Tell me again why you didn't side with Legion?
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Tell me again why you didn't side with Legion?
>>317987127
im not living bismuth
Noodles Added :)
cause it's stupid that you can even side with them.
NV is such a poorly written game. If the legion was so ruthless they would have impaled the courier at the sight.
It's such a pretentious piece of shit for people with horrible taste.
>>317987127
>/pol/ tier views
no thanks
>>317987487
is he ok?
>>317987364
They are ruthless. But why would they throw away a ticket to victory over the NCR?
>>317987487
f
>>317987364
Yeah, if they were stupid. Having the Courier alive and working for them was the only fucking thing that let them win.
>>317987487
>>>/b/
>>317987127
>trying to imitate the most advanced civilasation of its time by selectively refusing to use modern technology
>>317987487
he gone man.
he gone
The first time I encountered them, they were crucifying people and talking about how everyone has to burn except them. I did a bunch of drugs, killed them, and never looked back.
>>317987732
why is rodney dressed like an amish
>>317987542
Probably a seizure induced by getting his bell ringed. He'll be fine, not sure why they were doing CPR on the dude, all they need to do in a seizure is hold him still.
>>317987364
>NV is such a poorly written game. If the legion was so ruthless they would have impaled the courier at the sight.
Why?! They don't enslave everyone they meet, only large communities (NV presumably becomes their new capital), or tribals who will make good legionaries. They work with free people such as the merchant Dale Barton, and even protect caravans without demanding the exorbitant taxes levied on them when they travel through NCR territory.
So why wouldn't they wish to recruit a powerful mercenary?
>>317987491
>>>>>>/reddit/
Because both the real Caesar and the real Roman Empire fell pretty fucking hard. Not to mention, the real romans used plate armor and ballistas and shit against barbarians. The Legion puts on football pads, picks up some gardening equipment, and charges head first at men armed with anti material rifles. And they literally made it punishable by death to suggest these ideas are fucking stupid.
>>317987589
>>317987630
it is highly doubtful that their power crazy demi god leader would have such a political sensibility desu senpai.
>>317987127
isnt that what the legion does too though
>>317987127
rape and slavery and no power for women. Wouldn't make sense for a woman to join something that might delegitimize her any second
>>317987487
That is why you don't do what is happening in the vid - train at a boxing gym where the participants know not to hit full force, and the staff know CPR.
>>317987127
Because they're retards who dress like Roman soldiers which is retarded.
>>317988297
>cpr on a seizure
You're a retard
>>317988169
Yeah that only lasted, what, 400years? Dont even know
>>317987889
>The first time I encountered them, they were crucifying people and talking about how everyone has to burn except them. I did a bunch of drugs, killed them, and never looked back.
If you mean "The Town of Whores" they destroyed it for giving aid and comfort to the NCR, they wouldn't destroy, say, Goodsprings, or even rob it's people unless necessary.
>>317987127
Because I'm not going to side with Rawls.
Fuck you, Rawls.
>>317988120
Why are all puritans incapable of drawing? Not only did they have to shop a bunch of birds in, but they left the beak shadow on Reddit when it didn't even have a beak.
>>317987487
>the guy trying to perform CPR
>>317987487
No really did this motherfucker die or not
>>317987487
>just gives up after like 4 compressions
>>317988404
>>cpr on a seizure
>You're a retard
You're rude, I obviously meant "first aid", and if you notice they actually performed CPR in the vid, so...
>>317988090He actually died
Caesar is such a retard. He flat out gave you a golden ticket to stand right in front of him based on the knowledge that you were extremely capable and dangerous.
Think about it. Just waltz up to an NCR officer, explain the situation, then pick one of the many NCR soldiers willing to stand in your place with a bomb strapped to their chest. House was at least smart enough to put several walls and armed kill droids in between you two at all times, no matter what.
>not going into his camp and slaughtering all that legion trash while Cass puts a bullet in Caesars head
>>317987127
>When caesar comments on how you've meddling with the legion when you first meet him and sentences you to death.
>Haha, im just fucking with you.
thats when i signed up.
>>317987127
Effectively what he just said was we make people our slaves and force our culture upon them.
>>317988640
Yeah and it didn't do shit because the monkey's heart didn't stop, it's brain got fucked
>>317988253
>rape
I doubt they commit rape - they seem to disciplined. As I already said they don't enslave everyone, and have uses for non-Legion allies like the Courier, not to mention Caesar seems like a man of his word. They aren't suddenly going to clap irons on her and make her a breeding slave - if for no other reason than she's more use as an agent.
>>317988905
>the new slave girls seem very nice
>>317988829
>Yeah and it didn't do shit because the monkey's heart didn't stop, it's brain got fucked
Rude, racist, addicted to videogames - you must be a devil with the ladies!
>>317987487
Johnny Cage wins
Flawless Victory!NIGTALITY
Because you can't be the next Caesar
>>317988640
CPR is for people who can't breathe
Seizures, you're still breathing. The most you can do for a seizure victim is ensure their surroundings are safe and that their tounges aren't blocking the airways.
Though that second part may have changed recently like they change CPR all the time.
I did on two of my playthroughs because I was an edgelord.
>>317987127
Because I was a lady courier and it would have made no sense.
I did, and it was the shittiest run that I just rushed to completion. Legion choice = full retard. There's pretty much nothing redeeming about them, pure retarded villains.
>>317988965
>the new slave girls seem very nice
Oh you meant raping slaves, I thought you meant going to town on passing women.
>>317987127
>not going out of your way to kill Caeser and everyone else in the camp
>not wiping the cancer that is the Legion off the face of the fucking earth with your own hands
We'reReachingLevelsOfFaggotryThatShouldn'tEvenBePossible.jpg
>>317989139
>I doubt they rape, they're too disciplined
>ohh yeah, apart from all their rape slaves
anon, be honest with me, are you being srs right now
>>317988114
To be fair, despite its corruption the NCR does put their taxes to a good use
The NCR is not only massive, it is also fairly well developed, it has railroad connections between major cities, sanitation, public healthcare, an actual justice system etc. Sure its not without its problems but for the vast majority of people the NCR is pretty much as good as life gets in the wastes, the few who are actually capable of living without their aid are free to do so elsewhere but lets not pretend taxes are somehow evil.
>>317987127
Because I'm not an edgy sperglord with niggerdick envy
>>317988905
>I doubt they commit rape
>Legion
Bullshit
>b-b-but my political narrative!
>>317987127
I did. I killed Kaiser during surgery and let the Legate run the show though.
>>317988984
On /v/ - you must be a devil with the ladies!
>>317989139
>rape is justified if you enslave them first
legion fags
>>317987127
Because they didn't behave in any way like Rome. Caesar only took the name and some of the imagery of the SPQR because he wanted cool imagery to base his raider nation off of.
Go ahead and let me know about that historically accurate Rome that shunned technology and new ideas.
>>317989215
>an actual justice system
Why does a tip in NV say that the NCR aren't the law of the land and most criminals are put to death?
>>317988905
>I doubt they commit rape
Yeah I'm sure. Disciplined soldiers raping anything they can get their hands on? What a prosperous concept. Never happens. #Supportourlegionnaires
>>317989165
None of that applies to me except not being racist.
>>317989326
Because the Mojave isn't NCR territory. They're trying to absorb it into their country. Not defending the NCR's behaviour or whatever, just saying that in California they're an actual functioning nation.
>>317989120
I mean they had a pretty nazi-esque attitude it's not like we didn't have those kind of people in real life but it's pretty obvious Legion is about to go fuck itself the moment Caesar dies.
Because it's built on a pillar of sand. Most of Caesar's troops are shown to be loyal to him, not his ideals. As soon as he goes, his precious empire will collapse into barbarism and eventually destroy itself. It's almost assured considering a psychopath like Lanius is set to succeed him.
Plus the fact that Caesar himself is a hypocritical, petulant child who throws a temper tantrum whenever things don't go his way.
>>317988530
yes. he is dead, when people seize up like that and then go limp, it means they are gone.
>>317989472
Nolan? That you?
>>317988680
That's a good idea. I think I'll do it soon. Might as well get me that one achievement for killing Caesar with a knife for historical accuracy.
>>317989326
Most of the land isn't officially under NCR jurisdiction and those that are are under military law.
Slavery and rape are morally wrong.
>>317988905
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Siri
>If the Courier is female, she will comment about how long it was since she saw a free woman, and warn you to look out since she overheard some legionaries whispering about "trying you out."
>>317988408
It lasted about a millenia.
>>317987491
fuck off goldstein
>Actually like Legion as the necessary evil faction
>They aren't expanded upon at all which kinda sucks
The main problem is that Legion is Legion but Caeser is in charge and when he dies then the whole thing will go down in flames
>>317989604
>real Roman Empire fell pretty fucking hard
>implying the byzantine empire wasn't true rome
>>317989619
That's hot - I made my Courier the sexiest, sluttiest bitch ever, she'd thoroughly deserve to be pinned down on the filthy ground and used like a whore by 3-4 muscular young brutes. By the time the last had finished the first would probably want another turn ;^)
>>317989604
The survival of society is the ultimate moral aim.
>>317989732
>necessary evil
>when there are multiple examples of functioning, stable and growing socieites that do not rely on authoritarian totalitarianism to get things done
You might have a point if the Fallout universe was set like 20 years after the war and the war was on a much larger scale to the point where there was a very real chance of humanity being wiped out if extremely strict discipline was not adhered to.
But that's not and never been what it's about. Caesar's Legion makes zero sense in this world, especially as a "necessary evil."
>>317989326
The Mojave is frontier land and contested territory. NCR is a much more civilized place with working factories that at the very least produce guns and textiles. The Nevada Mojave is only held by the NCR and not actually annexed, much like the Louisiana territory with New Vegas being an isloated city-state. Legion also holds territory in Arizona, New Mexico and Utah, but they don't actually control the lands yet, just hold claim.
Sacramento, Redding and Shady Sands are quite civilized and Two-Sun and Santa Fe are supposed to be very much more like Rome, pre-Pax Romana.
>>317989707
Fuck off back to /pol/ and cirklejerk about muh germanic culture which was a bunch of nigger tier mudhuts while mediterraneans had proper civilizations.
>>317989619
That's just idle talk, the Courier is under Caesar's protection - they'd probably be castrated and crucified.
Anyway, enough shitposting
Did you let go?
I'm starting another NV game, what kind of build should I go for?
>>317989926
Your idea looks pretty cool. A fallout game set in a recently bombed wasteland, during the worst period of raiding, murder, rape and violence overall. And then the legion can actually be seen as something interesting and possibly necessary.
>>317987127
Because I hate noodles.
>>317988769
Loved that as well. He acts like the dictator he is, who doesn't count the minor stuff, because he knows the important win is the Dam. Felt so much more different than NCR and House, it was great. Too bad Legion didn't get the fleshing out it deserved.
>Tricked by the Courier and imprisoned by the Legion, Arcade remained Caesar's personal physician for several years. Caesar grew fond of speaking with such an educated man on philosophical matters. Arcade became his unwilling intellectual sparring partner. After years of such servitude, during an unguarded moment, Arcade used a surgical scalpel and his bare hands to disembowel himself. Lacking any other skilled medical personnel, the Legion was unable to prevent his death. Caesar mourned his loss for months.
One of my favorite endings desu.
>>317988668
I don't think NCR really had the balls to do that. I'm sure one or two soldiers would be patriotic to do it, but it's above 'civilized' society or whatever. And even if you were capable and dangerous, realistically would you be worried when you had the person you wanted to talk to surrounded by an entire Legion camp and praetorians everywhere. No one is that good, but he made the mistake of underestimating you I guess.
>>317989732
I think it's weird that he never thought past his death considering he's put so many of his years of his life into building his Legacy. I haven't played NV in a while, but I'm pretty sure he has no plan for it. And even if he did have a plan of a successor or something, he's put so much into the fear of Caesar himself that even Lanius would have a hard time controlling anything having to go around slaughtering and pacifying rogue tribals. NCR would have a much easier time of pushing back against a fractured Legion.
>>317987127Because I was hungry
>>317989984
Except we're not discussing the rape of the Courier specifically, we're discussing the existence of rape as perpetrated by soldiers in the Legion. And if you think they don't rape then you're just flat out wrong.
>>317989987
"tgm"
>>317990137
Melee/Melee weapons. It's satisfying as shit blowing people's heads off with a punch.
>>317987127
Because I could be a greater leader with mr houses empire under my control.
>>317989987
I didn't have enough carry weight ;-;
>>317989935
Legion is a lot more rugged than the NRC simply because its way younger and partially because its not as technologically advanced
I'd say legion would most likely resemble not the roman empire per se but rather the mongol empire given how it formed and operated
meanwhile the NCR is a full on early industrial nation with the outer territories being its colonies.
>>317989926
There's no doubt that there are settelment that can thrive on their own without executing degenerates but you can't ignore the fact that Legion lands are the safest in which everything is smooth sailing for traders because they don't get fucked over by raiders
In NV, Legion and House are the only non-retarded options so if you don't agree with Legion then House is the only choice left which is quite simillar to Legion in terms of leadership and executing their ideals
>>317989987
>he didnt carry them all out of there by putting them on a corpse and carrying the corpse out
Why would I let go when I didnt have to
>>317990569
Depends what you mean by "safest." They're safe from external threats. They're not safe from the Legion. If you're living in Legion lands, you're "safe"... unless you step out of line in any way or don't do whatever the Legion tells you to do.
Then you're fucking dead, or a slave. So how safe are you really?
And no, the Legion is an absolutely retarded option. In fact it's the only actual retarded option in the game. Every other faction choice, including Wild Card, makes more sense and is more justifiable of a choice than the Legion.
>>317990569
Caesar's legion is safe for now, however it is an entirely war oriented society that is, without heavy reforms, destined for a major collapse when it either runs into an enemy that won't yield or when they run out of enemies.
Caesar is in desperate need of an Augustus, sadly his successor is Lanius.
The legion is a short term solution in every possible way, at least the NCR has proven its in for the long haul.
>>317990137
STEALTH ARCHER
>>317989926
Caesar's legion makes sense in the taming of the violent raider tribes ever to have existed. He's taking chem swilling cannibal rapists and turning them towards a singular goal and wiping out the savageness, superstition and tribalness that is plaguing the Mojave. By effectively destroying all culture and homogenizing them into one well greased war machine, Caesar is able to destory the Raider menace and instill the foundation of a nation. He has no guns, he has no supplies but he does have numbers and bodies and most of all loyalty.
He's trying to do that which Rome did to Europe, destroy the pagan culture and convert everyone into becoming Roman. There's a reason why all up and down western europe despite language barriers we are culturally more compatible with each other and generally civilized in our dealings. Rome destroyed the tribal systems in place and when they were in their decline, we emulated the system they instilled quite well with kings, courts and nobles ruling peasants and everyone answering to a hierarchy to one central figure, the Pope (Aka, God) until the English decided to give him the him the finger.
The important thing to remember however that even though the world was wipe mostly clean in the nuclear apocolypse, remnant of our cultures and values remained. Caesar's legion is abhorrent to these values that survived in the NCR and even Caesar's own people, the Mormon tribes. He is utterly evil, but his intentions are simultaneously noble, but abhorrent. He's attempting to replace one evil with a lesser evil down the road by wielding a greater. To him there is no peace without order.
The Legion is a perfect example of brilliant ideals with shitty execution. Just like every communist nation. It sounds nice, but literally never works. NCR rule is the safe bet. Sure it's bureaucratic and corrupt, but so is every successful first-world government today. It's built on strong foundations, and is difficult to topple.
It still boggles my mind that Caesar hasn't invested on making Centurion Power armor with Roman esque shields and welding long Chainswords...you know how fucking unstoppable they'd be? Shame the Legion is too retarded with technology.
Because I'd be poor as fuck if it wasn't for all the free loot those kill squads get me
>>317990935
they simply are not capable of using proper power armor
if the NCR, with all its knowledge and industrial base has issues operating power armor then what luck does Caesar have?
>>317987127
Because of their retarded anti-technology bent and the fact that they had an ongoing "whos crazier?" contest with the fiends.
Caesar himself was literally the only one with any kind of real long term plan but said plan is fucking garbage.
>>317989987
naw i role played a mercantile type of character with a side of melee. So i was always rolling in that mad dosh so it wasn't even tempting
>>317990885
Except he isn't wiping out savageness or tribalness, he's just turning them to his goal of conquest. The Legion is incredibly savage. They're a raping, pillaging, torturing, enslaving, murdering army. That's all they do. And they're destroying all culture but not replacing it with anything because the Legion has no culture. Oh and they do have guns, play the game dude, the vast majority of their soldiers use guns.
He's not doing what Rome did because Rome had a system of government, a culture, architecture, infrastructure, arts and philosophy. The Legion doesn't have any of this. In fact they're so not Rome that they actively shun new technology, which is what the actual Rome thrived on. So stop trying to push the idea that the Legion is anything at all like Rome. Caesar took the stylings of Rome and applied it to his raider band, but they don't resemble that empire in any way but the superficial.
>>317991135
The Courier? When I went with the Legion on my third playthrough I was decked out in tesla remnant armore with my beautiful plasma caster and max intelligence and science.. it can't be that hard to make a few suits of t-51b, giant claymore rippers and only issue it to the most elite of legion soldiers and call them " the sons of Caesar". The NCR would be doomed.
>>317987127
HATE TRIBALS
imho the biggest flaws with all the factions but the NCR is that they rely way to hard on the person in charge when its not guaranteed they'll be around forever (not even for house, sure his defenses are top notch but it only takes 1 person to get lucky once)
>>317988120
/pol/ may not be able to draw, but their gifs/webms are top tier.
>>317991353
the NCR obliterated the brotherhood of steel's armies
a few tribals in power armor they barely know how to use is not going to be a significant issue because no matter how smart the courier, the NCR simply has vastly more experience fighting power armor than the legion has using it.
Also you need various resources to keep power armor functional in large quantities, resources that require the very technology caesar shuns
>>317991085
>jury-rig the 12.7mm SMG to full condition
>jury-rig their marksman carbines and whatever
>jury-rig whatever expensive melee weapons they had
>jury-rig all their clothes
>clean out gun-runner bot
ALL THIS FUCKING MONEY
>>317988568
Maybe someone told him to stop trying to fix a fucking seizure with cpr
>>317988461
They would murder every man in goodsprings and enslave the women
>>317989987
Fuck no. I grabbed every last bar and waddled my way out of that death trap.
>>317991286
The Legion troops are only a snapshot of what life is back home for them. These are the Centurions, not the everyday populace. While legion life is brutal and spartan compared to the NCR, it is safe and stable with established culture and while primitive, a proper civilization. They are literate, there is government, there are roads and agriculture. What they lack is industry and the good things we have in a modern society, equal rights, women's suffrage and personal agency.
The traders who deal with the legion talk about how they're not savages. But they don't dismiss the cruelty of life there.
>No modern tech or medicine
>except this auto doc in my text
>>317987127
Because Caesar was a cunt, just like all the rest of the factions.
>>317989987
Of course not, what am I dumb?
Fuck your lessons, there's money to be made.
>>317991631
The only probability I can see the Brotherhood losing from the NCR Is Pulse grenades which electrocute the wearer or they run out of ammo and then peppered by lots ofservice rifles all at once. In the battle of Hoover dam I was shredding them apart like paper...I really don't think it's possible to lose if you got a really big gun and lots of ammo and a freaking tank exo-suit.
>>317990569
Yeah they are safe like 1984 London was safe
>>317992024
Bad guy leader is hypocrite, news at 11.
>>317988642
Well yeah, giving chest compressions to someone who doesn't need it can do that.
>>317987127
Hm... they have noodles...
>>317989604
>morally
This word is meaningless. There are plenty of religions that condone slavery and what would be considered rape by modern standards.
What you mean is "I don't like slavery and rape".
>>317991870
And back home its "don't say shit about our cult of personality or else" Who the fuck is going to say any bad about the Legion in the middle of their fucking camp
Too cruel.
The treatment of slaves and soldiers is waaaay too harsh. They don't even give their soldiers guns.
I don't know how their citizens are treated, but from what Cass and that one guy outside the fort describe, it's fairly well.
Also I don't like how they are hypocritical technophobes, sometimes using new technology but also shunning it.
does anyone here seriously think the Legion could actually win against the NCR in a full on war?
>>317992426
Do you like slavery and rape?
>>317992101
The brotherhood loses to the NCR purely because the NCR so vastly outnumbers them.
The battle of hoover dam for the player isn't a good example because the shit engine cannot do large fights.
If you had to face off against hundreds of NCR troops at once the only thing saving you would be timestopping stimpack use.
>>317987127
>homogenous
Faaaaaaaaaaaaaag
>>317992101
They lost at the power plant because there was like 50-1 men against the BoS. The problem with the BoS is they has very small numbers in comparison to everyone else because they refuse anyone they isn't 'pure'
>>317992436
And fallout faction that shuns shit like stimpack are just fucked
>>317992446
Absolutely not.
Even Lanius realizes this.
The Legion would spread itself too thin and fold like paper.
>>317992519
Do I decide objective morality?
>>317989192
It's nice seeing game devs who actually think about what they put in a game beyond 'because it's cool dude :)'
>>317992625
They also had power armor in working condition that wasn't scavenged from somewhere and were trained in its use from adolescence
Legion getting its hands on 20 suits in working condition would be impressive
>>317987127
REMOVE LEGION remove legion
you are worst tribal. you are the tribal idiot you are the tribal smell. return to Arizona. to our arizona cousins you may come our republic. you may live in the zoo….ahahahaha ,colorado we will never forgeve you. cetnik rascal FUck but fuck asshole legion stink arizona sqhipere shqipare..Hoover Dam genocide best day of my life. take a bath of dead legion..ahahahahahARIZONA WE WILL GET YOU!! do not forget hoover dam .hoover dam we kill the burning man , caesar return to your precious arizona….hahahahaha idiot tribal and legion smell so bad..wow i can smell it. REMOVE LEGION FROM THE PREMISES.
because I was too busy killing them all, fucking degenerates
>>317992728
Not to mention if Ceacer died, what parts of the legion the decide to follow Lanias would burn themselves right into the ground fighting everyone else
The way I saw it was that the Legion were realists, and the NCR were the diametrically opposed idealists.
Neither was correct. And I would have loved to see or hear more of Legion territory proper.
Regardless they created conflict in the setting, which is the cornerstone of storytelling. It didn't matter whether you agreed with them or not, so long as you thought about what that entailed and whether your character agreed with it.
In many ways Caesar was leading the Legion in the right direction that would result in long term survival of the people, but there was still stuff that could need to be ironed out for it to be completely stable without the constant threat of force.
>>317992765
If you want to.
I'm not stopping you.
>>317992785
Though I doubt they would be able to use them to even a fraction of their potential. They are more likely to strip them for armor scraps then anything else
>>317991635
how the fuck else are you supposed to fix a seizure? People who have seizures stop breathing for a while, after a certain period of time it's CPR or brain damage
>>317992791
>benny dead too
you monster
>>317992785
This
With my courier I really wish there was an option to destroy everyone in the Brotherhood bunker, loot all of their power armor and technology and convince Caesar to allow me to train/distribute it to the Legions best aND turn them into spartans...now with fallout 4 power armor can you fucking imagine?
>>317992853
>In many ways Caesar was leading the Legion in the right direction that would result in long term survival of the people, but there was still stuff that could need to be ironed out for it to be completely stable without the constant threat of force
What happens to a war machine that runs out of things to fight
>>317993026
I really wish your mother had used preservatives.
Hint : Fuck you.
ALso, centurion already use parts of Power armor in their hodgepodge shit they wear.
>>317992728
not only that but hoover dam was basically the fist of the legion fighting a single finger of the NCR
even if they lose it, that's going to be the NCR's pearl harbor.
6 months later they've gotten rid of their president, elected someone with balls and turned their entire industrial complex to war economy mode. If the legion tries to take that on they're in deep fucking shit.
Heck in many ways losing hoover dam might be the best possible thing for the NCR and assassinating their president? That's doing them a favor, same with killing General Oliver.
I wonder if Caesar knows just what he's doing to the NCR.
>>317993026
I think it would be better to raise deathclaws from hatch, train them like guard dogs
>>317992853
>Legion
>realists
They're ideologically driven to the point where they will refuse to use technology or incorporate it into their culture/war machine because of their ideology.
>>317992956
That would be where the Courier steps in, slaps them across the face and lectures/ demonstrates how to use power armor at its full potential "an empty mind is a vessel for knowledge". With these Spartans armed with Miniguns, Giant rippers and spiked supersledges...just think of the destruction.
So about the ending where the Great Khans forge themselves an empire
Anyone else have a mental image of them, somewhere along the lines, finding a motorcycle factory and then in full on mongol style start using those as their version of horse archers?
>>317988169
>>317989834
Rome never really 'fell' as an empire. It just kind of petered out because everyone with money moved out to the country to live relatively independently because the legions were too stretched to protect their assets. The city itself continued on, even with the odd invasion, but it lost control of its outlying domains because they became self sufficient.
In fact it wasn't for hundreds of years into the settlement of barbarian kingdoms that anyone really realised that the empire wasn't exactly there anymore.
>nationalism destroys identity
What
>>317993230
Why would they listen to this arrogant profligate?
Caeser would have to give the order, and he shows no signs of wanting to do anything like that.
>>317993230
Too bad that would go against the base ideologies of the Legion. Why not go wildcard and build your own army?
>>317993412
You see that's where high charisma comes to play, any stubborn bastard can't say "no" to the Courier.
>>317993230
They'd have absolutely no clue about proper power armor tactics and just apply their regular ones, with delusions of invincibility and run straight into Ranger vet traps and get 50cal worth of explosive ammunition shoved up their weak spots while they're trying to deal with walking into an emp mine
>>317993380
>doing anything other than slaughtering the great khans
Literally nothing was wrong with Bittersprings.
>all these threads all the time on who was the best end result for New Vegas
>almost no threads on the brotherhood vs the enclave in fallout 3
>almost no threads on the blades vs parthunax or nords vs the empire in skyrim
and people still say fallout new vegas is shit
>>317993380
God them and the Followers probably made a better empire then anything Ceacer dreamed
>>317993545
I know, but the idea of motorcycle mongols is just appealing to me
terrifying warriors trained from birth to ride the great hogs and shoot while driving with almost impossible accuracy
>>317992765
>>317992426
I dont know about you but, I kind of consider myself better than someone who enslaves and rapes.
>>317993545
Great Kahns were shit but they have the potential to be something great, better then the legion at least. And their ending slide shows that
>>317993757
You do right up until you're enslaved and raped because they had a larger group with more guns.
>>317991771
In the Legion ending they literally ignore it but lots of Goodspringers get scared and leave anyway.
>>317989987
>not understanding that Elijah was driven crazy by his desire to impose order on the Wastes
>not taking as much as you could while still surviving, the key to life in the wasteland
>believing that humanity can be trusted to impose morals on others after the War and your adventure through the ruined villa which signifies humanity's sins of lust, greed, and pride
>completely missing the point of Fallout
>>317987127
I sided with a better game.
>>317993757
"better" is not a metric
>>317993825
They basically got an idiot savant of chemistry. And good fighters, apparently. I could see them as mercenary and scouts in uncharted territory
Because I have faith in the NCR.
>>317993387
Nationalists are socialists
and socialists ARE FUGGIN GOMMIES
>Not understanding the gravity of the Legion's imminent takeover of Primm, Sheriff Primm Slim valiantly attempts to resist Caesar's will.
Imagine this fucking scene, hundreds of legion soldiers about to take Primm, the villagers all holed up inside and then out steps Primm Slim to face them all, by himself if needs be, because that's what a sheriff does.
Then they charge, and shoot but no matter how many times he gets shot, no matter how badly his body is broken and burning he doesn't give up as long as there's a single spark left in his battery.
Who /Yes Man/ here?
>>317994445
The sheriff is joined by loyal acolyte, Deputy Fisto.
>>317994471
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwOJYBYwOhA
Is there any way to keep McNamara as Elder and also have the Brotherhood help you at the Dam if you go Yes Man?
>>317987259
Underrated
>>317993230
Nice headcanon. Samus is trans too
>>317994445
Primm Slim was too good for us
>>317993003
If you spared him, he was supposed to come back later and try to kill you again for no other reason then because he's a fucking rat fink bastard.
>>317995292
Well they cut that, so it's not canon mate.
>>317995475
it is completely and utterly what Benny would do though, don't try to disagree
>>317995605
He's smarter than that, he'd go find some other big fish.
>>317993043
Which is a point Caesar raised. And part of why I would like to see what happen post-NV since there should be some serious internal strife regardless of what the outcome of the dam and Caesar living was.
>>317993201
But that also fed into their doctrine of making them strong enough to survive without relying upon technology. It was a valid ideal. Though you are partially correct that it also went in the face of survival at any cost.
Once again this is something I would have loved explored since I can imagine some faction of the Legion being pro-tech, or at least arguing the case. Especially if they see how the BoS survived all these years despite their numbers.
Like them trying to form some faux Legion of Steel.
>>317989907
What is the purpose of society?
>>317993969
The Courier wasn't exactly doing badly without caps
>>317995795
Survival ya ninny
>>317993387
Yes
Conformity to national culture destroys individual people's identities
>>317993003
>shoots you in the fucking face
>b-but Benny did nothing wrong
NVfags are this delusional
>>317995939
>>317994290
I agree but what the hell is up with that hunting rifle?
>>317988503
That's drool, you dip.
Did you guys go for normal guns or energy weapons in the game?
I'm loving both sides. It's so satisfying to blow some niggas from up close with the riot shotgun, but the fully-moded tri-laser rifle is god-tier with damage, reach and that awesome plasma explosion perk.
>>317996174
He's not a dip, the other birds have that shadow.
unless they're all drooling too
>>317995917
You can do that just fine without society ya dope. A little better, even. If you learn some self reliance and live out in some woods or whatever you'll have a harder life, but you're chance of *surviving* is probably higher since you're less likely to get stabbed by urban youth or genocided by some maniacal government
Think harder
because caesar was a dumb faggot with literal brain cancer
>>317996290
>but you're chance of *surviving* is probably higher since you're less likely to get stabbed by urban youth or genocided by some maniacal government
Even healthcare alone gives you more chance in a society, the lone survivor can only learn skills by himself, or from others. There's no way someones chance of survival is increased without being in some form of society
It was a great feeling to complete the Even a God King Can Bleed challenge.
>>317987487
>guy has seizure
>kids do EVERYTHING you're not supposed to do
>lie him on his back
>hold him still
>CPR
>>317989387
you have been here for like, what three days?
>>317996584
This is why first aid should be taught in school.
why the hell isn't it.
>>317992426
Religion=/=Morality
You can have objective morality without religion.
>>317996584
I think most schools have some sort of required health class. I learned about seizures in 9th grade health and fitness iirc.
>>317996253
I wanted to go full normal guns, the full Veteran Ranger experience. Then I found the Q-35 and suddenly all my points went into Energy Weapons
>>317992160
>>317988090
Read about fencing response, you dumb retard.
>>317996978
its not even that great
you want full on energy weapons massacre? put points into repair and get yourself a LAER
that said my favorite playthrough was explosives with the project nevada modifications to it
>>317992426
Fine.
Slavery and rape are ethically wrong.
>>317996457
A lot of the ailments modern medicine treats are caused by our domesticated lifestyle, people sitting on their asses and eating shit food.
You could theoretically have knowledge sharing without having the hard interdependence and resultant norm enforcement of a society. That's not an issue
Society comes with it's own set of risks to an individual human. It forces us to trust other humans and exposes us to the dangers of criminals as well as the whims of cultures, politics and goverments. We accept these risks because society simply makes our lives easier and more pleasant. Collaboration, technology, infrastructure, social support, enjoyment of purely emotional endeavors such as the arts. Things like these are why we value society, not mere survival.
>>317987127
because kaisar is a retarded shitbag on deaths door, anything ruled over by him will die with him, leaving whatever shitheap he ruled over to just crumble and fade away leaving nothing but hordes of infighting raiders.
>>317988461
>If you mean "The Town of Whores" they destroyed it for giving aid and comfort to the NCR, they wouldn't destroy, say, Goodsprings, or even rob it's people unless necessary.
You misunderstood why that shithole got turned in to a fucking graveyard.
Nipton wasn't a great place, but it was a neutral ground where NCR and Powder Ganger alike could come and blow a load in some whores as equal. As long as you had money, and presumably didn't try shooting eachother, all people were welcome. Now earning money in morally questionable ways is one thing, but Nipton turned around and betrayed the guests they invited in to their walls for money. A pittance if you believe the legion officer that did it.
This is why Nipton burned. It wasn't the whoring. It wasn't the booze. It wasn't that they serve NCR or criminal alike. They were traitors plain and simple. They owed their guests allegiance by virtue of the hospitality granted, and they sold them out.
The Legion does not tolerate traitors. If they wanted to burn the town cause it was NCR, they would have just rolled in and done so. Instead, they used a convoluted plot to make the native populace put the noose on themselves. Ask yourself why they used such elaborate and unnecessary methods on Nipton alone?
It was an example and warning to everyone. Traitors will not be tolerated. If Nipton hadn't agreed to hand the NCR and Powder Gangers over, I'm not sure Vulpes would have even touched the town.
>>317987281
yum! :)
I really really really really really really really really want /pol/ to leave. It's starting to get awful.
>>317996853
Morality can't be objective without religion or some fixed doctrine of good/bad. It is literally a consensus agreement of people that X is good or bad. It stems from the 'Things go better when we work together' mentality that can be seen in nature as well.
Whether the thing is ethical or not is a different matter.
>>317993879
What if there was a group with more guns than anyone and they said "no enslaving and no raping"
That's pretty much what governments are
>>317997574
Morality = Socalised
Ethics = Historically, Scientifically proven.
Not the guy you were replying to, but that's pretty much it isn't it? I mean we can change morality in groups but ethics are based on cold hard truths.
>>317989987
I took one as a souvenir. I don't get why people when through so much trouble trying to take all of it. It's easy to get rich in the game anyway. Just take everything and sell everything you cant use.
>>317996994
>fencing response
Okay, now that I've read up a bit on it, you tell me how that negates what I said about performing chest compressions on a person who's not suffering from cardiac arrest can in fact cause ventricular fibrillation and kill them.
>>317997780
I took it all
didn't even bother selling it, I made a pyramid with them in my home
![1563495-falloutnewvegasboxartntsc[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UAZRsrA.jpg "1563495-falloutnewvegasboxartntsc[1]")
>game's signature armor, looks sexy as all hell
>it's faction armor
Fuck. Can't even wear it without half the game attacking my ass.
>>317997780
Decorations you silly smug cat poster.
>>317987127
>>317987127
Like I had a choice.
Boone went batshit crazy the minute my character walked in.
>Boone is best buddy
>Boone is insta gib all comers
>Boone is truly the New Vegas
>>317997475
I know, they don't understand that racism was just a joke and take it to seriously.
They are seriously racist. In 2015.
>>317997904
Get a mod, cod.
>>317997904
Two of the DLC's have nonfaction versions.
>>317997904
lonesome road
>>317997873
>>317997908
i used my one gold bar as a decoration too
>>317987127
I do not agree with any of their methods and practices.
>>317996253
Right now I don't use anything but hand to hand, but only if necessary. I'm doing a high roller run with 4 bodyguards killing everything for me while I do all the talking and bartering.
Might go guns though as soon as I get Maria just to throw a few potshots in VATS hoping to activate Mysterious Stranger or Miss Fortune.
>>317997975
It baffles me that somewhere along the line, 4chan became legitimately racist.
Now you can't make any sort of racist jokes without your post looking like it's from /pol/.
>>317997735
Pretty sure that morality is just the consensus. Where as ethics revolves around the impact on the individual, and whether it is a positive or negative outcome for them.
E.g. Slavery could be moral because the majority agree with it, but it might not be ethical since it inhibits the freedom of that individual slave.
Where you get into some gray area is something like slavery not being the traditional view we have of it where people are disposable trash if they are a slave, and instead whilst having no rights under the law do have protections and the ability to get out of slavery via legal means.
In the end slavery is an extension of survival of the fittest. Which is why it can be interesting to explore since humanity has gone against that principle for a long time now.
>>317997975
>"Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company."
It was inevitable
>>317998065
wondering is there a mod that turns the gold bars into throwable weapons?
I'd love the idea of using a gold brick as weapon while dressed in a fancy suit
Step 1: Ascend from darkness
Step 2: Unleash the horde
Step 3: Rain fire upon the Bull
Step 4: Secure the Dam
Step 5: Wield a fist of iron on the Mojave
Step 6: Skewer the Bear
Step 7: Bury the old Steel
Step 8: Civilization
>>317988568
>4 compressions
>putting on hand on their chest and half-heartedly pushing down is a compression
EIther way they're dum-dums.
>>317997975
I can't believe people seriously do THING in CURRENT YEAR.
Ugh, so toxic.
>>317998161
>In the end slavery is an extension of survival of the fittest. Which is why it can be interesting to explore since humanity has gone against that principle for a long time now.
Well it's interesting that the Bible allows slavery (Even though I've only read ad-hoc interpretations) I wonder if they saw it nesesesary for long term, or if they just wanted more power.
Which would make an interesting justification in the fallout universe, someone finds a bible and justifies a bunch of shit through interpretations.
I would have really liked to have seen more of the new canaanites in NV, I hope Obsid make fallout game with those guys as a faction.
>>317997146
My repair isn't great enough for Jury Rigging. I've got a few LAERs lying around but I'm not willing to use them because I can't repair them easily.
>>317998161
We have gone from Survival of the Fittest [Bodies] to Survival of the Fittest [Ideas]
Dank memetic evolution
>>317996584
Why is holding him still bad?
>>317998383
Go home, Reznov. You've been hamfisted into enough games.
>>317989987
I never saw merchants and money being very valuable in the fallout games. If you need food and ammo there's usually enough low level mobs to farm off of or scavange. Merchant rarely sell something unique that you can't obtain otherwise or directly steal from them. They usually have so little money themselves and value your stuff at shit for most of the game, you might as well not bother doing business with them, just murder
>>317992791
underrated as fuck
>>317995292
>rat fink bastard
You
I like you
>>317997424
Seriously, Nipton was an example of the legion doing something good for a change. Vulpes even says it himself, if the town had actually fucking resisted their insane executions instead of lining up like lambs for the slaughter the legion would've easily lost that fight.
Nipton deserved everything that happened to do them.
>>317998251
>Bad guy monologuing about the evil thing he is about to do
>Out of no where a gold brick comes flying and clocks him unconscious
>"Not today you don't!"
But what would your name be? The Gold Standard? The Crimson Capitalist? Goldie Chucks?
But friend, I like your style.
>>317998774
except there's various pieces of evidence strewn around the town that they DID resist, but were beaten down by superior force
>>317998652
They're pretty important in all the games for me
1,2 had me trading up stuff just to get a better gun or ammo usually
3 NV and 4 is all about ammo, I'd trade heaps just so I can shoot niggas
>>317998996
There's evidence that around 3 people resisted.
No evidence that most of them did anything other than line up and get executed.
>>317998485
Exactly. I want to explore the clash of ideals vs ideals, and vs reality. In a harsh setting.
>>317998554
The memes jack. Which is also interesting given the idea of a memetic legacy.
Is it any wonder this current generation is going to shit when the traditional values handed down through generations that kept us alive and thriving are being drowned out by inane shit?
People already struggled to think for themselves. There is even less hope of it now.
I mean you have people seriously arguing for the repeal of freedom of speech.
>>317995795
Ensuring the longevity and, if need be, legacy of the human species.
>>317999173
Yah all those dead people in the hall look like they lined up against a wall. You think he might just be lying to promote propaganda
>>317998996
By then the town had already gathered everyone up and rendered themselves vulnerable. As a collective, the town sold out the NCR and Powder Gangers they had housed and given hospitality.
By then it was too late, and they were only resisting because they regretted being traitorous dipshits. Even if you go by the Kenshiro school of evenhanded wasteland justice,you don't spare someone at that point. It's REALLY easy to claim you'll change your ways when the prospect of death is upon you.
>>317999173
and yet the legion had to wait until everyone with combat training was already dead before even starting their plan
bet you it would have gone vastly different had the NCR troopers been alive
Legion is just as cowardly as the so called degenerates they despise
>>317999463
>>317999368
The people with combat experience? You mean the people that the rest of the town either sold out or let die thinking they'd be spared?
>>317999409
It doesn't matter what message they wanted to send because all they left was dying people nailed to crosses. Which just makes everyone hate them even more
>>317987259
/thread
>>317994445
>yfw you learn Primm Slim is literally the most durable NPC in the entire game
That beautiful, heroic bastard. This requires a companion mod.
>>317998485
in biblical times, many cases the alternative to being a slave was just outright starvation or dying to the elements. it would've balanced the bad with some good in that case
>>317999595
Again, you are taking dogfuckers word on this. Why should we believe him when his insistence that no one resisted has been proven a falsehood.
>>317987589
They threw away lotto tickets to the smell of that sweet air so this isn't a surprise.
>>317999463
You miss the entire point of Nipton.
If they wanted the mount an invading force, they probably could have brought many more men and shitstomped the town. Instead they used a small force and a convoluted plot that was absolutely dependent on the native populace doing all their work for them under the promise of payment for the deed.
Consider it a test. Had the populace said no and simply told the Legion to get lost, they couldn't have done anything. The collective military presence of the Powder Gangers, NCR, and armed civilians could have stopped such a meager force with ease.
Instead they disarmed and rendered themselves helpless. By then it's too late. Too late even for regret. Regret felt over impending death does not reform the invidual. It's just the death wail of scum.
>>317999747
They spared several people before the courier even came along precisely so they could carry the message of Nipton with them. Then they gave the message of Nipton to you as well just to be sure.
Did you not pay attention to a single thing Vulpes said?
>>317999829
But no one is starving to death as far as we can see. You are more likely to be killed by a deathclaw or a gun then anything else. Being a legion slave is not a good alternate to being some bumfuck farmer
>>317994445
>>317999824
I make this glorious asshole the sheriff in every single playthrough. I can't stand it being any other way.
>>317999297
People are thinking for themselves more than ever. There wasn't exactly a free marketplace of ideas in the Bronze Age, or during the Nationalist 19th century. Freedom of Speech is itself a relatively new concept.
It's easy to look around and be discouraged by people parroting dumb shit on facebook or following the Kardashians or whatever.. but at least they chose to do those things, rather than just acting in that way because of the social caste they were born into or because a government is forcing them to.
>>318000030
No I killed him the first time because what the fuck am I suppose to think when I find them standing in the middle of a massacred town talking about how great they are. Also all those people are fucking dead from radscorpions
>>318000030
Or they might have left, come back with a bigger force and killed/enslaved everyone since this played out like Jokers test from dark knight
Dogfucker has the same outlook as the Joker
I went with legion
It seems to me that the wasteland is in need of order. All throughout the mojave people are just going crazy, powder gangers, fiends, drugaddicts and thugs.
While the legions tactics are often cruel i believe that they serve a powerful function of creating order. basically saying that these are the consequences of certain actions.
The legion rely on primitive weapons as a way of learning to create and provide for yourself instead of living in the remains of what's left of the old world.
Ceaser is creating a new society from the ground up. it may seem like a rough way of doing it but when you're trying to rebuild humanity you have to do what it takes.
>>318000526
A larger force would've been noticed by the NCR.
>>317988169
Rome lasted a long fucking time dude, a lot longer than the NCR's empire-fu the USA, Rome turned into the Byzantine Empire, the USA turned into a pile of ashes
>>317987487
What the fuck?
He punches him fucking once and he's like *puff* - gone?
How the fuck is that even possible?
>>317987259
/thread
Fuck the legion's backwards edgelord bullshit. Also fuck ncr they dont need to annex new vegas to survive. And why we're at it fuck the wild card outcome the courier doesnt know dick about leading a nation nor is he/she interested in doing so.
House is the only correct choice. He can progress humanity to the colony spaceships while the courier goes back out into the wastes doing what he/she damn well pleases.
>>318000786
you underestimate how fragile humans can be
>>318000703
They sure as fuck didn't do anything when ghost reported the town burning. And they sure as fuck aren't afraid of losses since at least 3 legion died anyway. It's a two day run from Cottenwood with no NCR inbetween
>>318000315
>Your crimes are unforgivable!
>As are all crimes. If you feel that strongly about it...
Man, he even fucking tells you to do it if you really want to. He'll slam dance with you and his troop right then and there. Open invite GIVEN.
But seriously, his speech to you even mentions a comparison to how traitors are cheated in the Legion.
The entire point of the incident in Nipton from start to finish was about loyalty.
>>317999824
I can only imagine Primm Slim keeps standing up long after he passed the point where he qualified for scrap metal, after his laser gives out he starts punching them, after his arms give out he pushes them away and even in a last act of defiance right before his core gives out he somehow manages to barricade the door to the casino with his body
>>317988798
Which is the obvious choice, if you want to turn a bunch of feuding tribals into disciplined warriors you have to stamp the tribal out, he was creating an empire not a commune
>>318000659
Mindless barbarism is not order
Democracy and rule of law, that's order
>>318000995
Or he detonates his core in a crowd of them.
>>318000874
House with the Local BoS and MT would be a fucking powerhouse. They could even give house a new body so he can fuck his robogirls again
Caesar is a huge hypocrite
Starts about strength and all that being above all else, then he falls prey to illness. What a fucking weakling.
>>318000973
Fine yeah, but there where much better ways to go about that entire thing. Because everyone else saw it as legion doing legion stuff.
>>318001107
either way, the legion just lost way to many troops to a single robot
>>318000308
Thats the question though, are they? Look at what is being said and where it is coming from.
There is borderline indoctrination now in colleges/universities.
I'd love to be able to discredit this as just stupid millennial that will just get the hard turkey slap of reality in the face when they enter the real world, but we seem to be catering more and more to them and their fragile mentalities.
I worry what will happen if Hillary gets in power.
>>317998569
It'll damage muscles and other tissue because the body is more or less jerking around at max strength.
Clamp your wrist down in a vice grip then try pulling it out as hard and as fast as possible using all the strength in your upper body, it won't be fun.
>>317995939
Identity is just a side-effect of the culture you grew up in, homogeneity isn't a negative thing, if anything it's a positive thing because it allows for far greater social cohesion
>>318001349
There was no better way to do it that conveyed the same message. I'd put it more the failing of the individual to brush it off as mere madness of the Legion.
I'm saying this as someone who, after Vulpes told me to FUCKING DO IT YOU PUSSY, swallowed chems and threw down mines and had a Full Lead Dance Party with him . At least I did my first time. Subsequent playthroughs I bide my time more before pissing the Legion off.
>>317997852
What killed him was sever neurological damage, chest compression or not he would've died anyway.
>>317989192
Josh Sawyer seems like such a cool guy. I particularly like that end bit. The Legion don't need to fit on a sliding morality scale, they're just the legion.
>>318001201
I always saw Caesar as the embodiment of the hypocritical stern blue collar dad who puts on a show about about manliness and discipline but struggles with alcoholism
>>317987127
Cause I get so much shekels when they send hit squads to get me. Denuires makes the best shotgun rounds
>>317997975
>>317997475
WATCH OUT
THE /pol/ BOOGEYMAN IS RIGHT BEHIND YOU
because obsidian needed another year of development time to implement it.
>>317996853
No you can't, objective morality is a byproduct of believing in a supernatural moral arbiter. If you don't believe in a god then you believe morals are the creations of humans, and since different humans have different moral values it means morals themselves are subjective
>>318002142
Honestly I think the Legion works better as this cult of personality so rooted in Ceaser's extremism that there's no room for the Courier to be anything but an errand boy.
It defies the power of Ceaser himself to have you jump in out of nowhere and be his butt-buddy. The Courier has to be kept at arms distance to preserve Ceaser's validity.
But that's just, like, my opinion
>>318002293
>this is what Christians actually believe
>>317989192
I really like Sawyer, awesome writer, but I will never understand how he could be involved in PoE. That game was really weak (story wise)
>>318002484
>Implying
I'm not religious, how can you honestly believe in universal morals if you aren't though. A moral system created by humans would be flawed and inherently subjective, it's congnitive dissonance to think otherwise
>>318001689
>social cohesion is a good thing because it enables better social cohesion
is pretty much what you just said
>identity is just a side effect of the culture you grew up in
This too is, ultimately, a tautology. Cultures themselves would not be so different from each other if every human was psychologically identical. Of course who you are is influenced by your environment, but people can respond differently to the same stimuli, draw different conclusions when presented with the same information, etc. People's brains are shaped by their genes, and every single human has unique genes. This is why people seek out individual identities.
Individual identities are positive and necessary for a society to thrive. People need to fill varied roles, do different jobs, and technology and culture need input from varied brains to advance.
>>318001513
Look at the bigger picture. A few hundred years ago people were outright killed for not toeing the ideological line.
Being scoffed at by SJWs is annoying but it's hardly cultural indoctrination on the scale humanity has been living in for most of its existence
>>317999824
>3750 health at level 50
holy shit
>>318002996
True, but they are actually starting to get power and have real world repercussions.
Just look at the UK where you can be locked up for saying something 'offensive' on twitter regardless of if it is correct.
New Zealand recently put in place something like this. And it outright states fact accuracy is irrelevant if it causes 'offense'.
It is akin to a cancer. If it isn't cut out now it could spread.
>>318002979
Assuming the highest goal of humanity is successful production if offspring, and given that maintaining and advancing society is the most direct route to that goal, it's very easy to come up with a biologically imperative moral system that boils down to "don't be a dick"
>>318002996
But in the context of Caeser's Legion a monolithic culture is a requirement, you cannot form a cohesive empire from hundreds of little tribes without forcing them to adhere to national values that tie them all together, otherwise you end up with a nation in name only that spends most of its resources trying to quell infighting
>>318002583
Sawyer does gameplay not writing.
>>318003631
This
That's the basic difference between the scattered Tribes like those of NV and Legion
>>318003631
>>318003828
That is something I agreed with.
Plus I think it might have been misconstrued somewhat since I would assume the Legion would have assimilated any beneficial culture from the tribes if integrated. Stamp out the shit, keep the good.
All towards making the nation stronger as whole.
>>317987127
They were barbarous slaving raiders. They each get one bullet to the brain, with the exception of Caesar. He I beat to death with my bare hands. It is what they deserved.
I'm still a little mad I couldn't activate the robot army and join the NCR as a general. I had built up a mythology in my head about how my courier had been an elite sniper in the NCR before becoming an assassin and moving to the New Vegas leave the trade only to be sucked back in. I was annoyed that the NCR was so suspicious and I didn't have the option of keeping house on a leash by taking away all his networks while keeping him alive. I was a genius hacker/scientist/doctor/assassin. YOU DON'T DIE 'TIL I SAY YOU CAN DIE.
>>318004138
>Not stabbing him 22 times
>>317989987
btw why didnt elijah blow my shit up when I locked him into the vault?
>>318003572
So now your basing your moral system off of evolutionary psychology, from that alone I can make arguments for rape and criminalisation of abortion being moral things to do. Besides the fact that your choice of biology as a moral basis is completely arbitrary
>>317996978
>>317996253
Energy Weapons are amazing and fun in NV, but unless you heavily invest in SCIENCE you'll never find out how great they are.
Any energy weapon can become a monster with some prep work, but for GUNS you're limited to the weapon's base stats and what alternate ammo it has. Even if you invest in crafting your own, you're at the mercy of Merchant RNG for stocking what you need.
As long as you can find any energy ammo at all, you can convert it to what you need. Then you can turn that in to OPTIMIZED ammo with the proper perk, or even go further beyond for rounds that do 2.5x damage a shot and -10 DT. That shit will chew up enemies even on low tier energy weapons. Then you have EFFICIENT RECYCLING too meaning your ammo just lands back in to your pocket half the time.
Don't need to carry a whole armory with you. You can get away with carrying two energy weapons. One BIG HOSS, and then something more modest for wasting durability on radscorps and shit.
Friggin lasers, man.
>>318004138
The House options were largely cut for time. If you wanted to keep House on a leash, you shoulda gone with Yes Man while empowering the Legion
>>318003543
It will spread. And it will get bigger. Then something else will come along and it will fade and be forgotten. That is how these things work.
SJWs represent the corrupted implementation of noble ideals. Equality, justice, etc. They are misguided but their existence, while harmful, is indicative of a broader historical trend which is overall a positive one: people are no longer content with just doing what their government or their cultures tell them, they have ideas they will act on because they think they are ethically right. The fact that appeal to ethics is such a powerful motivator in modern discourse (even if it is often invoked fallaciously) speaks to how much humanity' has progressed from our cultural-conformist roots.
>>317998652
>you might as well not bother doing business with them, just murder
>>318001623
Huh. Thanks for the tip anon!
>>318003631
What is the point of even living then, just to live like a mindless animal following the will of your masters
>>318004287
>rape and criminalisation of abortion being moral things to do
Explain how those forward society
Those concepts have been (mistakenly) used as pillars of evolutional philosophy in the past, but have had their failures pointed out every time.
Shooting for the "biological imperative = rapist edgelord" argument is just childish, and on top of that evolutionary imperative is far from an arbitrary criteria
>>317987127
Because when i killed that old fuck on the operating table i figured it would be a good time to get the fuck out of dodge.
Besides all the lore/story pretty much confirms that once Caesar is gone the whole thing goes to shit with infighting. Its why he had the falling out with Joshua, and its why he pushes on the dam so much. He hopes securing that will secure his place and give him sway. In my game, he dies, and that whack job military nut second hand of his is going to tear himself and the legion apart with infighting and against the NCRS better entrenched position.
>>318003631
It is a requirement for Caesar's Legion because Caesar's Legion are repressive backwards assholes and they are hated, they *must* enforce ideological conformity or they would be torn apart in a heartbeat because the Legion is composed of conquered peoples and slaves, not volunteers. For this reason they will always be backwards, they will never advance culturally or technologically because the roots of their society are so brazenly corrupt they cannot afford the kind of ideaological freedom that allows innovation to take place
This is exactly the kind of society you *don't* want to be. Not only is it a shitty place to live, as it grows the indoctrination becomes harder to keep up and it is only a matter of time until it collapses into uprisings. That is assuming a more advanced society doesn't leverage superior technology and doctrine to wipe them out first.
>>318004231
ffffff
Now i have to do this...
>>317987127
It's simple... Because it's a video game and by the time I met him or even was invited to meet him I had established myself as the single most powerful entity in the whole Mojave, I could literally swim in caps if I would throw them all in a swimming pool, I had stolen the best equipment and murdered the most powerful officials that could stand in my way, not to mention I was on good terms with most of the independent factions in the wasteland that would be ready to give their life for me and supply me with chems and food for life. There was absolutely no reason for me to throw all that away and serve a corrupt leader with distorted views of power and preservation, I had everything no one else had and everything to take away what they did have, I was literally a walking corporation embodied in one man.
>>317989987
yea i did, i think most ways of getting all the bars have been patched out and i didn't want to cheat because it kinda changes the point of the dlc
the bars only have a 100:1 value:weight ratio and that's worse then most fully repaired weapons and armor, so i dropped everything with less than that weight efficiency and left with like 5 i think
if you really wanna make money all you have to do is go into lonesome road with jury rigging and pick up/repair every armor and weapon in the place
>>318005342
>It is a requirement for Caesar's Legion because Caesar's Legion are repressive backwards assholes and they are hated, they *must* enforce ideological conformity or they would be torn apart in a heartbeat because the Legion is composed of conquered peoples and slaves, not volunteers
>misunderstanding the Legion to the point you only got the surface details
>>318003631
For contrast, Ghengis Khan did almost exactly the opposite and more or less did just fine.
>>318004668
How isn't it arbitrary? The universe will experience heat death someday. Nothing is important in the grand scheme of things.
>>318005590
You got to steal it all though, and fill your bathtubs with it. It's not like you cant walk out with it.
>>317996932
At my health class I learned yeast infections are caused by too much sex and that you can get pregnant by getting some semen on your legs.
>>318005793
>trying to have an intelligent discussion
>yeah but nihilism nothing matters
Why even post at that point
>>317989987
>implying I needed them at all when I had already gotten banned at the casino and cashed out my chips in to pre-war money
>>318005819
If you gotta do bullshit shenanigans to get all the bars out you might as well just spawn 'em with the console.
>>318004648
I'm not talking about the individual, I'm talking about the overall success of the society.
>>318005342
I'm sorry man but I can't think of a single society in the world that isn't composed of a large amount of "conquered people". I imagine you're probably American so not only is your country made of conquered people, it's also made up with the ancestors of plenty of ex-slaves and their slavers
>>318005753
So did Rome, so did Britain, so did France, so did Germany etc, these places used to have hundreds of different languages and hundreds of different tribes that now all speak the same language and are part of the same culture thanks to war and diplomacy. The Legion is exactly the same, nations aren't formed with good feelings
>>318005994
I'm not a nihilist. Things matter to me a great deal. I just understand that it's only important because I think it's important. It isn't actually important at all because it will all be bathed in fire before being chilled to absolute zero.
>>318005753
>>318006159
Miswrote the beginning, I meant to say yet Rome etc.
>>318006220
Okay but then you're admitting your own thoughts to be fallacy
"I think that my thoughts don't matter because the world will die"
You're defeating you're own point - trusting the neurons in your brain to tell you they're neurons, circular logic.
You can't be both a relativist but still maintain nihilism
>>317989834
>byzantines
>being true
>being roman
>being an empire
>>318000786
>>318000928
The human body is weird. We're not fragile - far from that, we can endure way too fucking much. History is full of people that keep fighting even after suffering amounts of body damage that are way beyond acceptable. Like, off the top of my head, I remember an article of some random thug taking more than 20 shots to the body and he kept fighting back for 30 minutes before collapsing from blood loss.
At the same time, sometimes it's must a matter of right thing at the right moment. The smallest electrical current can stop your heart, or you can survive a huge electric shock because it didn't hit your organs "right".
>>318006159
Not the dude, but you entirely missed his point by focusing on the "nuh uh everyone conquers"
The legions METHODS are what drives their ultimate failure here. They do NOTHING like rome, france, germany, etc.
They are literally one historically minded asshole deciding "i should mold society based only on the military branch of this great ancient empire known as Rome while completely ignoring all the non militaristic functions which made them what they are"
They do not mend bridges, they do not helm diplomacy. Law is at the point of a gun/sword. This kind of extreme beats people down. It does NOT integrate them.
That is the difference.
>>317987127
Because as soon as Caesar dies, everything falls apart.
>>317987127
I didn't like the way how they treated people. Their way didn't sit right with me.
>>317988492
the fact that theres no responses to this makes me very sad
>>318006584
Ceasar's Legion is aesthetically based on Rome, but they don't claim to BE Rome, they claim to be Ceasar's Legion.
Besides, it's been stated that Caesar's rrue goal is to create a multicultural empire of open citizens, but he needs leverage to do so in the form of New Vegas. Whether that's lies to justify his actions or even plain delusion, does't change the point.
Because I can't take another expansion full of lies and broken promises.
>>317987127
First time playing FONV: I killed the faggot who wanted to fuck me in the hotel room and now I have the chip, I plan to go to Caesar and just fucking shot him as soon as I see him.
Is this possible?
Maybe help this House dude I keep hearing about after that...
>>318006564
Plus our temples are basically off buttons if you hit them hard enough with your fist
>>318006159
>nations aren't formed with good feelings
Goodwill alone is not enough to form a lasting civilization, but it is one of the necessary ingredients. Funny you should mention Britain and France. Just a few generations ago they had conquered half the world. It didn't last, did it?
The British Empire disintegrated just like every other empire conquered by force. The only reason America has lasted as long as it has is because *most* of it's people were not conquered peoples or slaves. Many of the problems inside America today come from residual conflicts with people who did belong to one of those two groups.
As a ruling power, if you don't respect people's rights, then they will fight you. It's as simple as that. And they will probably win, because in the end a government is only as strong as people's support of it.
>>318006584
I think that's a problem with the game rather than the Legion themselves, they're not the Mongol Horde, they do build infrastructure and have common law in their own holdings but what you're seeing is their military. Their methods are no less brutal than what the actual Legion did to their enemies.
Besides that, you see them making diplomatic visits to tribes like the Great Khans to see if they can be integrated into the Legion.
>>318007243
>As a ruling power, if you don't respect people's rights, then they will fight you.
Ceasar respects the rights of what his nation considers people. Their population is small enough and world cruel enough that nobody will argue, at least for now.
>>318007306
They sure had a poor opinion of eth great khans though. Plus not mentioning the part where all the women would be made breeder slaves for no real reason.
>>318007385
People will especially fight you if you don't treat them as people kek
>>318007385
>what his nation considers people
that's a red flag
>>318007462
That's what the legion does. Women and children become slaves, the men either become warriors/slaves. If they surrender, they might be sold as slaves.
>>318006824
Dont be silly with wording. Of course they dont claim to be Rome. Most of them have no idea what that is. The man who founded it however, claims that as his goal however. Beyond semantics over wording, that is the same thing. The legion is his wet dream/fantasy based on the Roman Military and its falling apart in front of his eyes.
He has not succesfully integrated anything into his society. Hes made a great army for sure. However warriors without a fight leads to infighting and then dissolution.
There is no great Caesars Legion as a "society". There is a great army keeping hundreds of thousands of oppressed people in check with the rule of might.
Not how you make a society. Thats how you make a revolution and someone comes along to make something proper on your ashes.
>>318007124
Legion will confiscate your weapons when you reach The Fort, like with the casinos.
>>318007462
Accepting the tiny population of Kahns under equal terms as the established Legionnaires would undermine Ceasar's authority. Ceasar's terms were the lesser evil than being slaughtered outright
>>317994445
>ain't no trouble, abigail
>ain't no trouble
cant confiscate your fists
would be interesting if they added a cuff mechanic in
>>317987127
Legion = giant mountain of shit.
Enclave are so fucking better than this piece of shit.
>>318007509
>>318007543
Again, it's been stated by Word of God that Ceasar's motives were for long-term advanced society. You have to kill a few pawns to win a game of chess, from Ceasar's perspective
Is the NCR extreme taxation and costly warfare not a comparable situation? Added to by the bureaucratic bullshit inherent to the Republic, it's easy to understand Ceasar's decisions considering he bears the entire burden of building a nation from scratch.
>>318007563
>>318007621
But why have slaves unless you can't control your citizen with anything besides force?
How is that sustainable in any way?
>>318007597
So your point is, Ceasar is incredibly misguided?
Nobody was arguing against that. Hell, Joshua exists just to demonstrate how misguided Ceasar is, in execution if not in concept
>>317987127
Because Caesar misses the entire point of this thing called human existence. Love, liberty and something else, maybe donuts or something. Whatever.
Also he's a bit of a tit.
Lets just bring back to life the ancient romans and see what they thought
they might have some hang ups being jesus'd though
>>318008003
Again, Word of God states that Ceasar was going to use the monetary and diplomatic leverage of controlling New Vegas as an starting point to modernizing and demilitarizing his society.
Whether you believe that would work, or if he even truly intended it, is up to the player
>>318007243
I think you're taking your perspective on this from the wrong time period, when I say the British and the French I mean founding of those nations not their colonial empires (which fell apart from completely different reasons to the ones you claim) because that's more relevant to Fallout's world
America has been relevant for less than a hundred years which really isn't up there in terms of long lasting empires
>>317987364
>>317988114
Actually they primarily enslave anybody who resists. You learn during the Legion ending that they left the small settlements around the Mojave alone.
Caesar believes the Old World is dying and the New can't rely on it, thus no chems, limited tech, etc
But the Brotherhood proved Caesar wrong 120 years before his Legion even existed.
Explain this shit.
>>318007509
You think peasant revolts haven't occurred all throughout history? Just because you hear about the famous ones doesn't mean the majority don't end with the peasants bleeding out on the ground
>>318007875
ANd he is building a cult of personality war machine with no end game. He talks big shit about ends justifying the means but unless you save his life he dies and his war crazy number 2 takes over, and will run them into the ground. They know nothing but how to pillage and take over other civilizations. These people don't know how to read, write are think technology is bad because their god leader said so. Ceacer built the worst possible civilization and it will tear itself apart when he dies
>>318008275
Ceasar pissing on advanced tech is part of his cult of personality; he knows he can't start handing out powerful weapons or technology without causing jealousy, infighting, and undermining his Legion's devotion.
Even the BoS can't agree over the tech they have and they've been bred into dogma for generations
>>317988169
>Because both the real Caesar and the real Roman Empire fell pretty fucking hard.
If we're counting the Byzantine Empire, it lasted 1400+ years (from founding of Rome in 753 BC to the capture of Constantinople by the Ottomans in 1453). That is a super long time for an empire.
>Not to mention, the real romans used plate armor and ballistas and shit against barbarians. The Legion puts on football pads, picks up some gardening equipment, and charges head first at men armed with anti material rifles.
This part is stupid though. How they could ever stand a chance against a force like the NCR or even House's Securitrons when 1/3rd of their forces are literally armed with spears and football pads is beyond me. At least every NCR recruit has a gun of some kind.
>>318008169
Everyone knows it wouldn't work. And this isn't like the pitt where the ends justify the means because a cure for radiation. There is no justifiable reason for taking slaves besides they needed another way to show the Legion was the bad group
>>317988198
That line of dialogue was them describing themselves.
>>318001731
Cool thing about Vulpes is that you can meet him in the Strip before you even meet him in Nipton and his dialogue adjusts to it. Moreso if you're in good graces with the Legion. The amount of thought put into character interaction in NV is great.
>>317987127
i liked ncr, boone was my nigga
>>318008369
Okay but a lot of that info only comes to light post-game and much of the Legion content was cut for time, so while Ceadar's Legion ultimately self-destructs, we can't say for absolute certain what was intended.
>>318008550
Slavery is big money man, even today
>>318007875
>you have to kill a few pawns to win a game of chess
You will lose by whipping all your pawns until they turn on you. That's my entire point.
The NCR is corrupt and bureaucratic but people are willing to live the inefficiencies of such that government because it is *their* govermnent that they elected. Because of this it's the only viable long term state in the Mojave wasteland.
>Thumbs down, you son of a bitch!
>>318008058
Caesar loves himself and his empire.
And he has liberty in killing. Sounds like he nailed it when it comes to human experience.
>>318008493
They can't. They barly fought a fraction of eth NCR because of bureaucracy. If they had taken the Dam and killed oliver the NCR would carped bomb their asses all the way back home. You have to remember the troopers in New Vegs are so bare bones equipped that many don't even have body armro
>>318008550
>I don't understand the historical basis for slavery other than bad people being bad
A better question is, why can't you side with everyone in Fallout 4? I'm trying to finish the fucking main quest but keep running into dialogues that cause THAT OTHER GROUP YOU LIKE IS NOW YOUR ENEMY.
Luckily I'm an expert save scummer.
>>318008603
Tell me about it. The actual care put into the story and dialogue and quests is why im replaying Vegas and not Fallout 4.
Ill play that a year from now when i just want to shoot stuff in an open world. When there are hopefully enough mods out there that i can pretend its not even a fallout game.
>>318007124
You can shoot him in the face. Caesar has the same limitation as the Strip casinos in that you can only sneak in select holdout weapons. A sneak above 50 lets you bring in much more.
>>317987127
cause collectivists are faggots who always fall apart
>>317989192
More thought was put into the content of that explanation that into the entire script of Fallout 3.
>>318008764
Caeser knew this, his ultimate goal was integration with the NCR. The war over New Vegas is to gain leverage over them
>>318008651
You'd think clean water or pre war tech would be a better use of resources to accumulate then slaves that would shiv you if given the chance
>not curing Caesars brain tumor
>>318008779
You're kidding right? It's bad enough you only have to side with a faction at the very end
>>318008908
Clean Water in NV isn't the retardedly explained necessity it was in FO3; presumably there are still Water Merchants and the Legion gives Caravans who play ball with them special preference
>>318008779
Because its a shit Bethesda game stamping on Fallout lore and ideas. You are going to legit have to wipe out 2 full factions no matter who you side with. Every ending/decision is a near cookie cutter of the others where you just swap in two factions that live and two that die.(Who you sided with, someone who was allied or nuetral with them and two other fuckers who just get wiped out). Rinse repeat.
>>318008307
It is true that most individual revolts end in failure. However a repressive enough state will be subjected to consecutive revolts until one eventually succeeds.
>>318008648
And tahts the problem, what we were given was real cut and dry shit. We can speculate beyond what was in the game but if we go by the content that was not cut there are huge problems with the Leagion that have no justifiable reasons. I'm not saying there aren't any but they are not in the game
>>318008550
You know the Spartans had a shit ton of slaves to do all the work in the society so they were free to be a standing army right?
Slaves are resources.
The question is one of necessity.
What made the Legion 'evil' in regards to slaves was how they were treated and lacked any protections.
Or at least that is true to what we saw in NV. For all we know they are liberal on slave laws for the war camps to keep spirits and morale up.
Slaves in Legion territory proper could have protections from just being killed for no reason for example.
And for all we know people in the territory may not agree with it and just put up with it, and may treat their own slaves better.
We don't know because we never got to explore this.
>>318008908
I think you're overestimating how rebellious slaves are, black slaves in the US hugely outnumbered their masters, why didn't they constantly go on killing sprees?
>>318009015
What does that mean? I'm trying to do a "good" ending. And basically doing everything Cutie thinks is right. I'm just all of the sudden supposed to murder a fucking SHIT load of people I consider friends because one faction thinks they'll get moderately in the way?
>>318008765
I understand the basis but is sure as fuck doesn't appy in fallout
>>317988114
>Why?!
because its not FO3 and FO3 babies are gonna cry about it until they die.
>>318009082
A lot of the glaring questions about Ceasar's Legion have been answered by either direct Word of God or given some hints by Joshua and other DLC tidbits.
It's not great, but it does help the Legion grow out of it's apparent "DURR WE R DUH EBUHLZ" persona
>>318009168
Who is Nat Turner?
>>318008169
The legion simply won't that long m8. And even if it did become super powerful, there would be no viable means for it transition into a modern society.. what with the indoctrination and illiteracy and lack of culture and technology. It's not like the leader can simply one day say "k guys we're going to be all progressive now"
Even if Caesar means well he is delusional
>>318008887
Where the fuck did that map come from?
I thought all the BoS midwest shit from Tactics was non canon/ BOS is west coast only and they had the one expedition to the east coast(ala FO3)
>>318009297
>Constantly
>>317987127
What good is a dictatorship if I'm not the dictator?
>>318009216
>historical basis doesn't apply in a society that's been knocked back several centuries, specifically in a group dedicated to an historical ideal, because I said so
Cool
>>318008887
If he managed to take New Veges then the NCR would have rather seen it burned to the ground it him in it then let then do any kind of formal buisness
>>318009349
my point exactly.
>>317994445
Primm and Goodsprings are left alone if the Legion wins. Caeser isn't interested in them.
>>318009321
That's your opinion of the character, and the fact you can even have such an opinion within the confines of the writing demonstrates the depth of the Legion scenario
>>318009168
Because the the military shows up and shoots them. But outside of America slaves have risen up and taken over places before
>>318009209
Are you actually trying to play Fallout 4 for "story".
I feel for you...there is no hope, sorry brah.
I was wondering if it's possible to play the entire game using a M79 and having a build dedicate to using the M79.
>>318009546
Yes? And in the Legion they'd be cut down by the far more disciplined and far more well-equipped legion. They risks outweigh the benefits in this case, same as they did for ancient Rome
>>318009546
Slave revolts have 100:1 odds of getting everyone involved shot or beaten if not killed, and typically it makes everything worse for the survivors even if they escape.
Any history buff can tell you slave revolts are universally a bad idea and always have been, with only a few notable exclusions
Because I don't wanna help edgy Roman cosplayers who kills everyone against their doctrine.
>>318009652
I have fun playing as an apathetic mom who just wants to murder raider scum and scavenge stuff. It makes the plot quest more enjoyable being a sarcastic bitch all the time
>>318009934
>kills everyone against their doctrine.
But that's wrong
>>318009697
The commando perk boosts the damage of the M79
>>318009761
>Legion
>well disciplined and well equipped
>>317987127
because mr.yes
How am I supposed to take someone seriously when their entire plan is based on a second hand understanding of Hegel?
>No, I'll destroy it because it's inevitable that it be destroyed. It's Hegelian Dialectics, not personal animosity. How do I put this basically enough? It's a philosophical theory, the kind you might encounter if you took time to read some books.
>The fundamental premise is to envision history as a sequence of "dialectical" conflicts. Each dialectic begins with a proposition, a {emphasis}thesis...
>...which inherently contains, or creates, its opposite - an antithesis. Thesis and antithesis. The conflict is inevitable.
>But the resolution of the conflict yields something new - a synthesis - eliminating the flaws in each, leaving behind common elements and ideas.
He offers no further justification for this supposed synthesis when theres no actual historical precedent for it and when Hegel himself never used it in this way. Its a neat idea but at the end of the day its nonsense (not unlike much of what Hegel wrote, funnily enough). Charlatans beget charlatans I guess.
>>318010085
Yeah, they are, especially in comparison to the slaves.
>>318010085
They can kill NCR troops with sticks and football pads
Hell, they set off a rad bomb and fucked an entire regiment to shit
>>318009326
Midwest BOS is referenced in FO3, Tactics is considered semi-canon (basically only the major events)
>>317989018
>>317988640
>>317988297
CPR is performed if your patient has no pulse. A compromised airway (respiratory arrest) can lead to that, but if you intervene quickly enough, it's possible to avert it.
You do NOT perform CPR on someone with a pulse, or if someone is seizing. I've heard that seizures can be treated with benzodiazepam, but out on the field you don't have access to that, so the best you can do is keep a close eye on the patient's airway, and not be a moron and start crushing their chest.
>>318010494
>benzodiazepam
No fuckhead you take that to AVOID DROWNING
>>317987127
Legion were pushovers and I got tired of thier bullshit.
I am busy enough turning myself into a cybord god to care about the legion or ncr, house had the right idea, but he was not willing to make the right sacrifices.
Is my head cannon that the courier nuked both the legion and the ncr back to the depths of hell at the end of lonesome road, victory does not come with half measures.
>>318010249
Bad example. If i remember right from that, its not that they were well planned or executed with that...isnt it that they were essentially some legion goons who fucked up and got the whole camp killed/radiated/ghouled on accident.
>>318010671
>nuking Nevada again
Literally the most retarded ending
>>318010756
Ok, then the Legion ambush on the supply caravan near Fort Golf. Hell, the way the Legion took down the Town of Whores had a clearly devised and well executed plan
>>318001019
>NCR
>Mr. House
>Feuding tribals
>>317989834
Pansy Greeks get out.
>>318010928
>illegitimate bureaucrats
>literally one person
He's referring to the Kahns, Three Houses, and the raider factions
>>318010928
Did you pay any attention to the game whatsoever?
>>318002293
>supernatural moral arbiter.
Why would this make morals objective? Do sure consequences determine the objectivity of morals?
>>318011121
Because the creator of the moral code is a being that is omnipotent and flawless, when I say supernatural moral arbiter I mean beings like the Christian god, not pagan style gods who were more personifications of emotions or events
>>318010558
It's a muscle relaxant. Imagine why it would be useful for someone who is seizing.
>>317996253
>>317996978
Raifu right here.
>>318004389
gud post
>>318011503
>beings luke a christian god
>presupposing omniscience on the basis of human experience
Don't even open that can of worms m8
Objective morality is almost explicitly paradoxical
>>317991634
>jury-rig
>PERKOFTHEYEARALLYEAR.CPP
>>318010671
Radio New Vegas "local man admitted to hospital today, he was reported to have three radscorpion stingers inside his anus. More on that story as it unfolds."
>>317987127
While I agree of the need for hard strength intrying times (and so does the rest of humanity, whether they admit it or not), the Legion lacks a future.
The most obvious (and canon) inheritor to Caesar's throne is Lanius, and while he is fairly intelligent and brutal, I feel like he lacks the appropriate charisma to lead a nation, especially one in it's infancy. If say Vulpes or Lucius finessed their way into power, the problem would still remain.
The problem with Caesar is that he's a flash in the pan. With no son he has no proper heir, and by representing the product of generations of history he is damning his people to failure by not knowing the lead-up to Rome's revitalization at the hands of Augustus.
In short, while I like Caesar a lot, he is functionally and African warlord. Even if he has the proper ambition, it will not come to fruition due to his inevitable death and his follower's ignorance and lack of structure.
>>318011892
>Mr.New Vegas here...just wanted to remind you...I love you
I fucking forgot that they got Wayne Newton for that. When i heard him on the radio i about died with joy.
>>318006516
Otto plz go
>>318006638
No they don't, retard. Stop parroting, it's fucking cringey.
>>317987127
Sawyer is worse than Metzen
Alright we all get you guys like to argue about the whole House vs NCR vs ceaser thing but what about the real hard decisions? You know, in Fallout 3?
Did you turn on the water purifier with or without the virus?
That is a much tougher dilemma than choosing which faction to give total control of hoover dam to.
>>318013712
No it isn't. The thing Bethesda is good for is laying a groundwork for other people to improve on.
>Not using tech in a world with the BoS and the Enclave shitting on their enemies whole sale with vertibirds and power armor
aaaayyyy
>>318013204
Explain because even Caesar has reasoning to be what he is despite being morally reprehensible whilst every villain has been CORRUPTED in Warcraft. Even Garrosh who was supposed to be a warchief got CORRUPTED when he feared that he would be CORRUPTED like his father and his character being based around never wanting to follow that legacy.
>>318014249
>bos has "power armor"
>slaughter them all with a .45-70 lever action rifle
>>318013712
You can literally remove radiation from the water with dirt. DIRT. Bethesda is objectively bad at this.
i'm not gay desu senpai
>>318014841
Not to mention you could build a water purifer in Fallout 4 with scraps from the wasteland.
>>318004668
>Those concepts have been (mistakenly) used as pillars of evolutional philosophy in the past
But modern day evolutionary philosophy is totally perfect and without flaw because I say so. :^)
>>318015036
>>318014841
I agree that the water purification angle in Fo3 has a lot of plot wholes, but im pretty sure the idea is to purify water on a massive scale, not on a small scale you could acheive by building a purifier or whatever
>>318004668
>shooting for the biological imperative on a doomed planet orbiting a doomed star flying through a doomed galaxy in a doomed universe
>>318015280
But there's no reason to do that. Just put a robot in every town and the problem is solved while they build more of them. It's tough but it's not worth fighting a war over.
>>318015280
Something that a simple well can accomplish with running water through the ground for over 200 years and for a short population, they seem to be fine and dandy with radiation water for 200 years.
>>318015646
people have fought wars over less
I just bought Vegas Ultimate Edition but my steam says I don't have DLCs. Even thought it said I got the edition when I activated the key.
>>317987127
Caesar's Legion are literally the niggers of the Mojave. Not one other faction comes close to their degeneracy.
>>317987491
no we /pol/ peoples pick the independent rout.
>>317988170
He is in no way a "power crazy demi god"
>>318011926
Isn't that the main reason why pic related left the Legion? Ulysses realized the Legion would eventually die with Caesar, it wasn't his intelligence and military strategy keeping them together; it was his charisma and natural leadership, which no one else quite has.
>>318016453
>niggers of the Mojave
But they aren't on welfare and work towards the betterment of their state. They contribute to their society. What you are saying doesn't gel friend.
>>317990713
You could say the exact same thing about the NCR or any government. Don't be a naive cunt.
>>318016453
>>318016743
That and they're very well drilled and trained, more better than the average NCR trooper. Nigger marksmanship is holding the gun sideways.
>>317990797
You are the Augustus.
>>318016151
Any help for this post? I refunded Fallout 4 and really want to play a better game.
>>318017020
Do you have something like this in the DLC?
>>318016453
>Caesar's Legion are literally the niggers of the Mojave
Nope sorry m8 that would be the fiends that you are talking aboot.
>>318017171
Is that when you click in the game library? Then no. I have DLCs shown for Crusader Kings 2 but not for Fallout. Then again, I just bought it from gamesplanet (german) and activated by key. It did say I got Ultimate edition. Haven't installed it yet but Dlcs aren't showing.
>There are people who don't think that the NCR is the best hope for the wasteland
>>318017659
Contact support?
>>318017659
This is weird. They don't show in library but when I place cursor on the DLC tags in the store page, the "in library" label shows up.
>>318017783
To be honest, despite being NCR myself, I went with House because NCR really need to get their shit together.
>>318016938
Very well drilled and trained in fighting with a sword in a world where machine guns, lasers, explosives and nukes exist. The same way niggers train in throwing spears and long distance running even though guns and cars exist today. Dedication to a subject that is useless.
>>318017783
That suit is riding up his crack.
>all of these non neutral pragmatists
I Scooby-Dooby Doo
>>318017783
>NCR is the best hope for the wasteland
>not the immortan Courier with his legendary charisma and foresight in building humanity back to its peak thanks to the efforts of Doctor Penisfingers and his colleagues as well as the technology of Big MT.
Real talk though could any faction in the Mojave outside of the Brotherhood stand a chance against the horrors of the Big Empty? Roboscorps, labotimites and Trauma suits especially?
>>318018202
>trying to remain neutral throughout the entire game
>gives good karma out like free candy but barely dinks it when you start to do bad shit.
>>317992426
>moral relativism
>>317990935
If Obsidian ever make another Fallout involving The Legion in the future, I can see Lanius doing something like this.
I'd consider the canon ending to be Independent, with Speech preventing Lanius and Oliver from getting killed (Though Oliver still probably gets thrown off the dam since he's a cunt), and once Caeser inevitably dies Lanius would take over and go full Ethnic cleansing mode after after discovering some sort of pre-war base containing power armor
>>318017783
>muh just like old world america
>all the greed and corruption of old world america
Like House said "you want to see the fates of democracies? then look out the windows."
> House, supposedly the most intelligent, best option.
> Underestimates his one and only free agent.
> Said free agent who is capable of taking down both the NCR and the Legion.
> Surprised when i expose him to bacteria then leave him to die.
Genius my ass.
>>317987491
Fuck off leftie trash
because Joshua Graham
nuff said
>>318007604
>keep holdout weapons
>none of my weapons get taken
>>317987127
>actualy spear chuckers
>calls others degenerates
>>317998065
I survived the Sierra Madre and all I got was this lousy gold bar.
>>317987127
>Legion
>Caeser dies
>One of his incompetent subordinates rise to power
>Civil war breaks out and the Legion dies because Caeser was the only thing holding it together
>Literally every fucking shithead NPC in New Vegas who's not brainwashed legion knows and states this
>Edgelords still pretend like Legion is worth siding with in any way.
>>317990196
oh shit, son. arcade as Cato the Younger?
that's fucking gold
China Fallout game where its Caesar faction (hopefully better written) would be a neo-Mongol faction with riders mounted on mutated horses when?
>>317998776
isn't there a mod to build fo3 weapons in new vegas? build the rock-it launcher, use the gold bars as ammo. retrieve gold bar after firing. could work.
personally, i wish there was a mod that just let you use any item as a throwing weapon. the distance thrown could be determined by the weight and player str. maybe the damage scales off of item weight unless the item is a melee weapon.
i'd like to kill benny by throwing a suit of power armor at him.
