The age old debate
>>317628832
This isn't a debate. Steampunk has always been and will always be shit.
>>317628832
top looks cool as fuck
bottom is fucking retarded
I'll take the funnel gun
>>317629102
/thread
>>317628832
love for steampunk is directly proportional to your level of austism
>videogames
videogames?
>videogames!
http://strawpoll.me/6084967
Steampunk is fine so long as it's not retards in tophats with pointless gears and pipes. If it's a world that uses steam power instead of electricity as the main source of energy and has a brown tone, then it's fine. Open google and search Steampunk, and you get the obvious worst examples.
Cyberpunk is nice if it's sleek and futuristic, not just dark and slightly stylized. A black Desert Eagle is not Cyberpunk.
Both are good when done right, but both are done poorly most of the time.
Problem here OP is that nobody does steampunk correctly, ever.
>>317628832
>random gears that are just pasted on
>showing no functionality at all
steampunk itself isnt bad but modern steampunk fans fucking ruined it by doing shit like that.
>>317628832
Steampunk is objectively the worst 'punk.
>>317628832
Literally not vidya
/r/ing games that actually do steampunk justice instead of COGS AND WHISTLES EVERYWHERE
Only one that comes to mind is Bioshock Infinite, and well, the less said about that game the better.
Steampunk has the worst fandom but the most potential in my opinion.
Cyberpunk is usually done better, but still not that great.
>>317628832
Either setting can be great if done right.
I personally have a preference towards steampunk, even though I've still not seen it done right.
>>317629102
they're never debates. we just shit on steamfags and have a cyberpunk thread
>>317628832
both are some dank ass meme garbage
>>317629871
Arcanum I suppose
>>317628832
that steampunk gun looks fucking stupid
>>317629786
Your opinion is objectively shit.
>>317628832
I think the only Steampunk game I've played is dishonored.
I think cyberpunk is easier to do well. Steampunk could be just as good I suppose but I've not had the opportunity to experience really well done Steampunk.
>>317628832
was there ever a good steampunk game? I cant seem to recall at least one
>>317628832
>gun from bladerunner
>spray painted nerf gun with a funny on the end
Why do you keep making this thread, OP?
Steampunk was silly to begin with and almost never done well, and now that hipsters have latched onto it, it's even worse.
>>317630126
dishonored isn't steampunk it's whalepunk
:^)
Raygun Gothic/Retro-Futuristic or bust.
cyberpunk>dieselpunk>steampunk
Can we all agree?
Steampunk is reddit tier faggot shit.
>>317630175
Thief...?
It's like asking what's better. Blade Runner or Wild Wild West
>>317629619
yeah I'm not sure why no ever does "serious" steampunk it's always humorous or over the top wacky.
Cyberpunk can run the line between cheesy and serious and still turn out better.
>>317630126
Dishonored is defined by some as "whalepunk," which is a little off-the-mark from Steampunk
I know cyberpunk as a genre is defined by both aesthetics and themes (transhumanism, megacorps, huge class division, etc.) but what themes does steampunk consist of?
>>317630094
Jam a gear in the ass of that hammer and you've got yourself a bonafide steampunk epik cog(ck)volver
Generally I prefer Cyberpunk, but there are some pretty nice Steampunk games.
>>317629102
you sure about that?
http://strawpoll.me/4281208
>>317630094
I used to pretend I was Vash the Stampede when I had one of those bad boys.
>>317628832
I'm pretty peeved that the only steampunk video games are indie trash, i don't even hate indies but it's all just barebones shit.
>>317630367
>whalepunk
Is a joke since it's pretty clearly dieselpunk
I like dieselpunk.
>>317628832
steampunk is an aesthetic, cyberpunk is a genre
>>317630367
Usually pioneer optimism and personal ingenuity, but rarely anything really anti-authoritarian as the "punk" label would denote.
>>317630367
Most of the other -punks don't really have themes. It's all aesthetics
>>317630486
the fuck man that looks too cool
Dieselpunk > Steampunk desu senpai
Vidya examples - Wolfenstein The New Order, Silent Storm
>>317628832
Nobody actually does Steampunk, it's always just quirky gears and Victorian anachronisms.
It should have its own name. Like Shitpunk or redditpunk. Also there's no punk aspect at all so it should be called shit or reddit.
>>317628832
You can't just pit one of the sickest guns from a film ever against that retarded looking nerf repaint down there!
Steampunk is a visual aesthetic.
Cyberpunk is a setting.
Like a certain group of people says, you are comparing a finger with an ass.
>>317630094
nerfpunk needs to become a thing
FOAM EVERYWHERE
>>317630871
>Like a certain group of people says, you are comparing a finger with an ass.
what
>>317630871
>Steampunk is a visual aesthetic
No it's not, it's in the 1800s with so wacky Victorian technology. Wish we'd have hung our fucking nobles back in the day so we don't have to deal with Americans epik steampunk memes calling everything 'Victoria'. Fucks sake. Cromwell come home
>>317630978
he's retarded, just play along
>put lots of brass and pressure gauges on everything
whose idea was this? it's fucking awful
>>317630610
desertpunk > otherpunks
>>317630978
I believe the English version of this is "apples and oranges".
![steamfunkateer-2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5ZaArIo.jpg "steamfunkateer-2[1].jpg")
>>317630951
nerfpunk is a thing actually.
>>317630094
lol wow
>Mfw all those retarded -punks
Candlepunk
Sandalpunk
Stonepunk
Elfpunk
Mythpunk
Squidpunk
I'm not making any of this shit up
>>317631136
why are you acting surprised?
literally every steampunk cosplay weapon comes from a modded nerf gun.
people have been doing that for years.
My opinion >>>>>>>>>>>> Dog shit >>>>>>>>>>>>> Your opinion
Atompunk > Dieselpunk >>>>>> Cyberpunk >>>>>>>>>>>> Steampunk
>>317630175
Does Sunless Sea count? I liked it, haven't touched it in a few months though.
>>317628832
>steampunk or cyberpunk
Both are only done well when they aren't the focus. They should just be a setting, but fans keep thinking they are a means of storytelling itself. So the fans can never be pleased.
>>317631123
>>317631123
That just looks like a bunch of steampunk faggots who were too lazy to paint their shit brown
>>317630303
>>317631404
Clockpunk is the sickest shit
I've always loved clockwork shit in vidya/movies/lit/real life, so I want some good clockpunk games or games that involve clockwork.
Any vidya reccomendations besides Thief?
>>317630175
Guns of Icarus is fun with friends I guess
>>317628832
>That "steampunk" gun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFCuE5rHbPA
>>317628832
Cyberpunk was created as a commentary on the transition from an analogue world to a digital world during the late 20th century.
Steampunk was created cause white nerds thought goggles and tophats with gears on them looked neat.
>>317628832
Post apocalyptic diesel punk is best
>>317631302
Good taste.
>>317631653
Holly shit, it actually works.
>>317628832
Both are cancerous just like "lovecraft inspired"
the debate's answer is simple.
End yourself
>>317629102
reddit with its millions of more users would disagree with you on that
>>317631653
is this the new deus ex?
>>317630175
Thief
Progear
Play more video games.
>>317632379
not enough gold
>>317631870
this.
steampunk has no substance to it. it's just silly costumes.
>>317632409
>Thief
>Progear
>play more of these two video games
ftfy
>>317632191
>""Lovecraft inspired""
>It has a good ending
Everytime
>>317630175
Guns of icarus!
Post your favorite cyber and steam games v.
Mine personally is guns of icarus for steam and satellite reign for cyber.
>>317628832
Reminder that fags who like steampunk also like pineapples on their pizza, and are degenerates that should be exiled
Magitech setting.
Either that, or dieselpunk/atompunk
>The surprising amount of weird west games
I'm okay with this
Cyberpunk is the only -punk setting with actual validity due to the philosophy behind it. Cyberpunk isn't just a future world aesthetic, it's a purposefully dystopian setting evoking the actual fears for the future at the time it was conceived.
Steampunk is wholly invalid because it is a purely aesthetic setting with no rhyme or reason for why the world is steampunk - at least at the time, cyberpunk was a speculative look into the progression of time, if still a fantastical one by nature of being fiction.
However, there is a very narrow range of steampunk that has validity; namely, its progenitors found in Victorian science fiction writers like H.G. Wells and Jules Verne, who appropriately fantasize the possibilities of machinery of the era. These examples also possess a degree of philosophy and commentary. The Time Machine satirizes the development of the emergent classes of the Victorian era, the working and leisure classes, for example.
Modern steampunk is, with incredibly few exceptions, a purely aesthetic decision, coinciding with a very apparent lack of quality. One of these exceptions is Arcanum, which properly portrays a Victorian steampunk fantasy setting - one of grime and discrimination, absent of romantic idealism.
Other -punk settings have similar difficulties in establishing a philosophical narrative, meaning most of the focus is on aesthetic. One could argue that atompunk and dieselpunk have elements of the philosophies of the time period inherent in their design - space age idealism and industrial modernism. However, atompunk is primarily relegated in the present to either throwbacks to when such depictions were contemporary with the era depicted or as part of more broad satire of the era as a whole, and dieselpunk is almost entirely based in World War II fantasy media (Nazi superweapons and the like).
These reasons are why cyberpunk prevails as a setting, because the philosophical underpinnings are still very relevant in the present.
>>317629149
Bottom is a modified nerf gun. You can smell the op's bias.
I like the ones that do Mechs best. Cyberpunk Mechs are cool, and Steampunk walker things are cool too. I get the best of both worlds
>>317633134
That's Dieselpunk tho nerd
>>317630126
>>317630290
>>317630367
"Whalepunk" seems to be just a general term for a setting somewhere between steampunk and dieselpunk.
I would place it chronologically in the turn of the century, around the Edwardian era. A reminder that the British continued whaling until the Great War, and the United States ceased whaling in 1921.
>>317629581
You nailed it.
>>317633354
We aren't out of the uncanny valley yet but damn, we are making some good progress.
Gothic punk > all other punk
Objective fact: the only good steampunk game ever created is Arcanum.
>cyberpunk
blade runner
robocop
judge dredd
dredd
strange days
existenz
brazil
the matrix
ghost in the shell
akira
total recall
terminator
dark city
>steampunk
wild wild west
why is steampunk so fucking shit?
>>317632914
It always makes me happy to see long quality posts like this
>>317632914
Good post desu
Cyberpunk = 4chan
Steampunk = reddit
How is that even a question?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7yVFdR_Zm
Why does the LAPD blaster have two triggers anyways?
>>317633809
how the fuck is Brazil cyberpunk?
>>317633809
Don't fucking remind me. Wild Wild West put me off steampunk forever.
>>317633985
>how the fuck is a movie about an oppressive government with invasive technology cyberpunk?
?????????
>>317630458
>neither has more than steampunk
>>317633809
You forgot A scanner darkly in cyberpunk.
>>317633982
EMP shots
nah idk
Thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFCuE5rHbPA
what kind of punk is vtmb
>>317634206
Is that guy wearing fucking eyeliner? Why
![8540396551_8840361341_z[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/z2jNffr.jpg "8540396551_8840361341_z[1].jpg")
Reminder if you're into steampunk you support this level of autism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HayC2Lr0XO0
>>317634283
I guess gothpunk, though I kind of hate how every special snowflake style has to have punk at the end of it, when cyberpunk was the only one to actually have any fucking punk in it
>>317634283
Just regular punk with some gothic stylings, really.
>>317632730
What does the glory of pineapple pizza have to do with steampunk?
America has no right to talk about pizza in the first place when all you eat is chain pizza.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5Z5OjLdmi4
>>317633809
>No Gattaca
>No Equilibrium
?
>>317634283
Gothic-Punk.
No really. That's how White Wolf described oWoD.
>>317634283
Vaguely selfaware Gothic dark modern fantasy
>>317628832
Why are there two triggers?
>>317634445
>he doesn't like chains on his pizza
>>317634445
Nigger we invented modern pizza. Italy had to fucking catch up to us.
>>317634416
I actually like some of their older stuff.
The person who plays Rabbit deciding that now their character is a girl too (because she's transgender) and ruining the character's look sucks though.
>>317634628
you're disgusting
>>317634083
I legitimately thought you were talking about the actual country of Brazil
>>317633809
Something very, very important to note:
The vast majority of those movies came out in the 80s and 90s, where cyberpunk is aesthetically stuck. Those movies were not intentionally cyberpunk, they were just really 80s/90s sci-fi movies.
The closest example you have to a steampunk movie that wasn't intended to be a steampunk movie is something like A Trip to the Moon.
Most examples of cyberpunk as well as steampunk made today are kitschy garbage specifically trying to be the genre they are, instead of just being sci-fi that ends up being the genre due to the timeframe its made.
>>317628832
steampunk? moar liek memepunk
>>317628832
Doom 3 pistol was based on the top one
>>317634714
>has never seen Brazil
>is aggressive and stupid
No hope for you m8.
Here are some steampunk future predictions, from over 100 years ago.
http://publicdomainreview.org/collections/france-in-the-year-2000-1899-1910/
![brazil[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pybfDwR.jpg "brazil[1].jpg")
>>317634714
Oh. Well hey if you haven't seen it, it's pretty great. It's like if 1984 was some absurd comedy.it gets super dark tho
>>317628832
steampunk is what happens when emo teenagers discover the color brown
>>317634423
To be fair, "gothic punk" is actually 100% a good description of Vampire: the Masquerade, especially in regards to what people usually make player characters.
"Gothic punk" is pretty small, but I'd argue movies like the Lost Boys and the Crow are definitely gothic punk.
>>317634206
>I wanked so much I had to augment my arm.
>tfw you're the only one who liked Johnny Mnemonic
>Dieselpunk
Wow /v/ with some class? What?
>>317634919
>huehuehuehue
no thanks
>>317635093
That's fair. I guess I used my post to bitch about other -punk shit. Which wasn't great timing since that's one of the only other examples I can think of that actually does the "punk" part of its name
>>317635264
>Brazil the movie
>having anything to do with the subhuman country
Wow youre dumb.
>>317635225
>>317628832
Biopunk
What kind of -punk is Machinarium?
>>317634625
And now you're stuck with the mindset that the only appropriate pizzas are ham, cheese, pepperoni and chicken pizza.
Objective music aesthetic rankings
Gothic punk (80s goth rock and darkwave > Cyberpunk (80s synth and 90s industrial) > Atompunk (50s moog and pop music) > > > Dieselpunk (Electroswing) > > > > > > > Steampunk
Cavepunk>all
I like cyberpunk. Dieselpunk is neat, but really niche.
>tfw no Leviathan vidya
The books are wasted on being YA shit.
>>317634416
What is the name of the band in that pic? Something Giraffe right?
I had a friend who is WAAAY into them. He's followed them around to cons for a few years now.
>>317628832
Why does the Blade Runner gun have 2 triggers?
Dieselpunk is better than both
>>317635642
>Finland is a big dick
>>317635761
twice the bullets
>Artist: How you want your retro-futuristic weapons senpai?
>Bethesda: Just fuck my shit up
>Artist: Say no more
>>317632914
Quality Post^^
Besides Iron Giant, what are some good Atompunk movies?
Pic not related.
>>317635974
Does The Incredibles count?
If what is it? 60's punk?
>>317635761
twice the stopping power
>>317628832
cyberpunk weapons>steampunk weapons
steampunk towns>cyberpunk towns
![RTM421LARGE[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ImlKY6g.jpg "RTM421LARGE[1].jpg")
>>317635974
>atompunk
The Rocketeer?
flash gordon?
>>317635550
Or Sausage
Or Pineapple
Or Seafood
Or dessert toppings
Or Whatever the fuck we want man you can get all kinds of shit
At least we don't put mayonnaise and corn on it.
>>317629871
>>317635915
>Artist: How do you want your retro-futuristic weapons senpai?
>Obsidian: Wait, we're doing retro-futurism?
>>317635874
They look more like jews to me tbqh.
>>317635642
those books were awesome as fuck
the artwork was amazing
>>317636250
>>317635547
Machinarium wasn't any sort of punk in the least
>>317635974
Do you want atompunk or 50s-style retrofuture? Because there are lots of examples of the latter, but the former are pretty slim.
>>317636102
I'd argue the Incredibles is on the same level as the Venture Bros, evoking specifically the Saturday Morning Cartoon 60s and 70s.
>>317635590
>Atompunk
That's just Zeerust/50's retrofuturism
There's literally no punk to it.
The whole point of cyberpunk is you have REBELLIOUS YOUNG ASSHOLES in CYBERSPACE AND OTHER NEAR FUTURE TECHNOLOGY.
>>317636364
>seafood toppings
Fucking nips want to smell lke fish evrywhere
>>317630126
Steampunk works better as books. But even then, it's all so derivative it's embarrassing.
>Strong female lead that goes against the norms.
>Bonus points if she's either 'attractive in her own way, but not classically attractive' or if she's 'attractive, she just doesn't see it.'
>Bonus points if the exact line 'she drew her gun from its holster and fired it in one fluid motion motion' appears.
>>317636312
retro-futurism is more of a fallout 3 thing, which means it's also the shittiest part of the series
sorry f.a.m.
>>317636326
They are meant to be trolls.
>>317636341
The artwork was great. I just feel the plots were not good.
I used to be more interested in Steampunk but today I gotta say cyberpunk. Scifi is just too good
![institutelogo[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/dUh7ZE1.gif "institutelogo[1].gif")
>>317636191
OH. And the Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai. That shit's great
>>317630062
Well he is also objectively correct despite the shittyness you've observed.
>>317635974
captain america: the first avenger
>>317628832
Is the top one "that gun"?
>>317636312
>yfw was originally a mix of 80s post-apocalypse and 50s retrofuturism
There were Desert Eagles in the original game, dude.
Everyone goes le 50s for Fallout but it's equal parts that and Mad Max.
>>317636312
there were Modern weapons in the 1st three games, get yo facts straight
>>317636608
Yes
>pop culture references?! in my classic fallout?!
>>317628832
Punk is a redundant word used to describe these things. It only really fits the Cyberpunk style, not once have I played a 'Steampunk', 'Dieselpunk' or 'whalepunk' where you play as a 'punk'
Victorian Gentlemen with Brass Prosthetics aren't 'punks', nor was Corvo or Daud in Dishonored, vagabonds maybe, but not punks.
>>317636570
>They are meant to be trolls.
That makes sense, i guess.
Also why is Italy snakes and Greece a squid.
>>317636441
>There's literally no punk to it.
NOW, ARGUABLY
You could very easily integrate 50s greasers into retrofuturist settings in order to have REBELS WITHOUT CAUSES in SPACE AGE ROCKET CARS, if you wanted it to be actually atom"punk".
The only reason Fallout is atompunk is because it incorporates Mad Max.
>>317636827
Just the weird genetically engineered animals those countries are famous for in the books.
>>317631653
spat my coffee out
>>317635134
They replaced the boring old 'supercomputer' plot device with a dolphin.
Whats not to like?
DIESELPUNK
>>317636901
I see, the universe does seem quite interesting.
>>317630951
>FOAM
Say no more family
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLmD_69pXpk
>>317637053
I don't know man. Everyone shits on it but I love how campy and stupid it is.
>>317637096
Best punk. I wish Dust Tactics caught on as much as 40k.
Also, >TFW no yandere waifu manipulating two timelines so she ends up with you.
I enjoyed Bitter Seeds.
>>317629871
>COGS AND WHISTLES EVERYWHERE
Don't fucking get me started on that shit. Steampunk should be so easy to pull of, yet it always ends up being "just glue some gears and cogs on a gun and paint everything copper brown" - always the fucking lazy way out when doing steampunk. Always.
So few times does something in any medium break away from the usual teachings of not-sucking-ass i.e Steampunk.
>>317630094
they even riped off the plastma cuttter from dead space, no respect
>>317637190
Oh god, not this cringefest again.
>>317628832
Cyberpunk has a lot of potential and can split off into different areas, Steampunk is completely derivative and has been done to death. "WOW FUTURE LASERS BUT WITH GEARS" is just retarded.
>>317628832
Steampunk is complete shit. The only good steampunk games I can think of were the Bioshock games (not even sure if the first two count as steampunk). At least there's been several good cyberpunk games.
Plus, steampunk is stupid in general.
>>317637096
Dieselpunk/atompunk master race
>>317631260
where's gothpunk
>>317629871
Rise of legends has steampunk Italians as a faction
D I E S E L P U N K
>>317631302
>>317637269
The Deploy was always my favorite since the way it so uselessly transformed always reminded me of Dead Space.
>>317637491
That just looks cyberpunk in a desert though
>>317637349
>he's never played arcanum
DIESEL
PUNK
>>317632914
To be fair, cyberpunk settings without the validity exist as well. The problem we see in a lot of modern games is that they choose a setting without regards to WHAT that setting means, like what you've mentioned with Steampunk.
Other than that I 100% agree. I just wish we'd see more diverse game settings since the majority of them these days are fairly generic fantasy or generic sci-fi futuristic shit. They avoid bothering to create a world and instead just create something to facilitate the game. It makes it feel hollow.
>>317637163
Some of the world is divided into those who see genetically engineered animals, and other groups who see those animals as an affront against god and use tech instead. It's basically WW1 with that in mind. Setting is top notch.
>>317631662
cuphead
mickey mouse castle of illusions
>>317635592
celtpunk is the most patrician of punks.
What punk would Hotline Miami and Blood Dragon belong to?
>>317630303
Fuck yeah, Retro-Futurism, and Dieselpunk, are awesome.
>>317630357
Cyberpunk is hard to fuck up when you got so many mediums which have it nailed.
>>317629581
i like that 80's-90's style, cyberpunks fighting against the megacorps with their now outdated sounding future tech.
we got the megacorps, but no cyberpunks to fight them, the future is ruined.
steampunk is stupid shit, i see it at every con i go to and no one has given a GOOD answer as to why they like steampunk or why it's a good setting.
>>317637550
According to this Dishonoured would be classified as dieselpunk right?
>F3 "diesel"
>23 results
alright we get it, you fucking annoying fuel faggots
FUCK OFF STEAMPUNK FAGS DIESELPUNK BEST
>>317637096
>>317637491
>>317637695
Is Mad Max dieselpunk?
>>317632556
>bad endings
>2015
Audiences can't deal with that
>>317637248
Its really kinda shitty because you have almost the same sort of social unrest you have in cyberpunk, which can be easily exploited. Instead its 'DUDE MY COG PHLOGISTONIC ETHER GUN TOTALLY NEEDS ITS GEARS REWORKED LMAO'
>>317637695
>blatantly ripping off The Rocketeer
>>317636826
Are you serious, dieselpunk is punk as fuck
>>317637834
Yes, Mad Max is dieselpunk.
Which ones /v/
>>317637834
It's just post apocalyptic. It's not fucking dieselpunk
>>317630486
Are there any games that have actually done great Dieselpunk? Any good movies?
>tfw dieselpunk setting you like gets a vidya
>it's shit
>It's really fucking shit
>>317629102
steampunk can be done ok when it ain't up the tacky ass of the Victorian age.
>>317636489
im surprised they dont put rice and seaweed on them too
>>317637983
Crimson Skies
>>317637940
Any and all. I'm so fucking ready for cyberpunk fashion to be a thing
>>317631220
shit, SNES shadowrun is that high?
i used to have a boxed copy of it, but i never got around to playing it and sold it back in like 2007-08
>>317637734
neonpunk maybe
What is "flesh"punk called?
stuff like cronenberg's eXistenz?
basically technology crossing body/flesh
>>317633982
its COOLtm
>>317637983
Valkyria Chronicles
>>317638181
biopunk
>>317628832
Steampunk.
We already live cyberpunk and it sucks
>>317637986
>Weird West setting you like gets a vidya
>It gets cancelled
>>317635546
Why did it take so long for someone to say it
This
>>317638095
It doesn't really hold up anymore to be honest family
>>317637972
What's the difference?
>implying raygun gothic isnt the best
>tfw there's a lot more punk types than I thought
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberpunk_derivatives
>>317638350
because dieselpunk is retro-futurism based off of the 50's? And post apocalyptic is post apocalyptic?
>>317634714
kill yourself
>>317638407
>Stone punk
>Flintstones
>>317638428
or 40's. Whatevs. You get the point.
>>317636826
Most people see the 'punk' as something of an artifact. These days, the term is used to more describe the setting. For example, Trigun could easily be called Desertpunk, Waterworld could be Oceanpunk, and Skies of Arcadia could be Skypunk despite none of them having stron anti-authority tones.
>>317637940
B but with less boots.
>>317635642
Germany has that knight pointing at London like the cheeky cunt thought it could talk shit.
They'll turn that cannon around.
>>317637940
A looks bland.
B looks even worse.
C looks like Back to the Future 2, but not as cool
D is today, but more ugly.
E is missing its fedora on the second image.
F is the closest to acceptable, but still ugly.
"Fashion" is so damn stupid. Just give me a greasy white tank top and some blue jeans, and I'm good.
>>317638181
Organo-punk
