Is it acceptable for a modern FPS to have a tickrate of 20?
Keep in mind both Dota 2 and League of Legends both use 30 tickrate and those are mobas.
Do you think it's acceptable to use 1998 tier servers in 2015?
Tickrates of various games, WORST to BEST.
20 tickrate games. aka shit, 1998 tier servers, not for FPS
Overwatch
30 tickrate games. 30 tickrate is just acceptable because not precise game
League of Legends
Dota 2
60-128 tickrate games - all good FPS games
BF4
CSGO
TF2
what is this new tickrate meme
Is having intentionally laggy and shitty hit registration an ARTISTIC choice?
for shitters who don't know interp/tickrate/etc
>>317760713
some fear-mongering shit that reddit started
Nothing Blizzard does is acceptable. But they will get away with it because they are Blizzard.
I lost complete interest in Overwatch when they announced the $40 price tag. Fuck Blizzard, this game isn't worth the sweat off my ass.
who do you think will get into heroes of the storm?
>>317760713
>>317760713
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EwaW2iz4iA
Tickrate is the refresh rate of the server
In addition Overwatch adds up all damage done in the tick even if you die.
What this means:
Kill someone at 0.00s on the server time
he continues firing until 0.05s on the server time
his shot at 0.04s kills you on the server time
the server counts this as both of you dying in overwatch
This means in sniper battles, you have to fire 0.05s ahead of the enemy to kill him and survive if you both aim correctly.
The average reaction time is 0.20 or so for FPS.
Basically this adds an extreme randomness.
Kill an enemy right at the end of a tick, he doesn't damage you in return.
Kill an enemy right at the beginning of a tick, he damages you for the next 0.05s. POssibly even killing you
Completely based on chance.
http://eu.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/16824853035
Official blizz thread on the topic
Also a side effect is that movement and visuals become very jerky.
>walk behind cover
>realize blizz too cheap to do anything over 1998 quality servers
>die behind cover because 56k modem tier servers
>>317761085
The "First person to send a shot to the server gets the first hit" claim is fucking lies. It's demonstrably proven that its a factor outside of ping and is down to, from the players perspective, RNG.
Also, the peaking shit is fucking terrible. This was at 30 ping.
CSGO can fuck off, and so can this tick rate meme.
There are so many factors to networking outside of the tick that affect your games performance playing games on-line, nobody has a perfect situation, and tick doesn't solve everything.
>>317761581
that's at 60+ tickrate, and probably a laggy player
just wait for 20 tickrate bullshit
Also even moba have better servers
Blizzard is so fucking stupid. WHAT FUCKING ARTISTIC MERIT DOES HAVING 20 TICKS HAVE? Just say it's console limitations you stupid cowardly fucks.
>>317761741
Go fuck yourself. Tick rate doesn't fix everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQmrajx7Xrs
>>317761760
>very high tickrate
>artistic
>lower server quality than League of legends
The only reason they do this is to save money as well. Not even bargain bin moba trash clones have this low of a tickrate.
>>317761884
>moving
>shots dont hit
>years old CS:GO
>>317761894
God damn how can they keep getting away with this horseshit? I mean, this is unethical.
>>317762117
>Implying anything has changed
All they changed where the hitboxes and animations to fix fringe cases, the netcode is EXACTLY the same.
>>317761013
I still don't get it.
>>317762117
THUS PROVING TICK MEANS FUCK ALL WHEN THERE'S MUCH MORE GOING ON FOR ONLINE GAMES DUMB FUCK
>>317761013
do you have any idea just how much power you would need and just how expensive it would be to do that?
>>317761581
Tick rate doesn't solve everything, you're right, but a shitty tick rate does ruin everything.
>>317761741
>just wait for 20 tickrate bullshit
Well I did wait and there were no probelms over the weekend when I played.
Ping isn't an issue considering the game is region locked so BRs and russians can't play with you.
honestly there isn't much point to making threads criticizing and bitching about overwatch.
it will be dead on arrival, like heroes of the storm before it.
>>317762589
For TF2 or CS:GO you can do it with just about any mid-tier desktop PC built in the last 3-4 years
When CS:S made the jump to orange box physics the max tickrate was dropped from 100 to 66. That killed CS:S.
Anything below 100 tickrate is fucking garbage.
>>317762709
They're good for reminding Blizzardfags that they are on the absolute bottom of the food chain
>>317760838
is a good example
A 20 tickrate game will never be taken seriously for any sort of competitive thing. Even 60 for counterstrike pushes that limit. I think that is what separates a game from being casual to competitive.
>>317762589
About $300 worth of hardware? It's a server, you don't even need a GPU
>>317762589
128 tick servers are not hard to host at all...
I can't wait until Overwatch becomes huge and you shit-posters all look like retards.
I know this post is going to get some snarky replies, but just wait.
I love how now devs are going to say stuff like, "the human brain can only see 20 tickrate" and how "higher tick rate plays the same"
>>317763047
>I can't wait until Battlefront becomes huge and you shit-posters all look like retards
>peak playerbase has already dropped to current BF4 levels
Why don't they just let people have thier own servers, then you can have whatever tickrate you want.
>>317763047
Its an arena shooter on console. Shits gunna flop super hard
>>317763047
A big success, just like Heroes of the Storm!
>>317763182
Because then they can't milk you for every cent you're worth
>>317763236
>implying views on twitch calculate success
>>317763236
Here's a crazy idea, people are playing the game and not watching streams.
>>317763326
Name a multiplayer game from the past few years with low twitch viewership that has been wildly successful
>>317762589
Why does this myth persist?
>>317763182
Modern Blizzard wants every online interaction to go through BNet.
>>317763409
Because people defending blizzard are idiots who have no idea what they're talking about
>>317763326
>>317763378
as much as i think twitch.tv is a cesspit worse than 4chan and reddit combined, you're dumb as fuck to think there isn't a correlation between twitch viewership and a game's ability to make revenue
Dude Blizzard has got me by the cock with Mei. She is best waifu.
>>317763153
>This is somehow related at all to what I said
>>317763219
It's not an "arena shooter" thanks for making it clear you haven't played it
>>317763236
>assumptions
>>317760636
because its a blizzard casual babby game. Makes it easier for shit players to get hits thus more shit players will buy the game.
>>317763409
Stupid people will believe whatever companies tell them. It's why they can still get away with charging an expensive subscription fee for MMORPGs.
>>317760636
>>317760713
It's a load of complete fucking nonsense, because /v/ can't handle the fact that Overwatch will be wildly successful, like literally every other Blizzard game.
Get the fuck over it, Overwatch is the future of FPS games and will be the next big e-sport.
>>317763658
>Overwatch will be wildly successful, like literally every other Blizzard game.
Like Starcraft 2?
Fuck Blizzard. Haven't made a good game in a decade.
Who the fuck keeps giving these retards money? Activision? I assume the merger is the only reason they are even around at this point.
>>317763723
Sold tens of millions of copies and laid the foundation for modern e-sports. Was literally the only game worth a shit for quite a few years.
>>317763750
Someone post the merger and acquisition infographic that explains the answer to this question (which is that good blizzard is no longer a part of blizzard/activision)
>>317763723
You're implying it's not?
>>317763551
Views are good as free publicity, but any company would choose people playing their game (money to them) over more views (money to Twich).
It's specially jarring on an example like HOTS, becuase it's fun to play but really boring to watch.
>>317763658
>SC2
>D3
>HotS
>WoW post WotLK
>Successful
Fucking please. The Activision merger onward has been a downward spiral, I can't imagine they are even making money off anything that isn't Hearthstone at this point. Who fucking knows how long that shit is going to last, people are already getting sick of that RNG P2W bullshit.
>>317763836
I don't think I'd call it WILDLY successful. It wasn't a failure but compared to Broodwar is kind of is. The esports scene for it is almost completely dead compared to other games.
>>317763182
Modern Blizzard doesn't believe in allowing the fans to play their games how they want to play them.
Overwatch has zero (0) mod support and no private dedicated servers, the entire game is fucked and is the biggest disappoint for me personally this year. Blizzard is beyond saving at this point.
>>317763820
>>317763658
>will be wildly successful, like literally every other Blizzard game.
>diablo 3
>starcraft 2
>heroes of the storm
>current state of WoW subscriptions
if you're going by raw purchasing sales (hots obviously excluded) you may have an argument. if you're going by playerbase comparative to other major PC games, you're dead wrong and i think i took the bait.
>>317763818
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>317763658
>and will be the next big e-sport.
-Starcraft 2 is dying as an e-sport in Korea, with Brood War making a big comeback over the past few years.
-Heroes of the Storm is stillborn as an e-sport.
-Blizzard practically gave up on trying to force WoW PVP as a competitive e-sport
The only recent game of theirs that has any sort of a future as one is Hearthstone, and who knows how long that'll last. That's not a very solid track record for post-Activision Blizzard.
>>317760636
>Is it acceptable for a modern FPS to have a tickrate of 20?
It's not a point in its favor for sure but there are shitload other factors to take into consideration.
It's like judging a processor based entirely on its clock.
>>317763035
Especially with a 12 man player count
These threads are classic because it's nothing but shit-posting from people who haven't even played it and yet keep spouting shit by claiming it's casual or a TF2 clone.
Maybe you'll get in the next beta invite wave? Have fun acting retarded about a game you literally haven't touched and have no opportunity to touch unless invited to.
Nearly everyone who's played it really liked it, myself included.
See you on launch day. ;^)
>>317762680
>there were no probelms over the weekend when I played.
>peak behind cover
>die from a bullet that shot where I was
It's like playing against high interp snipers in TF2
>>317763881
Every single game of that list has made money.
>>317763917
Do you have any idea of how much SC2 has sold?
>>317763881
>SC2
Very successful, sold tons of copies.
>D3
Literally one of the best selling games of ALL TIME, look it up.
>HotS
Brand new game that is getting bigger and bigger
>WoW
#1 MMO in the world even today
>I don't like it therefore it wasn't successful
Kill yourself retard.
>>317764108
>>317764127
>Making money means it's a success
HERP DERP. Fallout 4 is a huge success too I guess. Thanks for setting me straight jews! DURR.
>>317763984
>if you're going by playerbase comparative to other major PC games
What? F2P MOBAs full of pñlayers who barely spend shit or nothing at all?
Blizzard fans may be a lot of things, but they do spend money.
>>317763917
So Blizzard at it's worst is only really successful versus other companies and not wildly succuesful?
Overwatch could literally sell zero copies and it wouldn't fucking matter do to WoW and Hearthstone profits.
Blizzard are fucking scumbags.
https://torrentfreak.com/blizzard-stole-our-source-code-bot-maker-says-151119/
>>317760928
They already announced that Tracer will be in HotS and will be recieved via deluxe edition purchase
>>317764227
>Making money means it's a success
Yes? Is this bait?
>>317764227
Sorry to break it to you, but videogame COMPANIES make vidya to make money.
So yes, making a lot of money is literally a success.
>>317761581
that's usually what happens when you play against a player with high ping, they kill you behind cover
>>317764250
they spend money, but there just aren't enough of them that are heavily invested in titles like hots or d3
>>317764227
Please tell me this is a troll. No one can be this stupid.
There's some advanced shitposting going on in this thread. That or there's a couple shills.What am I saying? Of course there are shills.
Blizzard managed to run one of the most successful multiplayers in the world straight into the ground and from that experience alone I really wouldn't be surprised if the stress test was /exactly/ what I'll see from Overwatch on release, this tick shit included.
>>317762117
even pros move while shooting quite often now, with rifles too
Its Blizzard.
The drones don't care if they're eating shit as long as its from their ass.
>>317764420
They already paid the 60 bucks, do you think Blizzard gives a shit if they are invested?
Because it's coming out on consoles and they have to design the game around hilariously shitty console P2P connections.
Keep in mind, they were trying to keep all platforms unified to pander to retards, they were originally denying having adjustable FOV because it was "unfair to people who don't know what it means or don't use the options menu"
Yes, PC gamers who don't use the options menu.
>>317760636
Jesus you talk about shitty server programming. Who uses a forward euler update system for hit detection when you could use sweeps with time markers? The only reason is in case of packet loss in which case no bullets are even fired.
You guys say 1998 tier servers, when literally that's how they are all programmed.
>>317764354
>>317764362
>>317764457
Better buy some Blizzard stock if you care so fucking much about money. Kikes.
The games being fucking dead and despised by the entire gaming community is what makes it a failure you dumbfucks. Games can't even make the top of the Twitch views. It's fucking pathetic.
>>317760890
Cry some more Sergei. There is no such thing as a good f2p game and no game is improved by it.
>>317763975
I really hate this graph.
It's just people desperately trying to redefine who is to blame for shittiness because they can't accept the reality that people can make both good and bad shit.
For example:
ArenaNet made Guild Wars, which was good. Than they made Guild Wars 2, which is complete and utter fucking SHIT.
>inb4 neoArenaNet is different people!
Because these fags say that kind of shit to excuse anything.
Still, the created of this probably knows that Guild Wars 2 is fucked because he used words like "Crowning Jewel" (Yeah, you ain't some fanboy dipshit.) to describe Eye of the North, yet never updated this thing after the release of GW2. He probably offed himself actually.
WoW is shit too.
>>317764707
>>317764759
Dota 2 retard, hello? Path of Exile? You know, the game that is what D3 should have been.
Also TF2, the game Overblown is trying to compete with. The game that has a higher fucking tickrate and was released in 2007.
>>317763975
>Starcraft ripping off Warhammer 40k
>Not aliens and predator
>Warhammer 40k not ripping off Starship Troopers and Robocop.
>>317764127
>SC2
LotV came out, and it still never surpasses any other e-sport game on twitch.
>More people playing Diablo 2 on Twitch currently than Diablo 3
Yeah sorry bud. The only reason Diablo 3 sold as well as it did because it was the sequel to Diablo 2. Diablo 3 is renowned not for being the best selling game of all time, but the most disappointing game of all time.
Also saying HotS is getting bigger and bigger but still has less viewers than diablo 2 currently.
Currently the only reason WoW is #1 MMO in the world is because people don't want to abandon their characters. Ever since the success of WoW, MMO's have become absolute garbage and all they care about is being the next wow killer and cashing in. Hell even if they arent trying to be a wow killer all they care about is cashing in (Archeage).
>>317764707
>dead
>latest expansion of SC2 still sold one million in the first 24 hours (without counting preorders)
Do we even know what the tickrates are for other games? I know BF4 only got 60 tick servers recently, which means prior to that and in past games it was probably comparable to overwatch.
I wouldn't be suprised if most games have tick rates that low.
>Legacy of the Void, the least advertised, least hyped starcraft XPAC that launched the same day as Fallout 4 and within a week of Star Wars: Battlefront sold literally a million copies in the first 24 hours
>People think Overwatch will flop
/v/ is just cute sometimes
>>317764953
>>317763975
Also
>ripping warhammer fantasy
>not Gamesworkshop backing out on blizzard and then blizzard just releasing the game on a different working title.
Whoever made this image had an axe to grind and made up arbitrary bullshit
>>317764875
TF2 went to shit (and died) precisely because of going F2P.
>>317762482
That is a visual representation to explain what tick rate means to someone who doesn't understand or isn't very technical.
As far as the server is concerned, when that player moves down that path, those little graphics of him are the places where the server updates his location as he goes. So basically to the servers logic, he is (very quickly) teleporting between those locations, so it's not possible to shoot him in those places in between, because the tick rate is so low that it never registers him being there, it sees him at place A, then place, C. Not space B in the middle.
With the 128 tick, it updates his location so often, that there aren't little break areas in his movement where he can't be hit.
It's hard to put to words, hopefully you understand what I mean.
>>317764875
>PoE, a completely dead game that left the devs in crippling debt
>better than D3 which sold 30 million copies
l m a o
>>317765014
>one million
LMAO. Black Ops 3 sold five times that.
>>317764956
>twich
>views
>views
>more views
Yawn. Call me when you bring some numbers which mean a shit.
Like sales or players.
>>317765106
TF2 is still a fun game with better balance and more depth than Overflop.
>>317765149
>PoE, a completely dead game that left the devs in crippling debt
Post source.
>>317764707
Sure, looks good to me.
>>317765165
And?
>>317763881
SC2 just had an expansion sell 1 million copies inm 24 hours despite being PC exclusive and launching on the same day as Fallout 4
Diablo 3 has sold 30 million copies, it's the 10th best selling game ever.
WoW still has more players 11 years after launch than the rest of the top 5 MMOs combined.
>>317765106
Being the fourth most played game on Steam sure is dead.
>>317765165
And that was made by the same company.
>>317765106
It's still pretty great if you find the right servers.
>died
Still as popular as ever.
>>317765264
>TF2 is still a fun game
No it isn't, and I fucking miss it, but it went to shit.
>tickrate
thank for based blizzard for creating a new buzzword
>>317765283
It was one of the better performing stocks this year, even through the August drop
>>317765283
It looks like Icarus flying too close to the sun, struggling to stay in the air but is inevitably going to fall.
>>317764759
Dota 2?
Even LoL is pretty decent considering the devs update it more frequently and more sweepingly than any other F2P game on the market today.
>>317765450
>tick
>new word
lol
>>317765445
>Still as popular as ever.
Nope. Cmpare the numbers with those of 5 years ago.
I'm gonna wait to play the game before I make a judgement call, still hoping for a beta invite sometime in the future.
>>317765264
>better balance
MASSIVE LOL
>and more depth
Wow, an 8 year old game that's done nothing but iterate over nearly decade has more depth than the beta version of a game? Really? Beta Overwatch has more depth than Vanilla TF2.
I say that as someone who loves TF2 with a few thousand hours in game.
>>317765548
http://steamcharts.com/app/440#All
>>317765450
>Blizzard
Battlefield 4 is the game that made "netcode" and "tickrate" common parlance for gaming normies.
>>317765264
>better balance
it's the same kind of balance, everything shits on everything except a few things. TF2 got more broke over the years though, only game that doesn't like my new internet connection too.
>>317765485
>Anti-Blizzdrones
That's fucking cute, anon, holy shit.
>BLOPS 3 just launched and sold really well
>Skylanders continues to sell well
>Madden will never not sell well
>Skylanders cartoon about to launch
>>317765264
I was in TF2 since the beta. It took years for something resembling balance, and it went to shit with all too many weapons added.
>>317765485
>/v/ in charge of reading the stock market
>BUSINESS SUCCESS IS DETERMINED BY MY FEELINGS ALONE
>>317765703
What are you trying to prove? It's down to launch numbers.
>Raise legitimate concern about game balance due to poor online programming
>Blizzardshills think this is commonplace and actively defend it
Jesus christ. I though Valvefags were bad, at least all they defend are stupid hats not something that actually destroys the gameplay.
>>317765703
>all time peak was in 2012
>Still as popular as ever
Kek.
>>317765889
>It's down to launch numbers.
From?
>>317765917
>Blizzardshills think this is commonplace
It IS commonplace, the amount of games that have tickrates beyond 30, or god forbid offer 64+ are not even a fraction of a fraction of modern releases.
>>317765917
Different games handle things differently, not every game handles it's online lag and lag compensation like source does
You haven't played it
>>317765149
No they aren't you fucking retard.
>>317765264
I like TF2, but I hesitate to say that it's extremely balanced. Pyro has been constantly shit on by Valve and there's a lot of disparity between some weapon unlocks. I also feel heavy has a bit harder time dealing with competent players with his movement.
>>317766005
what? look at the start and end of the all-time graph.
At launch it had roughly 62,000 players and now it's back down to 62,000 players.
programmer here
they're simply using a tickrate of 20 because they thought "eh, that's still acceptable" and because it means they can host the same amount of players with 1/3 the servers
>>317766158
Anon, the graph only shows 2012 to 2015
TF2 launched in 2007
That fact that it's still the fourth most played game on Steam says a lot
>>317765214
LOL. Are you that fucking dumb that you don't realize a game that has no viewers, wont survive as an e-sport? Also I like how you completely ignore a great statistic in determining a games longevity and popularity because its "twitch"
>>317763975
They were working together with Gamesworkshop for a W40K game but GW backed out and Blizzard decided to release it anyway under Starcraft.
And GW ripped off the orc concept from Tolkien anyway so what gives the butthurt anon?
>>317766324
>e-sports
Again, who gives a shit.
>>317765984
August 2012 (the peak) was right around the time it went F2P.
I thought you could get away with different tickrates depending on the game engine?
I remember people making this argument a lot comparing Battlefield and CS a while ago, what's the dealio?
Redpill me on tickrate.
>>317766164
>they thought "eh, that's still acceptable"
Because it is acceptable. I've played Overwatch and it plays fucking great, /v/ is wrong like always.
Can't wait to buy the collector's edition on day 1. :^)
>>317766509
Which means F2P killed it and all went downhill since then.
>>317763975
Warcraft 2 and 3 and starcraft were way better than the diablo games faggit.
>>317760636
I fucking noticed while playing you're always .5 seconds behind where you actually are.
It's so fucking annoying
>>317765056
ever since undertale /v/ has been constantly BTFO
>>317766767
Community wise I felt the game was going downhill well before F2P.
>>317766904
Mannconomy (and jews) was introduced some months before F2P.
What does quake 3 use? Is that what /rate changes?
>>317766014
Most games don't need a tickrate beyond 30 because they arent fast paced shooters. It should not be commonplace for games like this. Dota 2 has issues with 30 tickrate although its rare and usually favors on the side of doing the correct thing anyways. Overwatch should be 64+ easily.
>>317762517
>the foundation of the house doesnt mean anything when your support beams and construction materials are shit aswell
no shit sherlock, but you should always start with a strong foundation.
I want to grab D.Va from behind and furiously pound her gook pussy while holding on to those black hip grips on her suit.
>>317766484
People who enjoy the game / watching the game, sponsors, the game creator, people who are employed due to e-sports, the pro players, etc..
Valve probably made more money with dota 2 alone this year than Blizzard made.
>>317767542
Well, I was talking to a Valvedrone, that explains everything.
>>317765106
Nope, it was to bolster user numbers. TF2 died with the class updates, with the first being the Gold Rush Update.
>>317763658
only true post in the thread, blizzard never made a bad game
>>317766559
It's fun but don't be a cocksucking shill. The tickrate mixed with latency to the server is terrible. If I'm behind a wall and then Roadhog for example hooks me through the wall because the server updates too slow. That's a huge fucking problem.
>commercial success is the same as critical success
god i want to play overwatch so bad, im happy its not using the F2P model
>>317763975
>ripping-off warhammer fantasy
stopped reading there
So as someone who is super hype for Overwatch but wants something to play while they wait.
Is TF2 still worth playing? I played it back in the orange box days but from what I see now its a cluster fuck of items, hats and I feel like I'd have no idea whats going on.
Opinions?
>>317766513
Battlefield has not gotten away with using a lower tickrate due to it's engine. BC2, BF3, and BF4 all had major network issues that ended up getting fixed a year or so after release. BF4's shitty tickrate was pretty well known and hated. I don't know if tickrate is to blame for it, but BC2 had huge issues with false-positive hit markers.
>>317768428
>Get into beta
>Expect garbage
>Love it
>Weekend ends
>Realise my invite wasn't permanent, only weekend
>Can't play anymore
>Really want to
Feels bad man
>>317765139
Yep, I understand now, so what's an acceptable tick rate for an fps?
>>317768551
dont do it, its like going back to an old friend just to see it all fucked up, remember the good times
>>317768102
That isn't tickrate, that is Roadhogs hook having a slight delay between hitting a target and pulling the target back, mixed with your hitbox being bigger than you can see, and normal lag issues.
Even with higher tickrate, this is something that would happen.
>>317768727
64+, ideally 128.
>>317760636
>60 tick rate
>BF4
pick 1/6th
>>317763994
???
>>317767003
Even before then, I can't pinpoint the exact time, i just remember before most of the class unlocks thinking how shitty most of the servers and players were, it was hard to have a decent game of gravelpit.
>>317768816
BF4 has 60 and 120 tick servers now.
>>317761884
that video is garbage
I never have problems like that, also he's moving and shooting in most of the clips
>>317768739
Is it really that bad now? Did the items and crafting really change it that much?
I just want some nice teambased FPS with fun classes.
>>317768727
Never lower than 64.
128 is also great, but some engines out there just can't fucking handle it on the server side (BF4 for example, those servers crash CONSTANTLY when the server is set to 120 tick)
>>317768974
I thought they just implemented some sort of clientside network smoothing effect that only works in a radius around your player
>>317765274
>He doesn't know about how the items being sold by real money shops are being supplied by the devs for a cut
LMAO
M
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>>317760636
>all that d.va sfm porn just waiting to be made
>>317769161
No, they added tick rate options. Like a year ago.
>>317769076
It's really hard to fins decent games and some of the weapons can be a bit of a pain in the ass to deal with, ones that stick out in my mind, wrangler, rescue ranger, and loose cannon.
>>317768763
Same shit happens with Tracer. You hit blink and port away somewhere. Killcam shows you died. The blink never goes off. It's a case of the tickrate being too low and exacerbating the latency. You're right it would still happen with a higher tickrate but wich much lower frequency.
>>317769168
POST. A. SOURCE.
>>317768428
>>317768714
The shilling intensifies.
>>317769290
>Same shit happens with Tracer. You hit blink and port away somewhere. Killcam shows you died. The blink never goes off.
This didn't happen to me a single time all weekend.
What did happen was my pressing my Q grenade and dying a split second later before it throws it.
>>317763658
>Overwatch is the future of FPS games and will be the next big e-sport
no, it won't, sorry bro
I have a lot of tf2 invite players as friends on steam, they all got into the beta and almost all of them have told me they're under contract to stream it a certain amount of time each week, but after release the contract is up and none of them will be making the switch to it, it has the strategic depth of a puddle of water and an astoundingly low skill ceiling
I just told platinum literally 2 minutes ago about 20 tic servers and he said "yeah we know, this game isn't going anywhere as an e-sport"
>>317769262
coolio
>>317769389
>Why can't 4chan be a mono-opinion hugbox echochamber where everyone agrees with me
Maybe try Neogaf.
>>317769438
>>317769290
This happened to me no less than 7 times this weekend, I'd teleport and start moving again then die. Killcam showed me getting shot at my teleport starting point and the tele never going off.
It's painful because I was playing properly and timing my teleports to dodge widowmaker shots but for whatever reason I still died to the netcode.
>ITT: Blizzdrones try to defend yet even more bullshit
>>317763658
>Overwatch is the future of FPS games and will be the next big e-sport.
my friend literally thinks this
>>317767897
You should work on your argument skills, they are fucking pathetic. All you do is "oh those stats are shit" "oh you're a valvedrone" "all that matters is sales"
Just a tip, im not a valvedrone, it was just an example. Riot probably makes more than Blizzard as well. When Sports / E-Sports are done correct, the ones in charge make a fuck ton of money.
It's funny how blizzard games have constantly been degrading in quality to pander to the lowest common denominator to sell more copies. You kind of proved my point that you belong there.
>>317769534
Or maybe, just maybe, you simply just have shit taste if you think this is an example of a good game. You know there are plenty of alternatives to this garbage, right? That or you're totally a Blizzdrone, or simply a shill.
>>317770323
Shill, drone, shit taste, buzzword bonanza.
No, really just try neogaf. You can't handle anyone else liking things you don't and if they do they are an agent of the boogieman enemy of the month coming to infiltrate your hugbox.
Neogaf is a community tailor made for your need to have people spout your opinions back at you for self satisfaction. You might feel more relaxed there.
>>317770323
Name some.
>>317770323
Wow, have you actually played it?
>>317770323
>Look mommy I'm the hivemind, I fit in here :)
>>317760636
>BF4
>Using above 60 tickrate
Retards seriously need to stop saying this. Just because the option is there doesn't mean it's being used. Open up battlelog, and see how many 144 servers are actually populated compared to 30, 35 and 60.
>>317770769
>Just because the option is there doesn't mean it's being used.
It's used a ton, all my servers in my favourites use it. Learn to filter you dumb fuck.
>>317769389
>>317770323
I've always found it to be really interesting that I constantly see reddit and neogaf called "hugboxes" on this board, yet this is the bog standard response to absolutely anyone who doesn't conform to the /v/ opinion on something.
It's incredible irony.
>>317765264
>tfw Valve started catering to "friendly" faggots with cross-team highfives and dance taunts
>>317761581
If BF4 can do 60 tick now then at the very least they can do that. There's no way there's more going on in an Overwatch match than a 64 player game with vehicles and destructible environments.
>>317766335
i think you're a little confused. im pretty sure they were working on a vanilla war hammer game that turned into the original warcraft.
>>317768958
Starcraft 2 did not lay the foundation down for modern e-sports. They did may 5-10% at best with Starcraft being another maybe 10-15% although that was entirely all South Korea / KeSpa. 75% or more was LoL / Dota 2 (and Dota2 TV) / Twitch (previously part of justin.tv) / and other streaming sites for other countries like Douyu.
>>317771217
Myth that stands on absolutely 0 evidence.
>>317769467
sounds like bullshit seeing as i know the invite players too.
platinum isn't even good; nice try though.
>>317766046
What are you saying? He hasn't played Overwatch?
Because I constantly kept dying as Tracer AFTER blinking away, and on the kill-cam it showed me somewhere else.
You can't even corner fire rockets onto a sentry because it will shoot you EVERY time.
>>317760636
this doesn't change the fact that the game has the bestw a i fusright now.
>>317765056
yea what's up with that shit? I used to be hardcore korea brood war starcraft guy and I didnt even know Legacy of the void released until the day of.
>>317765264
are you one of those fags that thinks bastion is OP?
>>317769389
its actually surprisingly fun. im not even a shill.
>>317763658
>Overwatch is the future of FPS games and will be the next big e-sport.
Woah woah slow the fuck down. I loved the game this weekend and plan on buying it, but that is one fucking insane statement.
>>317769467
>I have a lot of tf2 invite players as friends on steam, they all got into the beta and almost all of them have told me they're under contract to stream it a certain amount of time each week, but after release the contract is up
Standard /v/ bullshit.
>>317770323
>there are plenty of alternatives
Like? Genuinely interested, only know of TF2 and Gotham City Imposters.
I care a lot less about the tickrate than I do the fact that it costs fucking $40, but has the gall to try to jew people for skins and likely heroes. On top of that, it's a fucking multiplayer only game yet only supports 6v6. Tickrate would matter if you wanted to pretend this shit had a future in esports, but it doesnt
>>317764707
Here we go.
Twitch views are the measure of success, boys. Go watch your video games now, good goy.
>>317772860
Fucking this, I've been dying for a game like TF2 that's actually good and not dead
Dirty Bomb is shitting itself with F2P nonsense, so that's out now.
Why play this over Gigantic, Battleborn or Paladins?
>>317772950
It's ok Vladimir, you can go find another f2p game to shit up while we get to experience one free of your ilk for once.
>>317773271
What the fuck is Gigantic and Paladins?
>>317764953
>robocop
Is this bait?
>>317773271
>Paladins
>Hi-Rez studios
>Gigantic
>actually a Moba
Fuck that
I don't know shit about Battleborn
>>317773504
Basically the same shit as Overwatch, but better.
>>317772950
>/v/ has sunk to the point where people actually complain when games aren't f2p
I pray to fucking Christ that you are just some poor beaner and not the average /v/ user.
Rural american here.
Get 300 ping for tf2 servers in my own state.
Had no ping problems with overwatch.
Coincidence?
>>317773670
Dota 2 and Path of Exile set the bar higher than P2P games.
We learned you CAN have your cake and eat it too.
>>317760636
Is ticks the next meme word loserfags will use in order to flame a game? It's pings and anti-aliasing all over again.
>>317773812
>DotA
Ok you're some HIV infected Siberian shit and not a beaner, nevermind.
>>317772012
>the second best soldier to ever touch the game, the best pocket, the best in game leader
>isn't even good
u wot m8?
bf4 runs at 30 hz, and i think there was a patch recently that let you get your server into 'high update mode' which was 40 hz (hah)
i dont really care though since that game is what is. something like counter-strike is a little bit easier to notice the difference between 64 and 128 but people just use it as an excuse for them dying it gets old real quick.
it is however, fucking stupid for idiots on the internet to play armchair network engineer and think they have a flying fuck of a clue what goes on in a complicated game
>Beta weekend isn't open to all
>Miraculously everyone on /v/ got an invite since everyone seems to be fully capable of commenting on it
Mhm
>>317760713
It's another memeword PCfats are using to feel intellectual.
>>317773898
>bf4 runs at 30 hz, and i think there was a patch recently that let you get your server into 'high update mode' which was 40 hz (hah)
Do you ever feel embarrassed knowing you are actively and intentially lying to make things appear worse than they are because you have no better argument?
It's pretty fucking pathetic.
>>317763409
Idiots, we are surrounded by them.
>>317772782
dont have to prove shit to you, kiddo
I hope when overwatch is dead and forgotten after its first forced tournament blizzard 100% funds and pays players to compete in you'll think on this and realize how fucking idiotic you sounded
probably won't though, you'll just be gargling blizzard cock thinking about the next big cash grab they're about to defecate into your mouth
>>317773874
Sorry, why pay when I can actually get everything for free? Why not just pirate everything?
>>317771224
You must be either dumb or seriously uneducated... E-sports have been a thing since the 80s with the professional Space Invaders and Pac-Man circuits.LITERALLY PRO CIRCUITS YOU COULD MAKE MONEY IN [/SPOILER]
.
Also fighting game
.
THEN Starcraft: Brood War happened which made E-sports a global thing with its popularity in Asia.
>75% or more was LoL / Dota 2
This gave me cancer... You were are another tier of retard of you actually think this
>>317773898
>bf4 runs at 30 hz, and i think there was a patch recently that let you get your server into 'high update mode' which was 40 hz (hah)
If 60hz and 120hz are 40 in your head, maybe.
I am actually reading a thread where people are literally saying ticrate doesn't matter for a PC shooter
I feel physically ill
wtf has this board turned into?
>>317774052
lying about what? bf4 is 30hz and i thought ive seen servers advertise as 40.
but looking back on my list, i am seeing servers reporting as 60 and even 120, they just never show up for me normally since when i log in my filter of 64 player conquest with all of the maps eliminates all of them.
i dont know why you are trying to act like such a tool
>>317774052
He is telling the truth though, BF4 ran at TEN tick for most of it's lifespan. They supposedly upped tit to 30 at one point but the general opinion is that it was bullshit because it didn't fix anything.
Recently they claim to have upped it to 60 but that caused even more problems because servers weren't able to handle it.
>>317774335
>i dont know why you are trying to act like such a tool
The tool is the person who knowingly lies just to make an argument off of false foundation solely because he wants to score cred and fit in with his /v/ peers.
>>317774297
it doesn't matter for a casual PC shooter.
Overwatch won't ever be competitive. It's a silly game for weebs to drone about their waifus and teens to bond with one another. If TF2 wasn't enough to make it's genre competitive, then Overwatch certainly won't be no matter what its ticrate is.
>>317773964
You're not paying enough attention, It's literally the same 4-5 people, maybe a 6th but he likely left
>>317774538
>weebs
>interested in a western game with western design
Do you not know what weeaboo means?
>>317764362
If "success," being taken as having your shitty pop single replayed on the average FM radio station, is the definition I think you're trying to convey to me.
Then when you talk to anyone who isn't sixteen or a retarded girl, they'd probably have a very different idea of what success is and what is successful to them.
>>317762589
I can open up any random valve server on CSGO right now and get 64 ticks.
If they are using 20 ticks thats a joke. don't they get like 10 million dollars a month from WoW alone?
>>317769205
People can actually get off the the dead eyed plasticky lifeless look of SFM porn?
>>317774720
>western design
>completely ripped off of anime
Did you really think D.Va was an original character?
>Was looking forward to this as a new MP game to play
>20 tickrate
>Any interest killed in two words
>>317774402
but i didnt knowingly lie, i told you the only servers i see are 30 and every once in a while 40. one of them is now 50 which is actually new.
i dont know what your dumb fucking motive is, blizzard is a stupid fucking company and overwatch looks like fucking garbage
>>317774538
so many fucking things wrong with this post
first off, tf2 and overwatch aren't the same genre, I'm amazed at how people can still compare the two when overwatch is now in beta and there are streams and a lot of footage on youtube
second, overwatch WILL be an e-sport
blizzard doesn't have to create an e-sport scene, they have enough money to just buy one, and that's exactly what they'll do, same as HotS and Hearthstone
third, have you ever actually played on 20 tic? it feels worse than a console game, like everything is constantly rubber banding
if you combine 20 tic and people with over 100 ping you're going to have serious problems, the game is going to be borderline unplayable
>>317774729
>TFW I literally did a project in grade 7 English about success
Success is a shallow thing, get over it. You make your money and leave.
>>317775186
But it's just a meme according to people in this thread lmao!
>>317775138
>Anno created skintight body suits
As expected of the master
>>317775316
>New game comes out
>Small team? Objective based? Multiplayer? ROLES????
>INSTANT E-SPORT ZOMFG LMAO
Sure it'll be an E-sport for a while, but people can only tolerate the smell of shit for so long before they leave the room.
>game tries to be an arena shooter
>consoles
>20 tickrate
>Cawadooty soldier
Its dead on arrival, but hey, Blizzshitters will eat anything that gets put in from of them!
>>317763975
>decides it's time to squeeze more money our of WoW
So they should have stopped developing WoW at some point between 2004 and 2007 because you're a butthurt child?
>>317776060
>Cawadooty soldier
So you use 1 class of 20, which is designed around making fun of CoD soldier (all his voice lines) as proof the game is bad?
Scraping the barrel, mate.
What's their to talk about?
Overwatch fucks it's quality up with a shitty tick rate but it's a Blizzard game so people are more tolerant because of the label.
Does this thread need to go any further?
