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Which faction did you choose and why?
>Railroad
Because their reasons are the most selfless and they are the most overwhelmed
>>317758871
>Railroad
what
they are the whole fucking reason people think Institute is a problem
They gather as much information on missing people as they can and make runaway synths into that missing person
Minutemen is best for the Commonwealth
Brotherhood is literally SPESS MUHREEENS
I'm confused the whole purpose of the railroad is helping synths but since I'm assuming if you don't pick the institute it all ends the same and they get wiped out, what are they going to do when there are no more synths to help?
>>317760580
probably disband, splinter off into other groups, stuff like that
they're not trying to make be a permanent organization or governing body like the other factions
Railroad has literally nothing to contribute to the common good, so I can't really see a reason to choose them. At least BoS cleans out lots of threats from the Commonwealth while digging up technology, Institute is going to make big waves once they come up with their technology and Minutemen at least improve general security of the area even if they don't have anything that special tech- or skillwise.
Would someone explain why we blow up the institute when you side with the minutemen instead of just trying to convince everyone they are wrong or kill everyone inside and utilize their tech for the betterment of the commonwealth.
Brotherhood is literally the only option.
>>317760194
Does the railroad do that? I know the institute replace that one farmer in the sewage plant and the mayor of diamond city so I just assumed they did the others as well.
Institute because they are absurdly overpowered in terms of technology, and in theory your character can make them stop doing retarded shit.
>>317758871
>There reasons are selfless
And stupid. The Railroad is insane.
>>317761269
I doubt the Institute would give a country bumpkin milita their super tech.
>>317761269
That's another thing that triggered me about this game. If i'm the general of the minutemen, why does it feel like Preston is making all the decisions? Like what do you do in that game that makes you FEEL in charge of them. I mean shit, i was more in charge of the brotherhood of steel in a sense.
>no Enclave
fug
Anyone else feel really bad for the non-feral ghouls?
For some reason Arlen and Hancock make me legitimately sad, maybe it's their voices.
>>317761695
>What do you do in that game that makes you feel in charge of them.
You literally build the Minutemen's bases and claim territory for your cause. Preston is just a mouthpiece people talk to so they can get your attention.
>>317761349
This.
Brotherhood of Steel is the only faction with the drive, and the resources to help the common folks of the Commonwealth.
Their sole downside is their willingness to kill synths who have escaped the institutes bullshit, but you can make them see their error, much like how there is a difference between feral ghouls and regular ghouls.
The Railroad is full of a bunch of morons who don't consider the consequences of their actions, and don't screen the synths they 'free' to see if they should be freed or not. Good intentions but fail at execution.
The Minutemen mean well but besides their artillery, are generally too weak, military-wise, in order to assure security from the likes of institute synths or super mutants.
I don't think I have to say anything about the Institute. They are so disconnected from reality they've turned into a saturday morning cartoon villain while still believing they are the 'good guys'. Utterly blind.
Ad victorium!
>>317761752
Kent being way into idealistic escapist media has some pretty depressing implications. I just wanted to be his friend
>>317761526
That's something I really dislike about FO4, you're unable to really mold what the factions do. In theory, you're able to unfuck these things, but you have no option to do so.
>Railroad
You are their bitch, you fetch things for Desdemona.
>BoS
You are their bitch, you perform menial tasks for the man.
>Minutemen
Endless fetch quests even though you are their leader. Preston says thanks everytime and gives you more work.
>Institute
People know how to respect youwhen you fetch things for them :^)
>>317758871
>Which faction
>Implying faction matters
>Implying they are not all bunch of extremists
There is not a single faction worth picking or supporting. They are so one-dimensional and extreme in their agenda it's fucking pointless.
Where are the times where you could in the same time backstab Vault City, strike a deal with Gecko AND still get a happy ending without turning any of the places into shitholes.
Just try to imagine F2 politics played out with Bethesda's extremism.
>>317762234
>the way he sounded when he wanted to give up
It fucked with me
>>317762301
I wish we could have one thread without nostalgia fags raising a stink. You guys are seriously like old angry grandpas who never shut the fuck about nam.
>>317761962
Too bad everyone but the Institute fucking nukes the Commonwealth. So much for caring and helping.
Institute all the way.
>>317761349
>Only way to get Maxson's coat is to kill him
I'm fighting the urge.
>>317758871
The Railroad was willing to support Raider Synths.
>>317761962
Who cares? None of them stand a chance when the Legion come knocking on their doors.
>>317762456
>Nostalgia fags
And what if I told you I've get myself into Fallout with NV? And F2 is still the best game of them all, even if it plays so-fucking-slooooow?
Deal with it, factions in F4 are utter shit. Even NV and F3 got better balance of factions instead of bunch of lunatics or at least there was a choice not involving total descrution of everything, so one side wins all.
>Minutemen
Constant "go save Godknowswhatthistime Ville" quests, nuke the area in the end
>BoS
Do I really need to talk about Bethesda spasm over those morons?
>Railroad
Fetch them some more stuff and don't ask questions about their motives, as they've got none
>Institute
Le evils of science meme played up to fucking eleven
Literally everyone is shit
When I "join" a faction, am I tied to their ending?
So I just got the rundown from Shaun and I had already joined the Minutemen, the Brotherhood, and the Railroad. Is there a point in the main quest where they say "join a side nigger"
>>317762491
They nuked the Institutes underground facility.
And it had a very small yield for a nuclear reactor explosion. Literally no one lived in the ruins above the facility, no one was hurt except the Institute. Get fucked.
>>317763212
>So I just got the rundown from Shaun and I had already joined the Minutemen, the Brotherhood, and the Railroad. Is there a point in the main quest where they say "join a side nigger"
It's basically who you decide to build the teleporter with.
>>317763212
>Is there a point in the main quest where they say "join a side nigger"
Yes.
If you side with theBrotherhood of Steel, or the Railroad, you can opt to switch to a Minuteman victory later.
If you side withthe Instituteyou are basically against everyone else.
>>317763268
>lets cause a Nuclear Reactor to meltdown a short walk away from Diamond City.
>It's a good idea I swear.
>>317763364
Fuck. When I read the description, I thought I could go to all of them for help. I just happened to do Railroad first, and now I'm stuck with those fuckers. I really built my char around the Minutemen, though.
>>317763424
Diamond City was outside the blast radius, and received neither nuclear fallout nor any sort of destruction.
The worst they experienced was maybe a light earthquake, in exchange for no longer having to fear the Institute and their synths abducting friends and family and replacing them with fake versions.
>>317761793
wow, i'm such a fierce leader i just make people houses all day. Being a leader requires a ton more input, and the game just had you be an errand boy for Preston's "suggestions"
>>317763527
See >>317763372
Later on, choose the Defending the Castle mission over whatever it is the Railroad gives you.
I feel like I should have been able to make my own faction this game. Between the settlements and the Minutemen, there's a lot of potential to make your own group with people you recruit. It would have made the battle for the Institute all that much greater if it was settlers, companions, and wastelanders you had recruited.
Oh well, I'll wait for a mod.
>Two super powers and two groups of stupid niggers
Why would anybody pick the minutemen or railroad
Minutemen because that's the only non-zealot way of keeping Danse with me.
>>317758871
4 Factions:
>Minute Men
Literally nothing but building more settlements because even 300 years later, there's not a single city-state or nation on the East coast, for some reason.
>Institute
Venture Bros, Portal, and Big MT all fell into a blender and got run by a bunch of lunatics who are too busy being Sciency to rebuild the planet.
>BoS
HATE SYNTH
>Railroad
LOVE SYNTH
>>317763647
>Nuclear explosion is nothing
>This is what Bethesda teaches to people
>Yfw Maxson is actually a synth, but he feels he is superior to the others and that only he should exist.
>>317763797
Because the game pretty much forces you to do Minutemen shit for a while, same goes with Railroad.
>>317764146
It isn't nothing.
But it didn't harm anyone but the Institute.
Are you bad at reading or something?
>>317764169
That would be a delicious, delicious irony if it were true, given how he treatsDanse
if the institute actually explained what they were doing, maybe I would help them
>>317758871
>join BoS and Railroad since it made sense when I was still looking for Shaun to get information wherever possible
>later in the game build teleporter have no choice but to be considered part of the institute
>battle of bunker is extremely anticlimatic with no one shooting at me because I'm considered part of the 3 factions and can't formally betray them until later in the main quest
>>317763647
>underground explosion
>wouldn't cause massive quakes
>cloud was visible above ground anyway
>would'nt literally spread massive amounts of RADs to diamond city
kek
Im sure
Winds aren'ta thing at all
>>317762601
Pickpocket level 4 or reverse pickpocket scrub
>>317764273
The motives of all four factions are only ever explained so far as "for the greater good"
>>317764273
this pretty much
>been inside the institute for a few hours
>Father explains that I should join them because they are misunderstood by the commonwealth and are actually doing what's best for humanity
>NOT EXPLAINING WHAT THEY'RE DOING
>>317764392
>I don't understand how nuclear payloads, or radiation in general, works: The Post.
Good job proving yourself an idiot.
>>317758871
Institute because no one else accomplished anything in fucking 200 years.
>>317761349
yfw you find out he is 20 yo
>>317758871
The Railroad is the fucking libc.uck "he didnu nuffin!" faction that appealed to the tumblrinas and ledditors, but I can't decide whether to side with the Brotherhood or the Institute.
I already finished Liberty Reprimed but I'm not sure if I should go any further with them because I'm torn between the two factions.
I've quit the game at 35 hours because I don't know what to do and there are no mods or mod creation tools to fuck around with.
>>317763797
Fighting robots and tech Nazis is more fun than fighting historians and robots that might as well be people.
Also the Brotherhood is full of incompetent fuckheads
>>317764820
Go with the BoS, at least they explain their motives and why you should side with them. Father just tells you the institute is doing whats best for the Commonwealth AND NEVER FUCKING EXPLAINS WHAT THAT IS.
>>317758871
I went Railroad because they're more interesting than the Minutemen and I didn't like the BoS or the Institute, but also who fucking cares, the story in this game is hot garbage anyway.
>>317764820
I'm 90 hours in and I just got to the institue, what the fuck are you doing nigger.
>>317764969
>90 hrs
What the fuck are you doing? Did you seriously clear every fucking building on the map before progressing the story?
Why didn't anybody tell me Nick Valentine was so cool.
You fags kept talking about waifus and I almost missed out on the best companion.
>>317765095
It's a bethesda game, of course you're supposed to explore, map's filled with shit to do.
>>317764717Although I never asked Danse what Maxon's age was when given the speech check option. Now Maxon wants me to kill Danse.Aren't elders supposed to be Lyons's age? I'm lost.
>>317765098
Come on, you should know this from /esg/ and /fog/: never listen to anything waifu fags say.
>>317762693
Thats a funny way to spell A random assortment of inbred tribal niggers
>>317764651
You realize we see the mushroom cloud, right?
That cloud will carry radiation extremely far by wind, rain, and generally just falling on shit.
This wasn't a contained underground explosion.
>no Enclave faction that you build up yourself with a very old Colonel Autumn helping you out.
>instead the BoS are all about PURITY IN THE WASTELAND
gj bethesda
>>317765224
Maps filled with Raider Settlement #9243 and Broken Building Full of Ghouls #102456. The only vaguely interesting thing I've found via exploration was that fucking Deathclaw in the Witchcraft museum, returning that egg was fucking tense.
35hrs in, now I either A) Clear out raiders for no reason or B) Collect materials and listen to Garvey bitch at me for blowing up the Institute.
I choose D) Wait for mods to make the game worth playing.
>>317764820
But a lot of synths didn't do anything.
Apparently there's one asshole that becomes a raider but that can be blamed on the Institute for giving the fuckers free will in the first place.
>>317765272
Maxson is a direct descendant of the founder of the BoS. It's probably how he made rank so fast. They do say he's a brilliant tactition too.
You can find Arthur as a kid in FO3, so he's gotta be in his early 20's at most here.
>>317765098
People suck Nick's synth dick every time he's mentioned.
>>317765272
Perhaps the previous Maxon died and although the brotherhood appear to be mainly military based on the surface, complete control of the BoS belongs to the Maxon bloodline
Best combination would be Brotherhood + Minutemen.
Wipe out the Railroad and Institute, because making a bunch of self replicating robots is a terrible idea. The Railroad is filled with nuts who want to save Gen 1/2's for some reason, despite them being turrets with feet. The institute will never stop their research, and eventually they're going to be unable to control their synths when they become so intelligent they can easily bypass whatever failsafes are put into them.
Brotherhood generally keep peace, but in the end are going to take most of their army out of the commonwealth and will move onto other places. The people left over will just be to guard their outposts and preserve technology.
Minutemen will be there to take care of the common folk, form an alliance with BoS, that sort of thing.
I don't know if that sort of ending is even possible, because I have yet to beat the game, but it seems like the best to me.
>>317765516
>fans complain that the BoS were moralfags and too involved with the main story line instead of being neutral like they should be
>"I know! Let's turn them into the Enclave!"
>>317765516
>old Colonel Autumn
That could have been fun.
MM > BoS > Institute >>>>>>>>>> Railroad
>>317765516
THE ENCLAVE ARE DEAD
FUCK YOU
STOP TRYING TO REVIVE THEM.
New Vegas a was a perfect send off for them. A small group of old as fuck stragglers. There is no reason to bring them back. They had their time in 1/2.
>>317766471
Okay im about to blow your fuckin mind
who cares
>>317766471
Todd makes the rules now, if he wants, the Enclave comes back and there's nothing you can do about it
>>317765526
The robot ship and robot amusement park were really cool too. Also that mine with the sacrifice cult. State house with mirelurk queen was tense. Forged headquarters. Gunners town where the three officers are. Saving that scientist from mutant tower. That lab where you get locked in and have to research a legendary power armor torso. Obviously all of the hub quests. Yeah lots of stuff is generic but when you're running around exploring you don't feel the world is empty. I bet you missed a lot of quests and not just raider camps.
>>317765526
Very much agree with you.
The Witchcraft Museum quest is so far my favorite, one of the few with any remote creativity, and of course it had to be one of the shortest in the game.
The quest on the Constitution ship was pretty good, although I was insanely irritated with having to run through that ship with two loading screens every fucking time, and they have you go in an out a shit load.
Vault 81 overall was pretty interesting, Curie is my favorite character because Im lonely and I like her attitude.
Going into the Glowing Sea for the first time decked in power armor was interesting but...Then I learned there isnt anything out there except that one place with my quest.
Im at about 30 hours and I just don't see there being much else. Most of the time you're doing exactly what you said - killing ghouls in a building or killing raiders in a building. Or tediously fighter either of them or super mutes because they are blocking my path to my next quest. Theres no creativity here. And I dont remember FO3 very well but New Vegas wasn't like that, they did a real good job of giving you creative shit to do, and you killed people on the side. Quests in FO4 are just about killing people. The Witchcraft quest was so good because it wasnt about you just killing 30 dudes to get some useless loot or a quest item for some asshole.
>>317766136
>make BoS exactly like it was in the original games
>autists on /v/ still complain
more news at 11
The Minutemen feel like they're the most prosperous for humanity's future.
It's not like Institute or Railroad gives a shit about humanity.
Brotherhood are slowly turning into Enclave 2.0, soon they'll probably start killing humans that simply develop tumors/growths on their body.
>>317760194
>SPESS MUHREEENS
SPESS MUHREEENS!!!!!
STEHHHHHL REEEEEN!!!!
STEDY UR SELF BODHER!!!!!!
>>317766471
>game is littered with enclave armor
>THEY ARE DEAD
yes anon
yes...
>>317758871
Railroad, because they're different.
>get ability to upgrade stuff besides armor
>still can't upgrade road leathers
fuck bethesda
>>317767006
>The Witchcraft Museum quest is so far my favorite
When you're in the basement, it's kinda cool, but all you do is fight a death claw. If you brought power armor, you're fine.
Last Voyage of the USS Constitution is the best
Was going BOS until they started asking me to bully farmers.
Minute Men all day erry day
>>317767107
BRUVA I AM PINNED HERE
>>317767286
>Was going BOS until they started asking me to bully farmers
Wait, when do they do that?
>Be me
>Help BoS get hyper-electro-whats-it from the reactor.
>Give them the electric-boogaloo-doodad from the reactor.
>They just pocket it. Don't even know what to do with it.
>Go back to The Castle to restock.
>Forced to defend The Castle.
>Kicked out of the BoS, none of them will talk to me anymore. Even though I finish Liberty Prime.
>Quest list is Minutemen spam.
>Say 'Fuck it' and nuke the Institute.
>Shit ending.
>Lost any drive to keep playing.
>MFW.
>>317765346
You mean the NCR?
>>317767435
>be me
>>>/b/
>>317767037
No, the BoS weren't against mutants, especially after Fallout 1. They were tech raiders if anything.
In 4 they do the EXACT OPPOSITE of raiding tech, they fucking nuke it.
I think that Minutemen get underwritten, because of the whole "help the commonwealth".
If you look at the Minutemen (MM) through the lens of the NCR, you are essentially playing with the NCR of the Fallout 2 Universe as they attempt to gather territory, hence sworn allegiances to the Minutemen, and "create a safer Commonwealth".
tl;dr-
Minutemen are the fledgling NCR from Fallout 2.
>can'y find a way to commandeer the prydwen or liberty prime as minute men
There goes my idea of a new wasteland superpower.
I would have named it the New Commonwealth Republic. NCR for short
>>317767006
There was a lift on the back of the ship that took you to the very top
do i lose allies once a join a faction? If i join the institute am i restricted to their base?
>>317767421
quatermasters "extra work"
>>317761349
>20 years old
As fucking if.
>>317767959
It tells you a faction will hate you before you make certain choices.
>>317758871
Institute
>Safe
>Advanced
>Unlimited supply of robo waifus
>My own army of synths
>Let me be they're leader just cause
>Literally humanity's only hope
>Won't kill Curie
>>317761349
Maxson is the most boss ass Elder in any BoS chapter that I've ever seen
>>317767995
Please tell me you can still join the minutemen and destroy the Prywend when they give you that mission.
>>317764146
You're literally playing a game where mininukes have the blast radius of a small artillery shell.
Fallout Tactics Brotherhood will always be the best Brotherhood.
>not going minutemen to create your own Enclave
>not storming the institute in a swarm of angry musket-wielding farmers in your power armour, blowing away nerds with an Instigating Fat Man
>not commanding your minions to annihilate the Prydwen not with daring sabotage or fancy technology, but raw weight of firepower
>not BEING the final boss of your faction
>>317768358
you are now aware the Davy Crockett was a real thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)
>>317764468
Ain't it obvious?
They're converting everyone into synths to bring about the age of immortal cyborgs!
That's why they've been kidnapping people, imprinting them on synths, then replacing them - the goal is to replace everybody eventually
Fallout 4 brotherhood are literally Racism: The Faction
>>317768174
I've done that mission like 6 times. Its the BoS repeatable 100 caps "quest". I've squeezed food from the Abernathy Farm like 6 times.
>>317761349
They're the most reasonable. Misuse of technology literally ended the world and they try to make sure it isn't misused like that. Institute is cool and all but it's unnatural.
>>317768752
And they're right about basically everything.
>>317760580
there still vending machine and auto turret to save anon!
>>317768923
Except they're not, all they did by nuking the Institute was create ANOTHER "Reminiscent of Master's Army", only worst since they DO have the cognitive ability to build another Institute.
If the BoS was smart, and actually followed their tech raiding ways LIKE THE FUCKING SHOULD they would've captured the Institute and used it as their bunker, or at least used it to track down remaining synths.
>>317767107
BATUL BROTHAS
We are the spehss mahrens! WE ARE THE EMPRA'S FUREH!
>>317768834
Have you not played any other Fallout games?
The Brotherhood just horde tech and not share with anyone. They are the moral grey area of the Fallout universe.
Do you honestly think theyd just destroy potentially dangerous-to-humanity tech?
>>317765627
In addition, both elder lyons and sarah died so he was next in line
>>317768720
they're just using synths to do all the menial labor tasks and controlling the commonwealth, to get resources for science
>>317769206
Exactly, they're fucking raiders, but with a taste for tech.
>>317769206
They hoard it to keep it from being misused.
>>317764651
Not him but at the start of the game the shock wave from the nuke nearly disintegrates everyone on the vault platform as its going down and absolutely annihilates Sanctuary, meanwhile Diamond City is significantly closer to the blast zone than Sanctuary
What is the reasoning behind this, it sounds crazy to me?
Also I'm pretty sure when a nuclear bomb drops, the fallout it produces can be carried by the wind for several hundred miles if conditions are right
>>317768965
What happens if you blow up the institute without getting his serum?
>>317769349
And they use Power Armor, the most dangerous pre-war tech, tech that basically shifted the tide on the war. Theyre hypocritical because theyre no better than the institute, they just want power over theyre narrow vision of what the Wasteland USA should be.
>>317767421
The quartermaster who sells guns, armor, and ammo. He straight up tells you that they need farmers to 'cooperate' when you go around and meet everyone on the Prydwen.
>>317769614
He gets mad and attacks if you go back to his cave.
>>317758871
Query:
I just went to sentinel. For those that haven't explored yet, it's a nuke silo.
Why the fuck does the brotherhood of steel give ONE RANCID TURD about synths when there are at least 30 Mk28 Nuclear Fucking Bombs SITTING IN THE OPEN, WITH NO LOCKS OR SHIT, JUST SITTING THERE.
>>317769713
Wow, they really are no different from raiders. And these are suppose to be the good guys?
>>317769217
Why did they have to have Sarah die like a moron. Hurr my Dad died of natural causes and I'm in charge now. Come on Pride, those Super Mutants won't kill themselves!
>>317769751
actually he degenerates to a super mutant because of the virus
>>317769713
You know, if they didn't blow up the Institute like a bunch of morons like they are, they would've had PLENTY of food.
>>317769982
He just got mad at me. He yells something like "we had a deal and you blew it up" then turns his gun on me.
BOS: Durrr we hate synths despite the fact that we love techoinology. LETZ BLOW UP THE INSTITUTE DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE LOVE TECHNOLOGY. DID I MENTION WE LIKE TECHNOLOGY? Also check our r cool new airship totally not pandering to the memepunk audience kek xD
>>317769949
To be fair Lyon's brotherhood were kinda morons, or at least too selfless for their own good a lot of the time. It's not implausible they'd overextended and get bogged down and killed. Wouldn't have expected Bethesda to kill off a main character from 3 that casually though.
>>317769206
>Do you honestly think theyd just destroy potentially dangerous-to-humanity tech?
why do you think they want to wipe out the synths?
>Do run of the game with the BoS
>Feeling a bit more bleeding-heart, decide to do my next run with the Railroad
>Get inside the Institute, everything's going great, espionage, the whole nine yards
>BoS plans to wipe out Railroad, get quest objective to warn Desdemona
>Try to warn her, doesn't let me
>Game has bugged out and won't let me continue
Barring this obvious progression blocker and total bullshit, I've yet to find a flaw with the Railroad; save synths that have free will, don't care about synths that don't, just like Curie and Codsworth. Minutemen are kind of in the same field. Is there some sort of deep dark shit that the Railroad's doing that makes them actually a bunch of dicks?
>Siding with raiders in power armor
>Siding with edgy scientists that have no idea how the outside world works and who's whole plan is to rebuild the entire human race in a mile long underground cylinder
Minutemen and Railroad are the only two options if you aren't an angsty tween fresh from /pol/
>>317758871
>Not doing all
>>317770258
Youre naive. Because they are a threat to a Brotherhood dictatorship.
>>317770358
The brotherhood aren't even raiders in power armor anymore. They're nazis who destroy anyone more advanced than them. They never bother collecting any technology the whole fucking game.
>>317770207
And the worst part is, Synths weren't even the ONLY tech that the Institute had, it's clear that they had plenty other tech in that structure that the Brotherhood could only dream of having that would've helped humanity.
The Brotherhood are fucking idiots. And Bethesda are fucking HORRIBLE writers.
>>317770387
>my headcanon is more correct than what is actually stated in the game!
>>317761564
That probably why he talks about taking over the institute and distributing the tech yourself.
Frankly, the worst part about the ending ishow it covered literally nothing you did during the campaign. None of the choices you made had any long-term consqeuqnces aside from the prydwyn/institute being destroyed.
>>317770358
>siding with raiders in power armor
It's bad that when I read this I actually thought you meant you could join the raiders, because somehow they actually have Power Armor now.
>>317760194
>Brotherhood is literally SPESS MUHREEENS
And?
>>317770521
>They never bother collecting any technology the whole fucking game.
so i totally didn't do 6 missions before the Prydwyn showed up collecting tech then
>>317770521
What's funny is that I recall ONLY ONCE the Brotherhood's tech goal was mentioned, by fucking Danse out of all people.Who's a Synth.
>>317770705
>meme "radiant" quests mattering
>>317769460
it doesn't annihilate sanctuary, it barely damages it more than a minor tornado. 200 of weathering would fuck up those houses more than they are ingame anyway
underground blasts at sufficient depth are relative safe as the soil and rock absorbs the blast, especially with a presumably hardened facility like the institute. You can't apply real world nuclear science or strategy to fallout though, it has never tried to be realistic on that front.
>>317770596
>has never played a fallout game before 4.
>>317770329
>I've yet to find a flaw with the Railroad; save synths that have free will, don't care about synths that don't
What? You're openly told at the start of their quests that the place is divided because half of them want to save Gen 1's/2's and even refuse to go on missions that involve killing Gen 1's/2's.
I can see a civil war in their near future over saving what are essentially turrets.
>>317770258
I highly doubt the brotherhood is going to actually destroy the sinthys, they may talk about killing the synthis to calm the minds of mud eaters (that means you the player), but the brotherhood we all know and love would never pass the chance of getting their own synth army, you know for the good of humanity and shit.
>>317770589
Like fucking honestly
I still don't even get why the BOS hate the Railroad. It seems like Beth needed to shoehorn a reason that you couldn't make two sides work together.
Someone explain to me in detail why the Railroad is stupid because I feel extremely guilty for killing them on Christmas
>I didn't get to do the Courier companion mission because the Brotherhood was constantly attacking him
Worst character?
>>317770329
I find it questionable how the delete their memories and write a new personality for them.
There's one synth that you help escape when doing their missions, and when you meet him after the wipe again he's got a completely different personality. I don't see how that's different then killing them.
Also sometimes they fuck up the rewrite and turn the synths into psychopaths like the raider boss the institute sends you after.
>>317762425
>vault dweller sees him murdered
>continues to live the rest of their life as the silver shroud, wiping out anyone with even a shred of evil intention with extreme prejudice.
Institute.
I want to live in a nice comfy hole in the ground with robot waifus
Brotherhood is tech hoarding assholes
Railroad are people who think toasters are equal to humans
Minutemen are a complete J O K E
>>317770589
Seriously what the fuck was the point? By the time you have that last talk with Father, the institute is on it's last legs with everyone evacuating. Why didn't they just round up the scientists and kill all the synths and everyone who opposed and take control of all the tech the institute had. Why nuke everything? Fuck you Todd.
>>317770820
They literally nuked the institute. With all the synths in production, all the knowledge, everything. The brotherhood is just as retarded as all the other factions.
>>317770896
Why the fuck can't I kill this bitch and the other two useless named npcs. They say the same shit every time I'm in Sanctuary.
>>317770786
you also get paid caps to bring them technical manuals.
but thanks for playing.
>>317770884
Mostly it's the fact that a bunch of them legitimately think that Gen 1/2 synths are on the same level as humans. It's such a stupid concept and line of reasoning that there has to be a problem with them.
>>317770901
iirc the memory wipes are voluntary
>>317770820
Maxston wanted to executeDanseas soon as possible despite that he was the most loyal person he had and would have done everything for the brotherhood despite being a synth. That and they nuked everything. They were retards.
>>317770901
>Also sometimes they fuck up the rewrite and turn the synths into psychopaths like the raider boss the institute sends you after.
This is true, but don't you think it would me ethically wrong for them to re-write the personalities to be "perfect"? Just like some humans end up sociopathic, its only natural that some free-will synths would end up so.
>>317771050
>They say the same shit every time I'm in Sanctuary.
>FUCK YOU IM A RAGING BITCH BECAUSE
>uughhh im sooooo saaaaaddddd
>hey go help these mudrakers you just helped 10 mins ago!
>the siiiiiiiiight gimmie da cheeeeeemmmmsssss
I moved out of sanctuary asap
>>317770971
And Maxson even says that there are still stray Synths around. Well maybe if you didn't nuke the fucking place after clearing it out, MAYBE you could've tracked them down first THEN liquidate the place. It's not like they couldn't, the Institute had the means to track down every Synth.
>not forgetting the war for the commonwealth
>not living your life in the glowing sea surrounded by your brothers and sisters of atom
Why isnt this an option? I wanna go the religious route.
Plus their fucking raditation guns are annoying. I wanna join them just to not have to put up with those.
>>317771136
>meme "radiant" quests mattering
>>317771349
I was really pissed about the whole "How can you guys survive all this radiation?"
"It was a gift from atom"
Fuck off with your handwavy bullshit
>>317771439
>thinking they survive
>not realizing they are religious extremists willing to die for Atom.
Muslims maynn.
>>317771050
Just keep giving her chems and she'll be gone soon enough.
>>317771219
Which they strongly encourage the synths to take.
I also wonder just what makes synths different from normal robots, or if there really is a difference. Captain Ironsides for example shows a considerable amount of free will, and sentry bots don't exactly seem to be programmed with a personality.
>>317771537
You know what I mean. If you take your suit off out there it's like 20 rads a second, but they don't take shit
>>317771439
They're probably early on in the ghoulification process.
What exactly happens to people who turn into ghouls is never gone into much detail after all.
>>317771713
Not really because they kinda complained about Virgil.
I'm going with the Minutemen because I think that there's cool ghouls, supermutants, and synths that don't deserve to die. I also think of robots like Codsworth as more than just robots, and want them to be treated nicely, but the Railroad is full of clowns. The Minutemen seem like they'd give everybody a fair shot.
Reminder that minutemen would have gotten rektd by fucking RAIDERS if some guy fresh out the vault either walked around concord or just took the power armor and fucked off.
>>317771797
Virgil was exposed to the FEV, so he wasnt going to ever Ghoulify, and was just in hiding. He didnt actually beleive in Atom, just needed a place to lay low.
>>317771827
And even if they did ended up holding their own against the Raiders, their leader would've ended up committing sudoku anyway.
>>317771293
Worst part was that I extorted some caps from that one trader (Trashcan Carla), and now she forever stands in the middle of Sanctuary repeating this one line:
>Oh look, it's the robber again. I paid up, so get lost.
Literally
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>>317770971
>>317771276
They just nuked everthing? Without even trying to harverst the institute technology? But...but why? They have the chance to get everthing in the institute for themselves, instead they just nuke the place?
What the hell is the brotherhood thinking...
Reminder there is not a single boston accent in the game.
This is the future we look forward to folks.
>>317771918
Yeah but he couldn't fully embrace Atom since he was already naturally highly resistant to it.
Which makes me wonder whyhe would want to be cured in the first place, in a radioactive hellhole where he is currently.
>>317771581
Synths make no sense.
You see people like Ironsides, or the Mr. Handy's walk around making decisions with no one around to tell them what to do. They can carry on full conversations, answer questions, ask questions, have emotions (Codsworth cries if you take him to Nora's body) and all this other shit. HELL, THERE IS A FUCKING MS HANDY THAT FALLS IN LOVE WITH A GUY.
Maybe Synth's have more free will or options or something, but still. I don't see the railroad fighting for the rights of Mr. Handies. It's just a bunch of former synths fighting for synths. You're not a synth, they're using you. Ironically, the human has become the tool if you side with the railroad.
>>317771827
Why couldn't Preston get into the power armor and kill the raiders? Was he really unable to pick a lock that a housewife frozen for 200 years could?
>>317771975
Quality Bethesda writing. Todd himself penned these mighty plots
>>317771581
Curie seemed to have developed her personality from just a pre-programmed template into something close to true sentience over centuries of constant operation. Could be that without a 'factory reset' sort of wipe robots with advanced enough processors develop quirks that accumulate into a sort of individuality. I want to say that the pre-war logs in the old Railroad base mention something similar happening to Pam too. It's possible that only a couple models of robots have the capacity needed to end up as more free-thinking units, none of the protectrons on Ironsides' crew show any personality for example.
Does Kleo ever talk about her past?
None, because: the factions are shit, the main quest is shit, the game is shit.
>>317761962
>Brotherhood of Steel
>Help
You can FUCK RIGHT OFF YOU FALLOUT 3 BABBY.
>>317772051
90% of the holotapes have people speaking with a bostonian accent
>>317772051
>>317770896
There is and it's dreadful.
>>317763918
>Literally nothing but building more settlements because even 300 years later, there's not a single city-state or nation on the East coast, for some reason.
That much always bugged me about the fallout lore. Humans crave structure like you wouldn't fucking believe, the fact that literally everyone is still living in rusty shacks and bombed-out buildings 250 years after the fact is horseshit. If they can't put together functioning robots from spare parts and laser weaponry from garbage, they can mix up concrete, hang drywall, and build dwellings that don't look like 5 airplanes crashed in the same place at the same time.
>>317772064
>doesnt wanna get killed by Nazi Space Marines.
>>317771975
IT JUST WORKS
>>317772064
It's fucking with his mind and general bodily control.
If you read his computer you can see he is having anger issues, randomly slipping into more of a 'super mutant' mentality, and can't use his hands for science anymore.
>>317771827
I just realized I really wish they had an option to take the power armor and fuck off.
They could have made it similar to your options for Goodsprings in New Vegas.
Damn. That would've been neat.
>>317772064
His super mutant body has terrible fine motor skills, and who knows what sort of long term psychological effects it could have.
>>317771050
Because they're Yes Man characters.
>>317771975
That Institute tech is uncontrollable just like synthshit.
They hate Synth not because they are tech, they hate Synth because they are incontrollable and can do great damage to humans,
Bos dont care about new tech, they only care about prewar. Atleast under maxson. And Institue has never shown to be in control of their own creation.
>>317772126
What mod are you running? I listen to everything and thats what messed me up the most about this games writing. The lack of Bostonian accent.
>>317772184
>That much always bugged me about the fallout lore.
You mean Bethesda lore. The other companies who have handled Fallout knew something about the setting and showed actual progress being made. Bethesda doesn't know what they're doing.
>>317758871
minutemen because im a minmax faggot and preston has the best perk
>>317772086
I thought glory was the only actual synth of the main railroad named characters
>>317772086
This.
Codsworth, Curie, That Ms Handy in diamond city, Ironsides, and other robots you meet are literally just like people, yet all the Railroad cares about is MUH SYNTHS SAVE THE GEN 1 AND GEN 2s WHO ARE JUST ROBOTS WITH GUNS SAVE THEM SAAAAVE THEM SAVE THEM WOULD YOU DIE FOR A SYNTH?! THIS IS BLACK AND WHITE SAY YES OR YOU LEAVE FAGGOT
>>317771975
well all the institute weapons are shittierthan pre existing laser weapons
must not have been that great
>>317772394
The Railroad are literally all Synths.
>>317772305
>Bos dont care about new tech, they only care about prewar
>prewar
Excuse me, but isn't the Institute prewar?
>>317761962
also they hate ghouls xd
>>317772394
Named ones? I am not sure which are Synths.
But random agents and shit are synths. In fact, when I massacred their headquarters I found a fuckton of synth parts.
>>317772365
not much progress in other fallouts other than vault city which obviously was made with the geck
everything else is just people living in run down buildings that were already there or shitty shacks
>>317764468
"Goddamnit Shaun, listen to your father! You march out there RIGHT NOW and tell all the nice people what you're doing. Cryostasis or not, i've still got a good 30 years on you as well as a 10 in strength. Dont think I wont beat your cancer-ridden ass red in front of your directorate."
>frozen for 200 years
>muscular atrophy doesn't kick in at all
Okay
>>317772256
You can actually. set up your base of operation at red rocket or some shit.
There is only one main quest that require you to build something. dont have to care about minuteman at all unless you fucked up every factions.
>>317772357
pretty much every holotape i find in a random city spot have the accent, especially the ones i find in police stations
>>317772509
All their tech is post war.
They literally want to erase all prewar remnant "peacefully"
>>317772602
I'm still questioning how you and Shaun aren't puddles of goo. Seeing that usually those who get uncryo'd the Fallout universe tend to suffer nasty consequences shortly after post-thaw.
>>317767435
SAME EXACT SHIT HAPPENED TO ME
Didn't have any saves for 3 hours and I was crafting all that time, so I just decided FUCK IT and finished the main quest with the minutemen. I feel like they had the worst possible strategy though.
>>317763424
Ended well, didn't it?
>>317772086
There's actually one location in the game were a bunch of pre-war hippies were fighting to "free the robots"
They stole a Mr Handy, and when the Mr Handy was understandably distressed and tries to contact the police they reprogram it into a "just be" mode and it's been wandering around the site in a daze oblivious to everything and everyone since the war.
I see a parallel to the railroad in that.
Here's my big prooblemo
your first companion is a fucking sentient mr handy.
this is not a problem to anyone.
>>317772676
Arent most holotapes prewar stuff?
Is there a single NPC in the game with a boston accent?
>>317768671
You do know that the Davy Crockett nuke was far more devastating then a Fatman right?
>>317761962
>Their sole downside is their willingness to kill synths who have escaped the institutes bullshit, but you can make them see their error, much like how there is a difference between feral ghouls and regular ghouls.
W H E R E
>>317772808
Because Todd, desu
>>317772904
some guards in diamond city
Can someone explain to me why the institute was so obsessed with replacing people? was it some strange attempt at controlling wasteland politics? cause it just seemed like they would intentionaly fuck up any attempts to Commonwealth made to organise itself into some kind of union with no real motivation on the part of the institute.
>>317772808
>Generally
You mean one guy in one military base?
>>317772987
Holy fuck i forgot about her. I haveny been to Sanctuary since I took back the Castle.
>>317772857
why should it?
and technically you get dog meat first.
>>317773091
Wasn't there also a similar case with Mothership Zeta?
Any benefits to picking any faction over the others in the end? Like, after the main story, is there something that one of them can do for me that the others can't?
>>317769460
>>317770791
They can't even be consistent with their own fucking lore and you expect them to be accurate with actual explosions? That's asking a bit much from Bethesda.
wasn't the BoS going full enclave
>>317772857
Sentient AI are present in almost every Fallout game. It's just more abundant in FO4. Probably explained by the institute/railroad fucking with tech in the area.
>>317773089
They want to replace old people with "better" people that can be controlled.
The synth who shot everybody is out of control.
They havent perfected synth yet. Many tried to run from them. Everything is an experiment first and foremost.
>>317772612
Yeah.. but it'd be neat if you could have actual consequences. Like the Minutemen get killed or you could side with the raiders faction or something.
Then instead of having the Minutemen "help" settlement quests, there could be raiding quests.
Eh I don't know.. Just thinking about how they could have provided variety in quests options similar to NV. Would have really improved the game.
>>317772857
he doesnt act out of his programming though.
robco industry is just that good at programming.
>>317773159
That was alien technology and only the astronaut died due to cryo process. The rest died because the aliens fuck them up with experiments and then froze them for later.
>>317773335
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>>317758871
>Railroad
>Because their reasons are the most selfless and they are the most overwhelmed
you just described the minuteman op, not the synths who only help other synths
even sneaky deacon wishes they would help humans
Are Curie and Codsworth technically synths?
Doesnt Synth just stand for Synthetic human? Curie (until replaced in QTgurl) and Codsworth arent humanoid. The only real non institute synths that could be classified as such are the Assaultrons.
>>317772946
This.
Something I don't get about Fallout 4. If you reopen General Atomics, why do the robots accept caps? Shouldn't they accept pre war money?
As far as I'm concerned all of the problems I have with Fallout 4 stem directly from the voiced main character and the game being built around it.
>>317773461
Or Obsidian will just come out with the superior version in three years.
Feeling a bit too ambitious for mods to cover everything I want.
>>317771289
>implying the raider synth wasn't planted there by Father to convince you that synths should not have free will.
>>317761962
I had always hoped their would be a mission where, once the USS Constitution was repaired, you could turn it into a Minutemen ship, for a moving artillery, so you no longer needed to build in settlements.
I'd rather put more help into the minutemen. I gave them like 12 power suits afterall.
>>317773091
Also in the mods that re-add EPA to Fallout 2. Hell in one of them you can actually successfully bring back Dobbs from cryogenics.
>>317773335
Is that Yoni?
>>317773507
Synths are a nearly perfect copy of a human, so no they are not and you are being a retard.
>>317773461
fix what? make you a "raider leader" that must do everything by yourselves?
this isnt x-com or even dragon age inquisition. has something like this ever done in a bethesda game? Total conversion does not count.
POST YFW YOU FIND OUT RAILROAD IS A SYMBOL FOR TRANSEXUAL EQUALITY
>>317773548
It's the same reason why you can find pipe weapons from army lockers that have been closed since the bombs fell.
>>317773794
>sarcastic
My post was.
>>317773781
>perfect copy of a human
>gen 1 looks like a mechanical skeleton
>Gen 2 is literally plastic covered gen 1
Fuck off autist. Assaultrons look more Human than Gen 1s
Daily reminder that the railroad is the only faction to murder children.
She's a synth seriously
>>317773507
synth are simply robot biologic or mechanic made to look like humans.
being sentient or not doesnt factor in.
>>317772305
I thought they cared about tech in general
>>317773939
The synths that people actually care about look and act like humans. The rest are all just cannon fodder as far as I'm concerned
>>317773548
They're in debug mode?
>>317773835
>mfw I purged them
>without the BoS quest telling me to do it
>>317773861
I saw them in cincy last year. It was pretty kewl.
>>317773990
Exactly. Codsworth snd Curie look nothing Human. Why are people in this thread making a big deal about the Handys and Ironsides?
>>317774142
Because there is the question of how different synths are mentally from normal robots. If a synth could be considered equal to a human why not a robot like Captain Ironsides?
>>317773894
Game seriously needs a Morrowloot equivalent. I'm tired of getting nothing but garbage from dungeons and the only worthwhile gear being random drops from legendaries or bought from vendors.
>>317773990
Synths eat and drink, and often accidentally lose their memory and end up as normal citizens
They are abortions of science tbqh but they mimic the biology of a human
>>317772373
>Preston has the best perk
>Not MacCready
s m h t b h f a m
If the Brotherhood hated Synths, you'd think they would've popped a bullet in Valentine's head the moment he walked on their ship.
>>317773408
>robco
Robco a shit that makes those clunky-ass walking trashcans securitrons.
The mr Handy line was produced by none other than General Mother-Fucking Atomic.
>>317774139
I've seen them a couple times here in Houston.
Also followed them a pick through San Antonio and Austin during SXSW. I really enjoy their shows, especially San Antonio.
Only problem was the Houston shows had the same obnoxious dude who was totally obliterated each time. Makes me think twice about ever seeing them again here.I will though. No matter what.
>>317774268
Because robots dont want/needed to be treated equals.
People are not afraid of them like they are afraid of gen 3.
Out of sight, out of minds.
PURGE RAILDROAD.
>>317774268
And this would be address if any writer at Bethesda passed a middle school creative writing class.
Synths are SUPER BAD because they might look human. When the barbers ambient conversation with his mother is the DEEPEST dialogue about the main conflict of your game you've seriously fucked up.
>>317774363
MacCready's perk is literally broken
I'm just stuck at 95% headshots at any distance and through anything when he's my companion
It's too easy
>>317774303
You want to talk about shitty loot, how about the fact that unique weapons are now just named weapons with nothing special about them beyond have a specific legendary mod?
>>317774363
Whats MacCreedys perk? I killed him for how much of a dick he was in Fallout 3.
>>317774313
Only Gen 3.
Other gens are just better mr gutsy with 2 hands and 2 legs.
>>317774540
Exactly.
>>317762818
>f3
>factions
As fucking if, there's only one faction to side until the very end. Even then when you shoo the brotherhood there is no one else to join
Which of the factions is closest to an organized religion/Catholicism?
>>317774620
>unique weapons are now just named weapons with nothing special about them beyond have a specific legendary mod?
>cryolator
>junk jet
>shishkebab
>Railroad gun
yep, just a cool little mod
>>317774620
Aren't there some that are complete unique models?
>>317774713
Brotherhood of /pol/
"We want tech, but not new tech"
>>317774713
Institute probably, but only because Synths see Shaun as a god.
>>317774656
"Killshot -The player character has 20% greater chance to hit an enemy's head in V.A.T.S."
It's bugged right now though, so nomatter what you have a 95% chance to hit a headshot from any distance.
>>317758871
same tbqh. but now i have the problem of endgame tedium.
story's done, all ladies are romanced. built a bitching house. every new area i find is just an empty room, any new quests i've gotten are from slightly populated outposts that have no interaction from my companions(or waifus, specifically cait). they're just do this, come back, get this, continue.
it doesn't help that there's no explorer perk - that one from broken steel that shows you every location on the map so you can fully explore. now i wonder around nothingness and invisible barriers like a fucking retard because i just want more of the game.
thanks, todd. i pre-ordered.
>>317774490
Nope, synth are SUPER BAD because they arent stable paragon of virtue (which isnt so different from humans). And they all come from an organization who operate in the dark and treat the commonwealth like lab rats.
BoS was my choice after considering a lot of factors. The game is written decently enough to actually make you think about factions which really is a first for me in Fallout.
BoS has the largest most capable military force, which is an essential element to bringing back a more centralized institution system. Since they are the remnants of the government, with the right guidance I see them as the best candidate for restoring order on a large scale in the wasteland. It's easy to label them as a group of assholes and selfish tech hoarders but I think that in the end they're the safest card to play with the hope of restoring the Commonwealth. As the MC you have the option to steer the brotherhood your way. For example, I don't agree with the blind hatred for synths. I was able to speech check my way into a more tolerant attitude and steer the faction towards my ideology.
Assessing the other factions, there doesn't seem to be a good alternative to the BoS.
The minutemen are really a common militia that does not see the larger picture. If you let this faction exist for the next 1000 years they would still be living in the same shacks and growing irradiated corn.
>>317775146
The Institute has isolated itself and continues being a closed minded selfish academic utopia that has reached dangerous heights. I really enjoy the fact that the AI question was brought into the game. I do believe that AI tech needs to be controlled while being allowed to exist. There is no stopping scientific progress but when it reaches a point to which it can destroy humanity (rogue AI etc) then it needs to be put on a leash and watched. The Brotherhood is right in this aspect but is applying a way too rushed trigger happy approach of destroying the institute instead of reaching a diplomatic agreement so that the factions can exist peacefully and continue essential research.
I think that the best option for the Commonwealth is a unified government with the BoS being the prime candidate. If the Commonwealth was left in its current state all it would ever be is a bunch of settlements that exist to only serve their best interests. The areas between these settlements are lawless hellholes. Only a centralized force can fix an issue of this scale.
WeW, I sure wrote a lot for a gayme. I appreciate the thought that went into the gayme though.
>>>317775146
they don't just hate synths, they hate everything "impure" like ghouls, mutants, animals, etc. they're fucking zealots and joining in with them is a good sign you're a sheep.
>>317775146
The Minutemen are yours. You can literally lead them
BoS prove they can be blinded by zeals.
But their infrastructure is the best chance for the commonwealth I agree. So a minutemen/brotherhood coexistence is for the best.
Too bad Todd wont make post game dlcs for each factions, too much works.
>>317775146
>BoS has the largest most capable military force
Except not. They don't hold a candle to the bear.
>>317775146
The Brotherhood isn't a government they're anarchists.
They want to destroy the NCR for trying to create a modern society.
Elder Maxson even admits to taking Rivet city's reactor destroying their electricity.
>>317774779
i think the deliverer was but beyond that and the very short list of weapons posted a bit ago, the "unique" weapons arent any different from the shit that can drop off of legendary enemies. Kellog's Pistol, Righteous Authority, Maxon's Gatling Laser. Shit like that should have SOME type of unique special effect that you can't get on another weapon. Even if its only like a higher damage value and better crit chance.
>>317775146
>BoS has the largest most capable military force
lol no, even the Minutemen have a larger army and can fuck them over when needed.
Am I wrong in thinking Fallout 4's BOS is actually the Enclave? They seem to be pretty similar.
>>317775416
>the bear
AND THE BULL
Was the game's ending suppose to be underwhelming as fuck? I stormed the institute and didn't even see father, and then I see my "son" asking to come with me, and i'm like what? Where was the final confrontation like was expecting? Father didn't show up at all in the last mission. I'm disappointed as fuck
>>317775572
You walked right past him when you got the code from the terminal
>>317765272He's a puppet for actual elders
Also his family founded the brotherhood
>>317775382
thats the enclave you're thinking of.
>>317775547
Todd did a survey of which political views most murica youths hold and make a faction for each of them.
Yes, they are less retarded Enclave in BoS armors.
>>317775572
You must have fucked up. 'Father' aka Real Shaun is supposed to be a major player in this shit. You can even join his faction for an ending. The little Shaun doesn't show up until afterwards.
You didn't miss much, though. Retarded rhetoric and a shotgun shell in his skull while he lays in bed crying about 'muh illness'.
>>317775661
God fucking damn it. That's what I get for going with the railroad
>>317775572
Yeah really underwhelming honestly. Seemed like there was very little buildup, then all of the sudden you've nuked boston. AS far as finding Father in the last mission...He is bedridden in his room during the assault. He gives you the whole "pulled the wool over my eyes, im disappointed" speech and talking to him can actually result in a lot of the mook synths getting turned off.
The BoS are assholes.
The Railroad are nutjobs.
The Minutemen are bland as fuck.
The Institute are humanity's only hope for a better future.
>>317772852
Funny enough he's located where the Railroad asks you to build a base
>>317775698
This is why I will never like Chris Avellone.
>I want to blow up the NCR
>here have a DLC where there are fumes everywhere and the only way to kill the monsters is to dismember limbs
>have a character who wants to bomb the NCR even though his reasons are essentially bullshit
>begin again begin again begin again
>>317775873
I'm most disappointed that Ron Pearlman wasn't in the game at all! I thought AT LEAST he'd do the ending narration, but nope!
>>317775920
It's past your bedtime Shaun.
>>317775786
not in FO4 m76
one of their main quest missions is to wipe out a base of super mutants
>>317775146
BoS is NOT military, they're fucking raiders only smarter, have more tech, and are MUCH more limited.
They know if they fuck with the wrong people their faction will be wiped off the planet, their Power Armor ain't gonna save them from 20x1 odds.
>Railroad
Literally Hitler
BoS best path as always
>>317775920
Is not are Mr.Scientist.
I liked the quests where i had to force the farmers to give up their food.
It always ends bad, so me and Danse just vaporize them with the laser rifles while in full power armor.
Makes me feel like the stormtroopers that smoked uncle owen and aunt beru
>Not siding with the Minutemen
>safe and defended supplied settlements all over the Commonwealth
>minutemen guarding the roads all armed with 6 crank laser muskets
>able to call down artillery from any location where needed
What, are you all commies or something?
Logically if you could get the Institute to share their advanced breakthroughs with the surface and the minute men you could start getting civilization up and going again.
>>317775786
They're the same now.
Only difference is that BoS is accepting of wasteland humans.
>>317767249
Tinker Tom sells armored military fatigues that you can wear under armor peices
>>317776086
>The BoS is assholes.
>The Railroad is nutjobs.
>The Minutemen is bland as fuck.
What?
>>317776129
>taking orders from some uncle tom nigger with a shitty VA
>>317776016
Chris can be really heavy handed when it come to story.
And he isnt a great designer. Just look at kotor 2, ps:t or alpha protocol.
>>317775382
Well, ideally they can be reformed under the right guidance to be more tolerant (an option made possible through speech checks). I still see them as the safest bet for the Commonwealth due to their massive scale of intellectual and technological assets.
>>317775404
I agree. The minutemen are great local forces. The Brotherhood would make an appropriate higher level of government. It's probably the best faction combo imo.
>>317776052
They're fighting for an ideological cause they strongly believe in even if it's not perfectly tuned. I don't really see how you can compare them to factions like raiders and mercs
>>317776083
You got the groups mixed up, Maxson
Why can't I fuck my son if I'm playing as Nora? Doesn't he think I'm attractive or want to fulfill some Freudian fantasy? This is bullshit.
How do I not get face lasered into oblivion by assaultrons
I chose the Institute because the outward appearance of sentience does not connote sentience proper, and synths are only what are sometimes called "philosophical zombies" and don't deserve to be treated as human beings.
Oh, and the Brotherhood are a bunch of tryhards.
>>317776301
Power armor with Targeting HUD. You see them for miles out.
>>317776295
He can literally created his own flesh and blood waifu to fuck. He doesnt need some irradiated middle age vaultmeat.
>>317776271
Except their "ideological cause" is conflicting, if they go to war with anyone that isn't on their equal limits (aka Enclave), they won't have a prayer.
>>317760194
Heard you were talkin shit like I wouldn't find out
>>317776301
>exit VATS
>dodge
>issue headshot with energy weapon
alternatively, toss a few pulse mines in front of his dumb ass.
>>317776507
>his
If you finish with the institute can you set up teleporters at your settlements? I'm not fast travelling and this would help immensely.
BoS
because they're the best hope for humanity.
inb4 NCR kikes who dont know what vault 15's experiment was.
![[CBM]_Hellsing_Ultimate_-_04_-_[720p]_[1370CB6B].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4Eg9mWa.jpg "[CBM] Hellsing Ultimate - 04 - [720p] [1370CB6B]")
The Railroad is interesting hidden behind disney characters.
The Brotherhood is interesting.
The Minutemen are literally half a dozen people with radiant fetch quests.
The Institute is too bond villain evil to be interesting. Killing diplomats? Razing a city? Creating sentient cyborgs to do your laundry and enslaving them? Replacing people as 'experiments'?
So your two options because of how poorly the game is written is free the gen 3 synths and nuke to institute or purge them and nuke the institute. And really which one you choose should be dictated by which factions theme/quests you like more.
>>317776536
>I'm not fast travelling
wow dude that's so hardcore i'm really impressed
i bet using power armor is a cinch for your dumb ass
>>317776257
I don't know why people suck his cock so much.
If he wrote F: NV the NCR would pretty much be nuked
>>317765542
They don't have free will. They only get free will when the railroad fucks with their memories.
It was explained that every choice they make is determined by advanced AI personalities that are programs by the institute.
>>317776301
blow off their legs
>>317776301
>Robco created proto-war synths with laser eye and kungfu claws
>all House has to protect him and Vegas are tvs on a wheel with guns
>>317776332
>Philosophical zombies meme
>Sentience is not reproducible meme
I don't have enough bait for this retarded post.
>>317776425
He'd better make me a new husband then.
>>317776507
>headshot
>targetting the STRONGEST part of the Assultron
>>317776853
What's your problem? Fast travelling is tedious as fuck.
>>317776536
Nigga are you the Dalai Lama or something
>>317775547
desu senpai they seem closer to FO1/2 BoS
their idologily is basically save humanity from the tech that destroyed the world even if that means killing them.
>>317776968
Free Will doesn't exist.
>It was explained that every choice they make is determined by advanced AI personalities that are programs by the institute.
This is literally the same thing as being human. Large parts of how society functions is based upon this, and pretty much all of criminology and behavioral science.
Gen 3 synths are functionally human even if they aren't technically the same species.
>>317761752
I felt so bad for the Vault-tech employee. I wanted to be his buddy and make up for the 200 years of misery he dealt with.
>>317777012
Securatrons have a laser, a sub machine gun, a grenade launcher and a missile launcher and self repair functions.
Securatrons are built to handle any possible situation.
>>317761752
Hancock became a ghoul because he's a druggie, don't feel sorry for him
>>317776967
He understand the relationship of game mechanic and game writing really well. And also understand how to make a good story.
But like any auteurs in the industry, he shouldnt be given reigned over anything.
I keep reading of a battle of Bunker Hill but that never happened in my game. I sided with BoS, is that a Institute thing only?
>>317777579
>implying Assaultron octagonapus lazer doesn't solve any situation
>>317777525
I thought it was weird his name was still "Vault Tec Rep" when I met him.
Lol BoS sucks
>>317777746
It has a long ass charging time and can't be rapid fired.
By the time an assaultron has fired its laser a securatron has already unloaded a missile barrage into you.
>>317758871
Was going to pick Railroad because of the good armor, but ended up going Institute once I got to that part.
>>317777525
>Look at us in Sanctuary, prepared for the future!
His repeated lines are like a fucking ray of sunshine compared to those other fucks.
>>317776129
I armed everyone in my Castle with full combat armor and combat rifles.
Defending it was a cakewalk.
>>317775456
You're actually spot on with that.
>"secure food shipments by any means necessary"
The moment I saw that, I had flash backs to mister house describing them as a terrorist organization, and president Eden calling them common criminals with access to antiquated technology. Their only real purpose in being there is to kill mutants, blow up the institute, loot the place and get some of the tech for themselves (they still have no interest in tech without applications in combat, so there goes the shot at an FEV cure, synths helping wastelanders, or their genetically engineered super crops ever being used). They can try and beef that up with grand ideological ideas, but the execution is what really matters.
>>317775547
They deviate in that the enclave wanted to develop new tech and was largely a secretive isolationist group similar to the institute, or the Mojave brotherhood. They also want to rebuild pre-war america as opposed to the brotherhood which is focused ideologically on making sure nothing dangerous ever happens again; they're gun control for the wasteland. The only thing both groups have in common is power armor and a hatred of mutants.
>>317777643
So he's like a director?
>>317777579
they weren't equipped to deal with a fucking fatman loaded with tiny tots.
>>317771958
Kill her. She's a traitor informant of The Institute (one of the terminals in the institute has a list of informants, including some caravan people bartenders)
>>317778112
Doesn't the BoS have a radiant quest where you have to go to local farms and collect food from them?
Whether they want to share or not?
>>317777253
I can't shutdown human from speaking a code.
>>317778294
That's what I was referring to. They can sometimes just be silly raiders that cosplay as knights.
>>317778294
yeah thats where you get to roleplay as gestapo
>>317776129
so you can be in charge of both factions?
>>317775382
What's wrong with that?
>>317778520
not sure what happens if you go with the nazi brotherhood but if you go minutemen then the brotherhood just dont interact with you at all. You can use the vendors and are welcome on the base but they dont give you any more missions other than collect tech docs
>>317778280
Really?
>>317778520
Yes, if you side with the Institute you don't need to take out the Minutemen.
There's a mission where there's some tension between the sides but you can talk them down and resolve in peacefully, that's the extent of interactions.
>>317772294
Yes Man at least had a point.
And you can technically kill him. He just uploads his AI to another Securitron.
>>317777127
not as tedious as running everywhere
I go Institute/Minutment.
Because as far as I know they're the two factions that make you the boss.
I will rule the Commonwealth or see it burnt to ashes around me.
>>317778712
Yes.
The only person with any sort of brain in the Railroad is fucking Deacon.
It was a shame you couldn't talk to him in the BoS quest and instead had to just kill em all.
>>317778957
How much work do you have to do for the minutemen before they help you with the courser chip?
I got to The Molecular Level but I haven't joined a faction because I'm gonna join the institute on this character.
filthy peasents
>>317762234
LET'S GO FIGHT CRIME!
god, how could you say no to that autistic fuck?
>>317779106
No idea, I did it after I had the fort, but based on the NPCs and their lines I'm guessing all you need is to get them to Sanctuary.
>>317773943
wat
>>317779135
Your character looks incredibly stupid.
>>317779135
that modder did a shitty job of the textures on that reskin
so I have the courser chip, but I no longer have any interest in completing the main story
most interesting side quests, and not the ones where you talk to Kent or the like, I mean shit you just stumble into
for me, the most interesting so far was at the lab where you're "hired" onto the research team and then locked in until you complete the research
any more like that?
>>317778937
I disagree. This way I see more locations, level up faster and it's better for scavenging.
>>317779140
>tfwif you don't convince sinjin to kill you first, kent gets killed almost immediately
They're literally all terrible
>>317779760
>Not taking Jet and killing Sinjin before he can move a muscle
>>317777777
>>317779760
>Threaten his cronies to back off
>the instant you have control, go to VATS
>blast that nigga in the face.
>>317779760I just Shroud Spoke until Sinjin's goons pissed themselves, popped some jet psycho, and blew Sinjin away before he could do anything
I'm trying to turn in a Randolph Safehouse mission, but Desdemona only asks me to join the Railroad and leave the Minutemen, since I just visited the Institute for the first time. Can I tell her yes but still continue on the Minutemen path or am I shit out of luck?
>>317779760
As soon as I got into the hospital kent got killed. Wearing Power Armor seems to break a lot of these kinds of quests for me.
>>317780030
Why didn't you restart your save
Sinjin has a conversation with you before he does the deed
>>317779995
>jesus: fucking kill!
not bad
>Ctrl + f
>Atom Cats
>0 results
Atom Cats should be there own faction.
>>317779760
PsychoJet.
.50 sniper.
>>317779961
I think you can later unite the minutemen and the railroad
>Decide to officially side with the Minutemen
Built the teleporter with them
>Give the info to Sturges once I get to leave the institute
>Preston won't give me the quest to advance the storyline
What do I do here?
>>317780313
>>317758871
I stopped playing after visiting the glowing sea. I have an assload of quests but I just don't feel like doing any of them.
I really tried, I did.
>>317779995
nice
>>317780562
Glowing Sea was the highlight of the game anyway.
>reddit the thread
why do you faggots load your pictures up to imgur and shit when you can post them straight from your HDD?
>BoS
>you're their bitch
>Railroad
>you're their bitch
at least I feel like I have some power in the Institute since I become director. I even get the choice of four different punishments for that piece of shit that locked me out of hydroponics.
>>317780509
You have to piss off the Institute somehow, then they'll attack Castle and the story progresses
>>317780627
You talking about >>317779995That's from reddit.
>>317780618
fuck I hated that place
everything wanted to fuck my shit
>>317780618
>FUCKING NOTHING was the highlight of the game
Like poetry
>>317779760I just spoke as Shroud until all of his minions ran away, then I ran up to him and shot him 2 times in VATS with my Advanced Combat Shotgun
>game steals the plot of Binary Domain, like the whole replacing people with synths and creating fully functioning synths that can reproduce with humans creating baby synths inside their wombs
>no on seems to care
sigh....
>>317780030
>tfw trying to save kent as a melee build
I could vats to them, but melee aoe still one shot kent. In the end I just used console to turn ai off.
>>317780728
So? Its a fucking webm.
>>317780810
why do you guys even come here? Youre so easy to spot its comical
>>317780618
The radscorpions kept trying to burrow out of uneven ground and would launch high into the air, either dead or soon to be dead from the fall.
>>317780847
>creating fully functioning synths that can reproduce with humans creating baby synths inside their wombs
I don't think FO4 synths do that. Synth Shaun was built from the ground up as a 10 year old and he's the only child synth they've made.
>you can't convince Maxson that Synths can be good
Shit game.
>>317780728
This one isn't because i made it
>>317780847
Was that your first Androids Dream of Electric Sheep-style story or something.
>>317780618
>Glowing Sea was the highlight of the game anyway.
Really? I was pretty much bored throughout my entire play. I just don't care about any fucking character in this game.
>>317758871
You're an idiot.
Minutemen were the only ones that wanted actual progress and peace for the common wealth.
Only problem is most factions are filled to the brim with retarded AI and NPCs.
At least the Brotherhood will actually asssist you in the finale and you can call on the vertibirds.
Even the institue gives you Synth nades.
Minutemen, you have to build everything yourself.
>>317780847
>synths that can reproduce with humans creating baby synths inside their wombs
They're programmed to be infertile though.
>>317780953
What?
>>317781024
holy shit what gun is that?
>>317780982
>>317781074
Shaun synth was a fully functioning synth able to reproduce, go read all the terminals in the institute and talk to everyone.
>>317780030
It can take several tries to save Kent. Reload. Go up to the two guys but don't fire and stop moving as soon as they start talking. If you keep moving up they kill Kent and open fire.
If you keep speaking as the Silver Shroud there is a dialog option at the end that convinces almost everyone that you really are the Silver Shroud. As soon as you take this option, enter VATS and kill the guy with a gun on Kent. It takes a few tries because he sometimes manages to kill Kent even before you can get the first VATS shot off. Using the Silver Shroud dialog (I think it might have been a speech check), the other three won't even engage you.
Even if you can't pass the speech check, 9 times out of 10 the second guy standing with Kent won't care about Kent, so you can VATS the guy with the gun on Kent, then kill the other guy (plus the two cronies that never care about Kent) safely.
>>317781174
The Gauss Rifle.
>>317781046
the MM give you artillery though
yeah it's a pain but it werks. Artillery will kill anything outside, I use it mostly to take down chameleon deathclaws because I'm lazy. Artillery doesn't die quickly like synths and doesn't crash into the ground like BoS Vertibirds
>>317781192
I hadn't even gotten to singin, I literally loaded into the hospital and kent died.
>>317781126
I said
'Why do you come here?'
'its so easy to spot you its comical'
Implying that you guys out yourself as newfags because you dont lurk and you think you know the culture yet you fuck it up so much it actually provokes laughter
>>317780847
does that mean that my sweet Curie is fully functional?
>>317781046
>you can call on the vertibirds
That are then shot down almost immediately because they are flying coffins.
>>317781192
The seech check is a different option.
I think the silver shroud option will work if you use it throughout the quest every chance you get
>>317781340
No, only Synth Shaun (otherwise known as SS)
>>317781386
>shot down almost immediately
>implying they don't crash on their own accord
>>317781309
I was confused as to the point of your post or its relevance to the post quoted anon, not it's content.
So the Institute lets you teleport synths onto your position anywhere.
The BoS lets you call a vertibird to give you a ride and gives you a free set of rather high tier power armor for free.
The minutemen give you flares to call for reinforcements and flares to call artillery strikes.
What boon does the railroad offer?
>>317781616
Armored Weaves.
>>317781563
of course you were confused because you dont see how comical the post was because you are new here. I wasnt asking you I was asking the kid that I quoted. If that is you then why do you come here and post? What do you think is here for you? As an old timey faggot Im telling you this place is shit and you should leave and never look back
>>317768082
Railroad literally gave Curie her body bruh
>>317761349
Anyone else want to get facefucked by maxson?
>>317781616
Deliverer is pretty cool
>>317781796
curie a shit though
>>317768082
I don't really get why turning Curie into a robobrain wasn't a second option.
>>317781954
That would require her to have an actual brain.
>>317781616
Best pistol in the game, best waifu in the game.
>>317781306
if you enter not wearing the shroud set they insta kill him
they were expecting the silvershoud and got some asshole in powerarmor
>>317781740
Anon, I forever hope that I have the self awareness to never make a post like you because that is definitely top 10 in the most cringeworthy shit I've ever read on this site.
And I know the reply is just gonna be
>Hurr reddit
>Hurr newfag
>Hurr I'm so cool andliterallyedgy
The Glowing Sea WAS literally nothing, it was 3 important locations (1 of which was completely buttfuck retarded) and a wasteland littered with trash wildlife and deathclaws
>>317782014
In Fallout 2 you gain a robot companion by loading an AI into a robobrain, with its stats determined by the quality of brain you get. Same could have applied here.
>>317782052
>best pistol
>best waifu
what are they faggot
>>317782110
I went in wearing the shroud set underneath my power armor and it worked.
>>317782209
No robotbrains in the Commonwealth but lots of synths laying around.
I can't believe people actually bought this shit.
>>317758871
Institute
They gave the best loot and what not for siding with them.
The rest give crap.
>>317782179
>implying
>implying
>implying
so youre just going to project and completely avoid the question and start talking about something else then?
never mind you probably belong here then. LURK and learn the culture before you post is the best advice I can give you if your dead set on staying in this shithole
>>317758871
joined the brotherhood because they got that military strength.
basically as soon as i found the Railroad I murdered all of them lol
>>317781904
I want to choke on Maxson's dick while Danse pounds my ass in his mech suit.
>>317772051
Never found the Wicked Shipping company, didja?
I'm a bleeding heart, so Railroad.
I always tend to choose the freedom faction in games.
Tried to choose Institute but the inability to actual sit down and have a ten minute conversation with Father discussing what his plans are, why he decided to do what he's doing, why he used FEV test subjects, and why he stopped investing in human augmentation takes a lot of the air out of it as it's really obscure and hard to support them.
Thanks Todd.
Institute killed your wife and fatherkeked you.
>>317782495
>Hurr reddit
Fucking.
Clockwork.
Listen, I know shitposting is fun but I think this board could do with a little less of it.
>>317782358
The robot dumping yard a short ways from Sanctuary listed robobrains in its invoice.
The "I married a robot" magazine also has a picture of a man kissing a robobrain on its cover.
>>317758871
Railroad is the most selfish, they will kill even real humans to free synths, that is pretty fucked up also they are sneaky pricks. Brotherhood of Steel was the only selfless faction in Fallout 4 since Bethseda has such a boner for BOS.
>>317772425
>Codsworth, Curie, That Ms Handy in diamond city, Ironsides, and other robots you meet are literally just like people
They're not though, Curie flat out tells you her robot brain was dramatically limiting her perspective, she had no initiative or intuition, not to mention real feelings until she got the synth brain.
>>317782864
And the people who did that have died of old age by now, or are at least very close to it.
>no Faction to LIGHT UP THE NIGHT and destroy the institute without going full Brotherhood of Lawful Stupid or having to deal with Minutemen idiocy
>no neutral/anarchy ending
Come the fuck on
If you spare Danse, then betray the BoS, can he still be used as a follower?
>>317780847
>the plot of Binary Domain
Lmaoooooo
If i join the institute will i still run the minutemen and be bros, all i really care about.
>>317782912
ill take things that didnt happen for $400 john
why not just answer the question instead of getting all defensive and memeing?
I feel hollow. The ending was so...not an ending. I feel literally how I felt when I beat TPP, empty inside. I wanted to know the future of everything I did, like in the previous games where it tells you. But NOPE! Just "hurr durrrr, war never changes" Really the ending felt like a summer anime
"Gee, I've sure learned alot in the commonwealth all summer, but one things for sure, war never changes"
>>317783596
No. Institute shits on everyone
>>317777643
This. He's always had people like Tim Cain to keep him grounded.
>>317783607
>wanting the Obsidian experience
>from a Bethesda game
Just play New Vegas man
>>317783596
Yes, there's some tension between the two but you can talk it out.
>>317783775
I think that's the problem man. New Vegas had an ending for everything you did, in this game? Fucking nothing
Why does the Brotherhood want to cleanse the land of mutation suddenly? Isn't that the Enclave's MO?
>>317784543
Fallout 3.
>>317776301
Hide behind something. Fucking hilarious to see them run away after realizing their super beam didn't do shit to the pillar it was shooting at.
So did the institute replace the Mayor then kick out all the Ghouls from Diamond City or did the Mayor kick out all the ghouls from Diamond City then he was replaced with a synth because they wanted someone less batshit crazy?
>>317784543
Yes
The Brotherhood in Fallout 4 are acting exactly like the Enclave from Fallout 2
They want to save the country by purging it of all mutations and take all the tech away but use it themselves
To make matters worse the way they handle Blind Betray is way more in line with Enclave logic
Brotherhood would not want to kill a Gen 3 Synth that's in arms reach, they would want to stuff it in a lab and experiment on it.
But The Brotherhood haven't been the Brotherhood for a long damn time now.
>>317782734
Also why he's stealing random fuckheads to replace with robots.
The compound. Should have been involved in more quests.
>>317784629
They had a thing against Super Mutants but they were not this level of cleanse the world and take there shit till 4.
>>317783362
If you use console commands to teleport him to you, otherwise he fucks off never to be seen again.
>>317784858
east and west brotherhood. Why do lore fag only ever quote the lore that reaffirmes their personal agenda instead of the whole fucking story
>>317784543
The current Elder Maxson was a child under the tutelage of Elder Lyons who, prior to the events of Fallout 3, had declared an ideology centered around purging the DC Wasteland after seeing the horrors of the Pitt.
During this time those who remained true to the Codeces of the Brotherhood became the Outcasts, but their schism ended after the events of Fallout 3, when the Brotherhood proper began repurposing the leftovers of the Enclave technology.
Despite what faggots who have never actually played Fallout 3 will tell you, the Brotherhood schism was actually the only well-written thing in that game and the Brotherhood in 4 is a logical result of that.
>>317782734
>>317784916
I was mired by the irony that he had huge issues with Synths being stolen for other peoples uses when that was his exact origin story.
>>317784925
>break in
>read terminal
>go to compound and kill everything
that shit had so much potential and it was just thrown away
>>317765346
>he doesnt know that ncr won
>>317785189
are you literally a fucking retard? Or just a dumb fucking nigger?
>railroads password to their super secret base is railroad
jesus fuck coursers must be the dumbest robots of all
>>317784993
Are you Talking Tactics or Fallout 3?
Tactics Brotherhood had no issues with Ghouls and Mutants in their ranks as long as it further the cause of finding and locking away tech.
Fallout 3 just had issues with the Super mutant army and wanted to play heroes and protect the civilians(including ghouls) by distributing tech
Fallout 4 they all things non human must be purged and want to keep all the tech to use it on said people and things.
They are one president away from being the Enclave
>>317785189
>implying they did
Independent Vegas or Anarchy is the canon ending, if only because setting one specific chain of events as canon fucks with potential future stories
>>317766091
The BOS and the minutemen don't attack each other in either of there endings, in fact they say they are proud of you.
>>317785359
Hell in Fallout 5, I wouldn't be surprised if BoS started killing humans that just so much has a visable growth/tumor on their body.
>>317785359
Tactics Brotherhood is barely even canon and incredibly stupid considering that discovery of the FEV Vats was what CAUSED the BoS to be formed in the first place
>>317784543
If I had to guess, Maxson (who can be seen in Fo3 as a child) grew up and got to experience the wasteland for himself. Assuming he had to purge every super mutant and ghoul in DC to pacify it, he probably realized that at some point it's hopeless to assume that regular people can do things on their own.
Megaton is built around a fucking nuclear bomb, Tenpenny Tower was rich but too lazy to finally fix it's ghoul problem, Canterbury Commons has no defenses (in most of my playthroughs all the adults there get killed by wandering deathclaws and radscorpions), and Rivet City is actively killing it's own residents via rust inhalation. All the Vaults in the area failed for one reason or another including Vault 101. Everyone that had access to prewar tech did bad things with it, including their own (Ashur) repurposed a steel mill/foundry in the Pitt for his own gain. Given how the BoS fix the Prydwen (which was crashed northwest of the Pitt) up, that means Maxon had to reconquer the Pitt for the BoS.
Meanwhile, the remains of the Enclave (all the human soldiers, and Autumn if you pass a speech check) become a part of the east coast BoS so their ideology proliferated. Lyons himself was an old fuck, and an outcast inside the proper BoS. So much so that the orthodox BoS (the people in Fort Independence) openly defy him in Fo3. Given how he, and all his scribes, eventually died to old age their replacements were probably far more fascist driven than them.
In the end, there was really no other way for the BoS to go. It's nice that Bethesda at least realized this.
>>317785514
Just saying what ever that anons issue was with east and west doesn't ignore how much BoS is the Enclave now
>>317785359
im talking about how the east brotherhood was just an outfit that was sent out west to form a base and then all the shit that happened to where they changed their objectives to start helping the people of the wastes and protecting them from mutants and ghouls. This happened because out west is a fairy tail compared to the harsh realities or the east.
Stating the brotherhood hasnt been the brotherhood for a long time is just pure ignorance. Everything about the brotherhood happened for a reason.
The fucking BOS in the west even sent people to clear out the east BOS but they failed
>>317785504
>being this retarded
The Brotherhood have no issue with Ghouls, aside from typical Wasteland racism.
Their hate for Supermuties and Synths is entirely justified, and they still don't have any problem with Nick other than typical racism - you can even convince Maxson to let Danse leave.
If you actually think WCBoS = Enclave, you never actually played Fallout 2 or 3
>>317767715
Thats why I sided with them. In the first fallout games you help establish the NCR and In new Vegas you see what it has become.
So I sort of felt like I was founding a new nation state with the minutemen.
>>317785634
>Megaton is built around a fucking nuclear bomb
that shit was so fucking dumb
the more I think about it the more annoyed at todd I get
>>317785313
>hear rumors about Underground Synth Railroad
>go out past Swan's Pond to join up
>tour guide tells me to "look for the red path"
>thinking it's all cryptic, I literally just follow a line of red bricks two blocks to their secret club
I thoroughly enjoy this game's stupid moments
>>317760194
No. They kidnapp people, make a synth out of them to see how well they blend in. Do experiments on the missing people, most likely FEV.
What they are trying to lead up to is to completely wipe humanity, replace them with synths as well as animals, and have them under their control with no free will.
Father literally explains this when you first meet him and on the CIT Building.
>>317785634
It's a little funny that the running theme of each faction is that you saved them and eventually have to put them down.
>>317785716
>The fucking BOS in the west even sent people to clear out the east BOS but they failed
Where the fuck are you getting that from?
>>317785718
Didn't Maxson just flat out say that he wanted wanted to purge the ghouls also?
>>317785916
Danse wants to kill Nick and the ghoul companion in his swap dialogues. Also bringing Nick aboard the Prydwin is hilarious.
>>317767715
Nobody cares for the Minutemen becaise they consist of a black guy who gives you repeat quests continuously and a bad Rust minigame
Endgame Minutemen are walking around with shitty nigger-rigged Musket Rifles and flannel shirts. If the Minutemen could actually be built up into a pseudo-militant force I'd be ALL OVER that shit, but as is, they're garbage
>>317785716
It's shit writing anon
No one is being a lore fag here, we are just rolling our eyes how they made what was once techpile hoarders that didn't give a shit about up top beyond keeping shit out of their hands became Super Heroes for the people in 3 to Dictatorial marshal law police force in 4
It's fucking stupid and misses the point of the whole faction.
>>317785972
>Danse wants to kill Nick and the ghoul companion in his swap dialogues.
Doesn't he stop doing that once he realizes he's a Synth though? He stops caring about you killing Brotherhood when he does.
>>317785835
Megaton deserved to be nuked, cut out the cancer to keep the body alive
>>317785716
>>317785897
Out of his ass
>>317786210
Thanks to the Children of Atom in 4, Megaton most diffidently deserved to be nuked.
>>317785916
He means Ferals most likely. Ferals seem to be a way bigger issue in the Commonwealth. I'm sure he's still hardcore racist, but not RACE WAR NUKE THE ZOMBIES NOW
>>317786118
You're an idiot and missed the whole point of the WCBpS if you think they just up and turned Lawful Stupid on a dime.
It's called 'story development'
>>317785916
Yes
In fact in the quests where the kid was feeding federals you can find out that Maxson isn't even comfortable with locals born in the wastelands being left alive because he sees them as ghouls in the making.
>>317786119
Nooo
in fact he still dislikes supporting Synths in anyway.
>>317786328
There is a conversation wheel where you can ask him about ghouls
He makes it very clear he thinks they are a risk that should be removed
>>317786529
>Maxson isn't even comfortable with locals born in the wastelands being left alive because he sees them as ghouls in the making.
That's a fucking Enclave mindset.
>>317786696
It's the mindset of a young child
>>317786419
It's awful and pointless Todd
And you can't stand here and say 3 to 4 BoS(or WCBpS as you called them) adds up. 3 was building them as genuine protectors of the people
4 is just evil monarch that thinks what he's doing is the best for the people without letting them have a say in it.
Thank god there's no "karma" system in Fallout 4, because good/evil in the game would find ways to trigger everyone.
>>317786839
It's the mindset of a bad writer
anyone here read the fallout bible?
>>317787049
>imagine being part of the Minutemen
>"You gained Karma :)" every time you killed a Synth
>"You lost Karma :(" every time you killed a Brotherhood
>>317782209
But Fallout 2 is a good game
>>317786927
>4 is just evil monarch that thinks what he's doing is the best for the people without letting them have a say in it.
That's literally your opinion.
The stance of the WCBoS, especially Maxson's ideology, has developed from the views of the Lyons chapter, the Outcasts, and Maxson's personal perspective in a way that makes clear sense if you paid any attention in Fallout 3.
But apparently doing something with the Brotherhood besides just having them sit in a hole in the ground and play with their dicks is "bad writing"
Hell, even NV recognized that what the EC Brotherhood was doing was toxic and self-defeating, that was the entire arc of their story.
