Fallout 4
>it's a good game but a bad Fallout game
Fallout New Vegas
>it's a bad game but a good Fallout game
Discuss.
>>317689373
No.
>>317689373
>Fallout 4
>it's a good game but a bad Fallout game
More like "it's a good Skyrim spin-off, just medicore game"
No. New Vegas is a pretty good game, and definitely better than Fallout 4.
Is Fallout 4 better than Skyrim? do the changes in the engine and gameplay look good for the next TES?
Protectron is the only positive thing Bethesda brought to the universe. He's great.
>>317689727
I could be wrong but I could swear there are way more loading screens in FO4 than Skyrim. I spend so much fucking time in loading screens it's really killing my motivation to finish the retarded main quest.
Also there are more dialogue heavy sections, which would be nice if the dialogue wasn't so FUCKING BORING.
>>317689373
Anything after 2 isn't a fallout game, they're fallout spin-offs and in all honesty not that bad beyond Brotherhood of Steel which is the video game equivalent of dysentery.
>>317689373
Fallout 4
>it's a "fun" game but a bad Fallout game
Fallout New Vegas
>it's an unfinished game but a good Fallout game
>>317689727
Next TES COULD, if Todd goes berzerk, become the greatest RPG ever made.
>>317689373
No.
Fallout 4
>It's an average game but a terrible fallout game
Fallout New Vegas
>It's a great game and a great Fallout game
>>317689801
Both of those aspects seemed pretty on-par with skyrim (or any other gamebyro game) for me.
Collecting junk makes my wrist hurt
Also nausea from FOV and weird lighting at times
I literally am too tired to finish this game
>>317689373
What the hell is that comparison screenie supposed to be. If you wanted to make NV look bad, you shouldn't have 4 look almost exactly the same. Looks like they belong to the same game, just different models.
Fallout SOON? /v/ Russia and Nato may start ww3 today
One thing Fallout 4 did right, was the enemy design and combat ai.
Raiders take cover, even behind cars, and are crap shots.
Gunners spread out, fire carefully and shoot at cars if you cover behind them.
Mole Rats dig and pop up around you.
Feral Ghouls run and walk unpredictably, knock you and run around disorientating your aim.
Dogs will run up, and circle you allowing others in the pack to attack you from behind while you try and aim at the one distracting you.
>>317689956
>New Vegas
>>It's a great game
>>317690034
It's still years behind every other first person shooter, but it is a marked improvement.
>>317690034
>crap shots
>>317690059
player still moves like in a ps2 game
i am not even joking
>>317690003
>Also nausea from FOV and weird lighting at times
i get nausea from looking around small areas. drives me insane. fuck collecting mats
fallout 4 fucking sucks
so much about it is awful. so much that is awful about it was fixed in NV but somehow the incompetent fucks seemed to learn NOTHING from what new vegas did right.
not only that, but it's a fucking mess, unoptimized (get drops into 20fps and lower in boston with a 390 overclocked) and the AI is still garbage.
And that's all not even mentioning the fucking storythank god I didn't pay for this pile of shit
>>317690184
Same. What were they fucking thinking
>>317690034
I noticed facing a group of raiders, some take cover, others just run right up to you shooting.
Gunners and Triggermen spread out and stay behind cover they'll even move back if you get close and try and stay in optimal range of their pistols and machineguns.
>game just comes out and hasn't had a patch or update to it yet
>everybody complains it is complete shit
>a few updates later everyone loves it
>everyone finds something new to complain about
>>317689727
I think the core gamplay of Fallout 4 is better than skyrim by far.
Fallout 4 just has to be a good shooter, thats the bare bones basic of what most people expect.
Skyrim's combat system would have to be more indepth than left click left click left click, something that even modders couldnt fix.
However, the world of skyrim allows for actual roleplaying, as long as you install certain mods, while the world of Fallout 4 is so barebones and uninteresting that, even if they had added proper RPG elements to the game, the world would still be less engaging and interesting than skyrim's.
Skyrim still isnt a very good game though.
>>317690437
>hurr im above the meta look at meee
You
>>317690184
So change it in the INI. You are playing on PC, aren't you, anon...?
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>>317689951
The next TES will be dogshit if they dont move to a new engine already.
>mfw Fallout 4's loading times, glitches, visual assets and physics
>>317690790
>The next TES will be dogshit if they dont move to a new engine already.
B-but Todd's incompetent team of cunts aren't proficient enough in using anything else.
>>317690790
>Gambryo
>THE CURRENT YEAR
I mean come on guys, it's THE PRESENT YEAR ON THE GREGORIAN CALENDER!
>>317690218
>390OC
>20fps
That's what you get for using inferior Hardware.
I run a 750ti, high everything, except godrays, 60fps.
Only ever drop frames during the first second after a load or when to many enemies are firing at once.
>>317689607
toaster detected
>>317689373
>Fallout 4
>>it's a good game
Kill yourself shill.
Fallout New Vegas
>it's one of the best RPGs of last generation and a great Fallout game
>>317690865
>/v/ still cares more about Graphics than gameplay.
It's 23x£Potato, come on
>>317689939
This.
>>317691009
>One of the best RPG's
>NV
It was also your first RPG or you'd see how bland the game is with Expac support and how little you choices mattered in the game.
>>317690913
I'm on a 970 with everything maxed out, it still randomly shits itself with performance. It'll be fine in a built-up street but then choke out in the middle of nowhere with some dead trees.
>>317691064
The engine can't do fucking ladders properly with their implementation. It's holding the games back mechanically and in pure technical competence. In THE YEAR OF OUR LORD 2015 this is not acceptable.
>fallout NV is a bad game.
Bethesdrone spotted
>>317689373
>There are people in this sekai that think fallout 4 isn't a good game
Eat shit casual shitfucks. Name a better open world RPG.
Witcher doesn't count because 3 weapon types and no customization.
>>317689727
The engine changes are good, but don't really address any of Skyrim's biggest problems. They need a much better melee system (untouched by Fallout 4), environmental interaction like climbing ledges/ladders, and a much better spell system than the ball/spray/aoe variants they have now.
If they take a good hard look at something like Dragon's Dogma's gameplay and steal whatever they can (like they said they did for Fallout 4 and shooters), it might end up passable. I wouldn't count on it though. We'll see more minecraft fighting waving around pool noodles, but have to pick up every piece of trash in the environment and The Elder Scrolls' current fanbase will eat it up.
>>317691215
Fallout IV is not really a RPG anymore.
>>317690034
I'm pretty sure a lot of that is just the AI doing things randomly and making it look like it's programmed
like half of that is probably bad pathfinding
>>317689373
Fallout 4 is all flash no substance, if they didnt simplify so much and take out a lot of shit from New Vegas it would be a decent fallout game.
New Vegas lied to me in the title of the game, shit should be called fallout mojave because vegas is so shit and forgettable, no heists, no high rolling entourages to join etc, not much good about vegas itself but a few of the characters and the backstory.
The one thing fallout 3 and 4 has are events in the world that were outstanding and memorable (blowing up megaton, fighting with liberty prime, when the brotherhood show up in their airship etc) The only striking events I can think of in New Vegas are the come fly with me quest and the boomers bombing the dam in the final battle, most of my memorable moments in new vegas just come from the gameplay and story.
Bethesda fallouts stray too much from the original fallout lore. But new vegas felt like it could have been so much more, dead money is another offender to me, instead of the shit speakers they should have had some nemesis like monster hunting you alongside the ghost people.
>>317691294
It's still more of an RPG than The Witcher 3, family.
>>317691119
Hahahahahahahahahaha.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_3_endings
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_4_endings
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas_endings
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That is the most untruthful thing I've ever seen.
Its a fallout game, there nothing new in it, it doent differs from the previous fallouts.
7/10
>>317689373
I've seen a single one of the endings now and taking a break from the game for the first time since release date. Not even neet, I do have a job to go to, so this has been almost all of my freetime for two weeks.
Game's very good, that's all I can say. I see endless complaints about trivial issues or things that I've been lucky enough not to have a problem with. Solid 8/10.
>>317691215
>FO4
>RPG
>>317689801
RIP in peace Long Dick Johnson
>>317691336
>it doent differs from the previous fallouts.
Outside of removing features you mean
>>317689801
>>317689983
When I played Skyrim I had the mod that loaded towns and houses and stuff when you got close to them, taking out all of the loading screens.
In FO4 it loads quite often
>>317689951
Summerset Isles or Elsweyr?
>>317690015
Shit already started, didn't you hear about the nukes launching?
>>317689727
The engine still fucks up above 66 Hz so it's barely changed. I wonder if the game is ever gonna get a high framerate fix mod like Oblivion did.
>>317691337
Oh and this said: FNV is still my favorite Fallout game, and I think Skyrim was garbage through and through. If that matters, that is.
Here's how I play Fallout 4
>I wanna shoot, let's fire up the game
>meh, I'm bored of shooting, screw this game
I play it in 2 hour bursts every 2 days. The world is just stupid, bland and boring, just scattered clumps of various buildings and raiders groups which feel like something that just pads up the game as to seem more explorable than it actually is.
>>317691064
The engine isn't just graphics, anon, it's what allows the gameplay to exist. Gamebryo is so hilariously out of date that basic 2015 mechanics need to be shoehorned in through easy-to-break hackjobs, and simple physics and collision have trouble working properly. Then there's how the shit performance actively harms modding, but that's another can of worms.
>>317689373
Both are good games. Especially New Vegas.
>>317689373
Companions are better in Fo4
>>317689607
>>317689956
>>317691009
>>317691213
Have fun playing talk-to-faction-simulator.
Don't mind the rest of us enjoying F4.
Have a good day
>>317691682
This. There's not even any comparison.
>>317691686
good day
>>317691141
>3.5+.5gb card
>wonders why there are drops in performance
>>317691331
Anon never said anything about Bethesda Fallout anon.
>>317691686
I could accept this post if FO4's factions weren't all complete and utter shit giving you the same two missions twelve times each.
>>317689956
>It's a great game
NV's gameplay and bland world keep me from replaying it
>>317691331
Have fun playing shitty plot infested "fpsrpg" while im sniping behind 7 anomalies.
>>317691686
>>317691934
My nigga
>>317691328
Please explain, because that is definitely worth reading, for one reason or another.
Either it is hilarious stupid, or transcendingly revelatory.
>>317691294
>not really an open world RPG anymore
Yeah they should really make another wasteland
OH WAIT THERE IS A GAME LIKE THAT IF YOU WANT TO PLAY THAT 20 YEAR OLD SHIT.
>>317689373
Fallout 4 is not a bad game.
Kill yourself.
>>317691958
replace fallout 4 with bloodborne and the image is accurate.
>>317692063
First I'd like you to tell what defines an RPG.
>>317692071
Wasteland 2 came out last year dipshit.
>>317692071
Yeah, let's make every game an FPS, please. Other genres are for grampas
>>317692120
>bethdrone reading comprehension
>>317691682
> oh god you pick lockpicks so good gurrl, let's fuck
> good
>>317689373
>bad game
>fnv
yeah, nah
>>317692130
That image is accurate no matter what.
>>317692185
No, first you explain what your claim to greater detail, then I´ll explain what makes an RPG. Therapeutical, or otherwise.
As I said, I am ready and willing to be amazed.
>>317691850
>Buying into the memecard stuff
>Thinking it excuses an awfully made game
I can max out just about everything else I throw at it, including far prettier games.
>>317692185
>Evasive mode engaged
Played FO4 for quite a bit in the first few days then just..got bored and I don't have the motivation to play it anymore.
Finished FO1 yesterday and been playing FO2 all day today, such better fucking games from writing to world to atmosphere, after FO2 is done going onto NV, but even then NV doesn't capture that brooding atmosphere of 1/2 sadly. (thanks Gamebyro), in fact in terms of atmosphere, Stalker is probably closer to FO1/2 than any of the 3D titles.
I kind of agree, except I don't think NV is a bad game, it's just a meh game.
Also, Fallout 4 keeps a lot of the spirit of the older titles at least.
>>317691958
Most people don't carry spergs either.
>>317691328
Black Ops 2 was more of a RPG than Bethesdas Fallouts.
>>317692539
>Fallout 4 keeps a lot of the spirit of the older titles at least.
In what fucking way?
>>317692406
It's quite simple, really. TW3 is a fantasy adventure game, not an RPG. Name for me one RPG element in The Witcher that you won't find in Fallout 4. I'll wait.
>>317692253
>My opinion > your opinion
>>317692539
>Also, Fallout 4 keeps a lot of the spirit of the older titles at least.
Liek for example?
>>317692529
>>317691958
Can someone explain? Im not sure if I understand.
>>317692647
Name one RPG element in fallout4 you wont find in Witcher3.
do people who like fo4 really want all open world shooters to just become even more like far cry? is this like the dark souls kids who want every arpg to be like dark souls? why can't games be different?
>>317690913
>750Ti
>Budget Card
>Not inferior Hardware
>1024x768
>Low
Shill somewhere else
>>317692625
>In what fucking way?
Synths are running around and the lore seems all wacky. It's in Spirit of Tactics, and it has attracted a lot of hate so it's like BoS. :^)
>>317692625
>>317692668
I can't really describe it, but, atmosphere?
>>317692529
>brooding atmosphere of ... 2
what
>Stalker is probably closer to FO1/2
god no
>>317692738
Your turn.
>>317692647
Still waiting for the explanation. That is more of a diversion of guilt of proof, coupled with another unbased claim.
>people rating fallout 4 higher than 4/10 at best
I wish I still had low standards so I could enjoy more things.
>>317692889
>GURPS is one of the few things that's survived Bethesda's abuse of Fallout
I'm not sure how I feel about any of this, to be honest.
>>317692889
Character generation isn´t inherent to RPGs.
Being forced to play a determined character can be roleplaying just as much as defining your own character.
>>317692889
>Here, look at my fundamentally gutted stat system which is now bordering on useless
>>317692897
It's an 8/10 that could have been a 9 without all the bugs and performance issues.
>>317691215
>good game
>open world
>>317693037
If this was their own franchise, they would have removed it already like they removed attributes in Skyrim.
It just wouldn't be Fallout without it.
There's just no personality in this game
This is what happens when you go to a voiced protag
Go to Diamond City and no one wants to talk, the entire main quest is just go somewhere and kill someone and that's it
I spent about 3 seconds with Kellogg before I killed him, sure that quest where I got inside of his head afterwards was cool but I didn't even get to know the dude before I iced him
>>317691141
>Have to pay the same amount of money between graphic card generations to play a game at the same FPS a marginal graphical difference.
>>317693119
You need some form of customization for that determined character for it to be a "real" RPG
>>317693214
*with a
>>317693119
That doesn't explain how TW3 is any more a roleplaying game than FO4. You wanted me to specify a roleplaying element that's not found in TW3, now where's yours, friend?
>>317693214
>I'm bitter about not being able to afford a decent PC
My half a decade old rig wasn't exactly cutting it anymore, anon. Every PC has to be new at some point.
>>317693037
GURPS and SPECIAL aren't even close to the same thing. Interplay rewrote the system after they lost the licence for better or worse.
>>317689373
>>it's a bad game but a good Fallout game
>>317692804
Why doesn't Bethesda licence UE4? It's not like you can't make a copy of construction set to be identical to the one they use for 15 years. Or hell, Zenimax owns fucking idtech, the literal technosorcery of engines.
>>317693389
>no counter argument
surely you are the winner here
>>317693221
Why?
>>317693348
For worse. Though "SPECIAL" does sound like a good acronym.
>>317693707
todd would have to fire his animator buddy
>>317692889
Special doens't matter, if you level high enough you can unlock all perks. RPGs usually have some cap to avoid that.
>yfw the engine betheda used for fallout 4 predates fallout 1
>>317693743
Because otherwise every game where you play a character is counted as an rpg.
>Move out of the way, Halo 5, black ops, walking simulators and the like are the new rpgs on the block.
You people are all whiny bastards, dear lord. Just enjoy the fu9cking game, and enjoy it even more in 6 months when mods are out. If you didnt enjoy the game thats fine, but stop crying about it jesus christ.
>>317693780
I disagree. SPECIAL was actually made with video games in mind. GURPS was copy/pasting a tabletop system.
>>317693939
>every game where you play a character is counted as an rpg
ding ding, we have a winner!
>>317693119
>>317692738
>>317692647
Still genuinely curious to know what you think classifies TW3 as an RPG if Fallout 4 is not. Please take your time on your reply.
>>317693956
SPECIAL was also hastily thrown together and badly balanced.
>>317693940
Why should I? So we both have the same opinion and you can be in a hugbox?
>>317690034
>Raiders take cover, even behind cars, and are crap shots.
Until they spam Molotov's from 100 yds away
>>317694024
Did you read my post idiot? Have your own opinions, but I dont see the point in crying about every aspect in this game all the time as you whiny faggots tend to do. its a decent game, definitely not perfect, but it does fine. at this point 90% of the people bit ching about it just do it to make themselves feel good/because crying about bethesda games is mainstream
>>317693274
I
>>317692406
>>317692063
Asked for an explanation why F4 is more of an RPG than W3, and as far as your assumed posting goes that hasn´t been adequatly expounded.
You haven´t explained why a character screen/character generation, makes W3 less of an RPG than F4.
You continue with claims without definitive groundwork.
>>317693956
>GURPS was copy/pasting a tabletop system.
The most robust tabletop system you can find. It's fantastic for world building and the only drawback is the extensive amounts of different rule books you need to cross reference, and the amount of cross references in each book. All that is solved by having a computer do it for you.
>>317693939
Nah man, an RPG is a game where your character, slef made or not is confronterd with choice and consequence, and the reaction of the world to those choices and consuqnces
>>317694142
God, there's this group called the Forged. If you thought raiders were molotov spamming bastards, wait till you see that group.
>>317689373
theyre both bad games and bad fallout games
>>317694219
How much would a set like that cost?
I have a bunch of cinder blocks and planks that I need to make use of and a book shelf is as good of a use as any.
>>317694191
Nigger, are you telling me you need a fucking explanation for why game mechanics that allow for role-playing help define a game as an RPG?
What exactly does the term a "role-playing game" mean to you? RPG mechanics in Fallout 4 are few, true, but they're there. Now what does The Witcher 3 have that Fallout doesn't?
>>317694219
Eh, Gurps is a bit too heavy. I know some people like when chatracter creation resembles Microsoft Access in complexity, but I prefer streamlining in tabletop with narration filling the gaps.
>>317694282
>Nah man, an RPG is a game where your character, slef made or not is confronterd with choice and consequence
>confronterd with choice and consequence
>choice and consequence
So not FO4, then?
>>317694142
>Put on decent mid-late game power armor
>Tank through grenades without noticing and just ignore fire
It feels so good. It's also pretty neat to just fucking walk through water, even if I've had to tcl my way out of a few situations that Bethesda clearly never accounted for. Didn't really feel like leaving my T-60 and frame at the bottom of a well in a ghoul-infested quarry's mine.
>>317694219
I wish I had some people to play pen and paper stuff with. The possibilities for it seem incredible, but I've just never had any friends that would be into it.
>>317694430
Hard to say really a lot of the books are out of print. A softcover basic rule book would set you back about 20 bucks at printing, and the supplement books were anywhere from 5 bucks to 20, but there were literally over a hundred books in 3rd ed alone.
>>317693967
You realize that basically makes the term meaningless right? If every game is an rpg, why bother saying it at all? The answer is that when we say role-playing game, we have ideas about what qualities are associated with role playing games. It's like saying that cereal is soup; it might be technically true but if I say "want some soup?" you have an idea what I'm referring to, and it's probably not cereal. Cereal is at the edge of the schema. Some soups are more 'soupy' than outer examples like cereal. Likewise when we say RPG, we have ideas about what that means. Technically every game with a player character is an rpg, but when we say rpg, we aren't likely to be referring to this; there are aspects of a game that make them more or less RPG-esque. The witcher has lost enough attributes associated with core RPG examples to say that it's less of an RPG than Fallout 4, which still has more of them. There may be a gradient of different hues between red and yellow, but they aren't the same color. We can say some oranges are more red, and some more yellow and not be wrong.
>>317694616
>I wish I had some people to play pen and paper stuff with. The possibilities for it seem incredible, but I've just never had any friends that would be into it.
I don't know what your town is like but most comic books stores around me run groups. However this is not me saying go join these groups, because they're not fun, go there, hang out for a couple of sessions weed out all the edgelords and find a nice bunch of people who are fun to hang out with and try to organise a group with them at another time at another place.
>>317694551
>Gurps is a bit too heavy.
Pen and paper is, on a video game it streamlines. Look at J. E. Sawyers Fallout pen and paper if you want to see what Fallout would look like on the table top. It's a hot mess without a computer running all the calculations, and that's after they turned SPECIAL into SIMPLE and tried to streamline the system.
>>317694753
Jesus fucking Christ, reel in the autism. Yes, in the absence of the DM, rpg term is meaningless cause you literally can't play a role if your options are limited by game's programming.
>>317694581
There are consequences, we just don't see them all listed out in some big ending cut scene. They're more immediate, and perhaps just as long lasting.
>>317694705
>but there were literally over a hundred books in 3rd ed alone.
You under estimate how many cinder blocks I have.
>>317694930
You can probably buy the pdf's from warehouse13 then find some print on demand store to do it for you if you really want to have a shelf full of books you'll use once then never have need for again because you only wanted a single table from GURPS Burrito for your game about Gundams running a Taco stand.
>>317693956
SPECIAL was a hacked together system that happened when the GURPS deal fell through. GURPS would have been a much much better system for the game and would have resulted in much, much better combat than what we got.
>>317694890
Not what I said at all. Roleplaying is feasible in a video game, given that the game sits in the place of the DM and the rulebook. This is good because I'll never have to see a game imitate a little girl with a gruff mans voice, and then pause mid sentence to wipe snot out of it's mustache. I was saying that the idea that every game is a roleplaying game, so some can't be less rpg than others was wrong. Roleplaying isn't some exercise in the freedom of the mind, or giant rulebooks wouldn't be necessary.
>>317691337
Just like me, I took homeoffice to power through the game.
I'm relieved I finally reached one of the endings, so I can go back to my normal life.
>>317690003
Fixing the FOV is easy as fuck.
>>317692712
Hes calling F4 fans normie casual plebians
>>317691686
Fucking desert walking simulator, not to mention there's nothing to explore
>inb4 muh obsidian
>>317693896
The higher your level, the more unfeasible it is to level further. 10 intelligence and I'm not exactly rocketing on up to being the 10/10/10/10/10/10/10 +all perks god that it's theoretically possible to become.
>>317691337
>>317695509Please Todd, I have schoolwork to do.
>>317689727
No, Skyrim was bland and soulless but had a lot more variety and things to do than F4
>>317697178
>Forgot image.
>>317689373
Op. Honestly. I found NV to be just a time waster. Even with the dlcs. It just was something to waste time on. It was more boring than 3. It was funny but it wasn't as fun I found fallout 4 wasn't as funny but was more fun. The only thing I would want from NV is the ammo bench and wild wasteland. Other than that NV was just boring.
>>317689373
>Fallout 4
>it's a good game
Wrong,
>>317697563
>It was funny but it wasn't as fun I found fallout 4 wasn't as funny but was more fun.
ok
>>317689951
TES VI is just going to shoehorn in the FO4 building system. They'll bring back armor diversity and try to work in weapon/armor modding, but the skill system will be overhauled in a way that pisses off fans.
>>317689373
That's backwards
guys, what is the button (on PC version) to holster/put down your weapon?
>>317697817
Hold R.
>>317697919
thx dood
>>317697683
Funny = fun
No you keklord. As in humor I found NV to have a little more. But that didn't make the game fun. It just added " well you're already suffering. Here a have a giggle."
>>317691316
> Fallout 3 strays from lore
2 and NV both raped what 1 set up. The lore has been fucked from the second a sequel was made. 3 actually did the least damage by being set on the other side of the US.
>>317696861
Currently 172, still leveling faster than expected.
So, Nope.
>>317698360
>Level 172
Anon, do you play this game from sunrise to sunset 7 days a week?
>>317698201
How did 2 "rape" 1? It was by the same writers.
>>317698360
do you have all perks already?
>>317694401
Goddamn I hated them, had to fight them at around the time .38 became worthless due to scaling and I had little good ammo.
Fuck Fallout 4 , I can´t play more than 2 hours without the memory leak to kick in and fuck up all my framerate.
>>317698671
Stop trying to run the game on a literal toaster.
kind of bored it already 70h played
>>317692529
> Fallout 2 - brooding
Better give ke'eng rat his cheesy poofs and eat your deathclaw omlettes so you can fight the monty python rabbit!
I liked 2 but only 1 and 3 had a remotely 'brooding' atmosphere.
>>317698671
>Make proper amount of currency
>upgrade and get new pc parts
>?????????
> having a non shitty rig
>profit
>>317689373
the design on the left looks better
>>317691686
Yeah, enjoy your Ancient Aliens sequel. thats literally one of the quest lines. you literally find out aliens made humanity.
>>317689956
You know, /v/ is the only place that says Fallout is god's gift to earth. Everyone else on the planet feels like the story in New Vegas was better, especially in regards to factions, but the exploration was mediocre and a huge missed opportunity. Lets be honest, why in the hell include one of the largest air force bases in the nation, and literally have nothing but paranoid former vault dwellers and fire ants? Where is the tech? or crashed planes? Or something. Overall my dream is Obsidian writes the story and factions, but Bethesda creates the world.
>>317698685
>game is poorly optimized
>LMAO DUDE STOP PLAYING A TOASTER Xd
Why is it that i can run MGSV 1080p@60fps but not this shit game that doesnt look any better than a 2010 shooter? Yeah it must be my toaster Xddd
>>317698434
No it wasn't. Avellone had nothing to do with 1, nor did much of the writing team.
>>317698816
So? Panspermia is a very real possibility, anon.
>>317698884
I don't know what you've been arguing about but you sound like a massive faggot.
>>317689373
Both are bad games. If you believe FO4 gunplay is improved enough to be considered decent you not only have shit taste in RPGs but shooters as well.
>mfw New Vegas is a good game and a good Fallout game
Balance, dude.
>>317690463
We need an interesting NPC's and faction/area overhaul for FO4 so fucking badly. I pray to gaben that Trainwiz makes one of his signature over the top train mods for FO4.
>>317698360
How is that physically possible - I'm at 110 hours and I'm only level 64
Fallout 4
>it's a bad game and a bad Fallout game
Fallout New Vegas
>it's a bad game and a bad Fallout game
Fixed that for you millennial fucking casual consolefaggots.
>>317699016
If you keep saying it then maybe one day it will be true and not just your personal hot opinion.
>Thinking you can objectively call other's taste bad
>>317691273
All the next TES will need to crush everything that came before it is for the combat to resemble an unlocked play dark souls.
I only fear that in exchange for doing this(as they did with sharpening the combat and controls for FO4) everything else will suffer so much that it will become another travesty.
>>317699245
it's cute when old people know how to use the internet
>It's a good game but a bad "FRANCHISE X" game
I'm getting sick and tired of this lame ass fucking excuse for casualising the shit out of a settled franchise.
>>317699250
I know this concept is alien to you, but some people are actually intelligent enough to have an objective opinion that trumps weak willed tool's subjectiveness. It's called experience and knowledge. Two powerful forces.
>>317689373
Bernie from Roosterteeth mentions that Fallout 4 is the absolute best Fallout to date and that New Vegas is awful. Any other opinions are shit.
>>317699393
When will you faggots learn that making things more casual is just good business sense? No one wants to read walls of text, deal with min maxing shit or distributing points.
>>317691518
I have a question about Gamebyro tho, i know it's shit and i awknoledge it's shit, but the main reason why we can make amazing mods and the console commands are easy as fuck because they are carried over the games isn't gamebyro? im worried that actually changing from Gamebyro would kill the chance to make such substancial mods, like scripts and all that shit.
>>317692529
I haven't seen anyone try to shill that awful meme series STALKER in years, why start again?
>>317699610
>And I base this on my own feelings and absolutely nothing else
You can play every game on earth and your taste still isn't any more objective on what a good video game is than a 12 year old's.
New Vegas is far and away the best modern Fallout game. Probably the best Fallout game of all time. For all of its flaws I have no hesitation in calling it a masterpiece.
>>317698360
> Posts bullshit
> Gets called out on bullshit
> Stops posting like the autist he is
>>317699245
>Fallout
>a console franchise
>>317699726
The reason Gamebryo games are so moddable is because Bethesda provides modding tools for them. As long as they keep doing that, very little would change.
>>317699946
>reading comprehension
>>317699851
>t. 12 year old gamer who knows everything
Seniority exist for a reason.
>>317693967
>le man who takes the acronym completely literally meme
Is Call of Duty a point and click adventure?
Is Starcraft a fighting game?
It's just a best-fit name that refers to a group of core mechanics, you're just being wilfully obtuse
>>317691686
>people actually unironically defend fallout 4 on /v/
Unreal.
>>317700471
>>317689373
isn't that NV model reused from Fallout 3?...
anyway the biggest complaint I hear people had about NV was the shooting, which I never understood, it felt pretty tight to me. then again I actually invested in gun skills and perks, so I didn't encounter much of the "RNG" aspect
new vegas was shit in these ways
>shooting was awful
>questing was awful
>the map was awful, it was like a flat sand area with one small straight city in the middle
>bugs were awful
>animations were awful
>graphics were awful
>AI was awful
>no bosses
at least 4 got shooting right
>>317689373
Fallout 4
It's an ok game and a decent Fallout game
Fallout New Vegas
it's a good game and a good Fallout game
Discuss.
>>317691682
The companion mechanics like being able to command them to do stuff, having interaction with other companions etc. was a lot better than previous installments. But the companion quests were pretty awful
>>317700586
agree family
we should really be having a Stalker vs Fallout discussion instead and how Stalker shits on Fallout
>>317700586
That is probably the most bullshit image I've seen circulating on /v/ in a long time.
The strip was a massive disappointment for me but everything else about New Vegas was vastly superior to Fallout 3.
>>317698838
I wish I could say you're right but most normal people prefer fallout 3 much more highly compared to new vegas in regards of story and writing. Don't ask me why but I've seen my fair share of arguments saying fallout 3 is the better game.
>>317700539
>>317689373
Are you high?
>>317689373
Fallout 4
>it's a bad game
Fallout New Vegas
>it's a good game
Daily reminder that those that hate Fallout 4 hate it because it's popular and they are not it's intended audience.
>>317696165
can someone please explain? It's like you all are speaking in a different language and I don't understand...
>>317700957
>>317700586
>>317698838
New Vegas had far better writing and dialogue options compared to Fallout 3. I actually wanted to talk to NPCs in that game where in Skyrim, Fallout 3, and other Bethesda games, talking to NPCs feels mostly fruitless due to how limited your options are.
>>317701049
>people who dislike a game dislike it because they dislike it
>>317700586
>actually defending the shitty invisible rubble walls in Fallout 3
fuck you and the horse you rode in on
>>317692539
>Also, Fallout 4 keeps a lot of the spirit of the older titles at least.
When was the spirit of the older titles, in the words of Pete Hines
>lol fuck consistency that's nerd shit
>>317699919
> Has played one fallout game
Welcome to the series
Post your real life SPECIAL
STR - 3
PER - 8
END - 3
CHA - 7
INT - 10
AGI - 6
LCK - 1
>>317696327
Even worse, Boston swamp simulator with even less to explore.
>>317698553
No, you need to be ~370 for that iirc
>>317701115
>person a doesn't like broccoli
>new recipe comes out broccoli and cheese soup
>its fairly popular
>person a shit posts in broccoli threads abouit how he hates broccoli
>>317701201
>INT 10
*tips fedora
>>317701228
wrong nigger
there are about 100 times more areas to explore that all don't look like a desert with shacks
>>317701270
If you don't like it you can always go to the entire rest of the internet where everyone likes fo4. :^)
>>317701107
Nobodies arguing against that. I was just saying alot of your average gamers think fallout 3 is the superior game compared to new vegas. I enjoyed new vegas's landscape alot more to be honest because every building had something interesting in design about it. Sure fallout 3 had a huge amount of interior's but most of the time it was just a waste to go inside of them and you would spend 20 seconds sitting on a loading screen waiting for it to load just so you could kill 3 radroaches then get a few things of radaway and water.
>>317701117
> Complains about rubble walls in 3.
> NV legitimately had straight up invisible walls everywhere.
>>317701201
intelligent, nihilistic, and with a wicked sense of humor
>>317701201
Is this bait
>Incredibly intelligent, charismatic and perceptive NEET who's only held back by his poor luck
These are the stats of a narcissistic fedora tipper
>>317701347
>Intellectual shaming is now the accepted norm
Well, with all the christians and liberals around here these days, idiocracy was ineviable
>>317701201
if you had 10 intelligence you wouldn't be posting here
specifically this thread
>>317701392
name one faggot. NV was open as fuck. the only areas you're locked off from are certain parts surrounding The Strip
ALL of the metro area in 3 was separated by rubble and subway stations
>>317701416
>Incredibly intelligent, charismatic and perceptive NEET who's only held back by his poor luck
Welcome to /v/. We're the cream of the crop, but forced down by bad luck and dumb normies afraid of our potentials.
>>317692712
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMmZq0rTpA0
>>317701201
wow Anon you sound so interesting!!! tell me more about your life please!!!
>>317701457
> Uses idiocracy as a social commentary
> Not the biggest retard of all
>>317701457
>8 per
>misses typo
more like 3 per, lmao
Fallout 4 is pretty fun up until you start to do the quests
I was pleasantly surprised by the game at first but then playing through story and quests soured my entire experience. If I pretend that those don't exist I'd call it a good game but as it stands it's mediocre
>>317701553
I hope you're joking.
>>317698838
>Where is the tech?
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/HELIOS_One
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/REPCONN_headquarters
>or crashed planes?
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Crashed_vertibird
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Crashed_B-29
>>317701457
A person who is truly intellectual wouldn't claim to be so.
>>317701505
Name one invisible wall - what?
Just go out into the mojave, see any ridge or pile of rocks and start climbing. Enjoy being prohibited because they couldn't be bothered to finish their map.
