Overwatch 20 TWENTY TICKS TICKRATE thread
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Is it acceptable for a modern FPS to have a tickrate of 20?
Keep in mind both Dota 2 and League of Legends both use 30 tickrate and those are mobas.
Do you think it's acceptable to use 1998 tier servers in 2015?
Tickrates of various games, WORST to BEST.
20 tickrate games. aka shit, 1998 tier servers, not for FPS
Overwatch
30 tickrate games. 30 tickrate is just acceptable because not precise game
League of Legends
Dota 2
60-128 tickrate games - all good FPS games
BF4
CSGO
TF2
what is this new tickrate meme
Is having intentionally laggy and shitty hit registration an ARTISTIC choice?
for shitters who don't know interp/tickrate/etc
>>317760713
some fear-mongering shit that reddit started
Nothing Blizzard does is acceptable. But they will get away with it because they are Blizzard.
I lost complete interest in Overwatch when they announced the $40 price tag. Fuck Blizzard, this game isn't worth the sweat off my ass.
who do you think will get into heroes of the storm?
>>317760713
>>317760713
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EwaW2iz4iA
Tickrate is the refresh rate of the server
In addition Overwatch adds up all damage done in the tick even if you die.
What this means:
Kill someone at 0.00s on the server time
he continues firing until 0.05s on the server time
his shot at 0.04s kills you on the server time
the server counts this as both of you dying in overwatch
This means in sniper battles, you have to fire 0.05s ahead of the enemy to kill him and survive if you both aim correctly.
The average reaction time is 0.20 or so for FPS.
Basically this adds an extreme randomness.
Kill an enemy right at the end of a tick, he doesn't damage you in return.
Kill an enemy right at the beginning of a tick, he damages you for the next 0.05s. POssibly even killing you
Completely based on chance.
http://eu.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/16824853035
Official blizz thread on the topic
Also a side effect is that movement and visuals become very jerky.
>walk behind cover
>realize blizz too cheap to do anything over 1998 quality servers
>die behind cover because 56k modem tier servers
>>317761085
The "First person to send a shot to the server gets the first hit" claim is fucking lies. It's demonstrably proven that its a factor outside of ping and is down to, from the players perspective, RNG.
Also, the peaking shit is fucking terrible. This was at 30 ping.
CSGO can fuck off, and so can this tick rate meme.
There are so many factors to networking outside of the tick that affect your games performance playing games on-line, nobody has a perfect situation, and tick doesn't solve everything.
>>317761581
that's at 60+ tickrate, and probably a laggy player
just wait for 20 tickrate bullshit
Also even moba have better servers
Blizzard is so fucking stupid. WHAT FUCKING ARTISTIC MERIT DOES HAVING 20 TICKS HAVE? Just say it's console limitations you stupid cowardly fucks.
>>317761741
Go fuck yourself. Tick rate doesn't fix everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQmrajx7Xrs
>>317761760
>very high tickrate
>artistic
>lower server quality than League of legends
The only reason they do this is to save money as well. Not even bargain bin moba trash clones have this low of a tickrate.
>>317761884
>moving
>shots dont hit
>years old CS:GO
>>317761894
God damn how can they keep getting away with this horseshit? I mean, this is unethical.
>>317762117
>Implying anything has changed
All they changed where the hitboxes and animations to fix fringe cases, the netcode is EXACTLY the same.
>>317761013
I still don't get it.
>>317762117
THUS PROVING TICK MEANS FUCK ALL WHEN THERE'S MUCH MORE GOING ON FOR ONLINE GAMES DUMB FUCK
>>317761013
do you have any idea just how much power you would need and just how expensive it would be to do that?
>>317761581
Tick rate doesn't solve everything, you're right, but a shitty tick rate does ruin everything.
>>317761741
>just wait for 20 tickrate bullshit
Well I did wait and there were no probelms over the weekend when I played.
Ping isn't an issue considering the game is region locked so BRs and russians can't play with you.
honestly there isn't much point to making threads criticizing and bitching about overwatch.
it will be dead on arrival, like heroes of the storm before it.
>>317762589
For TF2 or CS:GO you can do it with just about any mid-tier desktop PC built in the last 3-4 years
When CS:S made the jump to orange box physics the max tickrate was dropped from 100 to 66. That killed CS:S.
Anything below 100 tickrate is fucking garbage.
>>317762709
They're good for reminding Blizzardfags that they are on the absolute bottom of the food chain
>>317760838
is a good example
A 20 tickrate game will never be taken seriously for any sort of competitive thing. Even 60 for counterstrike pushes that limit. I think that is what separates a game from being casual to competitive.
>>317762589
About $300 worth of hardware? It's a server, you don't even need a GPU
>>317762589
128 tick servers are not hard to host at all...
I can't wait until Overwatch becomes huge and you shit-posters all look like retards.
I know this post is going to get some snarky replies, but just wait.
I love how now devs are going to say stuff like, "the human brain can only see 20 tickrate" and how "higher tick rate plays the same"
>>317763047
>I can't wait until Battlefront becomes huge and you shit-posters all look like retards
>peak playerbase has already dropped to current BF4 levels
Why don't they just let people have thier own servers, then you can have whatever tickrate you want.
>>317763047
Its an arena shooter on console. Shits gunna flop super hard
>>317763047
A big success, just like Heroes of the Storm!
>>317763182
Because then they can't milk you for every cent you're worth
>>317763236
>implying views on twitch calculate success
>>317763236
Here's a crazy idea, people are playing the game and not watching streams.
>>317763326
Name a multiplayer game from the past few years with low twitch viewership that has been wildly successful
>>317762589
Why does this myth persist?
>>317763182
Modern Blizzard wants every online interaction to go through BNet.
>>317763409
Because people defending blizzard are idiots who have no idea what they're talking about
>>317763326
>>317763378
as much as i think twitch.tv is a cesspit worse than 4chan and reddit combined, you're dumb as fuck to think there isn't a correlation between twitch viewership and a game's ability to make revenue
Dude Blizzard has got me by the cock with Mei. She is best waifu.
>>317763153
>This is somehow related at all to what I said
>>317763219
It's not an "arena shooter" thanks for making it clear you haven't played it
>>317763236
>assumptions
>>317760636
because its a blizzard casual babby game. Makes it easier for shit players to get hits thus more shit players will buy the game.
>>317763409
Stupid people will believe whatever companies tell them. It's why they can still get away with charging an expensive subscription fee for MMORPGs.
>>317760636
>>317760713
It's a load of complete fucking nonsense, because /v/ can't handle the fact that Overwatch will be wildly successful, like literally every other Blizzard game.
Get the fuck over it, Overwatch is the future of FPS games and will be the next big e-sport.
>>317763658
>Overwatch will be wildly successful, like literally every other Blizzard game.
Like Starcraft 2?
Fuck Blizzard. Haven't made a good game in a decade.
Who the fuck keeps giving these retards money? Activision? I assume the merger is the only reason they are even around at this point.
>>317763723
Sold tens of millions of copies and laid the foundation for modern e-sports. Was literally the only game worth a shit for quite a few years.
>>317763750
Someone post the merger and acquisition infographic that explains the answer to this question (which is that good blizzard is no longer a part of blizzard/activision)
>>317763723
You're implying it's not?
>>317763551
Views are good as free publicity, but any company would choose people playing their game (money to them) over more views (money to Twich).
It's specially jarring on an example like HOTS, becuase it's fun to play but really boring to watch.
>>317763658
>SC2
>D3
>HotS
>WoW post WotLK
>Successful
Fucking please. The Activision merger onward has been a downward spiral, I can't imagine they are even making money off anything that isn't Hearthstone at this point. Who fucking knows how long that shit is going to last, people are already getting sick of that RNG P2W bullshit.
>>317763836
I don't think I'd call it WILDLY successful. It wasn't a failure but compared to Broodwar is kind of is. The esports scene for it is almost completely dead compared to other games.
>>317763182
Modern Blizzard doesn't believe in allowing the fans to play their games how they want to play them.
Overwatch has zero (0) mod support and no private dedicated servers, the entire game is fucked and is the biggest disappoint for me personally this year. Blizzard is beyond saving at this point.
>>317763658
>will be wildly successful, like literally every other Blizzard game.
>diablo 3
>starcraft 2
>heroes of the storm
>current state of WoW subscriptions
if you're going by raw purchasing sales (hots obviously excluded) you may have an argument. if you're going by playerbase comparative to other major PC games, you're dead wrong and i think i took the bait.
>>317763818
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>317763658
>and will be the next big e-sport.
-Starcraft 2 is dying as an e-sport in Korea, with Brood War making a big comeback over the past few years.
-Heroes of the Storm is stillborn as an e-sport.
-Blizzard practically gave up on trying to force WoW PVP as a competitive e-sport
The only recent game of theirs that has any sort of a future as one is Hearthstone, and who knows how long that'll last. That's not a very solid track record for post-Activision Blizzard.
>>317760636
>Is it acceptable for a modern FPS to have a tickrate of 20?
It's not a point in its favor for sure but there are shitload other factors to take into consideration.
It's like judging a processor based entirely on its clock.
>>317763035
Especially with a 12 man player count
These threads are classic because it's nothing but shit-posting from people who haven't even played it and yet keep spouting shit by claiming it's casual or a TF2 clone.
Maybe you'll get in the next beta invite wave? Have fun acting retarded about a game you literally haven't touched and have no opportunity to touch unless invited to.
Nearly everyone who's played it really liked it, myself included.
See you on launch day. ;^)
>>317762680
>there were no probelms over the weekend when I played.
>peak behind cover
>die from a bullet that shot where I was
It's like playing against high interp snipers in TF2
>>317763881
Every single game of that list has made money.
>>317763917
Do you have any idea of how much SC2 has sold?
>>317763881
>SC2
Very successful, sold tons of copies.
>D3
Literally one of the best selling games of ALL TIME, look it up.
>HotS
Brand new game that is getting bigger and bigger
>WoW
#1 MMO in the world even today
>I don't like it therefore it wasn't successful
Kill yourself retard.
>>317764108
>>317764127
>Making money means it's a success
HERP DERP. Fallout 4 is a huge success too I guess. Thanks for setting me straight jews! DURR.
>>317763984
>if you're going by playerbase comparative to other major PC games
What? F2P MOBAs full of pñlayers who barely spend shit or nothing at all?
Blizzard fans may be a lot of things, but they do spend money.
>>317763917
So Blizzard at it's worst is only really successful versus other companies and not wildly succuesful?
Overwatch could literally sell zero copies and it wouldn't fucking matter do to WoW and Hearthstone profits.
Blizzard are fucking scumbags.
https://torrentfreak.com/blizzard-stole-our-source-code-bot-maker-says-151119/
>>317760928
They already announced that Tracer will be in HotS and will be recieved via deluxe edition purchase
>>317764227
>Making money means it's a success
Yes? Is this bait?
>>317764227
Sorry to break it to you, but videogame COMPANIES make vidya to make money.
So yes, making a lot of money is literally a success.
>>317761581
that's usually what happens when you play against a player with high ping, they kill you behind cover
>>317764250
they spend money, but there just aren't enough of them that are heavily invested in titles like hots or d3
>>317764227
Please tell me this is a troll. No one can be this stupid.
There's some advanced shitposting going on in this thread. That or there's a couple shills.What am I saying? Of course there are shills.
Blizzard managed to run one of the most successful multiplayers in the world straight into the ground and from that experience alone I really wouldn't be surprised if the stress test was /exactly/ what I'll see from Overwatch on release, this tick shit included.
>>317762117
even pros move while shooting quite often now, with rifles too
Its Blizzard.
The drones don't care if they're eating shit as long as its from their ass.
>>317764420
They already paid the 60 bucks, do you think Blizzard gives a shit if they are invested?
Because it's coming out on consoles and they have to design the game around hilariously shitty console P2P connections.
Keep in mind, they were trying to keep all platforms unified to pander to retards, they were originally denying having adjustable FOV because it was "unfair to people who don't know what it means or don't use the options menu"
Yes, PC gamers who don't use the options menu.
>>317760636
Jesus you talk about shitty server programming. Who uses a forward euler update system for hit detection when you could use sweeps with time markers? The only reason is in case of packet loss in which case no bullets are even fired.
You guys say 1998 tier servers, when literally that's how they are all programmed.
>>317764354
>>317764362
>>317764457
Better buy some Blizzard stock if you care so fucking much about money. Kikes.
The games being fucking dead and despised by the entire gaming community is what makes it a failure you dumbfucks. Games can't even make the top of the Twitch views. It's fucking pathetic.
>>317760890
Cry some more Sergei. There is no such thing as a good f2p game and no game is improved by it.
>>317763975
I really hate this graph.
It's just people desperately trying to redefine who is to blame for shittiness because they can't accept the reality that people can make both good and bad shit.
For example:
ArenaNet made Guild Wars, which was good. Than they made Guild Wars 2, which is complete and utter fucking SHIT.
>inb4 neoArenaNet is different people!
Because these fags say that kind of shit to excuse anything.
Still, the created of this probably knows that Guild Wars 2 is fucked because he used words like "Crowning Jewel" (Yeah, you ain't some fanboy dipshit.) to describe Eye of the North, yet never updated this thing after the release of GW2. He probably offed himself actually.
WoW is shit too.
>>317764759
Dota 2 retard, hello? Path of Exile? You know, the game that is what D3 should have been.
Also TF2, the game Overblown is trying to compete with. The game that has a higher fucking tickrate and was released in 2007.
>>317763975
>Starcraft ripping off Warhammer 40k
>Not aliens and predator
>Warhammer 40k not ripping off Starship Troopers and Robocop.
>>317764127
>SC2
LotV came out, and it still never surpasses any other e-sport game on twitch.
>More people playing Diablo 2 on Twitch currently than Diablo 3
Yeah sorry bud. The only reason Diablo 3 sold as well as it did because it was the sequel to Diablo 2. Diablo 3 is renowned not for being the best selling game of all time, but the most disappointing game of all time.
Also saying HotS is getting bigger and bigger but still has less viewers than diablo 2 currently.
Currently the only reason WoW is #1 MMO in the world is because people don't want to abandon their characters. Ever since the success of WoW, MMO's have become absolute garbage and all they care about is being the next wow killer and cashing in. Hell even if they arent trying to be a wow killer all they care about is cashing in (Archeage).
>>317764707
>dead
>latest expansion of SC2 still sold one million in the first 24 hours (without counting preorders)
Do we even know what the tickrates are for other games? I know BF4 only got 60 tick servers recently, which means prior to that and in past games it was probably comparable to overwatch.
I wouldn't be suprised if most games have tick rates that low.
>Legacy of the Void, the least advertised, least hyped starcraft XPAC that launched the same day as Fallout 4 and within a week of Star Wars: Battlefront sold literally a million copies in the first 24 hours
>People think Overwatch will flop
/v/ is just cute sometimes
>>317764953
>>317763975
Also
>ripping warhammer fantasy
>not Gamesworkshop backing out on blizzard and then blizzard just releasing the game on a different working title.
Whoever made this image had an axe to grind and made up arbitrary bullshit
>>317764875
TF2 went to shit (and died) precisely because of going F2P.
>>317762482
That is a visual representation to explain what tick rate means to someone who doesn't understand or isn't very technical.
As far as the server is concerned, when that player moves down that path, those little graphics of him are the places where the server updates his location as he goes. So basically to the servers logic, he is (very quickly) teleporting between those locations, so it's not possible to shoot him in those places in between, because the tick rate is so low that it never registers him being there, it sees him at place A, then place, C. Not space B in the middle.
With the 128 tick, it updates his location so often, that there aren't little break areas in his movement where he can't be hit.
It's hard to put to words, hopefully you understand what I mean.
>>317764875
>PoE, a completely dead game that left the devs in crippling debt
>better than D3 which sold 30 million copies
l m a o
>>317765014
>one million
LMAO. Black Ops 3 sold five times that.
>>317764956
>twich
>views
>views
>more views
Yawn. Call me when you bring some numbers which mean a shit.
Like sales or players.
>>317765106
TF2 is still a fun game with better balance and more depth than Overflop.
>>317765149
>PoE, a completely dead game that left the devs in crippling debt
Post source.
>>317764707
Sure, looks good to me.
>>317765165
And?
>>317763881
SC2 just had an expansion sell 1 million copies inm 24 hours despite being PC exclusive and launching on the same day as Fallout 4
Diablo 3 has sold 30 million copies, it's the 10th best selling game ever.
WoW still has more players 11 years after launch than the rest of the top 5 MMOs combined.
>>317765106
Being the fourth most played game on Steam sure is dead.
>>317765165
And that was made by the same company.
>>317765106
It's still pretty great if you find the right servers.
>died
Still as popular as ever.
>>317765264
>TF2 is still a fun game
No it isn't, and I fucking miss it, but it went to shit.
>tickrate
thank for based blizzard for creating a new buzzword
>>317765283
It was one of the better performing stocks this year, even through the August drop
>>317765283
It looks like Icarus flying too close to the sun, struggling to stay in the air but is inevitably going to fall.
>>317764759
Dota 2?
Even LoL is pretty decent considering the devs update it more frequently and more sweepingly than any other F2P game on the market today.
>>317765450
>tick
>new word
lol
>>317765445
>Still as popular as ever.
Nope. Cmpare the numbers with those of 5 years ago.
I'm gonna wait to play the game before I make a judgement call, still hoping for a beta invite sometime in the future.
>>317765264
>better balance
MASSIVE LOL
>and more depth
Wow, an 8 year old game that's done nothing but iterate over nearly decade has more depth than the beta version of a game? Really? Beta Overwatch has more depth than Vanilla TF2.
I say that as someone who loves TF2 with a few thousand hours in game.
>>317765548
http://steamcharts.com/app/440#All
>>317765450
>Blizzard
Battlefield 4 is the game that made "netcode" and "tickrate" common parlance for gaming normies.
>>317765264
>better balance
it's the same kind of balance, everything shits on everything except a few things. TF2 got more broke over the years though, only game that doesn't like my new internet connection too.
>>317765485
>Anti-Blizzdrones
That's fucking cute, anon, holy shit.
>BLOPS 3 just launched and sold really well
>Skylanders continues to sell well
>Madden will never not sell well
>Skylanders cartoon about to launch
>>317765264
I was in TF2 since the beta. It took years for something resembling balance, and it went to shit with all too many weapons added.
>>317765485
>/v/ in charge of reading the stock market
>BUSINESS SUCCESS IS DETERMINED BY MY FEELINGS ALONE
>>317765703
What are you trying to prove? It's down to launch numbers.
>Raise legitimate concern about game balance due to poor online programming
>Blizzardshills think this is commonplace and actively defend it
Jesus christ. I though Valvefags were bad, at least all they defend are stupid hats not something that actually destroys the gameplay.
>>317765703
>all time peak was in 2012
>Still as popular as ever
Kek.
>>317765889
>It's down to launch numbers.
From?
>>317765917
>Blizzardshills think this is commonplace
It IS commonplace, the amount of games that have tickrates beyond 30, or god forbid offer 64+ are not even a fraction of a fraction of modern releases.
>>317765917
Different games handle things differently, not every game handles it's online lag and lag compensation like source does
You haven't played it
>>317765149
No they aren't you fucking retard.
>>317765264
I like TF2, but I hesitate to say that it's extremely balanced. Pyro has been constantly shit on by Valve and there's a lot of disparity between some weapon unlocks. I also feel heavy has a bit harder time dealing with competent players with his movement.
>>317766005
what? look at the start and end of the all-time graph.
At launch it had roughly 62,000 players and now it's back down to 62,000 players.
programmer here
they're simply using a tickrate of 20 because they thought "eh, that's still acceptable" and because it means they can host the same amount of players with 1/3 the servers
>>317766158
Anon, the graph only shows 2012 to 2015
TF2 launched in 2007
That fact that it's still the fourth most played game on Steam says a lot
>>317765214
LOL. Are you that fucking dumb that you don't realize a game that has no viewers, wont survive as an e-sport? Also I like how you completely ignore a great statistic in determining a games longevity and popularity because its "twitch"
>>317763975
They were working together with Gamesworkshop for a W40K game but GW backed out and Blizzard decided to release it anyway under Starcraft.
And GW ripped off the orc concept from Tolkien anyway so what gives the butthurt anon?
>>317766324
>e-sports
Again, who gives a shit.
>>317765984
August 2012 (the peak) was right around the time it went F2P.
I thought you could get away with different tickrates depending on the game engine?
I remember people making this argument a lot comparing Battlefield and CS a while ago, what's the dealio?
Redpill me on tickrate.
>>317766164
>they thought "eh, that's still acceptable"
Because it is acceptable. I've played Overwatch and it plays fucking great, /v/ is wrong like always.
Can't wait to buy the collector's edition on day 1. :^)
>>317766509
Which means F2P killed it and all went downhill since then.
>>317763975
Warcraft 2 and 3 and starcraft were way better than the diablo games faggit.
>>317760636
I fucking noticed while playing you're always .5 seconds behind where you actually are.
It's so fucking annoying
>>317765056
ever since undertale /v/ has been constantly BTFO
>>317766767
Community wise I felt the game was going downhill well before F2P.
>>317766904
Mannconomy (and jews) was introduced some months before F2P.
What does quake 3 use? Is that what /rate changes?
>>317766014
Most games don't need a tickrate beyond 30 because they arent fast paced shooters. It should not be commonplace for games like this. Dota 2 has issues with 30 tickrate although its rare and usually favors on the side of doing the correct thing anyways. Overwatch should be 64+ easily.
>>317762517
>the foundation of the house doesnt mean anything when your support beams and construction materials are shit aswell
no shit sherlock, but you should always start with a strong foundation.
I want to grab D.Va from behind and furiously pound her gook pussy while holding on to those black hip grips on her suit.
>>317766484
People who enjoy the game / watching the game, sponsors, the game creator, people who are employed due to e-sports, the pro players, etc..
Valve probably made more money with dota 2 alone this year than Blizzard made.
>>317767542
Well, I was talking to a Valvedrone, that explains everything.
>>317765106
Nope, it was to bolster user numbers. TF2 died with the class updates, with the first being the Gold Rush Update.
>>317763658
only true post in the thread, blizzard never made a bad game
>>317766559
It's fun but don't be a cocksucking shill. The tickrate mixed with latency to the server is terrible. If I'm behind a wall and then Roadhog for example hooks me through the wall because the server updates too slow. That's a huge fucking problem.
>commercial success is the same as critical success
god i want to play overwatch so bad, im happy its not using the F2P model
>>317763975
>ripping-off warhammer fantasy
stopped reading there
So as someone who is super hype for Overwatch but wants something to play while they wait.
Is TF2 still worth playing? I played it back in the orange box days but from what I see now its a cluster fuck of items, hats and I feel like I'd have no idea whats going on.
Opinions?
>>317766513
Battlefield has not gotten away with using a lower tickrate due to it's engine. BC2, BF3, and BF4 all had major network issues that ended up getting fixed a year or so after release. BF4's shitty tickrate was pretty well known and hated. I don't know if tickrate is to blame for it, but BC2 had huge issues with false-positive hit markers.
>>317768428
>Get into beta
>Expect garbage
>Love it
>Weekend ends
>Realise my invite wasn't permanent, only weekend
>Can't play anymore
>Really want to
Feels bad man
>>317765139
Yep, I understand now, so what's an acceptable tick rate for an fps?
>>317768551
dont do it, its like going back to an old friend just to see it all fucked up, remember the good times
>>317768102
That isn't tickrate, that is Roadhogs hook having a slight delay between hitting a target and pulling the target back, mixed with your hitbox being bigger than you can see, and normal lag issues.
Even with higher tickrate, this is something that would happen.
>>317768727
64+, ideally 128.
>>317760636
>60 tick rate
>BF4
pick 1/6th
>>317763994
???
>>317767003
Even before then, I can't pinpoint the exact time, i just remember before most of the class unlocks thinking how shitty most of the servers and players were, it was hard to have a decent game of gravelpit.
>>317768816
BF4 has 60 and 120 tick servers now.
>>317761884
that video is garbage
I never have problems like that, also he's moving and shooting in most of the clips
>>317768739
Is it really that bad now? Did the items and crafting really change it that much?
I just want some nice teambased FPS with fun classes.
>>317768727
Never lower than 64.
128 is also great, but some engines out there just can't fucking handle it on the server side (BF4 for example, those servers crash CONSTANTLY when the server is set to 120 tick)
>>317768974
I thought they just implemented some sort of clientside network smoothing effect that only works in a radius around your player
>>317765274
>He doesn't know about how the items being sold by real money shops are being supplied by the devs for a cut
LMAO
M
A
O
>>317760636
>all that d.va sfm porn just waiting to be made
>>317769161
No, they added tick rate options. Like a year ago.
>>317769076
It's really hard to fins decent games and some of the weapons can be a bit of a pain in the ass to deal with, ones that stick out in my mind, wrangler, rescue ranger, and loose cannon.
>>317768763
Same shit happens with Tracer. You hit blink and port away somewhere. Killcam shows you died. The blink never goes off. It's a case of the tickrate being too low and exacerbating the latency. You're right it would still happen with a higher tickrate but wich much lower frequency.
>>317769168
POST. A. SOURCE.
>>317768428
>>317768714
The shilling intensifies.
>>317769290
>Same shit happens with Tracer. You hit blink and port away somewhere. Killcam shows you died. The blink never goes off.
This didn't happen to me a single time all weekend.
What did happen was my pressing my Q grenade and dying a split second later before it throws it.
>>317763658
>Overwatch is the future of FPS games and will be the next big e-sport
no, it won't, sorry bro
I have a lot of tf2 invite players as friends on steam, they all got into the beta and almost all of them have told me they're under contract to stream it a certain amount of time each week, but after release the contract is up and none of them will be making the switch to it, it has the strategic depth of a puddle of water and an astoundingly low skill ceiling
I just told platinum literally 2 minutes ago about 20 tic servers and he said "yeah we know, this game isn't going anywhere as an e-sport"
>>317769262
coolio
>>317769389
>Why can't 4chan be a mono-opinion hugbox echochamber where everyone agrees with me
Maybe try Neogaf.
>>317769438
>>317769290
This happened to me no less than 7 times this weekend, I'd teleport and start moving again then die. Killcam showed me getting shot at my teleport starting point and the tele never going off.
It's painful because I was playing properly and timing my teleports to dodge widowmaker shots but for whatever reason I still died to the netcode.
>ITT: Blizzdrones try to defend yet even more bullshit
>>317763658
>Overwatch is the future of FPS games and will be the next big e-sport.
my friend literally thinks this
>>317767897
You should work on your argument skills, they are fucking pathetic. All you do is "oh those stats are shit" "oh you're a valvedrone" "all that matters is sales"
Just a tip, im not a valvedrone, it was just an example. Riot probably makes more than Blizzard as well. When Sports / E-Sports are done correct, the ones in charge make a fuck ton of money.
It's funny how blizzard games have constantly been degrading in quality to pander to the lowest common denominator to sell more copies. You kind of proved my point that you belong there.
>>317769534
Or maybe, just maybe, you simply just have shit taste if you think this is an example of a good game. You know there are plenty of alternatives to this garbage, right? That or you're totally a Blizzdrone, or simply a shill.
>>317770323
Shill, drone, shit taste, buzzword bonanza.
No, really just try neogaf. You can't handle anyone else liking things you don't and if they do they are an agent of the boogieman enemy of the month coming to infiltrate your hugbox.
Neogaf is a community tailor made for your need to have people spout your opinions back at you for self satisfaction. You might feel more relaxed there.
>>317770323
Name some.
>>317770323
Wow, have you actually played it?
>>317770323
>Look mommy I'm the hivemind, I fit in here :)
>>317760636
>BF4
>Using above 60 tickrate
Retards seriously need to stop saying this. Just because the option is there doesn't mean it's being used. Open up battlelog, and see how many 144 servers are actually populated compared to 30, 35 and 60.
>>317770769
>Just because the option is there doesn't mean it's being used.
It's used a ton, all my servers in my favourites use it. Learn to filter you dumb fuck.
>>317769389
>>317770323
I've always found it to be really interesting that I constantly see reddit and neogaf called "hugboxes" on this board, yet this is the bog standard response to absolutely anyone who doesn't conform to the /v/ opinion on something.
It's incredible irony.
>>317765264
>tfw Valve started catering to "friendly" faggots with cross-team highfives and dance taunts
>>317761581
If BF4 can do 60 tick now then at the very least they can do that. There's no way there's more going on in an Overwatch match than a 64 player game with vehicles and destructible environments.
>>317766335
i think you're a little confused. im pretty sure they were working on a vanilla war hammer game that turned into the original warcraft.
>>317768958
Starcraft 2 did not lay the foundation down for modern e-sports. They did may 5-10% at best with Starcraft being another maybe 10-15% although that was entirely all South Korea / KeSpa. 75% or more was LoL / Dota 2 (and Dota2 TV) / Twitch (previously part of justin.tv) / and other streaming sites for other countries like Douyu.
>>317771217
Myth that stands on absolutely 0 evidence.
>>317769467
sounds like bullshit seeing as i know the invite players too.
platinum isn't even good; nice try though.
>>317766046
What are you saying? He hasn't played Overwatch?
Because I constantly kept dying as Tracer AFTER blinking away, and on the kill-cam it showed me somewhere else.
You can't even corner fire rockets onto a sentry because it will shoot you EVERY time.
>>317760636
this doesn't change the fact that the game has the bestw a i fusright now.
>>317765056
yea what's up with that shit? I used to be hardcore korea brood war starcraft guy and I didnt even know Legacy of the void released until the day of.
>>317765264
are you one of those fags that thinks bastion is OP?
>>317769389
its actually surprisingly fun. im not even a shill.
>>317763658
>Overwatch is the future of FPS games and will be the next big e-sport.
Woah woah slow the fuck down. I loved the game this weekend and plan on buying it, but that is one fucking insane statement.
>>317769467
>I have a lot of tf2 invite players as friends on steam, they all got into the beta and almost all of them have told me they're under contract to stream it a certain amount of time each week, but after release the contract is up
Standard /v/ bullshit.
>>317770323
>there are plenty of alternatives
Like? Genuinely interested, only know of TF2 and Gotham City Imposters.
I care a lot less about the tickrate than I do the fact that it costs fucking $40, but has the gall to try to jew people for skins and likely heroes. On top of that, it's a fucking multiplayer only game yet only supports 6v6. Tickrate would matter if you wanted to pretend this shit had a future in esports, but it doesnt
>>317764707
Here we go.
Twitch views are the measure of success, boys. Go watch your video games now, good goy.
>>317772860
Fucking this, I've been dying for a game like TF2 that's actually good and not dead
Dirty Bomb is shitting itself with F2P nonsense, so that's out now.
Why play this over Gigantic, Battleborn or Paladins?
>>317772950
It's ok Vladimir, you can go find another f2p game to shit up while we get to experience one free of your ilk for once.
>>317773271
What the fuck is Gigantic and Paladins?
>>317764953
>robocop
Is this bait?
>>317773271
>Paladins
>Hi-Rez studios
>Gigantic
>actually a Moba
Fuck that
I don't know shit about Battleborn
>>317773504
Basically the same shit as Overwatch, but better.
>>317772950
>/v/ has sunk to the point where people actually complain when games aren't f2p
I pray to fucking Christ that you are just some poor beaner and not the average /v/ user.
Rural american here.
Get 300 ping for tf2 servers in my own state.
Had no ping problems with overwatch.
Coincidence?
>>317773670
Dota 2 and Path of Exile set the bar higher than P2P games.
We learned you CAN have your cake and eat it too.
>>317760636
Is ticks the next meme word loserfags will use in order to flame a game? It's pings and anti-aliasing all over again.
>>317773812
>DotA
Ok you're some HIV infected Siberian shit and not a beaner, nevermind.
>>317772012
>the second best soldier to ever touch the game, the best pocket, the best in game leader
>isn't even good
u wot m8?
bf4 runs at 30 hz, and i think there was a patch recently that let you get your server into 'high update mode' which was 40 hz (hah)
i dont really care though since that game is what is. something like counter-strike is a little bit easier to notice the difference between 64 and 128 but people just use it as an excuse for them dying it gets old real quick.
it is however, fucking stupid for idiots on the internet to play armchair network engineer and think they have a flying fuck of a clue what goes on in a complicated game
>Beta weekend isn't open to all
>Miraculously everyone on /v/ got an invite since everyone seems to be fully capable of commenting on it
Mhm
>>317760713
It's another memeword PCfats are using to feel intellectual.
>>317773898
>bf4 runs at 30 hz, and i think there was a patch recently that let you get your server into 'high update mode' which was 40 hz (hah)
Do you ever feel embarrassed knowing you are actively and intentially lying to make things appear worse than they are because you have no better argument?
It's pretty fucking pathetic.
>>317763409
Idiots, we are surrounded by them.
>>317772782
dont have to prove shit to you, kiddo
I hope when overwatch is dead and forgotten after its first forced tournament blizzard 100% funds and pays players to compete in you'll think on this and realize how fucking idiotic you sounded
probably won't though, you'll just be gargling blizzard cock thinking about the next big cash grab they're about to defecate into your mouth
>>317773874
Sorry, why pay when I can actually get everything for free? Why not just pirate everything?
>>317771224
You must be either dumb or seriously uneducated... E-sports have been a thing since the 80s with the professional Space Invaders and Pac-Man circuits.LITERALLY PRO CIRCUITS YOU COULD MAKE MONEY IN [/SPOILER]
.
Also fighting game
.
THEN Starcraft: Brood War happened which made E-sports a global thing with its popularity in Asia.
>75% or more was LoL / Dota 2
This gave me cancer... You were are another tier of retard of you actually think this
>>317773898
>bf4 runs at 30 hz, and i think there was a patch recently that let you get your server into 'high update mode' which was 40 hz (hah)
If 60hz and 120hz are 40 in your head, maybe.
I am actually reading a thread where people are literally saying ticrate doesn't matter for a PC shooter
I feel physically ill
wtf has this board turned into?
>>317774052
lying about what? bf4 is 30hz and i thought ive seen servers advertise as 40.
but looking back on my list, i am seeing servers reporting as 60 and even 120, they just never show up for me normally since when i log in my filter of 64 player conquest with all of the maps eliminates all of them.
i dont know why you are trying to act like such a tool
>>317774052
He is telling the truth though, BF4 ran at TEN tick for most of it's lifespan. They supposedly upped tit to 30 at one point but the general opinion is that it was bullshit because it didn't fix anything.
Recently they claim to have upped it to 60 but that caused even more problems because servers weren't able to handle it.
>>317774335
>i dont know why you are trying to act like such a tool
The tool is the person who knowingly lies just to make an argument off of false foundation solely because he wants to score cred and fit in with his /v/ peers.
>>317774297
it doesn't matter for a casual PC shooter.
Overwatch won't ever be competitive. It's a silly game for weebs to drone about their waifus and teens to bond with one another. If TF2 wasn't enough to make it's genre competitive, then Overwatch certainly won't be no matter what its ticrate is.
>>317773964
You're not paying enough attention, It's literally the same 4-5 people, maybe a 6th but he likely left
>>317774538
>weebs
>interested in a western game with western design
Do you not know what weeaboo means?
>>317764362
If "success," being taken as having your shitty pop single replayed on the average FM radio station, is the definition I think you're trying to convey to me.
Then when you talk to anyone who isn't sixteen or a retarded girl, they'd probably have a very different idea of what success is and what is successful to them.
>>317762589
I can open up any random valve server on CSGO right now and get 64 ticks.
If they are using 20 ticks thats a joke. don't they get like 10 million dollars a month from WoW alone?
>>317769205
People can actually get off the the dead eyed plasticky lifeless look of SFM porn?
>>317774720
>western design
>completely ripped off of anime
Did you really think D.Va was an original character?
>Was looking forward to this as a new MP game to play
>20 tickrate
>Any interest killed in two words
>>317774402
but i didnt knowingly lie, i told you the only servers i see are 30 and every once in a while 40. one of them is now 50 which is actually new.
i dont know what your dumb fucking motive is, blizzard is a stupid fucking company and overwatch looks like fucking garbage
>>317774538
so many fucking things wrong with this post
first off, tf2 and overwatch aren't the same genre, I'm amazed at how people can still compare the two when overwatch is now in beta and there are streams and a lot of footage on youtube
second, overwatch WILL be an e-sport
blizzard doesn't have to create an e-sport scene, they have enough money to just buy one, and that's exactly what they'll do, same as HotS and Hearthstone
third, have you ever actually played on 20 tic? it feels worse than a console game, like everything is constantly rubber banding
if you combine 20 tic and people with over 100 ping you're going to have serious problems, the game is going to be borderline unplayable
>>317774729
>TFW I literally did a project in grade 7 English about success
Success is a shallow thing, get over it. You make your money and leave.
>>317775186
But it's just a meme according to people in this thread lmao!
>>317775138
>Anno created skintight body suits
As expected of the master
>>317775316
>New game comes out
>Small team? Objective based? Multiplayer? ROLES????
>INSTANT E-SPORT ZOMFG LMAO
Sure it'll be an E-sport for a while, but people can only tolerate the smell of shit for so long before they leave the room.
>game tries to be an arena shooter
>consoles
>20 tickrate
>Cawadooty soldier
Its dead on arrival, but hey, Blizzshitters will eat anything that gets put in from of them!
>>317763975
>decides it's time to squeeze more money our of WoW
So they should have stopped developing WoW at some point between 2004 and 2007 because you're a butthurt child?
>>317776060
>Cawadooty soldier
So you use 1 class of 20, which is designed around making fun of CoD soldier (all his voice lines) as proof the game is bad?
Scraping the barrel, mate.
What's their to talk about?
Overwatch fucks it's quality up with a shitty tick rate but it's a Blizzard game so people are more tolerant because of the label.
Does this thread need to go any further?
>>317775316
>they have enough money to just buy [an esports scene]...same as HotS
HotS isn't remotely close to being an esport.
>>317776334
So you're going to ignore Hearthstone up there and cherry pick the beta game as proof that Blizzard can't make esports games?
>>317776334
WoW and Hearthstone are, evidently.
>ITS GOING TO BE THE BEST GAME EVER MADE
>YOU ARE JUST MAD YOU HAVEN'T GOT INTO THE BETA YET
>ALL CRITICISM IS JUST MEMES
>WHY IS /v/ A HUGBOX
>WHY IS /v/ A CIRCLEJERK
>WHY DID /v/ KILL MY PARENTS
>/v/ DID 9/11
You know what Blizzdrones remind me of? That one indian guy on /int/
They shout about how Blizzard is a golden god who does nothing but piss gold and shit diamonds and that /v/ is just a bunch of entitled pissbaby shitlords who hate games. They also say that Overwatch is going to be "the future of competitive FPS and the greatest game ever created"
Meanwhile WoW is bleeding, no one cares about Diablo 3, HoTS was a blunder, and the only thing they get money off of now is Hearthstone and Starcraft.
>>317776447
Well they did make HS as a casual babby game and HotS as an esport
The fans just view them the other way around
>suddenly everyone is talking about tickrate
>majority of people didn't even know what that meant
>some still don't
it must not be important since everything I've seen seems fine.
>>317776308
>one class out of 20
Yes, anon, putting shit in a meal kind of ruins the meal still.
>which is designed around making fun of CoD soldier
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
>ITS JUST A PARODY
NIGGA GET OUT OF HERE WITH THAT SHIT.
>>317776621
>no one cares about Diablo 3
Other than the people who made it the 10th best selling game ever.
>>317774143
>You must be either dumb or seriously uneducated... E-sports have been a thing since the 80s with the professional Space Invaders and Pac-Man circuits.
Being a thing doesn't justify it paving it the way for e-sports. Those things were small as shit or failed miserably and most people viewed video games in 80's and early 90's as childs play.
>Also fighting game
Fighting games are small fry compared to everything else. They did help a lot of fighting games didnt become e-sports earlier because of Japans laws regarding it. This is exactly why people only go to Japan to practice and all the Japanese players come to the U.S for sponsors / money.
> THEN Starcraft: Brood War happened which made E-sports a global thing with its popularity in Asia.
Hardly. There was what, 1/2 a dozen Americans that ever even were remotely as good as some Koreans. Overall the scene was almost non-existant outside of korea until streaming started becoming more common and people could tune into Jaedong vs Flash etc..
> This gave me cancer... You were are another tier of retard of you actually think this
http://www.esportsearnings.com/history/2015/games
I'll let this speak for itself. 1 single year starcraft 2 was in the lead. I did forget to mention First person shooters because Fatality was definitely one of first e-sports name to be well known and have products with his name on it. Starcraft 2 did contribute, but it wasn't "laid the foundation". Shits fucking retarded.
>>317776621
>That guy who keeps posting over and over again trying to inflate his /v/ hivemind score
>>317776669
I promise you that a lot of the issues you're having that you're just assuming are lag are actually because of the ticrate
no one cared about ticrate before because the only games it matters in are competitive shooters with hitscan, and those games all have 128 tic servers that are used for competitive play
20tic is playable, but for a game they're trying to push as an e-sport it's absolutely inexcusable
>>317777032
>I promise you
And your argument dies.
>>317775316
>tf2 and overwatch aren't the same genre
They have the same exact concepts: objective based maps, classes, arena based gameplay.
>second, overwatch WILL be an e-sport
India will be a superpower by 2030.
>>317776773
You mean how Blizzard conducted a hype train, and had it all crash after the game didn't even fucking WORK day one?
>>317776875
Hey, newfag, listen up.
The website you are posting on right now? Its called 4chan.
You can have whatever opinion you want, anything you want to say, its up to you. However, everyone else has the same exact right to say what they want, and call you out on your shit. If this does happen, you don't cry like a little bitch about /v/ being a "hivemind", you either take the criticism or not be a faggot on the internet about it
>>317763387
Madden NFL
>>317777263
>They have the same exact concepts: objective based maps, classes, arena based gameplay.
So does CoD
>>317777032
but anon. I didn't notice any of that. can you promise thatyou can see why kid's love cinnamon toast crunch?
>>317777263
>all of that last part of your post
Is this pasta? It has to be, right?
No bully pls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_1JKiNdg90
>>317774297
Paid shills and redditors/neofag/pick your boogyman nu-male SJW shithole members.
>>317777562
CoD has absolutely none of tha-
oh never mind, I am arguing with a Blizzardfag, them knowing a thing about how a game works would mean they would realize how fucking bad Blizzard is. Not to mention it would require thinking past "/v/ HATES GAAAMES" chimpout level.
I played overwatch. Stress test Just feels like something between tf2 and smite with none of the good features from either. not sure if it'll last. maybe the blizz drones will eat it up but can't see it lasting too long.
still waiting on beta access
>>317760636
>BF4
>good tickrate
excuse me?
>20 tick
No wonder I was getting shot behind corners all the time.
The game is fun but you're retarded if you think it can be a competitive FPS with a tickrate of fucking 20.
Simply unplayable for competitive level play.
>>317777423
Sports games don't count because they're only popular in USA and even then only popular amongst people who like NFL lmao.
But to an Ameritard who thinks Murica is the only country in the world I can see why you would think that
>>317777263
You're a real toughie aren't you?
>My friend thinks this game will kill CSGO
Blizzdrones I swear.
>>317774297
Oh come on, anon, its nothing new.
Its Blizzdrones
They have always been the comedic relief of /v/, sitting in their corner about how Blizzards next clusterfuck of a release is going to be so "popular" and "revolutionary" and how everyone hates them for no reason.
Its better to just sit back and laugh at them when Blunderwatch fails.
>>317778196
What about all those eurokeks and shitskins who play football games.
Don't act dumb.
>>317778196
oh look a eurokek getting all high and might. enjoying your slave powered soccer games?
>>317778246
>bill le bill
I'm saying that you should leave 4chan if you can't handle being the laughing stock of the internet
>>317777843
>cant make an argument, better call him a Blizzardfag!
>>317778635
Do I really have do go into a in depth review on why saying fucking CoD has "classes, objective based maps, and fucking ARENA SHOOTER gameplay?"
You seen anons when you play the game how its meant to be played : 10 m from the screen, with a controller and running at 30fps. Tickrate just doesnt affect you as much as you would think.
>>317778787
Don't argue with MOBAfags, it isn't worth it, they don't know about anything outside of their own "genre".
>>317778431
Fifa is pretty popular...But 'soccer' is a sport played GLOBALLY by many different countries, apart from Americans because there isn't enough time for Advertisements.
NFL is played by USA and that's it. That is NOT how being popular works.
>>317777662
>>317778246
>my only argument is that i don't like you as a person
>here's my criticism of you as a person, and totally not the point you're trying to convey
Shills gonna shill
>>317777680
I wish I could aim like you.
I really love FPS games but I am AWFUL at them. Every single time I'm in a gunfight, I tense my arm and wrist really bad, and because of that I can't make sweeping motions to keep my crosshair on enemies, I tend to just keep making jerky "move a centimeter, stop, move a centimeter stop" mouse motions that mean I am spending 90% of my ammo overshoot or undershoot my attempts to aim at people.
I've tried forever to stop doing that but I can't.
I will forever envy pretty much every video I see of other people playing FPSes.
>>317777263
>They have the same exact concepts: objective based maps, classes, arena based gameplay.
wait...wut? I can list games from almost every genre that have the same things, are you retarded?
should I consider zelda and soul calibur the same genre because they both have swords, gameplay, controlled with controllers, characters, fighting, etc.
maybe also I should consider undertale and civ5 the same genre because they're both video games?
fuck god almighty you are dumb as shit, son
>>317778150
It's because they refuse to give dedicated server software to the public, they want the game to be a P2P game since it's planned for console release.
>>317778787
Are you saying game modes outside TDM aren't objective based?
Are you saying that you don't make your own classes, and with Blops 3 don't play as a specialized class?
Are you saying you are not in a fast paced environment where twitch aiming and map control are not key?
>>317778913
We play it in Canada too, and I'm pretty sure there's a few countries in South America that play it.
>>317779218
Idk best thing I think you could do is go into a CSGO aim practice server and just shoot the targets 15-20 minutes a day. I know thats mundane as fuck but it should help.
>>317777680
god, I can tell it's 20 ticrate just from looking at it
I'll give credit where it's due though, the sound and particle effects are great
They killed this game by designing it with a console release in mind. Because of that we lost dedicated servers, lost a server browser, and got stuck with XBL/PSN friendly 20 tick peer2peer hosting.
>>317776447
hearthstone started as a side project and was never meant as a esport. They picked it up after it boomed suddenly
It was a accident it turned out to be so successful.
Now a game that was made ground up from esport, HotS is a fucking failure.
>>317765984
>>317766767
F2P raised TF2's playerbase up by four to five times
https://web.archive.org/web/20110622064831/http://store.steampowered.com/stats
This was the day right before it turned F2P
Saying it caused TF2 to die is insane
>>317779654
It felt fine to me. Idk if this tickrate bullshit is true or not but it felt perfect to me. And I'm legendary eagle on CSGO and level 125 in Battlefield 4. I think if youre just shit at games, your just shit.
so are they going to keep it 20 tick or are they going to make it not shit? if it stays 20 tick fuck this game then
I just scroll through Overwatch threads for the lewds and the waifus.
I played it, it's fun, but I'm not good at shooters.
Please post best lewds.
>>317779757
problem is blizzard can only do passion projects.
hearthstone is just because the mega nerds at blizzz play a shit ton of board and card games.
hots was pretty much "well we better milk as much money as we can before mobas die"
I'm just going to ignore every post in this thread to mention one thing.
I played the beta all weekend and holy fuck did I have a blast so shit on the game all you want but I preordered collectors edition and don't regret it at all.
>>317780037
Now Blizz tries to tap relatively untouched non-realistic team objective shooters genre, and they fail miserably with pricing because of their jewery, and basic mechanics because they have no clue and hurr consoles
>>317779912
>legendary eagle on CSGO and level 125 in Battlefield 4
and both of those mean almost nothing, just a measure of time invested into the game
you've probably only ever played on 64 tic servers, so the difference between that and 20 as long as your ping is low won't feel like much
if you put thousands of hours into games on 128 tic low ping servers then go play a netcode nightmare on 20 tic, you will definitely feel it
>>317780224
enjoy burning out after a week of gameplay because of flawed gameplay core
>>317780224
>I like shit!
>I ate some shit!
>I liked it!
>I bought more shit!
ok, dude, cool, enjoy
HEY
HEY
CAN WE MAKE A ONE TICK SERVER
SOMEONE FIND ME THIS
When is the next wave of beta invites going out?
>>317780338
Not to sound like a faggot, but I'm good at any fps including arena shooters and played tons since the 90's. Name one with shit tickrate
>>317767456
Why does she go from playful to incredibly bitchy so fast?
>>317760636
>BF4
>CSGO
>TF2
>good
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No.
Also TF2 source wasn't 60-128 from the get go and most modern games don't even have netcode good enough to benefit from high tickrate.
>>317780338
>if you put thousands of hours into games on 128 tic low ping servers then go play a netcode nightmare on 20 tic, you will definitely feel it
so what you're saying is this is a problem the vast majority of people wont feel at all
>>317760636
>YFW 1998 had faster more furious games than 2015 and managed to be far more accurate with 20 tick than modern games with 128 tick.
I have literally never heard of tickrate until /v/ started using it as a reason to shit on overwatch
>>317780817
>I've literally never played multiplayer games in my life. Thanks for listening blog, I'll always love even when I hit twelve.
>>317780916
you seem to get angry easily
>>317780424
>I haven't even played it but I know it's shit
>I'm just going to keep shit-posting about a game I actually know nothing about!!!
ok, dude, cool, enjoy
>>317780660
silver scrub detected
>>317777777
>>317780916
>Blizzdrones are the shit-posters
>>317780658
Mood swings make her a more realistic woman
>>317781034
stupid dumb newfag scum
>>317780984
>http://www.bluesnews.com/articles/latency_vs_ping.shtml
You seem to be young easily. Maybe stop being fucking twenty years late with the program you fucking retard.
>>317781101
>a more realistic woman
That probably explains why she such a shit character and worst waifu.
>>317780992
and this is where your argument falls apart
I've had the beta for a while now, since the first wave, I've played it quite a bit, the sound and particle effects are 10/10, the gameplay itself gets boring after a short amount of time because it has the strategic depth of a puddle
I would put it a step above the new battlefront
and no, I'm not taking the time to timestamp screenshots for you, I don't feel the need to prove anything to you
>>317779349
>Team Fortress 2 and Overwatch are very similar, in the fact that they're both objective-based, team-based, class-based Arena shooters
>ZELDA AND SOUL CALIBER ARE THE SAME BECAUSE THEY ARE CONTROLLED WITH CONTROLERS
>ALL VIDEO GAMES ARE THE SAME
My fucking god, please tell me how do you breath?
Like, how does your body even function without your brain shutting down on pure stupidity alone?
No wonder Blizzardfags like these shitty game, they're the dumbest fucking people I've ever encountered
>>317781304
>You seem to be young easily
lol
also tickrate isn't mentioned at any point in that article. i'm not actually going to read it because i dont really care enough and
>black background white text
Just another retarded case of /v/ hoping for another ToRtanic and calling a game they haven't played shit, based on rumor, conjecture, and shit they don't understand.
It's going to be wildly successful. I can't wait until circa 2017 when Overwatch has become one of the biggest games, accompanied by a TV series, and the same retards complaining now on /v/ will say "NUH UH WE NEVER SAID IT'D FLOP, NUH UH!!!"
It's really sad that people are trying their darnedest to pick apart the beta of a game they haven't played, despite everyone who actually played it saying it's fun, instead of just posting about games they actually enjoy.
If you think this will flop, either commercially or financially, you're mentally ill.
>>317778128
bf4 supports tickrates up to 60
The PC version is the console port, just like D3. They couldn't care less about people who actually know what a tick rate is.
They're going for the type that thinks a good ping is 4+ cell phone bars.
>>317780660
>TF2 source wasn't 60-128 from the get go and most modern games don't even have netcode good enough to benefit from high tickrate
>I know almost nothing about what I'm posting about
>>317780672
yes, you're right
I'm not saying it's a problem for the typical person, I'm saying it's an immense problem for a game they're going to try to push as an e-sport
one of the first posts in this thread explains very well how ticrate can cause two snipers to kill each other with hitscan
now imagine if in the top level of CSGO, where the top awpers' reaction times are within miliseconds of each other, if they used 20 tic servers, the result would be people constantly killing each other at the same time with hitscan
that's beyond dumb
>>317781637
yeah but it's implemented horribly and only a fraction of servers have it because nobody wants to turn it on
>>317779845
Dead as in it became cancer.
But it wasn't F2P that caused that, it was the introduction of hats, and other stupid cosmetics that completely hijacked the game.
>>317781307
She's brilliantly designed. She's just there for waifu faggots to jerk off to so they made her gameplay consist of just pushing Q every 15 seconds so she can easily be played 1 handed while they jerk to her.
>>317781614
>also tickrate isn't mentioned
Yeah, it is.
Also check JC's .plan from Aug 16 19-fucking-95, where the issue of ticrate and sys_ticrate come up. It's not like the concept of tic rates is new.
>>317781757
It doesn't effect the game and if it bothers you just mod them out...very simple.
>>317781806
>She's just there for waifu faggots to jerk off to so they made her gameplay consist of just pushing Q every 15 seconds so she can easily be played 1 handed while they jerk to her.
>>317781449
>I've had the beta for a while now, since the first wave
Sure, you and the entire rest of /v/ according to this thread. Post your launcher with the play button not deactivated.
>>317781568
>what is sarcasm
also, where the fuck in all of my posts did your reading comprehension tell you I'm a blizzdrone and love overwatch?
I'm the one trying to say they're completely different games, the people comparing overwatch and tf2 because of a few generic similarities that exist between almost all shooters are fucking morons
>>317781709
>I know almost nothing about what I'm posting about
How many guns are even accurate and I suppose powerful enough for you to notice a higher tickrate? All that comes to my mind are Blackwdiow's sniper, McCree's revolver, and perhaps Hanzo's arrows. A lot of the weapons just have spread, splash, lock-on, or are usually too weak for you to give a shit, for the most part you'll die a fraction of a second after you got behind a corner I'd guess.
>>317781623
>Just another retarded case of /v/ hoping for another ToRtanic
TORtanic completely murdered this board. It has never been remotely good since.
>>317775281
ping =/= tickrate
Ping is the delay between your actions in m/s. Add high ping to a low refresh rate, and you'll wonder why people headshot you a second after you turn the corner away from them. You want low ping and a high tickrate
>>317763658
I really hope it isn't. Just like CoD4 was fine but set shitty examples for years to come that STILL ruin plenty of new games, I really hope Overwatch doesn't influence future games too heavily for similar reasons.
>>317779439
Okay, fuckhead, lets go through this.
TF2 maps are literally designed to be an objective. There is no CTF Dustbowl, or a Payload 2fort. CoD maps are pretty much one map working with all the game modes.
In TF2 you have a set of 9 classes with their respective weapons, abilities, and stats. In CoD, classes are just loadouts.
And not, CoD is not a fucking arena shooter. Its an arcade shooter. None of the abilities from UT and Quake are in CoD, expect for some shallow shit in the newer ones.
>>317782062
Fucking love that movie
>>317781974
>oh no! someone doesn't like the latest blizzard game!
>omfg what do I do! this can't be happening!
>it's impossible that someone doesn't like this perfect creation my overlords have given us!
get bent, blizzdrone, and no I'm not taking the time to give you a fucking screenshot, go fuck yourself
>>317782214
>No picture
And now you can stop posting.
>>317781449
>I've had the beta for a while now, since the first wave, I've played it quite a bit, the sound and particle effects are 10/10,
Wow, let's go over some flaws in your post.
Firstly, I'd like to say it's extremely unlikely you were in the first wave, or the full beta at all. I also like how you just so happen to compliment the sound and particle effects, the exact same thing someone posting just before you did. Was that poster you? I hope it was you.
>the gameplay itself gets boring after a short amount of time because it has the strategic depth of a puddle
See, you're talking to someone who actually did play the game, and after 50 hours of play, I don't think this is the case. I feel confident in that, not only because of what I experienced, but because of discussions had with other people who actually played it too. The game is definitely not shallow and strategy is a huge part of its depth.
>I would put it a step above the new battlefront
further cementing the fact you didn't even play it because the two don't even compare in that regard.
>and no, I'm not taking the time to timestamp screenshots for you, I don't feel the need to prove anything to you
The classic excuse. So you literally can't take 40 seconds to take a screenshot of b.net then drop it into paint and crop it for us? You seem to have an awful lot of time considering you're just shitposting on 4chan. Post it and I'll admit I'm wrong for you. You won't though, will you?
>>317775281
>he thinks ping and ticrate are the same thing
holy fucking god, dude
you should be banned for even trying to post in this thread
maybe from now on all the console kiddies should leave the netcode discussion to the adults?
>>317782214
And that solves that, better luck next time.
What is Planetside 2's tickrate?
>>317782082
it really did, I've always thought the same.
ToRtanic was extremely fun at the time and ever since then literally EVERY release has been faggots trying to rekindle the magic by attempting to make every game the BLUNDER OF THE CENTURY XD.
>>317782269
likewise, blizzdrone
enjoy overwatch when it comes out
no one who is actually any good at shooters will even be touching it after the first week
>>317782590
Keep going, it's amusing watching you trip over yourself to save face.
>>317781986
That "sarcasm" was the dumbest fucking example of sarcasm I've ever seen. You changed me comparing two fundamentally similar game mechanics to "everything is a video game"
You are a fucking idiot.
>>317781623
>ITS GOING TO BE THE BEST GAME EVER MADE AND VEE IS DUMB AND WAAAAAH WAAAAH WAAAAAH
Kid just get the fuck off please, you are a tosspot
>>317782180
UT is an arena shooter, Quake is not.
>>317776768
76 is more like a breadstick in the meal really. Saying that he's shit is implying he corrupts the entire damn plate, it's not that horrible. He's generic and that's about it, he's bread.
>>317779845
I never realized how much bullshit is on Steam nowandays. TF2 was the most-played game on the most-used PC client (besides WoW and maybe LoL) and they were pulling in numbers like that.
>>317782330
Mei isn't tumblr though. She's straight, cute, and pure. She's 10/10 wife material.
>>317782590
>>317782214
>>317781449
Wow this is really fucking pathetic.
>>317760636
Dont know what that means and dont give a fuck. Game played flawlessly at 60fps and no dc's or latency issues.
>>317768727
64+ to 128, like others have been saying is best.
The problem with a 20 tickrate is that say, a Widowmaker can aim at you, you move behind a wall and she fires as you walk behind it and kill you, even though you were client-side behind the wall. Same with basically any other character and cover.
It gets you killed when you would otherwise live.
>>317782647
How is Quake not a arena shooter?
>>317782804
you're literally not allowed to go against the hivemind or your a blizzdrone
you just have to except that everyone shit-posting didn't get to try it last weekend
>>317782665
No, he is not a breadstick.
The game is supposed to be a fast-paced arena shooter, and they add a fucking CoD character with autoaim.
That fucks up the game
>>317782384
if you think overwatch has any strategic depth then you're so far below my level of intelligence I don't even know how to debate you, I feel like I should just greentext and post an image macro
you say it's unlikely I'm in the beta then in the same breath say that you're in the one in the beta, do you not see how that makes you look?
and no, you're not going to b8 me into taking the time to log into battlenet to take a screenshot and crop it
I'm done, there's no point in arguing with you people, you can't even fathom the idea that someone doesn't froth at the mouth and leak precum at the thought of overwatch
>>317782062
I'd say that Genjis shuriken are pretty difficult to hit, the wave attack makes it a little easier to hit with though
>>317782384
Have you even played any othee games besides the ones published by Blizzard? You know there are alternatives to this game right? Those games actually execute the gameplay better than this game.
Your entire posts reeks of either a blizzdrone or a well-formatted shill reply.
>>317771175
pc can do 60 tick but not consoles
>>317776809
>Those things were small as shit or failed miserably and most people viewed video games in 80's and early 90's as childs play
So no every one knows you're a millennial, way to expose yourself kid.
>Fighting games
Street Fighter? 1998? These people made enough money to try and fix matches.
>The Starcraft: BW point
You agreed with me... This shit was as huge as E-Sports could get, Americans being shit at the game didn't mean they wouldn't follow the scene, not to mention these pro gamers still made alot of money.
>Talking about E-sports history
>Look at my link from current Year
>You must be retarded
>>317782903
>m-muh hivemind
Oh my god, you guys are Baltimore niggers.
You chimp out all the time, and whenever someone puts you in your place you shout "I DINDU NUFFIN VEE IS RAYSIS"
>>317760636
>20
What the actual fuck?
>>317782967
Well it's essentially a 3 pellet shotgun sort of. I suppose the other reason why this crap doesn't particularly matter is a lot of the characters have fairly large hitboxes, the ones that don't are kind of supposed to be a bitch to hit I think.
>>317772158
>Best waifu
>Shit tier humanoid
>Female
get the fuck out of here
Wew this dev literally admits its low tickrate thanks to consoles: https://youtu.be/V7r9Tx-jzBQ?t=6m53s
/v/ has changed so much
the term BlizzardGAF comes to mind
>>317782737
This. Mei isn't fat, she just has a poofy winter jacket on.
>>317761013
Except extrapolation and interpolation account for that you know. Higher tickrate is better in ideal conditions, not all conditions, but ideal ones. It's not necessary however.
>>317765139
> that there aren't little break areas in his movement where he can't be hit.
That is incorrect. He can be hit at any point between those positions. There is a buffered window where the players position has been which allows the server to back check positions against shots.
Not unlike how you might play on a server with 33 updates a second server which CSS originally was, but you run 100 FPS in the actual game and can move around without it being stuttery because it client side prediction determines where you can go and will correct you if it is in error. You can shoot at any point between the 33 updates you send the server and when it updates it would send the player data between during those updates. The server does basically the same thing in reverse and it's just as true regardless which ticrate you choose.
>>317782959
Here's mine. I got into the weekend stress test along with a lot of people from /vg/, hence why it's grayed out right now.
If you didn't get into the beta or the stress-test instead you just see a splash page linking you to places to preorder, but I bet you already knew that right? Considering it's what you'd be seeing on your client.
>log into battlenet
lol
>>317782737
>>317783418
Tumblrtard in denial. Mei looks like that landwhale that had enough and has liposuction only on her muffintop and continued munching over 9000cal diet.
>>317783435
you have no clue how ticrate works
if someone is at point A, then when the server updates he's at point B, then someone shooting him while he's in between those points will never hit him
the only way around this is doing the hitreg client side
now that I think about it, this is coming out on console too and is obviously designed primarily for console, so the hitreg might actually be client side, in which case we'll have way more problems than the ticrate being 20, especially if there are no dedicated servers
>>317783283
>kamikaze poison and push snake
Shit hero.
>>317783675
look at her fan art, nigger. She's has a tiny waist with wide, birthing hips and thick thighs.
She's perfect breeding material but I guess she's not fit for low-test fuccbois like you.
>>317783435
You're the one incorrect here.
>>317780658
dere to tsun
>>317783435
>That is incorrect.
No, he is 100% correct on how tickrate works.
You're confusing it with engine based hit registration compensation measures, which is not present in every game, and is awful anyway.
>>317782865
Are you telling me you can't shoot through walls? Is that why I do every time a sniper shoots and I'm behind a wall? Kek m8.
>>317783675
Look at Mei's concept art where she isn't wearing a coast. Her waist is maybe twice the diameter of her fucking neck.
>>317764771
>Than they made Guild Wars 2,
>THAN
>>317783982
>reading comprehension, what is it?
>>317783819
Yes, that is what a massive landwhale who had a liposuction would look like. That neck/waist for the size of the arms/tits/thighs is not normal. It's poorly drawn concept art with absurd proportions.
Go ahead, google a real woman image that has these proportions. No ebonies.
>>317783602
>didn't get in anything
>still got to download the game
>still have the exact same splash-screen
Not him, but
>filename
Played the weekend beta, got killed around corners multiple times. Also saw myself not moving in a lot of kill cams even tho I had already moved on my screen
Whatever is causing that needs to be fixed
>>317780338
I'm pretty sure a netcode nightmare sucks regardless of tick rate.
>>317760636
>Is it acceptable for a modern FPS to have a tickrate of 20?
Sure, not every game is competitive like CS.
>>317784274
>Also saw myself not moving in a lot of kill cams
Straight up stationary on kill cams is lag, not low tickrate.
>>317784324
But Overwatch is going to have a competitive e-sports scene on par if not bigger than CS:GO.
>>317784365
Meant I had moved to point x and stood still for a second before moving again, except I never moved again because I apparently got killed
>>317774856
Of course. Why do you think people continue making it?
>>317784324
>Blizzard has explicitly said this is going to be a competitive game
Just so you know.
>>317784417
>on par if not bigger than CS:GO
OK, sure.
>>317784183
>It's poorly drawn concept art with absurd proportions.
It's almost as if this game is full of a bunch of stylized characters and not attempting realism.
>>317760769
I thought this game didn't even have a scoreboard so "mutual" kills doesn't even matter.
>mfw not gay but physically attracted to Hanzo
>>317783786
holy shit how can you be so stupid
tickrate has nothing to do with hit reg, only how the game is displayed to the client
the server will know that between ticks the player must have been between point a and b and therefore shots will be hit
>>317784458
>Meant I had moved to point x and stood still for a second before moving again
That would still be lag.
Low tickrate doesn't mean you're going to halt movement, it means your placement is going to be inaccurate to the time (often a step behind where you were from your perspective). Such as dying near a door on kill cam when you made it in the door on your screen.
>>317784473
Well that's actually pretty hilarious then. Maybe it's only going to be competitive as in the pros will play on the good servers and fuck the peasants.
>>317760636
Are you going to post this shit everyday?
Why don't you find a video game to enjoy?
>>317784563
>female Hanzo pinups when
>female Junkrat pinups when
>female Bastion pinups when
>female Mercy pinups when
>>317784213
That's recently change then, I still got in..
>>317784417
You have to be insane to believe this.
>You're just a hater
I loved the beta, I intend to buy this game.
It's just insane to seriously believe this is going to rank up with CSGO. It will have a scene about the size of modern Starcraft. Decent, it will have tournaments and streams, prom players, teams, decent prize pools. But it is never EVER going to touch CSGO level.
>>317784751
It's a false-flagger, don't bother.
>>317784487
Of course, it's back to this argument. Nevermind the fact that all the replies were to point out that a character is fat and is not wife-material.
>>317783602
you played 50 hours during a 72 hour stress test (24 of which was a weekday)?
What the fuck is with /v/ claiming it dead on arrival. I have several coworkers who have never heard of Blizzard outside of "WoW" and play those dudebrogames and they are hyped for Overwatch.
It's has Blizzard on the fucking title. Game is a guaranteed hit.
>>317784580
so hitreg has nothing to do with how the game is displayed to the client?
are you dense?
>>317784815
>Of course, it's back to this argument.
It's not an argument, it's a fact. Period, done.
If you try and argue against a game with Winston and Torbjorn as it not having unrealistic style, you're a fucking idiot.
>>317784563
>mfw not gay but actually gay
Get over your denial.
>forget about the game
>see this thread
>log into old bnet email out of curiosity
>I got into the stress test weekend
>just found out so I missed it
>beta FAQ says if you got in to one stress test it doesn't mean you're automatically in the next ones
>probably won't get in again bc my account was flagged and didn't log in to play or even install it
oh well
>>317784863
Wow, it's almost like I'm off for thanksgiving break with nothing better to do, dumb fuck.
>>317785049
>thanksgiving break
Underage, get out.
>>317785049
you've been off since last friday? and you spent every single waking moment playing overwatch?
>>317784585
You aren't understanding. I stood still on my side aswell, on purpose. Then after starting to move again, I got killed and on the kill cam I had not moved. Something like coming out of cover, taking a shot at someone with a sniper, going back to cover and then dying, except server side I never moved back to cover or sometimes even took a shot
>>317784915
Bravo. Thumbs up for a good segway of the conversation. Tumblrtard in denial.
>>317783298
>aim assist was enabled on PC during the beta because i'm fucking incompetent
yeah, blizzard is going to do a great job with this game
>Guys we don't want an FOV slider, it's not a fair feature to add when people might not udnerstand it (this they relented on though)
>Guys no dedicated servers, we want this to be a consistent experience, so peer2peer is best.
>Guys no server browser, we want this to be a quick "jump in and play" thing
>Guys 20 tick only, but our client has been hitreg compensation so don't worry
>Guys no mod tools even though FPS games really benefit from them
And then they announce it for consoles and this all makes sense now.
>>317784637
>get legendary in ranked play to play on 60 tick servers
>>317785105
>college's don't have thanksgiving break.
>>317785106
Close to it. I got really into it what can I say?
This is fucking /v/ and you really think someone playing 50 hours of a game over 3 days is absurd?
>>317785259
i think someone playing 50 hours of overwatch in 3 days is absurd
>>317784898
of course, because hit reg is server side, it doesnt matter if it didnt look like you hit someone if the server says you hit someone you did
thats why people complain about getting hit behind walls, your client showed you behind the wall but the server said you got hit
>>317785259
>college break is JUST Wednesday through Friday of THIS week
>Overwatch Stress was LAST week
>Either doesn't actually go to college or is an underaged or barely legal faggot
>>317785209
>muh dedicated servers
It's 2015, quit bitching about these ancient "features" that are no longer relevant in modern online play. Matchmaking works great.
>muh mods
A good game doesn't need mods.
>>317785259
in a actually deep game maybe...playing this casual trash that much is sad
>>317785420
2/10
>>317785209
>>Guys we don't want an FOV slider, it's not a fair feature to add when people might not udnerstand it (this they relented on though)
It's still not high enough FOV with the slider maxed
>>317785456
Yeah I agree, but originally they were planning on none at all, their excuse was, I SHIT YOU NOT, "It's unfair to users who don't know what FOV is, or to players who don't use the options menu".
Yep, we've hit the point where there is the idea of PC gamers who don't use option menus.
>>317760636
>20 tickrate
Oh WOW.
You can NEVER change that, the game is screwed.
Blizzard would have to rewrite the entire game from scratch to change the tickrate of their servers.
Absolutely every positive of the game is completely and utterly invalidated by the current raw tickrate.
This is going to become a HUGE issue to every player and when they're all calling for Blizzard to increase the tickrate, there's NO WAY they will possibly be able to do it.
They're going to have to sell the IP to Dreamworks at this point, cause that's the only future it has.
>>317785420
ITS 2 0 1 5 GUYS
2015
0
1
5
ITS THE CURRENT YEAR
2015
>>317785209
Its just like Diablo 3, this game was designed with controller in mind from the ground up
>>317785528
that is true though, I imagine even now not many people know about fov options
>>317785336
Started playing the second it opened, played a ton, slept a bit, [layed a ton, slept a bit, and then didn't quit until it closed, alt-tabbing for 4chan in-between rounds.
>>317785415
Are you fucking retarded? Do you really think all schools have the same schedule? Come the fuck on.
>>317785415
>getting Wednesday off
I didn't even get that. I got Thursday and Friday offI didn't even schedule a class for Fridays.
>>317785587
If you look at the word "Field of View" and say "Gee, I wonder what that means" You need to be dragged outside and shot in the fucking head.
>>317785415
mine is friday to friday
>>317785456
>>317785528
>>317785209
Ever stop to think that the FoV might be limited because certain characters strong points are based on them being able to get into the opponent's blind spot?Of course you didn't.
>>317785420
Jesus Christ, shut the fuck up.
>>317785809
>You ever think the point of the game is to simulate horse blinders and tunnel vision.
>>317785809
Lets just make it 30 FOV so those characters work better. Everyone getting sick from playing it is just a good way of making sure they don't play too much
Here's a link for anyone who wants to read about tickrate in source and other networking info. Not necessarily relevent for all games but source networking is decent.
https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Source_Multiplayer_Networking
>>317785809
Ok set the FOV down to like 40, makes those characters a stronger component of the team. Hell lets try 30. 25?
>>317765165
Blops 3 is multiplat FPS.
LotV is PC only RTS.
>>317763387
TF2
>>317785809
Name 3 situation in the game where a higher FoV would COMPLETELY deny a character's ability.
>>317786049
>released 8 years ago
>>317786183
>Past few years
Next time say how many years.
>>317768551
TF2 dies with Eyelander update.
>>317786295
>few usually implies 3
>almost triple it
hue
>>317763387
Killing Floor 2
Red Orchestra 2
Battlefield Hardline
Left 4 Dead 1 and 2
Final Fantasy ARR
>>317765264
You're the kind of person that says "Nerf D.VA" unironically aren't you..
>>317785667
what if you never look at the options
>>317786386
>few usually implies 3
>>317783675
Mei looks what tumblrwhales think they look like
>>317786386
>few implies 3
Retard.
Also FFXIV
>>317786336
TF2 died with the first weapon update.
They took a well tuned, finely crafted machine and tossed a wrench into the gears.
>>317783675
>I don't want to fuck timblrites
>I want to sexually fuck Mei
Checkmate.
>>317786516
Could just use several because he's not wrong. (Usually) does.
>>317780785
>1998
Try to play Starcraft on Dial-up
>>317763236
Two completely different style of game.
>implying i dont die behind walls in TF2 and CS all the fucking time
>>317786691
>>317763387
WoW
>>317786863
>it's totally not my shitty dial-up connection
Third worlder spotted.
>>317786102
1) Tracer blinking to the side of a character so they cannot tell which direction they went.
2) Hiding the approach angle of Junkrat's wheels so they aren't eliminated.
3) Pharah using her ultimate from a blind spot, one of the only ways to stay alive during it.
Having an extreme FoV makes these things less powerful.
There are more which I could list if you'd like, but you only asked for three.
I'm not saying that the FoV should remain as it is, or unchangeable, but it should absolutely be limited so you cannot see characters approaching you from unreasonable angles.
In real life you may have a wide field of vision, but the actual visual center where you can perceive high-fidelity information is much more narrow.
ITT: Blizzfags proving once again to be autistic faggots
>>317786671
>sexually fuck
>>317787121
None of those are completely denied, people would just have to use those skills more properly or can be solved with pretty simple tweaks.
>>317787481
>Unique IP count doesn't increase
So how many times have you sickepic burned them boogieman blizzdrones this thread?
>>317787121
How come the scout and spy have no problems with a high FoV in TF2? Two classes designed around flanking, shouldn't they struggle?
Maybe you should just admit you're hyped for a console port.
>>317785809
>>317787121
>Blizzard making advantages and weaknesses based on fucking FOV
Holy fuck.
>>317786671
>sexually fuck Mei
As opposed to asexually fucking Mei?
>>317761013
>having accurate hit detection on a (supposedly) up and coming FPS is second to "artistic choice"
>where bullets are crossing the terrain hundreds of in game feet per second
>To boot, your founders of the Genre, Quake and UT, had 20+ ticks on their servers, so this game is literally no better than the very first online FPS'
Only Blizzard could be this daffy and expect no one to call them out on it
>>317787580
I posted one time in this thread.
You faggots are grasping for straws to justify your battle against the evil /v/
>>317787761
>artistic choice
That doesn't even make sense. Tickrate is an internal server thing, it doesn't visually change ANYTHING about a game. The players still visually move smoothly on your screen regardless of tickrate
>>317787121
>Lower FOW makes flanking that much easier.
>Retards can finally get kills as long as they can just get behind people
Literally there just to bait in casuals.
>One of the developers straight up admitted that they used the console platform as a base for how to handle the servers
Well fuck, the first dev to straight up admit that consoles fucked a game.
>>317787860
Welcome to Blizzard Logic, where sense is second to laziness, and no one with blue letters knows what the hell they're talking about
>>317778196
>present an example
>example
>THAT DOESNT COUNT
fuck off fag
>>317778196
>them moving goalposts
Must like european peasantball, there's no pleasing you and all you can do is feign injury when you don't get your way
>>317769467
whats ur alias?
im pretty big in the tf2 commnity
I'll probably still buy it. It's just too fun to play, even thought I've felt the effects of 20 tickrate on myself.
>play as Tracer
>Rein shoots a shockwave at me
>blink to the side
>die
Thought the hitbox on the shockwave was just too fucking wide, compared to its visual representation, but nope. On killcam it showed that I didn't blink. It just wasn't registered by the server.
>>317787121
Having a cap is fine. Having the cap at what it is right now is not fine.
It should probably cap out at 100
>Hey everyone we want this to be a top tier esport FPS. So we're going to put it on consoles and give is 1/6th the tickrate it needs to be on that level
What the fuck were they thinking?
>>317787860
If you consider the game as art, it makes sense. Art isn't only visualNot saying they aren't completely retarded with the small tickrate
are you sure you guys arent misunderstanding what 20 "tickrate" means?
it COULD be they just mixed-up world updates/snapshot broadcasts with tickrate
IIRC a 128 tickrate in source only means something like 33-34 world updates per second and 19-20 snapshot broadcasts per second
>>317789015
>we want this to be a top tier esport FPS
I've never actually heard this said by Blizz themselves. I only read this on /v/. Is this even true?
Because I've got an impression that with HotS and OW Blizzard are aiming for a fun time sink kind of games.
>>317789327
http://www.pcgamer.com/overwatch-game-interview-jeff-kaplan/
They also just grabbed NFL and ESPN guys to start their own eSports Division for their games.
>>317789280
The 20 tickrate buzzword comes from a reddit user, who tracked the packets OW was sending to the server, which came at 20 ms intervals. Which means it's running at 50 tickrate. Idiots are just parroting what they've heard on /v/.
People here have unlearned critical thinking.
>>317789526
>I do think it's dangerous to be overly committed to esport too early in the lifespan of the game.
>when we announced the game we focused on letting everyone know that approachability was first and foremost what we cared about, we wanted to make a game that was very welcoming to as many people as possible and not sacrifice that approachability by forcing a competitive esport environment on the game as a whole.
>So we would rather turn an eye toward that and embrace it and help guide it in the right way, so it becomes a healthy esport. But honestly right now, the approachability comes first.
>>317789824
Yeah that's what I was thinking. I'm not versed in server technology but when I saw the picture saying 20ms, I thought "wouldn't that be 50 updates a second?" but I foolishly just listened to /v/
Ob boy, here we go.
>>317787661
What's wrong with that?
Your silly souls face fails to properly communicate your argument.
>>317787897
On the flip side, high-FOV could be considered casual bait.
>Higher FOV makes actual awareness less important
>Retards will finally survive without actually checking their blind spots
>>317787539
Being 100% denied was your goalpost, not my original statement. I said that certain tactics are powerful because they can avoid visual detection if used right.
But wait, no, they can be 100% denied.
-A person would be able to see a Tracer move to their side and snap to them immediately where they otherwise would have to guess.
-Junkrat's wheel would be seen where it would otherwise not be possible and detonated early, doing nothing.
-A Pharah in what should be a blind spot is seen activating their ability immediately and shot out of the sky getting no kills.
>>317787590
Game's not TF2 is all I should need to say.
Spy can become invisible and otherwise deceive the enemy.
Scout has high base movement speed and maneuverability.
A character like tracer is based on visual misdirection, not raw speed or hard-coded invisibility.
>>317787860
This is some basic reading comprehension failure.
They are saying that simultaneous hits in the same tick (no matter what the tickrate is) is their design choice, not that 20-tick specifically is an artistic choice.
I'm not flinging mud or anything here, but a lot of these arguments seem to come from people who haven't played a second of the game and are just complaining for the sake of it.
>>317790715
>a lot of these arguments seem to come from people who haven't played a second of the game and are just complaining for the sake of it.
are you perhaps new to /v/?
What really gets me here is that it's not just competitive play that's affected here. Everyone will suffer from 20 tick because this game features twitchy, fast paced classes like Tracer and Genji who need to land their hit, and get the fuck out. Missing due to shit low tick is not an option on ANY level, casual or pro.
