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Fallout lore thread.
Utterly raped in FO4
>>317410712
>Fallout 4
>canon
>>317410786
>Zeta
>canon
Are we just going to repeat this for all Bethesda works?
>Myron creates Jet and dies, forgotten by everyone
>Jet is now a Pre War chem
>>317410642
It was never good to begin with, and it was getting raped starting with 2 if we really want to be honest here (which I doubt).
>>317410856
>Are we just going to repeat this for all Bethesda works?
Yes, we should.
>>317410903
Even bethesda forgot about myron.
I love that power armor design.
aren't cats supposed to be extinct? Cos they're in fallout 4.
>playing fallout 4
>get audio tape near first suit of power armor at beginning of game
>guy says his vertibird was downed by emp, which should've occurred just before shockwave hit
>shockwave hit the vault, so presumably it would've hit Concord less than a mile away
>noone in squad dies from shockwave
>people in squad are killed by desperate survivors who should be dead due to radiation
>guy on tape talks about walking to Boston, despite that he is outside and should be dead due to radiation
How did someone read that and say, yeah, that makes sense
>>317410946
Here's your reply.
Do we know what ending is canon from New Vegas yet? BoS mentioned Citadel so I assume it wasn't blown up.
Why aren't there any Vault cities on the east coast?
Why are there so many Vertibirds when they were a prototype?
Why does Jet now exist pre-war?
By the times the bomb dropped, The world is basically completely fucked, a single magazine costs $35, food is basically impossible to buy, there are mass riots and looting, you even see in Fallout 4 in game military checkpoints were handing out rationed food... so why is the Pre-war so rosy when you're actually in it when it's basically post-apoc by the times the bombs are falling anyway?
>>317410712
Literally the first comment is going to start another FO4 hate thread.
>>317410903
>jet is pre war
Wait wat
How does Bethesda pay so much attention to detail in certain small things, and then completely fuck up basic shit like that?
So we know that in the NCR they build villages and new cities, but do they ever attempt to full refurbish certain buildings like A sky scraper or a big block of apartments? Or would that just be considered future scraping projects?
>>317411191
How is there still edible pre-war food on every other table you visit after 200 years?
>>317411257
If I'm not mistaken NV isn't cannon period.
>>317410903
When do we see it as a pre war chem?
>>317411257
I'll suspect neutral (Mr House) or NCR end with Legion falling back to the east.
>>317411293
>How does Bethesda pay so much attention to detail in certain small things
Like what?
>>317411191
There were survivors from the initial blast. That's not too far fetched, since the same happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.The vault-tec guy from the start of the game also survives the blast, despite being locked out of the vault.
>>317411273
I didn't think about that kek, the intro video literally talks about looting and yet your little community is perfect and safe
>>317410712
Nice!meme
How is Jet made?
>>317411257
They also yell "remember the citadel" which implies some shit went down there.
>>317411346
NV is canon however stuff like Tactics and Brotherhood of steel is not canon.
>>317411478
Brahmin shit fumes.
>>317410903
Nope
Vault 95 is run by raiders, no fucking shit there's jet in there
>>317411273
Doesn't the protag live in some kind of sheltered community? Basically still living the American dream. That's what I assumed anyway.
>>317411273
Because Bethesda want Fallout to be post-apocalyptic while it's been post-post-apocalyptic since FO2.
>>317411478
Fermented Brahmin shit and some chemicals.
>>317411346
>If I'm not mistaken NV isn't cannon period.
It is canon. Why wouldn't it be canon?
>>317411532
Sounds pre war to me
>>317411376
Ok so I can't remember exactly what off the top of my head right now, but there's been moments where I notice certain cool details that I would've never thought to include which obviously would take some measure of time and effort to code in. And then on the other hand they just rewrite the origin of jet without a single thought. Just odd.
>>317411565
A Vault-tec regional hq terminal mentions Jet being sent to vault 95.
>>317411653
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Myron
Is there a list of everyone you can sleep with in the game
>>317411591
Yeah, I figured it was implied that you're family (probably due to your military service) was part of whatever remained of the middle class. Definitely seemed like some kind of special community given they had a Vault in their backyard.
>>317411402
> sanctuary
>>317411961
How about the fishes?
Fuck off romance fag
>>317411191perhaps its a fictional video game
>>317412057
Yeah I guess it was a little special community. Wonder how a military grunt got in.
>>317411376
They pay attention to certain things and ignore others. If you get Cait to kick drugs, she calls you a hypocrite for using them.
In Fallout 3, when you find the AntAgonizer and the Mechanist, you can tell the AntAgonizer about the comic book she based her character off of. You can only do this if you read a certain terminal in the comic book factory in the DC ruins.
Couple examples.
>>317412167
So that they could box him up and freeze him for two hundred years, I'm guessing. Maybe Sanctuary was built more for the vault, than the reverse. Seen as how practically everyone living in Sanctuary had space in the vault.
>>317412167
maybe through distinguished service, idk i dont remember if they say what his service record was
>>317411778
Source?
>>317412383
Good point, fits in with all the vault tec and enclave shadow government shit going on
How was the Master moved from Mariposa to the Test Vault under Cathedral? Is there a canon plot point for that? Just curious.
>>317412326
I thought you meant attention to detail of the lore, because Bethesda seems to give zero fucks about how their games gel with the established Fallout universe.
>>317412451
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Vault-Tec_Regional_HQ_terminal_entries
>Dr.Reid's Terminal
>[09/29]
>So we just shipped 15 cases of psycho and jet to Vault 95. Of course, that makes total sense...let's give these addicts more of what put them in this situation to begin with. Davidson says it's to force them to make the hard choice, chems or getting clean. I say it's to cause a bloodbath...
>>317412167
Presumably you got preferential treatment as a veteran, the same way you got into Vault 111 (besides narrative convenience)
>>317412383
or this makes more sense
>>317412326
Oh, and if you have Jericho in your party in fallout 3, I think he will cough from time to time and complain about you running E everywhere because he used to smoke a lot. Cool stuff like that, and then they screw up other things. It's infuriating.
Does the game explain why there is so much cola quantum in Boston? I thought that was produced in very small numbers, and only shipped hours before the bombs hit.
Just because we saw no cats in the original two it means they are extinct.
And no, the world of a single girl peasant its not the word of God.
I'm really enjoying FO4 but does anyone get the feeling the 'dungeons' aren't quite as interesting this time around?
I feel like the computers don't have as fulfilling or information and aren't as fleshed out.
Maybe I'm just older and lost my imagination
I called bullshit when Jet appeared in Fallout 3. You do know how near impossible it is to cross the country? You need to fly over the super storms. Only the BoS and Enclave could realistically do it. And they wouldn't bring Jet with them.
>>317412464
>>317412618
It's not like Vault-tec has shown to give any thought to social status or class. They killed the US elite of musicians in one vault, and the presumably highly qualified scientists in vault 111 were apparently disposable.
>>317412603
There it's settled finally. Jet is now a pre war chem
>>317410856
Yes
>>317412603
Some tired interns probably designed that vault and it slipped through the cracks, but that's lame. The origins of Jet should be something the writers know considering I have 42 of them
>>317412949
>considering I have 42 of them
Todd?
>>317410642
Why don't the Vault Dweller or the Chosen One need Power Armor training?
>>317412758
I found my issue with dungeons were the fact that loot was the same no matter where you went, since they practically removed unique guns from the game. Also, many distinguishing locations, didn't feel like they had any fun in them. Vault headquarters is pretty barren, and so was the national guard training yard, and the corvega factory.
>>317412836
But it's not. It's never supposed to be a pre-war drug unless we go by something similar to it.
>>317413001
that was just brought in by bethesda
>>317410642
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_canon
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline
Enjoy.
>>317412758
I think the locations are much better than fallout 3 (which were pretty damn bad for the most part) but either on the level or slightly worse than new vegas.
A ton of the locations are cool as fuck but make absolutely no sense. NV it all made sense, and was also pretty cool.
>>317413015
You don't get what he's saying. Bethesda has a canon journal entry of a pre-war person mentioning Jet. That means they fucked up the lore and Jet had to exist pre-war now.
>>317412795
Dude are you stupid? Once a drug is created it's not that hard to recreate once the chemicals are known. Do you think it needs to come from the original fucking source or something?
> By putting tons of brahmin shit in the vats, we found out that the fumes give more than enough of a kick. Eureka. Literally. 'Course, we had to test to get the mix right'".
Yeah because that method can't be passed by word of mouth.
Grasping for straws senpai
>>317411308
the pre-war technology was pretty advanced and long lasting food was produced in mass quantities, what do you think the Vault dwellers eat, their purified feces?
>>317412795
Not the first time people have crossed the US though. Kellog did it in FO4, that ghoul tree guy in FO3, the entire brotherhood chapter of Lyons, etc.
>>317410903
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Jet_%28Fallout_3%29
Where did you get that info?
>>317412758
The raider base made of boats linked together was pretty cool. I'm just glad the endless caves are gone.
>>317412998
Who is this Todd you speak of?
>>317413227
>Yeah because that method can't be passed by word of mouth.
>passed by word of mouth from west coast to the east coast even though it's established that you can't cross the center of the country without flying over the super storms
It's more likely some asshole on the east coast happened to stumble across it at the same time.
>>317411295
Big buildings would be hundreds of years old with no maintenance. inhabitable and dangerous
>>317413227
>Yeah because that method can't be passed by word of mouth.
To have word of mouth you have to have people who know how to make Jet CROSS THE COUNTRY. BoS and Enclave weren't big into Jet use.
>>317413227
Myron was the only one who knew how to make it though, that's the main reason the That gang in New Reno kept him alive kept him alive
>>317411594
>Because Bethesda want Fallout to be post-apocalyptic
more like they want fallout to be apocalyptic when it's POST-apocalyptic since fallout 1
what people seem to fail to grasp is that the whole fluff of the bombs and the war was just an expedient of the original developers to create a setting in which you would be able to explore a compelling "what if" scenario in a role playing model that could be experienced only with video game medium, they were literally applying table top rules ot the thing, even went as far as to make a fallout bible.
![557931-fallout-new-vegas-lonesome-road-playstation-3-screenshot-tunnelers[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CjZy1eE.jpg "557931-fallout-new-vegas-lonesome-road-playstation-3-screenshot-tunnelers[1]")
So, is humanity going to die out eventually in the tunneler apocalypse or do they stand a chance?
>>317411273
>Why does Jet now exist pre-war?
wat the fuck?
not played fo4 yet, but are they certifiably retarded?
>>317413457
How did they keep him alive twice?
>>317413359
Dude, lemme develop a Fallout spin-off, I'm a fairy.
>>317413531
By not proofreading.
>>317412795
Where are you getting this super storm shit from?
>>317413521
Holy fuck New Vegas looks ugly compared to Fallout 4
>>317413429
Well its quite possible that a single soldier of the brotherhood was a fan of Jet and took some with him.
I mean I can buy chems right from the doc in that flying space marine fortress.
>>317411273
The Brotherhood of Steel on the West Coast should have vertibirds. I assume the plans you stole from Navarro were Enclave-finished vertibird plans, right?
>>317413335
It's already confusing how The Enclave Even got to the East with such a large number despite having the head quarters with a signigicant amount of it's populous blown apart followed by being decimated by both the NCR and Brotherhood on the core region.
>3
>jet accidentally in vault loot lists
>people pitch a fit, bethesda apologizes and it's patched out quickly
>4
>terminal entries literally referencing jet prewar
>>317412603
[10/07]Edit
Transcript
Walter in the warehouse just told me we received a massive shipment marked "Vault 111 - DO NOT OPEN". So, he opened it...and it was hundreds of gallons of liquid nitrogen! What could they possibly need that for?
they know liquid nitrogen boils at room temp and will explode if contained, right?
>>317410786
This, I don't really consider Bethesda Fallout's canon.
>>317413521
They hate Bright lights, so they aren't much of a threat, also
>Deathclaws are bulletsponges and take forever to kill and to a shitton of damage
>A few tunnelers, that can be easily dispatched, kills one easily
I don't give a fuck if it was wounded, there's no way that a few Tunnelers could take on a Deathclaw
>>317413457
>kept him alive kept him alive
>>317413856
fuck off, abbot
>>317413523
who cares, neither of the bethesda games are canon
someone needs to take the IP from them, but they've pretty much damaged it beyond salvaging
RIP Fallout, you died with Interplay.
>>317413785
The Encalve had several private vaults. They lost maybe half of their people after FO2, if that. More than enough to reorganize.
Why they went East and made their new president a damn calculator is what bothers me.
>>317411346
>When do we see it as a pre war chem?
You can find it in places that are supposed to be sealed since before the war.
>>317414029
Rest assured, dear America, I AM your duly elected president.
>>317412471
He didn't immediately turn into a freak iirc, but he also had a supermutant army and could have them drag his slimy ass all over the desert if he desired.
Why are there super mutants in Boston? Did they all walk up there from DC?
>The Enclave are the bad guys
I really hate this pre-war meme
GUYS
GUYS
Why the fuck did Bethesda shamelessly redo the whole Dunwich bullshit again?
Are they that fucking lazy or is it meant to be an ebin reference to FO3 for the "hardcore"?
>>317411273
>so why is the Pre-war so rosy when you're actually in it when it's basically post-apoc by the times the bombs are falling anyway?
I think this part was because Nate was a Vet, It's why you got a spot in the vault too.
>>317414220
>DC to Boston
It really isn't that far
>>317414232
Bitch please they where evil as fuck in 2.
Actually everyone is evil minus your tribe (wich is also the only settlement with no possible bad ending.)
>>317414232
>Enclave is made up by organizations like the pre-war government of the US, Vault-Tec, US military, etc
>not the bad guys
I mean just the crimes of Vault-Tec rivals those of the Nazis
>>317414220
Its tied to the plot of FO4 m8
Is it only me that thinks that FO4 has raped the series? It's not an RPG anymore. FO 3 and NV were already pushing it to borderline FPS, but FO4 just went full shooter. It's a decent game, but it feels dumbed down.
>>317414346
That's like an 8 hour drive
>>317414339
>nate
I think you mean Mr. Hammer
>>317414383
>Is it only me that thinks that FO4 has raped the series?
Have you missed all the threads since it came out?
>>317414029
Theres barely any mention of Enclave vaults and even then would they really want to follow a shattered force eastward? The big one as you said is the fucking Robo president, who in their right minds thought that was a good idea.
>>317414309
honestly dunwich is the only intriguing shit they have going for them so.. yeah.
FO3 they had Dunwich and the railroad. Both interesting and new story. Unsurprisingly, they made FO4 about.. the railroad and dunwich showed up too.
>>317414383
Feels dumbed down in the rpg aspects, but I found the worst crime to be how you practically can't ask for backstory anymore. Almost all lines of dialogue feel focused on the present, and the task at hand, leaving little for you to question about the past or the inner workings of things.
>>317414029
Why do people assume they went east? I figured they had guys in the east anyway considering DC and Langley are right there. And Eden being president was probably more because they had succession by bloodline instead of elections, after Dick Richardson died they didn't have a true successor to the presidency.
>>317414418
>implying super mutants aren't capable of walking a couple hundred miles
>>317414346
>>317414418
the valt dewller figured out that the muties couldn't reproduce in fo1.
meaning the only muties where made by the master in California.
so why the fuck are there super mutants on the east coast at all?
>>317414309
It's for the oh so sophisticated and intelligent people that have read HP Lovecraft
>>317414375
>I mean just the crimes of Vault-Tec rivals those of the Nazis
Well seeing as they were doing the exact same experiments our government did after WW2
>>317414117
You know, for all the bullshit of the game, I liked listening to Eden's speeches on the radio.
>Imagine, a perfect, cloudless day. The sun is warm, welcoming. And on the horizon, they appear, like knights of yore, armed with bats of ash and hickory. Their name? The Capital Congressmen. Their purpose? To make you, dear America, revel in the joy of sport and sunshine. If only for an afternoon
>>317414484
I haven't been on /v/ since its release due to spoiler avoidance.
Was there so much Communism hating in FO1 and FO2 I can't remember?
It's strange because the US was allied with the USSR against China and even in FO1 one of the starting characters you can choose is a Soviet since Soviet diplomats had privileged Vault positions.
>>317414309
both of Bethesda's non-canon spinoffs are exactly that: le ebin Fallout references in a completely unrelated game cause theyre such EPIC Fallout fans
>>317413521
>4 dlc
>return to mojave
>tunnellers are the result of the ancient alien city
>>317414491
Maybe the one dude in charge of keeping the lore from the old games, saw the Master on youtube and thought that he was a robot too.
>>317414546
>can't ask for backstory anymore.
Jesus christ, this. There are times when I would like a little more background on certain things like factions or characters but I simply can't ask anyone shit.
>>317414607
There was an fev vault in 3
Muties captured people and would dunk them in the fev
It's literally part of the main storyline
>>317414630
If I remember correctly, the US was friendly with the USSR only on a "secret" government level. On a public level, they were subjected to the same propaganda as the Chinese were.
I assume they didn't have any reason to be mad at the Soviet Union, since they didn't contest the last oil resources. China on the other hand, decided they should have a slice of the pie.
>>317414630
Nothing I can remember, but by that token you don't have a million useless terminals to read either. Most of the story is from people living in the modern day and not snippets of pre-war life. I haven't played 2 in a while though, but I'd imagine anything you'd hear on the subject would be on the oil rig.
>>317414630
Not really, don't think most people remembered the concept saved for the educated few or possibly the Followers of the Apocalypse. This is if we are talking post war society in Pre-war the USSR-U.S had a hush hush peace agreement
>>317414620
I think it is based on the radio talks that Roosevelt did in the 30's. Must be pretty comfortable having your leader speaking so freely to you.
>>317413457
>>317413369
>>317413672
isn't there still communication up for communicating across the country? like something the enclave might have access to. it can't have all dissapeared
>>317414528
>honestly dunwich is the only intriguing shit they have going for them
>literally just a shallow lovecraft reference
>Lookout changes it to involve literal magic
It's garbage, anon, and you have shit taste for thinking it's interesting
>FO3 they had Dunwich and the railroad. Both interesting and new story.
How can you have such bad taste
>>317414746
But they shouldn't even have FEV that shits supposed to stay in the west, and even then what are the chances of this strain even creating super mutants?
>>317413521
That was kinda shitty, Tunnelers were so fucking minor but then they just tacked on this huge lore-raping thing about them spreading everywhere and killing everything.
>>317414940
Three dog has a dish that can reach to the moon and back, so I assume he can broadcast across America.
>>317414983
power armor is just a shallow wh40k reference :)
>>317414927
>Trump reinstates radio broadcasts to the American people after winning the presidency
Hello America, this is your president speaking. Today, we are going to talk about the wetbacks.
>>317415031
I guess they could just say tunnelers killed the west coast if Beth never lets them touch the setting again.
>>317414983
>Lookout changes it to involve literal magic
What?
>>317415076
nah, its really a starship troopers referance
>>317415009
Look it up on the wiki, I'm pretty sure it was explained how they got some over there.
>>317414746
>literally a shittier version of events in 1
>>317413521
>>317413934
Could just be Ulysses talking shit again.
>>317415009
Also, it was clear that the fev didn't work every time and a lot of people just got horrible tumors and died
>>317414983
>I say it's bad so it's bad
>>317410856
DON'T TALK SHIT ABOUT ZETA GUNDAM
>>317415009
Presumably the government wanted Vault-Tec to continue FEV research even after the world had ended.
I don't see how any of these fucking vault experiments make any sense at all, since we never learn how the vaults are monitored remotely, if at all. And even if they are monitored remotely, it would require tremendous resources extracting whatever use there is in these vaults, seen as how they are scattered all over the US.
>>317415172
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/The_Dark_Heart_of_Blackhall
One of the characters wants the book to use magic to control the swampfolk
>>317415281
Ulysses didn't do anything but talk shit
BEAR AND BULL
>>317415228
>shittier version
the funny thing is that was literally the whole point. Dumb dumbs just dunked person after person into it until it worked, with no refinement or control of the process
>>317410642
anyone else got incredibly bored after vault city?
managed to amass around 30k in caps without barter and just from min maxing with perks/small guns, nothing crazy
>minmax
>game becomes boring
I know, but I wasn't really tryharding. It just seems that after vault city the game bombards you with this tech and caps that the game becomes incredibly easy.
>>317412795
>>317413645
I assume he's talking about Fallout Tactics. It states the BoS's airships were thrown off course by "a great storm", but nothing about super storms. He's right about the jet though, there was no jet in Fallout Tactics. The alternative was after burner gum.
>>317415339
No, they did. The were monitored by Vault 0, which can be seen in Fallout Tacti-
Oh shit, never mind.
>>317412627
I'm pretty sure that if you give jericho cigarettes he will chainsmoke them
>>317415339
They were built with the idea that there wasn't actually going to be nuclear war. Keeping people safe after the apocalypse was a feature they added to convince people to sign up
>>317415496
>that chinnook
>in fact, everything in that image
>>317415281
Pretty much the whole DLC in a nutshell.
>>317415480
It's an apt metaphor for Bethesda's handling of the series, too
>>317415609
But then what is the point of the vault? No one lived in them except maintenance staff and people who were inn on the secret gig. The actual test subjects wouldn't arrive unless nuclear war happened.
>>317413905
So I told Walter to open DO NOT OPEN marked shipment to Vault 111... he actually did it the absolute madman hahahahahahaha!
>>317415585
See, how do they remember cool stuff like that, but mess up so many other things. Makes me think the actual guys doing the dev work are dedicated, but the upstairs guts doing story and overall design mess it up.
>>317415614
You don't like Jap zeros escorting rocket powered chinooks and airships?
>>317415643
He was crazy, but he never lied to us that we know of
>>317415734
Despite what the intro to 4 shows, most vaults were filled up long before the bombs dropped.
>>317414309
>Dunwich
I never saw that in FO3 but I just stumbled upon the Dunwich borers and man that whole place fucked me up.
Dark, scary mining + flashbacks + ghouls outta nowhere + Cult shit? Sign me the fuck up for NOPE
Got some free mini nukes and a ballin laser rifle though
>>317415770
Because they don't give a shit about lore from previous games they never made.
>>317415770
It really does feel that way. Even in 4, there's a lot of cool stuff where you can tell the person who made it cares, but there's no consistency to it at all.
The people who plan it are garbage, but the people who make it are alright
>>317415837
I can't remember anything about that in the earlier games. Doesn't FO3 and earlier games state many vaults were left partially unmanned since the participants didn't give a fuck about the sirens due to too many excercises?
>>317415339
There's been some vault-tec notes saying they never actually thought nuclear war was going to happen. While I've never really seen any mention of it directly, it seems like there was going to be a point where they would push people into the vaults at some point, regardless of nuclear war.
>>317415884
HATE NOT RESPECTING ESTABLISHED LORE
>>317416038
[X] Sarcastic
>>317415339
>>317415609
The vault experiments were intended to help the Enclave prepare for resettling after the war.
Letting Virgil transform back into a human from the FEV virus is the ultimate proverbial kick in the face for the series.
>Jet is a highly addictive drug first synthesized by Myron. It is extracted from brahmin dung fumes and administered via an inhaler.
Why is it so hard to assume no one on the east coast thought about huffing brahmin shit?
Was there any shit in any of the Fallout's before 4 that had an indication of how someone actually operated power armor? 3 and NV had it just as generic armor you wore, which seemed to be mostly laziness and oversight. And now in 4 we have the whole Iron-man action going on. Was 4 the first to tackle this, or was there something else before hand?
>>317416352
More like pissing in a sea of piss
>>317416372
You should read the whole article
>>317416434
It's somewhat implied by the recon armour in NV. The description says it's wore underneath power armour.
>>317415857
Sounds like you missed this sweet machete. I mean, so did I, because it's all under water and the damn thing fell into some crevice I could never find, so I had to command-console it into my bags.
>>317416372
>actually thinking of huffing brahmin shit
As we all know, FEV has been the scourge of the post war wasteland. It was released into the ecosystem with a ground strike by a Chinese nuke directly on top of the West Tek facility. We know that the Unity and Overseer both confirm that FEV is pretty much endemic to the wasteland and caused much of the mutations we see in fallout. The Enclave, Overseer of vault 13, and the Unity all agree to its dominant presence in the wasteland and its ecosystem.
We all also know that the Enclave’s plan was to bunker down, weather the fallout, then reemerge and take control of the wasteland. With FEV in the ecosystem, the escaped experiments, and the mutations out in the world their plans of rebuilding was ruined. Since the Enclave didn’t hop on a ship and colonize another planet, and the multitude of failed vaults, it’s safe to say their plan B was foiled before it even got off the ground.
The Enclave in Fallout 2 even stated FEV was an impediment to their plans, and needed to be wiped off the face of the earth with a counter virus. They tried this again in Fallout 3, indirectly proving the FEV had worked its way all across the United States.
FEV single handedly stopped the Enclave's plans and stopped their plan of world domination dead in its tracks. China accidentally stopped the Enclave dead in its tracks and laughs were had by everyone for their good fortune, right?
Not quite, as the Chinese didn’t accidentally stop the Enclave. They knew what they were doing. They knew about the Enclave. They knew what West Tek was, what it was doing, and what would happen if a nuke hit it. They would know all this quite easily.
We know that China had an insane amount of spies spread throughout the United States. We find them all over DC, the Pitt, Point Look out, we find traces of them in the Mojave and even infiltration of top secret labs researching biological weapons that almost no one knew about.
>>317416352
Fuck the writers for pulling the ONE DOSE OF THIS ULTRA-POWERFUL TREATMENT REMAINS card twice in the same game.
>>317416558
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenkem
You'd be surprised.
>>317416558
People literally huff shit now in 2015
>>317416372
Doesn't also say in the Wiki that drinking it or injecting it will make your heart explode?
>>317416671
>>317416769
But why would you do that
>>317414546
Sometimes you can ask for background, but if there's ever two options for that, you're fucked because picking one locks you into that branch of dialogue.
If there are "Ask about A" and "Ask about B" options on the wheel, asking about one keeps you from ever asking about the other.
And people still ask why others have issue with the wheel.
>>317416646
The Chinese also knew about Liberty Prime, the Pentagon’s dirty little secret. Oddly enough, they finger West Tek as a possible collaborator.
In order to know about a secret lab like Sub Level 1c and to know it contains a biological weapon demands almost total penetration of the US government. This would likely compromise practically all research labs, military bases, and any storage or armories including West Tek as a government delegation was on site directing West Tek into avenues of research and reporting back the often disastrous findings.
The same delegation also moved FEV from West Tek to Mariposa for safety reasons, locking down the experiments so that even the military staff didn't know about it, prompting a rebellion when they did find out about FEV. This radio silence cut the Chinese off from knowing anything more and any other place FEV is sent after Mariposa. However, they didn’t need to hit Mariposa as West Tek was still a depository of FEV. Hitting West Tek also has the distinct advantage of correlating perfectly with the westerlies, air currents that will lead the airborne FEV across the continental United States. On top of all this, West Tek dropped off the grid , cutting China off from knowing anything more than FEV being in West Tek. This explains why Mariposa never got bunker busted. They knew the flaws FEV had due to the incoming reports of its limitations leading up the war that were relayed back to the federal government, and they in turn used it against the Enclave. They would know the characteristics of FEV, which means they knew FEV couldn’t be destroyed by a nuke, and largely couldn’t be removed.
The point is, China would have enough reliable information presented to them to form this plan. The weather patterns, the characteristics of FEV, everything. With the information from ZAX, the Chinese could assume that FEV was incurable and permanent.
>>317416851
Never underestimate human stupidity.
>>317416557
>in Dunwhich Mine
>at the well, but don't know it yet
>being attacked by ghouls, backing up while Powerfisting
>back up into well
>sink like a fucking rock
>mfw
Let me tell you, dragging a full suit of T60 back to the surface was a bitch and a half. The frame itself is still down there, no way to get it back, but I had five frames back at Red Rocket at that point.
>>317416851
It's popular with the spear-chucking variety of dindus, mostly because they can't get anything else.
>>317410712
Can't we just consider Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 an au?
I mean, technically Fallout New Vegas is the only 3D game which as proper lore geared with Fallout 1 and Fallout 2.
>>317416557
Actually I totally found itand had to leave some stuff behind because I just have so many weapons on me at any given moment, it just isn't important to me because I'm unarmed. Whole place scared me to shit though, especially since my radio cut out a few times and it was just dead silence and headlamp light
and punching things to death feels so damn good
>mfw I punched my first coarser to death, the killing machine of the institute with two perks in unarmed only
died like a little bitch
>>317416554
>In the pre-War days, big meat companies had experimented with a cheap protein extract for growing food. However, the product had to be abandoned because any bacterial contamination (even from common skin bacteria) resulted in a complex reaction, ruining any meat and causing it to act like methamphetamine. To cut their losses, farmers fed the extract to their cattle.
>Myron discovered that the fumes generated from brahmin who had been fed the contaminated protein extract could be used to create a powerful drug.
> big meat companies had experimented with a cheap protein extract
So it's completely possible people on east coast had this as well and fed it to their brahmin
and then people huffed the brahmin shit and realized they should make a drug off the fumes.
>>317416934
>>317416646
What you're saying is pretty interesting, as it gives explanation as to why Vault 87 (a FEV facility) was directly hit by a nuke, while all others were left alone.
>>317417040
pandering=!proper lore
>>317417085
But lack the knowledge to fully produce jet, just huffing on brahmin shit fumes.
>>317416934
With all this, the damning evidence is the pattern of the nukes. The majority of nukes that were launched were all air burst. The ground bursts only appear at places with significant value, symbolic or not. The first ground strike we see is at West Tek “that just so happened” to release the agent that single handedly foiled the Enclave conspiracy.
The second was at Fort Bannister, which contained some interesting artifacts to say the least and a recovered alien body. It is also no coincidence that the Enclave tends to use reversed engineered alien technology and that was the source of their power. The third was Vault 87's front door, which also got hit with a ground strike. it’s no coincidence that 2 FEV depositories get hit by bunker busters. This one being disguised as a simple vault. What other vault got singled out the way vault 87 did? The answer is none.
Fort Constantine, with its stockpile of nukes, wasn’t hit. Hopeville and its many nuclear silos wasn’t hit by a bunker buster, as that came later. Indeed, the vast majority of army bases and other places weren’t hit with the ferocity that these 4 places were.
All 4 of these places had value to the Enclave and contained government secrets that China would never know about if it didn’t have deep penetration of the government, or knowledge of the Enclave. China repeatedly singled out places with strong Enclave ties using bunker busters.
Even the bunkers near Black mountain, which was almost hit with a bunker buster, held value to the Enclave as it was meant to be a forward operating base in the event a “crisis” happened just like the remnants bunker near jacobstown. A base that is close enough for the Enclave to extend their reach beyond the Oil Rig.
Hidden valley was abandoned and filled with graffiti. Why launch a nuke to hit a supposedly abandoned base far away from where anything is happening? Yet "just so happens" to hold a vast importance to the post war Enclave plan?
>>317417270
The only answer: China was corralling the Enclave’s post war presence and limiting their influence without destroying the oil rig and its oil directly. Even a pre war Chinese naval computer, the Emperor v8.8, tells you the location of the Oil Rig, and called it the "enclave Compound." The Enclave’s post war plans lie in ruins and their “shield” of sitting on top of oil becomes worthless.
It becomes obvious that the Chinese weren’t firing nukes to places important to America, but rather to the Enclave. The Chinese were fighting the Enclave in the great war and they knew it. The fact that they didn’t target the Pentagon, and its little surprise in its basement that wasn’t a surprise to the Chinese, partially due to America announcing it, and turned it into a crater is a testament to that. The Pentagon didn't get hit with multiple bunker busters like Bannister did, reducing it into a huge crater.
China never touched the more strategic locations with bunker busters. Likewise, purely American symbolic buildings Congress, the Washington Monument, and the Lincoln memorial are all still standing despite having vast symbolic importance to America sitting within a major population center.
All the bunker busters launched at America were methodical, and every ground strike was at a site of Enclave importance. China wasn’t blindly firing at whatever looked important, it was a surgical dismantling of the Enclave and its sources of power.
With FEV no longer under their direct control, they can no longer use bio weapons to exert control, as they tried with Death claws in Fallout 2
Without alien technology, they can no longer reverse engineer advanced weaponry.
With FEV in the wild, the bioweapons and mutants meant for China get unleashed on America and in turn the Enclave. The Enclave, instead of rebuilding with survivors and using the locked away FEV for backup now finds itself in a world where they sit at the bottom of the food chain.
>>317417270
Is this deduction from your part, or is it all written somewhere?
Makes perfect sense though.
>>317417261
It's as if you think the east coast has no scientists at all.
The only real problem in this whole thing is the fact that they are both called Jet.
It's completely reasonable for people to discover the effects of huffing shit from extract fed brahmin. Calling it Jet in both cases is where the issue arises and implies communication from coast to coast.
>>317416871
>Talk to doctor Li about rejoining the brotherhood immediately
>This prevents the dialogue where she gives you the chip to teleport
>You get locked into the Institute forever
That's right folks, you can break the main quest by following the main quest.
>>317416646
>>317416934
>>317417270
>>317417493
Holy shit. That makes perfect sense.
Can someone get this shit together as an image for later use?
>>317417696
You get the gist of why the nukes were launched by playing the games in consecutive order.
>>317417509
Probably not enough scientist to care to make drugs given the situation provided for us in FO3, however you have good point there and also the drug having the same results, but that wouldn't really matter. What get's you high get's you high right?
>>317413098
I'm going to have to completely disagree with you, since to me it felt like this game has absolutely zero unique assets to it, so each dungeon feels exactly like the last one.
>>317417226
Hey Todd
>>317417493
When did the enclave form?
>>317417498
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/FEV
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Hoover_Dam_Sub-Level_1C
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Chinese_Intelligence_Report:_Liberty_Prime#Chinese_Intelligence_Report:_Liberty_Prime
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Chinese_Intelligence_Report:_Liberty_Prime#Chinese_Intelligence_Report:_Liberty_Prime
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/FEV_experiment_disk
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Mariposa
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/The_Glow#cite_note-5
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Outcast_outpost_terminal_entries#9.2F06.2F77
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/ZAX.MSG
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Bannister_crater
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Aliens
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Aliens#cite_note-Fo3GuideBckg-1
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Vault_87#Accessing_Vault_87
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Enclave#cite_note-Bible0March2077-1
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Divide
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Hidden_Valley
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fsempter.msg
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Anchorage_terminal_entries#Chinese_Intelligence_Report:_Liberty_Prime
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Citadel_terminal_entries
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Intelligent_deathclaw
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Domestication_unit
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Federal_surveillance_center_K-21B
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Sentinel_site
>>317418245
They formed Pre-war as a shadow government. As for the date of their foundation I can't say for sure other then maybe 2050-2060?
>>317413785
Enclave had vaults all over the place. There even one in fallout 4 in the glowing sea. They didn't nessecarily move everything.
>>317418561
Shit that filename is wrong, that's 3, this is 4.
THE DEEPEST LORE
>>317417270
>Vault 87
Nope. Stop this shit.
Vault 87 was a thing because Bethesda confused Vault Tec with West Tek.
There is no single reason for a Vault to have a FEV. None at all.
>>317417889
To be fair it doesn't have to originate at FO3. It's in FO4 which came before FO3 so who knows who had it first!
Either way it probably should have been named differently considering the effects of Jet are inconsistent between games suggesting they aren't necessarily all the same as the Jet you find in FO2.
>>317416665
I'm more amused by the amount of times people went 'We NEVER let Outsiders in except for you.'
>>317418703
Fucking Bethesda
>>317417696
here you go
As someone who has very little fallout knowledge (I regretfully admit to having picked the series up at 3, and while I plan to play 1 and 2, I haven't yet gotten around to it) is there any chance of a Fallout taking place in China, or perhaps up near American annexed Canada?
NV makes references to a place called Ronto, so I suppose it's possible there's an Ontario wasteland out there somewhere. Honestly, the Great Lakes region would be a pretty cool place to have a Fallout game. The Detroit/Windsor area, Niagra Falls, and the Greater Toronto area would all make neat settings, assuming pre-existing lore hasn't already wiped the areas off the map.
>>317418560
I didn't find an Enclave vault in the glowing sea.
>>317418849
Who other than the institute did that?
>>317418867
Fukkin saved
>>317418910
Well, what we are given is that China kinda or just got the front end of the fuck off stick so we could assume that it was a hell of a lot worse off then the U.S so the chances are small. Now Canada is a tricky pickle since they had suffered Two Wars. One with the U.S which appeared to be pretty destructive and they nuclear war itself. Doesn't necessarily mean there's nothing out there but there might not be much given which year you'd want it to take place in.
>>317418867
This is some good fan fiction.
>>317418910
Most fallout fans would belittle you for even asking the question, stating that Fallout is all about muh american 50's optimism and shit.
But I think a spin-off in China would be a pretty fun game. Of course it'll never happen, since Bethesda can only produce one every half a decade, but a man can dream.
why was the entire brotherhood of retards so afraid of the enclave?
>>317418961
it's the pyramid thing or Federal surveillance center K-21B
>>317418849
>Preston makes you Minuteman general right after meeting you
>Danse makes you a Knight right after meeting you
It happens in a lot of games but you barely have to work for anyone's trust.
>>317419026
guessing Vault 81
>>317419402
Which Brotherhood?
>>317416646
>>317416934
>>317417270
>>317417493
If this is true I wonder if there is a secret "developer Fallout bible" where they drop hints at this throughout the games.
It also makes me think will China appear in another Fallout game. China launched first so obviously their Government was tucked safe away in Vaults to reemerge.
I wonder if a future Fallout game will have the Enclave appear stronger than ever then China rocks up as ironically the "good guys" to curbstomp them.
>>317419270
I don't get why people always say China would be way worse off than the US. It's the US who suffered at the hands of their own super weapons, while China presumably only suffered dirty bombs. I suppose we can assume that China also suffers from FEV like effects, but no way near the same as the US I'm guessing.
Although the number of ghouls must be staggering.
>>317419026
The inhabited Vault. The BoS, The Railroad, probably more. I remember hearing it almost everywhere I went.
>>317419428
>Vault 81
What a fucking glitched piece of shit that place is
>>317419492
>China only hit by dirty bombs
Wat? Where is this stated?
>>317419539
The Brotherhood and the Vault 81 let a bunch of people in.
All of the factions in FO4 are so ridiculous, except the minutemen, which are boring as fuck.
Even Caesar's Legion was more reasonable/realistic than most of these factions.
>DEATH TO ALL SYNTHS REGARDLESS OF CONTEXT
>YOU BETTER TAKE A BULLET FOR A SYNTH FAGGOT, NO MATTER WHAT
>DUDE SYNTHS LMAO ADVANCE TECHNOLOGIES
>HELLO GENERAL READY TO DO NOTHING
>>317417509
>>317418839
The Jet is mentioned in Fallout 4 as a pre-war drug.
And the West Coast has much more of a Brahmin/farmer culture than the East Coast. They have Brahmin barons in the West Coast.
The Jet creation was motivated by the Mordino family wanting to control New Reno, it was extremely accidental.
They used Brahmin shit as fertilizer for their shrooms and then noticed that the slaves working on fertilizer vats were getting high from the fumes.
AND to get the dosage right it took "about a hundred slaves". And the side effects until they got the dosage right was "mostly heart attacks, cerebral hemorrhages, psychotic episodes...that sort of thing."
Bethesda has no regards for the lore.
>>317419403
The place with all the nukes? I didn't find any enclaveness to it at all neither did I when i explored the K-21B vault.
Did i miss something?
>>317419443
the guys from san francisco
they want you to steal vertibird blueprints from the enclave because they don't want to do it themselves
>>317419704
What they say and what they do are different.
>>317419491
There's the normal fallout bible made by the original writers that spell out pretty much the entire settings events.
>>317418910
There was a cancelled game which was going to feature the Pacific Northwest and China.
>>317419676
Those were the nuclear weapons utilized by the super powers in the Fallout universe. They didn't use Tsar Bombas, but instead low yield atomic weapons that spread radioactive fallout all over the place. It's the reason why there is so little destructive damage, and so much radioactive damage.
>>317416665
Three times
>vault 81
>Virgil
>Cabot House
>>317419876
Ok that's fair, but what did you mean when you said "the US suffered from its own superweapons but China only got hit by dirty bombs"?
>>317419492
The reasoning is that people see the Great War as basically a reverse switch for human civilization. All the standards of the world revert to caveman levels, and work their way back up (this time, with plans)
So people take China, and the culture that they already have (Huge amounts of people pushed into small areas, immense pollution and Communism doing it's business all over it), and bring it down the same way that America did, AND add in longer lasting radiation, and that gives us MAJORLY fucked up China.
>>317419783
There's a bunch of people in 81 that are outsiders, like the hairdresser. And iirc, the brotherhood qt with Danse joined up as an adult
>>317419492
It's really a guess off the population density of China itself and the U.S ground forces pushing in mainland and given how the U.S treated Canada I can't imagine how they treated the Chinese populous then.
>>317419761
Oh The original BoS. So despite both their limited manpower the Enclave still had tech to outclass the brotherhood and well they were fairly unknown to the brotherhood still. Why fight an enemy you don't know or understand?
>>317419740
>The Jet is mentioned in Fallout 4 as a pre-war drug.
Then the problem is the naming.
The effects as I already mentioned are not consistent which does suggest that they are not the same drug.
It's just the fact that that bethesda used the same name for both.
>>317419270
That's interesting, though I have to say, Mainland China is a fucking enormous place, with long stretches between the important shit. There would have to be something, somewhere, right? Of course I agree with >>317419304 that the series is more about The 50's American WOOOORLD OF TOMORROOOOOW~ gone wrong than portraying a broad spectrum of interesting post-apocalyptic locations.
To be honest, setting all gameplay and engine disputes aside, I thought FO3 and NV complemented each other well from a setting point of view. The temperate Capitol Wasteland, followed by the more arid Mojave Desert. Fallout 4 has a good Aesthetic, if you ask me, mostly because they didn't shy away from adding a splash of color to the world this time around, but in terms of game atmosphere, it really doesn't feel that far from Fallout 3.
I really hope that, whether it's made by Bethesda or Obsidian, the next Fallout takes place in a more frigid, or maybe humid climate. Either irradiated tundra, or flooded and devastated Florida Keys, instead of more Big Ruined City and its surrounding rural areas.
>>317419876
Except Washington DC which was hit by special mountain-creating nukes which turned everything green.
>>317420003
Oh damn you're right. Honestly the whole Cabot story feels completely out of place in the Fallout universe.
>>317418910
>>317419304
>>317419492
China doesn't exist anymore. Even if you believe Mothership Zeta shouldn't be cannon, there's a lot of evidence in the lore that says China got completely fucked by nukes since America was a production powerhouse that I'm way too lazy to look up.
It'd be interesting to see what happened to the UK or something, but I think keeping it in America is best for the franchise.
>>317420147
Sending wastelanders on suicide missions as a rite of entry was sort of BoS standard fare.
>>317420552
I want a game in Midwest america
Plenty of space between important locations that would allow people to survive
Would be sweet to explore a secret bunker in the black Hills of South Dakota, maybe inside Rushmore
>>317420106
It's likely wrong, perhaps I shouldn't have said that. What I mean is that the US is probably just as bad as China. But the US is suffering from things like FEV, and the Chinese accidentally let and American plague loose on the civilian population. Extrapolating from this, we can assume that the US biological weapons are now exposed to the world.
The same is probably true for China though. Maybe less so in the FEV aspect, but probably true in all others.
>>317420687
Fallout Tactics.
I suppose that China is just as fucked as the USA, right?
I wish we could see some other places besides burgerland.
>>317420117
Hairdresser is the only outsider. They trade with three or four caravans. A few people explicitly hate you for being an outsider, including security. People often say 'Man, we never let in Outsiders. Except for the barber.'
Danse's scribe is nice to you because she was an outsider, and recognizes how hard it is to be an outsider in the BoS. Because 'they never let in outsiders'.
It's a recurring theme in the game. Everyone is paranoid. Nobody likes outsiders. You're always an outsider because you come from another world. Am I the only one that noticed the endemic paranoia? It's run right up there alongside the theme of 'tribalism means war never changes'.
why aren't there more talking deathclaws? I didn't kill them, there should be more of them
>>317420403
Well, as you saw in Megaton, the devs have no idea what a nuke looks like. The one there is supposed to be dropped from an aircraft, but I can't picture any strategic bombers managing to fly over continental US while there is a nuclear storm rupturing the world.
>>317420552
Europe is worse off than the US because reasons according to FO3.
>>317420117
>>317420843
Play with subtitles on, you might actually catch some of the fucking dialogue.
>>317420552
>I thought that was some retarded glare of the sun
Oh OHHHHHHH
>>317420753
>tactics
Bleh
>>317420908
Wasn't it an american bomber that crashed?
>>317412132
The 12 year old defense
Attention to detail is important unless you're a dumb kid with a shit attention span.
>>317420814
>why does this american series take place in America?
Why indeed.
>>317420147
But the US offensive was bogged down in Manchuria or some shit, wasn't it? I can't imagine they had occupied vast stretches of China, although they must obviously have winning. Else China wouldn't have launched the nukes (assuming they started it, as is heavily implied)
I was talking to Captain Kells and he talks about how there were less advanced airships built on the West Coast. Is that a nod to Tactics? I dont really remember the BOS using them anywhere else, though I havent touched 1 and 2 for a while
>>317420937
Why do people still have Russian and Irish accents?
>>317420717
Ah ok fair enough
Maybe they can go exotic in the next game, and go to southeast Asia or south America. Giant mutated panthers and horned beetles anyone?
>>317421000
I don't think so. The city is built from aircraft debris, but it is stated they hauled it from some place I think. No idea where, as there is no airfield nearby. Seems much more logical to just build it in the ruins of nearby Springvale.
I could be wrong though.
>>317421096
It might be a reference to the fact that vertibirds are an Enclave design and shouldn't have existed Pre-war, which is what the BoS uses in FO4
>>317421145
Because those cultures still exist all over the world.
>>317415979
There a few things about that. But as far as I remember they were in the vault and just didn't know the bombs dropped.
>>317420937
Why would Europe be fucked? They likely wouldn't have been much of a target in the nuclear war, since they fucked themselves out the ass preceeding that event. So they probably escaped most of the bombing.
>>317421027
That wasnt what I asked.
>>317421239
You'd need a large enough culture to keep the accent from dying out.
The Irish maybe. The Russians? In Diamond City?
>>317419876
Nuclear weapons in fallout are pretty inconsistent though
>fallout 1 and 2, basically normal lowish yield nukes that irradiate the area forever
>fallout 3, nukes aren't that big a deal, can blow up a shanty town at best
>new vegas, nukes are literally nothing, can stand 10 feet away from a warhead blowing up with no adverse effects
>fallout 4, more powerful than the originals, can destroy a city and leave a huge irradiated crater for centuries
>>317421145
>can't ask Dukov about the USSR
>can't ask Tenpenny about the UK
>can't ask that faggot Irishman in Megaton about Ireland
Having grown up in a vault, I assume some basic geography and history was taught to the Lone Wanderer.
>>317421145
It makes as much sense as your character understanding 23rd century English instantly.
>>317421303
Europe and the middle east took turns glassing themselves over resources.
I AM GONNA PUNCH FRANK IN HIS FACE
>>317421517
You're from Boston, you already speak gibberish.
>prewar US deploys mechanized cavalry divisions (ie, power armor) to the Chinese-mainland campaign
>goes from being a resource-straining logistical fuckup to roflstomping all over the Chinese because China literally can't deal with power armor at all
>Brotherhood camps at Helios One
>NCR removes brotherhood with 20:1 odds and major casualties on both sides
why
>>317421567
I can't remember the Middle East dishing out any glassing in Europe, but I do remember the Middle East turning into a smoldering crater. However the European Union did disband, and all the members turned on each other like Europeans are always doing.
>>317421303
Climate is fucked the world over, but there are presumably parts that are more habitable than others.
>>317421517
You could probably explain the consistency in english over the centuries thanks to the Institute staying the same and the Vaults slowly opening over the years
>>317421684
I thought the bible mentions Middle eastern extremists detonating suitcase nukes all over europe.
>>317421656
Sort of strange, isn't it? You'd think an rpg would take care of any power armor.
>>317421656
Because the brotherhood is nowhere near equal to the entire US military?
It's not hard to understand.
>>317421794
Wasn't that only in Tel Aviv in Israel? I don't remember.
>>317421656
Helios is a terrible position to defend, and the NCR have 10x the amount of troops
>>317421684
Tel Aviv in Israel got vaporized by a terrorist nuke I think
>>317421804
Maybe? I mean, try and hit a moving, slightly-larger-than-man-sized target with one, at a hundred yards.
And no homing, because >integrated circuits
>>317421846
It was the entire US military vs the entire Chinese military. Not to mention but China is literally THE "infinite manpower" nation. And it was an offensive campaign, so it's not like they were using the PA to hold defensive positions while the chinese threw themselves at them; they were marching out there and kicking shit in. Part of the drive towards nuclear annihilation was China's mounting desperation.
>>317421994
That would be difficult of course, but I just can't help thinking the Chinese could easily develop a one man weapon that could easily dispose of power armor. But it's not like it matters, they were losing anyway.
I wonder if the war had continued a bit further, Mama Dolce's would have launched it's turncoat invasion on Washington.
I'm firmly on the stance that hawaii would be the next best place for a fallout game. there would be a whole lot of military tech over there and since it's relatively smaller than a state you could make a lot larger of a scale for it. also. what are the confirmed "not nuked" places in fallout lore?
>new zealand
>japan
>australia
>far east russia?
Is there anything that tells us about the state of the rest of the Americas, Southeast asia and Australia or is the USA the only country that has survived the Great War?
>>317422216
I bet the didn't waste nukes on all the various islands in the Pacific. Cuba prob got nuked tho. Who confirmed Japan didn't get hit? Also, of they weren't hit, why haven't they taken over the world?
>>317422403
There are characters from countries like the USSR and the UK. They don't talk about their home though, but presumably they are suffering just the same as the US.
What have the oceans turned into at this point? FEV affects everything on the planet, is there some Cthulhu-esque shit under the sea no ones had to deal with?
>>317422212
>I wonder if the war had continued a bit further, Mama Dolce's would have launched it's turncoat invasion on Washington.
Who? F4 stuff?
>>317422447
I think it's because most people in San Fransisco in Fallout 2 are Japanese immigrants
>>317422447
They're too busy making tenctacle hentai in live action.
>>317422447
well, if we assume the events of world war 2 continued the same way they did as in real life, japan could have been nuked as they are an "ally" of the USA and have some american military bases, but I can't imagine china wasting nukes there, they needed them all to destroy america. it's very possible japan did not experience the huge boom of technological advancement as in real life and don't have access to nuclear power, so they probably slowly devolved into an agrarian society if they couldn't power any of their technology since oil is pretty much gone.
>>317422447
>Who confirmed Japan didn't get hit? Also, of they weren't hit, why haven't they taken over the world?
Isn't Japan still a staging point for the US Pacific Fleet in the Fallout universe? Being a strategic American asset, and being so close to China, I imagine it would be a prime target for a nuke or two.
>>317422604
Next fallout game set in Indonesia, traveling between islands and having to deal with exotic mutant rainforest and ocean animals sounds cool
>>317422673
They are Chinese inhabitants.
>>317421760
It's a shame they can't really be creative with postapocalypse languages without making the game annoying to play.
And not even the Institute would be able to keep people using the same dialect of English for 200 years, there would probably be a 'high' variety for technical usage (like medieval Latin) and a more colloquial variety.
The worst part about fallout 4 isn't the lore rape, I mean its bad but its not game breakingly annoying, no the worst part is the amazing laziness of the game developers. Fallout 4's game world is amazing but the people and factions? Fucking stupid. I'll give you an example which contains some spoilers. When you go to rescue nick valentine from the vault controlled by the gunners faction there is no diplomacy, you walk in and they start shooting you, so you kill ~ 20 people, rescue nick and then as you are sort of leaving, there is a forced conversation where you can speech check your way out peacefully.......after murdering 20 henchmen for absolutely no reason.
>>317422673
I thought it was Chinese. A chinese nuclear missile sub that ran aground?
>>317422620
No. In FO3, the food company Mama Dolce's is shown to be a cover for not only a Chinese radio station urging people to civil disobedience and betraying the US government, but also a smugler for Chinese weapons into the US. Probably to be used in an uprising of some sort. It's the reason why there are so many chinese assault rifles in DC.
What's interesting about that location, is that the employees are still alive. They're ghouls, but they are alive. And since they are utilizing weapons, I guess we can assume they aren't feral. So these Chinese infiltrators have spent the last 200 years working at a food company, bringing about the destruction of America, despite the world's end.
>>317422716
Japan would be the staging point for a US invasion of China, I think it would be the first place the Chinese would hit with a nuke.
>>317422604
In FO4, there is a raider tugboat that has caught some dolphins. They've mutated to have sharp long teeth and are presumably carnivorus for more than just fish.
>>317422810
>guy comes unexpectingly
>kills everyone
>leader gets scared tries to talk it out rather than die
I don't see the problem here.
haven't played 4 yet, is the chosen one still the mc who achieved the most?
did the lone wanderer ever accomplish anything?
>>317422212
Remember, not all of the brotherhood of steel are paladins. The small arms fire may not have done much, but enough armor piercing ammo and explosive weapons the army would eventually wear out. The NCR was assaulting them, and they weren't trying to move. So they were forced in a position where they were just getting chipped down, with little time to make repairs on the suit.
Let's settle this once and for all.1 > NV > 2 > 3 > Tactics > 4
>>317411273
To be honest, a lot of those things can be explained.
Magazines for 35 - pretty standard price inflation between 2070 and 2015, boston having more vertibirds due to there being a massive army presence, the ghoul might not have actually invented jet, but found an old magazine.
Your family was incredibly well off. High rank vet (I mean you're going to a vet ball), lawyer wife. They were rich.
The main issue betheda has in boston still being a decrepit shithole, even if places like diamond city have been inhabited for decades.
>>317423000
Now that's pretty cool. Why can't they make a fallout deep sea fishing game?
>>317411175
Shit looks like textures havent rendered yet.
>>317423091
>NV before 2
>3 before 4
stay on reddit
>>317411295
skyscrappers are actually really problematic.
a) you need a lot of power to get basic things like water up to the upper floors.
b) would you feel safe in a 200 year old unmaintained skyscrapper?
>>317411191
They were hit by the blast wave, but it wasn't the full impact. Sanctuary and that town are on the outskirts of the map, so were not so badly hit by the blast.
I assume you know how nuclear blast damage works, but pic related anyway.
Essentially they got damaged by the remaining shockwave and crashed, and much like the rest of the US forces who survived the initial strike they went around trying to keep law and order as the nuclear apocalypse went on. A lot of people went into hiding in subways while others soon died to radiation or became ghouls/ferals. We do know power armour keeps you safe from radiation, so it's likely US soldiers wearing it could have survived for sometime.
>>317416970
This is why I always quicksave when I see so much as a puddle while in power armor.
>>317423105
Vertibirds were a prototype made by the enclave post war though, that's what the issue is. Beth just didn't really play the previous games, they do their own thang.
>>317423091
>Tactics at 5th place.
Do you even play Fallout?
>playing NV for the first time
What are some cool areas to look out for?
>>317423127
In my head I imagined a slaver faction in which they dressed up like New England Fishermen, and cherish moby dick. The leader would live out on a barge at sea, and would dispatch smaller boats up and down the coast raiding and slaving.
The slaves that are no good for sale, would be taken out on the ocean and used as shark bait. One of the quests would involve a sequence where you end up being taken out to the sea, and cinefuckingmatic experience where you fight off a shark after getting free.
>>317413082
>Fallout 3 and its DLCs are produced by Bethesda, therefore is canon, as are all other games and supplementary materials released by Bethesda.
"we bought it so now we pick and choose whats canon"
thats not very good reasoning on why somthing is canon
>>317423219
where did the nuke hit in boston anyway? i haven't seen any craters so far
>>317423058
Yes that would make sense, but they are automatically hostile to you no matter what in the first place, you cant buy his freedom, or do a job for his freedom or speech check his freedom from the start, you are literally forced into killing 20 people and then theres a speech check.
>>317411631
Because no one in the fanbase considers it canon and it isn't talked about in the paid reviews.
>>317423463
Seems they hit a little bit all over the place. The biggest nuke though, the one you see in the intro, hit in the lower left corner of the map. But around the map you will find huge craters in the middle of populated areas that are likely from some kind of bomb impact.
>>317423517
I dislike how they did the gunners in F4. They're supposed to be a mercenary company that deals in weapon trading. Yet no matter what, any gunner mook you run into is just a raider in different armor.
>>317423436
wait i should have worded that better
>>317416646
>>317416934
>>317417270
>>317417493
This is fucking awesome. Props to you, dude.
>>317423550
>Because no one in the fanbase considers it canon
Everyone considers it fucking canon, even people that don't like it. Where are you getting this?
>>317423405
quarry junction
>>317423405
Honestly, even though the enemies are harder going straight towards the yangzee memorial (Deathclaws.) there's a nice shack near it with some stuff and if you are good you can go on through the danger area almost unscathed. If you are good.
>That awful feeling as you cant finish New Vegas up
I am right there! All I have left to do for story/quest hubs is that tiny sliver of the map from sloan up to the thorn, and do the Brotherhood questlines, + for auld land syne.
Just can't commit myself to it anymore right now, fuck the brotherhood of steels quests suck a massive dick.
>>317423550
since bethesda owns fallout any games made with their permission and commissioned by them are by default canon unless stated otherwise. and if you have a more floaty view of what "canon" means, NV has some of the ORIGINAL WRITERS from the first games.
>>317423651
They're just the Talon Company in a different colour.
Their unfortunate naming is misleading, as I don't think they are associated with the Gun Runners of NV and FO2.
>>317423517
What do you expect from a hostile group? Them to be all friendly and such at first?
They are a shoot first, talk later kind of people and unless you have the right friend inside you're not talking first ever.
>>317411532
>>317411608
So jet is jankem?
>>317423739
They aren't associated at all? I was assuming it was the same group as its the same fucking name.
>>317423710
I was pretty far into the game but lost my save and I haven't been able to motivate myself to play through everything again just to get back to where I was.
>>317423695
Fuck you.
>>317423703
I'm not good.
What are caps backed by in the east?
How do Super Mutants exist in the east?
Why is Washington D.C. not a crater?
Where did the Enclave find more unmutated humans?
Why would anyone settle near an undetonated nuke
Where does anyone in the Capital Wasteland get food
Why does Power Armor suddenly need charges
>>317423808
Close to it, yes.
>>317423973
You could stealth it or go around and make a mad dash where the last two deathclaws patrol. Always a fun little adrenaline rush before knabing a uniform off a dead trooper and hopping the train.
>>317422564
Assuming they migrated, that's kind of hard to believe. Coming from Russia is kind of easier because there's the Bering strait, but coming from the UK? That's thousands of miles of sea, you'd have to have a ship big enough to endure days and days of sailing and that's not even counting the storms.
What happens to the Soviet Union in fallout's lore?
I remember the president in FO2 stating that they made them go back to the stone age.
But was that only China or the URSS as well?
I remember reading somewhere that they didnt get into conflict but in FO3 proof is that they got bombed too and it would be weird to see the US so disconnected from the world and the URSS not attempting something while there is chaos.
>>317423848
I made the same mistake the first time I ran into them. But from what I've gathered, they're just mercenary goons with no flavour. Just like the Talon Company.
>>317420857
bethisda either forgot about it or didnt feel like making it
and obsidian did not do it as not to confuse people who did not play the older games
I like how Bethesda tried to replicate the whole faction dynamic New Vegas had but failed miserably. BoS/Institute/Railroad/Minutemen is an obvious remaking of NCR/Legion/House/Yes-Man, but the fact that they went out of their way to include shit like "Gunners" and "Triggerman" to mimic the Great Khans/Jackals/etc. dynamic is pathetic.
>>317424112
Was in fallout 3 only I believe, so there's that.
>>317419715
Sad but true. I had plans to side with the BoS going in and ignore almost everyone else. I find myself ignoring everyone except the minute men because everyone is fucking retarded.
It's FO3 tier.
>>317424119
The U.S and USSR had this piece thing while the Sino-Soviet split was still active. They still got bombed, but they didn't have much of a role in the war.
>>317423191
Oh wait, I thought I changed that. I meant to switch 3 and 4 but I got so excited about putting a meme face that I forgot. 2 and NV are the in the right place though. I just played through 1 this week, and maybe I'm just burned out, but 2 is really hard for me to get into. There just doesn't feel like there's any sense of direction early on aside from "Find the GECK!"
>>317423350
I played Tactics once, wasn't really too fond of it. I should probably give it another shot.
>>317424127
My first encounter with them was the gunner weapons dealer thats in some house in the middle of nowhere, the setup made it seem just like the gun runners in F2, then the next time I see them its a squad at some random place that just opens fire on me. No consistency at all Bethesda.
>>317424312
kill yourself.
>>317424119
The US and the Soviets enjoyed a friendly relationship, but since they were communist, they were portrayed as the enemy in propaganda.
They didn't participate actively in the resource wars I believe, but got bombed all the same in the nuclear armageddon. Presumably they also launched their vast arsenal of nuclear weaponry upon the world.
When are we getting a fallout game not based in America?
>>317424119
US - USSR relations were better than they are in rl
>>317424081
I am not defending Bethesda at all, just providing explanations for your points.
>don't know lmao
>Vault 87, it's plausible that the Enclave would have many institutions working on FEV throughout the country
>Fallout world explanation: D.C. is not of much interest to China perhaps; Real world: it holds no value other than legislature, and they'd be better pressed to go after major military points and metropolitan areas
>don't know lmao
>Classic Bethesda world-building!
>see above
>see above above
>>317424475
Probably never.
>>317424475
When it stops being an American video game series.
>>317424251
There's Vadim and Yefim in FO4, but nothing states they are from Russia. I don't get why they would have an accent unless they've migrated though.
>>317419715
Did you understand the reasons behind the Legion?
Its actually pretty good shit what they were trying to conceive.
>>317424561
It works for Assassin's Creed.
>>317424407
I'm trying
>>317424127
That is incredibly lazy. Even NV companies had some kind of personality, no matter how little.
Silver Rush was ruthless and aggressive
Caravan handled everything as just business, even the underhanded tactics weren't personal
Gun Runners were super serious and secret, yet efficient about their production
I'm sure there are others but whatever, we all know Bethesda can't write for shit
>>317424616
Fallout isn't Assassin's Creed.
>>317423739
>Talon Company
>In 2277, they are working for an unknown third party, with simple orders: keep the Capital Wasteland a lawless, disorganized place.
Bravo Bethesda
>>317424525
According to some shitty megaton lore, they built the town around the bomb since the loonies from the cult demanded it. They agreed to their demands since they needed their manpower to build the city in the first place.
>What are caps backed by in the east?
precedent of them already being currency, water is also an important resource that may be backed there
>How do Super Mutants exist in the east?
super mutants are essentially ageless and immune to radiation, it's very feasible for them to go across the entire united states to the east coast. there was also FEV dunking happening in DC
>Why is Washington D.C. not a crater?
why is every place not a crater? washington DC really isn't that important just because it's the capital, the chinese carpet bombed the US
>Where did the Enclave find more unmutated humans?
vaults
>Why would anyone settle near an undetonated nuke
because people are wierd and worshipping things brings them comfort no matter how illogical
>Where does anyone in the Capital Wasteland get food
they grow it, eat animals, or scavenge it, lots of pre war food is canned and probably still edible. mostly growing though.
>Why does Power Armor suddenly need charges
because gameplay mechanics
>>317423782
But they shouldn't be....which is my whole point. Mindless raiders yes, named factions not unless you piss them off.
>>317424685
But it could be. Imagine a fallouts game every single year.
No more Elder Scrolls shit.
>>317421618
Unarmed best. Pull his fookin eyes out.
>>317424127
bethesda plz
>>317424475
>fallout japan
>>317424778
>Imagine a fallouts game every single year.
>like Ass Creed
Sounds terrible anon.
>>317424761
cry more carebear
>>317411178
There's a chick in Fallout 1 who mentions having a cat, but most of them got hunted for food. I would assume that means that they're endangered.
>>317424475
Probably never. IF they end up doing it, they're gonna pick either Canada or Mexico.
>>317410642
I liked the idea of The Glowing Sea in FO4 being caused by the Nuke's Ground Zero.
But doesn't that mean there should be similar ones in FO3 and New Vegas (discounting Lonesome Road)?
>>317424854
Its not a dating sim where I fuck a bunch of FEV mutated catgirls or some shit?
>>317411178
>>317424915
They might as well be. I can't even interact with them like I can with dogmeat.
The worst part about nu Bethesda lore is the fact that it's directionless. There is no sense of unity between 3 and 4, no over-arching themes. Just self-contained stories going who the fuck knows where.
>>317424976
Could be a different kind of bomb. There seems to have been an enormous amount of variety in the Chinese nuclear arsenal.
>>317424778
It's been said a million times already, Fallout is based a lot on that 1950's American optimism gone wrong shtick. Burgerland is a huge part of what makes Fallout Fallout, it's time to accept it.
>>317424778
So you want even less effort put into fallout games? They are bad enough as it is coming out every few years.
>>317424475
>no nazi fallout
kill me.
So, China was destroyed or not?
>>317425026
Feels like a fucking VAG car.
They just pick parts they like, cram it all together, maybe conjure up some new shit if they feel like it, and then sell it under a new fancy name.
Why are there homosexuals in the Fallout universe? It is well known that homosexuality is a learned behaviour that only rears its ugly head in times of plenty. So why would it exist in such a harsh and cruel world?
>>317424616
Fun fact
AssCreed ALSO isn't made by America.
You can thank Ubisoft Montreal and Quebec for that fuckup.
>>317425198
yes, utterly and completely, imagine the glowing sea, that's all of china and most areas in asia close to it.
>>317424475
>no south america fallout
The survivors in the favelas would carry on just fine
>>317425198
No way to determine that with the data given ingame. Richardson says something, I think, but he could be lying.
The only organization with access to satelites was killed off by the Brotherhood.
>>317424991
naw its the other way around the FEV catgirls rape you
>>317420552
I always thought one set in Hawaii would be fun, just tons of Cram everywhere
>A G.E.C.K. had been irradiated, and thus, the "Garden of Eden" it created was full of mutant plants and fungi. The mutant garden began to spread fairly rapidly, preying upon animal life and using them as carriers/fertilizer to spread its fungal seed. While it had accelerated regrowth and nature reclaiming the wasteland, the fact it was irradiated meant it also began to wipe out humans. The Midwestern Brotherhood of Steel had also gained a foothold in Florida. Mutant crocodiles were some of the forms of regional wildlife.
>Everglades
>super mutant alligators
>new city built the ruins of Disney World
Bethesda, plz.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Gulf_Commonwealth
>>317425303
>>317425343
You guys are giving me mixed signals here.
>Get to the Minutemen in Concord
>Tell them to fuck off and they're on their own
>Quest updates
>Return to Preston Garvey
>Thanks for helping us out
What the fuck is this. Where's my Tenpenny option
>>317425464
there is no "official" texts or anything about the state of china, but if you consider zeta canon. it shows the area where china is from space as a gigantic circle of glowing radiation.
>>317425287
When it's the cold of night and the world has gone to hell, and you're half-starving if not for your half eaten Dandy Apple doused in radiation keeping you alive for another 8 hours, while you have to keep praying to whatever God is left that you believe in that a pack of fucking radiation zombies, retarded brutes with guns or drugged up raiders don't rape you, kill you and eat your corpse, and the only permanent thing left in the world being suffering and radiation sickness, you aren't going to be very picky about how you get off.
>>317425440
Fallout: Black Marsh
If things aren't cannon, why even make them in the first place. Not cannon is an excuse for their bad writing and plot holes
>>317423463
The glowing sea is where the nuke hit, it's a radiated brown shit hole stuck in time where all the deadliest monsters like to hang out. It's location though is south-west at the very bottom of the map, for some reason the Chinese nuked the outskirts of Boston instead of the city itself.
>>317425631
>yes
>sarcasm (yes)
>no (yes)
>I would like to know more (yes)
Brilliant 10/10 writing
>>317425894
Ask Captain Zao why
Oh wait, you can't. Cause you can't ask for any backstory in this fucking game.
>>317425895
It's like rape
>>317410712
That's a strange way to spell 2.
>>317425894
I'm so confused.......the opening cutscene of the game has a nuke go off in front of you.....in the middle of boston.
>>317425894
Fucking Todd Howard.
My backwards-ass, bum-fuck town had EIGHT bombs pointed at it in the Cold War, how the fuck would BOSTON have ONE?
>>317425312
If it was set in Brazil there'd be almost no need for changes.
>the military police is the Legion
>drug traffickers are raiders
>the politicians and the army make up the NCR
>no BoS because there's no tech whatsoever for them to scavenge
>>317426110
There's also a rather sizable crater in Cambridge, but no way near the destruction that the Glowing Sea created.
>>317425440
Fallout Tactics 2 is fucking less canon than the fan-fiction written by some 13 year old autist in Ohio.
Kill yourself my man.
>trying to rationalize a bethesda creation
You are defeating the point of games, its about FUN AND EBIC CINEMATIC EXPERIENCES.
Not reading books
>>317425464
I remember them discussing making a Fallout game that would have you go to China to fight some weird Emperor in charge of some army who wanted to destroy America once and for all with more nukes, think it was in that scrapped game they were making.
Though it seems now China is just one massive glowing sea.
>>317426237
>Fallout Tactics 2 is fucking less canon than the fan-fiction written by some 13 year old autist in Ohio.
It's mentioned in Fallout 3.
>>317426374
Yeah, the Gulf Commonwealth, not that other shit.
>>317426357
Forgive me thinking it could be both.
>>317426072
Are you looking at the city when it goes off? I thought it was at the glowing sea.
>>317426468
I think the bomb goes of to the right of the city, which would roughly be the Glowing Sea.
Anon is either mistaken, or I am remembering very wrong.
>>317426468
Yeah you are looking right at downtown....its fucking weird. And the glowing sea makes no sense either. I rationalise it by thinking that the nuke hit another one of those sentinel sites and it created a massive dirty bomb that raped the area. Honestly, the glowing sea should have been four times the size and a DLC zone.
>>317426565
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpdMvgQlgi0
If you could pinpoint what direction it came from that might work. If that's true though, it makes no sense why Boston looks merely bombed by an air raid, and not completely tipped over by a nuke.
>>317426738
Nigga NYC is a fucking long way from Boston.
You'd have to cut through an entire god damn state (which just so happens to be the one I live in tbqh familia :^)
>>317426365
Van Buren was going to be about a space station that was full of a retro virus a crazy scientist type was planning on releasing to kill anything mutated. I have no idea where these China game rumors are from.
>>317426726
My guess is they listened to peoples complaints about having to use the metros to get around. Boston has not a single street that I've found which is blocked off by rubble.
>>317424475
Fallout japan, so we can LITERALLY have Tokyo Ghouls
2>1>NV>Tactics
i refuse to believe that there are more fallout games.
>>317425068
>Fallout has to be about muh retro America
This is the kind of thinking that gave us the radio stations.
>>317426698
If they hadn't drawn the fucking epicenter crater then it still could have. Virgil could've been the edge of the Sea.
>>317426916
To be fair, as a New Yorker, I'm sure the city warrants enough nukes to make everything w/in a few counties glow like christmas.
But, really, between DC and Boston, what matters besides NYC? 'The Glowing Sea' was just loading screen rumors when I made this prediction. I was totally wrong though.
>>317427062
Obsidian shills are the worse
>>317426932
Kind of iffy on Van Buren's plot. On one hand it would've brought closure to the whole FEV subplot which unified the first two games, but on the other hand the story sounded like shit overall.
>>317427098
>Fallout has to be about muh retro America
That is a huge part of the setting. Deal with it.
>>317426992
The problem is Boston for the most part doesn't look nuked, it just looked like it decayed and started falling apart. There are even wooden houses still around with some minor roof damage.
Fuck all Bethesda has to do was draw a map and symbolize a blast zone to show what would be complete rubble and what might have survived in the outer radius.
>>317426932
Fallout Extreme is the China game, it was basically just a concept.
>>317427098
Speaking of radio - why is the songlist so much worse than the one in New Vegas
>>317427197
It sounds like it was going to be a bit of a rehash of F2's plot. I did enjoy the twist that Harold's head fruit would contain the cure to the retrovirus though. Way better ending for his character then F3's rape.
>>317427098
Fallout three had to be retro America because it was reviving a franchise.
New Vegas had to be retro America because it was reviving the West Coast.
Fallout 4 had to be retro America because it was building on the success of Fallout 3.
Now all Fallouts have to be retro America.
If Fallout 3 hadn't been a resurrection, and had instead been able to go somewhere else, then Fallout would have more breathing room. But it was, so it doesn't.
>>317427289
Is that a BoS spiritual successor? We don't talk about BoS.
So why didn't the Lone Wanderer prevent the East Coast BoS from becoming space nazis?
>>317427520
where the fuck did you get the small guy
>>317427520
>that fucking armor on the hand
Is this Goldeneye?
Anyway, no one knows what happened to the Lone Wanderer.
r.i.p
>>317424730
>Precedent of them already being currency
How would anyone on the east know they were a currency
>super mutants are essentially ageless and immune to radiation, it's very feasible for them to go across the entire united states to the east coast. there was also FEV dunking happening in DC
There's not that many West Coast Supermutants also it took Master who was a genius years to figure out how to create the supermutants and your telling me these random stupid ass supermutants knew how to create more of themselves?
>vaults
The people living in Vault 13 were contaminated even though they never left
>they grow it, eat animals, or scavenge it, lots of pre war food is canned and probably still edible. mostly growing though.
They have major cities but no farms every single person goes out in to the waste and hunts for food?
>>317427520
Because Bethesda can't write.
>>317425894
The nuke was set to hit Boston but apparantely it got damaged by all the other nukes going off and fell short.
That or they just missed
>>317426565
The Glowing Sea WAS the city of boston.
>>317427520
The Lone Wanderer, the most important character of the capital wasteland, is probably never going to be acknowledged ever again.
>>317427401
The whole fucking series's world is based off 50's american pulp sci fi........what are you talking about.
>>317427520
Because he wanted them to become "Space Nazis."
BoS is the best faction. They take the best aspects of the West BoS (Get Stronk with tech and uphold the ways of old) with the best parts of the East BoS (You human? You can join if you're good enough, we're not THAT picky, FUCK SUPER MUTANTS/FERAL GHOULS OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH, Protect the people).
The only reason to disagree with the BoS is if you're a synth, a synth-pathizer, or a Ghoul who managed to not be a feral piece of shit (aka: about 5 to 10 people).
>>317424854
SMT is more like Fallout Japan
>>317427520
Every time I see Liberty Prime, for some reason, I have this tiny flare of autism in my heart.
>>317417040
That's kinda what I do. It sets my mind at ease.
>>317427520
Well East Coast BoS probably went through some shit once Lyons died, then Sarah died too. Then Maxson, or his advisors, probably kicked the Lone Wanderer out.
>>317411273
>why are there no vault cities
it was because only Vault 8, or whatever, had the idea to make one after shit got cleared. It helps too that the West Coast has the Enclave, BOS, and NCR there to make things less chaotic and shit.
>Vertibirds
Vertibirds existed before the nukes fell, but were just being used. Its a prototype for the enclave since they lost the plans between the nukes.
>pre-war being rosy
well the depression is comparable and it was also schizophrenic in terms of the haves and have nots. I mean, the house you get the beginning of the game is still pretty small for what is supposed to be upper-middle class with a family.
>>317425894
>communists in charge of doing anything right
>>317427352
New Vegas Radio was shit though.
How did Cait live in the combat zone without getting raped constantly
>>317416646
>>317418380
>As we all know, FEV has been the scourge of the post war wasteland. It was released into the ecosystem with a ground strike by a Chinese nuke directly on top of the West Tek facility. We know that the Unity and Overseer both confirm that FEV is pretty much endemic to the wasteland and caused much of the mutations we see in fallout. The Enclave, Overseer of vault 13, and the Unity all agree to its dominant presence in the wasteland and its ecosystem.
According to Zax at West Tek:
>FEV is not 'caught', per se. It is not air-transmittable. Typically, infection is through injection, or direct physical contact with an FEV sample.
So how did it affect America's ecosystem?
>>317411515
Tactics is broad-strokes canon. For fucks sake, the Brotherhood uses one of the airships from Tactics in 4.
>>317428013
That's the best part about the Beth Fallout games.
They know that if they try to go for the West Coast they could fuck it up, so instead of doing that they keep themselves to the East Coast, for the exact reason of "So we can't fuck with Fallouts 1,2 and NV."
>>317427934
With only two major games to its name, both set on the west coat, they could have gone a different way with the east coast and the third installment.
But I'm drinking alone, so what the fuck do I know?
>>317427352
You've shit taste.
Why is the glowing sea an apocalyptic hellscape when nowhere else is anywhere near that bad? The nukes were flying all over the place so shouldn't there be glowing seas everywhere?
>>317427520
God the new vertibirds are shit
A fucking mod in NV does a better job portraying them than FO4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JWZEODFUhg
>>317428275
Isn't the reason The BoS in 3 are in the capital wasteland is because their Airship crashed near there?
haven't played fo3, why do people believe the BoS are the good guys?
>>317428584
I forgot how they got there, there's a vague reference to a Mid-West branch but they were heading east because of the Pentagon, I think.
I know that the Pitt ended up fucking up the East Coast branch bad before the project purity shit went belly up. Then you got the combined fuckery of super mutants and the enclave.
>>317428584
Nope. They had to hike it on foot.
The West BoS are kind of dicks to dissenters.
>>317428687
They are RADICALLY different than the Western BoS faction.
Would anyone think it would be cool to actually play a Fallout based in the pre war conflict with China? Maybe you see the invasion of Alaska to invading Chinese soil in power armour and then sent home to enforce martial law due to civil strife from food and power shortages until the bombs go off and you as a soldier have to keep civil order as the world around you crumbles in fire.
There's loads of military checkpoints or corpses of US soldiers around Boston, a lot of them looked to have died trying to enforce order when the civilian population went crazy as the nukes went off. There is even a story I read in the Boston Bugle about US soldiers opening fire on civilians pre-war for trying to raid a food bank (and looking for the excuse to kill people).
Eitherway, being in some power armour watching the bombs go off as people around you turn into ghouls and ferals would be fun.
>>317420992
What is it?
>>317421656
Brotherhood lacks all the support those power armor divisons had. Anchorage shows that every guy in a power-armor suit had a squad for support and a shit ton fo guys for logistics.
Brotherhood has only guys in suits and not exactly rolling in spare parts, ammo, and replacements
>>317428875China
>>317410712
I sadly agree.
>>317428841
They made Operation: Anchorage. More of that, or would it've been different?
>>317428687
You know how the brotherhood are usually total dicks that have people do impossible tasks for little reward and hate most outsiders? Yeah, fuck that, they are now paladins of the wasteland, smiting all orcSUPER MUTANTS with their Holy magiLASER WEAPONS.
>>317428902
The Anchorage simulation isn't canon, according to terminals inside the base where it is found. So I doubt any of this is accurate.
>>317427934
The mutated animals and robots clearly are but most of the human settlements are just standard post-apocalypse.
>>317429014
Well I quite liked the beginning of F4, seeing America pre-war and the civilian population. When I saw those soldiers barricading the way to the vault I imagined what it would be like to be one of those guys in the final hours.
>>317429078
While the whole shit with the chimeras isn't accurate, I'd imagine that the logistical and support requirements is still there.
If were to just have them be tanks, the same logic applies. You need infantry support and a large logistic network to keep them going.
>>317429154
It could be a thing, but it would NEVER be made as anything even approaching a mainline game.
I could deal with a quasi-canon spinoff about pre-war Commie massacres, but that shit won't fly as a main game.
>>317428225
She heavily implies she didn't.
>>317429019
I cringed when Danse told me that Brotherhood squads regularly use the Fat Man.
>>317427520
Watching Liberty Prime throw nukes like footballs always gives me the biggest feeling of patriotism
>>317429598
I'm Canadian and Liberty Prime makes me proud to be American. This thing is fucking inspiring.
>>317429492
I flinched when Maxson told me he needed the mini-nuke stronghold, because mini-nukes are the centerpiece of their force projection.
>>317428225
She totally got raped so much that she doesn't even hate the individuals any more. It was just life to her.
>>317426110
Could be some US-secret weapon that got blowed the fuck up after a stray nuke landed on top of it. I mean, the US is hardly short on them; Archimedes II, FEV, Liberty Prime, etc, etc.
>>317429014
Probably be very frustrating with the fuel shortage and everything.
>>317429832
>>317429492
>regular use of Fat Man
>mini-nukes are the centerpiece of the force projection
This triggers my autism and I don't even have autism.
How fucking clueless must the BoS be if they absolutely have to use Fat Man to do anything?
>>317429492
Gotta be honest here, I fucking hate the idea of the Fat Man. I mean, I'm down with the idea of there being one or two of them in the world, probably used in assaults against the chinese, but the idea of them being everywhere and mini nukes being all over is so stupid.
>>317430012
You have autism and you are in denial.
>>317430098
I did ask my doctor and she clearly said I didn't have autism and was unwilling to try to see if I had autism. I won't pull a fucking Tumblr and self-diagnose am I?
>>317430072
I don't mind that it exists since it's based on a real Cold War weapon, I just think it makes no sense for the BoS to be carrying it everywhere. Just have a couple in heavily secure armories for the player to find.
>>317430072
To be fair, the cars are all mini-nukes, so I could see the Fat Man being a jury-rigged Engine slingshot.
But that shit did NOT exist before then. That's fucking retarded.
>Tfw want to do a tabletop RPG game set in West Coast Fallout Universe about five years before NV
>None of my friends know Fallout Lore and instead want me to DM a game in TES Universe instead.
Life is suffering.
Can you imagine being a pre-war ghoul.
You've lived for at least over 287+ years and had seen the glory of prewar America with all its knowledge and insight to a shithole you live in now. It must be infuriating to have had so much, and these wasteland fucks don't even know basic world history.
At least they made ghouls look cool in F4.
>>317413338
>>317411565
>>317411346
Jet is mentioned in several pre-war terminals, including the one found in Vault 95. Also Psycho is now prewar, loading screens say it was used by the American Army to increase fighting abilities. Lel.
>>317427494
Nah it was a completely new Fallout game. You and a ragtag of soldiers travel from the US to China to kill the ghoul emperor yourself.
Think Brothers in Arms but with Fallout on it.
>>317413015
This makes sense. Jet made from brahman shit couldn't possibly be prewar so it must emulate a prewar drug called jet and was therefore invented twice.
>>317430452
>>317430496
It's just the fact that they are apparently used everywhere and somehow the retarded as hell eastern brotherhood hasn't blown themselves or everything else up.
Like, for all the times you see them using one, you have to imagine a fuck ton more everywhere, and that you find them on brain dead wastelanders sometimes, I mean, I honestly don't believe that these irradiated, non power armor wearing idiots could even figure out how one works.
>>317430701
New Vegas didn't really touch on Ghouls besides Rail, which I found weird. I like the way they did Kent Connelly and the other Ghouls in 4 though. Probably one of the good things Bethesda did.
>>317421618
-2% barter...
Good thing you went unarmed...
>>317431007
>tfw ghoul perk
>you're a ghoul... on the inside!
>beth so lazy that they wouldn't give you the option to become a ghoul if you wanted
>>317430628
Fuck with them and go along with their TES universe DMing, but go full out.
Put CHIM everywhere, have major plot points in Black Marsh and Morrowind, stay the FUCK out of Cyrodill and use the Last Kalpa all up in that shit.
>>317431093
Chosen one does not need money. Chosen one has fist.
>>317430792
> Also Psycho is now prewar, loading screens say it was used by the American Army to increase fighting abilities.
Stop shitposting you nigger, Psycho have been pre-war since Fallout 2 retconed it.
>>317431007
I was under the impression that the ghouls on the westcoast are all survivors of the Boneyard vault that didn't properly seal, and ghouls otherwise don't really exist as the conditions to become a ghoul are pretty finite. Then F3 had moira turn into a ghoul from surviving a nuclear blast and I had no idea what the fuck was going on anymore.
>>317413593
How is he so perfect ?
>>317431503
Fallout CHIM in action? Seems like it.
>>317429971
People always throw out a lot of "could be"s when discussing 3 and 4. Unless there's proof, it's fan fiction
>>317430282
It's not Autism to admit that Bethesda is trying to go Warhammer 40k.
It's Autism to care.
>>317430701
I'm not a big fan of the way ghouls look from 3 on. I mean, do you remember Set? That was probably the best looking design for a ghoul. Barely any remaining traces of humanity.
Now, they just kinda look like skinless humans. Some ferals in 4 also give me a weird Point Lookout Hillbilly feel.
>>317430701
I mean, they got through the immediate aftermath. I imagine America 100 years ago was worse then America today.
But it must be infuriating to know all these things about basic fucking science and not being able to influence the humans around you. Not like you could be a mayor or something.
Oh, wait...
>>317432143
Feral ghouls are an incredible stupid concept. "Their brains have melted away from the radiationnnnnn!" Well bethesda, then those people would be fucking dead, not post apocalyptic zombies.
Why is Dr. Li so fucking stupid
>>317432393
Ghouls don't make sense in the first place, genius.
>>317432449
Where is Dr. Li at anyway?
>>317432587
You'll find her in the course of the main quest.
>>317432393
I mean, I can see where they got the idea. There were those small groups of "zombie ghouls" in Necropolis, but I think those were just meant to be assholes. I cant really remember.
>>317432673
Yeah they're just assholes, not zombies.
