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>The dream is over
Hopefully the blatant shilling will as well
>>318050237
>RPG from SJWs
yeah, the dream better be over
>>318050237
Another way that they fucked up is that they picked WAY too close to the holiday season for this shit.
Most of the successful kickstarters happen some time around spring, maybe stretching into Summer.
Fall is considered big-AAA titles territory for a reason. I get they were playing it close and never intended to have to go this long, but they're going to lose out now that the option is between supporting a game that's 2-3 years off or getting the latest ones out recently/getting cheap games thanks to sales.Good riddance.
feels gud man
>>318050237
>pls give another extension
lmao
>>318050957
I don't know who is more delusional: the guy who made that post or the one he is replying to.
It always amazes me how far in mediocrity a person can fall when they spend too much time giving a crap about e-drama bullshit.
>>318050237
>8 days to go
They still have a chance.
>>318050237
>Indivisible will never get funded
Feels good man
>$1million+ for a fucking 2D indie game
what planet are they on
why didn't they just ask for 5k like undertale did
>inplying it can't easily make 300k in the last two days
the delusion is strong
>sjw
but they don't play games, if it was 1.5 milllion towards a vaporware feminist critic videos it would've done better
>>318050957
I like how their avatar is of a white character.
>>318051432
The Bathtub model doesn't really apply to extensions right?
I told you this would happen.
Kike Z doesn't deserve that kind of money.
Reminder that Dragon's Crown was made on a 1 million USD budget.
And it also had big titties and amazon asses.
So what happens to backer money when it doesn't get funded? Does it all go back to the backers or does it just disappear into the ether?
>>318051432
They totally will, but only through the same whales dumping more money into it and/or Lab Zero itself stealthly donating to itself at the last minute to cash in the money.
The important lesson though is that people don't want this game and they should save everyone's money and time and go back to the planning room.
>>318051637
Now that I think about it...
If/when Indivisible fails, how long do you think it'll take before we'll get butthurt game journalism with titles like
>YOU LET INDIVISIBLE DIE
>Gamers kill most diverse game yet
Might be worth it for that alone.
>>318050237
> another shill thread
>>318051707
What the fuck do you think happens, you imbecile?
>Gets funded
>Comes out in 3 years
>Pirate it and just check the porn.
>>318051705
Do note that as a dream project from the creators, some assets were being worked on years before dragons crown officially began development.
>>318051705
Dragon's Crown artstyle is complete garbage, but so is Indivisible's.
I guess you're right.
>>318050237
this happens when you support sjws
>>318051707
The money doesn't actually get taken unless the project is funded.
>>318051707
>Does it all go back to the backers
This.
>>318050237
>from the creators of skullgirls
that's why its failing. Its like if someone was bragging they made Mace.
>>318051707
If it fails the money is refunded to every backer but LZ won't let that happen. They'll just pump the rest since Indiegogo has no clause to prevent this glaring conflict of interest.
>>318051545
it won't
>>318051849
You can kill yourself.
>>318051849
You're just jealous that you can't draw :^)
>>318051849
WHOA calm that bait down
>>318051502
Because MikeZ thinks he's a real developer and wanted to hire out for animation work which is incredibly expensive.
>>318051792
>sjw game fails to hit budget
>blame 'gamers'
but i thought 'gamers' were dead from all these gaming outlets
Stop viralling on /v/ you shill, no one cares.
>>318050237
Do you think MikeZ will follow through his words and disband LabZero when Indivisible not getting funded or will he make bullshit excuses?
>>318051498
Planet California
>>318050237
Just stop posting this shit already, it isn't funny
>Indivadables doesn't get funded
>ZONE takes the animators in
>smut out the wazoo since extra help means the releases aren't years apart anymore
My loins are girded.
>Over a million dollars for a 2D sidescroller
No?
I can't wait to make collages from posts in the archive of sjws insisting it will be funded. The libtard tears will be so sweet I'm gonna get diabetes.
>>318052119
They have 30 employees and no revenue. He's fucked and will have to. Best bet is they dump the remaining amount themselves however.
why do people browse neogaf?
> Estimated delivery: January 2018
>>318052119
A good amount of the artists need new jobs if it fails so even if does I'm not surprised if it would be completely different, probably no more mechafetus.
>>318050237
Honestly, they should have made Guardian Heroes or Code of Princess instead of shit clone of Valkyrie Profile.
Even the lore is straight copying VP and made it boring.
>>318052324
Because it's an important gaming forum where many figures of the industry go to discuss, such as Mike Zaimont and Alex Ahad :^)
Game was boring as shit anyway, going by the prototype.
I won't care if it doesn't get funded.
>>318050237
>1.5kk for "indie-2d-platformer-rpg"
>from fighting creator
kek
>>318051498
>>318052237
Is $3,5 Millions, they just get 2 millions from the publisheri am pretty sure MikeZ shat on other kickstarters for this very reason
>>318052779
It's ok, these threads will be dead in a week.
>>318050957
>Hrist avatar
>is retarded
>>318050957
#notyourshield
>>318050237
I'm not against this game being made, but I really hope they don't make it.
Just because the shills were so fucking obnoxious, that they fucking killed all the hype for this game.
>>318050957
It never ceases to amaze how they think GG is the fucking KKK.
This is amazing, this game doesn't deserve to succeed and it won't, the system works.
>>318050237
It looked too tumblr-ish for people to take seriously.
>>318051991
This
Thank fucking God.
The shilling was getting bad, and Shantae and the like didn't need the whore-out.
Why all the hate for lab zero? I thought most people liked skullgirls. And skullgirls doesn't seem like sjw stuff at all?
-CAUTION-
Shameless Assisted Shilling Thread in progress.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>318053192
undertale got funded
>implying their publisher won't swoop in at the last minute to "anonymously donate" the rest of the money
>>318050237
where will that 1.3 million go?
It was always too much. The only games that easily get that are established franchises and creators going we do it again. They needed to downscale with the option that given a stretch goal is reached they can upscale, crowdfunding should never be for big games as the riskier set up (in funding and less controlled creation) has often gone wrong
We have no idea if they can make a good RPG or not and while the demo is fine it is proven they always discourage sales. If it were a fighting game or even a straight beat'em up people would likely be more confident
Also despite putting some money in, the world just isn't as interesting to me as skullgirls and the designs aren't as good
>>318051705
Why can you people never quote this right. Their first OVER 1 million and the game has been messed around with since the dreamcast so who knows the real total for the project as a whole
>>318053091
It's like fundamental christians, echo chamber where people repeat lies to each other and convince each other that theyre right and everyone else is evil and whatever.
Absolutely disgusting. Just because they didnt make 1000 out of a million doesnt mean they cant release the game theyre stealing people's fucking money
I can't wait till this is over so you faggots can stop making threads about it every day
>>318053297
fuck off tripfagtotally right though
>>318053459
>>318053397
It doesn't go anywhere you mongoloids, if it doesn't hit the goal they get NOTHING
>>318053401
If it was over 2 million they'd say "over 2 million". If it's "over 1 million" we can safely assume it's between 1-2 million, which is not in the ream of 1.5 million like Ineverfundedit's budget.
>>318053459
>theyre stealing people's fucking money
They set it so if they don't reach the goal people get the money back you tard.
>>318053567
I didnt know thats why I asked.
>Game for SJW fails
Funny thing is SJW play nothing but the most popular games and don't away from the big franchises, unless it's free
>>318053328
Never played it. Think it's shit. But it's just a Mother wannabe.
>>318053091
>>318050957
You know, going by the shitposting on 4chan, youd' be hard pressed to say they're wrong. Granted, it IS mostly shitposting, but it's all over the place enough for people to think it's not ironic.
>>318050237
>1.5 million to make this game
am I missing something here? Based on the demo it looked and played like an university student final project.
Is Ahad a born again SJW? Why is there no lewd in this game?
>>318053575
It was their first over 1 million, that was the point of the original tweet. They hadn't spent more than that before, that was the point not crossed yet
You really don't know anything do you? https://www.vg247.com/2013/07/25/dragons-crown-is-vanillawares-most-expensive-game-to-date/
>>318051561
>but they don't play games
They do donate though.
Funfact: Even if they beg to some money whale like notch for the money needed to fund it, they already killed themselves by adding tons of "guest characters" and randomly pulling shitty characters} designs when they desesperately needed to reach the extension.
They wont be able to cover all the promised shit and most of the characters will be completely uninteresting, boring and badly written as they were made out of a moment of panic.
It will be delightful to see them fail to get funded, but i also think it will be delightful if they reach it and then see their puny project collapse over itself.
>>318053770
Aren't university vidya projects pretty lame unless it's the Vancouver film school?
>>318053831
Patreon doesn't require you to follow through with your pledge, so nah
SO so damn tired of MRAs making this board their pissing pot. Seriously, if you have a problem with progressive games and people against sexism in games, you're pretty damn pathetic. Get over yourselves, ok? Maybe after you do you'd, you know, have a chance to get a girlfriend? For once? Just putting that out there for you ""nice guys""!
>>318051705
I wonder if having the CEO/Creator of a game also being the lead artist helps cut back costs. Either way, Kamitani is great.
>>318054001
agreed
>>318053741
Gamergate hasn't been on 4chan for over a year, the few times it is it's when someone takes some bait. Retard.
>>318054001
Fuck off to /b/ or /pol/ you retarded identity politician. This is a video games thread. Look at the OP and piss off.
>>318054093
>>318054001
Fuck off, tumblr.
Indivisble isn't even that progressive or radical.
>>318051792
It will be like poetry anon.
They fail to get their game made.
We got DOAX3 to blow up.
The salt must flow.
>>318054001
I have no problem with people making progressive games but since I don't backslash their type of games but they do, I feel obliged to retaliate. Nothing personnel
>>318054176
Just because the activity was moved elsewhere doesn't mean there isn't a large amount of people here to support it, and it doesn't mean that dumb Gaffers won't look here, see the latest "Hurr Shitskin Gaem" posts and take them at face value.
>>318050957
I'm so glad this game is going to fail. The best thing is that Lab Zero already has their built-in excuse so they don't have to own up to the fact they're retards! Just like Skullgirls!
post yfw you didn't fund this shit
>>318054001
Fuck off, it's /v/ we've never said that nor care. We care about games not pandering bullshit. You were the ones who made it a problem, we didn't. We never changed, the game industry did. Enjoy you motherfuckers.
God I hope this tanks.
indivisible is dogshit and LZ deserves to be broken up
>we need hundreds of thousands of dollars to animate cartoon fighting game characters guise
>now we've been told we need ONE POINT FIVE MIRRION BUX to make our prand new game about some indian cunt running around!
>look at all of our coooool environments!
>but when you get into combat IT BECOMES A FOUR BUTTON MINDLESS SHITSHOW THAT ANY DECENT TITLE NOWADAYS HAS THE ABILITY AND RIGHT TO ABSOLUTELY SCOFF AT AND SHIT UPON
this game is pathetic
>>318054393
>>318050237
this sickens me. That money + the 2 mill they are sitting on is well enough to make the game.
But oh well. Feels good not to have given those greedy motherfuckers any money. Real fucking good.
>>318054393
First and only game I funded was the hat in time thing back in early 2013 and that shit is still not out. Glad I just poured 5 bucks and not 15. Never trusting indies ever again
They have to earn $43,125 every day for the next 8 days to make the funding goal. That doesn't seem likely unless someone rich dumps a few hundred thousand into the project.
>>318054450
>LE FIVE MIRRON BUX
1.5 million is almost nothing in terms of game development.
>>318054393
people should never give any money to kickstart, investor for a game that comes out after 2-4 years without any perks of being investor
>>318053453
are you talking about Gamergate or Neogaf?
Both are echo chambers you idiot.
>Let's alienate our entire fanbase
>"Our old game wasn't a success just because we had >one and waifu pandering characters"
>Make new quicktime-event based game
>Fuck people aren't funding it, QUICK get as many popular characters from other games into ours!
>WHY IS IT TANKING GUYS!?
>>318054578
lmao, the other sjw approved crapfest.
I'm actually kind of sad because it'll be a waste of good music.
And yes, 1.5 million is an adequate budget for a full game. Maybe if they weren't American or if the game had a shorter development time, they could ask for less, but I guess they don't want to compromise.
>>318054794
Zone*
>>318052013
>>318052040
>>318052026
>>318052085
>>318053403
yup. we have heavily triggered animeNEETs
>>318054649
Not him, but isn't the publisher dumping in another 1.5 if they reach their campaign goal? 3 million dollars is a pretty good budget for an indie game, considering games like The Witcher 2 and Gears of War costed about 10M.
when's barkley 2
>>318054649
AAA game development.
>>318054749
explain how a pro-consumer grassroots movement can be an echo chamber
>>318053841
Go back to draw thread.
I'm not sure who is worse
The shills or the people sperging out like made and acting like crowdfunding rape their mom
>>318051487
Dat dynein though.
>>318054725
The worst thing about this campaign is that there is an actual investor behind it who will enjoy the perks of being an investor with your money.
Lab Zero disclosed this thinking that the publisher matching 2 million would be a good thing but all this means is we're saving them 1.5
This is really fucked up.
>>318050237
What kind of game development you want, senpai.
>>318054832
It looked pretty fun at first since there hasn't been a decent collectathon in years but now yookalaylee is on the works so this game's pointless at this point.
Also I haven't followed it in a while now. Didn't know it was infested by SJW. Character is just a white kid tho
>>318054832
What's wrong with that game? Haven't followed?
>>318055009
because it hurts my feelings. and it's 2015, we seriously need to start focusing on the right to be comfortable.
Part of me wants this game to succeed because I know there are landwhale femenazis here who spent 500-2000 euro for this game for no other reason than it having a tumblr female character, even though it would need 60 days to fund it which proves no one would give a shit about it even if it was made.
(Also inb4 someone buttblasted enough tries to imply I can't afford 3 times that.)
>>318050237
That much of the gray bar is roughly 400k?
>>318055175
>>318055185
it has a female protag and villain. auto-cancer
>>318050237
>42 days to get 1150k
>8 days to get almost half of that amount
J U S T
U
S
T
>yfw you don't care if it passes or not
>either path will lead to glorious butthurt and shitposting
>>318055165
exactly, I just dont get why kickstarter works at all, why does anyone buy a product that hasnt been made yet and wont be made for years and might suck.
its bizarre
This is a big example of why Quality > Quantity.
The demo should have focused on two or three highly tuned characters and the party should have been ten highly tuned and unique characters.
So many of the designs are generic and bland. They're either skeletons of what makes a good character that lack enough fleshing out or just plain boring "This character = This Race"
When all that sticks out of a character is their ethnicity, you've failed as a character designer.
>>318055519
Cause many products wouldn't be made because of it and if they could find find funding a lot of control and rights would be handed over
Games like Shovel Knight just straight up wouldn't have happened
>>318055346
It's 52 days
They originally had 40 days and then they got an extension for 20 days
Indiegogo writes everything above 30 days as 1 month ago
I would have funded it if they would have gone more for action adventure combat. This wannabe Valkyrie Profile is no good.
My hope is for them to fail at this and then go on to make SkülGrils 2.
>>318055593
Oddly enough that their last game did it right.
>>318050957
for a moment i tought
>wait, didn't dragona die?
>>318055769
I remember how eveyone was saying that it would get funded because of the day extension. I wonder how they feel now.
It will most likely get funded. It is too close to the full amount to not reach it in the last 48 hours where these products get their highest donations.
Also Lime is a Grade A retard. He is one of the biggest SJWs on GAF, and always shitposting to bait people into attacking him, which he then goes crying to mods to get you banned. Absolutely delusional.
I'm a long time GAF member, him and a small group of SJWs are super extreme in their beliefs and since GAF is a safe haven for these autists ever since the whole Gamergate bullshit movement, we got a by-product of these retards.
Almost everyone here ignoring the fact that the game itself looks like absolute trash.
>>318055949
Gamergate had literally zero effect on the fact that NeoGaf is full of shit people. The new hip trend of SJW on NeoGaf is in part the fault of Gamergate, like it makes a difference though.
>>318056138
thats literally the least important factor
>>318055949
Indie dev here, I'm...really tired of all of this.
>>318055949
>I'm a long time GAF member
Saw that first and completely disregarded your shitpost.
#GAMERGATE WIN AGAINS, BABY
WHO ELSE IS HARASSING WOMEN AND SETTING HOMOLESS MINORITIES ON FIRE THIS WEEKEND, MY FELLOW DUDEBROS
>>318052593
I know this is sarcasm but actually, there is no real reason to go to NeoGAF anymore since no real news gets broken there. Most devs of consequence have long since left because of how insanely cancerous the userbase there is and the fact there are better avenues to communicate with gamers in general.
Used to be that Kotaku and most of the shittiest game blogs were basically and RSS feed of NeoGAF but nothing of note happens there now.
>>318056209
No GG did give people reason to radicalise in the other way and gain more support for why
Much easier to do when you have a active punching bag spamming anime faces
>>318056138
This was mentioned in pretty much every thread up until now
No one just gives a shit anymore
>>318056138
I played the beta/alpha it as pretty fun
>>318056295
It is truly a terrible fate to be without homo
>>318056295
I don't think I'll be doing that, actually.
>>318056138
I have seen plenty of porn games that are 100 times more competently made.
>>318054393
In 8 days nobody will have
They should've promised a wiiU port to get the funding they need
Then cancel the wiiU port
>>318054725
>people should never give any money to kickstart, investor for a game that comes out after 2-4 years without any perks of being investor
That might be true now, but I'm doubtful that was the case with Kickstarters like Wasteland 2.
They also only asked for $900 000 with Wasteland 2.
>>318051189
>Another way that they fucked up is that they picked WAY too close to the holiday season for this shit.
>Most of the successful kickstarters happen some time around spring, maybe stretching into Summer.
Yeah, that seems right. That was one of my disappointments with the Battlescape KS, they just barely scraped by and I think part of that was the timing. Fall is super competitive, and there are lots of costs going on. Gifts of course, but for non-Amerilards that's also they time period when you have to finish dealing with taxes if you filed for an extension back in April (I always just pay them right off, but I have friends who literally get an extension every single year). Other taxes like state property ones are due in Fall too.
I'd think that late-April through July would be good timing for smaller projects, and now that I think about it that's when a lot of the solid initial batch of KS were. A few others were in the Jan/Feb area, which I guess is heart of winter and nothing really going on either, plus some people got dosh for gifts. But most of the Fall ones I can think of that I tried backing in the past actually failed to fund.
>>318056209
Oh it's not like they didn't exist. But they were more tepid in their posts and how they behaved on the board. Neogaf, wasn't a bad place late 200x and early 201x. Then they started banning everyone who was even a modicum opposed to a common view amongst all members. It's why I stick to the few sub-communities, where that SJW attitude is usually not brought up, and if it is, it is ignored.
>>318056367
>I know this is sarcasm
No it isn't, they do post there.
>>318056138
You obviously haven't played it senpai
>>318056237
Good for you?
>this figure triggered my friends girlfriend and I'm now regarded as an oddball in her eyes
>this is the only figure I own
>now she's begging me to back indivisible
>>318056928
your girlfriend is shit
>>318056928
Nice blog
>>318056138
>Almost everyone here ignoring the fact that the game itself looks like absolute trash.
In terms of the gameplay it has stronger platforming than VP but worse combat.
However, what made the VP games good was not the platforming or combat gameplay.
>>318056704
Yeah, no, they don't. Not anymore. Please don't try to sell like 3 PR flaks hanging around as "devs" thanks.
you asshats really are celebrating the demise of a great studio and game because the devs are progressive? fuck this site to all hell.
>>318050237
>Had to get an extension
>Had to whore out to Shovel Shit
>Had to whore out to Shantae
>STILL not enough
Oh my fucking God how can someone be this much of a failure?
>>318050237
I can't wait for the asspain
it's going to give me more enjoyment than the game ever could.
>yfw angry rant video from the devs
>>318053328
undertale also asked for almost nothing
>>318056928
Cum all over the figurine, take a picture of it, text it to your friend's girlfriend, say "Thinking of you"
I keep telling you.
>>318057096
>great studio
>released a mediocre fighting game with less than 10 characters
>great studio
>>318057096
we're being sad for the loss of rule 34 potential
>post yfw they don't get funded but will keep all the money and won't have to return it since it's not kickstarter
>>318056998
My girlfriend is fine with it. She even likes it because it reminds her of Tinkerbell.
>>318057000
Thank you. I just found it funny how someone so shallow seems to be attacted to this game (but not for the gameplay).
>>318057053
It looks so bland, boring and uninspired.
And also the fact that enemies get knocked slightly back by attacks making both enemies and your characters shuffle around ALL OF THE FUCKING TIME annoys me off so fucking much.
>>318057243
Nah, they didn't use Flex Funding, which is the only reason anyone should use IndieGoGo (because most IndieGoGo projects are insane scams).
>>318057246
>>now she's begging me to back indivisible
>>318056928
>No difference between this and Tinkerbell
>M-Muh Disney
>>318057096
you can go back to reddit now and complain on /r/4chan about how those mean mysogonist bullies prevented a progressive game to be made
>>318057096
> censoring skullgirls animations to show less panty-shots
fuck Mike Z and fuck indivisible.
post yfw you're not a sjw or feminist
>>318057096
>great studio
MvC2 with fanservice western style girls.
>>318056928
Tell her you'll back it if she gives up the ass
>>318057149
Well maybe Mike Z should ask for almost nothing
>>318057446
MvC2 Had meta and neutral.
Skullgirls had no depth.
>>318054393
I honestly like the fluent animation but the platforming in the prototype was so shallow and the shitty 3D background look even worse with the 2D charaters
>>318053328
because the demo wasn't shit.
>>318057412
>mfw he's a sjw or feminist
>>318057317
oh thank god for that, i was worried for a second
>>318057096
>Skullgirls
>none of them are a skullgirl
>only six characters
>male characters
>mediocre gameplay
>>318057385
oh not you again..
>>318050237
You guys know they still get all the raised money right? IndieGogo works differently from Kickstarter
>>318057259
>It looks so bland, boring and uninspired.
That's because it is.
I mean who is the target audience? They borrow heavily from VP in terms of the gameplay but apart from that it's not similar to VP at all so they're obviously not making a spiritual sequel or something to it.
It both looks and feels like a mishmash of ideas that they rushed out to get funded without thinking the actual project through.
Look at Cuphead
>No Kickstarter
>Devs put their homes in mortgage
>Most of the animations done by one guy
>Looks million times better than this horseshit
Feels good to see e-beggars(especially of the SJW variety) die out
>>318057096
They aren't a great studio. Their employees were acting condescending and arrogant when under the pressure of realizing that they might not make their goal.
Fuck em. Karma's a bitch.
>>318051498
The real world you fucking idiot
>>318057129
The artist is the guy who does tomo chan right?
>>318051189
>>318056654
https://go.indiegogo.com/blog/2011/11/indiegogo-insight-average-contribution-amount-increases-13-in-december.html
neither of you know a single fucking thing about crowdfunding.
>>318057624
>removing a whole frame of pantsu
>not censorship
filtered
>>318057628
No, again, they don't. They didn't use "Flex Funding".
Flex Funding lets the creator keep whatever cash is donated even if they don't hit the goal. They used the regular funding model where no one gets charged if the campaign doesn't hit its goal.
Which again begs the fucking question:
WHY DID THEY USE INDIEGOGO? No fucking way the single digit percent difference in Kickstarter vs IndieGoGo's cut was significant enough.
>"anyone who's middle class and lower is scum of the earth"
>still begging for money on the internet
can't make this shit up
Maybe they shouldn't have asked for 1.5 million for their own version of a niche Ps1 action rpg now with less united character designs and a bunch of indie game references.
Especially for their second game as a studio.
Can they get another extension?
>>318057680
Cuphead looks fucking great.
I'm still waiting for a gameplay video though
>>318051635
why would it not? donators are desperate and time is down to the wire so they'll increase donations.
>>318057624
>Cerebella on the right shows that her dress is circular
>Censored sprite changes the shape and design of the dress for that one animation
Garbage, at least censor it in a way that doesn't ruin the continuity
>>318057842
Mike Z please.
God I hate these threads
>>318057842
>reading comprehension
>>318057624
How completely pointless the changes are makes the choice to do them even more baffling and dumb to me.
>>318057680
>Cuphead
OH SHIT I had forgot about that game.
The whole development process, art, music, animation, etc, is pretty incredible.
>>318057970
They were a lot more fun when the game was NEVER EVER getting made. Now that it's in the bag there's not much to talk about.
>>318057353
>>>now she's begging me to back indivisible
My friend's girlfriend, not my girlfriend.
>>318057356
>>No difference between this and Tinkerbell
There are enough differences for them not to get sued (twintails, sharper features, barefoot), but it's an obvious tribute.
>>318057479
>Tell her you'll back it if she gives up the ass
She's a hambeast.
>>318057898
I hope so
>on my way home after a days work
>so hungry, I stop by a little shawarma shop to eat
>scruffy vagabond loitering at the door approaches
>"yo man I need money to fund Indivisible"
>"sorry I don't have any"
>"I saw the clerk giving you change for a 50 bill"
>"I'm not giving you any, sorry"
>he pulls a knife out of his hoodie's pocket
>oh fuck
>reach into my wallet for the money
>my lucky day, a police car drives by just as he's pointing the blade at me
>officers detain him
>he keeps kicking and screaming about Shantae not doing shit or something
>the officers taser the dude and throw his unconscious body in the back of the car
>>318058176
>My friend's girlfriend, not my girlfriend.
This is why I hate english sometimes and their lack of pronouns.
Seriously english people, invent a word for female friends already.
>>318058137
more dumber to make that an issue and force retcon it to muh SJW, its like mental ilness person accusing normal person as mental illness
>>318058176
Your friend doesn't share his girlfriend? What kind of friend is that?
>>318057096
>le reddit comic reaction image
The game doesn't flop because of the devs or because muh progressive bullshit.
It flops because people aren't giving you millions for a new IP they don't know.
>>318058160
0/10
http://www.shacknews.com/article/92283/indivisible-creators-discuss-mythology-art-style-505-games-and-its-indiegogo-campaign
>not wanting a game with weird shit for monsters like pic related
>>318058160
so glad this gross brownie is gonna sink with her shitty game. forever gone and will fade into obscurity :)
>>318057096
>great studio
Shit at business from day 1, made one fighting game that's not as good as the games it's imitating, hired artists so the founder could brag about working with them and basically got him making like 10 frames of animation on a contract.
>great game
Bad VP clone that costs 3 times as much as it should to make.
>because the devs are progressive
No, because the devs hold that political view above the quality of their game and are willing to make bad, forced characters just to fulfill their creative diversity quota that nobody asked for but the fringe idiots that congregate in their home city.
Nobody makes good stories by forcing bad shit in that they think will be good just because, that's how you get The Phantom Menace.
>>318057096
>demise of a great studio
What part of the studio is great?
The art is the only thing you could argue (which is if we're talking Skullgirls, not Indivisible since the overall art there is shit).
They contracted a bunch of people for Skullgirls as well.
>Buying subpar lewd games because "m-muh west"
Git Weeb'd
>>318057096
fuck off back to reddit, nigger
>>318057757
I used to like Mariel. I don't care who she is friends with, even that literal retard. She openly criticized Anita and her shitty "research".
But after her condescending tweets to people not donating to their indiegogo, I can't stand her.
>>318058148
Then it's probably done unless they donate to themselves.
>>318058334
>>318058371
You still think this game isn't getting made? Dude no project has ever failed with this much % of funding before deadline. People will up their pledges and last day fags will finally push this to their goal.
>>318057096
Get out.
The dream isdead
Looked like a fun game to me, but yeah 1.5 mil is a crazy amount. Even Shovel Knight and Shantae didn't put enough wind in the sails.
Bad timing, wrong funding site, no dishonest-but-effective cost gauge practices, prototype turns off dumbasses that throw money at things they don't know about, 1.5 is very ambitious, some lackluster reveals.
lab zeros mistake is that they keep adding new characters like its a fighting game and all you need is a big roster.
its an rpg, having GOOD characters and story matters, and you cant develop a dozen good characters on a budget. even if it comes out it's going to be a disaster.
>>318058527
DREAMS.
DON'T.
DIE.
>>318058283
You could just call her a friend or acquaintance if her being your friend's girlfriend isn't immediately relevant to the conversation.
>>318058326
>Your friend doesn't share his girlfriend? What kind of friend is that?
Let me put it this way, I don't want to share her. My girlfriend is 10x hotter and more chill.
Naturally I'm still a massive nerd but being born with good looks have their perks since a lot of women are shallow, I can actually pick and choose a bit so I don't have to settle for hambeasts.
>>318058490
It's actually probably going to succeed given that they're almost 80% of the way there and the final rush is about to go into effect
plus the bonus of the final rush happening during the holiday season which provides a known statistical boost.
>>318057816
The context of them saying that is mostly under the idea of giving to a cause. Indivisible is not a cause even if some of its funders would have you believe that. It's a product. It's taking advantage of the current SJW-slanted atmosphere to try and survive on that because it doesn't believe it could stand alone. When that fell through, they resorted to toting guest characters.
I'm sure the article is accurate. I'm also willing to bet there's a pretty sizable slant towards "good-natured" stuff like making toys for kids or something over Indiegogos that are just product concepts and that alone.
>>318058569
>Bad timing
why?
>no dishonest-but-effective cost gauge practices
what do you mean
>>318058681
i'm awaiting a source for any kind of statistics that back up your claims.
until that happens we can only look at research that HAS been done.
>>318058673
>plus the bonus of the final rush happening during the holiday season which provides a known statistical boost.
I don't see the reasoning behind this. We've just had a global black friday weekend sale and christmas is just around the corner which is an expensive holiday.
>>318058729
it's the month before that holiday people spend tons of money on, you know christmas?
>>318053841
>funfact
>entirely salty and bitter speculation
>>318050237
Why didn't they develop a new game with the money they earned from Skullgirls? Can Lab Zero really not survive without public welfare?
>>318058850
see
>>318057816
average donations go up 8%, as usual /v/ has no clue about how the world works and listening to them makes you a retard.
>>318058673
They already had their final rush to make the extension.
People who believe this will automatically happen again is being naive.
Not saying it can't happen, but it is far from a certainty.
>game with fluid animation sprites and a cute brown girl main character
My dick and love of quality spritework is intere-
>it's actually just a turn based rpg in disguise
Nevermind, i don't care.
>>318058315
Not really.
>>318058981
>average donations go up 8%
And?
You know that the quantity of those donations can also increase and decrease, right?
>>318050957
Guys... Who the fuck is Lime? I asked before, and no one gave a direct answer. Is it literally just some random fucking dude who really likes Indivisible? Like, who the fuck is Lime, and why should I care?
And why are you fags always posting screenshots from Neogaf? You all alwway act like you're above Neogaf and Reddit. but you all are from Neogaf and Reddit.
>>318058527
KNOW MY NAME AND FEAR IT
>>318057096
>celebrating the demise of a great studio and game because the devs are progressive?
And once its over, I will celebrate their demise as one less misogynistic studio in the industry.
The mad world belongs to trolls. One-eyed man is king in the land of blinds.
>>318058981
Better hope that holds true then. I don't see this getting funded unless a publisher jumps in.
>>318058967
oh boy we get to answer this question again
they worked hard on skullgirls even though they got no royalties from the sales because they cared about what they worked on. they're trying to leverage good will from the gaming community so that they can make a game they would get royalties from so they don't have to resort to crowdfunding again.
of course, on /v/, working hard on a game because you care about it is an even bigger sin than nickel and diming customers with half-finished shit.
>>318053721
Play it. Stop listening to /v/ for your opinions. Just play a fucking videogame for once.
>>318058443
I can't really blame them for wanting to get paid but these people need to learn how PR works if they want to run a business, especially since their business is currently ran by e-begging.
>>318059107
Just some random loser that's being given a safe space to be stupid on neogaf.
This guy is the CEO of Lab Zero, though. He's the one pushing for muh diversity. He's gay so he pretty much put Beowulf on Skullgirls by himself.
>>318059172
>they worked hard on skullgirls even though they got no royalties from the sales because they cared about what they worked on.
Hahahahaha, no.
>>318059092
oops, i got it backwards
TOTAL contributions increase 8%
AVERAGE increase 13%.
>>318059042
that rush ended a full 24 hours before the deadline so the most severe part of it was untapped, and since then the campaign has picked up thousands more supporters and even more followers who will not be willing to donate at all until the final days. and obviously getting the game made is a waaay bigger incentive than just an extension for a chance at getting the game made.
at this point it's clearly more likely the game will get funded but /v/ thinks it's about the same as a snowball's chance in hell because they have forgotten how every single crowdfunding campaign in the history of crowdfunding has gone.
>>318059245
Who keeps posting Lime screencaps then? YOU? Why? Just stop. He's a nobody. It's bad enough that you're from neogaf, and bugging us with all your neogaf drama. But on top of that bullshit, you're posting just random fucking posters?? Fuck off with that shit
>>318051498
Mike0dude has done a couple in-depth explorations of the budget for this on multiple sources.
Do you understand how 'paying employees a wage' works? Let's say you pay 15 people enough to live right below the poverty level of $15,000/yr (assuming they live alone and don't have wives/families/kids/people to support). That alone is a quarter of a million dollars, and that's worse money than working at McDonalds. Add in publishing fees, QA, advertising, art contractors, studio space, equipment costs, travel expenses for going to trade shows/press events, and even if you starve your entire staff of money that's at least $750,000. I'm sure as fuck missing other expenses because I've never made a game, but Final Fantasy VII cost $7,000,000 to make. Without counting advertising costs.
>>318059408
then why did they work for months without pay even though their publishing deal gave them no royalties until well after sales would slow to a crawl?
>>318058443
>I don't care who she is friends with, even that literal retard.
"Tell me your companions, and I will tell you what you are" -- Proverbs 13:20
>She openly criticized Anita and her shitty "research".
Only because Anita criticizes the type of stuff she makes. It's just personal for her. She still appeared on Wu's GDC panel to spread anti-gamer fear mongering.
>>318059172
They put up an indiegogo campaign. Maybe underpaid for muh San Francisco, but they didn't work for passion in their basements.
Everyone seems to think this game is failing because of some sjw boogeyman, or maybe the opposite. Gamergators?
Either way, that's not the problem. I firmly believe that if this game had been everything it advertised itself as, with the main exception being, that it's not a turn based rpg, it would have been funded.
There, i fucking said it. Turn based is tired. People don't want it as much as they used to. Reworking this game as a sidescrolling beat em up probably would have guranteed it a full release from the start.
Before you fags start in on me about how you, and some others may like turn based, or this particular games take on it, i realize that it is interesting, and some may like it, but the majority do not.
The devs shot themselves in the foot. They have no one to blame but themselves.
>>318059449
>TOTAL contributions increase 8%
Okay.
Now, is there data on the amount of additional/fewer campaigns that come up during the holiday season compared to the rest of the year?
>>318050237
no the dream isnt over we still have 8 days left with less then $350,000 to go that's definitely doable come on indivisibros we can do this
>>318059585
>Maybe underpaid for muh San Francisco
No, underpaid for America. their salaries are based on the national average and then reduced a significant amount (around 30%). average cost of living has very little effect on wages as people can find cheap rent anywhere if they look hard enough and if they don't it just means that they're choosing to spend their money on a nicer place with a better location instead of other things.
>>318059520
Not really but now I will put one I got from another thread just to rustle your jimmies.
And you lurk other places so we can have a laff about the idiocy of this campaign. Too bad they DID have some connections and managed to put the game on PS4 and get all those guest characters, because otherwise the project wouldn't have made it to the extention.
>>318059245
>"ballsy" to have a dark-skinned female lead. One or the other would've been fine, but both was possible a lot for them to process.
Meanwhile, in fucking Japan.
>>318050957
LMAO
So glad I didn't fall for the shilling.
>>318059754
>8 days left
>being getting 1% per day the last few days
>Still has 23% left to go
Its not getting funded
>>318059698
I dunno, it would seem reasonable to assume they're about the same.
>>318059561
The financial issue surrounding Skullgirls have more to do with the fact that they messed up with lots of shit. One thing after another due to poor management.
>then why did they work for months without pay even though their publishing deal gave them no royalties until well after sales would slow to a crawl?
You do realize that all the DLC is crowdfunded right?
>>318059683
It's not turn based.
>>318059941
american business execs are test-deprived morons, this is known.
>>318057915
>I'm still waiting for a gameplay video though
Ummm...there's plenty of gameplay vids
Like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wexnjZ7fs8
I'm not sure what you're talking about
>>318058729
AAA Title season and nothing to obscure how much they need like stretch goals.
>>318059995
its getting funded most games get a huge boost on the last day theres no way people would let this game get unfunded with just a couple 100k left
>>318059941
Meanwhile in the US.
the CEO is just panderng to you know what crowd so they shill the game for free, see >>318059812
>>318059995
I love how the average user contribution is about $60. And they are just asking people to double down so it gets funded.
The people with that kind of money to burn are already doing so on games they want. Like DOAX3.
>>318060054
Not really, companies don't make blogs talking about the beauty of their business in December for no reason, they are trying to boost interest in the website during a slow period with one beneficial stat to point at, or they are trying to further increase interest in their website in a period where they see an increase in overall revenue, either or.
>>318059812
>I'm going to shitpost more, because it bothers you.
Great. Very nice.
Well, at least your slightly more informative than the rest of you faggots.
I hate how these kinds of things spiral out of control. Because people like you just start posting random screenshots(propaganda) with little to no context. And essentially stir up so much shit, that everything gets out of control.
>>318060270
I genuinely feel ashamed for not immediately thinking of her when pulling an example off the top of my head.
>>318060060
>You do realize that all the DLC is crowdfunded right?
You do realize they worked for months BEFORE the squigly campaign without pay, right?
And that they were barely breaking even the entire time they were working on dlc characters because they asked for ridiculously low salaries and didn't expect to get locked into those salaries for 2 years worth of dlc characters, right?
and that they still delivered every single thing promised in the campaign + a few extras with leftover money because they stuck to their principles in working at those salaries to produce content until the money ran out, right?
AND that they released all of that content for free for three months to everyone that played the game whether they supported the campaign or not, right?
>>318059585
You know San Francisco and Los Angeles are really far away from ea--
You know what, forget it. Americans fail at American geography.
>>318060270
And WayForward has to fund those games either with their own money or crowdfunding because american businessmen have no clue what the fuck they're doing.
>>318060349
then i guess you better get a source to contradict mine because i haven't seen shit yet. at the very least it seems we can assume that donations will not decrease because it is shopping season and this game does still have a decent chance to get made.
>>318060509
They're in the same state. I don't think you understand how easy and how much Americans travel.
The manager at my last job drove an hour 40 minutes each way to get back and forth to work.
I think it's a great project, but I don't think I'll be unhappy to get thirty bucks back, either.
>>318060236
I missed them.
Thanks anon
>>318058981
No you retard, actually read the fucking article. Obviously we're on /v/, and on /v/ all our interestest in fagsourcing is based exclusively around vidya. However, vidya is a small part of what KS or Indiego do. They run an assload of other projects, many of which are much better matches for crowdsourcing period or appeal to different audiences or different strategies. Note the word that comes up repeatedly there:
>philanthropic
Yeah, no shit that that sort of thing happens more in the holidays. That's ALWAYS been true EVERYWHERE, that's why all the non-profits start dialing up hardcore in Oct/Nov/Dec. A lot of people do end-of-the-year giving. Hell, that's when I give, I can figure out all my finances, see what I've got, and then slip in my donations in time to take the deduction the next tax year. Also 'tis the season etc etc.
But "average 13% ACROSS EVERYTHING" says absolutely nothing about funding some future vidya in particular. If you have some specific average of just vidya projects then great, otherwise fuck off. For people who bitch about "/v/ doesn't know anything XD" you sure seem to make some utterly basic middle school statistics fuckups.
>>318058176
>Tinkerbell
I meant that liking Tinkerbell is fine but Tiki is a crime against women
What's the average backer donation at this point?
>>318060685
So you literally do not know the distance. Thanks for proving my point.
LA to SF is a 7-8 hour drive.
>>318060650
>i guess you better get a source to contradict mine
I don't need to, your source doesn't prove anything on its own because there is missing key data.
>>318060556
American businessmen should have every doubt of funding a game by a ragtag group of people who want to make a very different second game after they had a gorillion problems making the first one.
Remember Activision vs Tim Schafer? Tim Schafer was the bad guy all along.
>>318060747
You're welcome bro
>>318060509I'm not american and was under the impression that they were located at muh sillicon valley, sorry
>>318050237
That's what they deserve for falling for the female protag meme.
>>318060801
I don't live in California, you fuck. But what's your point?
>>318060812
no, there isn't. total goes up 8%. in every statistical analysis in the history of mankind, someone can come up with a variable that could make those statistics less useful but the fact remains that small variables rarely make a difference, much less a difference to turn something from a gain to a loss.
'common sense' says a thing
statistics defy that hypothesis
you now need statistics that show that video games are somehow treated differently from everything else to a degree where they suffer in the holiday season instead of gain
but you can't
so you're a retard.
>>318060995
That's fine. But it's ridiculous how people think all Californians are sipping wine in their yachts when LA is more comparable to what you see in GTA San Andreas
>>318060556
IT'S
2015
I MEAN
COME ON
Hopefully it fails miserably once and for all and we stop getting a constant stream of daily Shilldivisible threads powered by Mike 'Jewfag' Z.
He sure didn't mind shilling his shitty project in the evil place 4chan that he hates so much.
Like Quevedo wrote "Poderoso caballero es don Dinero". Literally POTTERY.
>>318050237
good, that was one terrible, boring ass prototype
everything from the visual design to the combat was literally shite
>>318061168
they even made a general in /vg/ for this not game
>>318060886
it has more backers than shovel knight got and shovel knight made a shitload of profit
it has made more than double money that bloodstained needed to prove there was enough interest, and bloodstained also needed more than double the funding from the publisher
so it looks to me like american businessmen missed out on a great moneymaking opportunity that 505 got a hold of
given that 505 has thrown in extra financial support by adding to backer rewards and improving contest prizes to build hype, it seems like 505 also thinks this game will be very profitable for them.
>>318051502
>why didn't they just ask for 5k like undertale did
Because 5 thousand only funds the game while 3.5 millions fills the pockets.
>>318061225
>everything was shite
objectively false
>>318060556
American businessmen are actually more respectable than American game devs these days.
>>318060075
>Input attacks
>wait
>input attacks
Whatever you wanna call it. Final fantasy only gets away with it cause they have years of brand recognition.
This game has none. Except "from the creators of skullgirls".
>>318050237
>>318051705
>Dragon's Crown
Add Persona and Neptunia and you have a large part of the skullgirls owners apparently.
Know your audience
Remember to report each and every single one of these shill threads.
>>318061116
>total goes up 8%
Yes, and that means absolutely nothing in the context of individual campaigns.
You are literally trying to call key data a variable, it's not a variable, if the amount of active campaign asking prices increases by 8% or more that data is completely moot, it is data that is required to turn your hypothesis, which you somehow think is something more because of incomplete data, into an actual fact.
So come back when you've got it.
>>318061507
>better head out to the store and refill on mountain dew and doritos so i can enjoy my favorite new ea game gobble gobble gobble I love cock
>>318050237
Thank god, this shit was overrated as fuck. Its going to be another attempt at "action jrpg" mechanics. Nothing at all special about this, no reason to allow this to exist. They need to go back to making sexy characters for faggots to jackoff to.
>>318058359
Put it in the demo then.
>>318061718
He never implied that.
>>318061596
>There is a defense mechanic so it is turn based
If you weren't continuing this with actual criticism of the campaign I would think you're just making pathetic excuses for why this game is failing.
>>318061505
Waifu-tier mob.
>>318061701
the hypothesis was that people don't donate during the holiday season
not only DO they donate, they donate MORE
you have clearly lost you dumb piece of shit.
>>318061791
giving businessmen more respect than creators definitely implies that.
>>318061372
>given that 505 has thrown in extra financial support by adding to backer rewards and improving contest prizes to build hype, it seems like 505 also thinks this game will be very profitable for them.
I fear for their business acumen if they think a troubled kekstarter that got help from large press outlets, big youtube personalities and popular indies and still can't make its goal is going to make them profit.
It's clear there is no demand for this.
>>318061750
>He can't even recognize a Penanggalan when its right in front of him.
>>318061959
No, it just to show how fucked up american developers are now.
>>318061837
Uh, no, the hypothesis was that people are donating less to this campaign primarily because of competition.
But keep arguing against your idiotic strawman if you want that meaningless feeling of self satisfaction in "winning" an internet argument.
>>318061372
>Five nights at freddys got zero dollars from crowd funding and tons from the actual game
>imagine how much indivisible will make
I don't think we know how much of correlation we can draw between the amount funded and how much the actual product will make. When you're crowdfunding you're selling an a pie in the sky dream when you're selling a game it can be something else entirely, especially since you may have to rely on word of mouth from your backers.
>just donated 60$
>only 340 000$ left
I have faith in LZ
>>318059683
How come Undertale is so popular then?
I think you got it partially. I think the mash between the platforming a combat is not smooth at all and ruins it.
>>318061959
The businessman's job is to make money. The devs job is to make good games. Now tell me, who's doing a better job?
>>318053905
You generally don't put out your best work for your final project, because the university gets ownership of it.
Its just one of many, many ways that the university system is a giant scam.
>>318062076
You mean like the Mario RPG series
>>318061372
Well considering it isn't going to get made 505 is wrong and american businessmen right don't you think you fucking idiot.
>>318061980
>more than 30% more backers than shovel knight
>on a less popular CF platform
>the campaign isn't even over yet
I guess shovel knight had no demand, too?
>>318051705
>"if you like big boobs and big ass, you're a pedophile"
WAT
>>318062261
Why do people rape the dark elves?
>>318062036
>I don't think we know how much of correlation we can draw between the amount funded and how much the actual product will make.
then you also can't really say there's no demand or even little demand for the game.
although it's interesting that people haven't come up with reasonable metrics that imply the game wouldn't be financially successful and there are lots of examples that imply it would.
>>318062220
>I guess shovel knight had no demand, too?
but it didn't
>NES game
>demand
>>318062067
thx desu senpai
>>318062343
it's not considered rape if its elves
>>318059683
Stop the shilling you shithead, it's over. Seriously.
>>318062343
Why do people don't rape more dark elves?
>>318062034
this post
>>318056654
clearly implies that americans are less likely to spend money on donating to crwodfunding because of shopping and taxes.
that is demonstrably false.
>>318062182
Mario RPG had very slow paced platforming. Indivisible has a dashes, wall jumps and even some sort of run attack. I think it would have been better for them on making it more of a metroidvania with a higher focus on combat.
>>318050237
You mean the nightmare is over?
>>318062598
And that particular post would be wrong, but that's fine, because you replied to someone else who said exactly what I'm saying.
>>318062378
then why did it sell over 700,000 copies?
>>318057198
There are 14 characters
OK so lets assume it makes it, and gets that other 2 mil, totaling 3.5 mil to make.
How much does it need to sell and at what price to make a profit?
And then lets compare that to the original VP sales or something.
>>318050237
>dream
You think that shilling is a "dream" to you?
Do they still get whatever money they raised even if they don't hit the goal?
>>318062727
>There are 14 characters
Now
>>318062727
Yeah, after you buy the extra $25 worth of DLC which came out years after the game was actually released.
>this funding has gone on for so long that it broke the crowdcharts prediction thing
It shows as if Indivisible flatlined at $1,108,355 ever since three days ago.
>>318050237
>2D game
>Asking for 1.5 million
GET
FUCKED
>>318062786
No. In fact the studio is going to shut down if they don't make the goal.
>>318062751
They wouldn't need to earn back the initial 1.5m since its already been paid for
The other 2m needs 66,667 sales at 30 bucks a piece
>tfw lived long enough to see Guts get off the boat
>tfw will live long enough to see this garbage fail
What a time to be alive.
>>318062886
That's not exactly incorrect data
>>318062857
IIRC was free. I got the DLC free, or costed like 1-2 dlls.
>>318050957
Does he actually think GG is SJW?
/v/ is just cancer at this point. You faggots bitch about fucking feminism and sjw to the point where you won't even give a game like this a chance. It actually plays well. Then you wonder why gaming is going down hill. No disrespect to the people that just think the game sucks, I'm talking about the betas that automatically hate because "muh looks like sjw"
>>318062751
expected retail price is 30 dollars for a digital copy given that's the donation tier that earns you a digitial copy. to make 4 million dollars that would be like 140,000 copies.
valkyrie profile lenneth only had a print run of about 70,000 (~20,000 at first, then an additional 50,000 when it ran out) which pretty much sold out. new copies are up to a price of 250 dollars due to the rarity.
https://graphmag.wordpress.com/2011/01/15/valkyrie-profile-sales/
original was 700,000 worldwide, psp port an additional 230,000
and this game would be sold at a cheaper price on more platforms with digital distribution and probably get better marketing since VP had zero marketing at all when it was brought over to america.
>>318061606
>fanbase buys rpgs full of waifus
>decide to make a game full of fat ugly men
Are they literally retarded?
>>318063008
That would be on top of the 18K copies for the backers which they don't get any money for right?
So basically around 70K new sales at $30? Man I just don't know. 70K sales sounds relatively small for a game, but then again that is also at $30, from a market that has already shown apathy for this game.
>>318062886
crowdcharts a shit
>>318063043
it's gone up over 50k since crowdcharts page broke
Looks like we're gonna be short on tears
>>318057096
>progressive
>a 30 years old genre
no
>>318054393
They chose to pander to the group that doesn't actually play video games.
>>318057096
I love a good trainwreck of a studio pretty much doesnt matter who it is
>>318056928
that's a cool figure though......
>>318063259
Are you implying that people don't play Neptunia for the gameplay?
>>318063227
Yeah, honestly, most people are just not interested in the game, it doesn't scratch any particular itch for them. That's the big problem a lot of indie developers miss - they think that just because they put weeks/months of effort into something, that entitles them to a big audience and a fat paycheck by default.
>>318063331
>already shown apathy
how is raising a million dollars for a game 2 years from release apathy? what metric are you looking at where you're like "eh people aren't that interested in this game"
>>318063008
Thats the amount of sales they would need if they got 100% of the money. Steam Psn and any physical retailers, if they plan on selling physical copies, would all take a cut. I'm not sure what they need if you count all the factors.
>dream is over
>8 days left
?????/
>>318063405
Never thought of it that way before.
>>318063556
How slowly it got funded. They struggled to make the extension.
Compare this to something like the Battletech KS and you can easily see why I would consider it apathetic.
>>318063227
You know, it doesn't help that Mike Z and others are spinning off that the game isn't doing well BECAUSE it has a female protagonist and that gamers nowadays are full of cis straight white males. This crowd of people wouldn't even exist if they hadn't even opened their mouths and said shit like "this isn't doing well because gamers are misogynistic" or "it's a terrible day to be a female protagonist in a video game."
And mind you this shit only stemmed because the game was so boring and uninfluencial, that nobody even bothered to support it in the first 2 or 3 weeks. You can't blame one party without looking at the other side of the fence first.
>devs can't get game funded
>decide to get a loan to fund the rest of the game
>release game
>doesn't sell because they cheated their way into funding the release
>company Goes bankrupt
Best possible outcome IMO. Devs are overly confident pieces of shit. Go on tumblr and look up Indivisible. The posts are hilarious.
>>318063845
>BECAUSE it has a female protagonist and that gamers nowadays are full of cis straight white males.
Yeah, sure.
Citation needed, you stupid clown.
>>318063761
>How slowly it got funded.
how is that a sensible metric? the 'goal' there is based on how much is needed to make the game. people don't increase their pledges or decide to pledge because the goal is higher (in fact, they probably do the opposite) they do it because they want the product and/or backer rewards
number of contributors and their donation amounts make far more sense as a metric.
>>318063845
>because gamers are misogynistic" or "it's a terrible day to be a female protagonist in a video game."
But that's true in other sites people are saying that they don't like a game that is made as a circus with a diverse people of different cultures, and brown people.
And obviously that the MC is a brown woman.
>>318063845
>isn't doing well BECAUSE it has a female protagonist
they've never said anything like that at all, they generally believe the main reason it's struggling is that they focus on the "steak instead of the sizzle" when trying to market it to people.
>>318064023
Honestly I don`t think it`ll sell well regardless, everyone that ones the game has donated on a level that gives them the game, so if it somehow actually does get released then no one will be left that doesn't own it
>>318063405
They pandered to /v/!?
>no one cares about our over budgeted mediocre game
>ITS CUZ OF DUH EVIL WHITE MENZ AND GATERS
kek
>>318064268
>they focus on the "steak instead of the sizzle" when trying to market it to people.
Meaning?
>>318051849
i can see why somebody wouldn't like DC artstyle, the proportions are pretty ridiculous
but you can't deny that the art itself is gorgeous
>>318059557
>this for the 1000th time
>>318064443
>everyone that ones the game has donated on a level that gives them the game
like how everyone who wanted shovel knight donated at the level that got them a copy of the game?
>>318059107
Some nut on NeoGAF. He started whining about homeless people living in the cold in a thread about Tomb Raider's marketing.
>>318055009
>>318055194
GG just calls out anyone who's being retarded, but is full of opposing opinions
>>318064505
http://simplesmallbiz.com/business-marketing-101-sell-the-sizzle-not-the-steak/
>>318051561
>get excited and make things
>>318054393
>mfw when I have never funded a kikestarter once in my life
seriously, has anything good ever come out of that shitty website?
>>318064176
I'm sorry are you honestly trying to say how quickly people throw money at a crowd funded project isn't a valid indicator of interest?
It struggled just to get an extension. It was touch and go as to whether they would get it. If that isn't indicative of a lack of interest then I don't know what is.
Would you seriously be saying this if it was the other way around and it got over funded before even the extension time?
>>318064765
>Sell People What They Want, NOT What They Need
Ah.
They are right, then. Honesty doesn't work.
>>318064189
I can double guarantee that this shit would have been funded day one if they made the exact same game but replaced all the shitty characters with a cute girl version of them.
>>318050957
I feel sorry for these people. They're so paranoid and self-centered that they think that any personal critique is some grave holy insult to their very existence. They even have some 1984-tier moderation to protect their little safe zone. And even then they keep getting triggered.
>>318051336
Teenager and privileged SJW don't have to worry about paying the monthly bills and the responsibilities. This is why they have so much time for talking out of their ass.
>>318065163
Yeah, I agree.
>>318064883
LWA2 and the Muv-Luv localization?
>>318064976
>how quickly people throw money at a crowd funded project
18,000 people have thrown money at the project
1.15 million dollars of money has been thrown at the project
that is a lot of money thrown at the project, projects with way less money thrown at them have sold way more copies than would be required for this game to profit
you were talking about how long it takes them to get funded, their goal has very little to do with interest. if their goal was 15 million and they had the same number of backers for the same amount of money, they would still have the same amount of interest as they have now, the goal is a nonfactor.
>>318065317
muv luv was already fan translated
>>318051705
Obligatory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtFN8G0NN4M
>>318064883
>>318065317
muv luv was translated years ago
They should of out the goal of 1.2 million and put a stretch goal saying. " 1.5 million! WE GET ACTUAL HIGHER PAY."
Have you backed a single project that actually got delivered?
>>318065386
>>318065514
I know, Herkz.
>>318064991
The problem is that they are trying to sell what THEY want to make, not what people want or even need. Which is a fine approach if you're a JD Salinger type of creator not caring about the market. But you can play the market making your own rules.
>>318065539
Skullgirls dlc characters.
Speaking of projects that never delivered.
Barkley 2 is never coming out, is it?
this is kinda sad, reminds me of pol trying to predict ww3
at least start shitposting when is happening
>>318065317
Those were kickstarters for things that weren't just a demo game.
They aren't the guy who did megaman or the guy who did Castlevania so even a million would have been pushing what crowdfunding would get.
>>318065353
If their goal has little to do with interest why is it not funded yet and struggled to even make the extension?
You have no fucking idea what you are on about mate. The game has gotten more than enough exposure in the circles that should apparently be funding it.
It isn't funded yet. It struggled to make the extension. That means there is little interest.
Go look at something like the Battletech kickstarter. It got funded with no issues. Because there is interest in the IP and game.
You are trying to tell me that this game despite struggling to get funded will somehow magically generate interest once it is funded. If people didn't put in for it now, there is little indicator they would be willing to later. Especially when piracy is a thing. And unless your product is good piracy will not help you.
inb4 the publisher just tops up the rest
inb4 Mike is a hypocrite once again
inb4 the game doesn't sell anyway
>>318065539
Nope.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1338986832/sealark-an-oceanic-adventure-game
>/v/ is going to win
No, NO! God frickin' dang it!
>>318066215
3 Y E A R S +
The first and last time I trusted tumblr also. Then again it was 2012 - c'mon.
>>318066215
>2012
>>318066038
>If their goal has little to do with interest why is it not funded yet and struggled to even make the extension?
because their goal has little to do with interest, it is about how much it takes to make the game, this is obvious.
>>318065539
Not vidya Grimagia Monster Girl Card Game
>>318066038
>If people didn't put in for it now, there is little indicator they would be willing to later.
but people are willing to put in money now
more people than shovel knight, more money than shovel knight, and shovel knight sold magnitudes more than the number of supporters it had, like 50x that number.
>>318066089
why wouldn't it sell?
it has more supporters than the SG dlc indiegogo and SG sold really well
it has more supporters than the shovel knight kickstarter and shovel knight sold really well
The demo seemed like a neat mobile game, but not something I could sit down and play on a console or my PC
>>318066401
Still not delivered.
The dumblr baby keeps going on how he somehow works 3 jobs too.
I don't understand what happened to the 60k in the first year. Like, supplement that money with your main job and try and spend SOME time on the game.
I've assumed this game will never be made. Nothing but tumblr art and lies.
>>318066815
>tfw we will never get an audit to find out who are these people donating during the last hours of a failing kickstarter and catch devs and publishers redhanded
>>318066908
People who 'bought' it through kickstarter probably aren't going to buy it again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rribzNV4H7U
>on a budget of only 200k
>>318067067
>using stolen assets
lel
>>318067125
please elaborate.
>>318066992
I wonder, can we use the Freedom of Information Act on longrunning kikestarters that have a business and have yet to deliver?
Kind of like Derek Smart did to Star Citizen.
Except Star Citizen bitched to the UK government, now they gave SC an extra 3 months (to the end of Dec) to submit their taxes (which Derek Smart wants to see).
I know
>UK
but I mean, using public records or submitting requests for tax information for these things.
>>318059107
Just one of the many neofag member notoriously known for creating and derailing thread by baiting poor souls who didn't know better.
post your sad feely wheelies when this isnt getting funded and lab zero has to close down forever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNhctnU8YVw
>>318067002
But that should have been applied to Shovel Knight too and still sold well.
>>318066652
>>318066815
It is very simple. They want X amount and say there is interest enough to raise it to be funded. The very concept of crowd funding.
It looks like it won't make that amount outside of a whale now, and struggled to make the extension. Hence there is not enough interest to justify what they are asking for.
If there is a good amount of interest in the game but it doesn't make funding, then they have asked for too much but ultimately there was not enough interest to make that X amount they want.
Hence, there is not enough interest in the game to get it funded. Or potentially even sold enough to turn a profit after funding.
This is not hard anons.
>>318067002
right
people who bought shovel knight through the kickstarter didn't buy it again
but 50x that number of people bought it after it was made
because a small amount of interest at the start of production translates into WAY MORE interest when there is a finished product you don't have to wait for.
>>318067067
Funny you would use that example, considering its the same animators
>>318067170
Google "Scott Pilgrim Sonic Battle"
>>318067249
>and say there is interest enough to raise it to be funded.
they didn't say that, they just hope that because they need that much to make the game.
if their goal was 15k with this much donated, the interest would be the same amount as if this much was donated towards a 15 million dollar goal.
>>318067067
>a game that is much shorter and looks worse because it depends on retro pixel art was made for less money
OK? I like that game but even the Indivisible prototype has more depth to its gameplay and looks prettier and better animated than that.
SOMEONE DID IT
SOMEONE FUCKING DID IT
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/indivisible-rpg-from-the-creators-of-skullgirls#/
They spent more time on artwork and design than gameplay and it shows
>>318067727
>1471151 out of 1500000 is 96%
0/10 apply yourself
>>318067449
You clearly don't understand what crowd funding is anon. It is literally saying I believe there is enough of a market interest for me to make a produce, and I will prove it by raising the necessary funds to produce it.
If it doesn't get funded, there wasn't enough interest for the concept as sold by them. If it does it is proof of concept, and gets the product made.
You are equating that a project with a target of 10K is the same as a project with a target of 100K, and have the same interest if they just have the same number of backers. Ignoring the amount of money actually required for the project. Each could get 1000 backers. Doesn't mead shit if they only gave $10 each. Because then one gets made and the other doesn't. So there was enough interest to fund one but not the other.
>>318067449
>the interest would be the same amount as if this much was donated towards a 15 million dollar goal.
It might as well be the case because LZ had stretchgoals planned. The lukewarm reception caught everyone off guard.
>>318063227
People are perfectly entitled to not give money to people that they feel will use that money to push for ideas t hey don't agree with. Indivisible doesn't just look like an SJW game, it is literally made my SJWs. The only people who deny it are Mariel waifufags and people who can't accept that Lab Zero are shitters that turned on their fanbase.
>>318067838
but the gameplay is really solid and what they've said they want to do with it from here on out sounds really cool.
>>318063845
Honestly, the cycle has to stop. And if the party that bitches about having shitty games is the same party that won't try to give games like these a chance for the sole reason being they think it's pandering, then I'm gonna blame that party. Beggars can't be choosers.
>>318067727
HOLY SHIT
>>318050237
THANK GOD! FINALLY NO MORE THREAD ABOUT THIS SHIT!
>>318067869
They're close though. That's good. I'm looking forward for this game, the demo played well.
>>318067951
what else do they plan do to it from what was in the demo?
The combat was neat, but would I already got my fill of it from the 10 minute demo
>>318068040
What makes you think they won't just evolve into waifu threads?Not that that is a bad thing if it triggers people.
>>318055841did she actually
>>318067892
>It is literally saying I believe there is enough of a market interest for me to make a produce, and I will prove it by raising the necessary funds to produce it.
no, it isn't, it's saying 'i want to make this but can't afford to, maybe i can get the money from interested parties to do it'
it has been shown that raising the amount to produce something actually implies an insane amount of profit can be obtained at the end because raising money before something is done is way, WAY harder than selling a finished product. it's obvious at this point that the game would make back way more than its budget through sales, they just need to get the budget together.
>>318067989
Thanks @Notch you did it again!
I'm just going to get a patreon to fund my game. Niche game, 5000 people x $10 a month, fuck I'd be happy with that. Wouldn't you?
>>318068393
>notch offers to fund their kekstarter
>asks for Kinuko pussy in return
>>318051487
Why?
>>318068389
Never noticed how fucking weird her nose is, guess she couldn't be perfect.
>>318068173
http://indivisiblegame.com/blog/building-on-the-indivisible-prototype/
>on-the-fly weapon swaps
>enemy dodging/countering/guard breaks
>status effects
>dual techs
>combo bonuses differing based on type of combo
mikez's also mentioned a few times on stream that he would love to make an incarnation into a grappler-style character.
>>318068316
>maybe i can get the money from interested parties to do it'
I want you to go back and re-read what you just wrote. You are trying to tell me that it isn't about interest, by telling me it is about interest.
You are either baiting, retarded, or underage. And they aren't mutually exclusive either.
>>318050237
>No Wii U
>No 3DS
>No Vita
Deserved. Fuck them.
>>318068546
is this game even out yet i really liked the demo
>>318068806
It really amazes me how many people know about this tiny fucking game about bartending
HOW
>>318067907
>People are perfectly entitled to not give money to people that they feel will use that money to push for ideas t hey don't agree with.
I'm not saying fund it, you fucking dyke. I'm saying that same group that doesn't want to fund a game because they're backwards beta faggots that can't handle a little variety in games/ life shouldn't bitch about the industry caring more about "muh story, PC, womyn" more than actual gameplay. They're doing the exact thing.
>>318068670
you are actually retarded
it takes X money to make a thing
it doesn't matter if 4 people are interested in it or 4 million are interested in it, if they're willing to pay a quarter of a cent each or 200 grand
it still takes X money to make it.
>>318068792
>No for 2 dead consoles.
Good thinking L0.
>>318068792
>Dead console
>Dead handheld
>Mega-dead handheld
2/10 bait, apply yourself next time.
>>318068792
>handhelds and kid's toys
>>318068546
>Niche game
>5000 people x $10 a month
>>318068978
5000 people is not that many people m8
>>318067321
so your issue is one (1) sprite that they probably drew from scratch as a copy (inspiration) thus makes the whole game not good?
it wasn't even the base game just the dlc which still came out...
>>318069067
5000 people willing to pay some scrub 120 dollars a year is a lot of people
>>318068792
>wiiu, 3ds, vita
>is surprised that a game is coming out that he won't be able to play
how is it you were willing to buy two handhelds but won't invest in your computer to the point where it could play the Indivisible prototype?
>>318069067
It is for (you)
>>318068792
>Not investing in PS4
>Not investing in Nintendo NX
>Not investing in Linux. Skullgirls don't have Linux.
>>318057624
now please include Mike Z's butthurt replies in the thread about him doing it "because the animations were made at a different time and they're no longer acceptable"
WIP
I'll fuck her in the ass
>>318069067
5,000 people willing to give you $10 every month though?
>>318069346
it's funny because that post doesn't exist.
>>318069437
now this is obsession
by kalvin cline
>>318069121
Rationalise it all you like, but when you get caught stealing assets, it throws doubt on the development of the game.
>>318069437
>Yellow eyebrows
>Piccolo body
>>318068546
Not reason not to at this point.
Fuck, it someone stepped up and made a less furry CoC they'd have a stack of Patreon Pornbucks waiting for them.
>>318069437
Anon, is something the matter?
If something is troubling you; you can tell all the anons here and /adv/.
Obsession can ruin lives.
>>318069579
Seeing Breeding Season's money makes me want to kill myself.
>>318069532
It started as a cammy model... but then...I looked at her and said...
you know
>>318068897
If it requires X and didn't make it then there wasn't enough interest in said thing is there?
The actual amount is irrelevant if they don't make the amount due to lack of interest.
Otherwise why is it not getting funded quickly like other crowd funded projects where there is a very demonstrable market?
>>318069437
what_are_you_doing_femfreq.tiff
>>318069527
make it as irrational as you want but when you have your homages actually noticed, it reassures all hype for your homage game.
works both ways retard.
>>318069890
Why do I see this person everywhere?
Is she good What profession?
>>318069721
wasn't enough interest for what?
to get funded? this game looks like it will probably get funded if there's a reasonably sized final push
to make a profit? crowdfunded games with way less absolute values of interest made way more money than this would need to profit
to be a good game? game quality and interest are much more loosely related than one would initially believe and what i've seen of the game already and the previous quality of the output from this company leads me to believe these devs will take this in a good direction and pour a lot of work into making it into a quality experience.
>>318069682
Why kill yourself when you could use this knowledge to advance yourself and take advantage of a niche that's ripe for the picking?
>>318070074
She's an amazing animator
>>318070074
Mariel "Kinuko" Cartwright
lead animator for Lab Zero
also draws some light guro as part of mechafetus
>>318068862
The one who made it keeps memeing all the time on twitter, that's how.
>>318068862
It has a unique premise and is doing its own things at its own pace.
Meanwhile Indivisible is just a more diverse Valkyrie Profile with worse combat and no cool crystal shooting.
>>318070450
if you ever use VP's platforming as an example of something good then you have just gone full retard. the prototype's platforming is already way better than VP's dungeon traversal at its best.
Now they can work on skullgirls 2.
>>318053721
>Never played it. Think it's shit
oh ok lol
>>318070090
>Assumptions the post
Despite daily shilling here, and people going out of their their way to appeal to the SJW crowd on their relative boards, the game barely got its extension. And once it made the extension, it has trickled to a crawl.
Anyone who isn't the mythical whale they need has already given money to it. They are asking people to put in even more on top of what they already put in.
There is a very clear trend here that indicates there is no where near the interest in this game that the devs think there was. Otherwise they would have already been funded and no extension needed. Requiring the extension itself is fairly damning.
You have nothing but anecdotal evidence to assert your proof of interest in this game for what they are asking. Quality is subjective and irrelevant to what we are discussing, unless you are trying to tie it to interest, in which case I ask again why didn't it get funded already if it is such high quality and there for has a ton of interest as per your logic?
I don't think you actually know what you are arguing here.
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