retailers.
Yes, Bethesda made 750 million $ at the time of that posting. It's probably higher now!
>>318054959
Why does everyone want to fuck him
>>318057637
10/10 post
>>318055516
>The overwhelming majority of voiced dialog would be tone neutral conversation progression. Because all interactions are cinematic and voiced, there's less room for non-conventional interactions covering controversial subjects. With changes to the skill system, all special dialog might be loaded into a Speech skill like in Skyrim.
Well that was pretty much spot-on
>>318057987
The guy you're replying to is a retard who's better off dead, but he's got a point
but at this point, the game's sold at least 12 million copies, to customers. They've definitely made big money with this. As >>318057558 said, casuals are eating this shit up like mad. Also I think you meant they made $750 million, not shipped 750 million copies. The latter's pretty fucking dumb.
>>318053579
>This, THIS and that dont make sense
>HUMANS DONT MAKE SENSE LOL TROLL U I WIN
Excellent rebuttal.
>>318056874
>playing fo1 at work
>go to khans tent early on
>"I'm an adventurer looking for a water chip"
>they all kill me
>woooooowww
>>318053579
>that samefagging
Only Bethdrones are this stupid.
>>318058124
He's a real hero and a real human bean
>>318058262
Sorry, 4chan is not a hugbox website.
Deal with it, your side lost,
>>318058627
>Sorry, 4chan is not a hugbox website.
What the fuck did I say that led you to think that I believe this site is one you fucking sandwich?
>>318058405
>how am i supposed to know they're bad guys if they don't open fire on me the second i come within range!
>>318055773
>KotOR 3
'scuse me, m8?
>>318057637
jesus christ anon
>>318058932
Dude, if you want a hugbox, maybe reddit is more to your tastes, pal..
>>318053321
my god that kek amount of OPTIONS
>>318055516
That guy needs to start a website or something.
>>318053579
>(You) and (You)
>>318057637
Your logic is flawed. People bought the game based on hype and because they liked the previous games. They had no idea how it would actually play once they got it. Fallout 5 could flop based on how bad Fallout 4 actually is for all we know. It didn't make all that money because it was good, it made all that money because people were excited.
I know you were le baiting, so congrats on baiting me.
>>318055516
That's really solid, great essay.
>>318057987
>the game SHIPPED 750 million copies to retailers
I seriously doubt that. Do you realise how large a number three quarters of a billion is?
To put it in perspective, GTA V has sold over 50 million copies and generated over $800 million in revenue.
>>318059797
>It didn't make all that money because it was good, it made all that money because people were excited.
Do you remember what a flop following hype looks like?
People like the game despite what they've removed and fucked up.
If it were as bad as you say, would we still have 400 post character threads?
and if beth lets obsidian do 4.5? /v/ will love it.
>>318053321
You are going to help them anyway. So whats the problem?
>>318055516
Saved. A gentleman and a scholar.
It's a good point, as well, and avoids the usual "RPG vs. not an RPG" argument that usually bogs these threads down. The original Fallouts were more like simulations, creating elaborate and internally-consistent settings where the player's actions generated actual consequences and where surviving was an actual challenge. The Bethesda games and sandboxes where you can "DO ANYTHING" with no consequences whatsoever.
>>318053579
How many times will you get continually BTFO before you stop posting that?
>>318056874
>playing FO2
>offered job in adult entertainment
>get AIDS and bad breath
>>318053579
I'm curious, how was the Fawkes/Charon dialogue at the end patched?
>>318060769
CONSEQUENCES
>>318051789
[INTELLIGENCE] SO YOU SHILL THE GOOD SHILL BY SHITPOSTING IN FALLOUT THREADS.
>>318060791
with a secondary option to make em do it. It was basically an option to do what players complained about you being able not to do.
You could also make blonde powerarmor chick do it.
>>318055236
You have to turn 360 degrees first.
>>318060791
In 3? They tell you something along the lines of "Normally I would say this is your destiny and I can't take your place in it, but what the hell, sure, I'll go turn it on buddy." Basically they made more shitty writing that lambasted their previous shitty writing.
>>318051456
> People think that Bethesda is bad at writing because of this
> Not realising that 3Dog is vain, egotistical and that repeating what he just said is the smartest thing to do so he helps you
KEK
>>318055516
If only all /v/ posts were like this
>>318060791
>how was the Fawkes/Charon dialogue at the end patched?
I dont remember precisely what Charon or Fawkes says, but they get their asses in the chamber where thye belong and the game gives you some nonsense about how they were the real hero when it really mattered.
>>318058553
WHAT
>>318060949
>>318061063
Huh. And then you could start Broken Steel anyway, I'm guessing?
>>318059797
>It didn't make all that money because it was good, it made all that money because people were excited.
So pretty much like 99% of games except some obscure weeb pedo shit. No matter how bad it is, it's still the best game of 2015.
>>318061243
Yup.
>>318061243
Yes, of course that happens even if you go with the original (non)choice of you turning it on yourself. Same thing happens no matter who switches the purifier on, flash of light, then you wake up in the citadel a few days/weeks later, and the Broken Steel content starts.
>>318060348
why even have the 4 options then by your logic?
if you're going to help them anyway why not just have the character say yes and that's it?
>>318052279
Name a character better than Vivec.(Not C0DA Vivec actual Vivec)
Ask "Imperial or Stormcloak ?" and see if you get any responses.
Obsidian gets a fair amount of credit for their writing and have done a DLC focused on an NPC and so has Bethesda.
So who was better Serana or "Da Bears Da Bulls" guy?
So tell me again how Bethesda is bad at writing good characters and stories.
>>318061563
>even if you don't go into the purifier you end up in the brotherhood infirmary
wtf matey
>>318055452
Or just shut down the game.
pffft choices, who cares about that shit when you can shoot supermutants with a TEDDY BEAR, A TEDDY BEAR LMAO XD
>>318061784
I honestly think that most people who disliked Ulysses' character did so because they didn't have the attention span to read through all of his dialogue.
Yes, there's a lot of it. That's because he's the only person you speak to throughout the DLC.
>>318061784
>Imperial or Stormcloak
The only reason there's a discussion is being they're the same faction but with different colours, and autistic people like to argue.
>>318061784
MY ANCESTORS ARE SMILING ABOVE ME CAN U SAY THE SAME?!
>>318061784
>So who was better Serana or "Da Bears Da Bulls" guy?
Ulysses was memorable and tragic.
I forgot who Serana was until a stealth waifu thread yesterday.
>>318061784
Not the guy.
I'm not going to lie, I liked Serana. But she did feel a bit cold, even after you helped her in every possible way.
What I do prefer from Ulysses over Serana is that he has a shitload of backstory, BEFORE even seeing him in person. Every DLC has his mark. You never hear about Serana before her appearance.
And it's not because Beth manages to write one mildy interesting companion that suddenly they're good, just like one antagonist with an imperfect writing doesn't make Obsidian terrible.
Overrall, Obsidian wrote loads of memorable characters while Beth wrote few.
Now for you, I dare you to find a Beth character that was written as well as Randall Clark, in the same situation, without avtually interavting with him, nor seeing him in action.
>>318053845
Same, thought I'd try out some of the usually underdeveloped aspects of the game to see how viable they were. Luck, intelligence, and charisma. Turns out all 3 are completely useless. Not a single talent in any of the trees worth using and they never come in handy throughout the game.
>>318062250
I love this picture.
>>318062375
>Not a single talent in any of the trees worth using and they never come in handy throughout the game.
Gun nut, local leader, and science
>>318061784
Serana embodies shitty bethesda design. I wanted to take revenge on vampires for killing akmost everyone in Riverwood, but Serana is made essential and unkillable.
So my magic power hungry vampire hating Altmer racist has to enjoy the company of a Joss Whedon waifu for the dlc.
Bravo.
>>318062578
I can see why that would be a problem. I liked Serana because she would comment on the weather or the cave or building we entered and she was quite altruistic and upstanding for a vampire.
The essentials tag really does take away any possibility of roleplaying, though.
>>318062570
Not a single talent that isn't a "crafting" talent.
Crafting is a blight on the game. It takes 30 levels worth of skills to max crafting.
>>318061784
You cannot really compare Morrowind-era story choices to modern ones. Morrowind gave you the freedom to fail or end the game's story as you liked.
>>318062363
What I liked about Ulysses was that you could fucking kill him.
Serana was basically the reason I stopped playing Skyrim. I took on the DLC with my lawful-neutral stealth elf archer, intending to play it as a ruthless destroyer of vampires who would show no mercy to the dark beings and those that consorted with them.
Instead, one hour into the DLC this vampire bint shows up and NOT ONLY can I not fucking kill her no matter how I try but I am FORCED to work with her. And trust her. And go along with what she tells me even though the main Dawnguard guy fucking lambasts me for it!
>>318053579
>>318051789
>You and You
This is the Bethesda-Audience. There are the people that get bumbefuddled when you say Bethesda games have shit writing.
Congrats you are as retarded as Biodrones.
>>318062731
Tedious slogging through lists of hundreds of items with no search function and an interface made for a console controller doesn't help either.
>>318062731
It was frustrating having my build in mind, getting in game, then realizing I'd need to be level 41 before I could realize it.
>>318062808
>I like watching films more than reading books
This triggers me the most.
>>318055904
That's my favorite quote from morrowind.
>>318063173
>just read the Lord of the Rings books
This triggers me to. I love the movies but holy shit the books really bring you in.
>>318062363
The survivalist was one of the best examples of NV storytelling.
I am hard pressed to find a Bethesda equivalent.
I now realise that Fallout: NV was an enchantment cruelly designed to taunt me.
>>318062808
>hello
Im severely triggered by people who talk like this
>>318062787
>but I am FORCED to work with her. And trust her. And go along with what she tells me even though the main Dawnguard guy fucking lambasts me for it!
Words can't express how much I fucking hate this in video games.
Getting railroaded into doing dumb shit? Annoying, but tolerable.
Getting railroaded into doing dumb shit and then being bitched out for it? That's just infuriating.
It's why I can't understand why people liked Tela Vasir "calling you out" in ME2, despite the fact that being called out for your actions only works when you actually had a fucking choice in the matter.
>>318063570
Look at what you will never get again, anon.until you play Wasteland 2
>>318062363
Garys da best written character ever!
>>318051456
>>318051789
When they fire whoever writes this drivel.
>>318062363
>. But she did feel a bit cold, even after you helped her in every possible way.
well you did just slaughter her family and kin. shes also a vampire. kek
>>318063648
nobody likes them irl either, don't worry.
>>318063173
Film can be a superior audiovisual experience. The best film is better than the best book
>>318062808
Is "cinematic" gaming the worst thing to happen to this hobby?
>>318062731
>Crafting
>When it's basically an upgrade
You don't make your own weapon, apaet from few cases. You take a weapon qnd make it better at what it does.
It's such an insult.
>>318063649
because the point of Vasir's speech wasn't to make you go "oh shit I'm an asshole" it was to make you go "oh shit she was just like me".
it was to warm you up forLiara becoming the new SB since at that point you're basically filling Vasir's position, it's about making you realize this isn't about good and evil, there are always shades of grey and you have to fight people who are just as convinced as you that you're doing the right thing.
Basically instead of trying making you feel bad because you did something you were railroaded into doing, Bioware points out that your enemy was railroaded into doing something terrible as well. And that's really the best way to handle railroading because if you can't give the player much agency, you can at least make the player look good in comparison to the other characters. It's just an illusion but at least they were fucking trying. Bethesda stopped trying a long time ago.
>>318064142
here's your reply.
>>318056874
If you spend the night at the Junktown hotel, when you wake up a guy will be holding a hooker hostage in the next room.
Among other things, you can talk him out of it, offer him money, or sneak up behind him and knock him out with a physical attack.
If you talk him out of it, you have to pass three speech checks in three different conversations. If you save in between the conversations, you automatically fail every time you reload your save, and you have to either kill him or revert to an old save. A nasty, but fun little trick.
>>318063649
People liked Vasir? I had to look her up to remember her.
Nothing she said stuck with me, and I don't remember her ever "calling me out." I played Paragon though, so maybe her speech doesn't hold any water if you're a good guy.
>>318064142
nah
HATE
>>318062375
Nerd Rage lets you cheese through a lot of stuff you normally wouldn't be able to, and all the crit skills in the luck tree completely trivialize the game. Grim Reaper's Sprint isn't as broken as it was in 3 but it's still nice to have.
Charisma isn't that great unless you're playing with settlements, though.
>>318051789
when they will stop shity writing
f4 for example
cooke and some other guys wife have an afair
the guy asks me to take care of cooke
I talk to cooke and he agrees to stop fucking the guys wife. further into the dialogue he asks me about a deal in which he wants to bust some chem dealers.
not even an option to say no other than to kill cooke
so I decide to just end the dialogue by leaving, but the quest doesn't update, and I can't talk with Pembroke so I do this chem deal.
For some reason I can take Pembroke with me to this quest. So we go to the shootout and kill the guys, but Cooke dies during the shooting. I end the quest at pembroke that Cooke will make no problems anymore, but that I had to kill him.
This whole questline was a new level of dumb.
[Intelligence 2/6] Why do you guys not like Fallout 4, there's no issue as long as it's fun.
>>318064642
Only thing Bioware is trying to do, is to pander as much as they can to sjw faggots and people with made up sexuality.
>>318065313
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l82rkfeWlFU
>>318054917
>replaying the game
Really? I have the feeling that lots of people play their Skyrims with exactly one character.
>>318056874
That was fucking amazing.
>>318065829
And lots of people played F1 and 2 with multiple characters, because becoming master of everything was literally impossible.
Compare to Fallout 3 where 10 in all stats and 100 in all skills is as easy as "Pick Gifted, take 8 Intelligence, take Comprehension early on, and don't pick up any SPECIAL bobbleheads until you get Almost Perfect"
Then compare to NV where the number of skill books is DRASTICALLY reduced and there aren't any fucking bobbleheads.
>>318051789
Hi Todd. You suck at making games.
>>318066374
of course, wasteland jesus has to be perfect.
>>318065458
[Charisma 8/8] It just works.
>>318066374
There were implants instead of bobbleheads
>>318051789
>>318051847
>>318052093
>>318055708
>>318062573
HATE MEMES
>>318066772
HATE MEMES
Support memes
What memes?
Not my meme
>>318067007
>Not my meme
It ain't meme?
>>318066753
You're right, but both F1 and F2 had surgeries and the memory modules.
It's the skill bobbleheads + the ridiculous amount of books and fucking Almost Perfect (instant 9 in all stats) that I'm ragging on.
>>318066374
It was even easier to max out all skills in NV since the level cap was 50.
>>318065497
Jesus, Bethesda even managed to make classic Enclave armor look like shit. People like to praise them for the PA mechanics in this game but that's pointless when they all look like dogshit.
>>318058932
>being this retarded
actually getting mad over bait
>>318051789
[Intelligence] So you're saying that this ride is endless.
>>318067135
What I don't get is why the Enclave PA even is in the game
I thought FO3 had said that the Eastern Enclave's PA wasn't very advanced, which is why you get Enclave PA in FO3...
But now all of a sudden Western Enclave's PA is in the East now? How the fuck did it get there?
Also yeah, does look quite bad unless you install a mod for its textures
>>318065571
Aside from including one or two token gay characters they really don't do this. And it took a LOT of begging before they decided to introduce gays.
>>318065829
I made a new character for every guild and group in Skyrim except for a few I felt overlapped well enough. It's literally the only way I could enjoy the game because the idea that your character should excel at everything in an RPG even when you aren't statted into it is beyond retarded.
>>318051789
[PER 8] You're an upset bethesdrone, eh?
People who thinking that any videogame have good writing need to seriously read a book.
>>318063784
>>318053321
So that retarded dialogue is even used for more than one npc?
>>318068262
Its there because they wanted PA variety but were to lazy to come up with an own,new design.
>>318051456
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT1ircqQklo
>>318068448
you sound like you need to play good games
>>318068817
But why would they put that Enclave PA in, instead of adding in Hellfire armour or something like that instead?
also, yeah how the hell could their team not come up with anything new? I mean, the Raider PA is there, but looks like little more than metal armour. And then the T-60 is literally just the fucking T-45 with different spaulders.
>>318068683
It's like that for the Minuteman quests, yes.
>>318068448
>Silent Hill 2
>Freelancer
>MGSV
>Okami
>TLoU
the list goes on..
>>318069010
>>318069474
t. sophomore in highschool who sparknotes novels for English class to make time to read warcraft fanfiction
>>318069623
>le edgy liburl arts student
>>318069623
Someone's upset that their Medieval Lit degree is useless.
>>318057637
maybe we can begin again
>>318062573
>>318066772
>>318067007
>>318051789
>When will this meme end?
what did he mean by this?
>>318069771
Actually it got me hired as a writer for Bethesda.
>>318058124
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
In other words he's non-shit character in Bethesda game
>>318068448
Comparing video games to the medium of literature is like comparing a hand job to intercourse
Yeah one is obviously better than the other, but it requires more work and sometimes you just want to get your dick pulled until you spurt a hot load.
>>318057987
Shipped 12 millions. Not sold.
>>318058553
Can't wait for someone to mod the game so you can do cool shit too instead of just having your companions do everything cool.
>>318068262
It's in the game because YOU CAN DO ANYTHING. Fuck internal consistency, think of all the kids who would be crying and complaining if the power armor THEY want to wear isn't in the game.
>>318069390
Inventing new stuff takes time, time is money.
So they save money by simply using preexisting designs.
>>318068262
Enclave's PA in Fallout 3 is painted black Mid-West Brotherhood PA from Fallout Tactics
>>318059980
>750 million copies
I think he meant $750 million worth of copies. Or just repeating what he heard, and not gave it single thought
>>318056992
The writing wasn't good, it was just wordy. Bethesda never had good writers.
>>318071205
is this the edgiest armor in the series?
>>318059797
>Fallout 5 could flop based on how bad Fallout 4 actually is for all we know.
It won't, because people are satisfied despite how cynical /v/ is. It's clear you think /v/'s popular opinion mirrors everyone else.
>>318070382
So you admit that video games don't have legitimately well written stories that compares to other mediums.
>>318071859
nah, that would be raider "armors" from Fallout 3
>>318072716
That's not even edgy, that's just full retard.
>>318072690
they don't need to, because they have more way to narrate than just by writing.
Game that tries to sell story by predending to be book, or a movie, can only be expected to fall short, when compared to actual book or a movie.
>>318073187
One of them has hands around his waist. Because, you know, raiders are absolute madmen I guess
>>318072716
The third one looks kinda cool
>>318053845
Sounds like you should have maxed out intelligence in real life and not expected that much out of a Bethesda game.
>>318062808
I'm one of those retards. I hate reading and I hate strategic gameplay of anykind. But it pisses me off that these hypocrites would take games meant for other people and ruin them for their own selfish desires. And when I need to I'm willing to read subtitles so I can enjoy foreign action movies that I bet these retards are too lazy to do.
>>318074786
>foreign action movies
You talking about The Raid?
>>318067045
He is no fortunate meme.
>>318054065
I could never be bothered with that bullshit system so I just bribed everyone
>>318075352
The 9th company is an excellent film available on youtube with subtitles, I highly recommend it. It was the first time I watched a movie in a language I definitely didn't know, but it was so good that the subtitles were enough, since the acring was good.
>>318052647
It's actually
>yes (yes)
>no (yes)
>sarcastic (yes)
>what? (yes)
>>318067045
>it aint meme?
>it aint meme starts playing
>>318063173
>le books are a good medium
Why don't you go back to /lit/ with all the other actual fedora tippers and blather on and on about muh philosophies and religion?
>>318067135
enclave armor as always looked like shit
>>318077090
I must admit I prefer the look they gave it to FO4. But that's the only positive point about their design of PO in f4. The t60 is an insult, especially when you learn that it was the very first asset designed back in 2008.
7 years for a t-45 with bigger pauldrons.
>>318075352
Thats a really good movie but I was really thinking of Red Cliff
>>318057637
Not really, if anything, we're getting more and more niche rpg projects like the Shadowrun games by HBS.
The only difference is that we get to play good games, while you drown in a sea of shit.
:^
>>318077434
What is it about?
I guess another film you could count (sort of) is letters from Iwo Jima. What a movie.
>>318063784
Wow, look at all those choices.
>>318077835
Best RPG of the decade, at LEAST!
>>318052546
The fact is that Skyrim's story could have been actually pretty cool if they let Kirkbride write the whole thing. Instead we got DUDE FANTASY DRAGONS LMAO.
>>318062051
>autism
>>318062236
he said at me
>>318055773
is tortantic good now?
>>318079742
No. Let me rephrase that. HELL FUCKING NO.
That drunk hack needs to stay far the fuck away from ES and stop shitting it with his fanfiction.
>>318080640
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Some of the class stories (Agent mainly) aren't terrible, and if you really like star wars you probably won't completely hate the 1-50 leveling for that reason. Everything else about the game is complete garbage though.
>>318051565
If you click that he says "you really ARE as smart as your dad!" because you understood what he said. Your dad is a genius super scientist and you're a brat who couldn't tell Butch to go fuck himself.
>>318055904
That's fucking hilarious
Shame everything after was so watered down and generic we never got crazy stuff like this
>>318054156
>well having 10 intelligence doesn't make you a peer in the scientific community when yo're uneducated by the magnitude of say 200 years
>by the magnitude of 200 years
>200 years spent trying to reconstruct society by using pre-existing technology created in the Pre-War era
>You, who was born and raised in the pre-war era, wouldn't understand this technology
The only thing you wouldn't know about is the shit the Enclave were working on, and even then with 10 Intelligence and a couple days in the Wasteland you'd figure it out pretty fast.
Seems like you need to get your intelligence up, anon.
The dialogue wheel isn't even the worst problem. It's the horrible linear design of the quests.
>>318051456
>put a live grenade in his pocket
>everyone just assumes it was me despite no evidence and no witnesses
>>318055516
And he got all of this right before the game was out and had more substantial proof. Bethesda never changes. Why put in effort where you don't have to? You're going to make a big profit.
>>318080825
How is HE shitting it when what he writes is gr8 shit?
>>318066753
Cost money and you could only implant an amount based on your endurance, endurance implant did not increase this.
I believe there are 9 implants total.
7 for Special and 2 for misc things.
I think one was over time heal or something.
>>318081191
God damn it I love this.
>>318077090
How can one man be this objectively wrong, shit taste confirmed.
>>318082215
And a few in OWB but they were really uninteresting. More damages to Cazadors, and less radiation from eating I think.
The two misc implanhs in vanilla were DT augmentation and slow hp regen yes.Go play NV Anon, it's nice.
>>318080640
The stories are pretty good. It's not the best MMO in terms of gameplay, but it's more than tolerable if you like the lore and the storylines. They've fixed it up a LOT since launch.
>>318053708
I actually liked the way Oblivion did it. The higher your speech skill the easier it was to raise NPC's disposition towards you, then you could talk them into doing anything instead of having to do them favors or bribe them. I dunno, thought it was cool.
>>318061784
Ulysses was a much better character if you actually pay attention to what he says and listen to his tapes
He's literally gone insane after refusing to let go of The Divide. This has been described so many times I don't know why people keep up droning on with "muh bear muh bull shit character"
>>318065497
>>318067135
I can't wrap my head around how in the world they fucked up making Remnant Power Armour. Like, seriously, why did they have to redesign it? It looks so bad. Fucking hell.
Are there any mods I should install before I play the first Fallout? I got the GOG version
>>318077835
>>318078586
The dialogue choices in >>318063784 aren't in response to "will you help us?", it's in response to "did ___ send you?". After you pick one of those options, they tell you what their problem is and then you get another dialogue choice that lets you say you choose not to help if you want.
>Female protagonist in Fallout 4 starts out as a regular 50's style housewife with no knowledge of weaponry
>When she gets out of the vault she's good at crafting and modifying and you can also play the game as a butch lesbian with Piper, Curie and Cait as your harem.
>>318083629
fixt has lots of bugfixes that are nice, and you can remove the time limit, but I would suggest just going with the bugfixes
>>318083870
>with no knowledge of weaponry
She's married to an ex-serviceman. He probably taught her how to handle and care for a gun. That's a pretty common things for military dudes to do with their wives.
>>318082361
Mr.Fantastic is pure gold.
Same goes for Raul and No-bark
I don't think I have ever played game with dialogues as amusing as New Vegas had
>>318061948
He's insane. He's like a super mutant or a nightkin.
https://youtu.be/XAx_2Fo1qyQ
take a smeeelll brotha
>>318084523
Then you've never played VtM:Bloodlines.
>>318083870
I think that she's a veteran as well as a former law student. Might be wrong.
>>318081191
>New Vegas adds genuinely funny comedy characters like Fantastic
>They actually have a purpose and add something to the story since it displays how incompetent the NCR are
Why can't Bethesda just do this instead of creating themeparks
>>318085039
>she's a veteran
She probably just lived/worked on base.
But you are right about the law school diploma.
>played NV maybe two dozen times over the years
>drop some runs, finish some runs
>finally doing Quarry Junction north of Sloan
>killing the Deathclaws
>see an unexplored location marker
>eventually get around to it
>it's some Great Khans
>they tell me about a drug deal
>go talk to the foreman guy at Sloan
>he sends me to the NCR camp outside of Primm
>some NPC guy I've never seen before is in a tent I always loot
>get the shit
>Chomps has a black daughter
>get Great Khan fame
Too little too late. Each Faction needs about 5 more quests each.
>>318085039
Doesn't explain the lesbian part, though.
>>318083870
Why does Bethesda hate blank slate roleplaying so much
>>318084870
i fucking remember this mod
top kek
>>318061467
>muh weeb bogeyman
>no cat companion
>no wild cat yao guai equivalents
dammit
>>318085671
Well, you certainly don't have to be straight to have a kid, but you're probably straight if you love your husband and had sex with him and had a kid. Or at least, bi. Isn't everybody in all Bethesda games a bisexual?
>>318085671
>implying a woman who is married to a man could never experience same-sex attraction
>>318085671
That's just Bethesda's shitty writing. Thinking that a widow would want to suddenly change her sexuality after losing her husband in less than a month (in her active timespan).
>>318085671
I can't follow you here.
What does that have anything to do with her being lesbian? A lawyer/veteran's wife can't be lesbian/bisexual?
>>318085671
The game pretty much makes you bi if you go after someone of the same sex but lesbians have been known to take on beards the same as gay men, or to pursue heterosexual relationships and childbirth due to repression. And if you really want to push the 1950s values bullshit than the latter is entirely plausible.
>>318085958
Same goes for the widower.
>>318085958
>>318086163
Well, you know, when you really want to have sex...
>>318085958
>change her sexuality
Nigga you don't just flip flop back and forth when the mood strikes you. Just RP a bisexual if you wanna make sweet yuri.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_i6Ewj1cLk
XD
>>318086252
Then you jerk off into a old radioactive sock.
>>318082678
>And a few in OWB but they were really uninteresting
I don't believe those impacted the total implant number.
>>318084393
Kek
>>318085958
>Bisexuals don't exist.
But the other point is valid. I love how the husband/wife is never mentioned even in passing.
>>318087081
It light be completely false, I read that on /v/ but apparently,if you keep your husband/wife's pod closed, not leaving it open, you can have a synth with her personnality.
Again, that's probably just bollocks. Can someone confirm?
I've never given a shit about the fallout series before.
I played Fallout 1 last week and now I play Fallout 2 and I'm having a blast. Looking forward to New Vegas.
But one thing bugs me with the newer Fallout titles.
Whats the point of VATS? In 1 and 2 it makes perfect sense. But in an fps you can aim manually, why do you need an aimbot?
From a design perspective it makes zero sense to me.
>>318067007
>>318067045
>>318075760
>>318076137
Please never do this again
>>318087618
Don't denounce the meme chain
>>318087491
I think the original idea was that since they're switching to real time, FPS, they wanted to leave something in to make it still similar to the turn based RPGs of old, so they put in VATS for anyone that wanted to play it as turned base.
In practice, this was very stupid, but now that it's in, they can't really take it out in a sequel.
>>318087469
this
>>318084026
Yeah, if I remember correctly fixt has some major bullshit like giving you a flamer if you tag big guns.
>>318080825
TES would be horribly bland without Kirkbride's writing.
>>318087491
What they needed was the ability to actually damage their eyes, groin and whatever in 3/NV/4. Admittedly I haven't played 4 yet so maybe you can. It sucks that they can still run decently fast if their legs are broken, can still use weapons if their arms are broken, still have perfect accuracy if their head is broken.
>>318088172
Even if you only install the bugfixes?
>>318088835
Why were people throwing unfired bullets at her house?
>>318070554
You can do some cool shit, but it's a % chance based on your Strength with power attacks or VATS
What the fuck happened?
>>318089865
Graphics became to important.
>>318089865
They thought you could immerse yourself more with less options...for some reason.
>>318084870
>ase fist me
>>318051456
It is intellegence that lets you tell people what they want to hear.
>>318061784
Michael Kirkbride wrote Morrowind and is no longer at Bethesda
That's like claiming Avellone's writing as proof that Bethesda has good writing
>>318089865
>>318089992
Graphics are not the only problem.
I mean, many times I've seen graphics as a flaw in F4, which it is, but it's not what brought such a casualisation.
I'll look like a pompous twat, but people are dumb. You saw those screenshots, where people complain about reading, abot having to think. Obviously it's not everyone, but it's still a tendency.
Everything has to be dumbed down. All the time.
Someone posted an article explaing to European how games for Americans should be made,with basically defeat being absent, everything given, fast, all the time.
It's not only the US, it's many other things as well. Democratisation of video games in general, they have to appeal to a wider market, therefore making it casual, and polished. They think they can't be trash, cynical, or that kind of things.
Overall, it's basically because they have a bigger public, people are cretins, and Bethesda is shit.
>>318051456
H-here I go!
Todd worked really hard on the dialogue, and Fallout needs to keep up with the times. If the dialogue wheel is what Todd thinks is best, I will trust him on it.
>>318053321
HATE TOOTH FAIRIES
>>318053579
It seems like one person typed some of that and was so proud of it he made this. The confidence is just ridiculous for the pettiness of the argument.
>>318090615
But that's clearly wrong. Games with smarter writing have gotten popular all the time - maybe not to the mark of a million dollar seller, but even New Vegas made a solid profit and was a critical success despite Bethesda fucking Obsidian pay-wise.
Bethesda are just dogshit.
>>318051789
This is actually one of the most reddit posts I've seen on this board. And that's saying something.
>>318090536
Then what's the point of charisma?
>>318090717
FIX THE BUGS TODD
>>318090995
>CHA mattering in Bethesda games
Lel
>>318091014
SEVEN YEARS
>>318052546
>Oblivion's side quests
The guy who wrote the Dark Brotherhood was the lead writer on Fallout 3 and 4.
>>318091134
>go into build mode
>grab object so it loses hitbox
>walk away
>cancel building so object snaps back to place
Not even remotely one of the bad glitches
>>318091219
Dark Brotherhood was good because the quests had original design, not the edgy writing.
>>318090939
But there's the problem anon.
I'm not saying they don't get made anymore. But you said it yourself, they're not very often huge hits.
They're still liked by the community, but the people with the money prefer sage investements of blockbusters hyped to death that sell because of marketing.
The good games are the ones you hear about from mouth to ear.
I've picked a few games based on /v/ advices, when they were liked a lot, and I've never been unhappy with my purchases.
On the other hand, I can name games that I bought because of the hype, before I discovered /v/ and most of them I don't touch anymore.
Think of it like movies. Transformers make a shitload of money, therefore it's made again and again and again. Doesn't mean the films are good.
So I really enjoyed New Vegas and I read that it was partly created by some of the folks from Black Isle. With this in mind, do you reckon I'd enjoy the first two Fallout games? I just found out they're on GoG and I'm really tempted.
Also, is 2 meant to be better than 1?
>>318091058
It's actually one of the better stats in FO4.
>>318091450
The quest design was also his doing.
>>318091350
>don't fix it
>work around it
typical bethesda mindset. no wonder they released the game so quickly after announcement.
>>318051456
It's not intelligent because he made an obvious observation, it's intelligent because he was appealing to 3dog's narcissism and talking like he was already on board with the fight.
>>318091487
Do you know why they stopped making the Police Academy movies? Because they no longer made a profit at the box office. That's the way things are beginning to go, loved franchises are squeezed for every penny then abandoned by the side of the road.
>>318091134
Early adopters get to play the game first, latecomers get the game patched. That way everyone who buys the game gets something positive, and every Bethesda customer gets treated fairly.
>>318091497
yes. i played 2 first.
>>318091497
The first two Fallouts are very solid. 2 is very referential and jokey but still quite solid, and a CHA playthrough is very possible on both
>>318091516
>lets you fuck the already terrible AI by pointing guns
Ten outta fucking ten use of the conversation skill Todd
>mfw I trolled you
>>318091596
There's no "fix" for that issue, he got stuck between two objects. What the fuck do you propose they do to "fix" that?
>>318091631
That should be a Charisma/Speech check then. The INT check makes no sense.
>>318086403
this is some borderlands tier humor
>>318091774
>play on survival
>get combat rifle
>they die in on full vats barrage
>>318091830
there is always a way to fix anything
>>318091663
I die a little when I see a reboot of a franchise or a sequel, decades after the last one, because the good ones pf either pf these categories can probably be counted on 2 hands while the terrible ones that made a franchise plunge into oblivion number in the hundreds.
>>318091497
They are vastly different in terms of gameplay. If you don't mind isometric turn based games, you'll like the first two.
On GoG, first two Fallout games are £13.
On Steam, they are £3.98 because of the Autumn sale.
>>318092197
>Autumn
What?
>>318091689
Are you paid for this?
>>318092027
No, there's not a way to "fix" the player jamming themselves between objects. It's not even a fucking glitch, it's the player putting themselves into a spot they shouldn't be in.
Guess they should put invisible walls everywhere to stop people from being retarded, huh?
Or they could, you know, fix the actual bugs and programming errors.
Ulfric is Bethseda's best written character since Morrowind, and that's really saying something
>>318092423
>it's the consumer's fault
>>318092110
I think a lot of reboots of films from >10 years ago, the execs are banking on people reacting to nostalgia.
>Hey remember that film from your childhood? It's back but shiny!
But now I feel like a complete hypocrite because I'm hyped as fuck for the new Star Wars film. But then that's not really a reboot plus I have a man-crush for Andy Serkis doing mo-cap work.
>>318092312
Ja, see pic.
>fail all the random speech checks to get access to the house in main quest
>pickpocket mayor twatsville
>apparently he keeps a key to an abandoned house he doesn't care about on him at all times
>but nothing else actually significant
Nice game
Also out of nowhere the game started lagging like shit today and just always does after a minute of playing no matter what. Do they ever test their releases or are they just taking the good goy community for granted since they will buy anything and fix it anyway?
>implying I paid for this garbage
>>318092610
Woops! That other one was cropped poorly. This one.
>>318092496
Fuck no
>>318055236
Autism
>>318054751
This is exactly why Bethesda didn't make this choices like this to begin with. They were hiding their fucking laziness.
>>318092610
The best example of a GOOD sequel long after you would expect it is Fury Road, but then again, it was the same director, with 5 years of pre-production, a shitload of knowledge, and a monumental gamble because of the investment it was.
I'm sort of hyped for SW, but I'm already deeing the effect of Disney on it, namely the constant milking. My fb feed has a shitload of SW products on it. Dreamworks, and Spielberg by extension, said they probably won't work with Disney anymore because of the incessant milking of whatever franchise they get their hands on.
>>318092813
You mean Kellog's house? I don't remember there being any speech checks
On an unrelated note, all the terrible game ruining bugs I've heard of seem to be on PC, I've put a couple dozen hours in on PS4 and never seen any of this shit.
Confirmed for designed for consoles
>>318077090
confirmed for only playing 3
>>318055516
"If I listen closely, I can here my genes crying"
Idk I thought that line was funny.
>>318092525
That's literally not a bug and you're pretending be to retarded
>unintended result of player action = glitch
Lol idiot
Why is Todd so cute, bros?
Let Japan make the next Fallout/Fallout spinoff. I want to see what they do with it. Also lolis.
>>318092525
>consumer buys a car
>locks himself in the trunk
>somehow the car company's fault
>>318093223
>Soldier, you are still out of uniform!
I hope that in a few years that there is a mod that makes the game a whole new experience. New NPCs, new locations, items, armor, leveling, new story and sidequests, voiced characters, more choices and consequences. Basically just scrapping most, or even all of what Bethesda has done, using the world, and making it something way better that actually feels like a fucking Fallout game.
>>318060896
This would have been so easy to avoid if they'd just made it so you had to press A on somebody to bring up the dialogue interface.
>>318083642
>it's in response to "did ___ send you?"
That doesn't explain why you can't lie and say you're not involved.
>>318093223
The enclave armor in new vegas is what made me want to play the old ones
That shit is aesthetic as fuck and a whole new level compared to bethesda ones
>>318093481
Well, they told me I could do anything. I didn't know that included breaking their game.
>>318093207
It's because on PS4 you're so used to games dropping to 14 fps from their usual 20 that you don't notice these things.
>>318093394
>>318093481
>clearly able to fit between there
>get stuck anyways
>>318093350
It's a retarded use of Perception. Telling dumb jokes is the place for Charisma. It also doesn't help that the way you answer the questions determines the stat bonuses from the end of the quest - everything sounds like a stupid throwaway.
Perception answer should have been something like "My vision's a bit blurry and I've got a killer headache"
>>318093639
>aesthetic as fuck
terms cringey redditards use for $600
>>318093481
It's more like
>consumer buys a car
>opens the door
>clearly seems to fit through the door
>tries to get in the car
>gets stuck on invisible walls that make the opening smaller than it appears
>somehow the consumer's fault
>>318093515
>I AM NOT A SIR, I WORK FOR A LIVING YOU MO-RON
>>318093481
>consumer buys a car
>takes a seat in the back
>cant move
y-you're not supposed to sit in the back!
If they give you the means to jump between a desk and a chair they sure as hell should give you the means to move away from there
>>318093207
I haven't encountered anything game breaking on PC either, they're basically THE SAME shit, and some people face said shit regardless of platform, except for the frame drops
>>318092985
Who then?
>>318093860
I swear to god, this guy is in my top of the best voice actors.
>>318093694
Yeah framerate is the same thing as the game completely breaking and being unplayable haha :^)
>>318093696
Then you'd throw a shitfit over the model clipping
>>318093193
>The best example of a GOOD sequel long after you would expect it is Fury Road,
You're my kinda person, bud.
I haven't actually seen much content for the new Star Wars (assuming you're talking about promotional material and not toys/models etc.). I actually thought the new film is pretty reserved/cryptic with regards to the trailers that have been released. There's been only 3 or 4 trailers and unless you go through them with a fine tooth comb it doesn't give too much away.
If you were talking more about the amount of toys that Disney will shove down your throat then I'm with you on that point. But I'm not sure if that's a Disney thing or just an extension of Lucas' business model of the prequels i.e. make a toy out of everything and sell, sell, *sell*.
>>318093207
I'm playing on PS4 just now and I've got an exclusion zone on my map where I can't go without the game crashing. Annoyingly this area needs to be explored for:
1. The main quest
2. Railroad
3. BOS
4. Random side quest
Super annoying but strangely didn't affect a new character I made.
>>318051789
The "meme" started when all their competent writers left Bethesda.
It will continue until they get competent writers again.
>>318093780
>aesthetic is reddit now
Damn you bethesda fangirls are the most board ruining ''fanbase'' around
>>318093639
I wonder, why in the world did bethesda changed the design of the armor back in F3? Was it to change the lore to try make it their own?
>>318065497
Looks like a metal mantis with down syndrome
>>318093979
Game breaking bugs happen on all platforms son, and yes single digit FPS is bad no matter HOW hard you try to deny it
>>318093742
true. It would've been a totally appropriate answer though if at first was a Perception check and then a Charisma/speech check. or vice versa. I think that would've been the best compromise.
Whatever, I honestly thought FO3's dialogue wasn't too bad with a couple of exceptions.
The terminal logs however were phenomenally done. Great lore behind a lot of those random buildings a lot of people pass over.
I've never seen another game put so much time and effort into random little shit. I love that.
For instance the Nuka Cola Plant? I mean really. So minor and yet so different from anything we've ever seen.
Not tryna be Bethesda defense force since I haven't even played 4 but...
/v/ never gives credit where credit is due.
>>318094074
>Bethesda is holding the lore hostage
Stop this autism.
The model changed because they are trying to make 20 year old concepts fit modern models and styles.
Whether they do it well or not is a matter of opinion.
>>318094048
Stop being gay "as fuck". You're dumb "as fuck". You're mad "as fuck" and you need to stop replying.
>>318093949
None, but Ulfric was a retard
>>318094074
Because they're stupid and thought they can do better
>>318093989
Nah I was talking about toys and the likes.
I mean, it got to a point where Spielberg criticized them, it has to be something.
I'll see for the movies. From what I heard, they have planned something like 6 lovies without the trilogy. That is milking to its maximum.
>>318094257
>I broke the beth fangirl
kek
>>318094234
4 is the similar. There's nice lore if you read the terminal logs. But the speaking dialog is terribly limited.
>>318094257
It's always nice seeing the drones slowly breaking down and sputtering like a car without gas
>>318092496
No. If anyone comes close to a best character since Morrowind it's Cait because Bethesda writer accidentaly a character development into the script.
Nothing amazing, but better than anything from Skyrim, FO3, and Oblivion.
>>318094349
Oh yeah man absolutely. I think they've seen what Marvel is doing with the MCU i.e. planning the films a decade in advance.
>>318094074
More likely the case of Bethesda not knowing what the fuck they were doing.
>>318094249
>because they are trying to make 20 year old concepts fit modern models and styles
Fallout 3 was released in 2008, 10 years after 2. With how Obsidian made the Enclave armor look, they could have done just as well.
>>318094432
ya...Bethesda unfortunately is stubborn as fuck. I thought they would have taken the best ideas from New Vegas and implemented them in some way.
Nope.
If I was Todd I would have totally made the team in charge of the terminal logs do a lot of the quest dialogues too, but that's just me.
It's a little upsetting that the same exact problems in FO3 exist in 4 but I'll keep my chin up. FO3 after all is still one of my favorite games
>>318094193
>single digit FPS
On PS4 I only get frame drops when the lighting system has to interact with water, and even when it's shitting itself pretty hard it never drops to literal single digits
With the PC requirements being so ridiculously high, it's pretty clear the PC optimization is awful
>>318094234
The tiny areas in FO3 with terminal logs contribute nothing to the actual overall world though
sigh...Can you people even imagine just HOW MUCH work it would take to have dialogue for everything you want in from this game???
>Walk up to NPC
>Help me this robot is doing something and I need help
>[Science Lie] It looks like its flibigiroplator has malfunctioned I could fix it for you for a nice chunk of caps something really bad could happen if you don't get tihs taken care of.
>[Science neutral] Something wrong with the flibigiroplator I can fix this for a few caps.
>[Science good] Oh *mild chuckle* it's just the flibigiroplator, it being broken isn't going to cause any trouble. I can fix it though *wacks robot like fonzie* good as new
>[Barter Neutral] Don't know what's wrong with it, but I'll buy it from you for a nice chunk of caps, maybe I could get it fixed and you could get a new one.
>[Barter Good] I'm buddies with a mechanic a fast travels way from here I could take it over to him so he could fix it for you.
>[Barter Lie] Oh I've seen this before I can sell you a higgleisanator and that'll fix it up, just remember to leave it off for a few hours after putting it in.
>[Low int] ROBO CSMASH *fixes robot*
>Robot?
>Don't know what's wrong but I could help.
>It's a piece of junk.
>Fuck you.
>>318092423
>it's the player putting themselves into a spot they shouldn't be in.
>a spot they shouldn't be in
Back in my days, we called that a glitch.
>>318094249
There is a significant difference between modernizing a design, and changing it completely to end up with something new.
>>318094553
That poem critically hit me in nostalgia
>>318094637
But they do. It's not like these places are isolated. Nuka Cola plant is one in a million.
You can't deny that FO 3 has great roam factor to it. You can't help but stumble along all these silly little places which contribute a lot to the overall atmosphere.
>>318094692
>Making as many options is possible, so you should have no options at all!
>>318094692
NV managed to have damn near every response people would want, in one year, with significant cut content
>>318094657
>variation of no
None of them even outright say no, they're all just "not right now" in different words.
>>318091219
Lost a lot of weight, good on him. But I guarantee you he's still the most mentally psychotic employee to step foot in the gaming industry.
>>318053579
>(you) and (you)
Is this satire?
>>318094637
>PC optimzation is awful
It is but I'm still running the game smoother than you, have easier access to the console and the only 'broken' quest is the one with Ness which happens on ALL platforms if you clear the area and move away from her before turning in
In fact the simple fact that you would claim bugs happening on a version of the game but not on another proves you are on scale of delusions way too high even by 4chan standards
Enjoy the game though, I sure as shit am
>>318094728
Well back in your day people didn't know what a glitch was
A glitch and a bug are terms for various programming errors. Those hitboxes and character movements aren't misprogrammed.
>>318094692
And here you came up with a good concept in few minutes.
>>318094803
Pnce you've seen an area in FO3, you've seen it. With FO1/2/NV the different areas lead to a wider variety of experiences that have actual repercussions in the game world.
>>318095094
HATE PIPER
>>318094945
All I said was I've never seen/heard of the scale of glitches from PC on console.
And by the way, PS4 can use console commands with a USB keyboard
>>318072716
That armor look way better in the concept art
I actually like the game....
>>318094985
>Those hitboxes and character movements aren't misprogrammed
Clearly they are if the character managed to get into somewhere they shouldn't be able to get into.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXypRUaLX90&t=1m28s
>It's not a bug it wasn't misprogrammed!
>>318095094
>"Local man says no."
Well, that would be a pretty big change of pace for him.
>>318095417
>he does it anyway
>>318095228
>All I said was I've never seen/heard of the scale of glitches from PC on console.
Ok, if you don't see the other planets in our solar system it does not mean they aren't there, all versions of the game are 1:1 identical, even the loading system is hardcoded to framerate in this regard and the game loads faster if you unlock it
>And by the way, PS4 can use console commands with a USB keyboard
Maybe you should read the posts you reply to, I didn't deny you can access the console, I just said its easier to do so on PC
>>318051789
[Intelligence] So you post the Shit Post with your memes on 4chan?
>>318095324
I do too but I love pointing out its shortcomings and it doesn't bother me in the slightest if people call it shit, because I'm sane
>>318095417
Top kek
>>318095479
TOPPEST KEK
>>318094803
>You can't help but stumble along all these silly little places which contribute a lot to the overall atmosphere
But that's literally my biggest complaint of Fallout 3. "Silly little places" with silly atmosphere and goofy shit that have nothing to do with the main plot do contribute to building the game's overall atmosphere: disconnected and disjointed goofy shit.
Which is why people laugh at its main plot because it wants to be serious and ground in something tragic or heroic or sad or a bunch of other "heavy" emotions which, in conjunction with the main plot being written pretty poorly, does not gel with an atmosphere that has been built up by "silly little places."
>>318095324
You'll like Fallout 4 until you start a second character
>>318095373
That's not what misprogrammed means, moron.
The hitbox and model are where they are supposed to be and doing the things they are supposed to do.
If you jam yourself between rocks in Skyrim, yes it sucks a bit, but it's literally not a glitch/bug/programming error. There's no "fix" because nothing is "broken". The player just caused something shitty to happen.
It's like the bucket exploit in Skyrim, that's not a glitch it's an unintended consequence of the programming working correctly.
>>318069474
>Freelancer
>Good writing
well bro that baited me darn well
>>318095665
Not only are Bethesda worse at making games than Obsidian, but they're even bigger jerks and worse at handling fan feedback.
>>318095665
Pete Hines could take a hint from this guy.
>>318095491
>easier on PC
It's done the exact same way
>>318094803
>You can't deny that FO 3 has great roam factor to it
Except it doesn't. Because it's fucking impossible to roam the capital wasteland with all those insurmountable heaps of rubble everywhere.
>>318062808
>Too much stuff to read
>It's 2015
10 nukes won't be enough.
>>318095636
They really are silly little palces, its basically a themepark, some people really love them and hate New Vegas' more grounded, sensible and thought out design.
I personally like both though, loved the NV experience and enjoy the casual super lite RPG gameplay of FO4, but fo3 had such shit shooting mechanics I couldn't really enjoy going around doing stupid shit
>>318069968
underrated post
>>318077579
What is it like to being always spoonfed ?
Also it is Dynasty Warriors I: The film
>>318095783
>literal PR guy
>implying he'd turn down the chance at free advertising
>shitters still trying to shitpost
>shitposting a game they are actively playing
>shitting all over it
>still playing it
>say they hate it
>Still playing it
>>318095839
Yeah because people go out of their way to get a kb specifically for their PS4
>>318072716
>not posting warhead tits with shark faces
>>318095872
This caught me by surprise, holy shit
>>318095969
I literally dropped Fallout 4 a few days ago aftet having started 6 different characters, playing a few hours on each, and realizing there's no fucking variety.
>>318095969
I do it for you and the other anons that can't handle banter :3
>>318054959
>>318055478
Fuck, you're making me want to play New Vegas again.
I'm especially sad with how hard the melee sucks in this game unless you use VATS only.
>>318095969
>"How can you say it's bad if you haven't played it?"
>"How can you say it's bad if you're playing it?"
>>318096009
>people don't have keyboards for their computers that they can move to their PS4
>quote: PC player
What the fuck are you even? Is this that "everyone who has a computer uses it for gaming" delusion?
>>318096091
Fallout 4 sucks for replaying or having multiple characters, all the fun is in enjoying the themeparks in one single go and maxing out shit on your character
At most you could save and reload to go through all of the faction endings
It's kinda depressing when it's all laid bare
>Your words have meaning!
>'yes' or 3 variants of 'no'
>>318095969
I sinked in about 20 hours and stopped.
I'll come back to it once Creation Kit gets released and modders unfuck the game.
>>318096182
Go for it anon.
Get a few dozens of mods and you're good to go.
>>318096182
Melee is alright if you take shitloads of Buffjet
>>318061784
>using old Bethesda to defend new Bethesda
>>318096237
>themepark
I've seen this word thrown around this thread and I've no idea what it means. Is it similar to saying CoD games are just fancy corridor shooters?
>>318096226
Nope, is this that ''bethesda games aren't inherently inferior on consoles'' delusion?
And how is it not less easy to take your KB from your PC and slam it into your PS4 every time you want to use the console????? Not to mention a lot of people still use ps2 and not USB, especially the ones that don't have a capable PC for their multiplats
>>318096182
Get Bounty Hunter mod, all 3 parts, it's great shit.
>>318095908
I don't like how when New Vegas means "more sensible and thought out design" it means less to ultimately explore and do.
Major major landmarks in that game were wholly unimpressive and drab. There are no wide ranges of environments there with a few exceptions. I liked FO3s world more, as much as it didn't "make sense". Give me stuff to do, it's a fucking video game. Go nuts I don't care. I love wacky wasteland shit personally.
>>318095636
The main story certainly is the weak point of the game. But FO3 is not about the main questline. It's about sidequests and characters. The sidequests really make the game. So much to do and explore.
>stop the superhero and villains from having comic book battles
>retrieve the declaration of independence from a bunch of fucking protectrons who think they're the founding fathers
>kill a man who literally TURNED INTO A FUCKING TREE to end his misery, or make his influence spread even more.
And those are just off the top of my head.
Yes, it doesn't contribute to the overall main plot. but like I said that's not the fucking point of doing this stuff.
>>318061784
bethesda's writers were better ten years ago, morrowind had its share of good writing
>imperial vs stormcloak
people liked it because people like team mentality, it's why sports are popular. it's cheap at best.
>da bears da bulls guy
this is nearly mspaint comic level of oversimplification and misrepresentation, eat shit
>>318053708
THAT'S REALLY DON'T MAKE ME YOU'RE NOT NOW I GET BLOW AWAY YEAH I HOW DOES NOT NOW DON'T TALK SUCH ALRIGHT YOU WIN I CAN'T PLEASE
>>318094074
It had to do with the lore (I think), The Eastern Enclave was less advanced and din't have access to places like Navarro and Oil Rig where FO2's enclave armour would have been developed, so they made a shittier version of PA which is the one in FO3
What I don't get is FO2 Enclave PA suddenly showing up in FO4, and he FO3 PA just dissappearing (I thought the Hellfire armour looked nice)
>>318096586
>>stop the superhero and villains from having comic book battles
>>retrieve the declaration of independence from a bunch of fucking protectrons who think they're the founding fathers
>>kill a man who literally TURNED INTO A FUCKING TREE to end his misery, or make his influence spread even more.
Thanks for highlighting how fucking moronic Fallout 3 writing is
>>318096435
Kinda
First let me say I like the game, themepark basically, in a non-shitpost way, refers to a open world with a bunch of shit and content thrown around randomly without much thought or meaning put into it, content that is basically there for the sake of being there,
>>318096586
Ooh, ooh, next mention the one where you have the choice to kill retards who are living next to a nuke or not!
>>318096672
>eastern enclave
Literally not a thing, it was the survivors of the FO2 Enclave who fled the Oil Rig to get to DC because Bethesda
>>318096586
>it means less to ultimately explore and do.
Not really, and FO3s map was way too crowded by comparison
To each to their own though, but new vegas exploration was a wonderful experience for me personally
>>318096719
I like the game too, it's alright... not great but not bad either. But now I get what you're talking about, cheers!
>>318096586
You're entitled to your opinion and liking wacky wasteland shit, but you just need to understand that saying FO3's world is better, or going so far as to even imply that it's better written, because it does everything possible to make its world not cohesive or consistent, is objectively wrong.
>>318096435
The meaning varies a little depending on whether you're talking about single-player or MMO RPGs, but the general idea is that it's a bunch of separate areas with no interaction between them and no long-term consequences for anything the player does. If you go to every area in the theme park, there's no reason to go through again, because you've seen everything there is to see. It's a way of saying the game is shallow.
>>318096704
It's a video game you idiot.
Stop taking it so seriously, or don't play fallout. Those are your fucking options.
Fallout has never catered to people who have such a big stick up their ass they can't imagine anything that fits outside of their limited bubble of reality.
>>318052904
I will go install now all games
>>318096879
new vegas maps were a bit too big some times. Not just the wasteland but even the insides of buildings.
it sometimes became a bit of a w holding simulator.
>>318096910
Glad to help out anon, enjoy
>>318097003
There's a third option, which is to play the Fallout games that aren't a mishmash of stupid shit.
>>318096219
>how can you say its bad when you keep going back to it and keep discussing the game apparently not worth your time
>how can you keep going on the board to shitpost a franchise that hasnt catered to you for 15 years
>thinking you matter
>thinking you are target audience ever again
>thinking you arent cancer
>>318096439
>points out terrible PC optimization
>somehow thinks I'm defending this shitpiece
>>318097003
Fallout 3 makes no attempt to have the game world work in any way. Just because you have ADHD doesn't make it an acceptable design.
>>318096974
New Vegas is better in some ways.
3 is better in others. It's not black and white.
But personally I'd rather have a non cohesive world with plenty of shit in it, rather than one boring environment that makes perfect sense but isn't creative or fun.
Not accusing New Vegas of being the latter...but let's be real
Primm was a fucking joke
And it was a huge landmark
Nothing cool or even relevant happens there.
Same can almost be said for New Vegas itself! if it wasn't for the actual casino tribes which liven it up.
New Vegas overall just has less of these moments.
It does a lot of other things better though I will give it that. Main story is leagues ahead
>>318097162
>how can people who don't like X talk about X when X is hugely popular?
>criticism is bad!
Jesus fucking Christ
>>318057637
>>318057987
>these two posts
these are the best posts I've seen on this entire website for years
>>318096984
Yeah, I think this is probably one of the more disappointing things I found with Fallout 4. In New Vegas, I felt doing certain things in certain locations actively changed the world around me. Be it Helios One or the Goodsprings battle.
I don't think I've come across one in F4 (maybe the ending would count if you're desparate?)
>>318097313
New Vegas is boring in the same way an actual city is boring compared to Disneyland
>>318097057
Yes and I liked that, it had pace, it reminded me a lot of the world of Gothic 2, granted not as well designed
By comparison I like the one in fo4 too, but it gets kinda repetitive, there's barely any new PC. I would have liked FO3 too but like I said before the shooting just didn't click for me. Might try tales of two wastelands or w/e that mod is called though
>>318097187
>>318097148
>hurrr give me a post apocalyptic wasteland where everything is interrelated in some way even though that doesn't make sense for alot of these societies which are super isolationist.
The only mistake with the world is its timeline.
>>318097456
If only Primm was an actual city though.
Talk about "breaking immersion
literally all the residents live in the casino even after you clear out the powder gangers and whatnot.
>>318097313
Vaults were inherently superior in NV though, and the only interesting landmarks in both games were ruined, but FO3s was the worst because instead of a loading screen you had the horrible oblivion-esque tunnels
>>318096814
.......
......
...R-really...?
Holy shit Bethesda really DOES suck at writing
>>318097682
>NV
>Social experiment to see how long the dwellers would sacrifice someone to save their own skins
>F3
>A vault full of Gary clones, wacky huh?!
>>318097583
>After you clear out
Because they don't have a sheriff yet, dumbshit. It's not safe for them to return to their house.
>>318097682
The tunnels were slightly agitating but whatever. I never got super stuck on them. It was a nice concept and execution overall wasn't abysmal.
Personally I thought the vaults in both games were great.
I liked New Vegas's idea of actually having a livable vault though full of criminals.
>>318097583
The citizens of Primm return to their homes after you find them a new Sheriff.
>>318051789
>Bethesda is bad at writing
>When will this meme end?
>a bugthesda meme ending
LOOK AT HIM, LOOK AT HIM AND LAUGH!
>>318097826
You can excuse it however you like. It was poorly done.
I remember even after getting the sheriff there was 0 change in AI behavior too.
Primm was literally a place you were never supposed to come back to, it was developed that way.
>>318097834
>I never got super stuck on them.
You didn't? I was having a hard time enjoying the game because of the gunplay but when I realized I could explore D.C I got so fucking excited I kept moving on.
So fucking disappointed when I found out the actual truth, the tunnels were worse than oblivion
>>318097583
>>hurrr give me a post apocalyptic wasteland where everything is interrelated in some way even though that doesn't make sense for alot of these societies which are super isolationist.
That's literally wrong. FO3 baby confirmed
>>318097824
It was supposed to be filled with the best musician in the world or whatever, but them some fucktard named Gary managed to create shitloads of clones of himself and apparently they don't need food and they don't age.
Impressive stuff eh.
>>318097948
I don't remember that, maybe I missed it.
>>318097993
The signs were annoying desu. I just wish there was a freaking minimap underground and it would've been fine.
I liked the tunnels they were just a hassle sometimes
>>318098013
The one good thing that came out of that was the prank call some guy made using a Gary soundboard.
>>318097583
I didn't say everything had to be related. Fallout 2 did that, but also had a lot of stupid shit thrown in. it can be done well, as New Vegas did, but Fallout 1 did fine without it.
I don't like when the only way to have fun with an RPG is to not think about anything in it. Fallout 3 is nothing but one inane scenario after another, and when I give even the slightest bit of thought to any of it, it all falls apart.
>>318098013
No, you're combining two different Vaults. There was the Gary vault, and then another vault was full of world famous musicians that they made go kill crazy by pumping in white noise.
>>318098003
In DC they're all extremely xenophobic.
>>318068448
>>318072690
>being a pretentious artfag
>>318098090
I wish they weren't there at all, would have loved D.C that way
Either way its ok if you like them, but I despised that shit, more so because of the way it fractured the actual city
>>318094074
I think they changed it because it was hard to get the hump to look right in 3D.
>>318097313
It's my own personal bias here, but I don't think 3 is better in a single way than NV. I can see how its wacky, disjointed situations might appeal to people, and maybe they like the game more because they have those kinds of sensibilities, but I also believe that "because I like it" does not make writing better. It just doesn't. Internal consistency and cohesive world building is objectively better writing than wacky FUN things.
You can throw around words like "boring," but I'll just call them "interesting." I care more about Primm's re-establishing of law, and they way it goes about doing it creating a hubbub and the people of the world reacting to it based on their views concerning the NCR's aggressive expansionism or maybe frontier justice, than the stupid Antagonizer and Mechanizer, or whatever their names are, fighting over literally nothing and no one caring about what they're even doing.
>>318098204
Is that why they let strangers walk into town and do whatever you want without saying anything about it or trying to stop you?
>>318098204
No they aren't. Megaton and Rivet City have connections, Canterbury sends traders to everyone, Paradise Falls sells accross the Capital, Grayditch was allowing new settlers.
Only Lamplight, the most fucking retarded settlement, and Republic of Dave were actively xenophobic.
Even the fucking headcanon people come up with to explain away FO3's idiocy doesn't work.
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