Fallout 4
>it's a good game but a bad Fallout game
Fallout New Vegas
>it's a bad game but a good Fallout game
Discuss.
>>317689373
No.
>>317689373
>Fallout 4
>it's a good game but a bad Fallout game
More like "it's a good Skyrim spin-off, just medicore game"
No. New Vegas is a pretty good game, and definitely better than Fallout 4.
Is Fallout 4 better than Skyrim? do the changes in the engine and gameplay look good for the next TES?
Protectron is the only positive thing Bethesda brought to the universe. He's great.
>>317689727
I could be wrong but I could swear there are way more loading screens in FO4 than Skyrim. I spend so much fucking time in loading screens it's really killing my motivation to finish the retarded main quest.
Also there are more dialogue heavy sections, which would be nice if the dialogue wasn't so FUCKING BORING.
>>317689373
Anything after 2 isn't a fallout game, they're fallout spin-offs and in all honesty not that bad beyond Brotherhood of Steel which is the video game equivalent of dysentery.
>>317689373
Fallout 4
>it's a "fun" game but a bad Fallout game
Fallout New Vegas
>it's an unfinished game but a good Fallout game
>>317689727
Next TES COULD, if Todd goes berzerk, become the greatest RPG ever made.
>>317689373
No.
Fallout 4
>It's an average game but a terrible fallout game
Fallout New Vegas
>It's a great game and a great Fallout game
>>317689801
Both of those aspects seemed pretty on-par with skyrim (or any other gamebyro game) for me.
Collecting junk makes my wrist hurt
Also nausea from FOV and weird lighting at times
I literally am too tired to finish this game
>>317689373
What the hell is that comparison screenie supposed to be. If you wanted to make NV look bad, you shouldn't have 4 look almost exactly the same. Looks like they belong to the same game, just different models.
Fallout SOON? /v/ Russia and Nato may start ww3 today
One thing Fallout 4 did right, was the enemy design and combat ai.
Raiders take cover, even behind cars, and are crap shots.
Gunners spread out, fire carefully and shoot at cars if you cover behind them.
Mole Rats dig and pop up around you.
Feral Ghouls run and walk unpredictably, knock you and run around disorientating your aim.
Dogs will run up, and circle you allowing others in the pack to attack you from behind while you try and aim at the one distracting you.
>>317689956
>New Vegas
>>It's a great game
>>317690034
It's still years behind every other first person shooter, but it is a marked improvement.
>>317690034
>crap shots
>>317690059
player still moves like in a ps2 game
i am not even joking
>>317690003
>Also nausea from FOV and weird lighting at times
i get nausea from looking around small areas. drives me insane. fuck collecting mats
fallout 4 fucking sucks
so much about it is awful. so much that is awful about it was fixed in NV but somehow the incompetent fucks seemed to learn NOTHING from what new vegas did right.
not only that, but it's a fucking mess, unoptimized (get drops into 20fps and lower in boston with a 390 overclocked) and the AI is still garbage.
And that's all not even mentioning the fucking storythank god I didn't pay for this pile of shit
>>317690184
Same. What were they fucking thinking
>>317690034
I noticed facing a group of raiders, some take cover, others just run right up to you shooting.
Gunners and Triggermen spread out and stay behind cover they'll even move back if you get close and try and stay in optimal range of their pistols and machineguns.
>game just comes out and hasn't had a patch or update to it yet
>everybody complains it is complete shit
>a few updates later everyone loves it
>everyone finds something new to complain about
>>317689727
I think the core gamplay of Fallout 4 is better than skyrim by far.
Fallout 4 just has to be a good shooter, thats the bare bones basic of what most people expect.
Skyrim's combat system would have to be more indepth than left click left click left click, something that even modders couldnt fix.
However, the world of skyrim allows for actual roleplaying, as long as you install certain mods, while the world of Fallout 4 is so barebones and uninteresting that, even if they had added proper RPG elements to the game, the world would still be less engaging and interesting than skyrim's.
Skyrim still isnt a very good game though.
>>317690437
>hurr im above the meta look at meee
You
>>317690184
So change it in the INI. You are playing on PC, aren't you, anon...?
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>>317689951
The next TES will be dogshit if they dont move to a new engine already.
>mfw Fallout 4's loading times, glitches, visual assets and physics
>>317690790
>The next TES will be dogshit if they dont move to a new engine already.
B-but Todd's incompetent team of cunts aren't proficient enough in using anything else.
>>317690790
>Gambryo
>THE CURRENT YEAR
I mean come on guys, it's THE PRESENT YEAR ON THE GREGORIAN CALENDER!
>>317690218
>390OC
>20fps
That's what you get for using inferior Hardware.
I run a 750ti, high everything, except godrays, 60fps.
Only ever drop frames during the first second after a load or when to many enemies are firing at once.
>>317689607
toaster detected
>>317689373
>Fallout 4
>>it's a good game
Kill yourself shill.
Fallout New Vegas
>it's one of the best RPGs of last generation and a great Fallout game
>>317690865
>/v/ still cares more about Graphics than gameplay.
It's 23x£Potato, come on
>>317691009
>One of the best RPG's
>NV
It was also your first RPG or you'd see how bland the game is with Expac support and how little you choices mattered in the game.
>>317690913
I'm on a 970 with everything maxed out, it still randomly shits itself with performance. It'll be fine in a built-up street but then choke out in the middle of nowhere with some dead trees.
>>317691064
The engine can't do fucking ladders properly with their implementation. It's holding the games back mechanically and in pure technical competence. In THE YEAR OF OUR LORD 2015 this is not acceptable.
>fallout NV is a bad game.
Bethesdrone spotted
>>317689373
>There are people in this sekai that think fallout 4 isn't a good game
Eat shit casual shitfucks. Name a better open world RPG.
Witcher doesn't count because 3 weapon types and no customization.
>>317689727
The engine changes are good, but don't really address any of Skyrim's biggest problems. They need a much better melee system (untouched by Fallout 4), environmental interaction like climbing ledges/ladders, and a much better spell system than the ball/spray/aoe variants they have now.
If they take a good hard look at something like Dragon's Dogma's gameplay and steal whatever they can (like they said they did for Fallout 4 and shooters), it might end up passable. I wouldn't count on it though. We'll see more minecraft fighting waving around pool noodles, but have to pick up every piece of trash in the environment and The Elder Scrolls' current fanbase will eat it up.
>>317691215
Fallout IV is not really a RPG anymore.
>>317690034
I'm pretty sure a lot of that is just the AI doing things randomly and making it look like it's programmed
like half of that is probably bad pathfinding
>>317689373
Fallout 4 is all flash no substance, if they didnt simplify so much and take out a lot of shit from New Vegas it would be a decent fallout game.
New Vegas lied to me in the title of the game, shit should be called fallout mojave because vegas is so shit and forgettable, no heists, no high rolling entourages to join etc, not much good about vegas itself but a few of the characters and the backstory.
The one thing fallout 3 and 4 has are events in the world that were outstanding and memorable (blowing up megaton, fighting with liberty prime, when the brotherhood show up in their airship etc) The only striking events I can think of in New Vegas are the come fly with me quest and the boomers bombing the dam in the final battle, most of my memorable moments in new vegas just come from the gameplay and story.
Bethesda fallouts stray too much from the original fallout lore. But new vegas felt like it could have been so much more, dead money is another offender to me, instead of the shit speakers they should have had some nemesis like monster hunting you alongside the ghost people.
>>317691294
It's still more of an RPG than The Witcher 3, family.
>>317691119
Hahahahahahahahahaha.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_3_endings
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_4_endings
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas_endings
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That is the most untruthful thing I've ever seen.
Its a fallout game, there nothing new in it, it doent differs from the previous fallouts.
7/10
>>317689373
I've seen a single one of the endings now and taking a break from the game for the first time since release date. Not even neet, I do have a job to go to, so this has been almost all of my freetime for two weeks.
Game's very good, that's all I can say. I see endless complaints about trivial issues or things that I've been lucky enough not to have a problem with. Solid 8/10.
>>317691215
>FO4
>RPG
>>317689801
RIP in peace Long Dick Johnson
>>317691336
>it doent differs from the previous fallouts.
Outside of removing features you mean
>>317689801
>>317689983
When I played Skyrim I had the mod that loaded towns and houses and stuff when you got close to them, taking out all of the loading screens.
In FO4 it loads quite often
>>317689951
Summerset Isles or Elsweyr?
>>317690015
Shit already started, didn't you hear about the nukes launching?
>>317689727
The engine still fucks up above 66 Hz so it's barely changed. I wonder if the game is ever gonna get a high framerate fix mod like Oblivion did.
>>317691337
Oh and this said: FNV is still my favorite Fallout game, and I think Skyrim was garbage through and through. If that matters, that is.
Here's how I play Fallout 4
>I wanna shoot, let's fire up the game
>meh, I'm bored of shooting, screw this game
I play it in 2 hour bursts every 2 days. The world is just stupid, bland and boring, just scattered clumps of various buildings and raiders groups which feel like something that just pads up the game as to seem more explorable than it actually is.
>>317691064
The engine isn't just graphics, anon, it's what allows the gameplay to exist. Gamebryo is so hilariously out of date that basic 2015 mechanics need to be shoehorned in through easy-to-break hackjobs, and simple physics and collision have trouble working properly. Then there's how the shit performance actively harms modding, but that's another can of worms.
>>317689373
Both are good games. Especially New Vegas.
>>317689373
Companions are better in Fo4
>>317689607
>>317689956
>>317691009
>>317691213
Have fun playing talk-to-faction-simulator.
Don't mind the rest of us enjoying F4.
Have a good day
>>317691682
This. There's not even any comparison.
>>317691686
good day
>>317691141
>3.5+.5gb card
>wonders why there are drops in performance
>>317691331
Anon never said anything about Bethesda Fallout anon.
>>317691686
I could accept this post if FO4's factions weren't all complete and utter shit giving you the same two missions twelve times each.
>>317689956
>It's a great game
NV's gameplay and bland world keep me from replaying it
>>317691331
Have fun playing shitty plot infested "fpsrpg" while im sniping behind 7 anomalies.
>>317691934
My nigga
>>317691328
Please explain, because that is definitely worth reading, for one reason or another.
Either it is hilarious stupid, or transcendingly revelatory.
>>317691294
>not really an open world RPG anymore
Yeah they should really make another wasteland
OH WAIT THERE IS A GAME LIKE THAT IF YOU WANT TO PLAY THAT 20 YEAR OLD SHIT.
>>317689373
Fallout 4 is not a bad game.
Kill yourself.
>>317691958
replace fallout 4 with bloodborne and the image is accurate.
>>317692063
First I'd like you to tell what defines an RPG.
>>317692071
Wasteland 2 came out last year dipshit.
>>317692071
Yeah, let's make every game an FPS, please. Other genres are for grampas
>>317692120
>bethdrone reading comprehension
>>317691682
> oh god you pick lockpicks so good gurrl, let's fuck
> good
>>317689373
>bad game
>fnv
yeah, nah
>>317692130
That image is accurate no matter what.
>>317692185
No, first you explain what your claim to greater detail, then I´ll explain what makes an RPG. Therapeutical, or otherwise.
As I said, I am ready and willing to be amazed.
>>317691850
>Buying into the memecard stuff
>Thinking it excuses an awfully made game
I can max out just about everything else I throw at it, including far prettier games.
>>317692185
>Evasive mode engaged
Played FO4 for quite a bit in the first few days then just..got bored and I don't have the motivation to play it anymore.
Finished FO1 yesterday and been playing FO2 all day today, such better fucking games from writing to world to atmosphere, after FO2 is done going onto NV, but even then NV doesn't capture that brooding atmosphere of 1/2 sadly. (thanks Gamebyro), in fact in terms of atmosphere, Stalker is probably closer to FO1/2 than any of the 3D titles.
I kind of agree, except I don't think NV is a bad game, it's just a meh game.
Also, Fallout 4 keeps a lot of the spirit of the older titles at least.
>>317691958
Most people don't carry spergs either.
>>317691328
Black Ops 2 was more of a RPG than Bethesdas Fallouts.
>>317692539
>Fallout 4 keeps a lot of the spirit of the older titles at least.
In what fucking way?
>>317692406
It's quite simple, really. TW3 is a fantasy adventure game, not an RPG. Name for me one RPG element in The Witcher that you won't find in Fallout 4. I'll wait.
>>317692253
>My opinion > your opinion
>>317692539
>Also, Fallout 4 keeps a lot of the spirit of the older titles at least.
Liek for example?
>>317691958
Can someone explain? Im not sure if I understand.
>>317692647
Name one RPG element in fallout4 you wont find in Witcher3.
do people who like fo4 really want all open world shooters to just become even more like far cry? is this like the dark souls kids who want every arpg to be like dark souls? why can't games be different?
>>317690913
>750Ti
>Budget Card
>Not inferior Hardware
>1024x768
>Low
Shill somewhere else
>>317692625
>In what fucking way?
Synths are running around and the lore seems all wacky. It's in Spirit of Tactics, and it has attracted a lot of hate so it's like BoS. :^)
>>317692625
>>317692668
I can't really describe it, but, atmosphere?
>>317692529
>brooding atmosphere of ... 2
what
>Stalker is probably closer to FO1/2
god no
>>317692738
Your turn.
>>317692647
Still waiting for the explanation. That is more of a diversion of guilt of proof, coupled with another unbased claim.
>people rating fallout 4 higher than 4/10 at best
I wish I still had low standards so I could enjoy more things.
>>317692889
>GURPS is one of the few things that's survived Bethesda's abuse of Fallout
I'm not sure how I feel about any of this, to be honest.
>>317692889
Character generation isn´t inherent to RPGs.
Being forced to play a determined character can be roleplaying just as much as defining your own character.
>>317692889
>Here, look at my fundamentally gutted stat system which is now bordering on useless
>>317692897
It's an 8/10 that could have been a 9 without all the bugs and performance issues.
>>317691215
>good game
>open world
>>317693037
If this was their own franchise, they would have removed it already like they removed attributes in Skyrim.
It just wouldn't be Fallout without it.
There's just no personality in this game
This is what happens when you go to a voiced protag
Go to Diamond City and no one wants to talk, the entire main quest is just go somewhere and kill someone and that's it
I spent about 3 seconds with Kellogg before I killed him, sure that quest where I got inside of his head afterwards was cool but I didn't even get to know the dude before I iced him
>>317691141
>Have to pay the same amount of money between graphic card generations to play a game at the same FPS a marginal graphical difference.
>>317693119
You need some form of customization for that determined character for it to be a "real" RPG
>>317693214
*with a
>>317693119
That doesn't explain how TW3 is any more a roleplaying game than FO4. You wanted me to specify a roleplaying element that's not found in TW3, now where's yours, friend?
>>317693214
>I'm bitter about not being able to afford a decent PC
My half a decade old rig wasn't exactly cutting it anymore, anon. Every PC has to be new at some point.
>>317693037
GURPS and SPECIAL aren't even close to the same thing. Interplay rewrote the system after they lost the licence for better or worse.
>>317689373
>>it's a bad game but a good Fallout game
>>317692804
Why doesn't Bethesda licence UE4? It's not like you can't make a copy of construction set to be identical to the one they use for 15 years. Or hell, Zenimax owns fucking idtech, the literal technosorcery of engines.
>>317693389
>no counter argument
surely you are the winner here
>>317693221
Why?
>>317693348
For worse. Though "SPECIAL" does sound like a good acronym.
>>317693707
todd would have to fire his animator buddy
>>317692889
Special doens't matter, if you level high enough you can unlock all perks. RPGs usually have some cap to avoid that.
>yfw the engine betheda used for fallout 4 predates fallout 1
>>317693743
Because otherwise every game where you play a character is counted as an rpg.
>Move out of the way, Halo 5, black ops, walking simulators and the like are the new rpgs on the block.
You people are all whiny bastards, dear lord. Just enjoy the fu9cking game, and enjoy it even more in 6 months when mods are out. If you didnt enjoy the game thats fine, but stop crying about it jesus christ.
>>317693780
I disagree. SPECIAL was actually made with video games in mind. GURPS was copy/pasting a tabletop system.
>>317693939
>every game where you play a character is counted as an rpg
ding ding, we have a winner!
>>317693119
>>317692738
>>317692647
Still genuinely curious to know what you think classifies TW3 as an RPG if Fallout 4 is not. Please take your time on your reply.
>>317693956
SPECIAL was also hastily thrown together and badly balanced.
>>317693940
Why should I? So we both have the same opinion and you can be in a hugbox?
>>317690034
>Raiders take cover, even behind cars, and are crap shots.
Until they spam Molotov's from 100 yds away
>>317694024
Did you read my post idiot? Have your own opinions, but I dont see the point in crying about every aspect in this game all the time as you whiny faggots tend to do. its a decent game, definitely not perfect, but it does fine. at this point 90% of the people bit ching about it just do it to make themselves feel good/because crying about bethesda games is mainstream
>>317693274
I
>>317692406
>>317692063
Asked for an explanation why F4 is more of an RPG than W3, and as far as your assumed posting goes that hasn´t been adequatly expounded.
You haven´t explained why a character screen/character generation, makes W3 less of an RPG than F4.
You continue with claims without definitive groundwork.
>>317693956
>GURPS was copy/pasting a tabletop system.
The most robust tabletop system you can find. It's fantastic for world building and the only drawback is the extensive amounts of different rule books you need to cross reference, and the amount of cross references in each book. All that is solved by having a computer do it for you.
>>317693939
Nah man, an RPG is a game where your character, slef made or not is confronterd with choice and consequence, and the reaction of the world to those choices and consuqnces
>>317694142
God, there's this group called the Forged. If you thought raiders were molotov spamming bastards, wait till you see that group.
>>317689373
theyre both bad games and bad fallout games
>>317694219
How much would a set like that cost?
I have a bunch of cinder blocks and planks that I need to make use of and a book shelf is as good of a use as any.
>>317694191
Nigger, are you telling me you need a fucking explanation for why game mechanics that allow for role-playing help define a game as an RPG?
What exactly does the term a "role-playing game" mean to you? RPG mechanics in Fallout 4 are few, true, but they're there. Now what does The Witcher 3 have that Fallout doesn't?
>>317694219
Eh, Gurps is a bit too heavy. I know some people like when chatracter creation resembles Microsoft Access in complexity, but I prefer streamlining in tabletop with narration filling the gaps.
>>317694282
>Nah man, an RPG is a game where your character, slef made or not is confronterd with choice and consequence
>confronterd with choice and consequence
>choice and consequence
So not FO4, then?
>>317694142
>Put on decent mid-late game power armor
>Tank through grenades without noticing and just ignore fire
It feels so good. It's also pretty neat to just fucking walk through water, even if I've had to tcl my way out of a few situations that Bethesda clearly never accounted for. Didn't really feel like leaving my T-60 and frame at the bottom of a well in a ghoul-infested quarry's mine.
>>317694219
I wish I had some people to play pen and paper stuff with. The possibilities for it seem incredible, but I've just never had any friends that would be into it.
>>317694430
Hard to say really a lot of the books are out of print. A softcover basic rule book would set you back about 20 bucks at printing, and the supplement books were anywhere from 5 bucks to 20, but there were literally over a hundred books in 3rd ed alone.
>>317693967
You realize that basically makes the term meaningless right? If every game is an rpg, why bother saying it at all? The answer is that when we say role-playing game, we have ideas about what qualities are associated with role playing games. It's like saying that cereal is soup; it might be technically true but if I say "want some soup?" you have an idea what I'm referring to, and it's probably not cereal. Cereal is at the edge of the schema. Some soups are more 'soupy' than outer examples like cereal. Likewise when we say RPG, we have ideas about what that means. Technically every game with a player character is an rpg, but when we say rpg, we aren't likely to be referring to this; there are aspects of a game that make them more or less RPG-esque. The witcher has lost enough attributes associated with core RPG examples to say that it's less of an RPG than Fallout 4, which still has more of them. There may be a gradient of different hues between red and yellow, but they aren't the same color. We can say some oranges are more red, and some more yellow and not be wrong.
>>317694616
>I wish I had some people to play pen and paper stuff with. The possibilities for it seem incredible, but I've just never had any friends that would be into it.
I don't know what your town is like but most comic books stores around me run groups. However this is not me saying go join these groups, because they're not fun, go there, hang out for a couple of sessions weed out all the edgelords and find a nice bunch of people who are fun to hang out with and try to organise a group with them at another time at another place.
>>317694551
>Gurps is a bit too heavy.
Pen and paper is, on a video game it streamlines. Look at J. E. Sawyers Fallout pen and paper if you want to see what Fallout would look like on the table top. It's a hot mess without a computer running all the calculations, and that's after they turned SPECIAL into SIMPLE and tried to streamline the system.
>>317694753
Jesus fucking Christ, reel in the autism. Yes, in the absence of the DM, rpg term is meaningless cause you literally can't play a role if your options are limited by game's programming.
>>317694581
There are consequences, we just don't see them all listed out in some big ending cut scene. They're more immediate, and perhaps just as long lasting.
>>317694705
>but there were literally over a hundred books in 3rd ed alone.
You under estimate how many cinder blocks I have.
>>317694930
You can probably buy the pdf's from warehouse13 then find some print on demand store to do it for you if you really want to have a shelf full of books you'll use once then never have need for again because you only wanted a single table from GURPS Burrito for your game about Gundams running a Taco stand.
>>317693956
SPECIAL was a hacked together system that happened when the GURPS deal fell through. GURPS would have been a much much better system for the game and would have resulted in much, much better combat than what we got.
>>317694890
Not what I said at all. Roleplaying is feasible in a video game, given that the game sits in the place of the DM and the rulebook. This is good because I'll never have to see a game imitate a little girl with a gruff mans voice, and then pause mid sentence to wipe snot out of it's mustache. I was saying that the idea that every game is a roleplaying game, so some can't be less rpg than others was wrong. Roleplaying isn't some exercise in the freedom of the mind, or giant rulebooks wouldn't be necessary.
>>317691337
Just like me, I took homeoffice to power through the game.
I'm relieved I finally reached one of the endings, so I can go back to my normal life.
>>317690003
Fixing the FOV is easy as fuck.
>>317692712
Hes calling F4 fans normie casual plebians
>>317691686
Fucking desert walking simulator, not to mention there's nothing to explore
>inb4 muh obsidian
>>317693896
The higher your level, the more unfeasible it is to level further. 10 intelligence and I'm not exactly rocketing on up to being the 10/10/10/10/10/10/10 +all perks god that it's theoretically possible to become.
>>317691337
>>317695509Please Todd, I have schoolwork to do.
>>317689727
No, Skyrim was bland and soulless but had a lot more variety and things to do than F4
>>317697178
>Forgot image.
>>317689373
Op. Honestly. I found NV to be just a time waster. Even with the dlcs. It just was something to waste time on. It was more boring than 3. It was funny but it wasn't as fun I found fallout 4 wasn't as funny but was more fun. The only thing I would want from NV is the ammo bench and wild wasteland. Other than that NV was just boring.
>>317689373
>Fallout 4
>it's a good game
Wrong,
>>317697563
>It was funny but it wasn't as fun I found fallout 4 wasn't as funny but was more fun.
ok
>>317689951
TES VI is just going to shoehorn in the FO4 building system. They'll bring back armor diversity and try to work in weapon/armor modding, but the skill system will be overhauled in a way that pisses off fans.
>>317689373
That's backwards
guys, what is the button (on PC version) to holster/put down your weapon?
>>317697817
Hold R.
>>317697919
thx dood
>>317697683
Funny = fun
No you keklord. As in humor I found NV to have a little more. But that didn't make the game fun. It just added " well you're already suffering. Here a have a giggle."
>>317691316
> Fallout 3 strays from lore
2 and NV both raped what 1 set up. The lore has been fucked from the second a sequel was made. 3 actually did the least damage by being set on the other side of the US.
>>317696861
Currently 172, still leveling faster than expected.
So, Nope.
>>317698360
>Level 172
Anon, do you play this game from sunrise to sunset 7 days a week?
>>317698201
How did 2 "rape" 1? It was by the same writers.
>>317698360
do you have all perks already?
>>317694401
Goddamn I hated them, had to fight them at around the time .38 became worthless due to scaling and I had little good ammo.
Fuck Fallout 4 , I can´t play more than 2 hours without the memory leak to kick in and fuck up all my framerate.
>>317698671
Stop trying to run the game on a literal toaster.
kind of bored it already 70h played
>>317692529
> Fallout 2 - brooding
Better give ke'eng rat his cheesy poofs and eat your deathclaw omlettes so you can fight the monty python rabbit!
I liked 2 but only 1 and 3 had a remotely 'brooding' atmosphere.
>>317698671
>Make proper amount of currency
>upgrade and get new pc parts
>?????????
> having a non shitty rig
>profit
>>317689373
the design on the left looks better
>>317691686
Yeah, enjoy your Ancient Aliens sequel. thats literally one of the quest lines. you literally find out aliens made humanity.
>>317689956
You know, /v/ is the only place that says Fallout is god's gift to earth. Everyone else on the planet feels like the story in New Vegas was better, especially in regards to factions, but the exploration was mediocre and a huge missed opportunity. Lets be honest, why in the hell include one of the largest air force bases in the nation, and literally have nothing but paranoid former vault dwellers and fire ants? Where is the tech? or crashed planes? Or something. Overall my dream is Obsidian writes the story and factions, but Bethesda creates the world.
>>317698685
>game is poorly optimized
>LMAO DUDE STOP PLAYING A TOASTER Xd
Why is it that i can run MGSV 1080p@60fps but not this shit game that doesnt look any better than a 2010 shooter? Yeah it must be my toaster Xddd
>>317698434
No it wasn't. Avellone had nothing to do with 1, nor did much of the writing team.
>>317698816
So? Panspermia is a very real possibility, anon.
>>317698884
I don't know what you've been arguing about but you sound like a massive faggot.
>>317689373
Both are bad games. If you believe FO4 gunplay is improved enough to be considered decent you not only have shit taste in RPGs but shooters as well.
>mfw New Vegas is a good game and a good Fallout game
Balance, dude.
>>317690463
We need an interesting NPC's and faction/area overhaul for FO4 so fucking badly. I pray to gaben that Trainwiz makes one of his signature over the top train mods for FO4.
>>317698360
How is that physically possible - I'm at 110 hours and I'm only level 64
Fallout 4
>it's a bad game and a bad Fallout game
Fallout New Vegas
>it's a bad game and a bad Fallout game
Fixed that for you millennial fucking casual consolefaggots.
>>317699016
If you keep saying it then maybe one day it will be true and not just your personal hot opinion.
>Thinking you can objectively call other's taste bad
>>317691273
All the next TES will need to crush everything that came before it is for the combat to resemble an unlocked play dark souls.
I only fear that in exchange for doing this(as they did with sharpening the combat and controls for FO4) everything else will suffer so much that it will become another travesty.
>>317699245
it's cute when old people know how to use the internet
>It's a good game but a bad "FRANCHISE X" game
I'm getting sick and tired of this lame ass fucking excuse for casualising the shit out of a settled franchise.
>>317699250
I know this concept is alien to you, but some people are actually intelligent enough to have an objective opinion that trumps weak willed tool's subjectiveness. It's called experience and knowledge. Two powerful forces.
>>317689373
Bernie from Roosterteeth mentions that Fallout 4 is the absolute best Fallout to date and that New Vegas is awful. Any other opinions are shit.
>>317699393
When will you faggots learn that making things more casual is just good business sense? No one wants to read walls of text, deal with min maxing shit or distributing points.
>>317691518
I have a question about Gamebyro tho, i know it's shit and i awknoledge it's shit, but the main reason why we can make amazing mods and the console commands are easy as fuck because they are carried over the games isn't gamebyro? im worried that actually changing from Gamebyro would kill the chance to make such substancial mods, like scripts and all that shit.
>>317692529
I haven't seen anyone try to shill that awful meme series STALKER in years, why start again?
>>317699610
>And I base this on my own feelings and absolutely nothing else
You can play every game on earth and your taste still isn't any more objective on what a good video game is than a 12 year old's.
New Vegas is far and away the best modern Fallout game. Probably the best Fallout game of all time. For all of its flaws I have no hesitation in calling it a masterpiece.
>>317698360
> Posts bullshit
> Gets called out on bullshit
> Stops posting like the autist he is
>>317699245
>Fallout
>a console franchise
>>317699726
The reason Gamebryo games are so moddable is because Bethesda provides modding tools for them. As long as they keep doing that, very little would change.
>>317699946
>reading comprehension
>>317699851
>t. 12 year old gamer who knows everything
Seniority exist for a reason.
>>317693967
>le man who takes the acronym completely literally meme
Is Call of Duty a point and click adventure?
Is Starcraft a fighting game?
It's just a best-fit name that refers to a group of core mechanics, you're just being wilfully obtuse
>>317691686
>people actually unironically defend fallout 4 on /v/
Unreal.
>>317689373
isn't that NV model reused from Fallout 3?...
anyway the biggest complaint I hear people had about NV was the shooting, which I never understood, it felt pretty tight to me. then again I actually invested in gun skills and perks, so I didn't encounter much of the "RNG" aspect
new vegas was shit in these ways
>shooting was awful
>questing was awful
>the map was awful, it was like a flat sand area with one small straight city in the middle
>bugs were awful
>animations were awful
>graphics were awful
>AI was awful
>no bosses
at least 4 got shooting right
>>317689373
Fallout 4
It's an ok game and a decent Fallout game
Fallout New Vegas
it's a good game and a good Fallout game
Discuss.
>>317691682
The companion mechanics like being able to command them to do stuff, having interaction with other companions etc. was a lot better than previous installments. But the companion quests were pretty awful
>>317700586
agree family
we should really be having a Stalker vs Fallout discussion instead and how Stalker shits on Fallout
>>317700586
That is probably the most bullshit image I've seen circulating on /v/ in a long time.
The strip was a massive disappointment for me but everything else about New Vegas was vastly superior to Fallout 3.
>>317698838
I wish I could say you're right but most normal people prefer fallout 3 much more highly compared to new vegas in regards of story and writing. Don't ask me why but I've seen my fair share of arguments saying fallout 3 is the better game.
>>317689373
Are you high?
>>317689373
Fallout 4
>it's a bad game
Fallout New Vegas
>it's a good game
Daily reminder that those that hate Fallout 4 hate it because it's popular and they are not it's intended audience.
>>317696165
can someone please explain? It's like you all are speaking in a different language and I don't understand...
>>317700957
>>317700586
>>317698838
New Vegas had far better writing and dialogue options compared to Fallout 3. I actually wanted to talk to NPCs in that game where in Skyrim, Fallout 3, and other Bethesda games, talking to NPCs feels mostly fruitless due to how limited your options are.
>>317701049
>people who dislike a game dislike it because they dislike it
>>317700586
>actually defending the shitty invisible rubble walls in Fallout 3
fuck you and the horse you rode in on
>>317692539
>Also, Fallout 4 keeps a lot of the spirit of the older titles at least.
When was the spirit of the older titles, in the words of Pete Hines
>lol fuck consistency that's nerd shit
>>317699919
> Has played one fallout game
Welcome to the series
Post your real life SPECIAL
STR - 3
PER - 8
END - 3
CHA - 7
INT - 10
AGI - 6
LCK - 1
>>317696327
Even worse, Boston swamp simulator with even less to explore.
>>317698553
No, you need to be ~370 for that iirc
>>317701115
>person a doesn't like broccoli
>new recipe comes out broccoli and cheese soup
>its fairly popular
>person a shit posts in broccoli threads abouit how he hates broccoli
>>317701201
>INT 10
*tips fedora
>>317701228
wrong nigger
there are about 100 times more areas to explore that all don't look like a desert with shacks
>>317701270
If you don't like it you can always go to the entire rest of the internet where everyone likes fo4. :^)
>>317701107
Nobodies arguing against that. I was just saying alot of your average gamers think fallout 3 is the superior game compared to new vegas. I enjoyed new vegas's landscape alot more to be honest because every building had something interesting in design about it. Sure fallout 3 had a huge amount of interior's but most of the time it was just a waste to go inside of them and you would spend 20 seconds sitting on a loading screen waiting for it to load just so you could kill 3 radroaches then get a few things of radaway and water.
>>317701117
> Complains about rubble walls in 3.
> NV legitimately had straight up invisible walls everywhere.
>>317701201
intelligent, nihilistic, and with a wicked sense of humor
>>317701201
Is this bait
>Incredibly intelligent, charismatic and perceptive NEET who's only held back by his poor luck
These are the stats of a narcissistic fedora tipper
>>317701347
>Intellectual shaming is now the accepted norm
Well, with all the christians and liberals around here these days, idiocracy was ineviable
>>317701201
if you had 10 intelligence you wouldn't be posting here
specifically this thread
>>317701392
name one faggot. NV was open as fuck. the only areas you're locked off from are certain parts surrounding The Strip
ALL of the metro area in 3 was separated by rubble and subway stations
>>317701416
>Incredibly intelligent, charismatic and perceptive NEET who's only held back by his poor luck
Welcome to /v/. We're the cream of the crop, but forced down by bad luck and dumb normies afraid of our potentials.
>>317692712
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMmZq0rTpA0
>>317701201
wow Anon you sound so interesting!!! tell me more about your life please!!!
>>317701457
> Uses idiocracy as a social commentary
> Not the biggest retard of all
>>317701457
>8 per
>misses typo
more like 3 per, lmao
Fallout 4 is pretty fun up until you start to do the quests
I was pleasantly surprised by the game at first but then playing through story and quests soured my entire experience. If I pretend that those don't exist I'd call it a good game but as it stands it's mediocre
>>317701553
I hope you're joking.
>>317698838
>Where is the tech?
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/HELIOS_One
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/REPCONN_headquarters
>or crashed planes?
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Crashed_vertibird
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Crashed_B-29
>>317701457
A person who is truly intellectual wouldn't claim to be so.
>>317701505
Name one invisible wall - what?
Just go out into the mojave, see any ridge or pile of rocks and start climbing. Enjoy being prohibited because they couldn't be bothered to finish their map.
>>317691686
why do people who don't like RPGs insist on destroying the genre? I don't do this to genres I don't enjoy.
>>317692804
Can you send me an application?
>>317701201
STR - 6
PER - 8
END - 3
CHA - 3
INT - 6
AGI - 1
LCK - 4
>>317691686
Have fun playing build-a-settlement-simulator.
Don't mind the rest of us enjoying F:NV.
Have a good day.
>>317701505
There's an invisible wall preventing you from getting too close to a pile of rubble literally INSIDE The Strip right by the NCR Embassy, you tard.
>>317691448
The lore obviously builds up to the next chapter taking place in Akavir.But that would probably be too much work for the company that uses an engine from 2002
>>317701658
>Muh false humility
No wonder you faggots lack confidence.
>>317701495
How do you know where someone intelligent would post? You clearly don't consider yourself intelligent, so you wouldn't know.
>>317701201
STR - 4
PER - 8
END - 4
CHA - 3
INT - 8
AGI - 5
LCK - 0
>>317699719
Marketeers go. Just cuz a normie doesen't want doesen't mean a thing. RPGs are a niche genre like all gaming is. There would be no financial problem with investing into fallout to appeal to a smaller demographic, and actually making a good game. But every AAA developer is after a quick buck instead of building a franchise.
>>317701101
I will try to explain
IQ score is a measure of how smart you are
The graph displays that 95% of people are located within the 2% on both sides of the graphic. So the middle of the graph represents the average persons intelligence. The anon put a picture of Fallout 4 there in order to correlate that normal people enjoy buying and playing fallout 4 while everyone else does not. (us, the 32.2%)
>>317701201
S - 3
P - 7
E - 1
C - 3
I - 7
LCK - 1
>>317689373
F4
>No RPG elements cause we wanna be mass effect
>Dumb story with no faction options
>Smallest map of any open-world Fallout
>only things worth a damn are power armor and the settlement and those can only keep you entertained so long
New Vegas
>Proper roleplaying which even lets you avoid certain battles based on your stats
>Story gives each faction a reason for being there, and ultimately gives you the choice on what to do
>Mojave isn't as large as 3 but at least bigger than 4
>May be buggy and unpolished but feels the most like a Fallout title than any of the other 3D Fallouts
>Old World Blues in general
New Vegas is a bit broken hence why it's a "Bad Game" but it's still the closest to original Fallout any of the 3D games got
>>317701352
Would you be so kind as to list them all or provide some sort of source for you claim?
Pretty please?
>>317701878
0 in any stat = dead
you have failed this thread
>>317701867
>No wonder you faggots lack confidence
If you think you're intelligent, you're not. Someone who is truly intelligent would not consider themselves to be so because there is always more to be learned and more to know.
Have fun being a faggot pseudo-intellectual.
>>317701201
STR - 2
PER - 3
END - 3
CHA - 1
INT - 3
AGI - 2
LCK - 1
>>317701201
>all these plebs who believe luck exists
>>317702020
It's imaginary, faggot.
>>317701352
>few towns like new Vegas
>rest is swamp
Even the image you posted has two ugly swamp areas in there. Congratulations you giant Retard. Fallout 4 niggers should be executed.
>>317701664
it works just fine dude. unless you were expecting to climb vertical cliffs I have no idea what you're talking about. you can get on top of piles of rocks easily
>>317701107
I never argued against that. I said the story was better in New Vegas, and I loved how factions were written and played out. That said, in regards to a complete package I prefer Bethesda due to their development of making an exciting world to explore. A game could have a good story, but if the world is boring then I'll eventually lose interest. Exploring the Capital Wasteland was interesting, exploring New Vegas felt like a miss opportunity.
>>317694616
For kremvhs, you should've known better
>>317694181
>Did you read my post idiot? Have your own opinions, but I dont see the point in gushing about every aspect in this game all the time as you fanboy faggots tend to do. its a shitty game, definitely not decent, but it does suck. at this point 90% of the people prai sing about it just do it to make themselves feel good/because worship about bethesda games is mainstream
>>317701674
They might enjoy the setting but cant be bothered with anything that isnt them being "badass".
RPGs are too much hassle for the casuals and they need to "relate" to the main character in order for them to even play as them.
>>317702020
Just world fallacy
>>317702118
>Exploring the Capital Wasteland was interesting
I sure do love the interesting locations such as
metro tunnel
and who could forget
metro tunnel
>>317701904
I'm sorry I was havin a laugh. I don't know who that other fella is who didn't get the chart but I hope they were just joking around as well.You're a nice anon though so I'll back off
>>317702003
By that logic no one is intelligent since they dont know everything.
>>317702003
>Someone who is truly intelligent would not consider themselves to be so because there is always more to be learned and more to know.
Such pseudo-philosophy.
Yes, anon. Nobody would EVER consider themselves intelligent, not even when talking to a downs kid.
Protip: You're not intelligent because of your knowledge, but because of your understanding and quick problem solving compared to fellow humans
>>317701767
The "I'm not fat it's all muscle underneath" build
>>317702194
I sure love exploring interesting new vegas locations like a quarry with nothing but Deathclaws. Who could forget that?
>so many people are flagged as essential for no reason, can't even kill any companions or even that Marcy Long bitch that has literally NO significance in any way
>Preston thinks I should be the minutemens LEADER when I've been insulting them and shitting on their cause constantly and ignoring their pleas for help
And the rest of the game is like this too. This game is so fucking bad.
>>317702273
>>317702275
>pseudo-intellectuals thinking that any legitimately intelligent person considers themselves to be so
The fact that you're vehemently arguing for the sake of your supposed "intellect" is very telling here.
>>317702312
poor quality banter
>>317701201
str - 3
per - 5
end - 3
cha - 3
int - 5
agi - 4
lck - 6
ITT: Dunning–Kruger effect
>>317702312
Considering how many FO3 shitters complain about not being able to pass, yeah, who could?
>>317702405
You're no better with you pretend-humbleness. Humility is not a sign of intelligence.
Why is it that everybody has got nostalgia goggles already when it comes Fallout NV?
Can we be fucking real for a second? NV was shit when it came out.:
>Same engine as Fallout 3
>Reused assets of Fallout 3
>Horrible gameplay
>Horrible graphics
>Shitload of bugs, even more than F4
>Bad writing
>inconsistent story
>illusion of choice
The only good thing about it were mods...
>>317702312
am i being tricked here or is quarry junction really the least interesting location you could pick?
>>317702562
>You're no better with you pretend-humbleness. Humility is not a sign of intelligence.
Except that I am, and that it's not humility. It's being a realist.
>>317702473
This right here.
>The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein relatively unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability to be much higher than is accurate. Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their own ineptitude and evaluate their own ability accurately. Their research also suggests corollaries: highly skilled individuals may underestimate their relative competence, they may erroneously assume that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others, and they may incorrectly suppose that their competence in a particular field extends to other fields in which they are less competent.[1] The bias was first experimentally observed by David Dunning and Justin Kruger of Cornell University in 1999.
>>317702592
>>Same engine as Fallout 3
>>Reused assets of Fallout 3
>>Horrible gameplay
>>Horrible graphics
>>Shitload of bugs, even more than F4
Made in a year with QA by a company that didn't pay them, yeah.
>>317702695
>Except that I am, and that it's not humility. It's being a realist.
So now you're arguing for your supposed intelligence, which by your logic means you must be stupid after all. You've gone the whole circle now, anon.
>>317702592
>Bad writing
>inconsistent story
>illusion of choice
I'll give you the rest but could you elaborate on these?
>>317689545
>FO4
>just mediocre
Geez, guy, does Todd pay you a lot to shill here?
>>317702592
>Same engine as Fallout 3
>Reused assets of Fallout 3
>he think FO4 doesnt do that
>>317702592
>Nostalgia goggles
It came out 5 years ago you retard, not only that but
>Same engine as Fallout 3
>Reused assets of Fallout 3
>Horrible gameplay
>Horrible graphics
>Shitload of bugs
>Bad writing
>inconsistent story
>illusion of choice
These literally, literally all apply to Fallout 4
>>317702778
>So now you're arguing for your supposed intelligence, which by your logic means you must be stupid after all. You've gone the whole circle now, anon
No, I'm not the one claiming to be intelligent like you were, you idiot. I'm just aware enough to know that I'm not genuinely intelligent. You on the other hand, are a perfect example of a Dunning-Kruger effect.
>>317700824
Vanilla Stalker is pretty shit though.
>m-muh Slav memes
>>317702592
>bad writing
I can understand the other ones, but if you actually think that, I will slap you motherfucker. The writing in New Vegas is perhaps the only good writing to ever grace a game with Bethesda's shitty assets.
>>317702971
>I'm just aware enough to know that I'm not genuinely intelligent
Which is why everyone can safely ignore your post. Nobody should listen to a self professed dummy.
no one cares about how intelligent you are, just fling shit at either 4 or NV
>not knowing beth has been using gamebryo in their games since at least oblivion
>>317702912
Do you think they just gave the voice actor a summary for what they wanted him to say and they reused all his takes as extra speech options? Because what the fuck is the point of having your VO record the same three lines slightly differently on purpose
>>317701858
lolwat no it isn't. You sure you don't mean Hammerfall?
>>317702882
>>317702951
>It came out 5 years ago you retard, not only that but
Thats why I asked dipshit. "already"
>These literally, literally all apply to Fallout 4
Some do yes. The point I was arguing is that everyone acts as if they dont apply to NV.
>Things Fallout 4 did better than the previous games:
Power Armor with the exception of fusion cores.
The Gunplay, while still not very good, is much improved.
It looks slightly better than the previous games.
Settlements, while immature show promise.
>Things Fallout 4 did worse than the previous games:
Everything else.
>Is it good?
Depends on what you were looking for.
>Is it well written? Is the world interesting? Does it have compelling roleplaying opportunities? Is it consistent with established lore? Is the world even internally consistent with itself or Fallout 3? Is it the worst game in the franchise?
No.
>Does power armor finally feel like power armor rather than just another suit of armor you wear?
Yes, and it's about damn time.
>>317703158
Morrowind, before that I believe they used a modified quake engine for Daggerfall. Meaning they've been using the same engine for roughly 15 years
>>317689373
>Fallout New Vegas is a good fallout game and a good game
Fixed it for you.
>>317703082
>Which is why everyone can safely ignore your post. Nobody should listen to a self professed dummy.
You haven't displayed any level of intellect above mine, so you should really keep your mouth shut, because you're the perfect example of a Dunning-Kruger effect pseudo-intellectual little cunt.
Fallout 4
>It's bad because its popular
>Fallout New Vegas
>I like it because its the least popular
Discuss
>>317690003
You saying this just made me realize that I also get nausea in smaller areas. Strange mechanic Todd.
>>317703443
No, more like Fallout 4 is bad because it's actually a legitimate piece of shit.
See >>317700471
>>317700539
>>317700972
But you retards gave them your money, so they'll get away with it again, just like they've continued to do in the past.
>mfw i realized fallout NV is the saints row of bethesda games
>>317691331
>Thinking choices that matter equates to walls of flavor text you get at the end of the game
>>317701049
>they are not it's intended audience
It started off as an RPG and ended up as a shitty FPS with minor RPG elements and minecraft/sims mechanics.
Not cool Bethesda, you don't change the genre of the game unless it's some kind of spin-off. People have every right to shit on them for this.
Fallout 4 was as good as open world shooters are going to get. If you're not interested in open world shooters, than sure I can see why you wouldn't enjoy it.
So now that we know Bethesda considers voiced protagonists to be superior for telling a good story, TES will have one, and since Bethesda probably doesn't want to include every dialogue option for EVERy protag, there's going to be a male human and a female human. No Khajiit or anything.
Prove me wrong. Can't.
>>317703683
It's Beth. They'll just pick some generic VA and use it regardless of your race.
>>317703683
>Bethesda probably doesn't want to include every dialogue option for EVERy protag, there's going to be a male human and a female human. No Khajiit or anything.
Why would they do that when they can just record dialogue for male and female and apply it to every playable race just like Fallout 4?
>>317702112
You clearly just go where the game design encourages you to, go anywhere in an alternate direction and try to get around and you get blocked time after time.
Always
> Running away from a group of radscorpions
> Try to climb up onto ridge to shoot them from above
> Flail against the invisible walls
> Die
>>317703683
>voiced protagonists
>voiced anything
Why has this become the standard. Why is reading so bad? Having voiced dialogue just severely limits your options yet this is somehow okay to people for what is supposed to be a FUCKING ROLE PLAYING GAME.
>>317689373
>Protect AND Serve
>>317703671
>Fallout 4 was as good as open world shooters are going to get.
>there are people who actually think and believe this
>you can't shred Marcy Long to bits with a minigun
>you can't keep shooting at her body to dismember it
>you can't pick up the gibs and clean up the scene so you never see them again and completely forget that Marcy existed
The only way to get rid of that bitch is to move her to one of those settlements you never visit.
In a real life post-nuclear scenario, people like her would be the first to go. In order to maintain a successful settlement, you have to keep the morale up. People like Marcy only bring everyone else down with her. You need happy people who go along well with each other if you want your "gang" to survive. "I'll stop complaining when there's nothing left to complain about" will get you a bullet in the back of the head when you're out scavenging. Sorry guys, but we got ambushed by some raiders and Marcy didn't make it. Tough luck.
Preston and Sturges are bros. Jun Long is also a shithead, but his line "no one wants to see a grown man feeling sorry for himself" at least shows us that he's aware of his shittiness and is recovering. Mama Murphy, whether good or bad, won't be around for long due to her old age.
>>317703997
Role-playing game just means an experience bar for some people
Where is the mod that lets essential NPC's get killed by me but no on else?
>>317703671
It's a mediocre shooter with terrible RPG mechanics in a passable open world. The only reason Bethesda games get so much praise is because these all come together to create something that no one else does for some reason
>>317703168
Because the illusion of choice, until the mod was out you only read litter descriptions of what you were about to say, so in the end you think you have options, when it's just a lie, and people will eat the shit because they don't know jack shit about good RPG, even Mass Effect that had that ending that fucked up every choice you did in the games had different outcomes to that point.
>>317703997
>Voiced protagonist from F4 can't into emotions, it's like he is reading the newspaper, literally puts emotion in shit that shouldn't have impact and puts no impact in things it should, sometimes it's cringy the way he tries too hard to sound sad about his son and wife
I don't hate voiced protagonists, SR britbong voice is best voice for Boss, but the faggot that voices the father sucks ass.
>>317704226
Whereas you would get stabbed in the face squealing impotently like the useless fantasist neckbeard you are.
>>317702165
>They might enjoy the setting but cant be bothered with anything that isnt them being "badass".
Then why not go play all the other fucking games that are made for them? Why do they have to turn games into their genre when there is already a market saturated with them.
>>317704226
>Not letting Mama Murphy man your mortar cannon, then dump a pile of drugs into her inventory
>>317703997
A lot of people just have no imagination, It's easier for people to watch things like a movie and have their emotional reactions fed to them than come up with their own, that's the reason.
there's literally nothing innovative about FO4, they have just finally made the combat bearable but its shit shit compared to other game like deus ex. in terms of role playing mechanics, its not even an RPG compared to 1,2 and NV.
>>317704378
Even a neckbeard would be less destructive than a bitch like Marcy, granted that you stay quiet.
At least I suppose you could learn a thing or two with Sturges and be the town's second handyman.
>>317694401
Holy fuck running into them was a nightmare
>oh look, some raiders holed up in a factory. Time to take out the trusty ol' sniper rifle...
>suddenly they're swarming
>three niggas with flamethrowers right in my face
>five more spamming molotovs
>backpedal through the entire forest spamming my laser rifle
>they just keep fucking coming
>>317691686
>have fun with your RPG while the rest of us enjoy fallout 4
okay
>>317702912
>dialogue options are so bad and not even accurate you can't tell which option is supposed to be YES (YES) NO (YES) SARCASM (YES) and TELL ME MORE (YES)
>>317699071
im guessing int/luck ten and idiot savant
>>317693037
They're mashed into the perks list and are all upgradable to 10/10 without items now though
Good things about Fallout 4
>looks better than any other fallout game (fuck you it does)
>better ai
>better shooting
>gun tinkering and shit
>no more leveling up for +2% damage on your shit
>good power armor
>no more stupid karma system, follower alignment instead
Bad things about fallout 4
>fucktarded dialogue wheel
>no skill checks other than charisma
>formerly skill-locked things like purifying water can be done by anyone
>linear as shit quest structure
>easy as shit, stimpacks and radaways are being used to stuff the furniture
Using a voiced protag was the biggest fucking mistake this game could make. Half of those downsides could be fixed or at least improved if they didn't do that.
New Vegas seems to be the latest target of contrarian posters. For some reason since the release of FO4 people are shitting all over it with greentext and meme images.
>>317693296
It's pretty frustrating when it has to be new because of one single badly optimized peice of shit though.
Mods fixed every new Vegas complaint. Mods will have a really hard time fixing terrible writing for fo4 and the bullshit awful dialog especially with a voiced main character
Also, according to rumors there's gonna be a Fallout 4 spin-off akin to New Vegas... made by Behavior Interactive, the guys who made Fallout Shelter and did some additional work on FO4.
O-obsidrones b-btfo?
>>317703287
>Power Armor with the exception of fusion cores.
how is this good? you get pArmour in the first 10 minutes
>Remove weapon and armor crafting so you actually want to use the stuff you find.
>Hand pick some of those more useful legendary weapons and place them at the end of the major dungeons.
>Make weapon crafting a thing.
>Give us indoor zones that we can use the settlement crafting interface in
>Remove scope sway.
>More zones to fight actual robots instead of gay ass Synths
>Add some lines of dialogue where Father justifies all the chaotic evil shit he is having his Synths do topside.
>Create a raider city and give it a few shallow quests that will let me finish the game as an evil as fuck raider.
>Regularly update settlement crafting menus with more assets.
>When you return to a zone you already cleared, have the enemy type inside randomized.
>new Vegas style food/water/sleep meter.
>>317705147
Everything you said is right with some few exceptions, the AI is still bad, if not worse than other fallouts, when you used a companion in NV you saw them killing everything on sight, walking with Boone was triggering the combat sound every 5 seconds because he would spot shit from miles and kill it without mercy, Veronica would punch everything without hesitation, in Fallout 4 i've seen my companions wandering around while im fighting and do nothing, and join later into the fight when im almost done with everyone and i have no health anymore and enemies just taking cover right in front of me or just stay put letting me kill them without opposing resistance.
Follower alignment is shit, because sometimes it makes no fucking sense.
>Cross river with nigger following me
>Preston dissaproved that
>Go underwater for a few seconds
>Codsworth disliked that
>>317701201
S 3
P 7
E 3
C 6
I 5
A 2
L 10
>>317700586
>new vegas was shit because gamebryo reasons that make all beth fallout games shit too
I totally agree.
>>317703997
A lot of people seriously just cannot imagine things for themselves. It's hard to comprehend as somebody who can, but some really simply cannot.
I've seen youtube comments of people saying they didn't like FO1 or 2 solely because of the graphics and lack of voice acting for every character.
>>317704718
I was almost weeping when i ran into them. I was roleplaying a raider character and
I had a leather chest peice with imunity to fire, a heated coil super sledge, t-60 with flames paint, a flamer, a gamma wave laser rifle and 40 or so molotovs that a crafted. I was told they have the shishkabab but when i got there all i wanted to do was join them.
>>317698901
>No it wasn't. Avellone had nothing to do with 1, nor did much of the writing team.
but how did it "rape the lore"? There were some oddball things in the game (wacky random encounters; hate bottlecaps) but to me it always felt like an upgraded version of FO1.
>>317702840
>shilling
You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.
If they got paid to shill about the game they wouldn't call it mediocre, you retarded baboon.
I think the most painful thing is that I called like half of the shit this game was going to do (no skill checks, railroading, forced reactions by the MC, etc) but everyone told me to shut the fuck up/the game wasn't out yet etc.
It literally is the exact same shit that happened with Bioshock Infinite, where people flat-out wouldn't accept criticism until the game had been out for a week after release.
Fallout 4 is a bad game and a bad Fallout game, whereas New Vegas is just an ugly game but it's a good game and a good Fallout game
>>317704637
Bethesda just takes things away in every game, and they never add anything substantial.
TES VI will feature no level-ups, instead using mods for weapons and armor and dragon hearts you use to upgrade your character and unlock certain traits. It will also feature a voiced protagonist, dialogue wheel, and will not have beast races or orcs.
>>317705714
I can't get into Fallout 1 and 2 because of the combat, but aside from that i don't see nothing wrong with the game
>>317689373
NV was good game, it was just as good of game as you can do with Bethesda game as it's base.
gunplay is way better in f04 but does that shit matter in a game like fallout that is why new vegas will always be superior
>>317696327
>look at this map, cluttered with shit...
And worst part is, there is nothing in that clutter.
>>317705860
Try to play them again, starting at Fallout 1. For years, off and on, I tried starting at 2, and the tutorial turned me off.
Starting at 1, if you properly build your character and then level up like once you will almost never miss. Always shoot with targeted shots and play smart, the combat is really great once you learn how to use it.
>>317705964
Just run in F2, you only need to fight 2 ants in reality.
>>317705964
>the combat is really great
The only thing I would describe as "great" about FO1/2 combat are death animations.
>>317706063
nigger, combat in 1 and 2 is deep, actually relies on your character building, and allows for strategic gameplay instead of just running in and shooting.
>>317703997
It's nice in theory. Makes conversation simpler and more pleasant.
The amount of times I nearly ragequit because my character said some bullshit or expressed weird out of place emotion that I didn't agree with is countless though. The vast amount of missing dialogue choices and lack of exposition because of them ruined it for me.
>>317706152
>combat in 1 and 2 is deep
hahahahahahaha oh my god
>>317706195
Please, post your criticism on why it's shit, or just keep memetexting at me like a child. Are you upset that you can't play it like CoD?
>>317703306
They used their own first-party engine, XnGine, for Daggerfall, Battlespire, and Redguard. Morrowind was indeed NetImmerse, which later became Gamebryo and even later became Creation.
>>317705860
>>317705964
Just played through both Fallout 1 and 2, here.
Even towards the end of Fallout 2, I was getting really frustrated with the combat system. Fallout 1's combat gets effortless towards the end when you get the endgame equipment, but FO2 doesn't hold back. Biggest advice I can offer is you're going to want to fucking pour points into one weapon type of your choice, and don't stop until you're getting pretty far into the 100%s. Always have it in mind that enemy armor class is going to get better and better and it's going to get harder and harder to hit enemies as the game goes on.
Also, the combat type just isn't for everyone. A lot of people feel like having a constant chance to miss keeps you on edge and makes it really rewarding feeling when you succeed, but I found I just got pissed off whenever I missed at 95% chance because it wasn't my fault, I just got fucked.
It's not for everyone.
>>317704958
SARCASM varies wildly too, half the time it's a snappy one liner and the other half it's smarmy caustic shit and you can never tell which you're about to say. Sarcasm isn't done well in the darker moments, its a pity, but it's not like you're really saying anything other than "yes" anyway
>>317705964
the combat is okay once you level up some. I love 1 and 2 but honestly the combat isn't fun. Still better games than 3 and 4 for actually making you care about the world and being coherent.
>>317706152
>max 2 stats and click to win is deep
>>317706339
I found it fun, but I could see why people wouldn't. I think cranking up the speed in the settings helps a lot.
>>317706152
>it's turn based so it's deep
Fallout combat was never strategic in any way, everything is just stats. You eventually can just stand still and click and everything dies.
>>317703287
I pretty much agree, but you left out the weapons modding, which is pretty good. The weapons available to mod, not as much...
>>317706256
It's really really basic and bad. It's TB combat where you control one character, you don't have magic spells, you don't have firing stances, you don't have overwatch, cover, shooting through objects, richochets, ballistics etc. The armour system is retarded and broken. Crits are retarded and broken. AP system is broken. Play something like Silent Storm. Not to mention the situations where you aggro a town and have to wait for every single junkie to spend the millions of AP he has due to Jet, this takes forever even with movement animations cranked to the max. The closest thing to "tactics" I did was stepping out of cover with bonus move, shooting, stepping back and shooting Horrigan in the legs once he went into a "giant knife of rape" stage so I could kite him forever.
>>317706473
Grats you just summarized every game ever made
>>317689373
I agree for the most part.
New Vegas was positively ugly in broad strokes but the little details come through a lot better. Like how the companion wheel, the ammo types, the weapon mods, and cutting out a lot of the garbage perks and factions were a damn break through considering they went from FO3 to that. But when they made skyrim they threw all that useful and otherwise pragmatic features out to make it more "atmospheric". I think the company and their games are shit for the most part but even if "exploration" is not really fun at least it's not boring.
I unironically enjoy fallout 4.
I hope that triggers some of you autists desu senpai.
>>317706592
Yeah, good luck playing XCOM like that. Or most SRPGs.
>fallout 4 is supposed to have "better gun mechanics"
>the shooting is slow, clunky and feels like shit
>seems very familiar
>figure out that it's just like RAGE, one of worst FPS's ever
>find out Bethesda tried to make it as much like RAGE as possible
>>317706268
>>317706339
>>317706417
>>317706582
I grew up with the FO1&2 combat, so I can see where approaching it now is really hard. Some shit, like standing straight up toe-to-toe and shooting at ppl never did make sense.
>>317706797
>Play Xcom
>Attack enemies until they die
>Implying this takes thought
>>317705482
Because unlike in the previous games Power Armor isn't just another suit of armor. It's something you have to ride in, it changes your hud, you are impervious to fall damage, you're more resistant to rads and damage, you feel safer and more powerful. It changes how you play and it feels like you're in power armor.
The fact that you got it early feeds into the complaint about fusion cores. Fusion Cores were obviously added as a way to prevent you from using Power Armor non-stop from the beginning of the game. They gave you Power Armor early in a misguided attempt to hook the players early and more or less wrote themselves into a corner by doing so.
>>317706545
New Vegas also had weapon modding and I feel Fallout 4 did some aspects better than the other but neither was drastically superior enough to mention it.
>>317706268
That is the exact same shit i hate in Fallout 4.
>Standing at the side of an enemy
>95% chance
>Still miss with a shotgun
>>317706961
>Muh rigged rng
You have to rely on a broken system, that makes it hard and tacticool
>>317706989
I like the way power armor feels, but fusion cores are everywhere and you get perks and a magazine that make them last longer, and you're basically invincible in one coupled with the 2349084028 stimpaks you find. The OP drugs just makes it even easier.
>>317706932
>I grew up with the FO1&2 combat, so I can see where approaching it now is really hard.
Fallout 2 was literally my first RPG (I was like 15, I just wasn't really interested in RPG genre before, but a friend told me that you can get a cool powered armour in that game and rip people apart with a huge minigun). I'm sorry if all you gathered from my post (this one: >>317706582) is "I'm too young to appreciate TB combat durr".
Fallout 4 fails as both an fps and an rpg.
Fallout 4 is a shitty FPS. The AI is retarded and easily exploitable. Difficulty is literally defined as "you do .5 dmg and enemies do 2x dmg to you".
The character animations are awful and erratic which makes aiming difficult due to the shitty engine. As far as an FPS goes it is one of the worst.
The only RPG elements are getting XP, picking up tons of random bullshit,and getting mostly retarded and useless abilities. They tacked on a stupid "city management" minigame that is a terrible timesink.
The map design is an awful cluttered clusterfuck of generic inconsequential dungeons. Any backstory to locations is usually exposed through a terminal or two that still magically works in the ruins of a 200 year old building. Quantity over quality.
The graphics are awful and the draw distance is shit, but that usually doesn't matter since your LOS is limited to 200 meters or so by alleyways or hills and valleys.
The voice acting is mediocre at best and terrible in a lot of situations.
The dialogue and story are both poorly written. The interactions between player and NPC are ridiculous and unbelievable and inconsequential or just completely linear.
"We'll help you but only if you give us the courser chip"
"No way"
"Well come back when you've changed your mind"
You bust into someones home/base/underground secret hiding place > we just met you, we usually don't do this but we trust you > here do some work for us.
Overall the game is one of the biggest abominations ever created.
>>317706961
>I am retarded, please help
The key point is the "just" part. Games with strategy don't just let you stand still in the middle of a fight and passively kill anything. Meanwhile Fallout mechanics are broken, you turn invincible just going through the story, and you soon stop caring about positioning, damage types, criticals and failures, enemy equipment, or whatever.
>>317707151
>I like the way power armor feels
>but fusion cores
>Power Armor with the exception of fusion cores.
Glad we're on the same page now.
>>317707336
I'm just emphasizing how much they fucked up power armors by making them so fucking strong and not even halfway attempt to balance it out.
>>317707175
>The map design is an awful cluttered clusterfuck of generic inconsequential dungeons. Any backstory to locations is usually exposed through a terminal or two that still magically works in the ruins of a 200 year old building. Quantity over quality.
that's sort a moot point considering 70% of everything they make is like that and it's something we went in expecting. The rest I agree with.
>>317707175
>You bust into someones home/base/underground secret hiding place > we just met you, we usually don't do this but we trust you > here do some work for us.
FO3 and FO:NV were like this on some level. 4 copies 3's introduction to BoS almost exactly in fact.
>>317707336
>hate fusion cores
>>317707403
>how do you balance invincibility?
that's the whole reason why you need duracell batteries. Otherwise you'd never look back after they give you that suit.
>>317707513
>FO:NV were like this on some level
BoS put a collar on you, don't they? Boomers fucking shell your ass. NCR are relatively normal. House needs the chip. Fiends let you in if you bring drugs. You won't find Enclave without Arcade.
>>317707513
but what I'm saying is you'll NEVER run out of those cores unless you gimp yourself on purpose, so they might as well have made them weaker instead of 10 times better than the strongest regular armor.
>>317704195
>implying any other fucking company will put that much money into a project like this
Seriously, the reason bethesda have 0 FUCKING COMPETITION. is because its a huge risk for anyone other than fucking bethesda.
Which is godawful because it means bethesda is the only option for these sorts of games 2488
>>317707762
Nice.
>>317690003
>Also nausea from FOV
>Complaining about shit you can change with two console commands, one of which is literally FOV
N E O - /v/
>>317707403
The problem is they tried to balance them.
Power Armor shouldn't be balanced with all the other shit you find out in the wasteland.
The problem is like you said they gave it to you too early and then as a result needed to find a way to balance it, which is why we have fusion cores.
Power Armor should be a Mid-Late to Late game upgrade Power Armor should make you feel neigh on invincible it's fucking top of the line pre-war combat technology you're a Starship trooper smack dab in the middle of Madmax
>>317707886
Just make it so there are one or two available suits in the game and they're hard as fuck to get.
Oh wait lol, you get one in the first 10 minutes instead because it's AWESOME!
>>317707778
>They put that much money into the project and not just advertising and hard shilling
>>317707715
They shouls make cores fucking rare, not gimping the power armor. So weak ass characters or non combat build have a chance against op mobs.
Editing levelled list in Bethesda game is easy. just give the fusion core the same drop rate in any level like low levels and it is balance.
>>317707715
>, so they might as well have made them weaker instead
No, no no. Don't do that.
That's a terrible idea and ruins power armor entirely. Power Armor should be a liege better than the best non-powered armor at a minimum. Don't go trying to balance something that has no right being balanced.
>>317708001
and once you hit level 30 you'll find the best power suit variants in easy to find spots in the commonwealth because lol level scaling
beth games are just shallow power fantasies
Should I play the other Fallouts to get into the series?
1's battle system looks daunting compared to looking at the FPS that is 3,4.
>>317708047
There shouldn't be any need for fusion cores, they just should have made Power Armor rare.
>>317708047
I don't disagree with you, and rarer cores will definitely be a mod I'll pick up once GECK comes out. But it's so incredibly retarded by Beth to try to balance the improved power armors by adding fusion cores, then making them abundant as fuck and last forever completely invalidating the balance attempt.
>>317708089
>>317707886
>implying everyone and their moms wouldnt shoot for pa at lvl 30+ with a youtube guide
Now you actually have to think about using power armor or not in a situation. Like I said, just edit the levelled lists.
>>317689801
this faggot doesn't have an SSD
>>317707704
>>BoS put a collar on you, don't they?
...in the expansion, but he left the BoS...?
I always had veronica introduce me to them. You're right, it's fucking hard to get into the BoS, and even after you do alot of shit for them they still treat you like the outsider you are.
>>NCR are relatively normal.
You can just walk into the middle of their bases, camps, whatever without a problem (which is 'game normal' i guess). No wonder caeser's spies have their hand so far up the bear's prostrate.
>>Boomers fucking shell your ass.
>That was some wicked drug fueled sprinting anon-courier. Why don't you step inside, learn our tribal lore and fix all of our problems? Don't forget to pickup the sno-glob for Mr. House!
>>House needs the chip.
> you didn't die when benny shot you. That's the kind of BJ Blazkowicz initiative I had back in the day. Why don't you become my pet dragon, pull all the wires for me and please, please don't backstab me like the last guy?
>>317708190
This. The very existence of fusion cores is retarded, because one of them is supposed to last hundreds of years of actual use. Just make power armor actually hard to get, like the prize for some long late-game quest.
>>317708225
>actually trying to defend the shitty fusion core gimmick
Get out.
>>317708190
making thing rare in a singleplayer rpg game have never work. everybody would still have it, be it behind a lvl 200 deathclaw or not.
making uber gear consume something rare to use, now that is fun.
>>317689731
You mean Robby the Robot?
>>317708393
>making thing rare in a singleplayer rpg game have never work. everybody would still have it, be it behind a lvl 200 deathclaw or not.
Says who, you?
>making uber gear consume something rare to use, now that is fun.
See above.
>>317708001
>Just make it so there are one or two available suits in the game and they're hard as fuck to get.
>Oh wait lol, you get one in the first 10 minutes instead because it's AWESOME!
in their defense, you can use it for that intro battle, and 5 more min? I havn't been able to play much, but 20 hours in and I've found one more core. That rusty ass suit stares at me whenever I visit my crafting station at redrocket.
>>317708225
And that's fine, let them it's a single player game. You don't need to worry so much about balancing everything and making it fair. Power Armor can be that much better than everything else and it should.
It's far better than anyother alternative like fusion cores.
By the time you've hit 30 you could be most of the way through the game anyway.
The way you could do the early power armor and then limiting factor could be instead of getting a proper fusion core you have to use a jury rigged fusion core alternative, like a bunch of energy packs duct-taped together and only at the end of the game do you find the real Fusion Core.
>>317708474
I mean making GEARS rare in a sp rpg game have never worked for role playing. Just more tedium for people to get the same thing.
Make it consume a rare resource, now people will double think and diversify their playstyle.
Easy mode need not applied.
>>317708420
>>317689731
I hope you really meant Mr. Gutsy
It's too bad there arn't any uniques in-game. Fuck that pussy Codsworth
>>317708493
Funny, after getting the power armor I used it nonstop, You have two to start with, and then there are fusion cores in ruins right outside the city. I had 8 cores by the time I got back to sanctuary.
I guess it really does come down to how good you are at exploring and finding stuff.
>>317708661
>I mean making GEARS rare in a sp rpg game have never worked for role playing
Again, says who? I've always enjoyed working for that late game rare armor.
>Make it consume a rare resource, now people will double think and diversify their playstyle.
Or just mod it out because it's a gimmick and makes no sense lore wise. Maybe if Bethesda had balanced Fusion cores better I'd agree.
>>317708716
how lucky you are also.
>>317708676
>brought by Bethesda
>>317708493
You just got unlucky. 25-ish hours in I had like 15+ cores.
>>317708493
I'm sitting on 30 cores right now, you just don't know how to search
>>317708795
I don't think Luck really factors into it, I've never found a fusion core on a leveled loot container, they're usually in predetermined places that you can find regardless of your character's luck.
You the player just has to be good at looking for them.
>>317690034
Raiders lob a never ending stream of molotovs
Supermutants lob a never ending stream of molotovs
I haven't fought gunners much but I'm sure you see a trend emerging here.
>>317708089
It's not like "power fantasy" part is even bad, all FO games are to an extent. Beth ones are just really shallow and poorly paced.
>>317708337
>I always had veronica introduce me to them.
If you meet them otherwise (through ED-E, I guess), they force you to wear an explosive collar and do some quests until they remove it. Yeah, they're kind of assholes.
>You can just walk into the middle of their bases, camps, whatever without a problem
There are areas where you can't go without a permission (monorail), but otherwise NCR is pretty lax, I guess. Then again, you aren't the only civilian there, it's mentioned they accept bounty hunters like Little Buster. But yeah.
>Boomers
It's Mother Pearl's idea, she wants to contact the outside world.
And House, well, he's kind of desperate.
>>317708980
They definitely do drop, I've got 27 and i don't think i've looted that many dungeons. I believe they drop off of robots.
>>317708787
You can mod your game anyway you like. But the core ideas are: PAs are übergear, overequipped for most situation, but running it is really costly, pls explore another options.
To make both PAs and Cores rare, you just have to edit the levelled lists. Of course Bethesda make games for normies, they wont bother turn them into something special. Their ideas of PA fuel make for a more dynamic experience imo.
>>317701201
STR - 6
PER - 9
END - 3
CHA - 7
INT - 8
AGI - 6
LCK - 9
I think fallout 4 is okay. Not bad, but they could have put a little more effort into storyline and quests.Minutemen
>>317709183
They're artificial limitations on power armor that make no sense lore wise simply because Bethesda has no idea how to balance them, it's just a mark of incompetency
>>317709143
Alright, but the only ones I've found have been sitting on desks or shelves, or placed in those generators.
I've never found one just sitting in a container. and I don't think I've found one on a robot. I've noticed you can buy them from some merchants but other than that most of them are hand placed and findable regardless of the character's luck.
Fallout 4 is both a bad game and a bad fallout game.
New Vegas is a decent-good game and a great fallout game.
Even Fallout 3 is better than Fallout 4.
>>317689373
>mfw I like both
Feels like an anomaly man...
>>317709497
>>Even Fallout 3 is better than Fallout 4.
No.
>>317697241
Bitch, please
>>317709430
They make gameplay much better with any decent balance. Be it NV or FO4.
I would like them to buff pa combat effectiveness and nerf everything else about them even more.
>>317708380
>power armour training
would have fixed this shit, and removing the armour/deathclaw at the start
The deathclaw was pretty much two-shotting me in power armour and being a general bullet sink anyway, I didn't see anyway to get past it other than exploits or spending about 10 hours gathering drugs and levels beforehand
>>317689491
/thread
>>317692712
>>317701101
I bet you like fallout 4
>>317709967
>>power armor training
Nah, that's just another shitty way to stop you from using Power Armor, it's no better than fusion cores. Because then you have the problem of amassing power armor and just having it sit there because apparently your character is too stupid to figure how to get into it.
Power Armor just being exceedingly rare and hard to acquire is really the only way to do it right.
>>317707718
What the fuck is your back ground?
>>317710547
That's why I always gravitated to BoS in early games, they were often the way I was able to get power armor
made it feel special that it wasn't just lying around
>>317708225
>you have to actually think about using it or not
I thought I'd save up fusion cores for a point where I needed them, and ended up using power armour on about 5 major quests, most of the time I didn't need it except for glowing sea.
Finished the game with like 40 fusion cores though.
You don't have to think about shit other than "do I want this to be a cakewalk or not?"
>>317701049
This is the dumbest thing I've heard in this thread yet. You personify "Fanboyism". You'll defend whatever piece of trash Bethesda shoves down your throat because:
a.) You're a millenial with no basis of comparison when it comes to quality of games. You just buy whatever has the prettiest commercial. Don't lie and say you don't, you just proved to everyone here that you do.
b.) YOU are the intended audience: a casual with no concept of actual quality. That's why YOU defend the game despite people raising legitimate concerns over its quality - quality you have no way of quantifying because, again, as a stupid little shit you have no basis for comparison.
c.) Being a stupid little shit - and considering you are posting here, you probably have very limited social skills - means you are EXTREMELY SUSCEPTIBLE to "hivemind" thinking and "following the loudest voice in the room"....which in this case, is the paid off Gaming-Journalists and their paid-to-post lackeys added to the cacophony of idiocy that is fanboy idiots like yourself.
Don't post in this thread again.
>>317689939
Pretty much, something that always makes me not want to go back to new vegas is the fact that i need a whole bunch of mods to make it enjoyable and not have to deal with all the stuttering and crashing and graphics ain't everything but that game have not aged well.
>>317698360
Ulillillia?
Power leveling is truly an art.
Where are the robobrains in Fallout 4?
>>317702430
>>317701347
>>317705241
>You're not allowed to be intelligent! We will shun and mock them!
What happened? When did 4chan go from cynical intellectuals to drooling morons making fun of people who use their head?
>>317711841
>4chan
>cynical intellectuals
u wot m8
this place was founded by a SA weeb reject who wanted to jack off to lolies and animushit
>>317700586
>Fallout 3 and 4 has all of these different ways to go around and stuff so that makes it better lol!
Whoa, man. I forgot how much that made those games superior.
Meanwhile, NV has better writing, better SPECIAL, better skill layout, reputation system, hardcore mode, many interesting and fun skill checks, better and more uses of the speech skill, skill checks actually changing your dialogue depending on whether you have the required amount or not, more interesting factions, better characters, and probably more I'm forgetting.
>>317711953
>probably more I'm forgetting
Unique guns that look unique and sometimes have some neat history behind them!
>>317711929
Doesn't matter who founded it. Anonymity attracted cynical intellectuals who were smart enough to know what damage they would endure if they spoke openly, thus they came to 4chan to vent and discuss hard topics.
>>317712356
Fuck, I'm drunk and I'm not even sure if you are a genuine fedorian or having a giggle.
>>317712479
>Drinking on a weekday
As i said, simpler folks came and infested the place now, and is shooing out the original intelligent anons.
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>>317690218
Takes almost no effort to make the game look excellent
>>317712563
It's pretty early here, if I go to sleep soon I'll wake up relatively fresh for work.
>>317698360
Im 50 hours into the game and theres basically nothing on the map left to murder
>>317712356
agreed. I'm not saying i'm particularly smart myself but the only intelligent/interesting people i've ever talked to are on 4chan.
>>317702068
Games very satisfying with just a few mods
>>317689850
> fallout tactics isn't a fallout game
>>317701201
That depends if you're talking about the shitty FO4 SPECIAL, where 1 is the starting point/average. Or if you're talking about the actual good SPECIAL where 5 is the average.
>>317704485
because good RPG's tend to create much more believable and interesting worlds than the other games. So when a RPG gets popular the franchise will tend to get less complicated, and less interesting as it will apeal to a larger audience. Obviously this leaves the game a pseduo RPG and very shallow mechanics, so the games usually are hated by their original audience.
>>317713575
>the actual good SPECIAL
Hmmm.
>>317712823
content dries up after the main quest, really. after that its just time spent exploring fruitlessly
>>317711841
Anyone who claims to have 10 INT, as in the highest intelligence possible, has some sort of mental disorder. You have to at least be a little humble anon.
>>317709110
Yeah, the shallow part is the bad one. I want my road to power to be tough. I want to feel the struggle and feel a sense of accomplishment. FO4 completely fails at this. Even without the power armor I can stunlock everything from raiders to legendary to alpha deathclaws with a shotgun. Wearing a power armor in addition to this just makes it that much more trivial. I don't feel like I'm on a power trip, ever, you're just shitting on everything without even trying.
>>317712823
They look like ninja turtles.
>>317714689
With a game like Fallout I think, it's about having some goals. Like, it's okay if a combat-focused char is good with the pistol and a varmint rifle and can put the fear of God in some raiders. But there are should be things to aspire to. "Wow, that minigun is really cool and I wish I could get it at some point and enough ammo and skill to handle it" or "I wish I could get that armour on the cover" or "Damn, those deathclaws are tough, I can't take on them... yet". And then you do some quests and exploring and such, and then you can do that. And it feels good.
>>317704226
I fucking hate that Marcy Long cunt. Why is she essential?
When will people stop blindly defending Bethesda for releasing broken shitty messes they call "games"?
>>317715749
When will idiotic people stop existing?never
Here, you have your answer
>>317696165
>can't even spell plebeian
don't you wonder why every time you use that word it has a red squiggle line underneath it?
>>317689373
Fallout 4
>it's a bad game and a worse Fallout game
Fallout New Vegas
>it's a good game and the only true sequel to FO1&2
>>317708225
You could actually make Power Armor a choice.
Power Armor is a lot of things but it shouldn't be stealthy. Power Armor is the guns blazing route the big thuds of stompy metal feet, the cha-chunks of hydraulic cylinders actuating, and the hum it's power and the sound of servos motors should more or less rule out ever getting the drop on someone in it unless you're standing perfectly still in a low power state or sniping a guy from 100m or more.
Lets say you have a tense hostage situation. Raiders have grabbed some settlers and if you're detected they just start shooting innocent people, rolling up to the front door in Power Armor would mean their certain doom, but if that's how you want to play it you're free to do so. However you could also use a stealth boy, sneak by all the guards and release the captive settlers without anyone noticing.
The choice should be "Do I want this mission to be piss easy" or "Do I want to save those fusion cores for some later mission".
>BOS is this god tier we don't do wrong faction trying to save the world, while all the others are really just full of shit or plain evil
>No tribes or small under developed factions like that, everyone just lives in "settlements" like this is some sort of walking dead shit. (CORAL ITS A WOOOLKER!)
>also, what was the point of moving the game hundreds of years after 2 if we see none of the progress that was made from the previous games, if we are going to the east coast why not let us start from scratch again?
I like Fallout 3 and 4 but there is no denying Bethesda is trying too hard to fill these games with "cool" and "epic" shit.
I want more wasteland struggle damn it.
>>317711069
You are bitching about a game not intended for you. I'm sorry, but you're being the stupid little shit here.
FO4 was designed for a different audience (why else would they make it a generic FPS in the first place, if this wasn't in the case?) it understandable that you're upset because you enjoyed the previous games in the series. But because the game isn't the game you wanted it to be doesn't make it a bad game. You are not the intended audience, it is a fucking solid title. It doesn't do Fallout any justice, but it's a good title on it's own, and its fucking successful. So expect FO5 to be just like this.
I am not wrong in my statement saying those that dislike this game are not the intended audience and that's true.
Fallout 4 is a bad game, and a bad Fallout. It's not even a fucking RPG any more.
New Vegas is a mediocre game, but a decent Fallout. Nearly every single design decision and piece of script is ten times the quality of Bethesda's.
>>317723453
>New Vegas is a mediocre game
It's a good game.
>>317689373
Story in fallout 3 and 4 = cringe-inducingly awful
New Vegas was stupid, yet tolerable but it barely worked on release
>>317719470
I don't at all understand why Bethesda insists on calling their shitty entries numbered sequels. They clearly don't intend to add any connection to the previous games, nor do they try to make the lore make any sense.
Why can't New Vegas be Fallout 3 while FO3 and FO4 get spinoff names?
>Fallout 4
>good game
>Fallout New Vegas
>bad game
