>Fallout 4 has 60 base Weapons, not including throwables, not including mods.
>Fallout New Vegas has 130 base weapons, 209 with unique variants, not including throwable, not including mods.
>Fallout 4 has 24 different ammo types
>Fallout New Vegas has 28, which can all be modified at a reloading bench giving them all different properties, making the total number of different ammunition types around 110
>Fallout 4 has a dialogue wheel consisting of "Yes, no, maybe, sarcasm" and speech checks based on charisma that you can save scum
>Fallout New Vegas has the full sentence of what you're going to say, and has speech checks that go along with the speech skill that you can't save scum through, you're either skilled enough or you're not.
>Fallout 4 has 4 factions that affect the story and dialogue.
>Fallout New Vegas has 9 main factions that affect the story and dialouge, along with multiple smaller ones.
Fallout 4 isn't terrible, it actually improved on the gunplay, feels like a better shooter. But everything else is a downgrade.
>>317738867
"7 years of development" - Todd "The Truth-Speaker" Howard
>not counting legendary weapons as unique variants
Everything else is correct
>keeping this guy posted
>>317739465
>counting them as variants
>>317738867
>speech checks that you can't save scum through
I haven't played NV yet but how does this work? In fallout 3 you could just quick save right before dialogue and load it if you fucked up.
>>317740495
You can save before anything, I do it for all the terminal shit
>>317740495
In New Vegas you have to have a high enough Speech skill. so for example if you have 20 speech you can't pass a speech check that needs 25 speech skill. this prevents save scumming speech checks, like in 3 and New Vegas.
>>317740495
It's not a % chance if you'll pass a dialogue or not. It's a base "You need 80 speech/barter/cocksucking skills" to pass
>>317740956
Fallout 3 and 4, my bad.
>>317738867
This thread again, whoa!
>>317741072
This comment again, whoa!
I don't know why we have these threads every fucking dy since release. It's obvious the game is dumbed down compared to it's predecessors and it's only improvements are graphics, models, and gameplay.
>>317740495
If you buy doc, save before every convoys in dead money and old world blues in NC, buggiest shot ever... My brain kept repeating it self in old world blues and god wouldn't. End. The. Fucking. Sentence
>>317738867
Thanks for the not retarded OP, for once.
>>317740495
You don't have the skill level, you fail the check. Simple as that.
>>317740835
Wait, you don't just log out when you're down to one try ?
>>317741218
Way faster to load up another save
>Playing unarmed in New Vegas
>Block a shot then follow it up with a quick Scribe Counter
>Then stun them with a Khan Trick
>While they're disoriented, follow it up with a legion Assault
>Once they try to attack again, land a Ranger Takedown and stomp them in VATs
How can Fallout 4s unarmed system be so fucking terrible compared to NV when Bethesda had so much more assets to work with, even going as far as to let everyone except for you use special CQC takedowns
>>317740956
desu whenever these moments popped up, I'd savescum and then pop/equip every charisma boosting item I could.
>>317741072
Go away Todd. Your game is mediocre, flawed, and not something everyone is going to like.
Deal with it.
>>317741218
Also I use the little [ ] etc to get extra help, attempts, dud removal etc.
>>317741383
Loved Nv unarmed system
Let's. All be real, the wild wasteland perk in NV made the game miles better than 4
JINGLE JANGLE
>>317738867
So I've been replaying bot FO3 and FO:NV (both vanilla because fuck you) recently, and I came to a realization.
You can't play these games the same way. (Well, if you want to enjoy them, anyway.)
FO3 is good if you play with exploration in mind. The map's design is built rather well with that aspect in mind, letting you just wander off and see what you run into.
FO:NV is good for people who take things slower and want to interact with NPCs, Factions, and Communities more deeply.
FO3's factions and rep system is too shallow to play like that, and FO:NV's map is not built for open exploration, but with more of a path-to-path kind of exploration in mind (Hence why veering off roads is commonly a bad idea).
Although similar, these two game present different mechanics that cater to different audiences, and that is probably why people still fight over them to this very day.
>>317738867
Oh shut up Obsidioit!!!
If Fallout 1/2 were released today, they would be resounding commercial failures.
>>317743532
And mario would've been flagged as a linear indie pixel art platformer, what's your point you absolute mongoloid?
>>317743532
The idea of the Steam Engine was also a resounding commercial failure in ancient Rome, still doesn't mean its a bad idea.
>>317742352
>FO3 is good if you play with exploration in mind. The map's design is built rather well with that aspect in mind, letting you just wander off and see what you run into.
This.
>>317743532
Only because of their production values, which at the time of their creation were acceptable.
If they upped the graphics a bit and released them, they would make great indie-style games.
The majority of casual gamers these days praise style over actual depth, which is why /v/ has such a problem with Bethesda Fallout titles.
So, if you are trying to say that Fallouts 1 and 2 not selling well today makes them bad games, I would like to inform you that the website you are on is full of people who would care to disagree with you, to a rather harsh extent.
Since you seem to like the more stylish, shallower Bethesda games (I assume so, at least) I would recommend you go to sites that have similar functionality, like Reddit or Tumblr, as you would clearly not fit in very well here.
>>317745081
/v/ has a bad cancer, so don't refer to them as a credible source
>>317744868
I feel like this is kind of disingenuous since isn't most of new vegas desert and caves as opposed to a ruined capital city?
>>317745742
Good point
>>317745081
I'm not saying they're objectively bad at all, just that they wouldn't sell well. To that end, it makes more sense monetarily to make trash that sells well over something strictly better. At the end of the day Bethesda is a company, not an artist, who exist primarily for profit and creating good games is secondary. Thus, it's in their best interest as a game company to make shit that sells well since it just works, and is far safer than taking a risk and making something that could be better, but has the potential to bomb.
I don't think any rational person on /v/ would say Fallout 1 and 2 aren't better than the Bethesda games, but that their market is far more limited than the target audience Bethesda has.
>>317746659
Well played, friend. Well played
Did anyone play Autumn Leaves ? It's a mod for New Vegas, basically a very ambitious quest mod that takes place in Library Vault inhabited by almost sentient robots. Great story, great characters, super comfy, you don't have to draw your gun once and there are hours of content.
> DLC tier/10
http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/50146/?
I don't think the critics towards NV maps are fair. Sure it's a little less interesting to explore at first, but if you dig a little there are plenty of little things to find, I just discovered today that there was a path linking Helios One to Hidden Valley per example and many locations can easily be missed if you're not curious.
>>317741440
This. Always kept a Party Time Mentats in inventory for those 100 speech checks.
>>317738867
fine, but new vegas exploration will always be fucking shit
>>317743238
This is still one of the most well-constructed arguments to why Bethesda's Fallout is bad that I've seen.
>>317738867
>more means better
>>317744868
And yet I enjoyed walking around the Strip and absolutely fucking hated the metro. The metro was miserable
>>317749130
I'm planning on playing this right after I finish with the two official DLCs I have left.
Have you played it, anon? What did you think?
>>317738867
>Fallout 4 has stuff
>Fallout New Vegas has BLOAT and a lot of useless shit
Call me crazy, but I miss the metro tunnels.
daily reminder that Obsidrones will whitewash over Obsidian's inability to ship a complete product and will argue that the edge-lord content 0.01% of players will experience outweighs minute-to-minute gameplay
I like how you're all hating on the dialog wheel because "it only has four options" but 90% of the time in the other fallout games you had the same number of four options. it was only at random times that speech challenges would appear giving you a fifth option.
The only thing that i liked better of FO3 was getting 2 evil companions and the play as a slaver.
AND blowing megaton.
I LOVE NV but playing as an evil character was a very meh experience.
Caesar legion had very little quests and zones compared to NCR.
So far everything in Fo4 is a fucking downgrade, except the gunplay and modifying you weapons.
>>317738867
super misleading numbers, makes you sound like a faggot.
>>317745081
>>317743532
HOw the fuck can you compare? it is a 17 year old game...
Is like saying Doom 1 would suck today.
If Black Isle release fallout today it would be different in graphics and production values.
>>317743238
Now in video format!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw-sJW8mlMA
>>317752886
daily reminder that this is some "revisionist board history" bait.
Ok guys but answer me this, how the fuck can Bethesda make downgrades from their own fucking game?.
They had a bigger budget, more experience and supposedly more time(although lies...). How the fuck didn't they improve on the aspects that NV and FO3 did right?.
That was what fans were expecting, a mixture of NV and FO3 using skyrim graphics. Thats it, thats all they had to do.
Instead we get this fucking abomination of a game.
>>317744868
The strip was a piece of shit but you have to admit the DC metro was a fucking headache and a half.
>>317752535
I loved it. It's basically a comfy story/exploration mod in which you investigate the past of the vault, I wont say more in order not to spoil. I found the story itself very interesting, as you discover more, more parts of the vaults will be available and liked that it was character driven. As for how it plays, it relies on exploration and dialog, not on combat (not a single fight is required) exploration will be important because there's no key compass which is great. Also it is fully voiced by professional actors and it comes with its own soundtrack and I found both the music and the voices great. And it's at least 5 hours long.
So as I said, it's such a great work that I would consider it more as a DLC than a quest (even the ending slides are here !) and I would definitely recommend it.
Forgot to mention:
> Feels
> New Perks
> Lore Friendly
> Comfy
>>317752886
Alright bro, I'll bite.
I'll be the first one to point out that the minute-to-minute gameplay in NV (at least in the sense of the shooting) is shit. That is undeniable.
Equally true is that this is a direct consequence of Bethesda's engine and their utter inability to create compelling gameplay, hiding that behind theme park open worlds.
What's interesting is that even despite that NV is a really good game. It has a more compelling setting than 3 and is a very decent RPG complete with good dialogue mechanics and choice and consequence.
It's far from a perfect game, but it's a brilliant RPG.
>>317741383
>everyone except for you use special CQC takedowns
Like what? You can do it if you use crit.
>>317753736
But 4 is better than 3 in pretty much every way.
And the casuals didn't like new vegas. They would much rather have a voiced main character than more dialogue options.
>>317754006
I was going to play it before but now I'm looking forward to that even more. I was initially hooked when I came upon the intro trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCijaeSAXsE
>>317741169
HELIOS ONE.
GHOULS IN ROCKET
how about that, dreamboy?
>>317743238
excellent
>>317738867
>Fallout New Vegas has 9 main factions that affect the story and dialouge
kek
Obsidianfags are ridiculous.
>>317744868
? This is just a lie.
Omitted just about every location from NV yet mentioned every shitty one in F3? haha
Yeah okay but the world design of New Vegas isn't terribly interesting and there's quite a bit of railroading going on
>>317755117
Okay lets see
>Legion, NCR, House
All affect how the Mojave is governed. Roads and locals occupied by the losing factions are flooded with the victors.
>Khans, Powder Gangers, Enclave Remnant, Boomers, Followers, BoS
Affect each factions in their own way, either positively or negatively.
>White Glove, Omertas, The Kings, Van Graff, Crimson Caravans
Affect New Vegas proper, as well as any of the four main factions if you chose to use them as further enhancers of their power.
>>317755659
this. the story was more interesting that fallout 3 but nothing is actually interesting to explore. fallout 3 is basically oblivion. not in the 'oblivion with guns' aspect but that its universally shit on by people who have never played it even though it is the best in their franchise.
>>317756040
It only counts as "affecting" when you see it happen. You can't just say "thanks Courier, you really have made a difference around here" and then show no change whatsoever.
And I love NV. I think it's much better than 3 and 4. Hell, I just closed it to come to /v/ to find a Fallout thread.
The only times I can think of your actions actually changing anything, are helping some NCR camps. They'll send troops to other camps. So First Recon from Camp McCarren will hang out at Forlorn Hope once you finish the Fiend bounties, and that's the only thing you affect.
>>317738867
>Liking Obsidian games
/v/ has the worst fucking taste in everything.
>>317756589
*tips fedora*
>>317739990
>>317739465
OP counted "209 with unique variants" but Fallout 4 has over a gorillion "unique" guns with all the different mod and legendary combinations
>>317756276
Fallout 3 has some cute locations, like "what-if this place existed" ideas. Big Town, Republic of Dave (my favorite), Little Lamplight. Just places with gimmicks that you see once and get the joke and move on. None of them are societies working to improve themselves, their quality of life, or help anybody else. Megaton is complacent, Rivet City is complacent, it just feels like a silly world and not a serious place where people have to strive to survive. They walk around town, saying funny things, then going to sleep. They eat only radiated things, drink only radiated water, and will die having done nothing of importance. The East coast is FUCKED
>>317743238
10/10
>>317757147
is that a complaint? i infinitely prefer fun and imaginitive locations over "oh all locations are the same dusty flat wasteland". sure you could argue that nevada is like that, i fucking get it, but it isn't my fault they chose such a shitty and boring location to base their games off of.
>>317757039
Yeah but Fallout NV has mods as well. We all know the legendary weapon effects are fairly lackluster
>Freezing flamethrower
>Healing fatman
>Double barrel shotgun with unlimited "clip"
Literally magic
>>317738867
>Fallout New Vegas has 130 base weapons, 209 with unique variants
No, no it doesn't. NOT EVEN CLOSE to it. You can see this for yourself if you look at the actual wikia
>Fallout New Vegas has 28
The whole "Soft Point, AP, Normal" was fucking stupid, and almost no one even bothered with that shit.
>Fallout New Vegas has the full sentence of what you're going to say, and has speech checks that go along with the speech skill that you can't save scum through, you're either skilled enough or you're not.
The "Speech Checks" in New Vegas were fucking awful. For example, talking to Dynamite Pete. "[Explosives 29/30]" Can't do it because you're ONE point off? That shit was absoultely retarded.
>Fallout New Vegas has 9 main factions that affect the story and dialouge, along with multiple smaller ones.
New Vegas had THREE (3) (III) factions that affected the game. Ceasers Legion, NCR, and the Strip. No idea where the fuck you're getting 9 factions.
New Vegas was fantastic for it's time, and I still enjoy it to this day. Just wanted to point out a few things that were wrong.
Also, the biggest one being the weapons;
Most ARE variants of their normal gun, and you have to remember that there's 5 DLC to account for, in which one was solely based around adding several new weapons.
>>317758702
>Can't do it because you're ONE point off? That shit was absoultely retarded.
Why?
>>317758702
>I bought out as much 3/0 and 4/0 buckshot I could
Fuck you.
>>317758851
Because it's a hard limit on what you need to pass. There's no "Chance" of getting passed it like in other games. If you have super lower of a particular skill, it should be a percentage, like Wasteland did and Fallout 3.
Being super high in one of the SPECIAL stats I can understand, but things where it was based of the numerical value of the skill was dumb.
>>317758980
Nah, you're retarded.
>>317758702
>>317758980
>The "Speech Checks" in New Vegas were fucking awful. For example, talking to Dynamite Pete. "[Explosives 29/30]" Can't do it because you're ONE point off? That shit was absoultely retarded.
It will always be better than chance based shit which basically encourages the player to savescum it. Hell you can now even savescum during dialogue to make it even easier.
>>317757885
>>317739465
they're really not that good anons. at best you could ignore the unique variants or at worst count each possibly unique variant as a mod.
desu the legendary deal, it just isn't very good.
>>317759098
No, u
>>317758851
as loathed as I am to say it "its video gamey".
I do like how 4 makes it a percentage based. and if 4 had a proper skill system investing points in speech would increase it, or open up OTHER options other than "give me more money".
Then again with the dialogue system being so shallow my scenario would also be impossible.
So yeah both are pretty bad.
>>317759207
>Hell you can now even savescum during dialogue to make it even easier
I can't stop doing this either. I refuse to put up with this bullshit system so I will cheat whenever possible
>>317753323
>everything about that image
does anyone have that picture of some comment that said something along the lines of
>IT SAYS 69 GUYS!!
>THE SEX NUMBER
>>317739465
It doesn't matter since a lot of the effects are useless in comparison to overpowered ones like two shot. Shit balancing.
>>317758980
You, once again, just DESCRIBED HOW THE MECHANIC WORKS but offered no reason for WHY it is bad.
The only thing I'm seeming to get is that you dislike them because they limit characters who aren't able to meet their requirements from passing them instead of having a way of cheesing by them with save scumming or random chance, which is exactly the point of the system.
It's designed to limit what characters can do those actions based on their skills. Either special in your ROLE in a ROLE PLAYING GAME or don't expect to be able to excel.
The old system allowed any character to be able to pass speech checks even without bothering to specialize in speech.
>>317759275
>its video gamey
what does this even mean
you didn't explain shit about why you think it's bad
try again, junior
>>317738867
Before or After DLC?
>>317758702
>I didn't play NV at all, but I'm here to shitpost about it.
very nice
>>317738867
OH GOD CUM DOWN MY THROAT OBSIDIAN YESSSS
>>317758702
>No, no it doesn't. NOT EVEN CLOSE to it. You can see this for yourself if you look at the actual wikia
I checked, even with no uniques, no throwables, and no DLC, it's +100
>The whole "Soft Point, AP, Normal" was fucking stupid, and almost no one even bothered with that shit.
No, you're stupid. Anyone should be able to wrap their heads around the threshold-based armor system and ammo system.
>The "Speech Checks" in New Vegas were fucking awful. For example, talking to Dynamite Pete. "[Explosives 29/30]" Can't do it because you're ONE point off? That shit was absoultely retarded.
Yes, that is more retarded than putting no points into a skill and passing the hardest speech checks because your lucky.
>>317759503
Counting each weapon separately, with every single DLC released, every unique weapon, every GRA duplicate, and every thrown weapon, there are 262 different weapons in the entire game.
fallout 4 has 60 base weapons but easily more "actual" weapons, and I am not just talking about legendaries, in FNV, if there was a version of the laser rifle with a spinning barrel in the middle and it was automatic and looked a lot different than the normal laser rifle, it would be considered a different, unique weapon, most base weapons I'd say have about 2-4 "big" changes in how they fire, what they do and what they look like. mostly in the reciever mods. for example the pipe pistol can be a .45 weapon, it can be automatic, it can be a rifle with a pistol grip.
>>317761449
>fallout 4 has 60 base weapons but easily more "actual" weapons
Arbitrary, asspulled distinction to drone for Bethesda.
>ITT: Anon cries because he isn't allowed to perform actions outside of his character build
Oh man, I'd love to see this retard try and play DnD
>>317761449
Uhh
So, I've been using grognaks axe the whole game. Not the whole game but since 30 minutes into it when I found it.
Right now with my perks and level it does 130 damage.
I just got a legendary INSTIGATOR machete. It does double damage if the target is at full health. 138 damage. Then it reverts to 69 damage.
That's.. that's not a unique weapon. That's vendor trash. Like 99.9% of everything I pick up.
There are a handful of worth keeping variants, and they are pure RNG to get. Most legendary items you get are dogshit left leather pant legs and quest items far outrank them.
There's just no way around it. It's all RNG and not useful.
>>317738867
I know you're pissed about Fallout 4 anon, but for christ's sake, enough with the copypasta.
Whenever I talk to people about FO3 and NV, they say they liked 3 more. When I ask why, they tell me that NV felt more linear. I tell them the myriad of ways that you can go north or east then north if you don't want to follow the game's suggested route around. Then they shrug and say, "I don't know, man. I still think it's linear."
It annoys me when people don't even want to try and engage with a game's systems and mechanics in order to overcome obstacles and think everything should just be handed to them. Just because you can't pick a direction and start walking in it with very minimal resistance doesn't mean the game is linear.
>>317738867
what's that phrase? quality over quantity?
>>317758702
The shotgun becomes god teir if you bring along many different ammo types.
Sentry bots? Pulse slugs.
Unarmored shits? regular ammo.
Armored shit? Slugs.
Then you have the buckshots that just cripple cazadors and shit.
>>317762954
But NV has quantity AND quality
>>317762593
He would be worst than that guy. He will bitch that he couldn't use his imagination to visualized the game.
I agree. Fallout New Vegas is the best Fallout Game. But 4 does have the new weapon modification system. Gotta hand them that.
>>317762952
It didn't help that you can actually get to Vega by not being a pussy. I remember when I use to post in the Bethesda forum while FO3 was release and every time someone recommend Fallout 1 or 2 to these players, they had the audacity to bitch about how it's not a first person shooter or something along the line with that. When New Vega came out, they bitch about how buggy the game was ignoring how much worse it was at FO 3 release with its bug and how FO3 came with fucking Games for Windows LIVE.
>>317762952
>It annoys me when people don't even want to try and engage with a game's systems and mechanics in order to overcome obstacles and think everything should just be handed to them
>it annoys me when people don't go out of their way to overcome an unenjoyable game to try and make it barely fun
fuck off
IT JUST WORKS
>>317764893
BRAVO BETHESDA
R
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>>317764535
git gud
>>317764970
IT
JUST
>>317765602
WORKS!
>>317766052
have you ever vatsd in real life
didnt think so faggot
>>317766052
IT JUST WORKSSSSSSS
>>317766151
>blitz
Nigga I didn't know that skill was DBZ teleport 2fast2furious combat
>>317766052
Pssh nothing personnel kid *unsheathes powerfist*
>>317766052
>not punching the grenade
>>317766159
>that fucking dogmeat
Y)[Intelligence]Was that a dog?
X)I'M FREAKING OUT
A)Support dogs
B)HATE DOG
I'M FREAKING OUT!
A baby is drowning in the lake:
-Fallout 1
Ask for more information
Agree to help
Decide not to help
Accidentally say something that pisses the NPC off, failing the quest
Reveal too much information about yourself, causing the Super Mutants to track your vault more easily
-Fallout 2
Ask for more information
Agree to help
Decide not to help
Accidentally say something that pisses the NPC off, failing the quest
Pop culture reference about the baby
-Fallout 3
Yes, I will save the baby
Depends on the caps
I will not save the baby
[Intelligence] The baby is drowning
-Fallout New Vegas
I will save the baby
I will not save the baby
[Barter 30] Double the caps and I'll save the baby
[Medicine 30] Thanks to my medical knowledge, I will easily be able to save the baby
[Survival 15/30] Uh... yeah, I totally know how to swim
-Fallout 4
Yes
No (Yes)
Sarcastic (Yes)
Hate babiesSteam review is too big to screencap and I can't be bothered to stitch desu senpai
Buy my game you fucking nerds
>>317766052
>blade flurry
>killing spree
>>317755157
Think you misunderstand the chart, the DC Metro and The Vegas Strip are THE locations of both games. Like they're the hyped up places you want to arrive at and characterize both their games. Most F3 promo material had the DC Metro, most NV crap had the strip.
F3 was designed with the intent of having this interconnected metro system and it's really expansive.However for the most part there isn't really anything to interact with, The underworld is there and so is some plot related shit but otherwise it's empty as fuck.
NV has the strip which is only a few areas, but there's so much stuff in the areas and so much more depth in comparison.
>>317739465
This is exactly the response that Bethesda intended to produce by implementing weapons with randomized prefixes. The base number of weapons in the game is lower, because it would require more time, resources, and money to make more unique, diverse weaponry and integrate it into the game. By adding prefixes to weapons, it creates the illusion that each one is in some small way unique; ultimately, however, a plasma pistol that does an additional 50% damage to robots is still a fucking plasma pistol. Most people who play the game won't realize that though, and so you'll still see arguments months from now weighing the quality and quantity of weapons in 4 to NV and 3.
While you could argue that a lot of New Vegas' unique weapons have similar properties (the unique plasma rifle has faster refire rate and projectile speed, for example), they all have unique looks and character.Greased Lightning is the best and there's nothing you can do about it.
>>317758980
You do realize the game is full of items that can give you up to 20 skill points towards any one challenge, right? And that most of them stack? If you're really ever one point off, it's because the check is so far beyond your normal capabilities that no amount of aid can get you over the threshold. You're simply not good enough.
>>317751990
>>317741440
It's not really comparable though, is it?
In 3, you're gaming the system because it's random.
In NV, you're using your skill to its fullest extent; you might not know that you'll need to use CHR or Speech boosting items to get by, because frankly its a hassle to pop a mentats and put on your naughty nightwear every time you get into town.
>>317767091
thank you based todd for the click-to-crit mechanic!
what could be better than deciding when you crit?
>>317743238
0/10 autism overload.
IF anything, you should thank bethesda for keeping Fallout alive since that dogshit Interplay went broke.
>>317768930
moshi moshi baito desu
>>317767436
thanks gamebryoalso its nice seeing power armoor that doesn't loook 2rust4u
>>317769785
[Doubt]
I KNOW YOU'RE LYING YOU SACK OF SHIT THE TRUTH IS YOU HATED HER THATS WHY YOU BENT HER OVER, ENGAGED IN ROUGH SEXUAL CONGRESS, AND THREW HER IN THE TRASH COMPACTOR AFTER PUTTING TWO IN HER SKULL YOU SICK FUCK
>>317738867
That NV number is after 20 DLCs you god damn nerd.
Here's a fun exercise I came up with today: Say one thing you would improve in both Fallout 3 and New Vegas.
Doesn't matter if you hated both or only liked one, just pick a quest or aspect from both and say what you think would have marginally improved them.
>Children of Atom
Have repercussions for disabling the bomb/leaving it be. While there is the choice of getting karma for disabling it or detonating it, that's all there really is. What I'm talking about is farther reaching consequences. Such as the church of Atom splintering into a group of factions as the clergy disagree about their "god" being tampered with. Easily, you could have Cromwell experiencing a crisis of faith, while maybe someone in his flock turns to more extreme measures in the hope of "reviving" the bomb's power.
>Uniting the towns in New Vegas
This would tie into the many caravans/merchants in the game becoming a more organized network through your actions. For example, you could convince the NCR to establish a better route from each town in the roads to and from Vegas, but with a lengthy quest involving a considerable reshuffling in their operations to spare soldiers who can be stationed in each town to ensure the routes are all safe. On the flipside; you can choose an easier quest line by convincing the Crimson Caravan to take over, which would please the NCR since they're on decent terms. Meanwhile, yet another option would be convincing the Legion to set up ambush groups in every town to really fuck up trade for everyone but them and their allies.
>>317770242
>THATS WHY YOU BENT HER OVER, ENGAGED IN ROUGH SEXUAL CONGRESS, AND THREW HER IN THE TRASH COMPACTOR
>>317770242
>AFTER PUTTING TWO IN HER SKULL
necrophilia?
>>317771286
>Have repercussions for disabling the bomb/leaving it be. While there is the choice of getting karma for disabling it or detonating it, that's all there really is. What I'm talking about is farther reaching consequences. Such as the church of Atom splintering into a group of factions as the clergy disagree about their "god" being tampered with. Easily, you could have Cromwell experiencing a crisis of faith, while maybe someone in his flock turns to more extreme measures in the hope of "reviving" the bomb's power.
There are repercussions.
Since not nuking Megaton is canon, they spread out like fucking weeds and they're violently converting people to their dindu nuffin atoms are good boys religion in FO4.
Of course your choice matters little.
What happened?
>>317771574
I'm legit pissed about this. Such an obvious thing....
>>317771562
But they were shitty repercussions since disabling the bomb did little to the town as a whole except make everyone think you were Jesus Einstein, while nuking it was "oh my god, you're a terrible person"
>>317752886
Atleast Obsidian shipped a product that worked on release on their first time using the engine
Fallout 4 is buggy as fuck, and they have been using the engine for 15 fucking years now.
>>317771574
I've never actually played New Vegas. Is all the dialogue this cringeworthy, or did you cherry-pick for your argument?
>>317771892
>NV wasnt fucked up beyond repair before the modders fixed it.
jesus christ.
>>317771574
I never really minded that. It was still better than having 100 speech, and having it fail OVER AND OVER because of some shitty luck based nonsense that wasn't even tied to your actual luck.
Still, it would have been much more interesting if they had all been successful, but with lesser/greater results depending on the skill level.
So if you had 50 science, you're considered smart and can do a lot of shit. But if you had 100 science, you're a genius and can do accomplish things 50 science wouldn't have even dared to think of.
I've got a chainsword mod and a spess mareen armor mod, but I can't find a bolter mod.
Any suggestions? Should I just make a 10mm SMG with grenade rifle sounds and buttloads of damage?
>>317772056
Not really, but they are meant to be stupid if your skill isn't the required level
>NV
>you played it over 300 hours and beat it to death and still feel a void and instead ofletting goyou'd rather sit here and remind everyone how much better it is than 4
>>317771856
yeah, so its a good thing they got rid of all those pesky little "roleplaying" elements that let you actually roleplay dramatically different characters out. now its all nice and narrowed to a single possible result, so that EVERYONES playthrough is canon! god thats genius
>>317772194
There were nowhere near the amount of game ruining bugs like fallout 4 has. The only ones that it had on release before modding was involved was the saves being corrupted, which has been the case for every game using the engine.
>>317772506
I couldnt even play it before they fixed it and neither could a lot of people. it was literally broken before the 4G enabler.
>>317763275
All those guns with multiple receivers...
>>317772506
Not to mention a RARE occurrence for players.
I never had any of the bugs that were serious. Worst I had was the game getting slower as I played after a period of time, or outright freezing. That's it.
Anyone would take freezing over quests breaking without warning or the saves corrupting.
Are there actually people who paid any mind to ammo types in New Vegas?
>>317772056
The dialogue is just meme tier. Why do you think NV has so many fans ? Why do you think there are anons who are spouting shit like 'hurr patrolling mojave' and ' durr ave !' in every thread ? Its because of the hack meme dialogue, which shitheads like these on /v/ eat up.
>>317772663
Your point?
>>317772506
The only major glitch/bug I still see when playing New Vegas is occassionally the game simply crashing after more then 2 or 3 hours of continuous play with lots of mods.
>>317772845
4/10 bait me boyo
>level 20
>still haven't gotten to the strip
will i ever get there
>>317772845
>The dialogue is just meme tier.
>>317767725
AFTER 20 dlc's dipshit.
>>317773193
That can't really be something Toddy said
>>317773350
No shit, look closer.
>>317771286
I actually had a total rewrite planned for Fo3, as writing exercise.
>set game in 2136
>two act structure
>With the consolidation of the 50 states into 13 Commonwealths, the various executive departments, too, were consolidated into three single entities - the departments of War (defense, homeland sec, VA, State) Commerce (Ag, Treasury, Labor, etc.), and Law (justice, interior, etc.). This decision caused what is essentially bureaucratic clusterfuck. To set things straight, three ZAX supercomputers and massive underground facilities housing them were created to better manage the new departments. This worked surprisingly well.
>By 2074, the computers received more and more administrative functions. Commerce plotted economic models and drafted construction projects. War came to control an automated civil defense force. Law wrote bills and processed cases. For once, Washington worked.
>There were problems, of course. War became increasingly hawkish. Law was prone to fits of arbitration. Commerce had a tendency to siphon and launder funds for God knows what. Regardless, it was clear the computers had developed quirks. Human quirks. Vicious quirks. And so a human element was re-introduced. They computers were shackled, to an extent, given less leeway. Right as an acceptable balance was reached, the world ended.
>43 years later, a group of scientists from the Rivet City Union, an up-and-coming settlement-state relying on hydroponics, mirelurk farms, and dedicated teams of fearless scavvers, managed to break into the heart of the heavily irradiated DC ruins. In search of pre-war tech, they restored power to the War Department's complex in attempt to better navigate the building. After almost half a century of hibernation, a heavily damaged War awoke.
>>317773151
Just savor it until you get there, because it's honestly a pretty underwhelming experience.
>>317763271
Add shotgun surgeon and "And Stay Back!" and you basically ARE God.
>>317773151
You can go there any time
People who like what Obsidian did with Fallout New Vegas have no clue what real game development is. Anyone who likes FONV is biased against FO4 because they dont understand what gamers really want. Fallout 4 breaks the 4th wall and revolutionized open world RPG gaming
>>317773654
How long do I have to play before the RPG parts start to kick in? I've been playing for ~5 hours and so far it's basically just a generic fps
>>317773407
Then why bother with the picture of him, retard?
>>317773785
about 10 hours.
>>317767063
This is 100% accurate
>>317773830
Thats a long ass time for an essential part of the game to kick in anon.
>>317773480
it's been pretty fun so far i just wanna finish all the quests first
>>317773654
^a million times this!
>>317773825
>retard?
Yes, you are a retard.
>>317773654
6/10 bait
>>317774034
Excellent shitpost, kid
>>317738867
>t actually improved on the gunplay, feels like a better shooter.
As an RPG? That's the problem I always have with this, is it a better shooter... and does being a better shooter make it a better RPG? Because even if I agree that Fallout 3 sucks, AT THE VERY LEAST if I put no skills in Small Guns AND ALWAYS USE SMALL GUNS, then I wouldn't want to be able to do very good at shooting.
It is a better shooter in aiding roleplaying, or is it just a better shooter outright?
>>317767063
it's rleady been doone
>>317774124
looks more like facts to me, you butthurt obsidrone? Go back to that shitty company that has no AAA titles like Bethesda who is a proven leader in the game industry due to their innovation in the art of game design.
>>317773414
Bravo, better than Fallout 3 by miles.
>>317774365
2/10
You're supposed to try HARDER, not lesser
>>317772196
I liked F1/F2 where you can't see what skill or whatever requirement is needed. You just played the game and saw a new interaction and learned it was tied to how you built your character.
>>317774225
>misses the context
>makes a strawman
>calls other shitposters
>kid
>>317774446
spoken like a true obsidrone
>>317773414
Say, isn't it in Fallout 2, you can talk to a super-computer and it'll say that the machines caused the war because they were bored? Something to that effect?
>>317774551
I didn't make a strawman. If anyone did, it was you with that shitty twist of my post calling you a retard, you retard.
>>317773414
Fuck that sounds cool. keep going
>>317773414
Stop it with the good ideas, you are going to make me sad.
>>317773965
its a long ass game.
>>317738867
new vegas has no random encounters and hardly any combat, so theres nothing to use all that ammo on. fallout 4 has easily 50 times as much content.
>>317774721
>I didn't make a strawman.
Man I thought NV's map was dull.
It took me 10 minutes to walk from the western most edge of the map to the right in 4, and I only ran into a couple of bloat flies and molerats. Nothing else.
Why the fuck is this game being praised in most places?
>>317773414
You've legitimately got a future in this. Don't stop.
>>317774658
There's a ton of possibilities. It's said that Chinese jets were near US soil at the time shit went to hell, but implications America made the first strike. Some ASSUME aliens did it since they were attempting to get launch codes and brainwash key figures. Hell, the movie that they were going to make at one point suggested it was the Vault-tec people wanting to kickstart things instead of having their vaults sit around waiting.
>>317774293
you cant. you need the perks in fo4.
>>317773825
Are you fucking blind?
>>317772056
THose are dialogue when you are not skilled enough, they are basically there to show to your interlocutor that you are a retard about that subject.
>>317774848
Well I didn't. You have no proof.
>>317773414
>>317774410
>>317774760
>>317774821
>>317774878
>War was not happy with the situation. What little intelligence it could gather revealed the city was crawling with secessionists. It attempted to contact its fellows, but heard nothing. It requisitioned data from Commerce indicating production had dropped an abysmal 99.9999987%. Under parameters from Law's archive, it declared a state of ultimate emergency. Truly, only War could salvage the Union.
>But how? Why, with its re-purposed "civilian defense force" and a propensity to establish work camps for "captured combatants!" With phasers set to stun, small squads of robots would venture out into the wastes to abduct settlers, dragging them back to irradiated factories where they'd produce yet more robots before dying in agony.
>In two years' time, War Machine and his battalions of mechanical slavers became a scourge of the wasteland. In two more, it had contracted out some of the more organized raider gangs as "Private Military Corporations," acquiring assets and managing camps further from the city.
>It even offered some honorary citizenship, the esteemed upper crust of its burgeoning dictatorship. Now that it had people to govern and protect, it set about creating an actual economy. The more distant slaves were offered "secondary citizenship," and received "store credit" in exchange for their hard work. Mass-produced goods now rolled out of the factories, cheap trinkets and canned, irradiated food among them. Money was printed from repaired machines bearing the stern visage of long-dead presidents.
>It seemed as though War Machine might actually have a chance at creating a civilization of its own.
>>317775028
>Well I didn't.
>>317774860
saying the map is empty is ridiculous. Is every negative comment going to be total bullshit itt?
>>317774983
You can't stop trying to samefag it, junior.
>>317775028
He wasn't talking about Todd in the first place, you gigantic autistic mongoloid.
>>317775120
>implying (You)
>junior
Sure thing, kuso kun.
>>317775105
>can't prove him wrong
>better just call him autistic
Spoken like a true 4child.
>>317775214
No reason to be angry, sport.
>>317775215
>can't prove him wrong
>him
*You* missed the context, made a claim I never said, and then say you didn't make a strawman around that imagecap, you baby? Hilarious.
>>317742352
Thank you for summing up the difference. The games are made with 2 distinct ideas and some people will like one more than the other. Some people like going on an adventure and finding shit then moving on, some people like the constant interaction with people and events.
It's like The Next Generation and DS9, they're both good, just in different ways and people should understand that you can like both for different reasons and not go looking for the same thing in each.
>>317772760
>RARE
Yeah
That's what I read before I bought the game. I'm 15 hours in and I just fell through the ground when I used vats.
>>317742352
I replayed New Vegas recently and my biggest gripe was the shooting. For all it's faults, Fallout 4 has really improved the shooting. It's still not perfect, but at least it's a lot better
>>317775375
You can say I made a strawman when I clearly didn't.
>>317775480
Who was talking about Todd from the image screencap? Not me.
So what's this I hear that companions are not marked on the map if you tell them to wait?
>>317775424
The fact remains that not everyone was experiencing glitches out the ass like some idiots spout all the time. Not like FO3 was without its glitches
>>317775391
Shit cant stand ds9 it was a soap opera dressed up as sci-fi.
>>317775570
Yep you have to use a console command to get them back sometimes.
>>317775536
And asking why they used a picture of him in the cap isn't a strawman
>>317775391
Except one is Fallout and one isn't Fallout.
They shouldn't fucking call it Fallout if it doesn't appeal to what the original was. This isn't a silly television series with a billion spinoffs, this is one series that accidentally got cancelled.
And the guys who picked up the IP claim to be fans, but aren't. Your fans of Star Trek The Original Series are writing Deep Space 9 but fucking it up because they don't grasp what makes it star trek
>but you can STILL like it
and people can STILL like what it was, point out where it was wrong, and try to convince others that there are better games in the series.
>>317775578
But that's why it's so good too, becuase it takes the strengths of typical drama shows and have episodes for that and some sci-fi episodes and then mix it up sometimes and the times they blend together, they do so oh so well.
>>317775116
>total bullshit
It takes 15 minutes to run from one end of the map to the other, and you encounter next to nothing back and forth.
Every other thing is buildings with gouls or mutants in them, or some small raider camps.
Nothing else. Don't be a fucking drone.
>>317772194
>>Beyond repair
>>modders fixed it.
>>317775657
>That's not something Toddy would say.
Where was it implied I said or implicated Todd said what was said in the screencap, you backpedaling loser?
>This is what John said
>That's not something Tom would say though
You are an idiot.
>Criticize FO4
>"O-Obsididrone!"
>show how it was a downgrade and even 3 respected skill checks among other things
>replies immediately stop
>>317775763
I hate soap operas man. Its not good to me.
>>317775578
You better not be talking shit about the masterful acting of Rene Auberjonois
>>317775116
Try running from on end of the map to the other. Tell me how many encounters you run into.
It'll only be 2-3 bland enemies in a run.
I'm just explaining what happened when I tried, and saying it's total bullshit just shows how butthurt you are that this game's map is even shittier than NV.
Yea but unlike new Vegas it's actually FUN
>>317775726
Franchises don't have to do the same thing ad infinitum. And fallout was arguably more about exploration and adventure originally than interconnected plot lines. It's pretty much monster of the week with vague references to the "main" story that appears 3 times in the season before season 2's villain turns up.
>>317775875
You're the only idiot here. I asked that couldn't be something he really said, since people have been prone to misattributing things to him to make him look more retarded than he is. The screencap contains quote that could easily be associated with him since it has a picture of Todd in it. That's not strawman in the least, you damned fucking imbecile.
I like FONV just as much as the next guy, but comparing games based on number of weapons is fucking retarded.
Personally I hate the somewhat new trend of games having dozens and dozens of guns (taken to the logical extreme with borderlands, of course). What the fuck is the point in having 20 different assault rifle variations? I preferred it when games just stuck to the bare necessities. Pistol, shotgun, assault rifle, sniper rifle, RPG, etc. Maybe a couple variations where there's actually a difference, like an automatic shotgun vs a sawed-off double barrel.
>>317776005
nigger the map is full of buildings and places. its got more than nv did after 20 dlc's
>>317776159
You made the mistake, you made the fallacious claim. You are the only imbecile here, you backpedaling autistic shit-eating liar.
You brought up a subject (Todd) that I never said in my post, and went from there to snowball the argument to this point. You are a fucking moron.
>>317775860
>wahh the map is full of explorable locations! i hate exploring in an rpg!
>new vegas' flat desert that goes on forever is 100x better! i love invisible walls and swarms of cazadors stopping you from going where you want without cheesing the game!
>>317776134
Maybe so, but there still have to be reason to everything. You can't just do "episodic" stuff that has no purpose, not when previous seasons clearly had connections between every episode/town. As that one screencapped image way above shows, many places in FO3 and 4 feel like theme park attractions; just there to be a spectator to and then have nothing else of value after the first thrill
>>317776159
If you are literally too stupid to click on the image to enlarge to see its a screencap from youtube of a upvoted "comment" with the user's screenname clearly depicted that's your problem.
>>317776273
>>317776347
He's talking about enemy encounters you fucking drone.
>>317776464
who gives a shit. Theres a place full of enemies almost every 10 feet.
>>317776317
>you made the mistake
Asking with clear disbelief isn't a mistake, jackass.
>fallacious claim
Asking if something is true ISN'T a claim, that's literally the opposite of a claim, you retard
>you backpedaling autistic shit-eating liar
I didn't backpedal, and you're just clearly angry at this point. You dense brat.
>>317775080
>dragging them back to irradiated factories where they'd produce yet more robots before dying in agony.
Silly, why not just use robots to build robots?
>>317776380
Sure you can, arguably the original point of fallout would be better served without a main storyline.
If they want to give you some stuff to go explore and have a good time there's nothing wrong with that, especially if they insert something interesting into it.
I mean, fallout's main point could be argued to be nonsensical due to evidence mounting up that people behave the exact opposite of how they do in fallout when shit gets real. (look up anything from the siege of Sarajevo)
>>317776409
And you're clearly too stupid to see how that still doesn't explain posting an image of Todd since it had no relation to him. Your problem is you want to be right about something that really doesn't fucking matter.
>>317776634
Sentrybots and Gutsies make for bad construction workers. Besides, that's where the Dragon comes in.
>>317776725
>still talking about Todd
You are an idiot. There is no going around this, there is no evading this, you are too fucking stupid or lazy and jumping at nonsensical arguments never made because you want to believe it was attributed to be about him and it never was.
You are literally a strawman argument abusing faggot.
>>317776347
Are you trying to say 4 has no invisible walls?
Also I'd prefer swarms of cazadors to these swarms of literally nothing.
>>317776464
of which new vegas has almost 0 aside from conveniently placed cazadors. running from bolder city to the strip is 10 minutes of nothing. 4 has packs of enemies outside almost every location, unless you run along the top edge of the map purposely avoiding everything you'll run into enemies constantly
>>317776571
>who gives a shit
Wow I wonder if you're a drone..
>>317776725
Autism
>>317772506
New Vegas was broke on PC at release and needed a dx3d dll file to convince the executable that it was running some other video card. Otherwise even with the best video cards the framerate was erratic. 60fps to 30fps with drops to a slideshow whenever NPCs were on screen. Digital Foundry's face off mentions this problem. It took a couple weeks to push a proper fix
>>317776876
It's still not a strawman, no matter how many time you misuse the damn term. I wasn't even talking to you when you posted the damn thing about meme tier dialogue or whatever you on about. I just asked if it was really something Todd said. it's your fault for acting like such a shit about a QUESTION.
>>317776932
>actually defending 4 over NV
Is this buyer's remorse?
>>317775941
Because there's just no defending that. The worst parts of Fallout 4 were removal of skills, karma, and the introduction of that horrible dialogue wheel.
>>317776725
Its a screencap of a youtube comment, from a Bethesda stream, with Todd speaking. The image of Todd has nothing to do directly do with anything specifically.
The focus is on the youtube poster, you are either intentionally baiting at this point or seriously deluded. Its a textbook example of FO3 fans having no experience with the rest of the franchise.
>>317777128
Nice bullshit.
>>317777042
elven beam toe
Is there a technical reason that this game was not released SLI/Crossfire ready?
I'm never stacking GPUs again. Too much bullshit for what it's worth. One high end card from now on...
>>317777195
It's not bullshit to point out a question can't be a claim.
>>317777128
>I just asked if it was really something Todd said.
That's why I ask, are you too stupid to click on the image?
>>317776932
This is complete horse shit. I always ran into enemies in 3 and NV, and I've been playing 4 for over 30 hours and I've only encountered 3 deadclaws.
>>317777171
>nv has a better story that means EVERYTHING IS BETTER FUCK OFF SHILL
seriously the map in new vegas was shit, i don't know how anyone could defend it
>>317738867
>Fallout New Vegas has the full sentence of what you're going to say, and has speech checks that go along with the speech skill that you can't save scum through, you're either skilled enough or you're not.
That's not exactly true
>>317777332
That's hardly the point. But please, keep asking instead of letting the fuck go already.
>>317777425
>NV has a better story
>>317777425
That's completely subjective, though. Plenty enjoyed the desert wastes compared to the bland hills of DC
>>317738867
>Spot the absolute lies and dishonestys: The thread
I like these.
>>317777531
>That's hardly the point.
That entirely is the point. This was completely avoidable if you weren't dumb enough to actually avoid the image and jump from there, you retard.
>>317743238
Why do I always miss these great posts?
>>317777752
No, it really isn't. It was just a question, and yet you had to take it this far. My answer is irrelevant because I know you're going to just act like a smug ass regardless of what I say. So how about you just fucking let it go already and stop beating around the bush, alright?
>>317775080
>Of course, its civilization came at a tremendous cost. DC proper was bombed to shit, as everyone expected. While most above ground buildings were reduced to a couple of concrete walls and vacant windows, the city's extensive underbelly survived. Here, its now ghoulified citizenry thrived. Relatively speaking, anyway.
>In DC's central station, they had created Underworld. Part town, part monument to the world they mourned over, it stood as a testament to human resilience. A ghoul named Gypsy founded his own company of caravaneers, scouts, and scavvers, the Dead Gypsies. Trailblazers of the Tunnels and wanderers of the wastes, they walked through the world without fear.
>That is, until, War Machine got wind of them. To War Machine, these...*creatures* were disgusting, subhuman monsters infesting its city. And so it sent its tin cans into the irradiated ruins to exterminate them. They did not expect this, and have been fighting a losing battle ever since.
>Elsewhere, a combined force of robots and raiders have besieged the fortress-city Ba'am on and off for the last six months. According to War Machine, it has come into possession of incredibly valuable hardware belonging to the U.S. government. And, indeed, it has. The settlement's zealous stewards, the Defenders, religiously worship an undetonated nuclear warhead.
>Their staunch defense of the nuke and the tremendous "shell" they built around it have made Ba'am a popular settlement. The Defenders rake in "tithes" while traders rest and refuel. Scavvers pick over the scraps of the town itself, once Springvale, and an enterprising engineer has built an impressive water purifier.
>But, now, the booming town's future is in jeopardy. The Defenders, though dedicated and fearless, are poorly trained and equipped. War Machine is ruthless. By the time you arrive, Ba'am is on its last legs and the bots are preparing for one final charge, ready to breach the shell and turn the place into one giant work camp.
>>317777960
>It was just a question
A question that would be resolved from spending literally all of 1 second clicking on the image, you lazy stupid sack of shit.
>>317743238
>Heck, Codsworth even addresses you by name - you played any game that offers that?
Pretty sure millions of games have fucking done that before
>>317778030
And this is an argument you could have just walked away from, but clearly didn't because you're either a child or too tired to be talking with other people. So, kudos to you. You win at whatever the fuck this whole thing, I guess.
>>317778178
Nah, don't try the holier then thou approach, faggot. It takes two for this dance and your stupidity in being unable to perform a simple task isn't my problem.
>>317778257
And you haven't been playing the holier angle at all? Yea, no. The moment you ask someone if they're stupid for a simple mistake, you're already playing the "I'm better than you" card, no matter what you may think. Again, just fucking drop it already.
>>317778257
>>317778178
>tfw watching these two anons fighting like a pair of schoolyard bitches
thanks for the laffs family
>>317743238
>Cod say you name
He doesn't have [Charname]
>>317778080
Do you think Bethesdrones play good games?
>>317778448
>can't click on an image
>tries to shift the blame back
How long do you want to keep doing this? Because I have all night.
>>317778530
Hardly important, how can anyone think that's unique when loads of games have preset names that the NPCs will say?
>>317778080
Fuck even Grid 2 does that
>>317778582
What blame? You're the one who apparently wants to keep going at this like some obsessed retard. As I said, confirming or denying your question isn't going to matter. If you really can't let it go after all of this, then you're the one with a problem.
A little off-topic, but what do you guys think of Wasteland 2?
>>317757530
Yes you underage fug
>>317777425
I think the map of New Vegas was better because it actually felt like a world, like a real world.
I don't need tons of visual clutter on the screen. New Vegas' world was better, mate. It felt like a real world, a world that made sense, a world that felt alive (and before you start >alive, I'm talking about the world making sense. Putting 9000 enemies in the world isn't making the world alive).
>>317777023
what I mean by that is I dont give a shit what he's talking about because he's full of shit.
>>317778503
He has Dicklips though.
>>317777636
But the map of NV is literally copy paste houses with nothing intriguing in them. Its boring as fuck
>>317778790
Looks pretty cool, and it's neat how they went back to it and made a lot fixes for the Director's Cut. Namely, that shoddy looking character editor isn't as PS1 looking
>>317778741
>can't click on an image
>>317778891
>copy paste houses with nothing intriguing in them. Its boring as fuck
Sounds like 4 outside the dense city area.
>>317778891
And the DC wastes didn't have copy/paste housing structures?
Hey got a question. There's a glitch with Boone's recruitment quest where if I put on the beret the game crashes. What do I do?
>>317778975
>being this obsessed over a question
Seriously, you just have to leave it be, anon. Nobody really cares about it except you.
>>317779120
>can't click on an image
>"nobody really cares about it except you."
>>317773414
Wtf man
Go make me fallout 5
>>317779189
It is only you who's this concerned over it. Do you really have nothing better to do? Like talk about the games? Or another game? Maybe even play one?
I feel like a NV playthroughafter doing two in F4and I'm thinking ahead about what mods to use.
Has anyone tried this shotgun mod before?
http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/35681/?
>>317767725
>Greased Lightning is the best
The first time I used it I uppercut a Freeside thug backwards ten feet into the air. So I'm going to have to agree with you.
>>317777982
>Further south, the First Families are dismayed by a sudden scarcity of potential laborers. Former inhabitants of Vault 92, an experiment in servility, they've created a slave state of their own. Genial enough and always welcoming towards outsiders (especially traders), they've carved out an impressive (if not oppressive) little fief.
>The wasteland is a harsh mistress, however, and they cannot afford to be as luxurious or discerning as their historical predecessors. They take slaves of all stripes and work them near to death. Unable to maintain stable birth rates or prune death rates, they require constant raids and trades to maintain their relatively tremendous economy. Their crops feed half the wasteland.
>Now, that tenuous ecosystem is in jeopardy. Their now-unsustainable labor model threatens the entirety of the free Capital Wasteland, regardless of how they feel about slavery. While War Machine hasn't gotten around to them yet, no one doubts it will eventually turn its armies south.
>>317779310
Believe you me, I'd love to.
>>317779364
>Its only you who's this concerned over it.
That completely explains why you are still trying to get the last word in edge wise, trying to save face, and deflect from being the idiot who can't perform the simplest of tasks.
Keep it up, I won't stop until you do.
>>317779023
DC did. But evrry house had interesting loot/structure, something engaging.
NV :
All the caves/caverns - literally copy pasted with different creatures
several shacks with nothing of note inside apart from minor loot
several safehouses
Nothing interesting anywhere.
The mojave wasteland is so boring for exploration, its clear that the writers spent no time on designing it.
>>317757039
legendarys are not uniqe varients
you can get the same item a million times ffs
>>317779497
I don't care about the last word. I'm just saying you should let it go. There's nothing to admit, but if it is indeed the last word, fine. I don't care, since only childish people care about "the last word"
>>317779625
>I don't care about the last word.
>>317779506
No, it didn't. Many of the houses were the same thing with either different paintjobs, or lack thereof. The caves were also the same ones reused in Vegas, so that's kind of a moot point. And plenty of, if not more locations in Vegas had interesting things to loot from as the DC wastes did
>>317759593
oh bethedas yes! yes! Dp MY ASs Todd, Pete! mmm yes
>>317779739
I don't, but please, do continue to be smug about something nobody really cares about. We have apparently entertained at least ONE person while others have ignored the whole thing.
>>317779869
>I don't
>>317779506
This is how you spot a fucking manchild.
>wew this house has unexplained loot! and this world makes no sense at all, but it is fun!
Literal manchild. Go back to playing Nintendo games, kid.
>>317779921
>Go back to playing Nintendo games, kid.
Fuck off, retardatron.
>>317779971
I guess I win.
>>317779998
>>317779921
lol get a room you two closet homosexuals.
>>317780017
What floats your boat
>>317780073
This does >>317779869
>>317753774
Bethesda has created perfect realism, then.
>>317779921
And what do you expect from a video game mr autismo ? Extreme reality ? Maybe you should get out in the real world for that. But tit would require crawling from your moms basement first.
>>317779747
Name 5 interesting NV places which had no relation to the main quests. 5. I can *easily * name 10 from 3.
The fact is that people blame the DC to be consisting mostly of metros while conveniently ignoring everything else. I guess its just a meme to hate Fo3 these days.
>>317779506
>All the caves/caverns - literally copy pasted with different creatures
Which ones? If you mean the texturing, that's a crime of EVERY Bethesda game, not just one made by an outside group forced to use their programs.
Even then, they're all pretty different in some regard. The den of feral dogs outside Goodsprings is pretty much one large area with two little alcoves. The one with possible super giant rat is more windy, with a few dead ends. And the Deathclaw one is considerably cramped
>pic related shits on all the writing in Fallout 4 and it wasn't even a fucking quest
also dat rifle
>>317780189
Does what?
>>317775860
Are you being serious? When i walk into 1 direction i run into raiders, ghouls, mutants or other monsters every 30-60 seconds, maybe you went to the literal edge of the map and walked that route? Fallout 4 is 20x more packed in that new vegas.
>Trying to do the You're SPECIAL! Dogmeat trick
>(Sad Whimper) after like doing it only a few times
Why the fuck?
>>317780438
Proves your self-defeating stance.
>>317780305
>cramped
>different textures
These dont mean different caves.
The truly distinct caves from NV were
>the cave from the vault with sulphur
>the cave in the mountain with lakelurks
>the bloodborne cave
All others were just rehashed shit.
What pisses me off is not that these are rehashed, every cave cant be unique, but that people hold this as a valid point while saying hurr NV had more areas. Filler areas =/= more areas. After a while, theres nothing fun left in exploration at all, you just go 'oh another cave, another 100 exp, better move on'.
>>317780301
Does that include or exclude the DLC locations?
If we're going solely by the Mojave
*Black Mountain
*Jacobstown
*REPCONN test site
*Lonewolf Radio
*Sunset Sarsaparilla HQ
If we can include DLC location:
*All of the Big MT
*The Siera Madre from Dead Money
*The entire Divide
*Zion's Cliffside areas
>>317781052
Vault 11!!
>>317780715
I didn't say anything about them being differently textured, just that they were the same as the ones in FO3, and I can assume Oblivion since both games used its engine.
And again, the same argument can be made of the DC wasteland, not just mentioning the Metro
>>317780593
It really doesn't. But again, do continue to be cute and obsessed.
>>317743238
As ass as Bethesda's writing in Fallout has been, there were a couple of side stories in 4 that I enjoyed. I liked the stuff with Covenant and the Compound, the Silver Shroud questline was fun, and I actually liked having Nick around. Though I'll concede that these really only work as vignettes rather than parts of a cohesive whole, which is one thing this anon seems to be getting it.
I'd also like to say, however, that while I agree that 3 suffered due to diverging from the focus on society and the rebuilding and nature thereof that pervaded Fallout 1, 2, and NV, I do think that Fallout 4 at least tries to take some steps back in that direction -- even if it doesn't handle it very well. The two primary factions at play, the Brotherhood and the Institute, both have drastically different ideas as to how the post-war world ought to carry on, and you're given the choice of either accepting or rejecting one of those ideologies. And I think the whole synth/human divide was probably the most interesting theme in the game since it raised, even if only for a sharp, ephemeral moment, questions of humanity, identity, and what it means to be a human -- and I'm a sucker for that sort of stuff in sci-fi (Ghost in the Shell, Blade Runner, etc.). And there was a genuine sense of paranoia among many of the Commonwealth's inhabitants that stemmed from this issue.
That being said, however, I always got the impression that you were supposed to side with one faction or another -- and that there wasn't much room for disagreement or personal interpretation. Like, in New Vegas, if you didn't dig House, the Legion, or the NCR (each of which, I might add, is far more fleshed out than the Brotherhood and the Institute in 4), you could always just go rogue and carve out your own vision of what the post-war world ought to be. (cont.)
>>317780301
All of the factory like building were the same. Some were dark, while a few were decently lit.
>>317743238
>>317781417
Moreover, the human/synth divide, while conceptually interesting and rife with possibility, ultimately falls short. I'll first concede that my enjoyment of this part of the game may very well be a result of my own personal biases affection for the subject matter and the themes and ideas connected thereto. I enjoyed the test that Covenant was developing since it reminded me of the Voight-Kampff test from Blade Runner/Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. I like the core questions identity and the essence of humanity and the soul. So again, it may very well just be that I would have ended up enjoying all that anyway since I'm a sucker for that sort of stuff.
But then, it does a nice job of giving multiple perspectives on the issue and subjecting you to different characters with different relations to and views on the issue. Like, you see all this shady shit that the Institute does with Synths, but then there's Nick who's a total sweetheart and loads of other synths out there who have no trouble integrating into human society. But then, while this is something that comes up again and again over the course of the game, it can't really save the rest of the game since this isn't the core thematic focus of the game. It feels like one disparate component in a big, disjointed mess of ideas that don't really mesh together. You've got your synth/human stuff over here, your rebuilding the world stuff over there, and your long lost son somewhere on the horizon. There's a lot of overlapping to these parts, but not a sense that they really mesh with one another. It's a weak way of putting it, I know, but it's like one in the morning out here and I'm losing steam.
But yeah. Ramble that nobody asked for, but there you go.
>>317780559
Its because he knows you are cheating and feels bad for you.
>>317781370
>It really doesn't.
It does.
>>317781538
Then we agree to disagree, how about that? Agreed?
>do any quest in FO4
>instinctively think about how different (better) it would be with the same premise but with Obsidian designing it
>>317781612
>We
You're here, still replying, still trying to get the last post in over the simple inability you had not being able to click on an image.
There is no embarrassment here for me.
>>317781052
Plant vault (22?) is great, too. Spooky spore beasts, AER prototype, igniting the ventilation, etc.
Reppconn HQ was pretty neat as well, being able to bypass the robot security with different skillchecks was neat, and the Plasma Modulator was a really neat unique.
>>317779485
>One fateful morning in October of 2136, War comes to your Vault. Under orders from the Overseer, the security team denies his raider emissary access. He is not dissuaded, and proceeds to set up camp. Two days later, a man with extensive mechanical augmentations arrives and begins tinkering with the outer control console.
>The security team attempts to repel the breach, but fails miserably. Most are killed, while the rest are incapacitated and detained. The "mercenary corporation" tasked with "extracting valuable assets" march your fellow vault dwellers out into the atrium before proclaiming the new order of things. Bots gun down those who protest. After "order" is restored, the mercs begin processing you and your fellows. Enter character creation.
>The actual system resembles vanilla New Vegas, with the caveat that skills cost double to raise beyond (governing SPECIAL * 10). Tagged skills halve SP cost. Not much else to it; NV had a pretty good system.
>Your forms filled out, you're marched out of the Vault. On the way out, you're given multiple avenues of escape. You can talk your way into returning to your dorm before hiding, you can rewire a bot to create a distraction, you can beat your handler to death and flee, and you can flatly sneak away.
>No matter what, you wind up in the bowels of the Vault. Eventually, another rebellious dweller bumps into you, and you attempt to escape through the caverns beneath the Vault. You do, and find yourself in an otherwise unassuming bunker. You and your compatriot exit the building to find yourself in the middle of the wasteland, with a town off in the distance. Here, you can either venture out together, part ways, or have one of you scout out the town. The bunker serves as an early player home if the player so desires it.
>From here, you start the first act of tracking down the rest of your Vault and avoiding the bots tracking you.
And so it goes. Feedback appreciated.
>>317743238
Seriously fuck this game, I think I've spent more time trying to get it stable then actually playing it. Just stopped playing after my reload kept causing me to fall out of bounds into this whirling ball of death. Should I even keep trying to play this shit?
>>317781727
As I said, I don't care for the last word. My continued response doesn't contradict that. If I want to keep responding, I can. You said pretty much the same thing yourself.
>>317781052
Excluding DLC lol. NV DLC was atrociously done despite the great storylines.
And as for your post
>Black mountain
This area is only filled because it has a quest associated with it.
>jacobstown
Decent
>Repconn test site
Main quest location.
>Lonewolf radio
ok, but again, poorly executed. The location is cool and all, but theres nothing more to it.
>sunset sasparilla
Decent.
Fo3 locations
-springvale
-andale
-republic of dave
-Dunwhich
-Nuka cola plant
-hubris comics
-plunger diver
-lincoln shrine building
-the radroach kings location
-agathas house
My point is, locations outside quests offered something of note in Fo3, which made exploration extremely fun. NV has nothing like that.
>>317781956
>I don't care.
Then why are you still responding?
>If I want to keep responding
Then you keep defeating yourself, neat for me.
>>317781879
Seems interesting, but I do get the feeling of the evil computers being too similar to Skynet (the Terminator one, not the FO2 reference), and the AIs from MGS. But that's more of a personal outlook more so I guess
>>317782142
Whatever you say, sweetheart.
>>317782275
>sweetheart
>>317782181
I was actually basing them more off of the Calculator from Tactics than anything else. There are definitely parallels with just about every malicious, dominating AI, though. Nature of the genre, I suppose.
>>317781701
new vegas was shit though
bad music, invisible walls, and no cool atmosphere, not to mention it was a fucking 2edgy storyline with no clear good guys or bad guys.
>>317782128
>This area is only filled because it has a quest associated with it.
You only main quests. It still counts.
>Decent
Ok?
>Main quest location.
Not exactly. You can skip it and it will not affect the main story in any way. You can either just beeline to Boulder City, or even weasel the information from Manny instead of helping him
>ok, but again, poorly executed. The location is cool and all, but theres nothing more to it.
This can be said of a lot of locations, in both games
>Decent.
Not really much of a response.
And what was atrocious about the DLC locations? Beyond Zion from Honest Hearts, the other places were quite distinct and full of interesting places
>calling NV's DLC bad after shit like Mothership Zeta and Anchorage from 3
>>317767710
>the DC Metro and The Vegas Strip are THE locations of both games.
No, they aren't. That would be the National Mall.
>bethesdas insane focus on the pc being a vault dweller
fallout 5 will have you as yet another vault dweller because they can't write any other origin story
I am sick and tired of fucking vaults there are a million other things you can be
Of course Bethesda continues the trend of making all the unique and cool outfits utterly useless and un-upgradeable. Why would I use outfits like the Grognak outfit and the Companion outfits if I can just bump a dress to absurdly high DR
>>317753736
because they do not care. They assume that no matter how shallow and shit they make their game, it will still sell millions and be incredibly well-received, and they're right.
>>317782724
>tf2 posting
What is this, 2009?
>>317782363
>no clear good guys or bad guys
is that a bad thing?
>>317782724
>TF shit
>>317758702
I wish I could hate you to death
>>317783037
>KLK
What is this, Twenty-Thirteen?
>>317758980
The "chance" thing was worse, though. It made no sense having 100 speech and it failing OVER AND OVER
>>317783286
Check the post time m8. They're less than a minute apart.
>>317782730
MZ wasn't that bad, though some areas of the ship could have been more "alien" in design instead of just futuristic crap
>>317783348
>less then a minute apart
>with image replies
So two different posters.
>>317783449
It takes only about 30 seconds unless you've done a lot of back-to-back posting.
>>317783512
Not my post from before.
>>317783512
give it up fag you not making any significant difference in identifying who samefag and who is not.
>>317783564
>>317783586
Stop to yourself, me!
>>317783512
No, it always takes a minute after an image response.
>>317783680
What?
>>317738867
Agreed, im on my second unarmed agility luck run and my main gripe is;
>3 yes that is three unarmed weapons! (boxing gloves, powerfist and knuckles) four if you count the powerarmor fists
so basicly my weapon progression is
>get knuckles from random raider at lvl 2-3
>get some upgrates going on (aka choose armor penetration or bleeding effect)
>at lvl 10 with a few mines and Preston kill the swan to get the best unarmed weapon in the game (one of the three unique unarmed in the whole game thnx tod)
>at lvl 13 get three useless lvls in blacksmith to make said best weapon also do energy dmg for no reason
and thats it...weapon progression for the whole game.
also
>all three unarmed weapons are medium (aka same speed your actual fists have) the only difference is the damage
>ty tod
>also where the fuck are my thowing weapons at you lazy scum
cant wait to do a charisma run....
>>317783778
I'm me, so that makes you not me!
>>317782614
it seems you ignored the last point of my post. NV has some cool locations, but it still feels empty and boring compared to FO3.
Some cool NV locations
-crashed vertibird
-nuclear test site
-devils throat
-matthews animal husbandry farm
>>317782730
NV's DLC was horrendously executed. It felt like a hack and slash game most of the time. The characters and plots were solid, but the actual gameplay was excruciatingly bad. (lonesome road was great, old world blues was the best)
Also fuck you , operation anchorage was awesome. Mothership zeta was pure dogshit.
>>317783057
not that anon, but I felt it was a case where there was no clear purely good guy, but there was no reason to go with the legion.
From an in-game perspective, most of the shit you want to get to is in NCR territory so pissing them off does fuck all. At least in my playthrough, the legion patrols tended to get assfucked by NCR, especially as things escalate.
The powdergangers suffered from this too, there was no reason to suffer all the backlash from siding with them.why did the NCR think that giving a bunch of criminals access to tons of dynamite while cheapening out on the guards would be a good idea?
>>317758702
>New Vegas had THREE (3) (III) factions that affected the game. Ceasers Legion, NCR, and the Strip. No idea where the fuck you're getting 9 factions.
Except nearly every other faction has to be interacted with in some way to complete ANY of the 4 possible groups you choose to go with. They ALL want you to do something with the Brotherhood of Steel. They ALL ask you to investigate the Boomers. And they ALL tell you to sort out the Three Families before you can move onto the final quest.
>>317738867
fallout 4 dlc weapons pack calling it now!
>>317783984
>old world blues was the best
You can't complain about shit gameplay and call OWB the best. OWB's gameplay consisted of walking between facilities to grab items you had to do the same puzzles over and over again to upgrade, with periodic interruptions by bullet sponge roboscorpions.
>>317784167
Hes just baiting anon no need to take it seriously
>>317738867
my two main gripes with FNV was the Laser tommygun (why) and the greasegun being a 9mm smg.
>>317784317
>Laser tommygun
what is wrong?
>>317783984
3's DLC was horrendously executed. It felt like a sack of shit dumped on the player most of the time. Anchorage was drivel and the same shit the entire game over, The Pitt or Broken Steel, I can't remember was basically a retcon of the ending and extension of the game but go ahead and justify that tripe or dogshit canon breaking tripe like Mothership Zeta too.
>>317783984
Except the locations I mentioned were something of note without being immediately tied to the main plot. Hell, even when they aren't critical to getting an ending, visiting them and completing some of their quests does add more to the ending than what can be said of the ones in FO3, which often felt tacked on since you just see a still of whatever good/bad thing you did there.
And really, the only NV DLCs that were hack and slash were Honest Hearts and Dead Money, the latter of which forces you into a situation where you're scrounging new equipment after being captured
>>317738867
I like this post, Anon.
I haven't played 4 yet, but from what I've seen, if you mixed the best of 4, NV, and 3 you'd have a pretty damn good game!
>>317784258
Brother I love New Vegas as much as the next Obsidian dick suck but The Strip was criminally overhyped and underdeveloped.
Either way that's a retarded comparison because that's the whole of central DC vs one chunk of New Vegas. Someone should remake it so it includes all of the DC area (which includes bits across the river a ways and areas south of what that map shows) and all of the New Vegas area (which includes all those slums and the surrounding area). Then we can really get into the shit flinging.
>>317780301
>Name 5 interesting NV places
All of the Survivalist's caches
Repconn Headquarters
Sunset Sarsaparilla HQ
Camp Searchlight (I don't think its related to the main quest, could be wrong, never did an NCR run)
Black Mountain
Vault 34
Cap Counterfeiting Shack
H&H Tools Factory
Lake Mead Cave
The Thorn
Several locations in Big Mt (I'm lazy)
And most importantly:
Vault 11, one of the best vaults
>>317784454
I think its a stupid idea for a gun and I want a real tommygun.
>>317784894
Have you even played the game?
>>317784474
Not him, but Anchorage was really the only truly terrible one. Even though they were going for a generic shooter angle, they failed to make it memorable by pissing on the genre or at least something decent.
Point Lookout had a cool location, but so many were spread far apart that it was easy to get lost and either bored with the trek or annoyed with the overpowered feral reavers who can fucking tank a goddamn mini-nuke because fuck the players, I guess.
The Pitt was a mixed bag, it had a few cool ideas to it, but most of the areas were just to push you towards the giant steelmill with the critters they later reused for the Tunnelers in Lonesome Road.
Broken Steel had a good idea making the ending not completely end the game, since plenty of people like playing after they complete the story and not having to make a save before the main-quest lockdown.
Mothership Zeta's only real problem is feeling too samey with the areas after the first two or three checkpoints. Either just sleek halls, or strangely industrial looking parts of an alien vessel
>>317784894
The .45 auto is a tommy gun
>>317784684
Or, just not make shitty images like that.
>>317785030
>Anchorage was really the only truly terrible one
There is nothing justifying Broken Steel or Mothership Zeta at all.
>>317784190
At this point I really hope they add a fuckton of weapons, clothes and armor in the dlc
>>317784120
>why did the NCR think that giving a bunch of criminals access to tons of dynamite while cheapening out on the guards would be a good idea?
Same reason why they hired Mr. Fantastic, they're incompetent as a whole, with soldiers complaining they could do better if higher ups weren't involved.
But yeah, other than a few people saying how Legion made traveling safe, I wonder how Obsidian would make them look good if they had more time though, all I know is that they planned a town aligned with them, and Ulysses was a Legion companion.
>>317784559
>add more to the ending
how faggot ? The locations you mentioned are all tied to side quests and are some of the major locations in the game. The major locations have aofcourse been well designed, but the fact is rest of NV has so many filler and dull locations that exploration is absolutely wreary outside of visiting a few good locations.
Add to that no random encounters and all you do is listen to the radio on repeat.
Dead money, honest hearts and lonesome road were hack and slash, OWB was the only one different.
>>317784474
Anchorage, point lookout were great. The pitt was decent. as was broken steel. Mothership zeta was absolutely bad. IMO.
>>317785030
Anchorage was shit but it wasn't the buggy tedious boring samey mess that MZ was at all.
>>317785124
BS allows you to keep playing beyond the story and just fuck around, nothing wrong with that. Though the area where you get the tesla weapon was pretty cool, and airforce base with the Enclave was kind of neat. Though I couldn't stand it since the console versions of FO3 kept shitting the bed with stutter when going that.
And MZ had some cool ideas with the frozen people from various eras, since you could then kill them and wear their shit.
>>317785173
>Obsidian did this with only 10 months of time
BETHESDA JUST WORKS
>>317785235
>Anchorage
>great
>>317785009
I spent a lot of time fucking around.
I was really hyped for the Legion because of Van Buren, then I met Ceaser and realized there was no content.
I forgot about the .45 auto, was it a DLC item? I loved Dead Money just because I could us the BAR.
>>317785372
that image doesn't include side quests and unarked quests either
>Obsidian defense force defends the game that literally copies the gameplay of Fallout 3 which they hate
>They actually believe that because of the story, one game is shitty while the other is GOAT.
>>317785372
Again, in my opinion. It was certainly better than fucking dead money for sure.
>>317785519
I know.
>>317785557
Wow a story in an rpg makes a game good, who would have thought
>>317785235
>how faggot?
Nice to see you can be such a pleasant person when others offer their counterarguments.
Anyway, the notion of the many Mojave areas being "filler" is subjective at best. It's funny that you mention this especially since roughly all of the places you mentioned for FO3 are filler and could be considered dull depending on the person.
And no, Lonesome road wasn't hack & slash, it was very much about shooting. HH also had plenty of shooting since you could get guns right off the bat. Dead Money is the only that actually forces hacking and slashing since the Ghost people are otherwise invulnerable. Which makes it a problem only the first time going in, or not reading up that a high melee skill level is needed for it.
>>317785372
>>Obsidian did this with only 10 months of time
Well no shit, NV is just a mod of FO3. They didnt build anything from scratch.
>>317785586
eh well thats too bad really since your opinion is just that.
>>317785586
>It was certainly better than fucking dead money for sure.
LET
GO
COURIER
>>317785557
Bethesda had them use the same engine and assets as FO3 and gave them 18 months to crank the game out.
>>317757039
That's because the unique guns in New Vegas are actually unique whereas the only "unique" weapon in Fallout 4 is the automatic laser musket.
>>317785258
Anchorage was more buggy than MZ. At least MZ offered something to do than just heading for the bridge.
>>317785557
>le confused negro meme
>>317785586
Dead Money was awful but by the curve of standards of 3's expansions, its still a cut above even though in terms of simply the sheer amount of content alone.
The worst of NV's expansions are still more fleshed out then 3's.
>>317785653
A mod with more content then the base game.
>>317785586
Oh you done it now boy
>>317785653
They built the damned dam
>>317785653
>They didn't build anything from scratch.
They did, and fun fact: Bethesda shirked from their QC duties with NV too boot.
>>317785723
Considering that "something" was traversing identical hallways with your boring companions while fighting identical enemies, MZ really doesn't have much going for it in that regard.
It doesn't help that the story is the least creative thing Bethesda's ever done.
>>317784721
Most of those aren't really quests, like Don't Tread On the Bear or the main faction quests which is just 'do the same thing, but report to a different faction leader'.
>>317785902
>Bethesda shirked from their QC duties
>a whole bunch of the negative reviews of NV on release complained primarily about the bugs
>>317785738
I liked Dead Money. It delivered the linear gameplay that balanced out the open world of the base game. It was FO3's Point Lookout equivalent, but was executed better at all pointers.
Also,I glitched my way to getting all dem goldbars in the last boss fight.
>>317785956
The idea of aliens isn't exactly exclusive to MZ or FO3 in general, you know. Even then, some of the audio files were pretty interesting, especially the ones with the experiments on people
>>317786106
Remember that Obsidian didn't get their bonus because of Zenimax's/Bethesda's clause for the game's total metacritic score barely missed.
>>317785738
Not that guy, but I think between the two games Point Lookout is one of the best expansions, and Dead Money is solid at least. But the problem is I feel like there isn't a single expansion for either game that is without some fatal flaw that keeps it from being fantastic.
>>317786106
>most reviewers marked down the game in their review for being buggy, sometimes going as low as 8 because of it (something they mysteriously didn't do for the even more buggy Fallout 3)
>the game was one point of metacritic score away from Obsidian getting their bonus
>Bethesda literally cheated Obsidian out of money
>>317786014
Which is the same with Fallout 3's more limited quests with its own "factions".
>>317786240
I figured Broken Steel did the best job of not fucking something up.
>>317786134
The problem is that they took an appropriate trope for the series and did very little with it. It's a really basic straightforward alien abduction story with very little to offer.
It's just amazing to me how they seemed to get more creative with their action FPS DLC than they did with their wacky aliens DLC.
>>317786240
I'd say that Lonesome Road is pretty damn tight. If only because it's incredibly tough even when on high levels/skills, and the mounting odds as you battle things like the deathclaws, tunnelers, and scorched men. Granted, the overall story of it with Mr. "BEAR AND BULL" can be a hit or miss for people
>>317786269
fallout 3 wasnt more buggy are you nuts? Is it always just verbal diarrhea from NV nazis?
>>317786240
>I feel like there isn't a single expansion for either game that is without some fatal flaw that keeps it from being fantastic.
but old world blues exists
>>317786594
It was more buggy if you played it a day after release. New Vegas was broken at launch but got tons of patches that fixed most of the biggest issues day 1 and constantly fixed more issues throughout the life cycle, whereas Fallout 3 got patched in typical lazy Bethesda style.
>>317779506
>But evrry house had interesting loot/structure, something engaging
oh FUCK off
>get the best weapon in the game 3 hours in
>feel like I ruined the game somehow
>NPCs like Magnolia will comment on your body slider type
Thought that was interesting, at least
>>317786727
I just find it hilarious someone thinks FO3 didn't have copy/paste areas as well
>>317786240
I'd say when you put it in those terms, The Pitt comes out on top. It's nowhere near as good as DM or OWB but it was pretty fun and had nowhere near as memorable bullshit moments. It was just kind of average.
>>317767710
>>317744868
Why is everyone forgetting Freeside, Westside and the imminent surroundings of Vegas? It isn't just "the Strip". People saying New Vegas is underwhelming just mean the Strip is underwhelmingand it is for fuck's sake fuck parity across platforms I want a proper strip on PC
>>317786716
bull fucking shit who the fuck do you think your talking to faggot.
>>317786607
It wasn't bad, but those bulletsponge roboscorpions, and having go to through the high school three times and hear about how "JIMMY. LIKES. BALLS.". The lack of enemy variety in general didn't help either (but those trauma harnesses were spooky as fuck). At the same time, there were some solid as fuck characters.
>>317786574
I think Lonesome Road has the opposite problem of Honest Hearts; the journey is pretty awesome but the writing is shit, whereas in HH the writing was fantastic but it just felt flat otherwise.
why is she so perfect?
>>317787005
fo4 has way more locations. and that map you show is after 20 dlc's.
>>317787008
lol calm down kiddo your not impressing anyone with your big boy talk.
>>317787005
People often cite The Strip being underwhelming as one of New Vegas' shortcomings, but it's at least twice the size of any town in Fallout 3.
>>317787120
Fallout 4 has 1 fucking town unless you waste time on the autistic base building.
>>317787108
that looks like shit
>>317787008
Except it's true
>>317784684
>strip overhyped as fuck
That it was. But at least after raping it I could afford all those shiny body upgrades and that made it worth the trip.
Still, only 3 or 4 functioning casinos? Bullshit.
I feel like The Thorn and Freeside should have had their own high stakes underground casinos. With some goddamn poker or Russian Roulette in it besides just blackjack and regular roulette.
Also with House saying he stopped 70/80% of the bombs, a lot more of the strip itself should have been intact and a lot more of the city areas inhabited and functional as a center of commerce, industry, and trying to get the world a bit more unfucked which would have given Caesar a bit more and better motivation to take the whole thing. Also I forget if he mentioned it or not, but he could have stuck himself into House's machine and lived a few hundred years and fixed his head cancer or whatever the fuck he had.
>>317738867
>this much bait
>calling the shitter spin off better
quit smoking in my town faggot. Also how about YOU FUCKING NIGGERS LISTEN TO THE NPC AND PICK YOUR DECISION BASED ON WHAT THEY SAID. god damn niggers just clicking thru the game i swear. the only bad thing about fo4 is the stupid perk system they straight up ported from skyrim.
other than that 10/10 would return nv before beating it because it was so bad again.
>>317787120
The DLCs add exactly 1 marker to that map and it's not even in the highlighted area.
>>317787005
>I want a proper strip on PC
http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/38056/?
http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/46355/?
>>317787005
>I want a proper strip on PC
Download the fucking mod, you dong
>>317787187
dumb shit. one giant town. with more locations vanilla than nv got with all its expansions.
>>317787273
nice bait
>>317787120
Why do people keep saying 20 DLCs?
>>317787221
its not though. I preordered the shit and it took almost 6 months before they made the ram fix which I couldnt even play it without becasue it crashed constantly.
Do mentats even have a point anymore?
I've yet to run into a single skill check in F4.
>>317787432
its whats listed on steam. still fo4 has way fucking mroe locations vanilla.
>>317787252
>Still, only 3 or 4 functioning casinos? Bullshit.
Okay I get behind most of the complaints for this game, but why the fuck do people want MORE casinos? The the 6 we get in-game (5 of which you can gamble in) are decently to well fleshed out and by the time I broke the bank in the last one, I was burned out on casinos. If anything The Strip should have had a larger variety of buildings.
I get that luck is a huge theme and gambling minigames are supposed to be a selling point but I feel like more casinos would just be pointless.
>>317787537
they might be in the converstation choices but ya mentats dont really seem to have a point now that I think of it. Unless its true that more than charisma helps in conversations. well thats not true actually they are a base ingredient for some very useful flavored versions.
>>317787537
Exp boost?
>>317787547
I find that hard to believe. And even if it's true, it's probably going to be mostly extra quests with only maybe 2-5 of them actually adding new locations/going somewhere new.
But beyond that, who cares if one has more or not? If they're not collectively interesting, quantity can't top quality in that case.
>>317787547
There's 6 total, stop smoking that wacky tobacky before you decide to troll on 4chan.org
>>317787309
>>317787298
I have that, it just removes the loading screen, not exactly the issue in the SSD/Quadcore+ age.
>>317787714
I meant to say more inteliigence helps in certian conversations.
>>317787724
stop shitposting anytime.
>>317786727
>>317786832
Got any better response than HURR FUCK OFF you dumb obsidiandrone ?
>>317787608
Really, they just need more fucking games. Far as I recall, it's just roulette wheels, slots, and caravan. You'd think they could have at least given each casino its own themed game to give more reason to visit each other than running them dry
>>317787740
theres a bunch that are from pre ordering and whatnot.
>>317787724
>nv
>quality
nice try
>>317741383
using melee against any low health opponent will be a takedown.
>>317782363
>Wrong
>Fallout 3 didn't have invisible walls
>Being a fucking ranger, bringing justice to the wastes, isn't cool
>2edgy when compared to Fallout 3
>No clear good guy or bad guys is a bad thing
Holy shit, I am actually convinced you're underaged.
Look, I enjoyed Fallout 3 as well, must've sunk 1100+ hours into it without mods, but don't fool yourself. New Vegas is the better game, you just got tired of their similarities and only retain the good memories of 3 because it introduced you to the games.
>>317787904
>caravan
Finally learning how to play that shit was the best decision I ever made.
>>317787874
How is assuming the mostly likely outcome shitposting? Name at least 3 games where it had 10+ DLCs that weren't just minor addons for quests/clothes/item/weapons.
>>317787876
Nothing in my post was remotely "Hurr fuck off Obsidiots" or whatever. How about you TALK to people, you mongoloid thundercunt?
>>317787383
One giant town that's smaller than The Strip
>>317774658
It was heavily
>implied
I don't recall ZAX ever coming out and saying it. It just... distinctly sounded like it.
hows your power armor garage coming along, just finished mine and can fit a maximum of 14 in it
>>317787994
ya because it was so easy with just a few extra cards you couldnt loose. It was like pickpocketing but you could get caps instead of a booger rag and a bullet. It might as well been cheating.
>>317787946
Compared to 3? I would say so. The only really interesting places in FO3 were its vaults, and even they all felt like one big gimmick after another. The only one that's even remotely disturbing is the music one where everyone went insane from the noise.
you know none of you asshole could have made this game better, so i dont know what the fuck you guys are complaining about. go make your own fuckign fallout
oh wait you cant
peace faggots
>>317785557
>Story in an RPG doesn't make it better
>Small gameplay changes like the skill system and better perks don't make it a better game
>A better world doesn't make it a better game
Please.
>>317761449
Use a full stop you bumbling retard. I know you can use the period key, you fucker.
>>317787874
lol what a fucking faggot you are anon he states a point and you write it off as shitposting like a little bitch.
>>317788125
Not always. Some of the AIs are outright cunts
>"Oh, I'm no good at this game"
>Literally throws Jacks at you whenever it can to make you discard a good track
>>317738867
have you ever made a game?
>>317786316
Is there a single quest that's like "Don't Tread On The Bear"?
>>317788139
tod please
>>317788025
I told you you could stop shitposting anytime nobody thats played the game believes a word you are saying.
>>317777777
>all this shitposting contained in one thread
>all these people seriously replying to blatant shiposters
>>317787932
not in NV
>>317788190
he's shitposting becasue he doesnt know shit about what he's trying to argue. Its a biased little nv faggot that doesnt even have the game or even bootlegged it probably because he has a toaster. and you defend him like the faggot you are.
>>317787876
3 and NV all have copypasta'd interiors, as does 4.
Just saying 3 doesn't is extremely retzrded.
>>317787979
game play was weaker because a lot of it focused on companions who had shit AI. But the story telling and lore was much better.
Anyway, I thought this was nifty
>>317788441
There was that Courier's stash or whatever, with the vault suit armor and canteen. But that was about it. Everything else came along with one of the story DLCs, or that Gun Runner's thing
>>317788510
as does 4
Shitpost: the thread.
>>317743238
Late reply but I have to say the isometric combat is shit, Fallout 1 and 2 have really awful gameplay despite being amazing games. It could have been improved but I really cant stand top down isometric games.
>The same illiterate person shitposting because he can't believe that people like New Vegas more than 3
Anon, you must be really unhappy to get so upset when people don't agree with you over a video game.
ITT
>>317788510
Which is what I said. But apparently saying something that could be construed as negative towards 3 is apparently an insult to Obsidian to that guy... what?
>>317788591
theres that bullshit linear u turn you gotta do if you played vanilla. It like they literally drove the rout and sat around eating hotdogs at each locationg thinking up the story.
>>317788551
>because a lot of it focused on companions
You know it's more than possible to complete the entire game without even talking to any of the companions right. Just because they were more fleshed out than FO3 companions doesn't mean they were a required asset.
>>317788608
I've seen the same diner and bar interior 4 times, the same house interior about 8 times please fuck off.
>>317788642
You wasted all this time and missed over 70 posts, dingbat
>>317788686
>He's so bad at the game he can't steal a stealth-boy or just hoof it north straight to New Vegas
Every time.
Why can't we dual wield in Fallout 4?
>>317788686
>linear
>hurr durr the game is punishing me for trying to explore and i don't know how to use my brain long enough to leave the road
>>317788686
At least it's not "go anywhere, don't worry, the enemies won't be too strong unless you're strong"
>>317787994
After giving caravan a thorough chance I realized that I could have been playing the game in the time I wasted.
>>317788743
Not gonna change the filename to please your autism m8 next time you post it instead of bitching about it.
>>317788746
If you go straight north, like north of the Doc's house, you'll die no matter what without some forethought about where you're walking
>we'll never get bethesda world building with obsidian writing
>>317788591
Thank you, anon. That's kinda cool.
Okay nit-picky question here but why the fuck is the Capital Wasteland 98% boulders? How the fuck did that make any sense to the dev team? Did they think nukes would just cause new landmasses to spawn from the ground fucking everywhere?
>>317788863
the only autism is your need to name it after this thread's number of posts and images when you could have gone for something more clever, or just nothing at all and just posted it.
>>317788746
cheesing straight to vegas? if its even possible the game is more trash in my eyes. I bought that shit vanilla and was very dissapointed with the content it was literally 10 hours. fo4 is way longer than that even if you run straight through the main questline and ignore most of the content. I'm talking about vanilla here to be clear.
>>317788976
lol
>>317788904
I've done this in every playthrough but my first.
There is nothing stopping you, with an understanding of the game's mechanics, from just working around it. There is no hard kill wall, only you being fucking retarded and unwilling to try.
>>317788919
why would I want a bethesda world?
>>317788979
I doubt that. And no, taking the risk to reach the strip instead of taking the safe route is hardly trash. It's actually something that takes some skill since you have to abuse the AI in those places so you can run past everything that's clearly more powerful than you.
>>317788979
>I bought that shit vanilla and was very dissapointed with the content it was literally 10 hours
>>317789125
That's why I said FORETHOUGHT you illiterate trog. Try reading next time instead of just assuming I was saying "BUT IT"S HARRRRD"
>>317788979
You're clearly just an illiterate retard who can't form a coherent sentence, let alone enjoy a good game. Fallout 3 and 4 are perfect for you, and I fully understand why you prefer them, now.
>>317788979
I played Fallout 4 for about 20 hours before I got fed up with the shittiness of it, but I was about 80% of the way through the main quest and I hadn't even been trying to do it.
>>317789175
The world of Fallout 4 has very interesting locations, more so than obsidians worlds. If they worked together they'd create an amazing game.
>>317789178
well I know that because I have played both stop shitposting anytime.
>>317789190
it was. You probably never played vanilla they way you talk about the game. Almost all of the content came from the dlc's.
>>317789254
dude calm the fuck down its embarressing reading the tripe you type.
>>317789254
>Can't spell
>Uses forethought incorrectly, or extremely unclearly
>"No, you just don't UNDERSTAND what I MEANT!"
>>317789258
>I cant read.
theres literally 2 comma's missing.
>>317789323
>it's shitposting to point out that it's not trashy to try something dangerous in the game
Yea, whatever kid.
>>317789342
You're the one who blew up first, brat.
>>317789323
>Almost all of the content came from sidequests and DLCs.
FTFY
>>317789412
You're just doing this to upset me, now.
>>317789294
never played the game : the post.
>>317789381
I didn't misspell anything. And I didn't misuse forethought. But whatever, keep trying to act like you're the only one right.
>>317788591
>look at the area on Google Maps
>little places like nelson, jean, sloan, and that substation north of HELIOS are real and in the correct general areas
>all of the major roads are fairly accurately placed
>that bigass dinosaur made of scrap actually exists
>sandy valley is probably the rough location of The Divide
This shit is wild to me, like seeing the Cathedral of Learning in The Pitt.Even if they completely failed to reproduce the surrounding areas or interior with any accuracy at all but it's the thought that counts I guess.
>>317789440
not even related to your convo m80 I'm just pointing out how silly you look right now, just stop for your own sakes.
>>317789528
Yea, sure you're not. Whatever, sport
>>317789519
There's a copy of New Vegas on display in the Prospector Saloon in Goodsprings.
>>317789440
its shitposting because you doubt a fact that you would know if you played the game.
>>317789487
no you didnt.
>>317789587
okay then buddy for your sake I will say that I am so long as it will help to let you sleep better tonight.
>>317789517
You're the one throwing a bitchfit because someone prefers a game with different mechanics that appeal to their taste, while passing yours off as the right one, as if you were some well-read critic that deigns to visit this place to impart your wisdom upon the unwashed masses.
>>317789658
Yes, I did. Just because you don't take the time to explore outside of the main plot doesn't mean shit.
>>317789515
it did kid I hated fallout nv before all the dlc came out. I couldnt believe how short it was.
>>317789679
I didn't do anything of the sort. I simply said you can't just jog to Vegas with considering where the really dangerous enemies are. Hence the use of forethought. I didn't say anything remotely about "NV is the better game"
Christ, you dense people sometimes.
>>317789658
No it fucking isn't. It's not shitposting to point out the FACT that it requires skill and careful playing to avoid the powerful enemies as you beeline for Vegas. Stating that is not, and cannot be considered shitposting.
Stay wrong.
>>317789756
I did every sidequest I could find. What are you even talking about.
>>317789943
the shitposting I'm talking about is towards fo4 dipshit I obviously know you love new vegas and its the best game in the fo series in your eyes.
>>317790041
>implying this isn't the truth
>>317790041
And I didn't say anything to indicate that I was shitting on FO4. Jesus, you must be a troll if you're this insistent of me shitposting when none of my post even mentioned FO4.
>>317789820
You're killing me.
>>317789960
Then you clearly didn't look hard enough. There's about as much to do in the vanilla game as there is OWB. Not everything is condensed or even marked down.
>>317781370
>>317781538
>>317781612
>>317781727
>>317781956
>>317782142
>>317782275
>>317782331
You two should really fuck
>>317789960
If you really did every quest, then it took more than 10 fucking hours. To do EVERYTHING in VANILLA NEW VEGAS would at least take over 20 hours, probably closer to 30 if you account for any deaths.
>>317790120
its not you would know it if you played it.
>>317790131
you keep saying I doubt it even though you have no idea shitposter.
>>317790383
nigga you ever hear of commas
>>317790331
every quest I could find.
>>317790383
I only said "I doubt it" once. Excellent cherrypicking. Also, it's still not shitposting, or even remotely related to shitting on 4.
>>317790451
the later it gets the less I use them. the more morons I talk to the less I try.
>>317790383
>shitposter
>calling others shitposters
what a world
>>317790457
Then I did fix it because you didn't explore all of the content. Good job retard.
>>317790464
you doubted two of the facts I stated when people that play it know these obvious things. you do understand shitposting is talking shit about a game you havent even played right?
>>317790539
>I can shitpost because I'm tired!
>>317790549
nigger you dont even know what shitposting is.
>>317790623
kept repeating that anon and you will end up turning into one.
>>317790681
of course you would know wouldn't you shitposter
>>317790604
One, I only doubted people just waltzing to Vegas with no trouble. Unless you know the right route, you will die because of the shoddy walls that prevent you from climbing over most hills and the powerful monsters.
Two, shitposting is not talking shit about a game. That would just be smack talk. Shitposting is typing shit like "lol you le keked my m8?" or something retarded like that.
And three, I still never said anything about 4, so stop projecting.
>argument about fallout turns into argument about shitposting
Why can't we ever have nice FO3/New Vegas threads
>>317773414
Sounds like Metro
>>317790808
blame the shitposter for that
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