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Marie was the worst thing to happen to Dead or Alive.
So lets say I import the games. We all know they will release the remaining girls as DLC sooner or later. How would I go about getting DLC on a Japanese game?
>>317870908
More like DOA XXX
>>317870908
Yep.
Fuck off with this shit.
Or else the SJW boogeyman will come and say their opinions on things! WoooOOOoo!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gL7CDeMIzs
>>317871412
Stop that man.
You spooked the Fuck out of me.
>>317871061
Impressive.
>>317870908
post screenshots while arguing over stupid shit please
Is pole dancing back in?
>>317870908
looks good
will import
will enjoy
Show the whole poster so we can see Marie's butt
This game is inappropriate and should never be released in other countries.
>>317872581
Thanks, mom.
>>317872732
No problem son. Now go shave that neckbeard and sell your fedora.
>X3
Kill yourself
>everyone keked over DOAX3 not being regionalized
cry more nerds
>>317872964
It's all right, you can still get the english asian version
>>317871307
You get a credit card or order Japanese points over the internet, and spend them in the JP console market.
>>317872927
:3c
>>317870908
Won't lie, the first one was fun and I loved the soundtrack. The lesbian fantasies made up maybe 5% of my enjoyment with that game.
No shame.
>>317873040
>>317872964
>being Keked
>>317873047
Would i have to make a Japanese account? or just buy a Japanese PSN card?
>Living in SEA
Feels good that I can just go to my local game store and buy it when it launches without importing.
ᴐuᴐks
>>317873302
You have to make an account, it takes like 2 minutes to set up and you can use a fake name and address. I would recommend doing that now actually, there's some really great free FFXIV themes and a Senran one too.
>>317873302
Make a Singapore account instead.
Their PSStore is in english and it should be easier to find top-up cards for it aswell.
>>317871307
Only get the Japanese version if you can actually understand moon. The Asian version is the one with english subs. As for your question you have to make a PSN account for the region you bought the game for and buy the DLC from that region's store.
>>317873593
Thanks for the tip.
>>317871307
what's the likelihood they would do some DOAX3 Complete Edition Disc release later? Though I can't think of any Japanese game which did that.
So what are the minigames confirmed so far?
We told ya.
>ignore sjw they will go away
>topkek
Now enjoy your cuc.kage
>>317871137
Nah son.
I'm glad no one on /v/ is actually going to buy this game.
>>317876309
I got the collector's edition that includes both the PS4 version and the PS Vita version and the oppai mouse pads.
>>317876309
But I am? I've pre-ordered from play-asia.
>>317875931
>ignore hypersensitive reactionaries
>they continue being vocal about petty shit that offends them with impunity
>developers see this and observe that there are very little voices of dissent, so they change their games
People who thought leaving it alone are literally, objectively retarded. Silent majority means shit.
>>317876309
Sjw shill. Poor shill anyway. Try to add something like stupid reasons for example, bye anita..
>>317871137
>First character who doesn't have insanely large breasts
>worst thing
>no Tina
>Marie and Honoka as the poster girls
Absolute garbage
>>317875931
>>317876801
>nobody ignored it
>THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU IGNORE IT
????
>>317876801
/thread
This is why we can't have nice things in /v/ideogames.
Just wait and be silent and look videogames quality collapse
>>317871307
TK has repeatedly said that there won't be DLC for additional characters. I have a feeling that they'll stick by their word, especially since to vote for who gets in, people had to pay actual money. Cause of that, adding in the rest of the cast as DLC would make them look bad.
Are there real people who look forward to this game, or is it a big inside joke?
Why does everyone and their mother have smug Twitter avatars now?
>>317877335
I'm not really interested in xtreme, but the fighting games are another story...
>>317877404
being a smug anime girl is the new in thing
>>317877308
I wouldn't have cared if they had replaced Marie Rose with Tina and released it here. As it is America does not even get invited to the volleyball.
Where were you when a small indie dev attempted to save video gaming?
>>317877149
Are you sure? So where was counter protest that left us in this situation. Dev saw just sjw cry and they took a decision to prevent a boycott. Where was a real protest against this faggottery? I didn't see it link proofs plz
>>317871307
funny the feminists want to target dead or alive NOW as opposed to when this game came out, a literal fucking softcore porn sim where you stare at their tits and take pictures
>>317877493
>where were you when a small indie dev begged for attention?
fixed that for you
>>317876984
>Implying you wouldn't want Marie to sit on your face
Filthy Criminal scum
>>317877149
>Implying they wouldn't false flag instead
Google Meg Lanker Simons, Zoe Quinn vs. Wizard chan
>>317877493
Ok so this guy has a rich family right? There's no way Huniepop earned him enough to throw millions around on trivial shit
>>317877404
>Why does everyone and their mother have smug Twitter avatars now?
2D > 3D at that size
Only way they'd go for a 3D model is if they can pull this CGI shit.
>>317877754
jesus christ
why is she so cute? that outfit...
>>317877308
They said they wouldn't add DLC characters to DOA5.. There is going to be a lot of people asking for other girls as DLC. They would be foolish to not capitalize on peoples Waifu-ism. Honestly the only other character I want in is Lei Fang to pair with Hitomi.
>>317873330
Yeah, it's cheaper too.
>>317877702
A million sounds about right considering the sales of Huniepop and its kickstarter.
>>317871061
That's OVER 9000 NEW FOLLOWERS!
>>317871137
>Marie was the best thing to ever happen in human history
I agree
>>317878015
she's 18 tho
>>317877754
Those motherfuckers knew what they were doing when they added a pedobait character.
>>317878015
>fags actually think it isn't
>>317871061
Didn't they start at 7k before their first tweet? Now it's closing to 20k.
Anyone have any of the sarcastic tweets from feminists to play asia?
What's their problem /v/? I just dont get it... they don't have to play it if they dont want to, why do they care if someone else wants to play it? It just doesn't make sense to me.
>>317877754
potato
>>317870908
I didn't see too much sameface in DOA5LR but now I can't stop noticing it. They all have the same goddamn face.
>>317877887
Probably because it invokes a similar feeling to a schoolgirl outfit. I don't know the character but I assume she's over 18, and that outfit invokes a certain fantasy. Combine that with her having an appealing face and figure and there you go.
>>317878206
she looks 18 to me
this isn't a korean mmo
>>317878015
>pedophiles
>>317878104
>>317878206
>feminists now think age is just an abstract thing that they get to decide, and not a factual number that they can't just change on a whim based on feelings
>any girl that makes herself appear young in order to attract men is clearly perpetuating pedophilia
This is pathetic.
>>317878363
pixels don't have age, anon
>>317878434
Well yeah, of course, fiction isn't real, which is also something feminists seem to believe.
>>317877404
Because edgy teens think it upsets people.
>>317871137
>Marie was the worst thing to happen to Dead or Alive.
why?
>>317878605
yeah, they're on the wrong side of history, huh?
>>317878605
Or maybe people just think it's funny.
I'm glad to still be among friends on here.
Those last few years i feltISOLATED.
doesn't DoA have guys too? What's the problem?
>>317878605
How would cute animated girls be edgy in any way? Unless it's a specific character like a Demon loli.
>>317878772
DOA Xtreme is generally a "look at the girls from the mainline games" type thing
though I think Zack usually hangs around because he's fucking Zack
>>317878772
men can't enjoy it or it's problematic
>>317870908
dead on arrival
I playing call of duty doesnt make me a sociopathic killing machine, playing doax doesnt make a mysoginistic shitlord either.
You can't have it both way.
Tu ne peux pas avoir le beurre, l'argent du beurre et le sourire de la crémiere.
>>317878914
im offended
>>317878914
these digital girls are more attractive than I am
what should I do?
>>317878512
This. It's a massive cultural difference between the east and the west.
What surprises me though is, in a time when we pretty much have a new terrorist attack every few months, feminists are worried about some sugar coated bikini game from japan, when a game like Fallout 4 grants players the ability to blow people's heads and limbs off and carry around discombobulated corpses...
But no, Fallout 4 is ok, because there is a female option for the protagonist, and it's equal to the male role. and that's all that matters.
Who fucking cares about kids being exposed to such high levels of sadistic gameplay and gore, right? No, girls in bikinis, that's the shit that needs to be censored. That's the real danger.
>>317871061
That guy deserves a bonus.
>>317877929
can someone explain this to me? they look like poorly modeled rubber dolls. is there really good gameplay, or interesting characterization?
>>317879086
Complain on twitter and open up a patreon.
>>317879173
You get to watch cute girls doing cute things on the beach and dress them up.
It's not about the game being good or not anon, its about principles.
>>317879036
>>317879086
just crybully to making the world a better place* on twitter
its all the rage
*only if you agree with our views, otherwise you are a mysogynistic ableist classist racist sexist shitlord who should light yourself on fire and be on the RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY
>>317878120
Of course they do. This is Japan we are talking about.
Can't you just skip the hassle of importing by creating a Hong Kong account, get some HK psn money from some online store and buy the game digitally?
>>317878914
I want Marie to sit on my face.
>>317879086
You have two main options:
A) Become more attractive
B) Become a feminist and whine about it (making yourself even less attractive)
>>317878896
oh, it's just fanservice?
sounds lame but I guess the DOA guys aren't all that and they can't put boob physics on themI think?
I don't really understand why anyone would complain about it, it's kinda like buying an horror game and complaining that it's too scary.
>People who are supporting Play Asia out of spite are the ones being manipulated.
>Not the ones throwing a hissy fit, giving them all of the attention on social media and news sites, and threatening to boycott because they used the term SJW.
>>317879109
anyone who thinks it's just about the bikinis then they are clearly not paying attention. read something besides 4chan circle-jerks, please.
>>317879449
some people are just so undesirable and insecure that about it that their first thought is to censor fictional characters
>>317879449
the people that are complaining aren't the people who buy the games, that's the problem.
It's the prudes who can't stand seeing attractive girls in a game who put up a stink and KT just said "nah, fuck it"
>>317879350
Yes. You miss out on a physical copy though.
>>317879550
elaborate
>>317879489
>avatar is himself drawn
These people really are the worst.
Steam release when?
http://www.themarysue.com/play-asia-facepalms/
>>317879449
It all boils down to
>stop liking what I don't like - what you like is offensive.
Is there nudity in this?
Where are the ethics in gaming?
All I see are 14 year old misogynerds trying to keep women from gaming.
>>317879550
I know. There's pool pillow fights, tug battles, water bike races, and beach volleyball too.
What it does not have:
Sex.
>>317879489
support companies that do things right.
a shame play-asia is so much more expensive than some other importing sites.
>>317879296
>principles
Uh... okay.
so, it's more like softcore porn, then? I don't think I understand why Tecmo pulled the game, then. I thought it was more salacious, or something. The last one must have sold like cold shit, if they aren't willing to take the heat and get paid
>>317879592
but DOA has been around since forever
are these people's soccer mom instincts waking up now?
it's always been known for the big boobed girls and the next gen jiggle physics
>>317879794
>All I see are 14 year old misogynerds trying to keep women from gaming.
Though there must be some gamer girl out there who likes to see scantily clad girls with huge tits prancing around the screen. There must be.
>>317879086
uh... don't hang out with diseased nerds who will compare you to a CG doll? even better yet, get some balls (ovaries??) and quit comparing yourself to CG dolls.
>>317879975
these are all the johnny-come-latelies who only play AAA blockbuster releases (if anything) and think they all should carry a heavy feminist message and have black people just to fill a quota
>>317879305
marie is love
>>317879086
I don't compare myself to "male power fantasy" protags because that's a losing battle. I can't compete with likes of Leon, Dante, etc in terms of looks.
So if I make a Singapore account, do I need to change my IP address on my console every time I play?
>>317880351
marie is life
>>317879109
America's tolerance for senseless violence is pretty baffling. A kid can shoot up a school full of kindergarteners, and people just shrug their shoulders. They would rather trade a couple dozen dead kids for the abstract possibility of maybe buying an tool designed solely for mass murder, in the future.
On the Fallout subject, though, games are interactive art. they convey emotion, meaning, and teach cultural values. I think the stories in Fallout are way more valuable than watching some plastic waifus flounce around on a beach.
>>317873302
Hitomi is the greatest archievement this franchise ever reached....god fucking damm!
Who /SaikyouEdition/ here?
>>317880507
Not flat enough.
>>317880507
M A R I E
>>317870908
>X3
fuckoff
>>317879109
>What surprises me though is, in a time when we pretty much have a new terrorist attack every few months, feminists are worried about some sugar coated bikini game from japan, when a game like Fallout 4 grants players the ability to blow people's heads and limbs off and carry around discombobulated corpses...
>Who fucking cares about kids being exposed to such high levels of sadistic gameplay and gore, right? No, girls in bikinis, that's the shit that needs to be censored. That's the real danger.
I agree with the sentiment but it's still bad thinking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_relative_privation
>>317880486
Ofcourse not.
It's as easy as switching freely between your user profiles.
I'll be getting it once it's cheaper. $72 is too much for a fanservice game.
I am assuming the SJWs are high-fiving each other. They have won.
Even though I am a grown ass man that can make decisions for myself and would not bother anyone, fucking politics had to be inserted into this.
You know who suffers? Only the weebs like me that wanted to play this game. I am well aware of the critisisms of the series but I enjoyed the other games. And who cares other than me? Who will have a heart attack that I enjoyed myself on my free time?
Forget it - I am grateful for an english sub release. I hope Asia releases with subs become more common so I never have to care about a situation like this again.
>>317880524
> A kid can shoot up a school full of kindergarteners, and people just shrug their shoulders
No, the Democrats will start calling for gun control, and it'll be a contentious issue until the next midterm election.
>>317880634
lol you're retarded.
>>317880610
Does she use the handcuffs on herself or you is the question
>>317871137
Agreed
>>317870908
When is this game going to get nipples?
>>317879109
I generally agree, but I want to clarify a few things. Violence in games doesn't really matter either. Feminists, SJWs, politicians, etc. (the self-appointed nannies of the world, basically) always use this as an excuse to try to get games banned; the thought that some kid might play a game and then go try to emulate what he saw in the game. In reality this simply isn't what's happening. Very few people are that stupid, and I think there's a lot of projection coming from the feminists when they say that people might try to emulate what they see in a game. I'm not stupid enough to do that, and even as a kid I always had a strong concept of fiction VS. reality.
Furthermore, violence is actually very rarely done in games for the sake of violence. Violence is used as an excuse for the player to run, fight, hide, etc. without those concepts, there would be no "game". Every game would just be like Tetris or Animal Crossing or something. There has to be some sort of threat of danger for most games to be fun; there has to be a way to die, there has to be an enemy that needs to be killed or otherwise forced to stop. Of course, there are some games that glorify violence, but this still isn't really a problem because ultimately it's just fiction. The devs aren't telling you to go do that or something. They're not condoning that sort of behavior.
Also, the objectification of women in gaming is also a myth. Literally everything within every game is simply a fictional object for the player's amusement. It would be so fucking retarded if we had all these rocket launchers and machine guns at our disposal, but women were treated as human beings in these games where everything else is simply a toy for our amusement.
Feminism in gaming is literally nothing more than a series of strawman arguments, insane paranoia, the belief that fiction is real, the desire to control others, and a core misunderstanding of the concept of gameplay.
>>317880775
I hope on me.
>>317876309
You bet your ass I'm going to buy it
I don't even have a PS4 yet, but between STRAP SLIPS and play-asia's hilarity, they've earned my money. I'll have to get a PS4 eventually to play Nier 2 anyways.
>>317879794
Funny twist on reality, when it's actually feminazis who are trying to keep guys from getting this game.
I don't see how releasing a game like DOAX3 would keep female gamers off the market. Nobody is forcing you to buy it. Taking away somebody else's choice because you have some sort of sick disgruntled hate towards the genitalia of the opposite sex.
>>317880524
I have never seen somebody show a more complete lack of understanding than this post.
>>317877702
>Trivial
He'd make more than a million back, easy.
>>317880562
I did DOA friend.
>>317878363
>feminists now think age is just an abstract thing that they get to decide
I'd say "you gotta be joking" but honestly, at this point I'd believe anything about them.
Citation needed either way.
>>317880524
It always pains me to see you people who are pro-free speech but you don't think you should be able to shoot someone if they break in your house and try to kill you.
>>317880634
its Dead Or Alive Extreme 3 not an emoticon face you stupendous troglodyte
>>317880939
>a core misunderstanding of the concept of gameplay
no one who cared about gameplay would be trying to get any videogame banned from sale.
fun wreckers just need fun to wreck.
>>317879701
The idea, I admit, it a little weak, when applied to this game. Humanity has a habit of treating women like objects to be employed and exploited. Which is stupid because women are not much different for men, when you ignore their physical bodies. So, if you can agree that making fun of someone for a trait they can't change is immoral (calling blacks niggers, saying jewish people are all cheap and sneaky) then devoting an entire piece of work to making women look like brainless puppets who prance around to be stared at is also immoral.
I mean, that's the whole argment around giving female characters agency. Lara Croft is a celebrated character (minus her stupid huge tits) because she is the star and driving force of her game series. female fighting game characters generally get a pass because they are just as stylized and violent as the male characters. Rainbow Mika has a pretty big ass, and pretty small underwear, you know...
It's not the bikinis. it's the fact that the DOAX girls are basically house cats that you stare at and poke when you are bored.
again, a small thing to get pissed about. I really wonder why Tecmo wussed out on it
>SJWs try to ban game
>SJWs cant touch Japan because theyre all amerifat tumblrinas and glorious nippon doesnt give a shit
>game is still going to be available in english
>SJWs try to boycott websites that are selling it now
wew laddy
I WANT TO COMMIT A CRIME
>>317881163
I'm the guy you responded to. I wish the post that was deleted was still here. Basically Marie is 18 but the guy (or more likely, bitter female feminist) was saying Marie is still pedobait or something (I forget exactly what xe said).
I mean the butthurt is just staggering. Every time something like this happens I assume it's some girl in her 20's who didn't get laid as a teen and now spends her days trying to get men to stop enjoying young girls.
>>317881453
SJWs don't even know what a boycott is. For something to be boycotted, you would have to be part of the people who were planning to buy the item in the first place.
It would be like if I said I was gonna boycott Bath & Body works, and I'm a fucking 24 year old guy who never shops there.
>>317880726
You are late to the party, man. that kid shot up that kindergarten years ago. Dems did call for gun control. nobody budged.
>>317881078
care to elaborate?
>>317873548
Won't the downloaded content be locked to that account? I have the demo for Eyes of Heaven on my console, and I can't access it without the account that downloaded it.
>>317881448
I'll never understand why this is the problem area, you put in enough thought that you came to the conclusion that it is immoral to make a game about women bouncing around half naked. During that train of thought you didn't hop off at PORN? All porn (not featuring humans maybe, just to narrow it down) is immoral. All hentai, echi, hell even gay porn or tranny porn. Why video games?
It's because nobody else will take your ludicrous worldview seriously.
>>317873593
Making a Singapore account right now. What do I put for the Postal code?
>>317881453
>Japan doesn't care about us
>Based Hong Kong chinks make multi languages version and sell it online.
>>317881448
Are you even aware that the DOA girls aren't real people?
I could relate to this whole argument if this was some real modeling company exploiting real humans, but this is goddamn fiction. It's pure fantasy. Nothing more and nothing less. The reason people in Japan aren't interested in a moral debate about this is because to them the difference between what is fantasy and what is reality is crystal clear.
>>317881448
fiction != reality.
learn the difference.
>>317881448
Women are fundamentally different than men. Women aren't men and therefore should not be treated like men.
>DOAX girls are basically house cats that you stare at and poke when you are bored
Even if that were true, so what? They're not fucking real.
>>317881906
Not really, you showed in your post that you don't understand firearms, US firearm law, US cultural views on sexuality and nudity, or even rudimentary logic. I didn't go to school to be a professor so no, I don't want to teach you how to be not retarded.
I'd rather talk about video games.
>with the rise of video games came a drop in violent crime
>people who would normally be bored and have to resort to violence to get their kicks can now just play video games; beating each other up and shooting each other in games instead of in real life
>likewise, with the rise of the internet and easily accessible pornography, rape statistics have gone down
>feminists constantly demanding restrictions on video games, the internet, porn, etc. while claiming to want less violence and less rape
Makes perfect sense!
>>317881448
>DoA shouldn't exist because pixels have rights too!
>>317881448
>DOAX girls are basically house cats that you stare at and poke when you are bored
Where's the problem in this. is it in the fact that they're housecats or is it the fact that they're girls or what?
>>317881448
>Humanity has a habit of treating women like objects to be employed and exploited.
See:
>>317880939
>Also, the objectification of women in gaming is also a myth. Literally everything within every game is simply a fictional object for the player's amusement. It would be so fucking retarded if we had all these rocket launchers and machine guns at our disposal, but women were treated as human beings in these games where everything else is simply a toy for our amusement.
>>317882074
I forgot. Pretty sure I just pulled some addresses from Google.
When I made my Japan account for instance I just put in one of the addresses for Sony-Japan.
>>317882280
>>317882238
>>317882104
This is something that doesn't add up for me. If playing a game like this influences my behavior when dealing with women, that shows (or is supposed to show) that I am incapable of distinguishing reality from fiction/fantasy. Now if that were the case (I'm relatively sure its not) wouldn't it be rather more important to address the rampant violence in games, over these sexism qualms?
>>317882346
>I'd rather talk about video games.
Obligatory remark about how we don't talk about vidya here
>>317881178
no one is arguing against self defense. the issue is with the proliferation of military weapons and tools of mass killing. shit like high capacity magazines, for example. if a guy breaks into your house, a shotgun is fine. it works just as well as an AR-15 with full auto and a drum magazine. People want cry about street violence and the need for concealed carry, when pepper spray is just as effective as a .45. (provided you are upwind, anyway...)
the thing that gun advocates fail to address is that criminals don't buy guns. they steal them. because they are criminals. who do they steal them from? retards who think they need an AR-15 and 500 rounds of ammo. Who don't leave their guns in the safe with a trigger lock.
It is, apparently, tricky to figure out how many burglaries get stopped because the homeowner had a gun, but best estimates point to a pretty small number. fewer than the number of people killed by crime, mass shootings, accidental shootings, and gun suicide
>>317882479
dont mind him
he is just Slut Shaming those virtual woman
>>317882074
Singaporean here. You can try putting in a random 6 digit number.
Otherwise, try
>>317882691
>>317881448
>DOAX girls are basically house cats
No, that would make them more attractive than they already are.
Are you on a moral crusade to ban fictional things that offend you?
>>317882696
Exactly. Yet nobody is petitioning for Fallout 4 to be censored or removed.
>>317882074
I am not sure if the postal code is tied to your credit card's billing address though.
>>317879489
>Tecmo: We have no plans to release this game because backlash blah blah blah
>Me: It's probably because SocJus had a hissy-fit over DOA5. Shame, I wanted to pick it up...
>Play-Asia: You could buy the Asian version from us. It's region free and in English
>Me: I think I will!
>SocJus: LOL! So manipulated! You're just doing to this to spite us!
>>317882030
I think Tecmo is taking my worldview seriously, because they canceled the game!
also, don't assume that the focus is just on one tiny area, rather than all of society. you need to let go of this persecution complex. Also, learn to nuance.
like I said, its not about women flouncing around half naked. Nobody is crying about Rainbow Mika's huge, naked butt. they cry when she smacks it, because that is gratuitous and vulgar. the fact that it is clearly exposed while beating the shit out of Vega is not an issue.
Porn is not immoral. video games are not immoral. depicting women as brainless dolls is immoral. unless the woman volunteers for it. like, if the DOAX were about women doing something interesting and exciting, while pretending to be brainless dolls, part time. in fact, I would probably buy that game.
again Agency, anon. AGENCY
>>317883232
this_to be_honest_family.jpg
Not even gonna buy the game, but literally the only difference between KT's response and Play-Asia's tweet is the use of the acronym SJW. And I'm to believe I'm being manipulated by Play-Asia if I were to buy it?
Fuck off.
>>317882752
Thanks for the (You)
>>317882832
The facts don't agree. You're reacting to something that is statistically negligable because you were told its scary by some poloticians. Of 12,664 murders reported by the FBI in 2011 (most recent year) 6,220 were committed with standard capacity handguns.
Rifles accounted for 323 of the murders, with all rifles lumped into that category including bolt action, semi auto, lever, pump, and single. It is safe to assume that not all of these rifles had high capacity magazines.
>It is, apparently, tricky to figure out how many burglaries get stopped because the homeowner had a gun, but best estimates point to a pretty small number. fewer than the number of people killed by crime, mass shootings, accidental shootings, and gun suicide
The CDC reported, and I quote, “Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.”
So yeah it would be hard to find them if you intentionally avoid learning about them.
>>317882832
>when pepper spray is just as effective as a .45
except criminals will intentionally spray themselves with it to build a tolerance
not even tasers are effective for stopping people under the influence of certain drugs
and the kind of person that would commit a home invasion is likely not in a sane state of mind (which is why you shoot first rather than trying to announce your presence or rack the pump on a shotgun because they may decide to charge at you).
and limiting the size of a magazine does nothing except punish law abiding gun owners, because they're the only ones that would obey the law, a criminal isn't going to use a low capacity magazine because it's against the law, in the same way a criminal isn't going to stay out of a "gun free zone" to commit a mass murder
vast, vast majority of mass shootings take place on gun free zones, by the way, because it's easy pickings
and vast majority of gun crime/homicides via firearm are committed with handguns, not that AR-15 that they can't conceal
>>317883232
Meanwhile, over at the Boardroom:
>Play-Asia: Techmo, our collaborative efforts to market and sell this product is going better than expected! We should do this more often!
>Techmo: I agree!
>>317882104
>>317882238
because if fiction didn't affect feelings and thoughts, then it would not exist. Porn damn sure would not exist. the fact that a silhouette of two figures having sex can turn people on is proof that abstractions can affect people.
if this game didn't affect your feelings and thoughts, then why do you want it? Infants don't give a shit about images moving on a screen. they know it's not real, and non-reality is not useful to them. you want it because of how it affects you. it also affects other people. maybe not in the same way. maybe in a bad way
>>317883435
I don't fell persecuted, so do with that what you will.
Something that is not alive cannot have agency, are not familiar with the way that works?
If depicting women as brainless dolls is immoral, than is depicting a man being shot immoral?
>>317882626
>>317882562
I get the feeling that you aren't trying to understand, but just want to defend your argument. I am trying to be reasonable, and would really like to have an honest discussion about this
>>317883832
This devalues your argument and makes it seem petty under the looming issue of video game violence.
>>317883832
That's why kids shoot up schools after playing video games, right?
You're essentially saying we should ban all works of fiction you personally find offensive, what a joke.
>>317882832
This is all so incredibly wrong. I guess you believe whatever stats you hear on the mainstream media in whatever country you're from.
>no one is arguing against self defense.
Really? Because preventing people a way of defending themselves is denying them a means of self-defense. What you just said is the same type of doublethink feminists use when they try to get things banned or censored, but don't want it to be seen as such.
>the issue is with the proliferation of military weapons and tools of mass killing.
They're not military weapons in most cases.
>shit like high capacity magazines, for example.
Criminals don't obey the law. Restrictions on magazine capacity would make it so that people who obey the law now have lower magazine capacities, and people who don't obey the law still have access to whatever they want.
>if a guy breaks into your house, a shotgun is fine. it works just as well as an AR-15 with full auto and a drum magazine.
You are offering an alternative, with no solid reason to take that alternative. What if someone wants to use an AK or an AR? Why do they have to use a shotgun? I will also point you to the countless youtube videos of small framed people and women trying to use shotguns.
>>317884158
>People want cry about street violence and the need for concealed carry, when pepper spray is just as effective as a .45. (provided you are upwind, anyway...)
Threatening or taking their life is more effective than pepper spray which just irritates the eyes. They can still hurt you if you use pepper spray. I know you will try to contest this point but shooting them is non-negotiably a more effective solution than pepper spray. If I was going to arm someone to defend themselves, I'd arm them with a gun, not pepper spray, because the gun is the better weapon.
>the thing that gun advocates fail to address is that criminals don't buy guns. they steal them. because they are criminals. who do they steal them from? retards who think they need an AR-15 and 500 rounds of ammo. Who don't leave their guns in the safe with a trigger lock.
No, this is what gun-control advocates fail to address. We know criminals break the law. Gun control advocates believe that placing legal restrictions on guns would affect the criminals, when it actually only affects the law abiding citizen.
>It is, apparently, tricky to figure out how many burglaries get stopped because the homeowner had a gun, but best estimates point to a pretty small number. fewer than the number of people killed by crime, mass shootings, accidental shootings, and gun suicide
americangunfacts.com
>Every year, guns are used over 80x more often to protect a life than to take one!
Not that this will change your mind. You've already made up your mind and that's why you started thinking of an excuse of how your will respond to this, instead of considering the possibility that maybe it's right and actually bothering to check.
It never ceases to amaze me, you Europeans who know nothing about guns yet have to stick your noses in our business and judge Americans about it constantly, just like feminists in gaming.
>>317883786
Meanwhile, in the real world:
>literally the only people unhappy with this arrangement are the SJWs
>>317883619
I will have to look up that CDC quote. The Washington Post seemed to have some trouble finding it.
>>317883832
Then we should ban violent games, anon.
Your argument is exactly the same thing as Jack Thompson from the 90's. A normal person can see the difference between reality and fiction, but because there might be some crazy person out there who might conceivably take it seriously, we need to ban everything forever.
Why no Marie?
>>317884103
Basically what you're implying is that there's no other option than to agree with you. If we don't agree with you, clearly we don't understand your argument.
>>317882832
>pepper spray
sounds like a good way to turn a rape into a murder
how about just shooting them in the head instead?
>>317884284
>I will have to look up that CDC quote. The Washington Post seemed to have some trouble finding it.
In other words, you're going to pretend you didn't hear it, remain intentionally ignorant, and continue using your misinformation. Well no such luck. Here you go.
http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1
>game journalists pros group trying to throw their "Weight" around
>literally no one cares
>they update their articles 15 times pretending its a hot button issue
>literally no one cares
>>317884520
No anon, if you're taking down an attacker you go center body mass. This is CC 101.
>>317884284
>I won't believe it unless it comes from The Washington Post
>>317884284
>The Washington Post
>CDC Study
Make sure when there is a perfectly good study out there that you view it though the lens of your favorite biased news source instead of reading it yourself!
>>317871412
Keep getting upset by boobs.
It only makes us stronger.
>>317884757
You're going to be shooting point blank if it's a rape, but yeah, you're right.
>>317884914
>It only makes us harder
FTFY
>>317875931
>SJWs whine
>people do the opposite of ignore it
>people join in solidarity to support the company standing up against them
>>317881005
This. I doubt I would have even bought the game before today.
>>317884103
I'm not any of those anons you replied before.
I'm still confused as to why you seem to be against fictional characters be like housecats.
>>317884914
As a guy who is often rejected by women, I have to say there is nothing more satisfying and empowering to me than seeing a feminist moan and complain about men enjoying young women. That proves to me that they are even lonelier and more bitter than me.
Keep whining about men enjoying young girls, feminists. You're literally empowering the patriarchy when you do it.
>>317871412
Since when have they ever been capable of holding an arguement?
You'll know they're here as their tactic of dealing with threads like this is posting bestiality to get it deleted.
>>317885018
>literally untreated paranoid schizophrenia
>yfw 20k followers
>>317885010
Oh shit thanks, my bad.
>>317885018
>people who don't agree with me politically do all this random bullshit I accuse them of that doesn't even really make sense
Holy fucking shit is this really the best argument SJWs can produce?
>>317883435
>Porn is not immoral. video games are not immoral. depicting women as brainless dolls is immoral
and you honestly believe that in a franchise where the girls are into high-level competitive martial arts one day, and dancing around in a bikini the next, that their personal choice in this isn't implied?
I think people with your world view think you know what Japanese culture and moral is all about, but you're judging it based on a judeo-christian point of view on which western society is based.
The idea that their views on portrayal of females in game are inherently wrong, is probably because you lack the capacity to understand, relate to, or respect their culture and views on this matter.
Again, in Japan there is a clear separation between reality and fiction. To them it's nothing more than fiction and entertainment. Nothing that has anything to do with real life, or real people.
Something that seems ever so clear to us in the west when dealing with a character like Batman. A grown-ass man who dresses up in an armored Halloween costume to beat up and scare criminals, who also hires underage boys to follow in his footsteps.
If Robin was a girl though, you would probably scream bloody murder about the costume with the green underoos and the pixyboots.
You don't ever hear anyone discuss the problem that Batman presents, convincing kids that beating people up in a costume is how you solve problems, or that Bruce Wayne looks like the absolute perfect human male.
>>317884103
I genuinely don't understand. Can you explain to me why fictional things, any fiction things should, be censored?
>>317883832
Everything you said can very easily be explained as -
Well yes.
Fiction affects us.
But in what way?
No harm, no foul.
>maybe in a bad way
This is begging the question. And this is where you need to stop.
>>317885018
I think this guy does need help for real.
>>317885018
>based on the past 12 hours
Oh you mean the follow milestones and Smug Anime girls triggered you?
What kind of social retard spends $60 on this trash. It's not even a porn game. What's the point? Fucking pathetic.
>>317883435
>depicting women as brainless dolls is immoral
Begging the question.
>>317884267
Meanwhile in the bathroom..
>Tecmo: Oh oh fuck fuck yeaaa!!!
>Play-Aisa: Dude...
>SJW: HAHAHAHA
>Me: 0_0
>>317884478
I get that people can disagree. that's fine, and I would like people to disagree with me because I need to know if my ideas are right, or not. These arguments aren't good arguments, though. they nitpick individual words and don't address my actual argument. or, just ignore the things I said entirely.
>>317885451
Calm down autismo
>>317883435
>depicting women as brainless dolls is immoral.
Do you even fucking care that this is a strawman argument? You are accusing the developers of putting such a message into their game, which is clearly not what they are trying to convey.
Your entire argument falls apart because of this, but I'm sure you'll waste both of our times with some shitty excuse for you to continue believing it. God forbid that you actually consider the possibility that you're wrong.
>>317885653
neat ad hominemfaggot
Do you even know where you are?
>>317885719
Have you ever heard of, "proof by assertion," "argument ad lapidem," and,
"begging the question?"
Because that is your entire argument/counter argument structure.
>>317885719
No, sorry, I specifically addressed and refuted your argument, and now you're just saying that it isn't a good argument. You're also making a clear effort to argue about the argument to get away from the specific points, which you were clearly wrong about.
>>317885451
NO ONE THINKS THESE THINGS ARE REAL UNLESS THEY ARE MENTALLY ILL
NO ONE
NOT IN THE WEST
NOT IN THE EAST
DO YOU THINK BATMAN IS REAL?
WHAT IN THE FUCK
>>317885905
He probably hasn't. Just tell him to take a introductory logic course.
>>317885973
I'm getting that too.
He's very much trying to weasel out of this
>>317885842
Yeah and not every one on 4chan jerks off to clothed Chinese cartoon girls. Been here for 7 years friendo and I still only jerk off to actual porn
>>317883832
Hey guess what, evil people existed 1000 years ago too, they didn't have media to affect their feelings and thoughts, maybe human beings are complex creatures whose personalities and behaviours form over time due to society influences, parenting, education, close human relations, religion, etc, maybe.
>>317886126
I'm so sorry to hear that.
>>317885905
>begging the question
Not him, but can someone explain what this means exactly, and provide an example (especially examples from this thread would be helpful)? I know about fallacies but this is one that I don't understand.
>>317885719
What is your argument?
We should ban fictional things? First you need to prove these things actually effect the real world in a meaningful way. Until then, you don't have an argument at all.
>>317884589
thats a good resource
>>317886126
>I still only jerk off to actual porn
You say that like you deserve a medal for it.
>>317886126
You'll understand when you're older.
>>317886368
>You say that like you deserve a medal for it.
That's why I don't like normies. If we're going to award medals to people for what they jerk off to, wouldn't it be better to award the people who have jerked off to strange, disgusting, disturbing things, and things that simply aren't normal?
>>317884313
I don't think banning art is a good idea. It is a lot better to limit the market penetration, or to alter the work. or to just educate the audience about the context and value of the work so they won't get carried away by the impact of the violence.
I mean, I love playing Borderlands 2. I find the violence comical and cathartic, but I don't think that's what my 10 year old nephew is getting out of it. he consumes nothing but violent video games, and I think its messing with his head. its all he talks about. more importantly, I don't think he is catching the more sophisticated content of those games. he doesn't understand the lore, or get the character interaction, or understand the game mechanics. Also, when he is playing COD, or GTA, he isn't playing games that he would understand and be better served by, like stuff on his 3DS. So, he isn't getting the "adult" stuff in the adult games, and he isn't getting the good stuff in the kiddie games. He is just getting mindless violence.
that's not the game's fault, to be sure. there are a lot of forces at play, and they all need to be addressed. INCLUDING the game publishers, themselves.
And don't get all autistic on me and think this post is just about a single 10 year old boy. it is a parable for the gaming market, as a whole. Maybe /v/ only cares about its insular little world, but outside there are people trying to build a more just, and enjoyable society. they will push all the buttons and pull all the levers they can reach, to make this happen. No one is doing this just to screw with you. they probably don't even know /v/ exists.
inb4 someone makes some completely unfounded assumptions about my sister's mothering skills and moral character. possibly calling her a whore
>>317886306
GODDAM I forgot how funny that shit is
>>317886280
>can someone explain what this means exactly, and provide an example (especially examples from this thread would be helpful)? I know about fallacies but this is one that I don't understand.
Begging the question is very simple to understand.
Take for instance if I were to assert something without proof and then go on an argument and use that statement as part of my argument.
Like say that, "depicting women in media as anything but in a positive way is immoral" would be begging the question; I haven't proven what I said is true. In fact, what is moral and immoral is not 100% objective. It's a subjective opinion and from person to person, it's different. So, to use it in an argument to prove something isn't possible.
But that's just using that as an example.
Another example might be. "Because the pope has 30 dead rats under his hat, we know that he has some kind of disease for sure."
I'd be begging the question.
>>317886628
That's because he has shitty parents. It is not the job of a governing body, or a video game company to raise him. If your family wasn't so self absorbed his parents would probably talk with him about it, but you already display the "I need somebody to protect me" attitude in your arguments.
>>317886628
You are missing the point of why you 10yrs old nephew is playing those games.
Is the kid parents fault. Not the videogames or society fault.
>>317884589
>http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1
holy shit, this thing is 110 pages
major respect to the twitter guy for managing to piss off so many neogaf users
>>317882083
Chinks are all about the $, but it works out in this case.
>>317885451
Literally the most retarded pseudo intellectual Bullshit I've read all day. Batman doesn't teach anybody how to do anything of what you just said. This is how fucking people divorced from fucking reality think. I bet you also think that watching sex in the city (which you seem to be like thekind of person who would you huge faggot) teaches people how to be horsefaced turbo sluts. Fuck. Take any form of fucking entertainment and put your logic on it.
Your logic probably makes you think that people who watch football might turn everybody into spandex dudes that walk around and tackle people for fun.
Get your fucking head checked, fuck you're stupid.
>>317883435
>depicting women as brainless dolls is immoral.
yeah man, I'm sure all these imaginary women that don't exist are being abused
women in the porn industry don't get abused either! no way that can happen, only fictional videogame characters can
>>317883998
>banned
Of course.
>>317886628
>It is a lot better to limit the market penetration, or to alter the work. or to just educate the audience about the context and value of the work so they won't get carried away by the impact of the violence.
Or you can leave the artist to have their freedom of expression and let the audience interpret the work for themselves.
Entertainment does not need to disperse information, anyway. Entertainment should stay purely as entertainment. Moreover, a free market should dictate what sells, not your personal opinion on what you believe shouldn't be consumed by someone else.
>>317886628
>or to alter the work
If you alter something due to moral offense, that is censorship.
>but outside there are people trying to build a more just, and enjoyable society.
A more just society is one that is more fair.
Censorship isn't by its definition, fair. Because it is based on the morals of the one doing the censoring or making the decision to censor. And morals are subjective. What is offensive to you is not offensive to everyone.
MORE TO THE POINT:
You haven't said anything other than a lot of platitudes that don't prove anything or address anything and I can easily disprove more of them; video games do not harm society, and we have proof of this. You do not have proof that they DO and therefore need to be changed or withheld from society.
You need proof that they are harmful to society to withhold them or change them, or what you're doing is logically unsound and you are prescribing actions based on your personal morals and enforcing your personal morals on other people.
I personally find that wrong and I know that a lot of other people do as well. The dictionary definition of enforcing your personal beliefs as dogmatic law of the land is fascism.
I'm being objective here.
>>317886126
>feel jealous of my shit taste
Heh
>actually replying to a braindead feminist-apologist
stop it /v/
>>317886628
In what way is intentionally limiting market penetration or alteration not censorship? Are you actually braindead?
You cousin has lazy parents. It's their job to either be sure he is adjusted enough to play those games, to explain them to him so he can be, or limit his access to them. The government, nor 2k is responsible for the rearing of your cousin. This applies to all children and parents, and all forms of media. Would your cousins parents let him read The Things They Carried? or Fifty Shades of Gray without monitoring or discussing them with him?I'm sure your sister is a fine parent. Raising kids is hard, I've got two, but censorship is bad in all forms. Don't start down that slippery slope. Though it is not the job of our government to protect us from being offended it is our job to protect ourselves from ideas like yours.
>>317885147
I am only sort of against it. I am just applying the principle as I have learned i. I think it's a pretty stupid thing to rail against.
I think those games are tasteless and crass, and support some people's opinion that women are vapid and useless, but I bet most people who buy that game just want to enjoy the tingle of low-risk voyeurism. I will not defend DOAX, but I don't think it should be banned, or anything. If you want to ban something, ban Sony from making any more movies with the Marvel licenses. they are soulless cash-grabs and shit and they make Baby Jesus cry.
>>317886628
>but I don't think that's what my 10 year old nephew is getting out of it. he consumes nothing but violent video games, and I think its messing with his head. its all he talks about. more importantly, I don't think he is catching the more sophisticated content of those games
10 year old kid playing M rated games, because that's totally not the real problem here.
>>317887150
This irony is my favorite irony.
>ignore SJWs and they have no force
where are those retards now?
>>317887439
baby jesus cries when you tell other people what to believe and tell people that they can't enjoy something that they like that you don't.
reminder to simply NEVER
EVER
respond to anybody who gets offended by the term "sjw". just ignore them. it's not worth. I'm serious, don't even think about it. turn off your computer if you have to.
attention is what these people thrive on. attention & the feeling of being "holier than thou" without any actual reasoning or logic backing it up. ignore it all and it will go away.
>>317887512
But you guys didn't ignore them so I don't see your point
>>317887150
Way to misread the point.
The point was that we (myself included) have no problem whatsoever in being able to understand that Batman is fiction.
That is why the "presentation of women in games" reaction to DOAX3, and the complete lack of understanding Japanese views on this subject are so ridiculous.
The problem i think, is that the deluded idea we have here, is that every female character in fiction is supposed to be a rolemodel for real women.
>>317886628
>trying to build a more just, and enjoyable society
By destroying free expression and artistic integrity? Really, now? I know people throw around fascism as an insult without even understanding it, but what you're describing is fascism.
>>317887727
/v/ alone doesn't give these fucks power.
you know they poke and prod at the internet trying to get a reaction (or just send fake threats against themselves) to get some
jesus are you this new and naive? these guys are professional victims.
>>317879296
>dress them up
Oh g-goy... does this mean I can give them all leather black boots?
>>317887903
That seems really inappropriatefor the beach.
Hey feminists and SJWs, why won't you address this argument?
Everything within a game is simply a toy for the player's amusement, and women are no exception. You don't complain when male characters die; that's just violence against "people" rather than violence against men. You don't create all these strawman arguments and put words into the developer's mouths when something bad happens to a man in a game. So you shouldn't do it when bad things happen to women either. I thought men and women were equal but all of the feminists are going against that.
>>317885818
you probably don't understand moe is, or how the gaming and anime industries work, in japan.
games and video are hideously expensive, in japan, because that is the tradition of pricing. In the early days, Japan had a booming economy, and could support those prices. since the market crash, in the late 90's, and the decade-long recession the market for these works has diminished. To stay profitable within the existing market structure, these companies have had to chase more reliable sources of revenue: Otaku. Otaku will buy their favorite product SLAVISHLY. You heard about guys buying tens of thousands of AKB48 singles so they can collect enough tickets to get their favorite member to shake their hand? yeah... slavishly.
Tecmo is probably proud of Dead or Alive, but they really need (want?) that otaku cash to keep their account books in the red. Otaku tend to not have very progressive views on women...
>>317888136
>why won't you address this argument?
That'd require them to using logic. They'd rather die than do something as logical as that.
>>317888230
it's called a free market
>game is called dead or alive
>starts off as a grim dark fighting game
>one of the best 3D arena fighters of the ps1 era
>rivaled soul calibur and battle arena toshiden
>ends up as a sexualized shit mario party game
How did this series fall so much?
This place was more fun before everything was about the SJW boogeyman
>>317888230
>you probably don't understand moe is
Oh my, that's rich, because you're the one who thinks it's the creators "depicting women as brainless dolls". Again, literally a strawman argument, and therefore you're wrong - But you don't care and won't change your opinion.
>>317886229
this is very true. We would like there to be fewer evil people, however, and given that crime rates are decreasing, worldwide, and that life expectancy is going up, worldwide, I would say that our efforts are having some positive results.
If people are such complex creatures, then we need to apply pressure to a wide array of forces to nudge these creatures into being kinder, more cooperative, etc... That includes the media they consume. It is a small part, but it is a part.
>>317880027
I know one in person. Of course shes also a huge weeb
why are people losing their minds over weeaboo tittyball
>>317888672
I agree, but this "boogeyman" is having a demonstrable impact on gaming. Fair enough if it's some /pol/-tier "THE JEWS!!!" bullshit, but SJWs have been campaigning against video games for a long time.
How many years will it be until I can buy a sexbot that looks like Marie Rose?
>>317886628
One of the annoying as fuck, outright delusional things that pisses me off about /v/ is that people here generally think that media doesn't affect the viewer or their view of reality on the world because if people on /v/ did admit that, they would have to admit that what the "SJWs" are saying actually does have merit.
What makes this even more insane is that you have literal propaganda games made to brainwash gamers. The US army spends millions helping develop games like CoD and Battlefield, because they know that recruitment these days is strongly linked to video games. I have close friends that joined the army because they were CoD fags and thought the army would be "fun" based on their experiences of CoD and Battlefield, this is the effect that video games have had in my personal life, my friends have literally made life changing decisions based on fucking ideological indoctrination from video games.
How hard is it to them believe that when games constantly treat women nothing more as sex objects who you only need to input some actions to fuck, that gamers will treat women as nothing more than sex objects. The fact that the MRA movement and PUA movement with their "do these actions to get laid" is so popular among gaming circles (just look at KiA) in my opinion is no coincidence, instead of learning to have real emotional bonds with other humans, trained by video games, they view other humans as NPC's which they need to manipulate with a fucking walkthrough to "win".
In "hating SJWs" /v/ has swung so far into anti-intellectual /pol/ tier delusion it's actually basically made it impossible to have real discussion on things like propaganda in gaming on this site.
>>317888690
>clearly it should be up to someone smarter, like me, to decide what people should and shouldn't be allowed to do, own, produce and consume.
This is a novel idea nobody has ever heard before. It's fucking Facism. Do you not see that?
>20K followers
>>317888586
>starts off as a grim dark fighting game
No it didn't. The first thing i ever saw about it was an article stating that this was the first game in history with a bouncing breast option.
In DOA1 up to DOA3 each character had about 10 to 20 unlockable costumes, including bikini sets.
>>317888230
Question - Why are you dehumanizing "Otakus"? These are people who can't get laid, they're obsessed with Japanese culture, and yes they probably have some negative feelings about women, but they aren't violent and it is simply an internal struggle.
If someone spoke in the way you are speaking, about a feminist in her 20's or 30's who couldn't get laid, and had negative feelings about men, etc. (basically the female version of a male Otaku), you'd be flipping your shit.
So sorry but that makes you a sexist piece of shit and nobody should take any of your ideas seriously.
>>317888690
you would trully like to live in north korea.
>>317888991
>>317889079
Nobody cares about your faux moderate posturing. People like you are the reason Gamer Gate never went beyond twitter fights because you were too worried about "muh big tent".
>>317889264
>but they aren't violent and it is simply an internal struggle.
The term otaku gained popularity after a dude raped and killed several primary school girls.
>>317889079
Actual recruitment videos also do this. Why are you not upset about those? Or the tables they set up in high schools, or the kiosks they put at hockey games, or in malls? Why video games?
Because you can't have any effect on any other facet because nobody other than these poor basement dwellers takes your carebear worldview seriously. You could never affect change in cinema, or television. Much less still art or books. You're clambering because you're realizing your worldview doesn't work. Humans aren't all just gonna love each other.
>>317888690
It is a small part that doesn't affect 99.9% of the population including you and me, would you deny entertainment for them so 0.1% of crazies maybe just maybe be less crazy?
So where's our Operation Boobfall to get koei to turn this decision around?
>>317889407
And then you blamed all men for it. You do know "otaku" is simply the Japanese word for house? That's what it means; it's a guy who doesn't leave his house.
>>317889502
>And then you blamed all men for it.
No just the crazy shut-ins that can't tell the difference between reality and anime.
>>317888690
I shouldn't have to say this, but things have been the shittiest they've ever been. Everyone with half a brain could see that.
>>317888586
>starts off as a grim dark fighting game
where do you pull this shit out of?
>>317871137
You are the worst thing to happen to Dead or Alive.
>>317885973
okay...
>Also, the objectification of women in gaming is also a myth. Literally everything within every game is simply a fictional object for the player's amusement. It would be so fucking retarded if we had all these rocket launchers and machine guns at our disposal, but women were treated as human beings in these games where everything else is simply a toy for our amusement.
I didn't reply to this because the poster ignored my explanation of why I thought his argument was wrong and simply repeated himself. And repeated himself with a self contradictory statement!
He said that women are not being objectified, but went on to say that videogames are escapist fantasies where everything is an object for the player's enjoyment. He even insisted that trying to not objectify women is retarded.
>Where's the problem in this. is it in the fact that they're housecats or is it the fact that they're girls or what?
and this post completely ignored my explanation and posed a silly question. that, or the poster has terrible reading comprehension.
I object, and I assume SJWs, as well, to female characters being portrayed as weak, powerless, and (literally) brainless. Hayao Miyazaki said something about otaku that was basically, "otaku don't want a girlfriend. they want a pet." a creature that has no desires, no interests, no individual thoughts besides what the owner wants them to have. Its a nice fantasy, having a robot girlfriend who will make you a sandwich and give blowjobs on command. Real women don't work like that. some people worry that games like DOAX reinforce harmful stereotypes about women and appease people who should be given no comfort.
Me, personally, i just think it makes a shit game. Nowhere in this post, anywhere, is the assertion that DOAX should be banned
>>317889608
Are you even the original person I was responding to? Because if so, you avoided most of my points.
>can't tell the difference between reality and anime.
I find that ironic because feminist are the ones who think fiction is reality.
>Reject SJWs and pander to gamers
>SJWs try to threaten you into submission
>Tell them to fuck off
>Receive 3x the business and support
Take note, game devs.
>>317889620
You can't possibly believe that.
>>317889620
Watch less mainstream news idiot. We have more food on the planet than ever before, more clean drinking water. You suck up the almarmist shit they feed you. You know murders are at an all time low globally and declining? No you don't because you're a fucking moron.
>>317889620
How long have you been alive?
>>317889427
Honestly, I find propaganda find when it's blatant propaganda, you aren't going to watch a military recruitment video and think "oh this is actually real", they are selling themselves and being up front with it.
Along with propaganda in video games, I do have huge problems with propaganda in movies. The Transformers movies, aimed at kids and teenage boys, are thinly veiled US army recruitment videos, you even have the US army save the day in several of the films (Transformers 1 and whatever one with the Pyramid and the army shoots the decepticon with a naval rail gun)
How in fuck marketing the army to fucking children who at 16 or whatever will sign up and fly off to Iraq to be killed by durka durka is allowed to go without criticism largely in the mainstream media is fucking beyond me.
At the same time, /v/ is absolutely retarded to think that media doesn't effect the viewer. Peoples entire worldviews beyond their personal lives are literally defined by the media.
>>317889924
>I find propaganda fine*
>>317889649
>ninjas
>dark angels
>clones of ninjas
>assassins
>jaguar head warriors
>...
>now
>Maids
>lolis
>big breasted school girls
>nurses
>corporate milfs
Seriously? I dont' even remember the last male character made
Can we get back on topic?
What would you name Marie and your's first child?
>>317889723
You know nothing about the characters, you know nothing about the game, but even you should know that DOA does not depict its women as weak or powerless, and I wouldn't call them brainless, but that's because I actually played the game.
You write long winded posts with lots of baseless assertions, and then cherry pick the posts you want to reply to. You'd get crushed if actually forced to speak to someone about this because of your tenuous grasp on the basics of logic.
>>317889723
Better be careful you might actually grow a vagina
>>317890171
Rose.
>>317890171
but I want to have a child with Honkers
>>317890086
Last male character made for the DOA series was Elliot in DOA4
Last female made for DOA was Marie in DOA5
On another note I love the way people complete miss out Nicole from DOA4s roster, sure she was a Halo tie in but shes still a female and yet shes the most covered of the DOA cast.
How long do you think play-asia will have the asian version in stock? I want to import but I can't justify spending that much at this moment in time.
>DoA threads are now going to be filled with reaction images and twitter screencaps rather than titties
fuck you guys
>>317890325
stop answering the blatant troll
>>317870908
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPd1TOPIBmc
Have you pre ordered yet?
Have you rewarded Play-Asia for not giving in to SJW nonsense?
>>317890086
>don't pay attention
>cherry pick
>list all the women
Nice.
Sounds to me like its because you're only looking at the women. That's not gamers' fault, its not the devs fault, its not societies fault. It's your fault.
>>317890290
Anon, you're silly. Everyone knows that Kasumi is better wife material.
>>317890171
Jesus
>>317890171
On the matter of Marie Rose, why hasn't anyone posted the complete cover art yet?
>>317890171
oddly enough that's a tough question, my name sounds like marie so i don't think i could ever have a kid with someone who has practically the same name as mebut a straight forward answer,probably beta gaylord
>>317890325
R-Rig?
>>317890290
Those tits will sag horribly once she hit 30s and have kids. Marie is a better bet.
Actually, she's the best.
>>317890435
Honkers would be a loving mother that would guarantee healthy babies.
>>317890540
Marie will die from child birth
>>317890423
>lists assassins
>ninjas
>think it's cherry picking
You go from Kasumi to Marie Rose. There's a problem there.
>>317890540
>>317890435
>>317890290
>>317890171
I think Mila would be a great mom.
>>317889723
>I didn't reply to this because the poster ignored my explanation of why I thought his argument was wrong and simply repeated himself. And repeated himself with a self contradictory statement!
More arguing about the argument, failing to address specific points, claiming victory, and assuming you're only arguing with one person.
>He said that women are not being objectified, but went on to say that videogames are escapist fantasies where everything is an object for the player's enjoyment. He even insisted that trying to not objectify women is retarded.
This is a strawman argument. I am the person who made that argument, and I'm telling you that that's not the point I was making. Nowhere did I say anything about "escapism", and where did I "insist that trying to not objectify women is retarded"? Everything you are saying is so disingenuous and it's just a bunch of strawman arguments and assumptions, but you still think you have a good point, you won't consider the possibility that you're wrong, you won't change your opinion, etc.
And it's not self-contradictory. To simply call it "objectification of women" is a fallacy, as everything in the game is literally an object for the player's amusement. That's what video games are. Everything within the game is merely a fictional toy for us to do whatever we want with.
Do you think Marie has sweety feet?
>>317890536
My bad forgot they added Rig in DOA5.
>>317888690
congratulations! theres a place you'll fit right in! it's called north korea.
go have fun!
>>317890629
To be fair Nyotengu is a good addition.
>>317890662
>Where's the problem in this. is it in the fact that they're housecats or is it the fact that they're girls or what?
That wasn't me. Amazing how you think this is such an unpopular opinion that only one person is disagreeing with you and debunking your bullshit.
>and this post completely ignored my explanation and posed a silly question. that, or the poster has terrible reading comprehension.
No, you just make self-serving assumptions and have terrible comprehension of who posted what.
>I object, and I assume SJWs, as well, to female characters being portrayed as weak, powerless, and (literally) brainless.
They're fictional so it doesn't matter.
>some people worry that games like DOAX reinforce harmful stereotypes about women and appease people who should be given no comfort.
>Me, personally, i just think it makes a shit game.
Yeah, I fucking doubt that. Why else would you be taking the time to type all this? Why would you waste time making an argument you don't believe in? You just know how fucking retarded it is and don't want to fully stand by it.
>>317890715
Last characters introduced both Male and Female included Rig and Nyo Tengu
>134 posters ITT
Think if we all pestered Koei a bit they might do a digital-only release or something?
>>317871137
idols were the worst thing to happen to this game
>>317890629
Elliot
Zack
Ein/Hayate (debatable)
Bass
Rig
Jan Lee
Raidou (?)
Hayabusa
Leon
Bayman
Brad Wong
Gen Fu
Akira
Jacky
If you don't remember them, that's on you man.
Post Kokoro.
>>317889079
>How hard is it to them believe that when games constantly treat women nothing more as sex objects who you only need to input some actions to fuck, that gamers will treat women as nothing more than sex objects.
Quite hard, considering you haven't made any connection or brought any proof to bear.
So what's the character list for DOA X3? I I know we have at least Kasumi, Ayane, Honkers, Marie, Nyotengu, Kokoro, and Hitomi. Is the last one Helena?
>>317890860
Sure, why not? The game has a lot of attention now because of all these events, and I don't really see how it could hurt them if they put it on Steam.
>>317887204
I think of altering a work as something akin to Nintendo imposing restrictions to maintain a certain image for their system, as a whole. when you pick up a Nintendo system, you know that any game you get for it, you can hand to your 10 year old and won't have to answer any difficult questions about the content.
I also think of companies editing films to avoid controversy and appeal to a wider market. Marvel, for instance, tailoring their films to be more palatable to female audiences, thus boosting their ticket sales. Censorship... Smart business... toMAYto, toMAHto
I think the definition is not simply, "one for everyone." or "everybody wins". you have to eat your vegetables. you cannot eat cake all day, every day. You can eat cake, most days, but not all day. a society is not just a group of people standing near each other. I think I am running up against one of the central values of /v/, when I say this, but a society is a group of people with shared risks and shared rewards. in that situation, somebody has to give up a little bit of something to get more of everything, for everybody.
I don't think there is any concrete proof that video games don't harm society. that is, I don't believe that videogames are absolutely safe. Entertainment affects people. that is so simple it's like saying food is something you eat. it is the act of being eaten that designates an object as food. (with exception to weirdos that eat poop, or whatever.) having your thoughts and feelings stimulated is what gets an experience designated as "entertainment", as opposed to simply being informative.
Media is how culture is transmitted and propagated. we tell stories that convey our fears and our values. do we teach each other that shooting random strangers and raping women is perfectly fine? One game is not going to change a person's mind, but when it is part of an entire culture, it can.
change the culture, and change the person who is growing in it.
fresh new meme hot off the press
>>317890652
she totally would
it's still counting
>>317883998
Fuck NeoGAF.
>>317890915
Half of those were from the first two games when it wasn't just about female pandering. Again, it went from some grim dark fighting game with a colorful cast of characters to sexy females.
>>317890086
I think you've got some games confused, gramps.
>>317875070
HAH! They haven't even entertained the idea with DOA5 and they're still churning out dlc costumes.
>>317891012
>I think of altering a work as something akin to Nintendo imposing restrictions to maintain a certain image for their system, as a whole. when you pick up a Nintendo system, you know that any game you get for it, you can hand to your 10 year old and won't have to answer any difficult questions about the content.
This is a pathetic and sheltered world view. If you ever have kids you're going to ruin their lives because you'll raise them to be little Jesuses instead of raising them to be a human being who is going to grow up and want sex and want their own family and want knowledge that you consider "forbidden".
>>317891124
What is he counting? how many cocks has he sucked today?
>>317888230
What's your point, or end game?
Are you going to ban this game?
Tell otaku they can't have it?
The only thing missing from the DoA series is exploding costumes.
You're seriously going to make be believe Kasumi's outfit isn't going to be tattered and torn after being blasted through a wall and into a pile of crates?
I DEMAND TO HAVE CLOTHING DESTRUCTION IN THE SERIES
>>317889079
>How hard is it to them believe that when games constantly treat women nothing more as sex objects who you only need to input some actions to fuck, that gamers will treat women as nothing more than sex objects
oh hi jack thompson, i though you were fired long ago.
Is Last Round worth getting just to fap to?PS4 version
>>317891174
>grim dark fighting game
I had no interest in this game whatsoever.
But now that I know it rustles SJW jimmies, I'm ALL IN.
>>317889079
>How hard is it to them believe that when games constantly treat men nothing more as murder objects who you only need to input some actions to kill, that gamers will treat men as nothing more than murder objects
>>317891012
>do we teach each other that shooting random strangers and raping women is perfectly fine?
Literally no. This is a strawman argument that you put on the developers of games.
>>317891101
ONE OF US
>>317891264
How many people who has dared questionherfor being this asshurtBLOCKED
im dying
>>317871137
No, but the other girl on the cover is pretty awful.
>>317891101
and people thought this guy would get fired over night
>>317891012
>I don't think there is any concrete proof that video games don't harm society.
The supreme court differs in its opinion.
There are over 12 different studies saying that video games do not lead to violent crime, murder, or behavior.
>Entertainment affects people. that is so simple it's like saying food is something you eat. it is the act of being eaten that designates an object as food. (with exception to weirdos that eat poop, or whatever.) having your thoughts and feelings stimulated is what gets an experience designated as "entertainment", as opposed to simply being informative.
This is a true. However you are making a huge leap in logic from this...
>do we teach each other that shooting random strangers and raping women is perfectly fine? One game is not going to change a person's mind, but when it is part of an entire culture, it can.
To this.
You say that since a game is part of an entire culture, you are insisting that the whole _culture_ is saying it's ok.
When it's patently false.
>>317891012
>I don't think there is any concrete proof that video games don't harm society
see:
>>317882438
Jim Sterling is a fucking kek
>SJW will never take your games
>literally what happened
>it's okay, the game is shit anyway and this is marketing ploy :^)
shit, I'm not even going to buy the game, but I wish that fat fuck has a stroke soon
>>317891101
>>317891547
The absolute madman
>>317891101
>>317891547
I am glad to see he is tweeting again, I was worrying about he getting fired or something.
Feminists don't care about dead or alive nor would they want to censor it, for such low hanging fruit, they've never campaigned against it and it's basically just used as an example (more it's marketing) of how far objectification does go in gaming.
The reason Feminists don't care about DoA is because it's not really an issue because it's up front with what it is, it's a game series specifically marketed since DoA3 as "Female objectification fap fantasy" and no one buys DoA thinking they are getting anything other than that, it's essentially a softcore porn game.
There has never been a single "SJW" campaign against DoA except where they whitewashed a single character in which Itagaki himself instigated the scandal anyway.
What feminists do have a problem the representation of women generally in games. How over many games women are generally presented as not much more than eye-candy or sex objects, how females have no agency and are basically mindless dolls, this is why Anita's show is called >>"TROPES"<<, 1 game isn't an issue, but the same representation appears over and over and over it does become an issue because games as a whole largely represent women as nothing more than an object for male enjoyment.
This is why cherry picking what Anita says like what Sargon of Akkad or Thunderf00t does is fucking retarded because it misses the point that Anita generally is talking about trends rather than a single specific issue and guess what, Anita is wrong plenty of the time, I would recommend Tooltime vs Feminist frequency as a sociological and philosophical critique of tropes vs women, but even he recognizes that even though Anita does often resort to fallacy (often composition and nonsensical slippery slopes) it still doesn't "debunk" what she is saying generally are issues are issues, just that Anita herself can make shitty arguments.
So the idea that feminists "banned" DoA or would even attack DoA is highly misplaced. No one cares about DoA apart from otaku.
>>317887772
"Free" anything has limits. your right to swing your fist stops at my face. maybe a few inches from my face...
nothing is truly "free", but I get your point. Crippling "free" expression is a terrible thing. I will not support anyone who advocates that. Channeling it? Okay. your right to create art stops when you are drawing it on someone's private property. Porn is fine. DOAX is fine. a culture that devalues half the population and imposes a lot of arbitrary double standards on that half? that's not fine.
I get that /v/ has a deeply isolationist streak, and wants to be left alone to do what it wants. Just understand that not everyone thinks the same way you do. not everyone thinks that being cooped up in your own little box is good for absolutely everyone.
>>317891728
>Defends Dynasty Warriors to death even though it's just the same shit every year
>Calls dead or alive shit and says the market for it is shit
But that's okay because the fans can just watch hentai right Jim? :^)
God I hate that fat seal.
>>317891547
>>317891101
he even got dubs for that, so based
>>317891012
>I don't think there is any concrete proof that video games don't harm society. that is, I don't believe that videogames are absolutely safe
This is not an opinion.
This if a fact.
If you cannot prove it, shove off and stop asserting it.
>>317889805
>pander to SJWs
>game flops because SJWs don't buy video games
>"What could've gone wrong!?"
>"I dunno. Patriarchy, problematic, other buzzwords, whatever."
>"Well don't you worry loyal customer! We'll pander to you extra hard next time!"
They'll never learn.
>>317889723
There are two arguments
1: sexualization isn't objetification
2: objetification in videogames wouldn't be wrong anyway because it's not real life
>>317891012
>I think the definition is not simply, "one for everyone." or "everybody wins". you have to eat your vegetables. you cannot eat cake all day, every day. You can eat cake, most days, but not all day. a society is not just a group of people standing near each other. I think I am running up against one of the central values of /v/, when I say this, but a society is a group of people with shared risks and shared rewards. in that situation, somebody has to give up a little bit of something to get more of everything, for everybody.
Once again.
Your subjective opinion of what is morally good is not objectively best. You are not understanding this and you need to get that through your head as soon as possible.
>>317891946
Kike Z is ripping his jewfro out
>>317891946
>They'll never learn.
They will when they go bankrupt
>>317891012
>you can hand to your 10 year old and won't have to answer any difficult questions about the content.
It's called parenting, that's what you should be doing.
>>317891237
Which is sad because Jesus originally taught his followers to be aware of the world, and how to cope with it. he never supported blind coddling.
>>317891012
>hand your 10 year old bayonetta 2 and ZombieU
huh
>Marvel, for instance, tailoring their films to be more palatable to female audiences
That was only Joss Whedon and they crucified him anyway.
>somebody has to give up a little bit of something to get more of everything, for everybody.
You don't understand what you're saying. Who gets to decide who has to give what up? Is it you, since you're more progressive? What if I disagree? Will you limit the market penetration of my content so less people will see an opposing opinion? As long as you claim its for a greater good, who would argue?
>I don't think there is any concrete proof that video games don't harm society
There is definitive proof that violent video games in no way correlate with violent behavior. You're ignoring this fact because it doesn't align with your argument, but it is established none the less. This is called the false cause fallacy.
>Media is how culture is transmitted and propagated. we tell stories that convey our fears and our values. do we teach each other that shooting random strangers and raping women is perfectly fine? One game is not going to change a person's mind, but when it is part of an entire culture, it can.
I would argue that girls in bikinis playing volleyball is a bit of a seperate idea than saying raping women is perfectly fine, but I understand that the alarmist language and leaps like it are the tools you fall back on when you can't make a compelling argument.
>change the culture, and change the person who is growing in it.
One group controlling another, wether it be for personal gain or a perceived greater good, is still facism. I won't allow it, individuality and personal responsibility are too valuable.
>>317891012
Censorship of art is ALWAYS wrong, in the same way that censorship of speech is ALWAYS wrong.
You wouldn't be okay with somebody saying that nobody can say the word "congo" because that might insult somebody or because it didn't fit into their worldview, would you?
>>317890086
Nothing wrong with that.
Could go for some more loli though.
>>317892067
>Check Indivisible
>76% funded
>Barely moved in the last two days
Is Mike Z on suicide watch yet?
>317891415
There is a huge difference between treating people like shit or being a social retard around women because of media representation and MURDERING people.
Using this logic, News Corp can't make viewers/readers racist even though all their media is geared towards presenting minorities in a negative light.
It's easy as fuck to see that males who have little to no interaction with real life women have often absolutely fucked up views on women based on media. Just look at /pol/ and /r9k/.
>>317891826
You are making a lot of assertions with no proof. You continue to beg the question with, "but it's hurting the culture! It's making a society or a culture of -"
No. You haven't proven that once.
>>317877929>>317880557
But sadly all alone on Zack island. No Hayate...no Lei Fang...just endless bullying from Ayane (with Marie joining in) and repeated molestation from Nyotengu.
Poor Hitomi. ;_;
>>317891826
>a culture that devalues half the population and imposes a lot of arbitrary double standards on that half? that's not fine.
how about you start against islam since is bigger and far more active at harrassing women.
>>317877308
>>TK has repeatedly said that there won't be DLC for additional characters. I have a feeling that they'll stick by their word
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>317891826
>a culture that devalues half the population and imposes a lot of arbitrary double standards on that half? that's not fine.
yeah, I know, I can't believe some of the shit women do and the double standards they perpetuate
When will they learn they can't have their cake and eat it too? They're either equal or they're not. They don't get to be equal and receive special treatment on top of it.
Its amazing looking at all these people get triggered because PA used the word "sjw".
It's like they were black, and PA screamed the words "NIGGERS" right in their faces.
>>317891101
>>317891547
>>317891101
These Fuckers Holy shit!
>Treats virtual girls as if they are real women
>Forgetting video games are fantasy
>FANTASY
>Go down to local beach in summer and see most real women on the beach chillin out in bikinis
>Chill out and enjoy the day like any normal person
Some people do not seem to understand the concept of fantasy vs reality.
>>317891826
>a culture that devalues half the population and imposes a lot of arbitrary double standards on that half
1. prove it
2. if true, what does this have to do with DoA?
>>317891826
I suppose the irony of saying this
>not everyone thinks that being cooped up in your own little box is good for absolutely everyone.
about any group other than the femenists and their censored hugboxes is lost on you.
>>317891818
Maybe feminist should try to make video games. If their games nailed commercial success, then other devs will jump on the feminist bandwagon to try netting some of the profit for themselves. That's a real constructive way to show that sex won't sell games.
Until then, dev will probably kept on using sex as a tool to promote games. They want their games to sell. They want to get paid. Simplest as that.
Me? I'll kept on buying games that incorporate sex as its main selling point. My massive, throbbing dick of pussy destruction demands me to provide it with stimulating games, and i obey. Long live the dick. Long live the semen faucet.
>>317881124
Assuming he had the funds to market and produce the game as well.
Don't let jihadi SJWs hinder technology advancement bros.
>>317892976
flattering
>>317892562
Those women at the beach are depicting themselves as weak powerless and brainless. Especially if they play volleyball, or if their breasts bounce.
Anyone ever notice how the arguments that completely destroy the entire conversation always get ignored by the mainstream media?
For example, read the last three paragraphs of this post: >>317880939
No important figures relating to gamergate would ever address this, nor would any feminist address it.
Gamergate wouldn't address it, because they want to keep their system going of making somewhat decent arguments, but leaving a little bit of a hole, or saying something a little too offensive, that way they get a response from the other side, to which they can respond; thus keeping their circle going of disagreeing with each other, and both sides keep making money off of youtube ads and clicks.
They wouldn't want to address an argument so good that it just shuts down the conversation, because then there would no longer be any debate and they couldn't make any money. I mean this post literally destroyed feminism in gaming, so you'll never see it in the mainstream media.
Likewise, feminists would never address it, because they also want to keep their excuses to create youtube videos and get clicks alive, and no matter how they'd respond to it, people would read the original post and see that it's right. No matter how they respond to it, they will look bad and they cannot formulate a proper rebuttal against it.
Nvidia use ransomware, this is brand new too, broke after 2 weeks.
>>317892409
They meant they wouldn't go over their budget unless there's a significant demand for it.
>>317893207
Are you ok?
>>317888136
since I seem to be the only dissenting voice...
when an individual is in a position of power, we tend to worry less when something happens to him. that person is capable and will probably be fine. it is more troubling with something bad happens to a person without power, because that person is likely to suffer more. this is why society reacts vehemently to a man beating up a child, yet mildly to a man beating up another man.
this is why most games don't have female enemies. some do, particularly those with female PCs, but generally its men against other men. it looks really bad to have this huge dude beating the shit out of a skinny woman.
you also have the issue of context. is this a fighting game, where the female characters are balanced against the male? no need to worry about Cammy taking a pounding from Zangief. She will probably take him down, in the next round. the context is much uglier in an FPS, where the characters are designed to be cannon fodder for the PC. things start to look really bad in those Korean MMOs, where male characters are given access to only imposing looking armor, while the females are given skimpy lingerie. No armor, just metal underwear. This implies a double standard and a specific set of value placed on the female characters. maybe there is no consequence. After all, it is mostly Korean men, playing these games. Still, the context of how these male and female avatars are treated makes the game a tough sell to console manufacturers in the US market, who need to sell as many units as possible to turn a profit. You trying to imply that half that market is stupid bimbos who wear chainmail panties to a swordfight? good luck selling those girls that game
>>317893316
I'm just trying to lure shills that ctrl F keywords for my entertainment, dont mind me
>>317892562
Because they know no different from Fantasy.
Many people on 4chan haven't spoken to a female aside from their close family members for years so the only "interaction" they have with women is through porn, hentai and video games and the only "experience" they get of women in the real world is through the absolutely sociopathic lens of PUAs/MRAs
My Girlfriend once said to me "The only time I've ever been on 4chan was on some robot board and all it was, was gamers thinking they could get cheat codes to sleep with women".
This is what people on the outside see when they look at 4chan which is why basically everyone not a channer or some reddit pleb is a "SJW", 4chan is so deep in it's circlejerk of people with no experience at all egging on everyone else with no experience, the views people have developed here are basically sociopathic delusional tier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhx6IfKrvEQ
This is a great video on what 4chan as a community actually is from one of us that left.
Honestly I stay because 4chan is unique in how everyone here is quite casual conversational and it's something you don't get anywhere else, but I've learned to take everything I read here with a a massive grain of salt and regard almost everything I read here in regards to politics or ideology as bullshit until I can investigate further using non-4chan sources.
I like how the Play-Asia employee is basically exactly the same as any one of our resident smug anime face poster. I'm sure he's enjoying the attention in these threads too, not that it is a bad thing mind you.
>>317893297
It's DoA bikinis. There's always going to be a demand for it.
My degree is in humanities, so I met lots of people that were left leaning, and even the most hardcore of feminists couldn't give less of a shit about this stuff, hell, I played gta with one of them and we went to the strip club, had a lap dance and everything, not once did she make a statement about it. It's not much, but I take heart in knowing this bs is limited to the retards on social media
>>317893039
noice, didn't notice that detail on the other pic
>>317893368
>good luck selling those girls that game
WoW just really ruined your whole argument.
>>317893368
>Korean MMOs, where male characters are given access to only imposing looking armor, while the females are given skimpy lingerie
Right, the males aren't sexualized. Like, at all.
>>317893431
If they use golden meme face, I'd buy three copies of doaxvb and leave this place for good. I'd stay on reddit for the rest of my life.
post more best girl
It makes my kind of glad that sjws are starting to lose their grips on society and in the video games industry. The kockold age is coming to an end.
>>317893429
>4chan is so deep in it's circlejerk of people with no experience at all egging on everyone else with no experience, the views people have developed here are basically sociopathic delusional tier.
>men that cut off their dicks and wear dresses are women and only those crazy sociopathic 4channers could see an issue with that.
>>317890540
Although I love firm breasts, I don't see the problem everyone has with sagging breasts. If nothing else, it means it'll be a great titfuck and it'll still look great in a bra.
>>317893393
carry on
>>317893368
Until you can show evidence, I'll settle for evidence not even proof, that fiction modifies people's actions or views your argument doesn't hold water.
Several studies, and the supreme court claim it does not. At least not in any way that could justify forcing a change on it.
>>317893126
>Gamergate wouldn't address it, because they want to keep their system going of making somewhat decent arguments
what?
people have already made those kinds of points before, it doesn't matter what kind of argument you make when it gets ignoredhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9_MVPq1SJY
>>317893895
>that pic
So all I need to do to enter the little girls' bathroom is call myself a woman and wear a wig?
Americans are crazy, man.
>>317871412Such a lust for SJW?WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO?!
Honestly, this thread has much better posts than the NeoFag thread.
>>317893568
>and even the most hardcore of feminists couldn't give less of a shit about this stuff,
This, I'm humanities as well and I was at a houseparty with the most hardcore feminists I know (to the point they piss me off with hyperbolic tumblr-tier shit) and we literally played DoA5 with Loverslab nude mod and everyone just laughed at how cheesy the game is.
No one cares about DoA, no one.
>>317892409
>Additional characters
>Additional costumes
They sell costumes, not characters.
>>317893568
What else do they have?
>>317893429
Your post tells me you're myopic and self absorbed to the point that you're projecting about "circle jerking."
You tell yourself that you're right and that everyone else is wrong and should be ignored, even though you've been proven wrong time and time again.
Why are you here when, in all fairness, I've actually been talking to you in good faith, and you haven't been doing the same with me? How is that fair? You argue about equality, and don't even BELIEVE in it?
You think you deserve special treatment, and you can treat people way worse than you're being treated? Explain how you feel that's equal.
>>317894006
In fairness sometimes it doesn't get ignored, they just ignore the argument and go for adhom or mocking some random aspect that might or might not exist.
>>317893841
They never really had any grip in the first place. They're just starting to get shouted down more as this phase of political correctnes sis wearing off. Tranny madness and the BLM riots kind of exposed the absurdities of liberal indulgence. The last great phase of PC was in the 90's as a reaction to the conservative 80's, then kind of hibernated in the colleges during the Bush II years, flourishing when Obama got elected. Now Trump's around the corner, and the reaction is starting again.
>>317893429
I'm sure glad you were careful not to use sweeping generalizations in your unsubstantiated ad hominem.
>>317893915
I've been saying this for years. Small tits are better naked/porn. Big tits are better for clothing/day to day.
>>317894284
He's a disgusting hypocrite who thinks he can just label everyone under the same label, waltz in under the guise of being too good to be proven wrong and just ignore everyone else's arguments and then demand that everything he said be taken seriously.
>>317893368
>since I seem to be the only dissenting voice...
Opening your post up with the victim card, I see. Maybe nobody else makes arguments similar to your own because they're fallacious and wrong.
>when an individual is in a position of power... yet mildly to a man beating up another man.
Reminder that we're talking about video games here. You're implying that fiction is reality.
>this is why most games don't have female enemies... it looks really bad to have this huge dude beating the shit out of a skinny woman.
Again, it doesn't matter, because everything in the game is a toy for the player's amusement, and it's fiction. You think you're somehow arguing against this, but you're actually not even addressing it. You're just making assertions.
>you also have the issue of context. is this a fighting game, where the female characters are balanced against the male? no need to worry about Cammy taking a pounding from Zangief. She will probably take him down, in the next round.
The developers don't care what it "looks like", they care about the functional gameplay purpose of having these characters fight each other. You are implying that their goal is to create a movie showcasing women and men to be equal. No, the purpose is to make a fun game.
>the context is much uglier in an FPS, where the characters are designed to be cannon fodder for the PC.
In 99% of cases you're playing as a man fighting other men in FPS games. Nobody calls that "misandry", but if it was a woman fighting another woman it would be "misogyny".
>>317894080
yes, leftists believe in the concept of "equality" which is a nonsense idea that can't exist in reality.
since men and women are the same it logically holds that if a man decides that he is a woman then he is.
the left isn't so much political as it is religious, their entire ideology hinges on judeo-christian ideas of the separation of body and soul, humans being more than biological machines.
tldr, Left wingers are wrong about everything.
>>317894513
>things start to look really bad in those Korean MMOs, where male characters are given access to only imposing looking armor, while the females are given skimpy lingerie. No armor, just metal underwear.
That's what people like to look at. So what?
>This implies a double standard and a specific set of value placed on the female characters.
This is literally a strawman argument. You are saying that this is what the devs were trying to say, which is wrong. You don't care that you are literally putting words into their mouth, and will go on thinking you made a good point.
>maybe there is no consequence.
Then maybe your side of the argument should stop going around asserting that there is, and pushing for censorship and bans that will ultimately lead to real world violence. Again, see: >>317882438
>Still, the context of how these male and female avatars are treated makes the game a tough sell to console manufacturers in the US market, who need to sell as many units as possible to turn a profit.
You'd think they'd want more games on their console, to make their console's library more appealing, so that people will buy the console. What you're saying doesn't even make sense.
>You trying to imply that half that market is stupid bimbos who wear chainmail panties to a swordfight? good luck selling those girls that game
Most girls aren't idiots like you who put words into the devs mouths. Most girls would just play the game and put an outfit on their fictional character normally without complaining.
>>317894157
The first one is characters.
>>317894224
are you serious?
it always gets ignored because their entire fucking worldview is on the line
everything about feminism, social justice and cultural marxism is using a victim complex to evade responsibility
if you don't agree with the worldview, then you're the enemy and the ends justify the means
>>317890219
if I grew vagina, I would become a huge slut, and join protest rallies against slut shaming.
not even joking. I think women who enjoy having a lot of sex are fun people, and people who put them down are stupid.
>>317893429
>My Girlfriend once said to me "The only time I've ever been on 4chan was on some robot board and all it was, was gamers thinking they could get cheat codes to sleep with women".
>This is a great video on what 4chan as a community actually is from one of us that left.
Yeah you totally sound like an anon
>My girlfriend doesnt understand why people act like goofy fucks with anonymity
>And this anecdote is why 4chan is bad
>>317894513
>Maybe nobody else makes arguments similar to your own because they're fallacious and wrong.
>>317894616
Nope. That's the Ninja clan set for +30 characters. Not a 30 characters dlc.
>>317893429
Why should ANYONE take any of your posts seriously, despite the fact that for the past hour or so I HAVE, when you won't give us the same fucking COURTESY?
Already you've PROVEN yourself to be worse than any kind of assumption that you've made of everyone here. Why should we continue listening to you at all when you won't even TRY?
>>317894591
how the fuck equality is wrong?
everyone has the same rights and opportunities.
>>317894715
>not even joking. I think women who enjoy having a lot of sex are fun people, and people who put them down are stupid.
You know its also women who put other women down for having sex
Most men wouldnt mind casual sex but its a two way street, and its not entirely misogynist dudebro stopping them
>>317894236
I've noticed that too. I started noticing this whole SJW thing around sometime after Obama became president. Around 2010 I think.
>>317893429
Maybe you should have told her that r9k is literally worse than /mlp/ and direct her to a decent onenot /v/. But of course, you are only shit posting.
>>317894986
Equality can mean different things.
He's saying feminists think everyone is literally equal (not talking about political rights)
Personally i think most feminists don't reach that level of nonsense.
>>317895075
>and its not entirely misogynist dudebro stopping them
It's not at all misogynist dudebros; those are the people who benefit from women being easy.
It's hilarious to watch this because all this shit is just women flinging shit at each other and then blaming men and "muh patriarchy".
>>317894591
Anon, in the west, the magna carta kinda lays down the groundwork for equality, and fighting for the rights of the individual, and it's kind of a fundamental human right thing.
Remember animal farm was a strong social allegory for the flaws of marxism;
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
>>317894986
It's not wrong, it just can't exist. As men and women are biologically and physiologically different, they can never be equal. They deserve equal rights, and should be treated as equals but they will never be equal.
>>317893429
>This is what people on the outside see when >they look at 4chan which is why basically >everyone not a channer or some reddit pleb >is a "SJW", 4chan is so deep in it's circlejerk >of people with no experience at all egging on >everyone else with no experience, the views >people have developed here are basically >sociopathic delusional tier.
The only person who is really a "sociopathic delusional tier" is in fact you, thinking this board really matters. You stated that everyone views 4chan as a sociopathic when it's infact the hackers known as "Anonyomous", if everyone knows about 4chan then they would know about "reddit" and "neogaf" which in fact they fucking well don't, they more or less put them in the "Facebook" tier sites or social aggregate sites.
I think your looking into yourself too much like a complete fucking moron you are.
>>317879109
I like the somewhat increased detail on the belly button, they were painfully lackluster in the fighting game.
>>317895075
>I think women who enjoy having a lot of sex are fun people
Those women don't get shamed. The ones that do get shamed are the ones who have so much sex that they start losing all sense of intimacy whatsoever and just start emotionally damaging themselves trying to connect with people.
I mean, we "shame" alcoholics right? It's the same shit. The guy who can drink in moderation, party when he wants to and have fun sober is one everyone loves. Some women don't understand how they appear to others with their "sexual liberation" and assume it's everyone else's fault that people aren't respecting the girl half naked grinding on every dude they can.
I fucking love sluts. They're the best. But for a lot, not all, of women they're looking for sex for dark emotional reasons and never 'because it's fun' and society looks down on those dark emotional reasons.
>>317894080
You don't even need a wig.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/07/living/feat-planet-fitness-transgender-member/
This was straight balding transgender man, aka a cross dresser. He still wants to bang women but is allowed in the women's locker room and the woman telling everyone about the man there Was kicked out. Being uncomfortable with a straight balding person with a penis watching you nude isn't as important as that persons discomfort changing in the mans locker room.
>Bring up sociological studies
>LOL SOCIOLOGY WHAT A PSEUDOSCIENCE
>Bring up psychological and neuroscience studies
>LOL PSYCHOLOGY WHAT A PSEUDOSCIENCE
>Bring up basic communications and polisci
>LOL HUMANITIES WHAT A PSEUDOSCIENCE
It's impossible to discuss these issues on 4chan because 99% of people here are anti-intellecual retards suffering from dunning-Kruger who think that fucking PhD scientists just happened to miss whatever strawman people on a fucking video game forum can come up with. Like how somehow Christina Hoff Sommers is parroted around as some genius when she's been debunked for decades and doesn't even have the most basic grasp of what she is talking about to anyone who's sat through any first year humanities course.
No one on 4chan will accept anything the "SJWs" (literally anyone who disagrees with the anti-intellectual ur-fascist circlejerk) say simply because "they are the enemy". No insane amount of studies, no historical facts or criticial analysis will be accepted here because almost everyone here doesn't care about reality, they want to cry about their victim complexes of "waah us poor gamers, literally the new abused minority" by the evil "normie SJWs who don't even play games anyway". Yep, people here literally believe anyone who isn't a reactionary fascist piece of shit who sicks Milo and Sargons cock doesn't play video games.
The fact that people here don't even know the difference between censorship and criticism and literally have no self-awareness in that they've tried to literally censor anyone with an opposing political view for several years through mass harassment campaigns should show the intellectual level of discussion.
>>317894986
>everyone has the same rights and opportunities
that's called equal opportunity
that's something a normal person would agree with
equality of outcome is completely different
i.e minorities are underrepresented in X, therefore we should interrupt the natural flow of individual opportunity and put more minorities in X, even if they're not as qualified as someone else
it's about feelings, it doesn't matter if everyone is given an equal chance
the result should be equal
>>317893429
>gf visit /r9k/
>disgusted
No shit. That board is as bad as pcmasterrace subreddit. Point her to /ck/ so she can learn to make a cheese bacon roll. That thing was the ultimate cuisine worthy of nobel prize.
>>317895242
>It's not at all misogynist dudebros; those are the people who benefit from women being easy.
Yeah, and then they bitch about men becoming PUA or not getting married and how thats sexist
Like fuck. Who would have thunk it? Free sex changing the social dynamics.
>>317895160
"political Correctness" first came to America in the 50's through Marxist immigrant professors, but didn't go mainstream until the late 60's/early 70's. It's been going in and out of fashion ever since.
>>317895451
>Those women don't get shamed.
HAH the fuck did you even go to high school?
>>317895486
A lot of this shit is basically similar to the whole rape thing. Yeah, a rape victim would understand how serious rape is and wouldn't lie about it. But some women, shock/awe, aren't rape victims.
>>317891574
the court deals with extremely minute distinctions on specific cases. Jesus, they nearly wrecked the Affordable Care Act because of a single sentence in a 1700 page law. So, if someone is going to try to argue that this one person committed this one murder because Marilyn Manson told him, they are not going to get far.
why do you believe what you believe? where did you learn that? How did you find the things you enjoy and learn the things you don't enjoy? why aren't you a Muslim? or someone who thinks the Holocaust is a jewish ruse? or someone who worships the Flying Spaghetti Monster? and why would someone believe these things and hold these views?
because of the culture they grew up in. Its why black people are "Black" and white people are "White". if you take the individuals and switch them, at birth, that black kid would be in the high school swim team and shopping at Abercrombe & Fitch, and the white kid would be working on his rap album.
why do chinese kids speak Chinese, while mexican kids speak Spanish? why do mexican kids even speak Spanish, a language that originated halfway around the world? it's what he was taught.
>>317895510
>The fact that people here don't even know the difference between censorship and criticism and literally have no self-awareness in that they've tried to literally censor anyone with an opposing political view for several years through mass harassment campaigns should show the intellectual level of discussion.
I DIDN'T READ THE FIRST TWO PARAGRAPHS BECAUSE LOL I'M DUMB BUT WHAT EXCELLENT COMMENTARY ABOUT SJWs AND I AGREE COMPLETELY.
>>317879975
Twitter didn't exist when the last DOAX came out...hell, neither did youtube for that matter.
>>317895510
soft sciences pale in comparison to hard sciences and can be dismissed in the face of hard facts
>>317870908
>flowers where the nipples would be
genius
>>317895537
>reddit boards are now edgier than 4chans
I hope this a tongue in cheek joke here.
>>317895583
>did you even go to high school
Did anybody NOT get shamed somehow in high school? I sincerely doubt there's this whole cultural revolution based on how high school kids treat each other.
>>317895510
Again, good job not using sweeping generalizations in your unsubstantiated ad hominem.
You're getting angry now, and lashing out and responding to things none of us have said. Calm down and reply to posts from people, rather than making things up.
I suppose the irony of saying /v/ censors sjws is totally lost on you.
>>317895510
They ARE pseudosciences, you idiot.
>>317891818
I am so glad there is someone else, on this board, who has a life outside this board.
>>317894614
>Still, the context of how these male and female avatars are treated makes the game a tough sell to console manufacturers in the US market, who need to sell as many units as possible to turn a profit.
>"male and female avatars are treated"
Stop right there, there's the fucking issue these feminist they believe that these Avatars are real fucking beings with actual feelings when it's just a bunch of pixels on the screen.
They can't go around and act like white knights to minorities cause they will tell them to "fuck off", where as these male and female avatars are treated and oppressed like a real human being when in fact the game is essentially either a story told from a writer or a developer putting in a personality to the avatar to make them more likeable.
You should be able to tell the difference from reality to fantasy but I think 100% of you feminist have mental problems.
>>317895510
>gaming "issues"
>cries fascist
spotted the facebook commie
>>317895510
You haven't brought up anything, stop talking shit.
>>317895160
you've got a lot to learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8zJZDRwmEg
>>317891804
He went to sleep. Don't forget he is on another time zone.
>>317895510
Sociology is a bit of a joke
Look up the Sokal affair.
Things havent changed much since then.
The things that sociologist want to test need large scale and funding to be anywhere decent and they dont get that.
So they do bad science with low samples and biased agendas from the start to prime funding.
>>317895583
A-are you still in highschool anon?
>>317895451
>those women don't get shamed
they should be
I would shame those women. I would shame men who would have multiple sexual partners too.
There is your equality.
>>317878120
They knew exactly what they were doing.
>>317895512
>>317895212
>>317895292
>that's called equal opportunity
>equality of outcome is completely different
Fair enough. Translating equality to my language is more the same as equal opportunity.
>>317895881
You've got a good start on the holier than thou, are you auditioning? You're not special, you're not even that intelligent. I have a life outside the board, I don't feel the need to impress a bunch of other guys on an anonymous Mongolian desalination pump modification website.
>>317896186
equality is a buzzword at this point
it can mean fucking anything and it's really supposed to sound nice
who could be against "equality", whatever it entails? it must be a good thing, right?
>>317895952
>KGB
>Marxism-Leninism
Sorry but that died out already.
The new left bases itself more on Gramisci and Foucault.
The tactics may have similarities though.
Abracadabra, fagnut!
>>317870908
you faggots need to sign
https://www.change.org/p/koei-tecmo-bring-dead-or-alive-xtreme-3-to-the-west
>>317896119
God I want to commit a crime up her ass. Fuck real women, they can never be as perfect as her.
>>317896348
Except there is literally no reason to.
>>317896048
Nope graduated last year. What's your excuse for being an idiot?
>>317892802
http://www.metacritic.com/game/ios/lili
http://www.thegia.com/2014/02/18/remember-me-this-was-supposed-to-be-the-future/
http://ninasays.so/cibele/
just some off the top of my head. I should probably switch the review of Remember Me with something from Life Is Strange, but I haven't played that game
>>317891818
nigga have you even played the fighting games? They are good fun, with solid mechanicsI main hayabusa
>>317896334
cultural marxism is the new marxism
it's the merge of marxist ideas with culture instead of economics
it's criticism without context
you should watch the full interview
https://twitter.com/americanmcgee/status/669726448509292544
>>317892802
also, no one is saying that sex in games is bad. learn to read, idiot. the argument is against demeaning women.
>>317896043
But speaking of large scale studies, Germany did one that found NO LINK BETWEEN SEXISM AND GAMING
And they used teenage boys too.
So its not like you have a leg to stand on there either
>>317895684
>the court deals with extremely minute distinctions on specific cases. Jesus, they nearly wrecked the Affordable Care Act because of a single sentence in a 1700 page law. So, if someone is going to try to argue that this one person committed this one murder because Marilyn Manson told him, they are not going to get far.
What a silly non sequitur.
The rest of your post is equally silly and a non sequitur and also pointless.
Do you have any idea how many different independent, unbiased, well credited studies have very much all concurred what is all too obvious? Video games don't cause violent behavior. You aren't proving otherwise. You aren't proving anything here but a lot of platitudes.
"But culture..."
And? You haven't said anything. You haven't _proven_ anything but grasped at straws desperate to find something to grab a foothold on. What ABOUT the culture? Have you proven that video games are to blame for the culture? No. You've simply asserted it. Have you even proven our culture is "misogynist"? You haven't. I can prove the opposite. I can look at rapes. Sexual assaults, and abuse against women and I can tell you one thing with certainty: They're all DOWN for the past 30 years they have been all trending downwards. These are not things that could be happening if our society was openly mistreating women and attitudes towards women were getting WORSE. It would stand to reason crime against them would be getting worse.
TO ADD:
If attitudes towards women WERE getting worse, but crime was still going down (which, you haven't proven and you can't prove, I do'nt think ANYONE could:)
Then the ULTIMATE answer is:
So FUCKING WHAT?
How do you become so fucked up in the head that you actually become a feminist? How are you such a controlling piece of shit that you want to take peoples' fun away? What went so horribly wrong in feminists' lives?
>>317896559
the first alice game was the shit
>>317896604
>the argument is against demeaning women
And subjective and useless argument
>Look at this harmless pikachu!
>It has no agency as the player uses its for cockfights
>Therefore, all gamers are horrible animal abusers
>Donate to my patereon
>>317896471
I'm not an idiot, so I've never needed one. I know to come to you if I do someday.
>>317896559
American is right.
>>317896553
It's different from Leninism. For one, there is no focus on revolution. It mostly even forsakes the final goal of communism.
It's an aimless piece of shit that criticizes capitalism and the state but doesn't even have a project of its own.
>>317895684
>Jesus, they nearly wrecked the Affordable Care Act because of a single sentence in a 1700 page law.
Yeah, was so close. Now insurance companies are citing projected losses in the hundreds of millions.
But back to your point, there's no proof of what you say behind your feelings which, it turns out, don't matter one tiny little shit. They wouldn't mean anything even if they WEREN'T retarded.
>>317896636
(CONTINUED)
SO FUCKING WHAT?
Have you been able to link video games to a cultural problem that you haven't been able to prove either? You haven't even been able to do THAT.
So let's recap:
You can't prove or even IDENTIFY what's wrong with our culture.
You can't prove it's linked to video games.
And you can't prove that video games are causing an increase in violent crime (several studies have disproven this in fact) and you can't prove it's caused an increase in rape or sexual assault towards women...when we know based on DoJ statistics that there's been a decrease in that as well.
So...
Just what exactly are you trying to say here?
>>317896803
>Completely missing the point
>>317895510
It's impossible to discuss these issues on 4chan because 99% of people here are trolls, besides your arguments are also based on extremist idiology, you assume society hates women and start from there, if you start with a false assumption everything after that falls apart
>>317885549
He does. He dresses up as a moogle for cosplay, for fucks sake.
>>317896804
*A subjective and useless
Seriously. That fucking OBJECTIFICATION shit is all subjective horseshit when applied to fictional works.
Cause from the cold literal view, everything in a fictional work is a fucking "Object" used to tell a story.
>>317897006
He's way more spot on than some of the shitposters here though.
Ok, so who is the cheapest/most reliable to order the Asian version from?
>>317897118
Well that is because they are shitposters
>>317896604
>the argument is against demeaning women.
Art and the freedom of expression has every _right_ to demean.
>>317891818
>So the idea that feminists "banned" DoA or would even attack DoA is highly misplaced. No one cares about DoA apart from otaku.
SJWs who infiltrated the publisher have prevented official American release. Have you seen original facebook posts?
>>317896636
You have to remember anon, PTSD from hurt feelings. What is important has changed. This is a different place. You can get an undergrad degree without ever taking a logic class.
>>317896927
before the soviet union was destroyed, it's entire point was originally to destabilize government, moral and sense of nationalism to make an overthrow easier
it was a tool of sociological warfare
in the context of economics, it's unsuccessful, but it works perfectly and perpetuates itself on its own when tied with culture
>>317895891
>Stop right there, there's the fucking issue these feminist they believe that these Avatars are real fucking beings with actual feelings when it's just a bunch of pixels on the screen.
>You should be able to tell the difference from reality to fantasy but I think 100% of you feminist have mental problems.
Strawman, this is not what feminists believe.
I disagree with all the mouth breathers who say that this is "harmful", but you're a goddamn idiot.
>>317897157
your weeb importer of choice that carries it, prices don't change much. Dunno if it wil have a digital version
>>317897250
Also true.
God some of these faggots love to beat on the GAMER ARE ART drum, but wont allow them to be the "wrong kind of art"
Serbian Film managed to have a baby get raped with less shit thrown at it then DoA does.
>>317897349
Well, it's what Josh believes in.
>>317897483
>edge the entire film waiting for a sex scene with the main character's hot friend
>she gets her teeth bashed in first things first
welp, what a waste
>>317888690
>If people are such complex creatures, then we need to apply pressure to a wide array of forces to nudge these creatures into being kinder, more cooperative, etc.
NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. Perhaps you want some sort of benevolent manipulation of what you are allowed to see and think by some outside third party "for your own good". There's a word for that: infantile. And that is what you and your ilk are, infants squalling for some paternalistic management of your lives so that you never have to face any uncomfortable thoughts or experiences.
The rest of us are adults and we demand to be allowed to experience reality the way we choose to, think whatever thoughts, and hold whatever beliefs we wish, whether for good or, yes, whether it be for ill. And we will never, ever support you. For all your good intentions, I cordially invite you to FOAD.
>>317897349
>Strawman, this is not what feminists believe.
Not him, but feminism has no orthodoxy. There are feminists on both sides of every issue, and it's a complete garbage word that means nothing. That's why they're all running around calling each other "fake feminists", and saying "that's not the real feminist belief".
>>317893126
the mainstream media didn't address those points because to anyone outside of the most insulated gamers, those points are so patently false that they are beneath discussion.
that games need to be violent to be fun is moronic. it implies that only one kind of experience is fun, and completely flies in the face of stupidly popular games like Metal Gear Solid, Splinter Cell, and Undertale: games that gave the greatest rewards when the player is NONVIOLENT.
Saying that games don't objectify women is like saying that the sky is blue because it is painted by elves. The vast majority of games, until this millennium, revolved around a guy beating up baddies to rescue a woman. usually a woman with huge tits and not enough dress to cover them.
Feminism in gaming, to people outside the madness, looks an awful lot like reasonable people imposing the same standards on this media format that is imposed on every other media format: that female characters are treated fairly. That's it. That's all you have to do. The fact that games can accomplish this, and still make billions, is no surprise to anyone, since Hollywood figured that out decades ago. "Hmm... if I make my product not repellent to the vagina'ed class, they are more likely to buy it, thus increasing my profits!"
>>317897349
>Strawman, this is not what feminists believe.
No true Scotsman.
>Play Beach Spikers on Dreamcast
>"This is kinda fun"
>Pick up DOAX for original Xbox
>Its okay to enjoy in between other more violent games on a summers day
>Much later DOAX2 comes out
>Fiancee plays it more than I do
>"Hey Anon this is just a dress up game for girls, the only difference is they brought over that funny AGE 99 thing from DOA1 and 2"
>"Yeah, except they threw a ton of other stuff in and now it takes even longer to get any of the other swimsuits"
>Its still fun though
We enjoyed playing DOAX2 for the jetski races and failing horribly at the water slide mini game then laughing like crazy as we saw the girls go flying off into the bushes or sand.
The only other thing we ever took notice of was the way the sand deforms under the characters feet in real time, that and the girly OST that we ended up turning down cause we could`nt stand it.
DOAX is enjoyed by EVERYONE not just males who use it as a cheap fap fest.
>>317897720
I've spoken to 3rd world feminist advocacy groups that don't fight for first world problems, but real problems. I've spoken with them about radical feminism that is practiced in america and they all fully supported it. They explicitly said, that radical feminism has done so much for their movement, that they won't condemn anything they do like demonizing men, advocating to put them into concentration camps, etc. For them, radical feminists are the best allies, because they are so fucking visible with their outrage culture.
>>317897349
Do you speak for all feminists?
>>317897651
Is McIntosh's mind really so malleable? His low opinion of the intelligence of men has to come from somewhere.
>>317898013
>a cheap fap fest
I'm not going to lie, I don't see how in a day of instant access to high-quality porn you still can get off to clothed video game characters
>>317897773
>looks an awful lot like reasonable people imposing the same standards on this media format that is imposed on every other media format: that female characters are treated fairly.
>since Hollywood figured that out decades ago. "Hmm... if I make my product not repellent to the vagina'ed class, they are more likely to buy it, thus increasing my profits!"
Is that why modern 3rd wave feminists on Tumblr still bitch about shit like the Avengers Movie and MUH BECHDEL TEST?
Or how their gender study classes still bitch about Movies/TV/Books TO THIS DAY?
Nah fuck you. Censors are the ones holding the medium back.
First it was on the right with violence, now its from the left with "sexism".
Same shit, different decade.
>>317891818
>thinking they are getting anything other than that, it's essentially a softcore porn game.
>No one cares about DoA apart from otaku.
I've been playing this game wrong, next time I won't be fighting or trying to do difficult combos, I'll just furiously fap to it, since you know, that's the only reason it exists, thanks for telling me that obvious truth I have missed.
>>317897773
>Saying that games don't objectify women is like saying that the sky is blue because it is painted by elves.
And saying that they do is like saying that games makes people violent and would urge kids to shoot people in schools.
>>317897773
>that games need to be violent to be fun is moronic.
It's also a strawman on your part.
>it implies that only one kind of experience is fun
I even said "run, fight, and hide" which implies different types of games; platformers, fighting games, stealth games. You're not too bright are you.
>and completely flies in the face of stupidly popular games like Metal Gear Solid, Splinter Cell, and Undertale: games that gave the greatest rewards when the player is NONVIOLENT.
Oh really? How does it "fly in their face"? You're not even making a real argument.
>Saying that games don't objectify women is like saying that the sky is blue because it is painted by elves.
So it's like saying something completely wrong? Because no it fucking isn't. Why bother with the stupid analogy? Why not just say you disagree like a normal person?
>The vast majority of games, until this millennium, revolved around a guy beating up baddies to rescue a woman.
So every game had a damsel in distress? Because that's simply not fucking true at all.
>usually a woman with huge tits and not enough dress to cover them.
Again you've failed to explain why this is actually a problem; you're just asserting that it is.
>Feminism in gaming, to people outside the madness, looks an awful lot like reasonable people imposing the same standards on this media format that is imposed on every other media format: that female characters are treated fairly. That's it. That's all you have to do.
Already done; women in games are fictional objects for my enjoyment, just like everything else in the game.
>The fact that games can accomplish this, and still make billions, is no surprise to anyone, since Hollywood figured that out decades ago. "Hmm... if I make my product not repellent to the vagina'ed class, they are more likely to buy it, thus increasing my profits!"
So women don't buy games, according to you? Ok then why should devs waste time appealing to them?
>>317897651
No, it's most definitely not.
It's not "stop killing fictional women" it's "killing fictional women influences people into treating women badly"
Yes it's still bullshit.
>>317898152
his dad is a military bigwig, so I guess either his spirit was broken by his dad or he hates his dad's macho nature and blames all mankind for people that act like him
>>317897773
You are such a fucking idiot. You didn't make a single good point and responded to this at the end of the thread because you didn't want me to have time to refute it, but I did.
You made no good points at any time in the thread and learned nothing here. Huge god damn closed minded feminist idiot.
>>317898227
It's precisely because you can access any kind of porn that you want that moderate things maintain their appeal.
>>317898227
Only mentioned that bit because it seems to be labled as such no for no other reason than "Boobs", kinda annoying when you enjoy something and feminazis are constantly telling you its bad and your like "Fuck off I just wanna enjoy messing around"
>>317898316
>killing
Are we on the same wave length? It's about objectifying women here, not killing.
>>317897720
>>317897651
Show me where any feminist literature that says:
>they believe that these Avatars are real fucking beings with actual feelings
>>317898046
nice try faggot.
>>317898152
Supposedly, he went from a strict Christan household to throwing all of his beliefs out the window after 9/11.
Im guessing its a "baby with the bathwater" thing.
>>317898262
>>it implies that only one kind of experience is fun
Oh, and I also even mentioned games like Tetris and Animal Crossing. I was simply saying that games can also just be violent, like the majority of games are.
The intellectual dishonesty and sheer fucking wrongness and inability to consider the possibility that you're wrong is just staggering.
>>317898504
Apparently he was physically there when the towers went down and it jarred him significantly.
>>317898485
Nice try what?
If macintosh doesn't "count" as a feminist, I don't know what does.
Using the word faggot? Really? You're not a real feminist.
>>317898485
>Show me where any feminist literature that says:
>>they believe that these Avatars are real fucking beings with actual feelings
Of course they wouldn't actually say it in those terms, because then they'd look like fucking idiots and would be objectively wrong.
Instead, feminists often IMPLY that fiction is real, and they create strawman arguments; for example, if a man punches a woman in a game, they strawman that the devs are endorsing that sort of behavior in the real world.
>>317898485
>feminist literature
You expect me to have read any of that? I know that Anita said in one video that virtual reality influences men in the real world and is therefore harmful. I don't know which one and since I don't give a fuck to look through them in a thread that is about to 404 I'll gladly leave that to you, if you really want to know.
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