THIS. FUCKING. PSYCOPATH.
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>>317575268
who is this rogue looking motherfucker?
>>317575268
but he's not wrong
All of the factions are a bunch of psychopaths.
Bethesda can't write characters with interesting goals and motivations for shit.
>>317575343
Even the minute men?
HE DID NOTHING WRONG
SYNTHS ARE MACHINES NOT PEOPLE.
>>317575479
The Minutemen are the only faction that is normal....and that is why they are the backup faction.
Strange how you are forced into leading them...would be interesting to have a true independent ending in which you do everything solo.
Is there a way to destroy everybody? I pretty much turned against the Brotherhood with the Danse stuff. The Institute are incredibly retarded and don't give a shit about people in the Commonwealth, The Railroad are just shit from head to toe, and the Minutemen don't seem to be anything, what's their purpose?
>>317575479
The minute men are just dudes, literally nothing going for them, except a little shitty "Castle."
>>317575268
I fucking hate him. Read the terminal on the prydwyn concerning this guy. CULTS are forming in the western BOS because of this mary sue.
>>317575605
this
>>317575479
They all result in killing the others.
>>317575625
nope, everybody and their mother are unkillable in Bethesda games
I agree with him but I kind of wish I killed him for that jacket.
Does he drop it?
I thought /v/ were miss good ol evil brotherhood?
>>317575268
HOW HARD CAN IT POSSIBLY BE TO IDENTIFY SOMEONE AS A SYNTH?
>"OH BOY YOURE HAND FEELS STRANGELY METALIC TODAY"
>"YOU DONT HAVE A PULSE AND YOU FEEL COLD? WELL GEE HAPPENS"
>"YOU DONT SHIT, PEE OR GET SICK? I WANT THAT TOO!"
>>317575625
>what's their purpose
To give the player a way of actually ending the game that doesn't require any of the other factions. They are dull, but they are the best bet, both flavor wise, and completion wise.
>>317575726
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>>317575734
Third generation synths are bio-engineered, blade runner style, they are indistinguishable from real humans.
Way to spoiler you fucking faggot
>>317575726
Yes, yes he does.But hes a big guy
>>317575734
Except they even state in universe that you can't tell. The only reason they caughtThe diamond city mayorwas because he took a few rounds to the chest and shrugged it off.
>>317575848
Blade Runner replicants aren't robots though. They're like genetically engineered humans, still real flesh and organs.
>>317575790
how do i do this again?? im on ps4 btw...
>>317575734
4th Gen Synths are practically human down to having a skeletal system, nerves and muscles. That's why it's so hard to identify them as synths.
>>317575937
Then you can't, that anon posted a console command. PC only.
Ya gotta kill him
>>317575859
>caring about Shithesda's story
lmao dude who gives a shit
>it's East coast and not canon
>it's already shitting on the lore if it even WAS canon
>it's Bethesda, their writing is ASS
>being on /v/ during the first few weeks of a game release
>>317575897
>was because he took a few rounds to the chest and shrugged it off.
So everyone in the world is a synth?
>>317575734
Only robotic part on the 3rd gens is the brain stem.
>>317576015
There was also some other shit, and he kicked some random guys ass super hard. But yeah, you can't tell.
jesus christ my SS looks exactly like this douchebag
and my FemSS looks like Piper. Fuck me I hate this game so much.
>all this synth shilling
He literally did nothing wrong.
>>317576092
>SS
I thought we were the Vault Dweller
>>317576092
>Looks like generic white dude and white chick.
I can understand that
>>317576141
He was in the game
>>317576146
Vault Dweller was the PC from fallout 1.
He's looking suave as fuck 2bh
>>317576141
I chose the BoS ending and he's a fucking retard.
>Hurr durr fuck Danse
>Hurr kill Virgil even if he helped us and wants to cure his condition
>You're a Sentinel now, even if we don't know anything about you except that you're good at killing stuff
Fuck the BoS in Fallout 4. They're just bigoted retards, in earlier Fallout games at least they were just bigoted.
>>317575930
So are the 3rd generation Synths. You can see how they are made in the institute.
Fuck synthsPut Danse out of his contrived, artificial existenceLeft my fake son in the Institute to die
I want to kill and purge all synths 40K style, going so far as to incite an inquisition.
>>317575479
The Minutemen are the NCR.
If the NCR had an extreme shortage of men and weapons and bases.
>>317576353
>tfw made the Detective Special from Blade Runner out of That Gun in New Vegas
>the new weapons in FO4 made it almost impossible to port it over
>i don't know shit about importing animations for the gun
>can't tell how it's gonna work once the geck is out
fucking hell bethesda
>>317576263
It's like Bethesda listened to the people who were unhappy with the Brotherhood's portrayal in FO3, but swung too far in the opposite direction. They're supposed to be selfish, isolationist assholes; not shining knights of the Wasteland or genocidal bigots.
Just one more thing Obsidian did better than Bethesda.
>>317575268
>Brotherhood of Edgelords
>lol bro you're not human you're half-cum of your dad *kills you*
amazing. real hope for the future of mankind
What's so bad about the Railroad? I'm only ~5 missions in with them but so far they seem pretty cool. Just leading confused synths to better lives.
PlusGlory is hot as hell.
>>317576945
railroad being bad is a meme from /fog/ because it's infested with underage imbeciles
is there anyway to get the Hitler Youth outfits that the Brotherhood kids wear?
>people ironically believe the brotherhood is wrong
>muh synthetic people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCuUIkEtJjo
>>317576945
Literally one of the best factions and they don't fuck others shit for some retarded cause.
I must be retarded, because I just don't get the Institute at all. What the fuck are they even trying to accomplish?
Like their main point of disagreement with the other factions is that they use synths, but then they have super advanced robots and a whole bunch of Institute members mention how synths aren't really necessary anyway, they could just have used normal robots. What is even their endgame?
>>317577060
>Hitler Youth outfit
Holy fuck this better exist
>>317575324
M-maxson?
>>317576945
I like them too, none of the factions in FO4 make a lot of sense so you might as well pick the one with the most interesting people, which is Railroad (or possibly BoS).
>>317577119
ask Bethesda. no one sane would ever deal with institute of bos
>>317577119
>What is even their endgame
Happiness, I presume. What is the SS's endgame? What is the Brotherhood's engame? Railroad's?
Everybody's just trying to crack on.
>>317576945
How about they spend their efforts on actually helping people rather than robots who are not people?
kindest thing to do is to just destroy all synths. For their own good too.
>Spend a large chunk of the game fighting Synths
>Made obviously clear that the large majority of Synths are bad
>The institute wants to replace humans with synths
>They even make a synth version of your son
Synths deserve what they have coming. Valentine was the only Synth i trusted, and even he starts acting weird after he helps you access Kelloggs memories. I stopped letting him tag along after that
>>317575724
Sounds about right.
>>317575769
I suppose I'll go crawling back to them.
>>317576945
>>317577183
Do you have to do all those sidequests to progress? I only did a few missions and I think I'm stuck at something like "ask Drummer Boy something-something"
>>317577207
Yes, but Railroad and BoS have continuous goals - freeing all synths from slavery. BoS used to have a decent goal ("preserve technology, help the wastelanders") that became insane.
The Institute just kind of has no goal except.. staying alive underground and developing shit? Like why is this only possible underground? Why do they need synths for relatively simple food research? What?
>>317577290
It should be kind of obvious which the radiant (i.e. randomly generated) quests are, which include the DIA cache getting, the Weathervane quests, that kinda thing. They keep repeating (I'm pretty sure it's not endless, but it is a lot and it's optional). I think you need to do one of each to get a few new quests, and after that it mostly ties in with the main storyline.
>>317575614
Kinda... they also don't do a fucking thing. Really they're there for pussies to choose because even if you side with them "because they're normal" you still end up destroying the Institute. The game makes the choice for you, you just feel like it's the better one because Preston told you to.
Every faction in this game fucking sucked.
Does anyone else have people in their settlements they can't command? Mccready and Sturges won't do shit. The option for command doesn't even come up.
>>317577364
>Yes, but Railroad and BoS have continuous goals - freeing all synths from slavery
That is not the goal of BoS. They want to destroy all mutants, and safeguard all technology. Synths are mutants in their eyes.
>>317577449
thanks. I did all of Tinker Tom missions but only one or two of PAM I guess I'll need to check with her first
>>317577481
That was supposed to be about the Railroad obviously, don't stop reading after a single sentence
>>317577530
If you just get repeating shit, go a little further in the storyline (a big questline opens up once you can get into the Institute).
>>317577549
How about you don't write such retarded statements in the future instead?
>>317575268
He's right, you know.
>>317576945
Third gen synths not being people is a meme
These same people probably use Valentine as a companion
>>317577124
this one
>>317577620
It was just worded badly, don't get your panties in a twist senpai
>>317577591
ohhh I see... goddammit I stopped at the Glowing Sea quest and thought I'll complete all sidequests first
You just saved me a lot of googling time. thanks again
>>317576614
In New Vegas you murder like ten people for the Brotherhood because they're selling energy weapons.
I don't recall, how did Danse find out he was a synth?
>>317575343
Except the Institute.
>wanting to save humanity from degradation, disease, starvation, aging, mortality, and the effects of nuclear fallout
>converting humans into immortal synthetic lifeforms to exist in a pure state of transcendant electronic bliss
>superior brain and physiology, able to learn anything, able to be anyone, able to live forever, without deformity
>paraplegics now can walk, amputees now will have new limbs, burned alive people will have new bodies, even ghouls can become new humans again, intelligent robots can become human
If you didn't pick the Institute to side with you literally fuck up your entire life pham.
If I could transfer my shitty physical body into a superior synth body I'd do it in a motherfucking heartbeat. I don't give a shit if I'd have to be a slave for awhile.
Merely moments in the timespan of eternity. And I could scan my brainwaves and store my consciousness on a virtual drive, so I'd be literally invincible anyway.
There's only 3 good synths
1. Nick Valentine, a prototype synth that's completely distinguishable from humans, but has a mind of his own
2. Curie, a robot upgraded toa better robot
3. A DEAD SYNTH
>>317577776
off by 1
>>317576614
Expecting Beth not to make everything Black/White is kind of foolish.
>>317577694
It's a fact, not a meme.
>>317575605
synths are the only positive future of humanity
free from corruption, mutation, disease and aging
>>317577253
dude youre really just killing gen 1-2 metal skeleton synths and occasionally coursers
if you bothered doing the railroad undercover quests you would see that some random worker gen 3 synths would help you kill guards and then thank you
>>317577776
>If I could transfer my shitty physical body into a superior synth body
Except this isn't what's happening, the originals still die, you don't live on in a synth, the synth just has your memories.
>>317577776
>want to save humanity
>create non humans
there's a gap in your logic there synth sympathiser.
>>317577842
>of humanity
You mean of the synths?
>>317577776
You would be a slave for that eternity though. There would always be somebody pulling the strings, and you have no way to escape that. A lot of the downsides to being mortal would be vanquished, but so would the humanity that comes with it.
>>317577858
>the synth just has your memories
Then how is that different from being me?
>>317577826
so people with prosthetic limbs should be all killed too? and everyone who uses glasses? I mean they are augmenting their vision and replacing limb with robot parts.
>FOR BROTHERHOOD ALLAHU AKBAR
yeah nah kill yourself
>>317577776
>the institute
>saving humanity
they don't give a fuck about humanity, all they want is to make robots to carry the legacy of humanity.
>>317577937
Because you who are reading this thread right now die?
>>317577842
>what if we replaced humans with machines!?
>wouldn't that make humanity bettwer?! lol!
>>317577842
>free from corruption
I don't think so
>>317577776
The institute is the only positive future of humanity.
They have 100x the technology that the BoS has, and use it in positive, intellectual, non-violent ways. If you think about it, BoS in power armor and all their tech is merely delaying the inevitable transition into a synthetic form of existence.
>not enjoying pretty classical radio either btw
is this a "did nothing wrong" thread by any chance
>>317577937
you die
>>317577874
institute wanted a bigger workforce,they arent going to go to the surface and pull people they find to be a lost cause and zap them down to their home
>>317575268
when you kill Danse you loot synth parts from him
just saying
>>317577937
Because you're the one that ceases to exist.
>>317577993
there were no rogue coursers, Gen 3 was flawless.
>>317577937
Because you yourself are completely gone, and all you get is a robot who remembers what you remembered? This is pretty much what Nick's quest is about.
>>317577953
my vision is augmented?
>>317577968
I am the culmination of all my life and experiences.
A perfect copy of the memories of that life would be me. This body would die, but I would still live on.
>>317578021
your mom could be a synth! quickly go scab her
>>317577858
That's exactly what teleportation is in Star Trek or any other show.
The original is destroyed, and a new exact version is re-created with your memories.
Those niggas do that shit every goddamn day and they don't complain about dying, because your consciousness carries on anyway nigga.
The original literally does not matter.
>>317577858
Not him but I wouldn't mind. Some version of me would be happy living the charmed life.
>>317578042
if you're wearing lenses or glasses yes
>>317578124
Why would the copy who has taken the place of the last one complain about dying? He wouldn't even know what has happened.
>>317578124
considering that your conciousness dies every time you pass out or go to sleep, a perfect brain copy synth would be the same as waking up
anyone do the questchain starting in covenent?
>>317578083
Joke's on you, she's already dead
>>317578162
oh fuck yes, being augmented is the best
>>317577937
>>>317577968 >>317578010 >>317578024 >>317578039
Synth level 3 isn't "just memories" it's a fluid copy of your intact consciousness.
You're literally a ghost in a shell, you're just merely transferred into a superior shell.
Learn 2 into android technology nerds.
>>317577953
Are you pretending to be an idiot?
>>317578052
no, other you will live original you die. even if they are 100% identical, one of them dies, the real biological one
>>317578218
>Learn 2 into android technology nerds.
Oh yeah, could you link me an experiment where they proved that?
>>317578218
>Synth level 3 isn't "just memories" it's a fluid copy of your intact consciousness.
stop making shit up
>>317578226
no but you clearly are
>>317578162
>darken everything with sunglasses
>+1 perception
>>317578289
>dying and having a copy take your place is the same as using glasses
ayy
daddy danse is a beefcake of a piece of evidence that the bos are bs sobs desu
>>317578124
The difference being is that a human comes out on the other side
>>317578239
So? The copy is still me. It's my mind and memories in a superior body.
Yes, one me would experience death. But I would still live on
>>317575625
>>317575268
You know you can persuade him to let Danse go, right?
>>317578289
I thought it'd be best to come down to your level, but I guess I have to go lower.
you're a fuckin retard dude learn what synthetic augmentation is lmao
>>317577993
free from genetic corruption
synths dont get cancer or fucked up deformities
face it, human beings are literally meat robots with a meat CPU, we were never meant to be anything other than a temporary being
synthetic transition is the only way to be incorporeal, it's literally the pinacle of human intelligence, to be able to rebuild ourselves into immortal superior beings
its the pinaccle of human evolution
you cannot fight this
assimilate now
>>317578356
he thinks he's you but it's not you. read it up bro
>>317577776
>200 years after mankind has nearly exterminated itself with atom bombs
>a group of scientists get the brilliant idea to create SKYNET
>they are CLEARLY losing control of their machines, but won't acknowledge it
>another group gets the brilliant idea to actively encourage the machines to have free will
>only one faction knows the machines are bad news and will ultimately destroy mankind all over again
You're a retard if you think creating SKYNET or encouraging SKYNET to be free was a good choice
>>317578218
You'd still die though.
>>317578042
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qohaWhfGjJM
>>317578385
We got a "synthetic augmentation" expert in shithesda thread boys! Let him speak on the subject
>>317578408
Why? It's the same fucking consciousness.
Unless we're getting into metaphysical shit like souls, a perfect copy of my mind is still my mind. Having my memories and my thoughts, it only makes sense for the copy to think it's me. Because it's me.
Here's why I'm not okay with synths
Why would they make androids that are completely indistinguishable from humans without downright slaughtering them and then release them into a landscape already filled to the brim with treachery and paranoia?
What part of that sounds like a good idea to a sane person.
Do they reason that they're disposable because of the fact they're just manufactured?
>>317578495
>same fucking consciousness
wrong
just stop
not responding anymore. read it up
>>317576409
You mean you didn't take emotional baggage in a physical form?
I had no reason to care about Shaun at any point in this game. I think it was ok as far as a vehicle to move the story along, but Bethesda's classic mediocre story writing never lifts it above what it is, meh.
The entire game funnels you into joining the BoS, it is very likely going to be the first faction you run into because while doing the Graygarden quest for the minutemen you hit Danse's signal and auto-fucking-matically pick up the quest to start the chain of events that lead you to see a giant blimp with never ending VTOL death machines.
Why the fuck would you join a bunch of peasants or some terminal huggers in a basement after seeing that? Furthermore once you run into the institute their self guided tour quest doesnt give you any fucking reason to side with them besides LOOK AT ALL THIS SLICK SHIT WE HAVE [spoilers]plzdontlookatourFEV[/spoilers]!!!!
Besides it's bad story, dialogue, and use of an engine thats showing its age terribly there are some enjoyable things. For me it was a definite world improvement over F3's randomly generated flat landscape.
This game is ok/10, I'll buy it when its down to what I feel its worth, $20.
>>317577468
>side with institute
>have 10+ charisma, maybe i can reason with them
>literally 0 charisma options besides the one scientist in the commonwealth
>you cant even attempt to talk your stupid crazed son out of being the huge dumb asshole he is
>become the director of the institute
>think i can change them for the better
>the head scientists or whatever tell me about their plans to murder more fuckin people
>say no
>they tell me i cant say no
fuck this game. i wish i could kill shaun in his fuckin crib.
>>317577776
This 2bh.
Institute is the intellectual's choice. The only flaw with the Institute is it's leadership.
Once you become the leader of the Institute you can use it's technological powers to save mankind. It's literally the best possible outcome you'll ever encounter in the Fallout universe, or any universe period.
>>317578535
Yeah, there's very little reason for the Institute to actually infiltrate places where they could just supply the Commonwealth with able workers and have them identified easily as such, like Nick
>>317578218
You're the idiot if you think you can just download your brain into a computer and preserve your original consciousness.
It's not that it's impossible to become a cyborg but the way you're talking about it is absolutely retarded.
>>317578535
because synths can settle down in irradiated places, are much better prepared for the threats of wasteland and can be augmented.
>>317578535
quality Bethesda writing
>>317578539
Read what up? Enlighten me
>>317577774
I think scribe haylen tipped him off when the call went out across the brotherhood.Scribe haylen best waifu.
>>317578052
Continuity is disrupted. "You" do not carry on. A facsimile does.
The real deal is that Synths are our offspring. They would carry on mankind the same way real children do, only they won't die.
>>317578447
Skynet was a military OP. Synths no way have that kind of power, they're not killing machines.
Synths are more comparable to Bladerunner, as in, they are basically human and just want to be left the fuck alone.
>>317578567
>frogposter supporting institute
why am i not surprised ?
stumping humanitys evolutionary potential by turning everyone into robots is not only stupid its self destructive
in 1000 years from fallout the world will start growing again, and if you just replaced everything with synths we would never involved
please go kill yourself frog
>>317578392
It remains to be seen whether or not artificial tech can match the performance of meat.
Truly, the day may never come when we can fit as much functionality in such a small & self-maintained package as our natural, fleshy bodies.
If it ever does, you'll have my support, borg.
>>317578459
You will die anyway, no matter what, why not transfer your soul into an immortal synth body and transcend the mortal plane?
>>317578597
You're too simple to understand. You'll be the first to be left behind.
>>317578683
Continuity is disrupted every time I got to fucking sleep, or get black out drunk.
Doesn't stop the me that comes out the other side being me
>>317578485
In the context of this game, it's clearly not comparable to glasses or contacts. Not to mention contacts, glasses and prosthetics aren't enhancing anything, they're no better than somebody that doesn't require them.
>>317578539
He's right though. You have to be religious to think otherwise.
>>317578495
>Why? It's the same fucking consciousness.
No, it's not.
Step 1: Keep thinking about it.
Step 2: Did you figure out how they aren't the same consciousness?
Step 3: If you did not, return to Step 1. If you figured it out move to Step 4.
Step 4: Congratulations you're less retarded.
>>317575268
>20 years old
>>317577918
>You would be a slave for that eternity though.
Why? The old institute uses synths for slavery.
If you're the new leader of the institute by the end, you can do whatever you want.
>>317578560
>mfw I've put off talking to Danse for 30 hours
I've got a castle to set up familia
>>317578624
google "consciousness transfer"
irl and in game not doable w/o host dying (real you)
>>317578846
>bringing religion into argument
lol I'm out. *tips fedora*
grow up, child
seriously
>>317578164
>He wouldn't even know what has happened.
exactly
you could say we die everyday when our bodies completely regenerate and replace our cells every 7 years but our consciousness carries on
if you're old enough already, you've already "died", but did it affect anything in your life now?
>>317575268
But he's right on everything.
Even Danse admit it and is ready to die.
>muh feelings muh emotions
>>317575726
I killed him but its was while I sided with the Institute. I couldn't reach him during the fight so I missed out.
>>317578846
>You has to be a religion to think that
You're as retarded as he is if you think this.
We're not talking about a magical soul, we're talking about the consciousness in a specific brain. It's not a phenomena that you just fucking copy and paste into different bodies, it's not magic, it's not religious. You can't give two bodies the same memories and create a consciousness hive mind. You have two different bodies with the same memories but two different consciousnesses.
>>317578993
brain doesn't replace itself in an instant you moron. that's why you are still you - an idiot
>>317578687
This desu senpai.
Military vs generalized development makes a big difference.
>>317578693
>muh 'evolutionary potential'
Nigger what?
Implying natural selection is better than artificial selection.
And implying any major fucking evolutionary leaps didn't already happen with the big die-off 200 years ago.
Now, what can you think of that appeared in the last 200 years & came from humans?Ghouls,and supermutants
They are the next 'natural' evolution of mankind, unless the tribals are more separate than they appear. Andthey're both sterile.
Learn to think about the shit you say.
>>317579056
this desu
>on the railroad mission to get inside the Prydwen and destroy it
>having fun killing everyone
>except the invincible children
>smug little fucks keep saying "wish I had a gun right now"
>they're red dots so my companion empties a whole minigun into them
Fucking why
This is utterly stupid
>>317579056
But what's the difference between the two consciousnesses? If they are 100% copies of each other why does it matter if it's "you" or not?
>>317578854
I am thinking about it. And my answer remains the same.
A copy of me is still me. To believe otherwise is to believe there's more to the human consciousness than a complex collection of electric signals inside a biological computer. Which I do not.
>>317578836
No. Consciousness is preserved when you go to sleep. You are operating on an incredibly binary and incorrect understanding of consciousness. Stop that.
The process being discussed is death. Not sleep. You die and a thing wakes up with your memories. You are not that thing. You died. In fact that thing can and does exist alongside you. Go watch Art murder Art out in Boston. Your consciousness is not required for the copy to operate. You do not continue when it kills you. You die. Just like it does not continue when you kill it. It dies. The two Arts are separate entities with shared memories. They are not a contiguous consciousness.
Death is not the same as sleep. Death is a true loss of consciousness. When the brain is sufficiently shut down to the point that consciousness can not be retrieved, it has died. Sleep is not this process at all.
100% synthetic augmentation is the only future humanity has left
either join our new plain of reality or be left behind in the ashes of nuclear fire, the choice is yours
>not choosing the best possible outcome (synths) a miracle of science that was created just in time to save the future of humanity
it is the final evolution
do not be afraid
>Humanity is doomed
>The only hope is to develop artificial lifeforms with the characteristics of humans to carry on humanity after the real humans have all died out
>>317578693
in 1000 years we may have devolved into a less advanced, less intelligent, DNA corrupted species
why would you ever take that fucking risk? preserve humanity as we know it now and if we need to evolve we can decide our own future intellectually
simply the only good outcome
>>317579158
You're operating under the assumption that I for some reason care which consciousness came first.
Art versus Art is a perfect example. No matter which Art wins, they both react the same way. They mourn the fact that they had to kill their copy, and well they should. But both of them are still Art
>>317578565
you know what, i wanna expand on that. FUCK shaun entirely. at no point should anyone feel anything about finding shaun. shaun sucks. babies suck. who cares.
but what if the game starts and its you being taken to the institute? you wake up after they've done whatever experiments and tests they wanted and you demand to leave to find your wife. they tell you about how the world has changed and it isnt safe, but they'll let you go under the condition you'll help them if they need it (railroad/bos/etc later in the game).
you don't get a huge tour of the institute, but a contained area for the sake of not giving it all away at the start. there should be a hint of something sinister, though, so that everyone's worries about the institute make sense.
ah fuck it this probably doesn't make sense. i'm going to bed.
>>317579135
>he doesnt have the killable children mod
you only have yourself to blame.
>>317578903
I was under the impression he was talking about it outside of the Institute path, and just as a general thing. It's currently not known how the Institute treats things when you take over, and I don't care enough about that to argue over assumptions.
>Not just living to be 90 or so and then transferring your consciousness into a synthetic body
literally the best possible outcome, nerds
just because you join the institute doesnt mean you have to transition right away
Institute is still the best possible choice
>>317578535
That's not the synths fault, that's the fault of the shitty people in charge.
>>317579153
Yeah sure, if it's a 100% perfect copy.
But there are no '100% perfect's in the universe. Perhaps the lack of one is the only one to exist. Even if the copy is 99.99999% identical, it is still a different consciousness, nevermind -actually having two separate physical bodies means you have two separate individual consciousnesses-. Unless you're constantly streaming & updating your consciousness, and not allowing it to think on its own, it's a separate entity. And even if you are, that's only temporary, and you may be creating an ethical quandary by overriding what that consciousness would otherwise do with your constant streaming & overwriting.
>>317578495
Even if you viewed identical memories as the only thing necessary to be the same thing, the instant it's copied it begins creating new thoughts from its new experiences that weren't and aren't yours because its a separate entity with a separate existence. The very moment it gains consciousness, it is immediately different from you.
It could help to look at it as copy/paste and cut/paste. If someone created a copy of you, and pasted it, there would exist two of you simultaneously. No one at all would argue that they're the same person, regardless of having identical memories because they obviously exist separately and you can see that they're currently creating new memories and experiencing new things independent of each other. However, people get confused when it comes to cut/paste because the old entity is destroyed. Functionally nothing is different though, one is a copy that is a new entity and the old entity is simply dead. The new entity doesn't have to be aware of what happened, and it doesn't matter that it happened because they *believe* they're the same person, but in actuality they aren't. It does matter to the old entity though, because they no longer exist.
>>317579345
For the outside perspective which came first is less meaningful. Even in another context there is room for entertaining the validity of both entities' continued existence. (I am pro synth) But for this discussion regarding the nature of consciousness and man continuing by the means described, it very much matters which came first because You are only one of them.
You are not the copy. You never will be. A new person is born with your memories. There is no more You when You are murdered, even if by your doppelganger. Both Arts are valid, and that supports what I am saying more than it helps you. That first Art does not deserve to be murdered by a guy who is just like him. Neither deserves to be snuffed out. And that is exactly what happens. One is snuffed. Ended. No more consciousness. Both were valid and neither benefit from the other being ended prematurely because they are not continued by the other.
So what I wanna know is in terms of carrying capacity, which is better for armour?
Ultra-Lightweight or whatever the best pockets one is called?
>>317579137
>But what's the difference between the two consciousnesses?
The difference is one is you and one is someone else.
>If they are 100% copies of each other why does it matter if it's "you" or not?
It should matter to YOU, no one else cares if either dies. But one of these will affect you, and the other won't in the sense of your continued survival. If your goal is to grant immortality to your consciousness the copy does nothing for you. If your goal is have a copy of you go on living so that it can affect the world around you in your name then go ahead. But copy pasting your memories does not prolong the life of your consciousness, it is a new and separate entity that shares your memories. It will believe it is you, but the consciousness in that body will not be the one you are experiencing at this moment. The YOU reading this will have died still.
>>317579371
>Find the settlement run by ghouls.
>Chat up and flirt with Holly because I'm sick that way.
>Ultimately the only options is to refuse her or say maybe another time because I'm still in mourning for dead wife and missing son.
Well fuck.
>>317579571
Just walk in power armor the entire game, I did and I finished the game with 45 cores. GG Bethesda.
>>317579531
Obviously the two consciousnesses wouldn't exist at the same time. I would happily die to let a synthetic me carry on my existence.
Sure, he wouldn't exactly be me one hundred percent, but that's half the point. He wouldn't make the same decisions I would make in the same situations simply because he'd have the inherent advantage of not being a fleshy body prone to weakness, disease and injury.
But as far as I'm concerned, he'd still be me.
>ITT complete retards too stupid to see the potential in synthetics, and too pussy to wield that power for greater good
if you picked anything other than the institute you are a goddamn fucking retard
>all these people who don't just want to be a robobrain or be Kellogg MK2
I don't get it, why would you trust a synth with your memories and life?
>>317579605
I guess I just don't care about the "me" because once I'm dead that's it, my memories are gone. I only care that there is someone out there experiencing life as me.
I don't understand why the BoS wants to kill synths.
Why not just use them as tools like the Institute?
Why waste valuable technology?
>>317579153
>>317579531
So just die then you scared faggots
>m-muh perfect copy!
Because you were so perfect to begin with
>>317579691
>Obviously the two consciousnesses wouldn't exist at the same time. I would happily die to let a synthetic me carry on my existence.
Why stop at synthetics? Surely there are already betters out there who don't need you taking up their oxygen.
>>317579571
Deep pockets is far better for carrying capacity. +10 carrying weight is more valuable than taking something that weighs like 10 pounds and cutting off 5. On chest, it's +20, and even decked out combat armor is only like 15 pounds saving you 7.5 vs 20.
I think the point of light-weight is for sneaking. Heavier armor is supposed to make you more and more noticeable. Armor weight might be a factor is vats cost for sprinting as well, I don't remember.
>>317579605
I agree with you that Art did not deserve to die. But only because he did not choose to have himself be copied. It was forced on him, and that I do not approve of.
My own philosophy on what does and does not constitute myself is my own. I wouldn't force it on someone else. Just because I would let my biological self be replaced doesn't mean I think everyone should or have to.
That's why I don't support the Institute
>>317579756
Gen 3 indistinguishable from human beings, except, ya know, without all the genetic deformities, death, aging, etc
why do you keep asking the same fucking shit
>>317579779
Because they can't be controlled.
>>317579571
I bet it's pocketed. Ultra light armour adds to your AP and I bet they don't throw in that benefit for nothing.
>>317578334
that's not what the railroad does you retard
>only played fallout 1 and 2
>decide to give 3 a shot because of all this 4 hype
>androids exist
>what the fuck is this bladerunner shit doing in my Fallout, only the .233 gun is allowed from there
>game expects me to care about androids
>hell it even gives you BAD KARMA if you kill a MACHINE
>ok lol this was dumb, let's check out 4
>SYNTHS ARE THE MAIN PLOT POINT
Holy shit Bethesda are such hacks, even Bioware handled the issue better with Geth.
>>317579868
>That's why I don't support the Institute
But you're not supporting the "old" institute, you are in charge now and can reform it however you want.
Why are you retards not grasping this concept?
>>317579841
No human out there is me. What a stupid assertion. I can't be replaced by someone that isn't me.
>>317579930
>why do you keep asking the same shit
>answer has literally nothing to do with my question
Okay anon, like I said. Why would you trust a synth with your MEMORIES and life, knowing damn well they can diverge and AREN'T you.
>>317576945
Nothing is too bad about any of the factions.
The problem is thatBethesda railroads you into utterly wiping out the other factions in a murder spree, no matter which side you pick.
>>317579632
I don't wanna, I love Raider armour too much and I'm now finding Heavy Raider pieces.
>>317579571
Pretty much what >>317579862 >>317579946 said. To collate it,
Deep pockets is best for carry weight.
Ultra-lightweight is a combination slight carryweight, better sneak, better AP consumption rate
But the effects are greatest for heavier armor.
Light armor with pockets vs heavy armor with lightweight is the real question.
>>317580010
Where does it say you can do that? You do realise this is a Bethesda game, right? They give you little choice all through the thing, and you're assuming you change the way an entire faction works?
>>317579862
>>317579946
Sounds good, gonna need all that room for stuff.
>>317580007
Synth hype has been in the works since the first game nigga. Only thing missing now is teleportation.
>>317577119
My understanding is that the endgame of the Institute is to sit in their underground base continuing to prosper, expand and learn waited on by an army of Synths.
They see the above ground as a resource to be used and have completely written off the Commonwealth as not worth saving.
Presumably at some point down the line they intend to recolonise the surface on their own terms.
>>317575605
Yeah and the large amount of them gaining sentience and wanting freedom is just a "malfunction," huh? Fucking idiot. Anyone saying Synths are just machines are in total denial.
>>317580153
Where were they mentioned before 3?
>>317579779
Because unlike normal robots, those synth have free will and deviate.
See the synth raider boss in libertalia.
>>317580021
"a synth"
"diverge"
"not you"
Gen 3 *is you* in a synthetic body.
You don't trust yourself? What is even the question here?
Or you don't accept that you in a synth is *really you* because you're some religious retard?
>>317580147
Where doesn't it say you can do that?
You become the leader of whichever faction you side with.
Hypothetically speaking of course, Obviously you're not gonna change canon.
>>317580240
So you just die and a synth with your memories is created? That's a pretty shitty ending for you.
Unless you're one of those m-m-muh legacy people.
>>317580240
Are you legitimately retarded?
Nick isn't Kellogg despite having his fucking memories, nor is Nick the fucking guy he got his original memories from.
If you wanted to be immortal you can be a fucking Cyborg like Kellogg or the many Robobrains.
>>317580153
>teleportation
Old World Blues technically.
>>317580224
you didn't just think all those experiments were to create a cool robot dog did you?
>>317577364
Its possible only underground because when they tried it above ground noone trusted them, as most people are retards and the institute is the only one with working and even developing tech.
So eventually the tensions between them and other factions lead them to bury themselves underground, its also one of the reasons they kidnap and replace people with synths, as this allows them to function above ground without people knowing that. And while not being present in person.
>>317580383
That's a cyborg, completely different from a synth. Cyborgs have a place in Fallout, imaginary terminator robots do not.
>>317580336
>Shawn could have made himself an immortal cyborg like Kellogg
>Instead he leaves his entire legacy for you to ruin
Fighting a Cyborg Shawn in custom power armor would have been pretty cool.
>>317580313
Your body dies. Your brain or just your consciousness live on.
You are not your body.
>>317577776
No anon, you would not be invincible, your copy would be. You would die and rot away, while a perfect copy of you would watch you.
Your conciousness wont magically leave your body and enter a PC. You are bound to your flesh.
Say what you will about bethesda's writing butthese faction discussion threads are more interesting than MUH CAESAR and MUH DEMOCRACY nv shitfests
>>317580336
Are you legitimately retarded? Why are you so scared and unwillingly to let go of your flesh shell meatbag?
Scared of the "continuity jump" into a superior synthetic body?
>>317580458
Play Soma.
You can't transfer consciousness, only make a copy of it to another body.
>>317580458
Yes you are
>Danse somehow didn't discover that he didnt need to eat or sleep
Come on, man
>>317580312
Because you become the leader of other factions and continue to do what you're told, and going by typical Bethesda fuckery, you have less reason to assume it'll be any different with the Institute. Siding with the Institute over speculation is just a bit weird to me.
>>317580451
Yeah, he's cool with blatant slavery but not with extending human lives. Great son, son of the year all years, GOAT son.
God he's such a piece of shit. I resent Shaun. Especially since he brushes off the murder of his other parent just like oh lol oh well it happens.
>>317577364
>BoS
>Help wastelanders
Fallout 3 kiddies just never learn, its PROTECT humanity from rampant technology, the average wastelander cant be trusted with a laser rifle, the Knight in shining armor bullshit 3 added was so out of character and im glad Lyons is dead and Maxon made the brotherhood return to their roots, Airship and all
>>317580539
If you're too lazy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5CFE-Zdlfs
>>317580458
If they transport your entire brain, sure, but then you're just a hardcore cyborg, much like Grievus from star wars. If they just upload your memories to a robot, and you die, you're still dead. There's just another you walking around, kind of like The Prestige.
Immortality isn't about achieving eternal life anon, it's about avoiding the horror of death, and this certainly does not avoid anything as far as you're concerned. You'll die.
>>317580527
I know right? Then again I'm a House man.
>>317580553
He ate and slept the brotherhood.
>>317575343
think of the political parties now
think of some
are any of them likeable?
>>317580431
>Most people are retards because they are pissed off with the Institute for only ever building killer robot assassins and not even attempting to improve the lives of people aboveground, wasting an insane amount of resources on a fucking pointless science project that serves no purpose other than to create a moral dilemma
>>317580539
Video games are not evidence to anything in the real world. Are you for real, man?
>>317580553
I thought Gen 3s are programmed to do those things? The Mayor eats and sleeps. Other Synths eat and sleep.
>>317580534
So you are retarded, because you seem to think that letting a synth carry on your legacy is better than becoming a cyborg and doing it yourself and even better.
>>317580446
>imaginary terminator robots do not
You sure bud? Robots have been an integral part of the games since the beginning
Synths are just human shaped robots
>Murder everyone on board the Prydwen because I'll be siding with the institute later
>Talk to Father while wearing Maxson's jacket and the captain's hat
>The last obstacle in our way is the brotherhood of steel I need you to destroy three generators, get to liberty prime and then defend it long enough for it to be reprogrammed to shoot down the prydwen
How about I just pilot into the ground since it's fucking empty Bethesda you shit heads.
Reminder that the kind of people who think fallout nv is better than 3 and fallout 4 is better than new vegas are the kind of people who like shadman's porn, interpret that how you will
I can't side with the BoS because they would kill my sweet Curie if they learned the truth
I took their powerarmor and legged it
>>317575268
The voice actors performance with this guy was pretty good.
>>317580691
>Video games are not evidence to anything in the real world. Are you for real, man?
>soma devs are the first people to make researches/thesis on the subject
It's just a /v/-related illustration.
>>317580657
They started making those assassins when people above ground started kidnapping their own synths.
Meanwhile the institute is reaserching the fev and radiation effects and how to reverse it, engineering plants so they can repopulate the place with food and more. But hey, you can conviniently ignore those parts to suite your argument.
>>317580764
>fallout 4 is literally almost as good as all previous fallout games combined
TODD ANTISHILLS BTFO
>>317580539
Any more proofs than "another video game"?
I've seen the Fly, and every other sci-fi on teleportation/transferrence into android bodies to not be afraid of "the jump"
>You can't transfer consciousness
>only make a copy of it to another body
What the hells the difference retard? A copy is a transfer, or has to be transferred at some point
You literally are retarded
White X-01 signifies progress and superiority.
>>317578002
That movie was legit. The dancing had me laughing so hard.
>>317578447
>a group of scientists get the brilliant idea to create SKYNET
Skynet is in the other side of the country, dumbass.
>>317580848
>sci fi movies are proof
And you call others retarded.
>>317580616
>it's about avoiding the horror of death
Bro, you were born in a fucked up, weak genetic temporary meat shell, that will wither away and die inevitably, your DNA will unspiral, your body will age, you will die
Whether you're afraid of it or not, transferring your consciousness (making a copy whatever) is the best hope of living on after death you've got
Should be grateful that that kind of technology exists, and stop being a pussy
>>317580848
>What the hells the difference retard?
The difference is that you're still in your original body and the synth you'll meet will be "you" only for a short amount of time.
I don't think you'd behave the same if you were suddenly a synth.
>>317578802
Next synth I kill, I'm gonna think of you.
>These retards in here who think having a synth doppleganger means you somehow live forever
You guys are the idiots who shoot themselves in the brain scan chair thinking that would mean living again.
how do you get the armor layers with shoulder guards?
>>317580848
Transfer: Take A and put it from place X to place Y
You now only have one A in Y
Copy: Take A and copy it from X to Y
You now have two A one in X and one in Y
If you are too retarded to know what the difference is please remove yourself from the gene pool.
>>317580832
They kidnapped people and dipped them into FEV vats. Then they killed most of them or released them into the Commonwealth, allowing them to do whatever the fuck they wanted.
Also reminder that Bioscience plans to kill and replace a farmer with a Synth, to test crops. After the test, they plan to kill the farmer's family and demolish the farm and all evidence of it.
These people are stupid evil.
>>317580605
>The horror of changing your body! Aaaahhhhhh!
I don't get this irrational fear
Can someone explain it to me?
>OMG U DIE AHHHHHHHHH
Any better explanations besides irrational fear?
Your guys realize >YOU< will still die, and there will be a >COPY< of you fucking you are robo-waifu forever, right?
>YOU< don't get to experience shit except hardcore netorade, specially if >COPY< is the one to kill >YOU<
>>317580983
>stop being a pussy
I'm sorry you can't deal with death anon. Maybe when you're older you'll understand.
But, you know, feel free to copy yourself and then die. And you will die. Your thoughts will still influence the world and its people, but you will be dead. You will cease to exist while a copy of you walks around and pretends it's you.
I mean, sure it's better than NOTHING, but then again most people just aren't that desperate that they'd resort to shit like this.
>>317580797
Bethesda actually did really competently with the voice acting this time around, no more money sink exclusive 5 minute celebrity cameo.
>>317580764
4 is going to improve so much with mods and dlc though. Give it time.
>>317581150
They're the same people who think it's better than becoming a cyborg.
>>317580832
The motivation for doing so doesn't fucking matter, they're making killer robot assassins and having them replace humans T1000 style. That's fucking cartoon villain level shit.
The institute stopped researching FEV because they're devoted to replacing humanity with synths. Virgil's research is left in a locked off and guarded part of the facility. Their technological progress is all self serving and they talk big about being the future of humanity but they don't share shit with anyone, they're literally worse than the BOS who at least don't front about their intentions
>>317581149
What's irrational about it? You die. Another you is alive. You didn't change bodies, you copied yourself.
>>317581149
Go at 4:03 in the video.
>>317581001
There could technically be a way to transfer your consciousness into a synthetic body. But that would require something like a tissue transplant of your whole brain into its body, and then trough some process gradually turning your brain from organic to synthetic.
This is one way where you would stay you and not just a copy. You would be a sort of improved upon you.
>>317581106
Nah they are smart evil. Not wise, but smart. And from what i understood, they used to give a shit about people above ground, then when they had to retread underground they stopped giving a shit and turned into ultradicks.I shot father in the head the moment he stepped trough the door, and then i legged it.
>>317580720
How is a robo brain in any way similar to a synth?
It's more like a servitor from WH40k.
>>317581021
This desu to every fucking retard in this thread.
Uploading your mind into a synth, or teleporting in the sense that you're broken down and reassembled somewhere else doesn't mean that YOU are going to live on. You as in the consciousness you currently are right now is only going to exist as the YOU RIGHT NOW.
If you're uploading your brain, the synth will be you up until that point, but you will still be yourself. You are not the one going into the synth, a copy of you is, a clone. You die once you die, but the uploaded brain will still continue living, but you as the conscious person you are right now will not.
>>317580516
>You would die and rot away
So exactly what would and will happen anyway? Big deal
>Your conciousness wont magically leave your body and enter a PC
Are you a scientist? If your body is a machine made of meat, and your brain is a CPU made of meat, and *you* are your memories. Transferring your memories and contents of your brain into a new body, a new cpu, will be transferring your consciousness.
When you power on your new body, you will be conscious.
How is this a hard concept to grasp?
Are you deathly afraid of going to sleep every night when your conscious is *shut off*? It's exactly the same thing
>>317581316
Stupid evil doesn't mean stupid, it means they choose to use these ridiculous methods instead of being rational and humane. It's just pointless evilness.
>>317575937
I know this is b8 and if it isn't you're just retarded. Either way you're retarded.
>>317581394
What's it like being not only wrong, but so stupid you can't understand how wrong you are?
>>317576141
It's the dudebro faction
>>317580605
lmao this game is fucking stupid.
>oh my god, u didnt just transplant my brain! u copied it!
what the fuck you think a digital transplant would consist of nigga? at least he retains fluid consciousness
>>317581240
>You didn't change bodies, you copied yourself.
Those 2 things are exactly the same. Unless you think you have a magic soul or something.
This thread is making me wish that the old theory of the player character being a synth had panned out.
The chat with your brain in Old World Blues was pretty fun.
>>317581106
They already replaced him, you can talk to the family and the daughter mentions how her father became a lot more hard working lately and how she's glad he isn't a drunk anymore.
>>317581394
Its always hilarious to see someone so dumb that he is not able to grasp such a simple concept. But then i always remember that people like this are allowed to vote and make important decisions in life.
>>317581609
Nope read >>317581021
>>317581609
>Twins are the same person
>>317581154
>You will cease to exist while a copy of you walks around and pretends it's you.
So this irrational fear is some kind of thing imitating you or something?
It must be horrifying for you to have kids, and have DIFFERENT COPIES OF YOU WALKING AROUND THAT ARENT YOU, AND YOU DIE, BUT THEYRE STILL ALIVE, AAAHHHHHHH.
Good thing you'll never have any.
>>317581609
I think you're too stupid for this discussion, Anon.
>>317581609
What makes you think your copy is going to behave and react to stimuli the way you would?
>>317581705
Its funny, because if you would get copied into a machine no matter how advance, as soon as you both would become concious again, you would cease to be the same person as your different experiences would shape you differently.
Is this fuck actually this stupid or is this entire thread just getting baited.
>>317581001
You're the idiot.
Literally no difference between "transferring your soul" and copying your brain, except knowing that your original body "died", but it makes no difference because *you* are still alive.
Like I said, you're not your body. You are your consciousness, which is literally just a self awareness of the contents of your brain. You exist no matter what, in a old body, or a new body, unless both of those fail.
Goodnight retards.
>>317581730
He's right though, if you're cloned and then run both of you through the same situations, there's no reason for there to be different result.
>/v/ arguing about living on as a synth vs have a duplicate
>not realising the moment you use the teleporter you die
There is no way to get through the game without dying, synth existence or not.
>>317581705
Most people understand they're going to die after they make children. You're somehow deluding yourself that copying your consciousness into a machine is the equivalent of eternal life, which is not.
But then again you're just having a giggle and I'm taking a shitty discussion with underage kids too seriously.
>>317581616
>The chat with your brain in Old World Blues was pretty fun.
Especially with low intelligence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0Ocxk1UfxQ
>>317580650
ya liberal democrats are pretty good
>>317581843
The entire reason the people in F4 know they are being infiltrated by synths is because copies DON'T behave like the originals.
>>317581834
>being this retarded
Good night anon.
>>317577468
This is pretty much why I've stopped playing for now, I've never felt so railroaded into an ending,and it's one I really don't agree with. It makes no sense to nuke the fucking institute, to me, even though I hate the cunts.
>>317581834
STOP THIS
You're saying shit like transferring your soul is a joke, when that's exactly what you're trying to say.
If you clone yourself or COPY your brain into a robot brain, that means there's now two of you who are two different consciousnesses, your conscious that you are right now will not exist in two places at once, there will be two. So if you die after uploading your brain, that brain with a COPY of your consciousness will continue living, but the consciousness that YOU are will die.
>>317581919
But isn't that because the copies are working for the institute? Assuming that they weren't under command by the institute, they would continue living an identical life as to the original consciousness
>>317582105
>Assuming that they weren't under command by the institute
Then they just go to the memory lounge and get a memory wipe. Going so far as to risk becoming vegetables.
>>317581021
>>317581343
here's a simpler explanationif you think you're anything more than the contents of your brain, you're absolutely retarded
>>317577702
You know the debris on the ground wouldn't bug the shit out of me if it wasn't for the fact that they're making them out to be a form of military so they just have that little shit standing there doing nothing instead of picking up the 4 pieces of paper off the ground and concrete
The only person who was basically immortal was mr. house and that's because he put himself in a state of conscious stasis
the only thing that constitutes YOU as a person is your own consciousness, copying it exactly still doesn't make it you which sucks
>>317577796
what about danse? He's pretty good but only after you find out he's a synth, and while he's giving you that grade A lasergun at the start.
That whole
>learning to feel again
relationship shit is awful
>>317575268
Why does he have a haircut from today when the fallout world is stuck in a new-50s aesthetic?
>>317581394
this 2bh
/thread
>>317582150
So what deletes the contents of the original brain? Oh right, nothing. Because it's been copied. As in multiplied. As in there's 2 of you now.
>>317581663
Nah, see
>>317582150
Your equation is flawed, mines better
>>317582150
That shit doesnt work though unless you transplant the entire brain.
>>317582150
Yes, but what you are describing and have drawn is a brain transplant, and not copying your brain into another body.
Lets say you need to sit in a machine to transfer your memories into a synth. You sit down close your eyes, and the machine starts copying all your neuron path, Cell by cell it recreates the paths in the synth except well its not organic. At the end, you still wake up in the chair, and your life will still continue and you will still die eventually, except there will still be a clone of sorts of you running around.
Thats the point people are making.
>>317582150
That's not how synths work, like I said before it's easier and entirely possible to just make yourself into an cyborg.
>>317581465
You tell me.
You know, I really do wish I could see what I was saying before choosing a dialogue option.
>>317582197
Yeah, this haircut totally not come from the 30/40s right?
>>317581670
If they have the exact same brain/memories they are.
>>317581720
Proof me wrong nigga. You cannot.
>>317582421
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/1235/?
>>317581343
Right, if there is me and a synth of me, it is not like I see out of the synth's eyes. I can only see through my eyes, and if I die, it's not like I start seeing through the synth's eyes by some miracle. How could anybody want this or not see this problem?
>>317582150
Thats a brain transplant you retarded faggot.
Jesus christ just admit that you're wrong and kill yourself already.
>Get the news about Danse
>Decide to kill him even though he's my exterminatusbro
>He tells me I'm doing the right thing and that he doesn't want to be the exception but the example
>Tells me he's never been more proud in me
>Execute him
>Feel kinda sad but my spirit was lifted due to the fact he was a total bro to the end
>>317582150
This is bait, right? I'm just being rused.
>>317582468
Not everyone plays on PC you know.
>>317578218
but thats wrong you fucking retard. synth and the original have been shown existing in the fallout 4 world at the same time
certainly you dont mean to tell me you can be conscious in two bodies at once?
>>317582105
I have an idea
Why not link those 2 different consciouness of you together via wifi and then have a hivemind?
That way you'd be *you* but in 2 bodies, at the exact same time
What now nerds? Where is your god now?
>mfw discussing graduate level AI with high school kiddies and watching their brains exploding in furious rage
>>317582156
not to mention that being made to pick up trash and clean rocks is like 60% of the military experience
>>317582584
>playing Bethesda games on a console
>>317582454
No, those are clearly different. The one you posted relies on pulling the hair to the side, the one in the op is about pulling it back and shaving to 1mm on the sides.
>>317582629
>Need a beast machine to run it properly because of how shit optimized it is
>>317581394
Do you know about PSYCHIC CONTINUITY????
it is something that children understand but clearly you are having a hard time
>>317582616
This may be the stupidest thing I have ever read.
>I am definitely a graduate AI expert XD haha
>>317582279
If I deleted the original at the *exact same time* as the transference took place would it make you feel any less secure, nerd?
>not following Fuhrer Maxson's orders
>>317582682
It's still a derivation of it.
PIRACY IS A CRIME
SAY NO TO SYNTHS
>>317579701
the institute can't even see the potential of their own synthetics, they just use them as nefarious doppelganger machines and don't even realize they've created AI
>>317580227
That makes sense except the brotherhood believes synths are just machines incapable of free thought. It's a bit of a logic problem.
>is machine
>can be controlled
>but we can't controll it because it has free will
>so we destroy them because they're just machines without free will and feeling, controlled by the institute
>>317582624
All I want is one area in the game besides the institution where they try and clean it up. I decided to use the castle as my base of operation and I had to build an entire structure over the debris that nobody even bothers to try and clean up just so I didn't have a quarter of it being wasted space.
>Bane jacket
>No mask
How am I expected to play as a Big Guy now, Bethesda?
>scary ai!?! they will replace us! skynet is going to be real! they will have minds of their own and rebel!
>tons of videos of debates and seminars like this exist all over the internet
>meanwhile the best ai we have right now is cleverbot
this shit piss anyone else off? like can we get fucking remotely close to creating an Ai before diving into the moral and ethical implications of it?
>>317580458
>Get a piece of paper
>Draw yourself on it
>Make a photocopy
>Destroy the original
>You are still the original
how is this hard to grasp? You dead nigga
>>317582761
Special mentions to Obersturmführer Kells.
>>317575268
I watched my friend do this part.
He passed every speech check but seriously fuck maxson. "danse is like the best paladin here, he's irreplaceable" to "go kill your mentor because he's a robot"
Fucker needs to get his head checked. Anyone know if there is a option during this part to kill maxson?
>>317582893
how can "you still be the original" if yo just said yourself the original is destroyed?
>>317582720
If Sadfrog A decided to copy himself into a Sadbot Sadfrog A would still be just his regular old self. But now he'd be happy to take his life because Sadbot A would carry on his legacy.
The end is the sameYou kill yourself because you're shit
>>317582919
>Fucker needs to get his head checked.
He's right in his mind and doesn't let his judgment be affected by emotions.
That's what you expect from a leader, young at that.
Daily reminder.
>>317582893
this is bait
>>317582337
>>317582381
>>317582523
>WAHHH BRAIN TRANSPLANT WAAAAH
A brain is an organ, most of it controls the processes of your body, sending signals here and there.
The part that you interpret as unique, the part that is *you* lies in your memories. That' the part you want to keep.
Why keep *you* in an inferior meat CPU for the sake of posterity, when you can transfer the contents of *you* that you value into a superior CPU that will not die?
This is what you actually look like by the way. Somewhere in this grey meat is your consciousness which you deem to be *magic*.
If I ate this grey fleshy matter would I be eating your *soul*? Would I be eating you? Looks delicious don't it?
Why not save that part of yourself forever?
You'll eventually get dementia and rot away trapped in here if you don't. Even in 10 years what you perceive to be your consciousness will rot away to the point of no return.
I'm offering you hope. I'm offering you a future.
>>317582882
That is the best publicly accessible AI.
Why the fuck would someone spend ages researching intricate ai and then dump it on the internet for other peoples entertainment? Care to explain me that?
>>317582919
I don't see the problem honestly.
Maxson knows that Danse is/was irreplaceable, but considering that the BOS are against the Synths, any exceptions that would have been made would be going directly against what they were fighting for. There are and were to be no exceptions, and Danse if the prime example of this lesson. If you would allow even one Synth to be an exception, who's to say more won't follow? Who's to say that when people find out, that they won't rebel against your leadership?
>>317583021
I good leader doesn't turn their back on a follower for what they are.
If danse fucked up yeah I'd understand but they were going to execute him on the blimp if he didn't leave.
>>317583064
What's that supposed to show us you autist
>>317576536
..Good fucking point, if ANY game should've had That Gun in, it's this one.
>>317583107
>If I ate this grey fleshy matter would I be eating your *soul*? Would I be eating you? Looks delicious don't it?
Are you retarded?
>Why not save that part of yourself forever?
It was already explained that you CANT just transfer the contents of your brain, so once again i ask you: Are you retarded?
>I'm offering you hope. I'm offering you a future.
If its a futute populated by people as dumb as you, then i sure as hell would prefer dying.
>>317582919
Maxson still has a heart and you can persuade him to let Danse live. Like cmon son, the only choice isn't kill kill or kill.
>>317583107
That's all nice and good as far as the "grand scheme of things" is concerned anon, but can you stop me from dying. Experiencing death? Ceasing to exist? Oh right, you can only copy my consciousness into a machine, cool.
Only a brain transplant, or a systematic replacement of brain tissue with cybernetics can guarantee immortality, your shitty upload gimmick is worthless.
>>317582960
because you are destroyed, you are dead, there's just a copy that looks and acts like you. It's a different consciousness identical to your own.
>>317583107
You're just offering death with a mechanoid twin to take my place.
>>317583107
No, because if I saw a copy of myself, I wouldn't be aware of looking through the copy's eyes at my original self. The transfer superficially worked but its inherently flawed.
>>317583245
Jet fuel cant melt steel beams
epic meme
If I advance the game and complete the Fort Hagen stuff and the Arrival of the Brotherhood, will certain Quests become unavailable for instance because certain NPCs are changing/dying?
A few days ago I read on some gamefaqs link that a guy advanced the main story too much and now can't do xy anymore and I just wanted to know at which point I have to be careful and complete certain side quests first.
>>317577364
>BoS
>help wastelanders
Get the fuck out Fallout 3 kiddie
>>317583107
You have to be at least 18 years old to browse this website.
>>317583339
Finally someone gets it.
>>317583107
That's not how synths work. You're better off being like Kellogg, but of course you won't admit you're wrong because you think you're "epically" baiting people.
>>317583182
>find out your war is unjust and what you believed to begin with to be wrong
>keep fighting it anyway instead of changing your views based on the new evidence, just because others find it unacceptable
>>317583245
If you start running now, you might catch the joke since it flew over your fucking dumb head.
>>317583107
DELETE THIS
>>317583237
Danse even accept his fate and agree if you do what must be done.
He's a fucking synth, the enemy, they can retrieve him anytime they want and gather all those years of info on the BoS.
Can't you see how much of a threat it is ?
>>317575268
He's right though.
I was a bit on the fence about killing him and fighting the institute, but then i realized that at some point they killed Danse and replaced him with a synth.
The real Danse is gone, that thing in the Power Armor is a monster
>>317583429
>reddit tier memes are funny
How about you fuck off shitcunt
>>317576263
You can spare him if he converts back to human.
>>317583428
The war isn't unjust, you need to realize that Danse wasn't Danse, he was just another Synth with his personality, memories, etc. He has no humanity, and is just a puppet of the Institute.
>>317576945
They're crazy fucks who value synths more than human lives, yet they don't care at all about synths who do not wish to leave the institute and have differing opinions from them.
They want to wipe out 200 years of progress just to rescue like half the synths or even less, killing everyone else in the Institute in the progress.
They are fucking nutjobs who enjoy playing secret agents.
I felt guilty about having to kill them at first, but after progressing with their quests just a little bit the guilt quickly faded. What a bunch of retarded loonies.
I'm so torn between the Minuteman and the Brotherhood
I know if I side with Minutemen I eventually have to get rid of the Brotherhood but I do like their shit for the most part.
I just feel Minuteman offer the best outcome for the Commonwealth.
Is it possible to kill the Insitute with the BoS then turn on them and finish the game with the Minutemen?
>>317583245
>getting mad at jokes
>>317576263
>Hurr kill Virgil
Not if you give him the FEV cure.
If you didn't, you're a fucking jew, screwing him while he helped you.
>>317583268
>you CANT just transfer the contents of your brain
In a hypothetical universe such as Fallout, 200 years into the future, prove it nerd.
>>317583308
So you'll take death over the synthetic version of eternal life? And you're calling me a retard?
>>317583571
Danse wasn't a synth that replaced someone. he was an escapee that was saved by the railroad many years before.
>>317583326
>looks and acts like you
When you look into the mirror do you have an irrational rage fit and start attacking yourself?
>>317583616
i got put into doing both defend the castle and boot up liberty prime at the same time, so i got him to the river, took a vertibird to the fort, did some support, took another vertibird then carried on with liberty prime, the castle survived and quest completed just as i jumped into the institute
>>317583634
>Shit doesnt work in real life, retard
>b-but i was talking about the game
No on cares about wether it works ingame or not, because its a videogame and the developers can just decide to do whatever they want.
>>317583634
You take death either way.
I mean I'd probably let someone copy my brain in the future, I don't give a shit not like it harms me in any way, but that doesn't really give me any kind of immortality, I'll still die eventually.
>>317583571
If free synthetics are puppets why do they need a fucking army of coursers to track and return them?
>>317583694
Why don't you go look in a mirror and kill yourself so you can live on eternally as your reflection?
>>317583694yes_____
>>317575268
That fucking coat is pretty much the same Bane wore during the stadium scene. Now I only need a mask for the Big Guy experience. Can't believe no one has mentioned it yet.
>>317581179
That is not a valid point,thats an excuse, a shitty one.
>>317581609
Jesus Christ you're fucking retarded
>>317583409
>>317583339
How is it flawed? Why do you need to be aware of looking through the copy's eyes at your original self?
Okay, okay fine. You guys are afraid of death.
If I said you didn't have to die to be a synth, but your synth "doppelganger" would be activated at the time of your natural death...
Would you fags stop being so fucking whiny?
>>317583419
No, I know I'm right, and I realize that you 14 year olds are too stupid to grasp the brevity of what I'm trying to teach you here.
What I'm telling you is literally beyond your station.
>>317583829
Like I said, there's nothing wrong with wanting to influence the world after you're gone, but having a robot with your memories is not immortality. It's just having an immortal mechanical copy of yourself. In the end, you're still dead.
>>317575479
>minutemen seem bland as fuck but the least shitty choice
>Preston hates the Instritute and synths
>goal is to make the Commonwealth safer
>go with them to blow up the Institute
>"Hey you can evacuate the building if you want"
>Why the fuck would I do that
>Set up the explosive
>about to teleport out of there
>"Hey we found the synth replica of your son"
>"D-Daddy! Please save me daddy!"
>What the fuck this robot didn't even call me dad before, why should we believe him?
>"Wait, you're just going to leave the kid here to die?"
>What fucking faction am I on? He's a robot, I didn't raise him and he doesn't have my dna.
>"Wow that's cold..."
>warp out of there and blow the fucker, I'm pissed off at how my faction has suddenly turned into the fucking railroad
>Preston ask "yo did you evacutate the building?"
>What no, why would we do that?
>"YO IT WEREN'T SPOSED TO GO DOWN LIKE DIS NIGGA!"
>>317580240
The synth is not you, it is a robot with your memories and personality. You're not transported into a synth body, your memories are copied and pasted into a synth body, and you are killed. It's the same reason I would never use teleporters if they were ever invented.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdxucpPq6Lc
>>317583764
>why do they need a fucking army of coursers
They only have a few in service.
If you looks up the terminals in the intitute, they keep record of the synth that evaded(in which you find clue that Danse is a synth).
There's like a dozen of them at best.
>>317583829
Still wouldnt mean that its the real you inside the synth.
Its a synth that acts like you.
But you are too dumb to comprehend this, so you'll probably just say
>well whats the difference?
Like the retard that you are.
The (superior) artist's vision
>>317583890
>I know I'm right
>fallout universe proves otherwise, DESPITE there being other ways to prolong your life.
>NAH I'M RIGHT BRO.
>>317583519
>that thing in the Power Armor is a monster
so youre gonna kill what remains of danse for nothing?
>>317583107
I've contracted the HOLDS UP SPORK strain of autism from this post
>>317583890
You're trying to argue some dumb bullshit ethical or moral or philosophical point when people are saying that no one gives a fuck about your shit-tier immortality.
Either let the stream of consciousness we're in go on forever or don't call in immortality.
>>317583990
Just stop.
He is too dumb to understand that he's wrong.
>>317583742
>>Shit doesnt work in real life, retard
How do you know besides your own opinion?
>>317583979
The disrespectful ungrateful player's vision
>>317583829yes desu lad
>>317583951
I can understand evacuation, there was a lot of good people in there, even if you don't count synthetics as people. But that robot kid thing is hilarious.
He does have your DNA though, all synths have your DNA through your child, that's why they took him in the first place silly.you are now aware that you've been sleeping with curie and she is effectively your granddaughter
>>317583829
I suppose I wouldn't care because I would be dead. Personally, I'd prefer no synth of me after I am dead.
>>317584074
Because if you're copying your consciousness to someone else and then die, you wont suddenly wake up in the other persons body.
Its not logical.
>Implying you're ANYTHING more than a bunch of memories plus your physical self right now
>>317583962
The point still stands, that they wouldn't need coursers if synthetics were all under the control of the institute. Danse is free, just unacceptable to the institute disabling him.
>Be 10 CHA and go for BoS ending
>Find out one of your best soldiers could potentially be a proxy
>It could mean that the Institution wanted to bring the skybase to Boston and destroy it all along
>Leaving a synth alive could be fine, but only if he leaves the brotherhood since it could demoralize the ranks and maybe split the hood if the enemy is left alive
>Leave the mad scientist alive because he found a cure for the FEV virus, which would not harm society at all
>Make farmers pay a small tax with crops and bring them security from raiders
>Hopefully the BoS will be able to keep people relatively safe from synths, ferals and super mutants until they form their sort of NCR, which could rain on raiders once the BoS leave, and even then, Raiders have power armors now, so it's only natural for the BoS to stay and help defend everybody.
They are the authoritarian world police boston needs if humanity ever wants to get any sort of hope for the future.
The minutemen seem like the only other choice that seems good enough for me, but they clearly don't have the firepower to deal with raiders and the remainders of the institute, this way we don't have to force civilians to live a military life if they don't want.
And they have the coolest weapons my nignogs, if only they had armies of cute assaultrons they would be perfect.
>>317584162
>implying copying memories and giving them someone else means you can live on as them
>>317584162
Atleast I made those memories myself
>>317584127
I kill all synths except Curie because we know that Curie was a Robco droid making her untainted by Instishits.
>>317583975
The only argument here is how fluid/what quality of the copy it could be.
It is possible to transfer your consciousness hypothetically speaking. You are not able to grasp this because the technology does not exist yet. That's why you keep lashing out like a chimpanzee.
>/v/ argues philosophy and theoretical neuroscience
>>317584273
We'll know much more after that russian hack doctor finishes his head transplant.
>>317578565
>Game kicked out Speech
>Awful dialogue options, boiling down to "fuck off, yes, maybe, no"
>Surprised he can't reason with people
>>317583990
>>fallout universe proves otherwise
How? The only proof you gave is a game called Soma, but even then the "copy" wasn't aware that he was a copy.
Seems like his consciousness was fluidly transferred to me.
>>317584273
>argues
more like people are replying to super obvious bait. /v/ is just a pond of hungry little fishes ready to eat whatever the fuck is available
>>317584248
According to your memories, you did, yes.
>>317584256
>The only argument here is how fluid/what quality of the copy it could be.
No, the argument is, that just because you created a carbon copy of yourself you're immortal for some reason.
You're still you and you are trapped in your body forever, the only difference is, there is someone that looks and acts exactly like you going on in your place.
You're still dead, only someone else has taken your place, i.e you have been replaced.
>>317584063
>Either let the stream of consciousness we're in go on forever
It's not possible
Even in a robotic body, your brain will eventually degrade, because it's made of meat
>>317575268
Danse is a Synth???? no no no.... he was my homie.... my friend. this whole game is a lie.. FUCK
>>317584450
Then it's pointless. Embrace it.
>>317584235
it'd still be you though
you wouldnt even be aware of the transfer if done properly lol
>>317583627
Tbh, I forgot about Virgil after I got into the Institute, I only remembered I was supposed to help him when I was ordered to kill him. By that time the only option was to murder him since he becomes hostile when you get that mission.
>>317584428
>someone else
You have created a copy of yourself to take your own place, prolonging your influence on the world, and the memory of you.
That is not the same as someone else taking your place.
>>317584482
yep.
if you leave him alive he suicide bombs the airship.
you find a holotape in Santuary afterwards thanking you for supporting "the cause".
>>317584342
You're really using SOMA as an example?
>let someone upload my consciousness in a databank on a certain day
>live on the rest of my short, cancer ridden life until i die
>die
>couple hundreds of years later the consciousness gets used again on a clone
>the clone now thinks its the original and can only remember things up to the moment from where its consciousness was uploaded
If anything, SOMA disproves your theory.
>>317584232
I sided with the BoS, the minutemen have a good will but not the means.
Yukari best girl.
>>317584527
No it would be a copy that looked like me, not me.
And i wouldnt notice a transfer, because there was no transfer, i would die and someone else that looks and acts like me would take my place.
>>317584273
it has to start somewhere if we are gonna push the science.
Are people arguing that things wont work in the context of a universe full of indistinguishable robot humans who can eat shit sleep and drink?
There's no reason why given the absurd leaps in suspension of disbelief required in the game that you can't transplant your consciousness into a synth. They have a random chick in a slum with memory reading powers and she manages to transfer the consciousness of a dead cyborg into a synth.
Why the fuck are you discussing things in real world terms when the science of this game is all magical made up shit?
>>317584585
my god... this whole game every decision ive made has been to make Danse proud. I will continue that path
>>317584563
Its not the same as me living on either, its still a copy that replaces me.
>>317584207
>just unacceptable
god damnit
>susceptible
Did you guys ever run into Art? The man being attacked by his own synth? Just goes to prove that synths are just cheap copies of the original person. In any case, even if you don't care about your consciousness surviving in a synth copy you are inherently trusting the legacy of your existence to a clone you have no control over. If you get to exist simultaneously, then there are people having interactions and forming relationships with "you" that you are not aware of and cannot control, which is problematic at best for the both of you if nobody learns there are two of you. If you are killed for the sake of there only being a single instance of you, then you are trusting your clone to continue your legacy in the same way you would do it. Further, beyond the philosophical questions of whether a perfect clone of you is truly "you" or not, synths are demonstrably imperfect clones. Their memories can be wiped and manipulated. They can be programmed by anyone with the sufficient technology. You aren't just trusting the legacy of your existence, which is the ONLY part of your life that matters beyond your personal stream of consciousness (which the Institute has proven they CANNOT transfer), to a synth but also to the Institute and every human being with the knowledge to manipulate it.
>>317584428
>You're still dead, only someone else has taken your place, i.e you have been replaced.
It's not like someone else is taking control of your original body.
You're merely just transferring consciousness to a new body.
People in this thread merely have an emotional attachment to their body that they perceive as *themself*. It's an irrational understanding at the biometric level.
If I take *you* and copy your brain to a new body. Now *you* have 2 separately working consciousnesses. *You* in the new body will not have even known the difference.
Regardless of the original, *you*, not a copy of you, not a version of you, not an imposter, but *you* will exist in a new body.
This idea frightens you, and because of that you reject the idea.
>>317584774
Of course it's the same as living on. You just won't get to experience it.
>>317584671
>the minutemen have a good will but not the means.
In the Minutemen ending you eliminate the BoS from the Commonwealth.
I'm pretty sure they have the means.
>b-but muh power armor
>>317584585
>if you leave him alive he suicide bombs the airship.
wot.
It never happened to me.
The nigga is hanging around at Bravo with a X-01 somehow.
>>317584806
Are we just going back and forth now?
Me telling you that it doesnt work and then you saying that it does work?
>You're merely just transferring consciousness to a new body.
Because it doesnt work that way.
>no high charisma option to unite everyone and solve everything peacefully
>no high charisma option for anything important really, just information and extra caps
>everything going on in the institute is still super vague
>even if you take over they still don't explain shit
>no way to work in harmony with the people of the commonwealth
shit game
alsoi completely forgot about virgil, oops. I expected his serum to have a quest marker or something but it didn't so I never got it.
>>317584631
How did you disprove my theory? Sounds like you exactly explained what I'm trying to convey.
Clone or not, you live on.
Not *YOU* the physical meatbag, that part doesn't matter.
*You* the essence of you, your brain, your consciousness, is tranferred, through time and space.*You* live on.
>>317584859
So what you're saying is, that its not me thats living on, but rather the idea of me?
My meme?
>>317584251I wonder if the argument about becoming a synth applies here and you in fact killed curie in the dream den
>>317584880
>I'm pretty sure they have the means.
Good luck with their "minute notice" with no vertibird.
>>317584746
because in real world terms transferring your consciousness is still possible.
these retards just dont want to admit it because theyre afraid of death, and overly attached to their physical bodies.
They have cyborg brain implants that can store organic consciousness. There is no 'copy' involved. With this technology you could directly transfer into the new body, there would not be a 'copy'. One you, one continuous consciousness.
>>317577776
>Wanting to be a synth
>Never wanting to eat again
>Not ever enjoying sleep again
>If you ever develop your own "new" personality you get collected by bladerunner for reset
>>317584939
The idea of me would live on, but not the actual me.
And there is no point in the concept of me living on if i cant experience it.
>>317584325
>head transplant
>not body transplant
>>317584918
The railroad could potentially see eye to eye with the institute just as the minutement could potentially form an alliance with the BoS.
However the BoS will never allow the railroad/institute to exist because their leader is a Warhammer 40k commissar calling for death to all xenos and heretics.
>>317584801
If his "clone" as you put it... is attacking himself.
It's because he himself has chose to eradicate the originate copy, probably out of fear of 2 of him existing at once.
Art kills himself. Not a clone.
>>317584939
at that point you might as well just have kids, and argue that everyone has eternal life through family.
>>317584801
>(which the Institute has proven they CANNOT transfer)
The only thing they can't transfer is the "experience" of being awake the entire time during the transference. Why should the stream of consciousness even matter?
>>317585012
How do you explain Art, the guy who has a Synth copy of him whilst he's still alive?
>not adopting synthson as Curie and your love child.
It's like you dont have any concept of a good life
>>317585101
>just as the minutement could potentially form an alliance with the BoS
That's how I see it for the BoS ending.
The minutemen act as a middleman. between wastelanders and the BoS.
>>317584979
>Vertibirds
has there ever been a single one that HASN'T crashed?
>>317585042
Why does the actual you need to live on?
I suppose you could be a ghoul instead if you care so much about the *actual you*.
>>317585231
I explain that by saying that he probably didn't choose to have his consciousness transferred into a synth and was actually a product of the institutes insidious replacement scheme which is mentioned constantly throughout the game?
There's a difference between being copied by bad guys and willingly transferring yourself into a new body.
>>317585106
Unless he's still under institute control, like most synths who replace people
>>317585036
>never wanting to eat again
You'll never starve either
Also prove to me that the experience of eating isn't just nerve sensory experience streamed to your brain, and that that exact same experience can't be digitally replicated?
>>317585231
Shitty writing, like the rest of the game.
>>317585259
my synthson was half asian so I didn't think it was appropriate.
he had to die, Curie would have never accepted him.
Codsworth can be our adopted son instead.
>>317585290
At least they have the means to replace them indefinitely.
Pilots should take some jet, that would help for maneuvers.
>>317584953
Honestly, yes. That's exactly what I mean.
>>317585364
The original argument is that at the end of the game you become the leader of the institute, and can use this technology for the betterment of mankind.
>>317584979
why vertibird when the minutemen are essentially everywhere?
>>317584585
Im not finding any info about him doing that.
They added a fucking FEV cure in this game?
Jesus fuck.
>>317585259
>synthson
This thing is pure illusion and an abomination.
I left it inside to be nuked.
According to the people in this thread, every time Neo jacked into the Matrix, he died, was recreated, and then when he left the Matrix a doppelganger program took over his original body
Whoa dudes
>>317585535
Only to a special type of FEV.
There's multiple breed and it only cures one.
>>317585106
The problem is that the original didn't want it. They have no consensus. In this case, Art was a victim of his clone making a decision against his own free will. Not only does this violate any idea that synths are perfect clones of you who would only do what you would do and think exactly like you, but it shows that they have no interest in continuing your legacy, your philosophical existence, and instead would rather live as an individual free from your identity.
>>317578168
>considering that your conciousness dies every time you pass out or go to sleep
Nigga wut?
>>317585552
>wanting to rescue a replica of your 10 yearold son
sort of understandable
>wanting to rescue a replica of your 10 yearold son who will stay 10 forever, up until, and after you die
god no let it die already, I'd nuke the institute specifically to wipe out that abomination
Third gen synths are not people. They're synths. They should either be used as labor or destroyed.
>>317585403
Are you really telling me you'd be fine with never eating your favorite food again? Sure you probably COULD, But you wont ever have the thought of "Wow i could really go for some X right now"
>>317585626
>this violate any idea that synths are perfect clones of you who would only do what you would do and think exactly like you
What? I'm saying that Art himself chose to kill himself, not that a fucked up corrupted version of himself did
Without speaking to the synth, there's no way of knowing whether it was corrupt, if if Art in the synth's body made a conscious decision to eliminate his old self
>>317584953
>>317585428
Though in this case, it's not only your memes that would live on, but your genes as well. And they would both be perfectly preserved, unlike genes passed onto children, and memes preserved in history and culture.
>>317584806
You're not "transferring your consciousness", retard.
Your memories have no magic aura around them.
You are an animal. You are a physical being. You are your brain and your body.
Your memories are just data that you collect on your hard drive.
Your memories have no soul.
Copying your body and putting your data in your copy is irrelevant.
I genuinely believe you're too stupid to understand this or you have crazy death anxiety
>>317585626
Yes. Although if you cloned YOURSELF, rather than having been cloned against your will, both parties would be on board with the idea of there being two yous.
Obviously you wouldn't fucking clone yourself if you wanted to live on, you'd transfer your consciousness like dr amari does in the Memory Den.
>>317585740
You get to eat because you want to eat, not because you have to.
Unless synths do have to, where does their power come from otherwise?
>>317585740
You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realize?Ignorance is bliss
>>317585831
>where does their power come from otherwise?
You'd have to ask someone from the M.I.T.
>>317585216
Because there are only three things that prove your existence as an individual, unless you believe in souls. Your genetics (which do not exist in a synth clone as they are all genetically based off of Father), your legacy (your philosophical existence in everyone's memories and in your accomplishments, which synths cannot carry out in the same way you would), and your own stream of conscious thought, hence "I think therefore I am". If you aren't experiencing what your synth is doing, and your synth isn't projecting your genes (your biological existence) or providing a true simulation of how your life would proceed if you weren't a synth (thus extending your legacy and your philosophical existence) then how is a synth you, besides having the same face?
>>317585605
The matrix just makes your body comatose while your mind is completely preoccupied piloting your videogame character. If you want to be pedantic you can say the virtual Neo died when the real Neo unplugged.
>>317584806
But you'll just wake up next to a copy of yourself, before you're promptly assassinated
I just don't want to die so that a copy can live in my place. Why would you?
>>317579079
super mutants were made by the FEV. artificially made
ghouls were made by radiaton. which was brought artificially by humans when the bombs fell
>>317585792
No, you aren't realizing that what you perceive as "consciousness" is literally just your unbroken stream of memories being powered on in the machine that is your body.
If I take those memories, put them in a new cpu, power you on, you'll still experience consciousness.
>Your memories have no magic aura around them.
So we actually agree then. Welcome to the collective.
>>317585775
Corrupt or not, "original" Art was against the idea. The synth is deviating from the path the original would have taken. It is at that point its own person, a free agent with free will who can't be counted as the same as its original because of that difference. This is especially true if it made the decision itself. "Art" as a conglomerate being between himself and his synth made no decision due to a lack of consensus.
>>317586140
But you won't experience consciousness, your copy will. You just get to experience death.
>>317578565
I don't get why bethesda likes to put the PC into a high position of power that doesn't do anything.
I'd be fine if you only get a rank or two in an organization that you've been involved with for two weeks. But it seems pointless to make the PC the head, or second in command of a faction and be unable to have any influance on that faction.
It would have been so much better if becoming the leader of the institue could have been lead to get even more insane and treat the surface as only a test bed, and people on the surface are inherintly subhuman, or go completely the other way and get the institue to actually try to help humanity beyond testing on them. Making them openingly help larger settlements and provide things that people need.
You could encourage the BoS to double down on being anti-synth and get to the point where it's such a good idea to get rid of them anyone being accused can be taken out back and shot to save people from technology, or getting them to realize that synths even if it's programing act way human enough to slip into places as human, so attempting to kill them is just pointlessly fighting over details.
Or simply convince the railroad to do something that benefits more people instead of smuggling out a handful of synths when raiders and super mutants are still a real thing that harm more people then the institue harms synths
None of the leadership positions feel earned, they arn't tied to any "Earn X favor" so you rise through the ranks over six missions/quests
>>317575268
Mr Jefferson did nothing wrong
>>317585815
Problem being that the synth made a decision on its own. The act of killing the original is not the issue. It is the fact that it made a decision that deviated from what the original wanted. Who is to say that a self made clone of yourself would not decide that it didn't want the original you to die, and kill itself to prevent you from killing yourself?
>>317586156
The synth is doing what the original would do if he found out he were a synth.
>>317585427
>At least they have the means to replace them indefinitely.
Weren't Vertibirds a rare prototype in 2? Why the fuck is it that the BoS has a seemingly endless supply of the things, and why are they so fucking easy to shoot down?
Can I join the brotherhood, railroad, and institute and complete all of their respective quests during one play through? Or will progressing so far with one faction make me unable to complete later missions of another faction?
>>317585775
the difference is, when I talk down real art, he puts his gun away and is willing to not kill his clone.
When I talk down synth art, he tries to kill me and the original.
My only problem with the synth as immortal copy is that its being made by a third party who has specific interests in mind in creating it and is, for all intents and purposes, an isolated research and development facility with no way to actually control what the fuck its doing once they release it to the wasteland.
Sooner or later, the Institute is going to either morph into skynet or become 1984
>>317586313
Progressing so far down the line will eventually net you a quest with each faction that essentially locks you out of working with all other factions, and autofails all missions you've taken for other factions
>>317586236
And in the end of them all you just get a pat on the back, "Good work for being the best of us all, Now go do more infinite quests"
>>317586290
Except the original knows. He begs for you to help him escape his synth, as he is afraid that it will harm his family. He is well aware that the other "him" is a synth.
>>317586313
>that pic
Where is it in Australia?
>>317586313
You can be a triple agent like halfway into each of their stories. There's even a quest where there's a three-way battle where all three sides can potentially be friendly to you, so you can just walk around undisturbed.
>>317586313
The game will tell you that at certain point in each faction quest line.
>>317586140
That's a different person with your memories
To other people it might seem like it's you but it doesn't matter.
We are physical beings, not space wizards
>>317586434
>that fucking quest
it was brilliant, so much free gear. It felt so anticlimactic though, that big gunfight with me just walking through the warzone looting every corpse.
Even better that the BOS are by far the strongest faction in the battle but you get an invincible synth buddy to slowly wipe them all out so you can steal their shit too.
Who even use the institute laser weaponry?
It's dogshit for something designed by a group of genius.
>>317575970
So what makes a synth different from a human at that point, besides being born in a lab?
>>317586634
I use the rifle with extra freezing damage, which makes it better than any of the laser rifles I've found so far.
But yeah, it's kind of dumb that they're so ineffective. Maybe they're built to be efficient instead of powerful or something.
>>317586634
I never saw the point since Danse gives you a good lasergun that's easier to upgrade. They could have probably given the institute better weapons too because they actually seem pretty weak and easy to kill compared to the BOS. In any encounter that involves both, the BOS just seem to annihilate the institute
BoS are fucking cyber nazis apparently. At least the enclave made their own shit, the BoS just steal everything
>>317586702
They aren't. The only reason the Institute keeps claiming 3rd gen synths are not human is becase they don't want to let go of the conveniency of the 3rd gen synths. They're in denial, basically.
>>317586907
Nazis made their own things.
Everyone stole everything they did afterward.
>>317579326isn't this like niers story?
So im nearing the end and im about to choose sides, So far im thinking railroad mostly because they seem to be the only faction that are fine with Curie, "Father" only seems to lie to your face And i have to opinion on marxon at all.
>>317587225
That's pretty much how I felt.
Was a toss-up between then MMs and the railroad, just because the BOS and institute are woefully ignorant to the facts about synths, and have very little care about Boston in general
>>317587225
Railroad are retards.
The curie case is special.
Technically she a normal robot who got transfered into a human-like body and she knows she's not human+ doesn't hide it.
>>317587749
Well, synths would probably be more like her if the institute hadn't forced them into such an awkward situation where they have to pretend they're human to be free.
>>317587225
>Unironically choosing railroad
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Why would you help a bunch of secret agent-playing loonies erase 200 years of progress, kill the entire human staff of the Institute and kill most of the 3rd gen Synths of the Institute, just to free 13 synths plus some synths on the fence about leaving?
>>317587834
You're blaming the wrong persons here.
This paranoia is all because of the railroad fuckups
Libertalia murderer is the railroad work for example.
Machines are meant to serve humanity not to equal or defy it.
A machine have no rights or freedom, the only reason to its existence is to serve humans.
>>317588004
Dude, I care about like 4 people in the entire commonwealth, One of which is me.
>>317586634
Institue weapons are fucking stupid.
You deal 10 dam with them but the synths can deal 50.
Why not make them uber energy weapon but use a source of energy only availble in the institute.
>>317582105
>If you clone yourself or COPY your brain into a robot brain, that means there's now two of you who are two different consciousnesses, your conscious that you are right now will not exist in two places at once, there will be two. So if you die after uploading your brain, that brain with a COPY of your consciousness will continue living, but the consciousness that YOU are will die.
The copy is just as much me as the original though. If my original self dies and my copied self lives on I live.
>>317588025
but they've achieved free will on their own, the institute just effectively kills them if they do that whilst in the institute, instead of acknowledging them as conscious beings and giving them any sort of right to their thoughts, they just kill them, which drives them to the railroad in the first place. They are robots as much as we are organic machines.
>>317588025
>A machine have no rights or freedom
Because no one has made such laws yet, in real life or in the Fallout universe, because artificial intelligence with free will doesn't exist yet. But 3rd gen synths are artificial intelligence with free will.
>>317588224
Except from your perception you just die and nothing else. If you're okay with that, go ahead.
>>317588239
>but they've achieved free will on their own, the institute just effectively kills them if they do that whilst in the institute, instead of acknowledging them as conscious beings and giving them any sort of right to their thoughts, they just kill them.
Which makes total sense, they're machines.
Such things shouldn't exist, it's a threat to mankind.
>>317588415
>creating artificial life just to end it
they don't seem any more of a threat than any human does to humankind though, unless they're still under institute control, then they're a huge threat to everyone
>>317575268
what hairstyle is this?
>>317588581
It's just one of the default ones, if that's what you mean.
>>317588562
That's why the BoS nuked the institute.
To end this madness.
>>317588724
that's a lot more understandable, its a pity the institute just seem totally blind to the madness, at least the synth divisions. The other divisions seem to partially acknowledge that they don't seem to be helping anyone and that the synth program makes little sense.
>>317588724
AD VICTORIAM
>>317588562
>Institute
>Huge threat to anyone
>Kidnappings confirmed stopped long ago
>People being replaced by synths confirmed not the Institute's fault
>Just want to keep to themselves
How the fuck is the Institute a threat to ANYONE?
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