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HasMetal Gearconditioned anyone else to fucking abhor these things? Like, I have a serious ethical problem with these things just being around, and I tried picking one up but immediately had to drop it. I don't care how good the fatman is.
Look what these fucking things did to the world, why would I use one?
>I tried picking one up but immediately had to drop it
Why? So some super mutant can use it? You should have took that shit back to vault 111 and locked it up in there so it was buried. At least there you know that shit is safe. Your inactivity in handling the mininukes is just as bad as the people that use the fat man.
Way to be an enabler, you shitmop.
>Not hoarding all nuclear-related objects and storing them out of everyone elses reach
>>317518360
I sell them cause I love money. Also whatever makes less super mutants run at me holding them jesus christ fucking help me.
I only ever used the Fat Man against Super Mutant Overlords in 3 because they are annoying as fuck damage sponges that otherwise take 5 minute constant streams of bullets to take down MEANWHILE your wasting your supply of Stimpaks just so you don't die because FOR SOME REASON when they wield Lazer Rifles it does a fuckton more damage then you will ever do wielding it.
Fuck, even the Behemoths are easier to take down because they're dumb as fuck. Yes I'm mad, and yes the Overlords still piss me off.
>>317518969
and thats how the Brotherhood of Nukes started
But this is a world where radiation is magical and can make you basically immiortal
>>317518360
It's funny, because in Fallout 1, even the fucking terrifying hive mind abomination Master refused to use nukes as a weapon for MORAL reasons.
"This is our Master's weapon of last resort. If we find an enemy we cannot defeat in battle, then we will destroy them with this. But I doubt this will ever happen. Even our Master does not want to unleash the dreaded power of the atom again!"
And then by Fallout 3 you go around nuking everything with mini-nukes and the megaton bomb while HACKIN AND WHACKIN AND SMACKIN is playing in the fucking background
>>317518360
But Metal Gear doesn't really even show the impacts of the Nuclear arsenal, the furthest it ever got was deterrence. I mean, they used a bloody Davy Crockett in MGS3 and its effects are barely shown anywhere in the game.
>>317519717
Well, yeah. Bethesda fundamentally misunderstood the tone of the games.
>implying the US and China wouldn't have destroyed the world anyway with a long drawn out conventional war
>tfw I killed Kellog with a mini nuke
>>317518360
Because Bethesda had to go full on lol whacky and introduce fucking nuclear catapults.
Not even some type of Davey Crockett knock-off or anything, a fucking shoulder fired catapult. For nuclear weapons.
Not to mention Bethesda was under the impression that the Great War was fought with fucking WW2 style fatman/littleboy type bombs instead of goddamn nuclear ICBMs. Because lol whacky 50s setting.
>>317518360
I hope you don't plan to side with the BoS then or you're going to have a heart attack.
>>317520349
Oh and I almost forgot about the massive fucking retarded mecha that hand tosses an unlimited number of nuclear footballs because why the fuck not lol whacky 50s amirite
>>317520003
If they had waited just a bit longer, it's quite possible fusion reactors could have become efficient enough to be mainstream and therefore eliminate the issue the war was being fought over
That being said, I doubt conventional warfare would have the same impact on the planet as Fallout's ridiculous amount of ICBM neutron bombs
>>317520471
If we're going down this route with the amount of shit that got nuked there should be a lot less buildings standing and random foot items/whatnot sitting around unharmed.
>>317518360
Are you retarded?
>>317520471
When I sided with the brotherhood I actually got a little perturbed at the fact that Liberty Prime was literally just pulling an infinite amount of nukes from his back that were the size of a smart-car, and whipping them at the ground in front of us. Like holy shit what the fuck is going on who thought a shitty escort mission was what I wanted to finish this bullshit story arc with the worst faction in any game. Christ
>>317518360
I can't believe how weak the fatman is in this game. It does maybe half health to a lot of enemies and more like 1/5 to murlocks.
>>317521008
>murlock
We ain't in WoW here, boy.
>>317518360
>Look what these fucking things did to the world
Peace?
>>317521213
Yeah the horrible giant mutant scorpions roaming around sure do put my mind at ease.
>>317518360
No, I abhor them because the first one I shot in Fallout 3 arched and hit an overhead beam right in front of me and I killed myself. Haven't touched one since.
>>317519465
Oh... oh my god.
>>317521213
I think he's referring to the Fallout world, anon.
I know it's hard for you to read, sometimes, but it's okay.
>>317520202me too.
>>317521008
Stop playing it like an FPS and get the proper perks if you want the Fatman to kill everything in sight.
>>317521450
Considering he brought up metal gear it was obvious the talked about the meta of bombs.
Why was the bomb in Megaton a fatman style bomb? And why does it have a logo on it that looks sorta like the Vault-tec logo?
Did Beth forget that ICBMs were used in the Great War? And that the Great War didn't happen in the goddamn 50s?
Did they seriously try and have a fucking Chinese bomber cross the entire continental US to manually deliver a fucking antique nuclear weapon that is over 100 years outdated by that point? And the bomb doesn't even explode but still produces a fucking massive crater?
Fallout 3 and 4 are fantasy universes with magic replaced by nuclear power
>>317521753
Nah dude I've been alive 100 years from radiation poisoning it's real.
Why don't the Children of Atom from rad poisoning?
>>317522196
They're taking that radaway on the side. Bunch of frauds.
>>317521753
Even Bethesda's fantasy universes seem excessively magic ridden
>>317522196
I dunno, why don't they from rad poisoning? My dad from rad poisoning years ago, it was very. Now my family is.
>>317520349
I don't think a nuke launcher is out of place in the Fallout universe, or Liberty Prime for the matter. The game is very clearly a parody of 1950s jingoism and that stuff fits perfectly. The realism argument goes out of the window when you have shit like radiation turning people into zombies.
What is out of place however is how despite the destruction nukes caused no one seems to have a problem with using them. The BoS in Fallout 4 sit and rant about how they need to destroy synths because of the harm they can cause humanity but they have no problem nuking the shit out of Boston with an arsenal of nuclear warheads and a giant robot? The same BoS who hate wastelanders because they don't want irradiated DNA in their ranks?
Bethesda are just shitty writers. There's no reason in a post-apocalyptic world all the organised factions like the BoS and the Enclave would be using weapons of mass destruction. Even in the previous games the most evil factions had more sound motives. The Master's Army wanted to evolve everyone into super mutants so humanity could thrive on an irradiated world, while Caesar's Legion just wanted Hoover Dam to power their infrastructure. The only faction that should reasonably want to use shit like nukes are raiders or dumbfuck tribals.
you fucking autistic or something
weird lad
>Walkin down the street minding my own business
>Hear *PSSHHHWWWEEEEEEEEWWWWWWW*
>Die to mini nuke before I know what's even shooting it
>>317520202
>Killing Shawn in his hospital bed with a mini nuke from 2 feet away
>>317519269
If you shoot their arm it explodes on the first hit. blow them up immediately and you kill most of them
>>317522731
That's if you're lucky enough to have a nice open space and not have terrifying beeping run at you from around a corner.
>>317522497
Libery prime doesn't fit into fallout 3, let alone fallout, fallout 2, or new Vegas.
It's Optimus Prime throwing nuke footballs and shitting le funny randums ex dee memes.
>>317522497
>I don't think a nuke launcher is out of place in the Fallout universe, or Liberty Prime for the matter.
Confirmed for first fallout was fallout 3.
>>317522634
>Turn corner
>Raider with a fat man 2 feet away
>Surely he's not that retarded
>Oh, he is.
>>317522634
>>317523048
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg9r7lvc4fs
It's been 200+ years. How have the nukes not become decayed and useless?
>>317522910
And how exactly is that any less ridiculous than nearly everything else in Fallout? They can mass produce robots and laser cannons but suddenly a giant robot is pushing the limit?
>>317523048
>Minuteman mission where you have to take the base and put up a settle radio beacon
>sneak up into the small wood house, there's a guy named Boomer in raider power armor
>with a fat man
>shoots it inside tiny house with the rest of his buddies
Relevant.
>>317523108
This literally just happened to me, same location and everything. Now I'm shitposting on /v/ instead of playing.
This is literally one of the most autistic things I've ever read on this board. Which says A LOT.
>>317521008
>murlocks
>>317523192
I passed by there when I was on my way to the haunted house place, whatever it is.
It didn't last long.
>>317523372
I just played ring around the rosie around a big rock until he exhausted his mini nukes. Can't say I didn't die more than once trying though.
>>317519465
Reminds of a Fist of the North Star OVA I watched once. Kenshiro meets a bunch of monks that are apparently guarding some great power that no one knows what is because they kill everyone that leaves, and it turns out to be a storage for nuclear weapons.
>>317523171
A giant communist hating robot held under the Pentagon fits into deus ex, not fallout.
Contrast the Master to liberty prime. One of these were obviously made for children raised on memes, and created by people who didn't understand the franchise they'd bought.
Can you guess which?
Speaking of the Master, he wouldn't ever appear in a Falloutscrolls game. He's too sophisticated and mature for Bethesda's target audience.
>>317520471
JOHN MADDEN
>>317523372
>Exploring
>See this raider controlled radio tower
>Dogmeat runs in
>Mushroom cloud
>This guy comes out with crippled arms
I feel sort of cheated out of a "boss fight" now
>>317518360
packratting and never using anything great unless its a boss fight conditioned me never to use them. then the game ends and I have 50.
>>317518360
The world is free from humanity propelling it into an ice age. There's still life everywhere you look, just not nearly as many humans. I don't see the problem?
>>317519717
>>317519941
Meanwhile you can nuke 2 entire nations in New Vegas.
What now obsididrones?
>>317523214
Funny thing is that if oyu post it somewhere alike Reddit, the cult of Bethesda would probably say "Didn't read, probably troll stuff xD"
>>317523372
>enemies in power armor have a lower chance to hit in VATS
Why?
>>317523554
>He used to be out adventuring until he took a robot to the knee xD
>>317521006
you're not escorting liberty prime, liberty prime is escorting you
>>317523660
This. People shit on Bethesda and forget Lonesome Road.
>>317523749
The weak points are harder to hit or some shit
I've sold both fat mans I've found so far. I would much rather charge someone with big jim and smack their shit.
>>317523660
And you get a suitably fallout narration if you actually launch the nukes. The player character voices disbelief about nuclear missiles.
The NPC who has them calls them 'America's voice.' He had to 'speak to history' to even be convinced that they existed.
It's not a casual nuke catapult that any random raider can pull out their ass.
>fags on /v/ pretending to be cultural expects on the subtle nuances of '50s america
*tips crumpled fedora*
>>317521658
>power armor left rusting in the middile of the street and in containers for 200 years
>city farthest away from nuke is more fucked up than one that was closer
they really don't care about logic anon
>>317523958
Good thing that Fallout doesn't take place in the 50s then hombre :^)
Can mini nukes be harvested for nuclear mats in FO4?
>>317523660
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Ulysses'_logs
The build-up to potentially nuking people in new Vegas.
It's not comparable to fat man launchers.
>>317523958
>fags on /v/ pretending to be cultural experts on the subtle nuances of alternate timeline 2070's america
>>317520202
This guy knows whats up.
>>317524145
AFAIK only the pre-seperated one in the same basement as the useless "Guide to Diamond City"
>>317523630
>boss fight
>only attack is nuking the shit out of you
>>317518360
>tfw the gun you've been slowly building is more powerful than a small nuclear blast
>>317523749
It seems like the bulkier an enemy is, the lower the chance
>Death Claw right in front of me
>MFW 48% chance to shoot it's stomach
>>317524295
Damn, that's where I got the idea.
>>317519109
Aw shit time to play as a paranoid hoarder
>>317524404
I just found this shit, kekd hard
>>317520623
Petroleum has plenty of uses other than fuel. China wouldn't just let the USA control the only supply left on Earth.
>>317524474
I have been playing every 3d fallout like that.
Oh hey guys what's going on in this thread.
>>317520202
>Not making it personal
>>317524364
Does the damage stat shown take the additional projectile into account? I'm sure my gauss rifle is fully upgraded, but the damage is sitting at around 380-odd.
>>317524748
What hell, did you get extremely drunk before taking him down?
>>317518360
Did you seriously get your view of the fission used as a weapon from a fucking video game? Like the lasting effects on the environment, or people in Japan didn't inform that opnion, or maybe any knowledge of the manhatten project, rather some of the shittiest fanfic tier game dialogue? You are a terrible person.
>>317522402
I accidentally the whole rad poisoning
>>317524848
Yeah I believe so, also I have 5 points into rifles, so there's that too. Once I grab Science 3 I should be able to boost it to 608.
Mirelurk Queen 1-shots
Is there any good way to make lots of money?
So far I have found that selling excess purified water makes a pretty penny but it's not that much a cap and the shops have not generated any revenue for me
>>317525126
player.additem 000000f 999999
>>317525126
Purified water farms, mutfruit farms, and really just making sure you have maximized bartering perks.
I usually pick up expensive items on bodies and sell them. Usually sitting at around 20,000 caps
>>317525126
pre-war money is worth a lot and is abundant. just make sure you're not turning it into cloth. sell drugs too
>>317523660
Except in New Vegas it has a massive impact on characters and is the main point to the Lonesome Road story that changes if you fire them or not.
In Fallout 3 your dad simply says he is disappointed in you for nuking a fucking town.
>>317525234
What button on the controller is that??
>>317522634
>I was walking alone minding my business
>When nuke hit me in the eye
>FLASH BANG ALAKAZAM
>>317518360
Do you even want to set the world on fire, liberal scum?
>>317525410
The "build a gaming computer" button.
Don't do that additem faggotry though.
>>317525279
>mutfruit farms
I think I have those but most of my food at my main base is gourds
>>317525476
I just want to start a flame in your heart, anon.
>>317519802
>barley shown anywhere in the game
Please read the story. ;_ ;
This explosion was the first thing that went wrong in the series
>>317525234
Proer tip, you can just write f if you want
>>317523554
the master recreated faithfully with modern graphics would be fucking horrifying
>>317525545
>tfw when I wasn't paying attention and dumped 3 levels into automatic weapons instead of pistols
>Fixed mistakes with console commands instead of having to restart the whole game or replay 8 missions
>thank you mr race
>>317523554
>One of these were obviously made for children raised on memes
What has the fucking world come to.
>>317523554
>A giant communist hating robot held under the Pentagon fits into deus ex, not fallout.
>Fits in Deus Ex
>>317523130
>It's been 200+ years. How have the computers not all broken down and become useless
>>317525591
Have you lost all ambition and worldly acclaim?
>>317519717
And in fallout 4 you see super mutants ALLAHU ACKBARing with them.
>>317522196
Virgil says they're immune to it, somehow.
>>317518360
Metal Gear games all carry such strong anti-war messages.
I especially love the Anti hero-worship themes the games have.
>>317518360
One problem.
Mini nukes weren't used to destroy the world in fallout.
MK-28 nukes were. Mini nukes were developed for use in anchorage.
>>317518360
Because there are no morals in the wasteland
>>317523554
Jesus christ he looks like every single shit in his life was just thrown all over the walls.
>>317524748
I died enough in that fight I literally popped every drug in my inventory and hit Q mid dialogue and just vats' his head off with a combat shotty.
Not very exciting but it got the job done.
>>317526407
I hated nukes even before playing MG, the trought of having something that can erase life to molecular level, in the hands of people who could just decide to drop one and end everything, it fucking terrifies me.
>fallout 1 and 2
There is only 1 nuke, nukes are seen to be a mysterious, powerful force
>fallout 3
Nukes everywhere, you can even get a gun that fires 8 nukes at once
>new vegas
Mini nukes exist, but are limited supply and never respawn.
>fallout 4
Haven't played
>>317526907
Mini nukes randomly available like any other weapon lying around.
Vendors sell ammo for it like nothing.
>>317526907
fallout 4 is worse
I have a fat man that fires 2 projectiles, upgraded to MIRV (which is an incorrect use of the acronym for all you fallout 3 faggots) so one (of the 30+ I've found laying around the game) splits into 8 mid air. They don't care about fallout. They haven't since they started development on 3.
i bet you didn't even nuke the ncr and legion
>>317526681
The tunnel leading to him is covered with the remains of all his failed experiments, and walking towards him actually hurts your stats, then drains your HP.
You need to wear a special piece of gear, or be the most physical combat god in the game, to even get to him.
>>317524138
Cute, the reddit user doesn't know that fallout is meant to be the 50's that never ended.
>>317525707
JOIN.
DIE!
JOIN.
DIE!
>>317527202
dude WHAT, that sounds sick? it splits up into 8 mid air WHat?
>>317527346
I wonder why psychic stuff was never really brought up again. The only other psionic thing that I know of is that one kid in New Vegas with that weird headpiece thing.
>>317518360
It's a video game, the fuck are you on about?
>>317527542
>sentient AI roams around
>Power armor is a thing
>Energy weapons found commonplace
The analogic aspect of 50s technologies have survived, that's what happened, time didn't magically froze in the 1950s.
>>317527674
You're what's wrong with fallout.
>>317527595
>TFW that female voice gave me an erection
>regular enemies deal so little damage i can basically face tank everything
>a raider comes out of nowhere with a missile launcher or a fatman and one shots me
i hate explosives
>>317527695
There were the guys in the Mariposa military base in Fallout 1 that were Psykers (the purple robed dudes), as well as the mutant that summons deathclaws in Mariposa in Fallout 2. And I guess the old lady at the start of Fallout 4 is a Psyker too.
>>317527941
>all power armor raiders uses a fucking fat man
goddamnit.
>>317527202
Does one of the mini-mini nukes do as much as a regular mini nuke? If I remember correctly putting on the MIRV mod drops the unupgraded damage of a fat man to 18 for me.
>>317527941
>carefully sneak up on raider/supermutant hideout
>wild dogs/molerats/fuck else out of nowhere
Fucking always
Also the only raider with a fatman that I met was on top of that church in quincy and he fell down like a retard trying to fight a vertibird
Thank fuck for bethesda AI
>tfw no one has the item code for the Airship Captain's hat
>tfw just want that bitching hat without having to go postal
>>317527542
Yes I'm sure we had laser weapons in the 50s.
Next you will tell me we had H&K CAWS and Pancor Jackhammers in the 50s too. After all, time stopped in the 50s even though Fallout 2 explicitly states that these weapons were made in the 1980s.
Fuck off.
>>317528052
The old lady isn't a psyker, Bethesda doesn't even know about psykers, they're just fucking bad at writing.
>>317527941
Fucking this
>Quick save
>Right as I do an enemy shoots a missile at me
>I instantly die
>Have to reload, spam tab, take every drug I have and sprint and jump away just to live with like 5 HP and with all broken limbs
Shit is cancer. Worse is when you wear power armor and a missile/fat man instantly destroys most of the pieces.
While I don't want to advocate making the game easier than it already is, I think explosive damage needs to be toned down. At the same time, up the damage of all weapons, so that enemy humanoids always die in 1-3 headshots based upon weapon, and you die in a few shots too.
>>317528274
>save
>kill him
>loot hat
>drop hat on ground
>console and click on the hat
>write down code
>player.additem code
>>317528372
~tgm
fucking retard
>>317528372
I hate to be stupid, but:
if you play on any difficulty harder than normal, you are increasing the damage enemies do artificially with a flat bonus and reducing your own damage by the same flat bonus.
>>317528442
I play on xbone
>Fighting normal raiders
>Their weapons do shit for damage, don't hurt at all
>Suddenly a higher level raider appears
>His pipe pistol 2 shots me
>It's just a pipe pistol with a bayonet on it.
>>317528372
Simply remove missle launchers and the Fat Man. Or leave the fat man and put 3 mini nukes in the game.
This isn't fucking borderlands. It's also not fucking fallout. Wasteland 2 is the best we're gonna get.
>>317528532
Then why the fuck do you want the item code since you can't even access the console?
You can't make anymore, so just use all the ones that are left and there.
>>317520202
>Walk into room with Nick
>Kellog comes out with his hands up wanting to talk
>Immediately begin blasting him in the face
Fallout's story is atrocious but at least you can interact with NPCs the way you want to, so fucking satisfying to just pump his stupid face full of lead rather than listen to his sob story and how you should forgive him
>>317528673
>play on console
>you can't access the console
am I being rused?
>>317528771
No you're just stupid.
>population of main base spikes from 11 to 19
holy crap
>>317522497
>I don't think a nuke launcher is out of place in the Fallout universe
Debatable. I can see a handheld nuclear device thanks to Fallout's general obsession with nukes prewar. I can see some american general going "OKAY, SO WHAT WE NEED ARE SMALL NUKES THAT CAN DESTROY REGIMENTS AND BUNKERS, BUT NOT OUR GUYS. EGGHEADS, GET ON IT"
>Or Liberty Prime
No, not even close. Not even a little. It maks no sense at all. Giant Robot's are not a 50's thing. That is more of an 80's or 90's idea of having a giant robot fight wars for you. Robots in the 50's are like Mr Handy's, where we thought robots would eventually do everything for us.
And even if you take it out of what generally fits in Fallout, Liberty Prime is so fucking stupid. The idea alone pisses me off, it sounds like some fan-fiction bullshit.
"SO THERE WILL BE A GIANT ROBOT UNDER THE PENTAGON AND HE HATES COMMUNISTS. WHAT IS THE POINT OF A GIANT ROBOT IN A WORLD DOMINATED BY NUCLEAR BOMBS? WHO CARES! HE HATES COMMUNISTS!"
>>317526907
Fallout 4 is OVERLY saturated with them. I have found 18 fatmans so far, and over 45 mini-nukes.
>>317528907
is this some sort of meta trolling?
I wish they were more powerful
I mean a mini nuke should be more than just a big explosion. You're destroying stuff at the cellular level, I'm expecting nuclear weapons to be both rarer and much, much more deadly.
Crysis did the nukes right imo, all you need is add a fuckton of radiation so if you were to pass by the area where you used the nuke youd die after a few seconds.
Also nukes are the main reason why WW3 didnt break out and probably won't.
>>317528994
literally Korra tier, aparently
>>317522196
high endurance
>>317525643
yeah I'm surprised that few people know you can completely miss out the zeroes
>>317524926
And that's supposed to be a bad thing?
Since then OP learned something. Sure, maybe that shows how OP is a faggot who doesn't read much, and maybe being an active participant in a video game makes it resonates more with that turbo faggot.
But in the end of the story, OP learn something new and the video game actually manage to deliver its story to its audience. No matter how you look at it, that is a good thing.
Learning anything from anywhere doesn't make anyone a terrible person.
>>317523958
>over 250 years in the future
>50s america
>People think Fatman launchers make no sense
Seriously? The game is set in the 50's. In the 50's, the world is obsessed with nukes. They put nuclear material IN FUCKING FACIAL CREAMS IN REAL LIFE. The alarm clocks have nuclear material in them. There are sodas named after nukes. Cars were nuclear powered. There is plenty of precedence to developing small nukes for use by infantry.
That doesn't mean that they should be as prevalent as they are, of course. The Fatman should be extremely rare, only used by a few enemies, and the ammo should be even rarer. Like coming across 10-12 in a whole play through.
Instead you find tons of fatmen and like 100 nukes.
>>317529521
>The game is set in the 50's.
No
>that feel when you hear a mininuke go off in the distance and dat flash goes off, and you just aren't sure if it's a mininuke or if this time the entire commonwealth is going to be reduced to smoldering ash
>>317529521
>The game is set in the 50's
Stopped reading there
>>317528994
>he's a portable nuke launcher
>his nuke caches is literally just open on his back
>a stray bullet could set it off
>he's being hit with missiles and lasers
Liberty Prime is fucking awful. It makes no sense, no matter how you look at it. It would be more efficient to coat their vertibirds in whatever magical alloy allows Prime to shrug off hits like he does
>>317529521
The creation and storage of the mininukes were in the commonwealth, that's why there are so many of them
>>317529585
>>317529623
A 50's version of the future. You knew exactly what I meant.
The game is literally 'What if the cold war never ended and America was like it was post ww2 forever'
>>317529118
>playing on console
Console: Xbone PS4
>can't access the console
developer tool accesed with the ~ key used to enter text commands for debugging/testing
See not trolling, you're just really stupid.
>>317529521
>set in the 50's
No it's not. The game makes 50's science fiction into reality, in the future
>>317528771
The in-game console on PC is something different than playing on a console. You have to hit I believe the ~ key to open up the dialogue box thing to input you commands, which is impossible on Xbone or PS4, but could possibly be enabled later in the future with the help of mods.
>>317529585
>>317529623
>Being retarded
It's like the 50's imagined the future. Have you even played fallout before?
can you shoot them if they're coming at you in vats?
Are there any like, hard places in the game? I've been mostly doing walky-talky quests recently and I feel like just clearing out some high-level, legendary infested dungeon
>>317520202
>TFW kellog survived a mini-nuke
>>317526464
>were
>>317529643
See this is what is so hilarious to me. None of you have any fleeting concept of how a fission bomb works. You don't "set off a bomb" by bouncing it off of something.
You know the two dropped on Japan never touched the ground right? Jesus what do schools even do?
It's a video game. Calm down there.
>>317529778
>>317529883
>being retarded
>calling other people retarded
I saw a Judge Dredd comic and a girl wearing leg warmers the other day, the current year is now 1984.
>>317529905
The Glowing Sea is the most difficult area in the game, and it's still a cake walk.
There are no super hard, special places like the Quarry or Deathclaw breeding grounds in New Vegas.
Just bullshit.
>>317524364
Where do you get that?
>>317518360
>legendary fat man weapon
>shoots 2 projectiles at once
>add the experimental mirv mod that splits each nuke into 6 nukes
>2 projectiles at once still applies
>mfw i shoot 12 nukes for every shot fired
>>317523554
>fits into deus ex but not fallout
Did we play the same game?
>>317530063
I accidentally typed 'in the 50s' instead of 'in a future version of the 50s'
My point still stands, arguing over semantics is pointless.
>>317529778
Except no. Even in FO1 and FO2 military technology progressed and advanced similarly to ours. Automatic shotguns developed in the 80s are explicitly mentioned and present.
I'll give you a hint: the Great War nukes weren't used in bombers like in WW2. They were on nuclear ICBMs. There is a good reason the Great War only lasted a few hours.
The major technological divergence in the Fallout universe was that they never developed microchips and other miniaturization technologies. That is why the Platinum Chip in New Vegas was such a huge deal; it was the beginning of microchip technology and miniaturization brought forth by House.
>>317530216
I'm just fucking with you anywayfaggot
>>317528372
>At the same time, up the damage of all weapons, so that enemy humanoids always die in 1-3 headshots based upon weapon, and you die in a few shots too.
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/333/?
>>317530085
>The Glowing Sea is the most difficult area in the game, and it's still a cake walk.
That's probably because the fauna are easy as shit to kill.
I'm more looking for shooty dudes. Are there any Gunner strongholds or anything?
>>317520202
>Was low on ammo and stims from exploring and didn't think Kellog would be too tough
>Nick's AI was not cooperating at all
>Kept getting killed over and over, either because I would get hung up on the geometry or he would throw a grenade and I could not get out of the way fast enough because of said geometry.
>Got him down to half health but ran out of good ammo.
>Tried a good 5-6 more times.
>Fuck it.
>Pulls out fatman and oneshot him.
Fuck Kellog.
>>317528994
That, and man portable nuclear launchers are a real thing deployed (but obviously never used) in the 50s. It doesn't seem so silly that if the 50s mindset remained into the future that a handheld version would be looked into at some point.
A giant robot is a bit of a much bigger leap, seems doable but the way it was done in liberty prime is just truly memetastic and retarded.
I just ran into a guy named Art and his synth, I passed a speech check and the dude kneeling said he was a synth. What happens if I kill the real guy and let the synth go?
>>317530264
The major difference was a nuclear renaissance that superseded oil as humanities primary energy source, hence its prevalence in everyday culture. Which adds another layer of assfucking retardedness to fallout "gas generators the game" 4.
>tfw I don't even consider myself a "fallout fan" and I know more about it than bethesda because I played 1 and 2 when I was younger
>>317530264
The idea for nuclear ICMBs was around before WW2 ended. I remember there was some talk of trying to strap nuclear bombs to the V2 rockets Germany was using. Those being developed are not out of the question.
And it's less about what technology is present, but instead how it is applied. They have advanced robotics that are used to make what are essentially robotic maids and butlers, because that was an idea of the 50's, robots taking care of everything. Nuclear power is used in cars and everything else (though they also had the justification of fuel running out), because Nuclear power was seen as the future in the 50's.
The culture as well is incredibly similar to 50's america. The language used, the red scare, the patriotism. It's definitely 50's america, in the future.
Obviously, as human beings, we're not going to be able to know what would happen if America kept on it's path in the 50's, but they've tried to emulate some of it.
>>317530710
Literally no difference
>>317528994
>it doesn't make sense this would be in the 50s
It's a good thing the bombs fell over a hundred years after the 50s ended then.
How do you increase energy weapon damage? I've got like 900 energy cells because my combat rifle beats the shit out of any laser weapons.
>>317530719
>Which adds another layer of assfucking retardedness to fallout "gas generators the game" 4.
Not to mention the red gas cans that are scattered all over the place.
>>317530350
I had a bit of a struggle, I was some way below level 20 though.
Ghouls are nothing but the vast amount of scorpions and deathclaws hit me pretty hard.
>>317530802
Thanks Bethesda.
>>317523554
>tfw no total conversion for New Vegas featuring a properly animated Master
I'd pay real cashmoneys for that, if only to see all the goop pulsating and eyes blinking
>>317530637
They weren't man portable, and it wasn't some retarded catapult that shot it 20 yards. A tactical nuke is still going to have a massive blast radius, the mini nukes in 3/4 are smaller than a 250 conventional bomb, which were commonly dropped from fighters during WW2.
I'm assuming you're talking about the Davey Crocket system, which wasn't somethign one guy would carry around, and he didn't launch it from his shoulder. It was a self propelled unguided rocket delivery system. Don't try to compare things to reality if you don't want to actually do it, or if you're an idiot and lack the knowledge.
>>317518360
I never use the Fatman, I just picked them up and break them for parts and store the nukes. Better in my heavily guarded compound that in the hands of raiders
>>317530898
Speaking of ghouls, why are there so many feral ghouls in FO4? It feels more like a fucking zombie apocalypse.
>>317530851
I am pretty sure Energy weapons are now just classified under whatever they are.
Laser pistols are considered handguns
Laser rifles are considered rifles
Gattling Laser is considered a heavy weapon.
It's bullshit and stupid. They should have replaced that radiation damage perk in Intelligence with an energy weapon one. Why fucking combine Energy weapons into traditional firearms?
>>317530350
yeah there's a prison that the Gunners took over, if you just follow the railway south you'll see it
>>317530710
i just broke their legs and took off
>Playing a videogame where you murder a ton of shit
>But I have have an ethical problem with this one weapon because it's too murdery
>Also the opinion comes from playing Metal fucking Gear, when the horrors of war are told better in many other places
The fuck
>>317530891
>>317530719
Gas was still a thing, it was just the cheap alternative to clean burning...fissile materials.
Note that line in the "he's a man" song which goes "has a car that runs out of gas"
Gas was for poor people in the fallout world pre-war.
If everyone could have a nuclear car and nuclear generator then the resource wars wouldn't have happened.
Pay attention to the lore and whats going on around you people.
(Ba dump ba da)
ANYTHING GOOOOOEEEESSSS
>>317531053
>supermutants everywhere for no reason
>mirelurks in tiny ponds next to settlements that should have cleared them out
>ghouls running around nowhere near sources of rads
>gunner checkpoints in the wilderness nowhere near useful targets
At least robots are usually placed in believable positions.
>>317518360
Where in real life are you located for there to be nukes sitting around?
Or, OP, are you too autistic to remember that youre playing a fucking videogame.
>>317519717
>and the megaton bomb while HACKIN AND WHACKIN AND SMACKIN is playing in the fucking background
>>317531053
that's probably exactly why. Zombies are hip, don't you know?
They're tragically boring enemies in every game, especially this one. I got a pistol that uses 50% AP, so I just switch to that and VATS them to death.
The same reason there are fucktons of supermutants.
The same reason there are about 20 time more raiders than there are actual settlements and normal people.
Because Bethesda.
>>317531070
Wait what? Is there not a "guns" perk anymore, Just shit for long guns and pistols?
>>317530637
Real life fatman equivalents aren't nuclear catapults with a 50 meter range.
Bethesda didn't know what they were fucking doing, and it shows.
>>317531070
>Bullshit and stupid
>Bethesda
Pick two
My experience with mini nukes:
>pick up Fat Man and a couple mini nukes
>give to MacCready to hold for me since I'm not going to be using it unless something big shows up (which didn't ever happen in my playthrough)
>continue on with my day after handing over the launcher and mini nukes
>a couple rooms into the building later, in combat
>die instantly, no fucking reason that I can discern
>for some reason MacCready decided to equip and fire the fucking thing directly into the small of my back
I abhor them, but only because companion "AI" in Fallout 4 is basically nonexistent.
>>317531216
Fallout 1 explicitly says fossil fuels began to deplete, exacerbating tensions in 2050, so yes gas was a thing.
>>317531384
What is wrong with the idea of a fatman?
I don't understand, what are your actual concerns?
>>317529778
>A 50's version of the future.
Literally no. The only difference was that cilicon board technology was never invented so all the technology still uses vacuum tubes and shit. However, they had a far greater understanding of nuclear science so technology still progressed, just differently.
It's not the 50s but future, electronics just didn't advance as much since the 50s and the technology was the only thing that survived the two centuries.
>>317531237
best song
>>317531367
There are perks for semi-automatic rifles, semi-automatic pistols, automatic weapons, and heavy weapons.
>>317531470
>give hancock my stealthboys to hold onto
>he uses two while wearing power armour and fighting ghouls
>>317531367
Perk for fully auto weapons, perk for all the other rifles, perk for heavy guns, perk for pistols
Not sure if energy weapons use their seperate perk because I haven't been using them much
>>317525707
>implying the puppet doesn't make it fucking horrifying
>>317531545
>Its not 50s, but the future
Yes it fucking is. Of course they're technologically advanced, it was fucking 120 years since the 50's.
Culturally the game is still VERY, VERY 50's.
>>317531041
Fair enough, I guess I used a pretty loose definition. When I said "man portable" I meant something like a vickers gun, something that could be deployed and used by a team of dudes in the field, not some big ass towed thing or launched from a fixed structure.
It just doesnt seem a stretch from that, if the mindset is the same, to turn it into a nuclear PIAT 100 years down the line
>>317531487
You can't have a fission reaction that results in a tiny, contained detonation. It's impossible.
>>317531559
>>317531579
Jesus, I was actually gonna pick this game up too. That sounds like garbage.
>>317518360
>serious ethical problem
>with things in a video game
>>317531481
Not to mention people seem to forget the final battle in fallout 2 was on a fucking oil rig.
>huge cool looking asylum
>expect spooky atmospheric exploring
>the related quest is rushing through it fighting raiders
Why are Bethesda so completely incompetent and awful?
>>317531686
That is your concern? That it makes no sense?
What about the fucking idea that the world was devastated by nuclear weapons, and that only ~150 years after that humanity was able to start to rebuild? Or nukes turning people into zombies that are immortal? Or bottlecaps being used as currency? Or power armor? Or water chips? Or GECKOs? Or half the other shit in the game?
99% of the shit in Fallout is impossible. The whole premise is impossible to begin with.
>>317518360
despite all the fantastical representations of nuclear apocalypse, nukes are scary when you read about them, even the low yield ones.
>>317518360
Just wait until you get this beauty.
Wildlife & mutants laugh at it.
But it melts humans into their constituent parts with incredible ease.
What could be more proper in a nuclear wasteland than using radiation as a chillingly lethal way to kill your fellow man?
>>317531487
>They're just hanging around the wasteland for any dumbass to find 210 years after the nukes fell, sometimes not even in military locations.
>They exist, and people just go around using them for no reason.
>>317519370
Overlords use tri-beam laser rifles, but I get what you're saying. I recall using the terrible shotgun a lot, and even with a sneak attack, point blank, pointed in the general direction of the head, I don't think it ever took off more than half their health. It's funny you mention behemoths though because I think by max level overlords end up with more health than behemoths.
>>317529517
2050's you mongloid
>>317531216
How the hell was gas for poor people pre-war? It was ridiculously expensive because the world was running out of petroleum.
>>317518635
>arthas was a neckbeard
wasn't he megachad?
>>317531487
The fallout universe fears nukes, and for good reason. They wouldn't employ shoulder firing catapults to nuke each other's raider settlement.
Even if they had the technology, it would be exclusive to forces like the master's army, the brotherhood, and the enclave, and they wouldn't want to use it, either. See the master's views on using the nuke he actually does have.
It's Bethesda being stupid.
>fallout is about nukes and a 'what if' future, as it would have happened if the 50s were different.
>so it's 50s music forever, 50s propaganda, communists, nukes, and every game has to be about water and bottlecaps.
>forever.
Bethesda are retarded, and you're retarded too, anon. Go fuck yourself.
>>317531686
Thanks anon, I was super concerned with the scientific validity of shit that happens in fallout.
>>317526137
>It's been 200 years, how has the supermarket not been looted and completely picked clean?
>>317531871
Because they keep getting truckloads of money despite being incompetent and awful. Why improve or change at all if you're getting rich as fuck?
>>317531732
If you liked fallout 3 its impossible not to like this onewhich puts me in a bit of an awkward position since I fucking hated fallout 3 but I like this one
Seriously though bethesda abandoning their stupid attempts to make an RPG are for the best, skills in fo3 were basically just the same as the perks, could max them all out easily and speech was still random chance you could save scum
The only difference now is that there isn't a lot of dialogue (which lets be fucking real, always sucks in bethesda game since their writing is illiterate vietcong tier), its basically the same amount you'd get in a standard story driven shooter, but you get to pick some meaningless replies, and the gunplay is vastly improved to their previous showing
Imo just pirate it, I put 30 hours into it and I'm not even ashamed because they cut so many corners
>>317531216
>I'm gonna make a post on 4chan.
>I'm gonna post about shit I don't know.
>give me a second, I'll fuck it up even harder than anyone could even imagine.
Look up the resource war.
>>317531946
>find a legendary raider
>he has a special one of these that does extra damage to humans
>my fucking radiation levels when
god damn that was annoying.
>>317518360
Do you have an ethical problem with flamethrowers too? Or is just because you fear the big bad nuclear boogie man?
>>317528746
The first time shaun walks into the room you can just shoot him before he starts to talk too
>>317530139
crashed plane in the northern area of the map
master lock
>>317531998
I mean gas cars were low quality shit compared to american nuclear powered cars.
Same with generators.
Obviously it was expensive, it's expensive now too, I was talking relatively, and frankly if I were to make a nuclear-powered car right now it would make a gas powered car look cheap by comparison.
>>317531871
They did better with the Witchcraft museum
>>317531949
>They're just hanging around the wasteland for any dumbass to find 210 years after the nukes fell, sometimes not even in military locations.
That has nothing to do with the concept of the fatman. That is poor implementation, which I will definitely give to you. The ammo for them is far, far too common.
>They exist, and people just go around using them for no reason.
People using weapons is 'no reason'? They're a devastating explosive device guaranteed to kill whatever the fuck is in your way. Makes sense to use it to me.
>>317532049
>The fallout universe fears nukes, and for good reason. They wouldn't employ shoulder firing catapults to nuke each other's raider settlement.
First of all:
1. The Fatman was a PREWAR INVENTION.
2. Even if a majority of people fear nukes, that doesn't mean some batshit insane Raider high off his ass on Jet won't use it to blow up his enemy.
3. I AGREE that they ammo is too numerous. The fatman should definitely be rare, and the ammo even rarer. Bethesda implementing the idea poorly has nothing to do with the idea being good or not. The fatman is a decent idea that fits in with the fallout universe, but there is too much ammo everywhere for it.
>>317532194
Is the flamer any good?
I was considering going for a heavy weapons run.
>>317532301
>it's expensive now too
Gas is under $2/gal where I live. I wouldn't call that expensive.
>>317532049
Bethesda is retarded, and fallout 3 sucks. The fatman still fits within the idea and setting of Fallout.
>>317532304
I change my mind. I agree with you. I like the rareness of the fat man/mini nukes in F:NV.
>>317521658
>Why was the bomb in Megaton a fatman style bomb?
50s-inspired aesthetic.
>And why does it have a logo on it that looks sorta like the Vault-tec logo?
Coincidental resemblance?
>Did Beth forget that ICBMs were used in the Great War?
No, there was a silo in that base in the NW of the Capitol Wasteland. Same one with the T-51b. When you try to launch, it fails.
Normally I wouldn't take this as an indication of faulty tech, but when robots have gone 200 years without maintenance and still work, and nukes still work after the same period of time, it calls into question the reliability of ICBM in the Fallout universe.
Plus, the US had bomber superiority in the 50s, which combined with the "the bomber will always get through" mentality meant that the USAF didn't end up focusing on ICBMs until the 60s (first operational US ICBM became operational in '58).
Combine that with the accuracy problems early ICBMs had, and that computers in the Fallout universe hardly evermaybe neverused IC chipswhich because of their cost didn't catch on until NASA used them to save precious space in Apollo capsules, meaning that the size and weight of transistor tech is restrained by the "tyranny of numbers".
>And that the Great War didn't happen in the goddamn 50s?
Again, inspired by them.
>Did they seriously try and have a fucking Chinese bomber cross the entire continental US to manually deliver a fucking antique nuclear weapon that is over 100 years outdated by that point?
As I said, bombers were still the prime means of delivery because of shitty ICBM tech. And the PRC was behind the US in tech, so they might not even have had ICBMs that could launch in any significant numbers.
>And the bomb doesn't even explode but still produces a fucking massive crater?
I guess it dropped from really high up and was made from adamantium so when it hit it said "No ground, you move", but the detonator was fucked.
Legit issue there.
>>317532304
The fatman wasn't a prewar invention, anon. It's a Bethesda invention, which makes it fanfiction tier.
Same with liberty prime.
Go away, you fucking disgusting baka.
>real life
>people scared of nuclear stuff because of Chernobyl, Japan, etc
>nuclear bombs carried by small planes are still a thing
>nuclear howitzers are still a thing
>miniaturized nukes are still a thing
>civilian available dirty bombs still a thing
>someone even managed to build a backyard nuclear powerplant from nuclear components ripped out of modern electronics
>still can't grasp that someone would build a slingshot for mini nukes in a world where nuclear power superseded fucking oil
>>317532191
With the perfect set of perks & mods it can do 440 damage.
Otherwise you'll be limited to *just* 340.
For comparison, the bugged-out multi-effect double-stacking AOE weapons do 170-280 damage.
Bottlecap mines are 300.
You can get other weapons which are on-par, but it's tough to do.
>>317532156
I agree entirely with this. It's honestly not that bad of an installment. The writing is sub pat but it's fucking Bethesda what do you expect. Just about everything is a step up from fallout 3 and the gunplay is actually fun. If you go into expecting something like new Vegas you're bother retarded and setting yourself up for disappointment. The lore isn't even raped that heavily out of a few minor points. Fucking up jet is bad, but whining about a giant robot in a futuristic, jingoistic, cartoony future is just nitpicking.
I would love if obsidian made a new game with the current mechanics.
>>317528052
>>317528342
The father of the Cabot family is a 400 year old psycer thanks to aliens
>>317532512
Yeah, it was pretty good in New Vegas. I think I got like 4 or 5 shots across my whole playthrough.
Of course Bethseda fucked it up. Even their good ideas are generally flawed.
>>317532385
The one I tried had the highest damage upgrade but super shit range, didn't bother changing it because muh conventional warfare
Could potentially be decent in taking out ghouls with higher range
>>317532385
Heavy weapons are good, but the flamer itself isnt that great past lvl 40 or so. Works best against humans.
The gatling laser and missile launcher are fucking top-tier though.
>>317518360
Stop posting dumb shit please.
>>317532778
Missile launchers are heavy weapons?
I assumed they were explosives.
>>317529905
That giant boat place over at the coast with all those raiders gave me a pretty good andfunfight. Plus i got a fat man and a kickass new sniper rifle.
>>317523660
>Nuked BOTH the NCR and Legion
>Call the police I don't give a fuck
I was vilified with both of them anyway so I didn't care.
>>317532592
>from nuclear components ripped out of modern electronics
Barely even, fire alarms, they contain a tiny bit of radium or americium.
I wouldn't really call it "modern" and it's really not allowed anymore.
>>317532531
The Great War lasted several hours at most. None of your bomber fielded nukes check out. Plus we witness first hand missile delivery of nuclear weapons in Lonesome Road.
Not to mention the logistics issues involved with flying a Chinese bomber across the entire Pacific Ocean plus the entire continental United States during a time when fuel was becoming hideously scarce.
>>317528342
I very nearly hit the off button when she said "destiny"
god damn I almost wish I had
>>317532680
Well for me it helps that I went in with zero expectations since I haven't liked a bethesda game since oblivion.
Although I could imagine why people who are anal about Fallout lore could potentially hate this, but if you aren't its just a open world-lite rpg with a world that is basically a theme park, and its pretty alright for what it is
Fucking hate the people that claim its a masterpiece though
>>317532049
>They wouldn't employ shoulder firing catapults to nuke each other's raider settlement.
They? They who? It's not a world where everyone has a nuke and needs to worry about MAD. All it takes is one dude to say "fuck this general area" and suddenly the Fat Man exists.
>>317532303
that shit was spooky
I knew it was gonna be a deathclaw but when I walked into that mannequin filled room I still got spooked
i really fucking hate that real unique weapons don't exist anymore with a few exceptions and are instead just regular legendaries with a fancy name. makes exploration immensely less fun than in previous games
>>317533023
Destiny.
Just like the destiny to die for no reason in the water purifier in FO3.
Fucking Bethesda hack writers.
>>317532536
>DONT RUIN MY CANNON
Its not a fucking religion you dumb fucking cunt its god damn ENTERTAINMENT which means they're going to do whatever they want to FUCKING ENTERTAIN YOU YOU MOUTHBREATHING PILE OF DOG DIARRHEA
>>317524748
>>317526781
What the fuck, did you guys ran straight from the vault to fight him? Even with only the exp you get for the main missions before fighting and the things you have to kill you had to lvl a few times, how the fuck did you find that fight hard? And how the fuck can you be so low lvl to fight him with a skull?
>>317532864
They are both i think. I know for sure heavy weapons affects the missile launcher and fat man.
>>317533167
>which means they're going to do whatever they want to FUCKING ENTERTAIN YOU
They're fucking that one up handily. None of the breaks in cannon were for the better, every single one has been superfluous, lazy garbage.
>>317533167
It's spelt canon you fucking retard.
>>317532684
They never mentioned the word though, because they don't know about it. They don't consult the source material. You're talking about the company that took Fallout 1 & 2 looked at the writing and humor and said, AND I QUOTE, "violence is funny! Lets all just own up to it! violence done well is fucking hilarious. it's like itchy and scratchy or jackass, now thats funny!".
>>317523554
>comical the character fits into deus ex
have you ever played a deus ex game other than malkavian mod
>>317532536
Obsidiots half the time
>bloo bloo bloo why is there no reconstruction of society and progress being made in fo3
Obsidiots the other half the time
>bloo bloo bloo what do you mean wastland savages managed to make a rudimentary catapult
>>317519109
Can you store things in vault 111 without the containers resetting?
Post weapons
>>317533278
>mfw that naming scheme
>>317533167
Just walk away from the computer youll be okay
shh...
>>317533362
You just have shit taste, deep down you know this to be true.
>boot up the game
>ambushed by two Yao Guai
>2 regular bloatflies, 1 legendary glowing bloatfly
>1 Mr. Gusty
>1 Assaultron
Oh jesus fucking christ do I wish I had my fatman with me.
>>317533469
All i need is a Black Hand paint job for my power armor.
>>317531871
this quest did not feel like fallout at all
what the fuck were they doing?
>>317533556
>>317531070
That fucking sucks since everything has such high energy resistance. My righteous authority does 108 energy damage but takes multiple shots to kill something that my 90 damage combat rifle would kill in one hit.
>>317518360
I just sell them. They're good money.
>>317533556
>getting rushed by 3 festering bloatflies and 1 legendary glowing bloatfly on survival
that was literally more difficult than any other encounter in the entire game
>>317526907
>>fallout 3
>Nukes everywhere, you can even get a gun that fires 8 nukes at once
Just looked it up. 98 you can get, counting DLCs. Plus vendors stocking them.
MIRV was still retarded.
>>new vegas
>Mini nukes exist, but are limited supply and never respawn.
True, only 14 in the base game, vs 80 in vanilla 3.
However, there are multiple Boomers who get a new mini-nuke in their inventories every 72 hours. Stocked by some vendors. GRA DLC makes them even more commonly stocked, and adds even more powerful variants.
NV didn't do much better if you think about it. Especially considering how nerfed the Fat Man was. I didn't even bother using it in NV, while in 3 it was used sparingly and with great joy.
>>317533757
But anon, that means someone ELSE will get to use them.
The only correct course of action for OP is to hoard them all.
>>317533514
Riiiight.
I never said what I like or dislike anon, I was just pointing out the hipocracy of the dumb shit you're spewing.
>>317518360
>lvl 7
>roaming around with cocksword
>suddenly high perception locks onto 3 muties and raider scum duking it out
>stay chill in the bush,GO cockword GO
>boomer,what the fuck does that mean m8
>muties win,ofcourse they search the bodies
>decide to snipe till i heard that sweet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObUd01Qz9sw
GG quick load GG
>>317525768
Yes, thank your crutch because you were too stoned to realize you were dumping the wrong stat and now need mr daddy to hold your hand and fix it for you.
Pay attention fag
>>317531470
>sneaking in stealth
>spot a group of super mutants off in the distance
>fire a suppressed sniper shot at them and sneak away
>nick runs right into the middle of the group and starts shooting everything in sight
this is why i travel alone now
>>317533658
That would be quite sweet anon, quite.
Kane approves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya0ZIAYOIBc
every death so far involved mininukes bottlecap mines or rockets
>>317531070
they also split it again with any small gun thats automatic
so its pistols, rifles, and automatics
>>317530326
The annoying this is that really, just turning the incoming-outgoing damage both to 2x or 3x doesn't really do the job.
>Encounter Raider Scavver
>They're doing ~40% of your health per shot with a barely upgraded 10mm, ~20% if in power armour
>You're doing 10% of their health with your own fully upgraded double tap rapehouse 10mm with fifty thousand attachments that fires death instead of bullets.
I'd say it should be 2x incoming damage, 3-4x outgoing damage if you wanted to make it like Master Stalker or Ranger Metro.
>>317531641
There is no fucking 50s culture, there's no culture. All the clothes are whatever pieces of leather and cloth people had lying around to sew together. All the food is whatever people could manage to get. All the architecture is nonexistent because the buildings are piles of rubble. Nobody uses the nomenclature of 50s America, just 2015 middle American accents. Two hundred years of life either in an irradiated wasteland or a fallout shelter, and you think fucking zut suits will still be popular?
>>317532057
>>317531905
The entire concept is based around the awesome power of a nuclear reaction, how it destroyed the way of life of the entire planet because of it's incredible destructive capability.
watering that down into a little firework cause it's quirky is exactly why bethesda will never make a good fallout game, and obsidion has to work with the sloppy leftovers so no hope there either. You idiots love whatever they feed you though so I understand your confusion.
>>317533453
However many shotgun shells I'm carrying as fast as I can pull the trigger.
>>317527202
>MIRV (which is an incorrect use of the acronym for all you fallout 3 faggots)
What makes it incorrect?
>>317533453
>yfw there are people in this very thread who prefer the Bull barrel over the Standard .44 barrel
>>317534262
Huh, did they detect you? Dogmeat's always stuck to me so long as I was sneaking and sub-danger.
>>317533809
There's zero vendors who sell mini nukes in vanilla new Vegas.
Having GRA installed makes the gun runners robot sell special GRA mini nukes, which can only be fired from the GRA fatman once it's been upgraded, and the GRA unique fatman, and none of it's stored until you hit like level 20.
It's a big deal when you find two mini nukes in the deathclaw infested quarry. In fallout 3, finding stockpiles of 5+ mini nukes is routine.
>>317534913
no, i was still in caution, at least until nick started shooting
they probably detected him, started shooting at him, and then since they started swarming toward me detected me at that point
>>317534572
>Because you think an idea from a flawed game is decent, it means you love Bethesda
Sure thing, buddy.
>>317534841
>Multiple
so far so good
>Independently targetable
Uh oh
>Reentry
they never go higher than 100ft let alone into a different level of the atmosphere
>Vehicle
ok
2/4 50% failing grade.
>>317534841
they never leave orbit
theres no reentry
>>317531216
The Great War was because they were RUNNING OUT of petroleum and shit to make gas- it would be RIDICULOUSLY expensive
Also "It's A Man" is a real fucking song from the 50s and has NOTHING to do with Fallout you idiot
>>317529643
>Nukes blow up if you shoot them
Nukes don't use dynamite as the trigger mechanism. They're made in a way that physical trauma doesn't detonate them, unless they use a groundburst fuse, and those are insensitive enough that not much short of hitting the ground at terminal velocity will trigger the fuse. Not to mention that nukes aren't armed until the last possible second. In fact, shooting explosives in general won't blow them up unless they're intended to do so or the explosive is super volatile, like dynamite.
Nukes and conventional explosives aren't like your red barrels anon.
>>317534834
>Never-ending breach-loaded firearm
That's fucking retarded.
>>317535204
orbit ≠atmosphere man, c'mon
>>317535113
yeah makes sense.
>>317535286
>that's retarded
>bethesda
We already went over this, pick two.
>>317531216
Well the irony being that the invention of microfusion cells aolved the worlds energt crysis but by that time it was too late and the war had started.
>>317535184
How do they even do that anyway?
That's fucking concrete.
>>317531905
>>317532057
>Suspension of disbelief is a liner tier list
You god damn faggots in every god damn thread are a blight on fiction as a whole, please stop enjoying the same entertainment as I do.
>>317534571
>actually arguing that there is no 50's influence in this game
Not that guy, but are we playing the same game
look at the car designs, look at the robots, turn on the radio, the magazine covers, the computer systems
Maybe Im not understanding something here, but how did you even come to this conclusion?
>yfw you hear the ticking sound
>Try raiding a camp with a boomer inside at level 4
>>317535619
The shape and velocity of the projectile.
>>317534536
I'm using that mod and everything dies in one hit from my rifle. Upping the damage even more would just be pathetic.
Wait for the CK to get a real damage mod.
>>317531641
But that's wrong, see, that's what Bethesda got all wrong about Fallout, thinking it was some quirky 50s sci-fi post-apocalyptic game, they completely misunderstood the vacuum tube technology, they completely missed that nations got obsessed over oil that they spent all their resources fighting over it and not really worried about improving anything else, they also missed that nuclear energy only started being used prominently once it was too late to stop the Great War.
>>317524364
I love the Guass Rifle but it looks fucking ridiculous when fully upgraded; it's as long as your character is tall.
>>317535571
Not quite.
The US just didn't share the tech, so everywhere else (esp. CHINA) was still falling down the resource-crisis hole.
Wars did what wars do.
>>317535798
ITS CONCRETE
don't give me that 'fabulous magic' answer
>>317535882
all the guns are just ridiculously massive. god i fucking hate the designs in this game
>>317535882
That's why you only use it during your sojourns in power armor.
>>317536208
It's not made out of Dragonforce so why would it be invincible?
>>317532385
The flamer is good only because all its upgrades can be done with no perks, which isn't much of a bonus but it's something. Maybe a legendary variant could be god tier, the one that cripples legs would be neat, if you can even get that on flamers.
>>317536295
I kinda wish the Anti-Material Rifle made a comeback since that tiny .50 Sniper is tiny.
>>317536208
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Diameter_Bomb
>not using all the tools at your disposal to complete jobs
Fuck deathclaws. In NV I didn't have it at the time, but I still dragged along a missile launcher with 50+ missiles using the crate trick to clear out the quarry and Dead Wind Cavern at a low level. Then when I got it, all mini nukes are reserved for swarming groups of deathclaws because fuck those guys.
>>317536208
Exactly, it's concrete.
Concrete isn't some impregnable wall, it's fucking concrete. Are you dumb?
>>317536378
I wonder what would happen if you crashed a car made out of Dragonforce into a wall made of Dragonforce.
>>317536378
It's 10 feet of concrete.
Probably fancy military-grade hardened rebar shit.
How the fuck does the missile just punch through it?
>fighting super mutants
>hear strange tick tick noise
>look to my left
>super mutants holding a nuke coming my way
>tfw melee character
>>317536617
>woow how didn't armor piercing bullet get through my armor
>>317536617
I'd tell you to read a book but you can't even read a wiki page.
>>317535697
But you're seeing it the wrong way, the game doesn't have a 50s influence, the 50s culture is a result of the lack of research into smaller components and just a complete focus on warfare technology. It's just a consequence, not the driving force of the game, like Bethesda seems to think.
>>317536446
The Anti Material Rifle was .50 too, its just that bethesda sucks
>>317518360
How much of a pussy can you be?
>>317535184
>50%
>Not a pass
Kek.
>>317533469
Take this webm
>>317536617
>there's no way what's essentially a titanium arrow moving at a billion kilometers an hour could cut through concrete.
>concrete is, after all, the strongest metal known to man.
>>317536815
Wiki page doesn't explain shit nigger
>>317535751
>Fast travel somewhere
>Suicider beeping starts
>The loading screen hasn't even gone away yet
>>317528554
I've been playing Wasteland 2 recently, and I have to say, that game has more than its fair share of problems too. Thematically and in writing terms it's lightyears ahead of Bethesda, but Unity is an ungodly shitty engine, you can lose the fucking game at the character creation screen, combat is astoundingly unbalanced (initiative, or whatever it called it, is the god stat, have that high and you win, since you can get multiple turns per enemy turn) and reported % chances are total fucking lies. Every single fight there are multiple "2% chance" weapon jams.
I've also run into a few weird bugs, like suddenly being unable to move the camera and the entire ground turning into a disco multicoloured square floor. And the UI is ugly.
Pretty much my whole time with the game has been okay but made me wish I was just playing Fallout Tactics instead.
>>317536974
>Role playing
>>317536669
Try running past him?
>>317536295
That's why I like the Deliverer
>>317537134
I didn't say it was amazing. I literally said it's the best we're gonna get.
>>317532304
>1. The Fatman was a PREWAR INVENTION.
not until bethseda took the helm
>>317536669
That is what companions are for
They're invincible so who cares?
Also suicide mutants seem really out of place to me. Also they're laughably weak and ususally end up destroying all of their friends if you shoot quick enough. Why do they exist?
>>317537065
If you want us to explain how things can go through other hard things then we're going to need a lot of wiki pages.
>>317537312
Yeah. I just wish it was better.
>tfw Courser Armour and Airship Captain's hat
>tfw almost look like a Brotherhood SS officer
>>317528746
Did the same thing by accident going to that place to get nukes for Liberty Prime, someone came to talk to me and I saw an Assualtron and panicked so I started shooting
>>317537174
>roleplaying in a shitty FPS/TPS
>>317537134
Unity is a fine engine, it's just that many developers are shit at using itlike Obsidian is shit at using every engine they've got their hands on
>>317531216
This is it, this is the most stupid and least informed post I've ever seen on /v/.
The whole fucking conflict in was due to petroleum was running out, gas was ridiculously expensive and hardly available to the average population, it was for military use, also, microfusion was developed once it was too late for it to make any difference, the world was already fucked.
>>317532049
Mini-nukes are widespread. I'll give you that. I will also give you that more often than not, Bethesda misses the point and does retarded shit.
But the concept of the Fatman in the Fallout universe remains sound, and the argument that "nukes killed billions and fucked everything, so everyone will be terrified and refuse to use them" is bullshit.
Yes, the Master refused to use nukes on moral ground, but that doesn't mean everyone shared his views. He wasn't a generic doomsday machine cartoon villain. Using full-size nukes would make it more difficult to achieve his goals, and whether his "morality-based" stance on nukes followed that realization and he figured he could use it to make himself look like a good guy, or if that stance predated it is anyone's guess.
BoS are all about muh tech being too dangerous for anyone to use but them. They'd use a Fatman if they had to. It's nowhere near as destructive as a full-size nuke, so as long as they're not concerned about collateral damage they won't have any problems.
Enclave would sure as shit use a Fatman to exterminate anyone tainted by radiation.
You've drawn a false equivalence based on the idea that mini-nukes and nukes using nuclear energy in an offensive manner. One wipes out a city, another wipes out a city street.
Wastelanders would absolutely be reluctant to use a nuke, but a mini-nuke is so much less destructive that no vaguely rational mind would consider it within the same league of horrifying destructive capability as a full-size nuke. And at that point it's just a really powerful explosive with a short area-denial effect that goes away in a few hours.
>>317537259
would be cool if it had an actually good effect. uniques just being normal legendaries is retarded
>>317537134
>you can lose the fucking game at the character creation screen
That sounds pretty cool, though
>>317537329
The Fatman didn't exist until 3, so that point still stands.
>>317532301
Gas was thousands of dollars per gallon just before the War.
>>317527595
>tfw Tigger was the male voice
>>317537338
Because they're so cool! It's like a super mutant but get this, they have a mininuke!
>>317535619
AMERICA
FUCK
YEA
>>317523532
Two and half hours late, but is it good?
>>317528994
>That is more of an 80's or 90's idea of having a giant robot fight wars for you
>>317537621
not exactly no
the point i'm trying to make is that even though the fat man existed pre-war, it only existed at all when bethseda, who has failed to understand the tones & themes of the series, took over.
:(
>>317537683
>race that considers themselves superior
>totally infertile
>ran out of shit to turn humans into mutants
>no possible way of propagating the race
>I KNOW LETS BLOW OURSELVES UP
I know they're dumb but, come on
>>317536891
Oh, I know. That's what I meant.
The .50 Sniper in F4 is a joke in both looks and power; instead of a completely different class of ammunition it's a slight upgrade from 308.
>>317537491
>unity
>fine engine
Name a single good Unity game that WOULDN'T have been better on a different engine and WASN'T only on Unity because Unity is free and has tons of "So You're Incompetent" help manuals and premades shoved into it.
>>317537574
I don't mean in the sense of an actual game over, obviously, I mean in the sense that every single skill is vital and the "CLASSIC" (think SPECIAL) skills are extremely poorly explained and you get very few of them to throw around, not to mention a couple of them are near worthless (Charisma being the worst offender, claims to be an XP modifier but doesn't modify any XP gained from combat and doesn't have a big effect on anything outside of combat, and has no effect on persuasion chances). You also get skill points so slowly that anything misspent is likely to sink your whole team unless you're minmaxing with prior knowledge and somehow fucked up a click or something.
>>317537756
GORT
KLAATU BARADA NIKTO
>>317526264
That annoys me. They should strap them to something else and send it at you, not hold it themselves. That seems out of character for even dumb super mutants.
>>317538035
My nigga
>>317537756
Didn't the holograms in NV Dead Money shoot lasers like the robot from this movie?
>>317530164
>not using this to carpet bomb the tools at diamond city
I wanna hear it, /v/: rate Fallout 4
>as an RPG
and
>as an action shooter
I rate it 2/10 and 8/10 respectively
>>317520003
Are you retarded?
They were fighting a conventional war for decades. When the Powered Armored Marines were fucking shit up in China, they launched Nukes.
>>317538021
not him but the only decent unity game I've ever seen was Cities: Skylines.
Was a legitimate surprise when I found out it was on unity.
>>317537540
>its a nuke
>it makes a mushroom cloud
>it leaves rads behind
>it's blast is smaller than a handful of conventional explosives
>nah this is fine it doesn't fuck up the atmosphere or base concept at all, its goofy and fun! whats fallout 1 and 2?
This is all so fucking inconsistent, I hate you all.
>>317537338
Every thread
Every goddamned thread!
Why are automatic weapons so shit? Do they get better?
A semi-automatic combat rifle 1-shots most enemies from afar but a full auto ends up taking 5-6 bullets.
>>317538243
Eh, 4/10 7/10
>>317538243
A 1/10 and 6/10 is the best I can give it
>>317538243
2/10 and 6/10
overall the game is a 6/10 for me though
>>317529270
>cellular level
>nuclear weapons
Holy shit please tell me you're not this dumb
Haven't played it yet, did they fix the combat? Is it better than 3 or is it just the same unplayable piece of shit?
>>317538243
As a fallout game
1/10
RPG
2/10
Shooter
6/10
Also where the fuck are the repeaters in FO4?
>>317538408
At least they aren't shotguns.
NEVER waste your resources on a beam-splitter unless it's a bleed-weapon.
>>317538542
Instead of unfiltered sewage it's now a mediocre shooter.
>>317537518
Why even have a sign advertising your ludicrous prices if your customers are limited to the government and rich as fuck people.
Like they're just going to pull in out of the blue and fuel up.
>>317538408
>auto weapons
>shit
Try using the Overseer's Guardian (automatic receiver) with commando maxed out. There's literally nothing it can't take down. Even deathclaws are just mince meat.
>first town stuck at 11 people
how the fuck do I change this? I have enough beds and food
>>317532976
During the peak years of the Cold War, US and Soviet bombers were on patrol 24/7. How hard is it to believe that in a time of war between nuclear powers, some bombers were loaded with nukes standing by for the Big One? It would only take hours for them to reach their targets if they were already in holding patterns.
ICBMs certainly played a role, but it was almost as certainly a lesser one compared to bombers.
For instance, Vegas got 77 warheads, but it wasn't as high priority a target as key economic and political targets like LA or DC. The only counterforce target there was Nellis, and that was farther inland than most land-based bombers could reach, and far enough away from China that any bombers on the ground at Nellis would be late to the party. It would be a waste of bombers to not hit the low-hanging high-value-fruit the hardest.
ICBMs were likely used for targets of lesser value that it wasn't practical to use bombers for.
>>317538703
Increase your Charisma.
>>317538703
>build radio tower
And there you go 20+ settlers.
>>317538672
Exposition, faggot.
In a tongue-in-cheek kind of way- they know it doesn't make sense, as should you.
>>317535223
>>317530048
Fallout 4 has nukes that blow-up if you shoot them, so forgive them if they believe a bullet can set off explosives.
>>317526464
>pouring over
>were
>>317537756
>implying the Bethesda writing staff even know what that movie is.
>implying liberty prime isn't just optimus prime.
>>317538795
I have it at like 6 so I could make supply lines and shops
>>317538820
I can build more than one settler attracting beacon? or does a stronger one exist?
>>317538243
1/10
6/10
as an RPG it has almost no real roleplaying and is incredibly shallow
as a shooter it still had a shit engine so the combat is worse than most other action games, and there is very little weapon variety
>>317519717
>>317519941
We should have left all of this in Tim's hands. At least Brian's game had SOME merit.
>>317538751
It's pretty impressive to hold position either in the middle of the Atlantic or over mainland USA, when you're based in china, a country that has no fuel left.
>>317538892
Now you're just being a jaded asshole, anon.
>>317538697
I guess I just need to level up some more then. They are incredibly underwhelming right now. I think I have enough for that weapon right now so I will check it out.
>>317538243
0/10.
4/10.
If they removed all the trace amounts of fallout, changed the super mutants to space orks, and altered the ripper to look like a chainsword, it'd be a 5/10 40k space marine sequel.
I only used it in 3 to take down the first behemoth then pretty much never again. They make my toaster drop to -10 fps whenever I find a "fun" situation to use it. Missile launchers are cool though and getting the arc right with the Incinerator is fun.
>>317538997
Just one is enough. I have 4 charisma and 0-3 food/water/beds and my settlements are all at 18+ settlers.
>>317538408
Clearly you are the shit one.
Learn how to perk
>>317538337
How does that contradict what I said?
>>317537114
>fast travel wherever the fuck
>spawn in
>suicide mutant running at me
>turn around
>two more right in front of me about to explode
>wasted.png
last time i fuckin go there
>>317519717
Mini nukes are just glorified grenades though, you're not using a high yield nuke. There's a difference between leveling an entire city and taking out a medium sized shack's worth of space.
>>317539190
>I have 4 charisma and 0-3 food/water/beds and my settlements are all at 18+ settlers.
HOW? My main base has 20 beds, 18ish food (I have more but it's hard to see who is assigned to what) and 50 water
>>317533178
Can you go straight for the vault to his fort? I figured bethesda would lock it out.
>>317539042
The bombers could have ran on the same fuel as their tanks.
>>317539139
I think you need to recalibrate your scoring rubric anon.
You're as bad as the 10/10 GOTYAY faggots.
>>317539203
Semi-Autos just seem so much better per bullet.
>>317518360
Never found the need.
.308 and 2mm were sufficient for anything that needed a hard death.
Is that ice gun from the beginning of the game good? Thinking of finally going back for it. I hope it at least sells good.
>put on X-01 armour and head to the glowing sea
>get into a fight with maybe 3 Radskorpions and about a dozen blood bugs all 10 levels below me
>use 8 stimpacks
>helmet, left leg and torso broken
Wow, power armour sure is powerful!
I've made it to level 46 without using one of these
>>317539364
change filename to "DELETE THIS"
>>317536208
>More force applied to an area means more penetration, and decreasing the area while maintaining the amount of force makes it pen better
>Steel nosecone or something
>Delayed fuse instead of impact fuse
>Concrete isn't THAT tough
Also, 250lbs of explosive will fuck shit up far harder in an enclosed space like a bunker than it would in open air.
>>317538408
Try an AP-auto 10mm. It shreds low-level junk pretty well so far, about on-par with laser pistols & the 45 combat rifle.
>>317538618
Explosive shotguns are ridiculously OP.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>317539364
>>317539428
>Putting memes in the game
For the love of god Bethesda
>>317537004
>living in some enabler shithole where anything less than a 70% isn't failing
>>317539569
Can confirm but I blow myself up if I shoot something too close :(
>>317519465
Holy shit
>>317539426
It doesn't protect against poison/bleeding damage you literal fucking retard.
>>317539343
they objectively are
>spend 25 .45 rounds with the Submachine Gun to kill something
>spend 3 .45 rounds with the Combat Rifle to kill the same target
they completely fucked up any semblance of weapon balance in this game
>>317538751
Because the resource wars.
Because fuel was hideously scarce. There would not be 24/7 air patrols. Even if that where the case, they would still need considerable logistical support and other operations to go from mainland China to the west coast of the United States, much less the east coast. Again, this is based upon your assumption that the Great War was fought primarily with 50s era bombers, their operational ranges, and antiquated fatman/littleboy style nuclear armaments that would be well over 100 year old antiques in 2070.
The Great War was kickstarted when American soldiers in power armor touched down on mainland China.
Massive ICBM launches from China, then MAD retaliatory strikes from the United States.
All of it over in about 2 to 3 hours tops.
If you mentioned anything like nuclear submarines with missile capability then I would find your position more tenable. As it stands the supermassive fleet of bombers that can cross the world solo and hit all possible targets in the US is not feasible.
The Great War was conducted almost exclusively through ICBMs, with some submarine launches also possible.
>>317528474
>being a fraud in an easy as fuck game
>>317539440
The steel nosecone can resist the forces that punch through 10 feet of reinforced concrete in a fraction of a second?
Where does the powdered concrete even go?
>>317538243
>RPG
1/10
>shooter
5/10
>>317532007
He was a neckbeard with a rich CEO dad. Normally he would've become an angsty bitch later in life, as neckbeards do, but his dad gave him power over the company and he went full blackhat.
>>317534262
You know nick can be detected but you can remain "hidden"
I got so many sneak attacks on people while they had a firefight with nick.
>>317539428
It's my screen cap, I'll make sure people see it as a literary kek not g-mod griefing.
>>317539569
It actually applies the damage multiple times, so they're much stronger than advertised.
>>317539284
>I am internet argumen
>I can't into fission
Californium251 has a tiny critical mass and a fission reaction from that would come to around 10 tons of TNT. That's not a genade explosion anon. That's a big fucking boom.
The davey crocket system we were talking about, the smallest one ever built (as far as we know) yeilded a blast equivilent to 15 tons of TNT. The warhead on those wasn't much smaller than the mini nukes in 3 and 4.
tl;dr the debate between high yield and low yield is moot. 10 tons of TNT is not "a glorified grenade". How can people really be this stupid?
pic related
>>317539803
It's because they seemingly balanced the shit around DPS like a bunch of fucking retards.
>It's fine to kill something just as quick with ten times the amount of bullets in a game where you scavenge your ammo supply.
It's like they brought in some CoD faggots to balance the weapon customization
>>317539803
That was my original point. Full auto seems fun but is incredibly wasteful of bullets. Will probably go back to semi-auto.
>>317539803
>Shooting 45 ACP out of a rifle
b-bethesda
>>317539926
Pretty sure that weapon is a shitty version of the default laser pistol.
>>317540024
because in the game it's a glorified grenade
which weapon/configuration is good for building crit? I had a 10mm that gave me like 8-10 shots, which if all hit meant two criticals, but after i upgraded it i only get like 4 shots off using vats. any tips?
>>317540216
The caliber shit just shows how incompetent they or, or how little they actually care. Fucking deliverer using 10mm? It makes no goddamn sense. At least .38 would have been in the right ballpark (but still wrong, whatever).
Also the 'assault rifle' being a water jacket cooler monstrosity that is LARGER than the fucking combat rifle? Who the fuck designed this shit?
>>317518360
Holy fuck the super mutant bombers are fucking ridiculously annoying
>>317540272
it is, i was just fucking around with weapons for the first hour of the game
>>317540337
The lighter a gun the more shots you get in VATS, I think.
>>317540383
Shoot them in the arm, nuke their friends.
>>317540216
if they had only learned a single fucking thing from New Vegas and had unique ammunition types that'd be excusable. but there's no distinction on what kind of round it is so it's all just .45 and spending less of it to get more out of it is inherently better than the automatics
>>317540024
>fallout physics works like real world physics
mini nukes aren't comparable to actual nukes and you know it. they're just enough to take down a super mutant behemoth and thats it, they have a blast radius of about 15m^2.
>>317540383
I always just snipe their arm in VATS and laugh as they blow up all their buddies.
>>317540375It's akchtually an air-jacket
>>317540375
Oh god I thought that meant the assault rifle would be like some intense machine gun shit, but
>semi auto
>watercooled semi-auto hand-held gun
WHY
SO MUCH WHY
>>317539767
>power armour is susceptible to bleeding and poisoning
I'M RETARDED? Fuck you Todd.
>>317538243
>as an rpg
>game has a plot, exp system, weapon/armor crafting system, quests, etc
>somehow there are faggots who doesnt consider this a rpg
I always knew /v/ was retarded who cant think for themselves but jesus its just getting worse by the time.
>>317540216
I mean, carbines are technically different than rifles, but are in essence just shorter rifles, and pistol caliber carbines are a thing.
In Bethesda's extremely broad definition of a rifle (any two-handed gun,) a carbine fits the bill.
>>317518360
>crying about the tools and not the fucking people or types of people who are the real problem
this is why we have faggots like you wanting to ban guns
>>317540420
Really? I never thought about that. I have to check it out, thanks f-a-m
>>317540657
What does RPG stand for, anon?
Come on, think for yourself, you can do it.
>>317535619
just think of a big metal shield around a small bomb. throw anything hard enough at anything, itll go through it.
in this case, larger bunker bombs dont actually do much explosive damage in its own right. most of the damage comes from something called spalling or something, where the material you sheer off in the concussive impact it the dangerous part.
basically, if youve got 15 feet of solid concrete above you as protection, then the bomb dosent need to hit YOU. it just needs to cause the 15 feet of concrete to fall on you.
>>317539910
into the people below
>ITT a bunch of grown ass men talk about how they don't enjoy Fallout 4.
I hate this place.
>>317540657
By that logic Far Cry 3 is an RPG.
>>317540657
I tried to roleplay as the forgotten boxing heavyweight champion of the old world but my character kept rambling on and on about some child named Shaun or something.
Is there a way I can fix that?
>>317540635
Jesus christ man if you're on /v/ you shouldn't be so casual as to not know the different damage types & the ones players should be most worried about, (POISON AND BLEEDING).
Fucking disgraceful, faggot.
>>317540917
Feel free to leave.
>>317540917
HATE POSTER
>>317528994
>No, not even close. Not even a little. It maks no sense at all. Giant Robot's are not a 50's thing.
The whole idea of the oil shortage resource wars, the "Punk" look to most postwar things, and The insane level of lood and violence and tits in the games is more of a '70s thing than a '50s thing. Honestly, if anything while the aesthetics of a lot of things in fallout are '50s in nature Fallout takes ideas from all over the Cold war, from the BUY WAR BONDS propaganda that looks '40s to the "Hippy" subculture and Basically everything in New Vegas that is straight out of the '60s
>>317540917
STOP TALKING ABOUT THINGS IF YOU DON'T LIKE THEM YOU SHOULD ONLY TALK ABOUT THINGS YOU LIKE, PASS THE TEA MARGERY EVERYTHING IS ROSES
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Shut up faggot.
>>317540917
so go to a different thread you faggot
"wah people are criticizing a AAA game that definitely doesn't seem to have the work put in for the budget it received! they must be trolls!!!"
>>317539318
yeah, the elevator/door doesn't even exist if you run there straight from the vault
BRAVO TODDLER
>>317540917
>comes to a videogames board for over 18's
>doesn't like over 18's discussing videogames
>>317540774
>A role-playing video game (commonly referred to as role-playing game or RPG, and in the past was also known as computer role-playing game or cRPG) is a video game genre where the player controls the actions of a main character (or several adventuring party members) immersed in some well-defined world. Many role-playing video games have origins in pen-and-paper role-playing games[1] (such as Dungeons & Dragons) and use much of the same terminology, settings and game mechanics. Other major similarities with pen-and-paper games include developed story-telling and narrative elements, player character development, complexity, as well as replayability and immersion. The electronic medium removes the necessity for a gamemaster and increases combat resolution speed. RPGs have evolved from simple text-based console-window games into visually rich 3D experiences.
Yep, its an RPG. Stop trying to fit in the /v/ hivemind. One thing is to dislike a game, another is to say stupid shit like "hurr durr look at me everyone i said something bad about a bethesda/AAA dev, i have good tastes right guys xDDD?"
>>317518360
>why would I use one
Because the world is already fucked
>>317541052
I'll do what I want, including complain about people complaining.
The institute is a faction that wants to control the wasteland from the shadows.
To do this they kidnap and replace people with synthetic people.
They've also played a role in three massacres as well as having their synthetic robots ordered to kill anyone on approach.
Some people might think this is morally reprehensible and try to have them explain their reasoning.
They believe they're doing what's best for humanity.
You can't debate them on this point.
>>317540953
Todd, poison and bleeding damage is fine but how do you explain power armor BLEEDING and being POISONED.
I paid $80 for this shit you fuck.
>>317540917
>tumblr
wew
>>317518360
no, i built a nuke in TPP.
>>317538243
2/10
7/10
Basically its garbage.
>>317532049
The more analyses I read about Bethesda Fallout the more butthurt I get that Bethesda isn't doing anything interesting with it.
Let's all join hands and pray for Obsidian to get another spin-off.I don't mind the 50s music at all though, I don't expect Bethesda to write new popular music for an alternate future and I really like the way it sounds
>Brotherhood says Institute's weapons are highly advanced
>they fucking suck and are twice as big as the regular laser rifle
>>317541203
Fallout 4 doesn't have half of the shit from that paragraph that you obviously typed out yourself because you obviously think for yourself.
It's more of a FPS/TPS than it is an RPG, so it's no longer an RPG it's an action game with RPG elements. Deal with it.
>>317541280
>Don't have a specific image saved on my computer.
>Google search it.
>It's the first result.
>Autists sperg over the file name.
Erry time.
>>317540529
But in a game where the world has been destroyed by this enigmatic "atom bomb" so powerful there are cults worshiping it, dismantling that concept and turning it into a "so funny XD" firecracker is counterproductive and retarded. Which is why you didn't see them in 1 or 2 because they had a little thing called consistency.
>>317538672
Keep in mind, there was also massive inflation.
>>317538358
>its a nuke
Yes. A rifle also functions on the same principle as a 105mm tank gun. Totally the same thing and anyone who doesn't feel the same emotion on the same scale for both objects is an inconsistent Bethesdrone faggot.
That's what you sound like.
>it makes a mushroom cloud
Anything that puts out enough smoke will make a mushroom cloud. When I was going through CERT training, we practiced putting out small fires. Guess what I saw the smoke from a fire turn into?
>it leaves rads behind
For a few hours.
>it's blast is smaller than a handful of conventional explosives
But you only need one mini nuke to fuck a Deathclaw instantly, compared to 10 hand grenades to kill him far less instantly and with way more time for it to close in fuck the user's shit up.
In a situation where
>You have on hand an amount of explosives comparable to a mini-nuke in their cumulative power
>You need all of them
>They're going to be used on one target
>The target will only present itself as such for a limited amount of time (whether that's because it's going to kill the user if they're not fast enough or time is otherwise a factor)
Then it's more practical to use the mini-nuke. Whether it's a deathclaw coming at me or MGSV's "Backup, Back Down" mission, when time is of the essence, I want to neutralize the target with all possible efficiency.
>nah this is fine it doesn't fuck up the atmosphere or base concept at all, its goofy and fun! whats fallout 1 and 2?
Nice strawman.
HEY FAGGOTS
is a stealth run viable?
i want to sneak through dungeons/regions just 420scoping people in the back of the head or knifing them to death
do suppressors/silencers affect stealth? are they mandatory?
i hate how one gunshot on a dude alerts an entire fucking area into DANGER
>>317541261
>hey son maybe you should let the synths go if they really want to
>NO DAD YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THEY'RE JUST CONFUSED WE NEED TO RESET THEIR MEMORIES
>whoa there what the fuck, you can't just do that when you gave them sentience and free will, they're effectively humans now
>THIS ISN'T UP FOR DEBATE DAD IT'S FOR THE GREATER GOOD
>you know what? i'm just going to raise your synth version of yourself instead you little shit
>>317538836
Just the Fat Mine in GRA. That can be explained with fusing being made more sensitive so it can be used as a mine in the first place.
>>317541506
>a video game genre where the player controls the actions of a main character (or several adventuring party members) immersed in some well-defined world
Check
>story-telling and narrative elements, player character development, complexity, as well as replayability and immersion.
check
>The electronic medium removes the necessity for a gamemaster and increases combat resolution speed. RPGs have evolved from simple text-based console-window games into visually rich 3D experiences.
check
Its an RPG. Maybe you think its a bad one, maybe you have a compelling reason for thinking so, but saying its not an RPG is stupid and goes to show how contrarians on /v/ are just as retarded as people who think its a 10/10 game. Again, stop trying to fit in.
>>317541491
>I don't expect Bethesda to write new popular music for an alternate future
They wrote original songs for this game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hUV6PmOBvU
>>317541261
That doesn't mean it is what's best for humanity. If I thought the best thing for humanity was to have everyone amputate their small toes, since they're slowly evolving away anyway, would you do it? Or while everyone else was going to town with bolt cutters and hacksaws would you stop and think, "you know, maybe this isn't the best idea, maybe everyone should be able to choose whether or not they want to keep their toe".
>>317518360
I love using mini nukes. Gets shit done.
>>317541786
none of the stealth mechanics work outside of the damage multiplier when you shoot while in stealth
other than that its completely worthless
>>317541786
Stealth archers are always the way to go bro.
>>317541261
If we just replace everyone on the surface with synths, we'll have peace! genius!
>>317541786
It's quite a bit more difficult without any perks in sneaking.
MAYBE once you've got some perks & the right armor and a handful of stealth mags, you'd be able to do it.
But 'till then you won't be able to get within 10-20 feet of the backside of a raider before he'll spin around and shoot you in the face.
>>317541786
How are you playing? I headshot people all the time and get [CAUTION] so I just pull back until hidden again. If I am far away enough I can shoot multiple times for the sneak bonus.
>>317541905
is the existence of your little toe propagating the problem and making it worse, slowly killing all of humanity? not to mention, if you made them, they are technically your property until they are 18 or such.
>>317523492
when I went there he got stuck behind a shitty chainlink gate when it opened and didn't move, fight back or try to close the gate.
Easiest fight of the game for me
Say what you like, but the USS Atlantic and its quests were fucking fun.
>>317541612
Mini nukes were developed before the war anyways, so here you have old stockpiles of what are essentially powerful handheld weaponry just laying around. It makes sense people would want their hands on them. Its literally a non issue.
>>317541828
Holy shit.
Imagine if you could have a clone of Shaun made and replace him, then keep him locked in the FEV lab and make him watch the suddenly competent replacement take over, then visit him every few days and remind him this is the shit he's doing to other people. 60 or so years of fucking discipline Sean. Next, I'm taking you to diamond city and I'll teach you to play baseball and ride a bike.
Anyone else feel like the newer Fallout games are pushing the setting too far into the future, science-wise? I mean, we're talking freaking replicators, androids, holograms, robot creatures etc. Where is my bulky, rounded 50's scifi?
>>317540657
Call of Duty has all of those
>>317542075
Oh, and good fucking luck with turrets.
>>317542171
*USS Constitution
>>317541885
But that means just about every game is an RPG, that definition is far too vague.
>>317541885
>immersed in some well-defined world
Not in Fallout "Yes/No(yes)/Sarcastic(yes)/Metal Gear?(yes)" 4
>player character development, complexity, as well as replayability and immersion.
Not in Fallout "same as above" 4
Without these parts, this is just a description of any video game past tetris and pong.
Third line doesn't even say anything about how an RPG is defined you genuine retard, I thought you could think for yourself.
>>317542208
>then keep him locked in the FEV lab and make him watch the suddenly competent replacement take over,
Too bad shaunhas terminal cancer, he's gonna die anyways.
>>317542313
>he doesn't know about the USS Atlantic
bet you thought there was only one robot crew in the game retard
>>317542201
It's a non issue to you because you know shit about fallout.
This blast is significantly smaller than 5 tons of TNT
The smallest nuke possible with the elements we have is 10 tons.
You're a retard, you don't get why having retarded so fanny mini nukes is dumb.
>>317542270
TheAYYsare very highly advanced & have that aesthetic.
I'm perfectly fine with them going mixing darker shit in with the 50s campiness.
In fact I think they've been doing that since forever.
>>317541885
so is doom 2 then.
>>317539042
>>317539805
We've got miniature fusion reactors small enough for a suit of armor. How hard is it to believe that a larger one can power a plane?
And why do we assume that bombers are solely subsonic?
US forces were in China for years before the Great War.
Still a matter of hours for bombers to reach their targets. Especially since China doesn't have high strategic depth once you hit their coast. From there you can reach most of their population centers in half an hour or less.
Bombers loitering around Japan could reach Beijing in less than 2 hours, especially if they're nuclear-powered and supersonic.
There are no indication of SLBMs in Fallout to my knowledgeI haven't played 4 yet. Not evidence of absence, but evidence of less importance in a nuclear triad at least.
HOWEVER, I'd like to imagine something along the lines of Project Pluto being used. It's certainly Fallout enough.
Pic related.
>>317542386
S-STOP T-T-TRYING TO FIT IN! YOU HATE THIS GAME BECAUSE IT'S POPULAR!
TODD LEND ME YOUR STRENGTH IN MY HOUR OF NEED, THE JADED 4CHAN BULLIES WERE NOT SCALED TO MY LEVEL!
>>317542415
You bastard, you lied to me
I wanted them to be a proper faction, they're more interesting than all the others
>>317542386
memes dont refute that the world is well defined.
Face it, you role play, you manage inventory and skills as you level up. Its an RPG
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_video_game#Characteristics
FO4 fits all the criteria. Stop trying to be contrarian on an anonymous image board son. Dont play the game if you think its shit, but dont shitpost by saying dumb shit like that.
>>317533658
where do I get the hot rod magazines
>>317542397
Not until I complete the quest before last. He'll have months in-game.
>>317540216
>>317540375
>>317540503
Technically, a .45 ACP rifle isn't wrong. Pistol-caliber carbines exist. It's just that it's a pistol cartridge.
>>317542616
It's totally believable that US forces would have nuke bombers dropping payloads onto china
But we're talking about the one that made it to DC, and led to megaton.
Flying across an entire continent to drop a bomb before it was promptly wiped out by its own sides ICBMS falling on the locations it was going to bomb, great work china.
>>317542746
>>317542515
>The smallest nuke possible with the elements we have is 10 tons.
Again, you keep making the mistake of applying real world physics to fallout. Its a universe with plasma rifles, mutants, and sentient/advanced robot lifeforms despite no transistors ever making supercomputing possible. The mini nuke is just ordinance for infantry, deal with it. I also recommend you get that autism checked out.
>>317542938
even in that case it's still idiotic that the SMG takes 20 more rounds to kill anything than the Combat Rifle takes
>>317543119
What's even the point of the SMG?
An auto-pipe rifle is on-par and uses the far more-plentiful .38 trash round.
You're flushing your 45 down the drain if you use that shit 'SMG'.
>>317542798
>Proven wrong with valid points
>"Memes! I'm right you're wrong!"
FO4 has RPG elements, but it is more action/adventure driven than it is RPG driven. What role do you play in FO4? In every "quest" you play the roll that Todd laid out for you or you don't play at all.
That is why it is an action game with RPG elements and not an RPG.
Battlefield has weapon customization and leveling up with exp, it's an RPG?
>>317543119
welcome to video games
pick up your fightpad and mild social phobia on the left
>>317543246
who knows. fallout 4 got all of the weapons so wrong that it's pretty insulting when compared to New Vegas and it's fantastic weapon variety and loads of actually good uniques
>>317543287
You got a problem with emems son?
>>317543005
...this is the entire strategy of actual nukes. since each side irl have spent decades producing anti-nuke technology, the idea is to spam 50 billion nukes, because only ONE has to make it. ooops, a few nukes didnt make it...but last time i checked, its been 200 years and a good chunk of dc is still wasteland. i think they succeeded.
>>317543442
but its still the idea of the plane that got knocked out over DC carrying a nuke that's the problem, not whatever you think the issue is
>>317543246
The tommy gun is only useful for the Silver Shroud quest
>>317541786
use suppressed weapons/mods or melee and get the sneak perks and it's pretty much the same as previous games, provided you use stealth tactics and make use of the environment
there's no perk for negating the armor weight sneak penalty through, so you'll need to put muffled on all your amor to make it shine (or not wear any until you need it)
it becomes pretty powerful once you get sneak up to rank 4 (iirc) which negates the sneak running penalty
>>317543583
I found it pretty useful early in the game for murdering bullet sponges when VATS wouldn't cut it
>>317543287
>Proven wrong with valid points
>Fallout "Yes/No(yes)/Sarcastic(yes)/Metal Gear?(yes)" 4
>a valid point
gr8b8
>What role do you play in FO4?
A father looking for his son, everything else is up to you. You can be a dick, a pacifist, a fucking farmer.
Go look at the link, FO4 meets all the definitions of an RPG. Next you're gonna say NV isnt an RPG either.
>>317524854
Can you even get drunk in this game? I tried chugging a bunch of shit but the only thing that did any kind of animation were stimpacks.
And the jet slow I guess.
