>creates perfectly functional, sythetic humans
>can't cure cancer
>electric stuff still work after 200 years
>power armor needs batteries
>>317378203
Couldn't you get rid of Caesar's brain tumor with an old Auto-Doc? I'm supposed to believe Father couldn't get rid of his cancer with all the Institute's technology?
>>317378203
>can't cure cancer
>irradiated nuclear wasteland
>Fusion cores power generators for hundreds of years
>Last 10 minutes in power armor
Was it cancer? I thought it was just radiation and his body couldn't han oooohhh
>Put on leg armor
>Chems last longer
>either kill or nuke the commonwealth
>can pacify a fucking yao guai
>can't pacify son
ewewewew
>Jet is a drug made in New Reno by Myron, hence it being called the Reno-Experience.
>Jet was available as a pre-war drug and was stocked in Vaults and referenced on terminals from pre-war.
FUCK MUH LORE HARDER SENPAI
>>317378203
Yeah, this made no sense at all. Even when you try to ask if there's a way to help him, he's just like, "No, we've dun science an it didn't werk". The way he's killed off with all this handwaving reminds me of trying to send a companion into the water purifier pre-DLC in Fallout 3. I wouldn't be surprised if curing him is part of some planned DLC.
>>317378203
>got into the Institute
>betrayed Institute at Bunker Hill
>told Father to go fuck himself
>banished from the Institute
>can't save synths with Patriot
>Railroad tells me to join the Minutemen
>Hate the minutemen and sanctuary and building
Welp, looks like it's time to join the Brotherhood of Nazis. Sieg Heil!
>>317379508
>Couldn't you get rid of Caesar's brain tumor with an old Auto-Doc?
Yup.
Also if I remember right, with high enough medicine skill you could have done it yourself.
Lazy writing, shit gameplay, and yet I spent hours killing raiders with my waifu.
How are they doing it.
>>317380036
On the genomic level it's basically the result of your DNA fucking up and accumulating errors.
Destruction of telomeres leaves DNA exposed to mutation and point deletions and whatnot.
However, these errors are normal and harmless in most people because specialized white blood cells, called "Killer cells" track down and destroy these cancerous cells before they spread.
Modern gene therapy that cures cancer works by enhancing the amount of "Killer cells" a person's body produces.
>>317380268
this shit pisses me off the most.
>>317380632
Ad victoriam, brother.
>200+ years after the war
>Civilization on the East Coast is still unable to construct anything beyond poorly made shacks made with junk that has holes everywhere
>>317379508
Getting rid of tumor /=/ Curing Cancer
You can't just cut out the tumor and call it cured, there is many, many inoperable forms of cancer especially if it's metastasized which means cancer cells have spread into his bloodstream and can pop up anywhere.
>>317380882
Been playing through all the factions, and BOS is by far the best.
Ad victoriam.
>>317381153
>You can't just cut out the tumor and call it cured
>perfects artificial intelligence
>dude im so close minded lmao
>they cant ever be self aware, just machines
>im so evil hohohoho
how would they even get to this point without even having a clear idea of what it actually means to be "alive"?
I'd think that the institute would be one of the few that actually consider them self aware, because they fucking created them
>>317380956
They can, it's just part of the aesthetics. You don't understand the aesthetics. They set up perfectly good buildings and punch a few holes in them, and throw some trash around it and inside and it looks good.
>>317378203
I swear when this faggot died I just didn't care at all. You can tell Bethesda just wrote that bullshit in to give you an excuse to lead the institute, which was in itself stupid. Your character barely even reacts.
I seriously can't believe this is by the same guys that made Morrowind.
>>317381262
You can treat cancer. You can't cure it. Caesars brain tumor was at an early stage and was more easily operable; Cancer is just a term we use for many diseases, there is no end cure for all (yet)
Best you can do is treat the symptoms, and that isn't saying Caesar couldn't relapse.
>create synths to sweep the floor
>go out of their way and give them the ability to think and feel
>"They're just machines"
why
>>317378203
existence of one kind of technology does not mean that everything else exists too, I mean have you played a single space game? you have shit like jumpdrives and FTL travel and people still age and die
Aztecs built some pretty complex floating gardens and had decent architecture and they still didnt have a fucking WHEEL
its not that unbelievable at all desu, but since this is just another thread to shit on something popular, I dont know why I even bother
>>317379508
I hated that part in NV, is the legion so fucking starved for doctors that they let some random COURIER do the surgery? I did not even join the legion and could still attempt (my medicine was low so he died) a surgery, they did not even TEST my skill first
If I remember correctly volkert says "even with this advanced technology we still cant cure a common cold"
Which implies he may have died from a mutated common cold.
Also, in the synth manucfacturing plant, theyre shown to be built as full humans with human organs. how come they still have mechanical parts.
>>317381526
I'm pretty sure if you give enough radiation, he can mutate his cancer out of his body and I wouldn't be surprise if an Auto Doc can cure cancer. It seem like the one thing that the East Coast DOESN'T have, apparently.
>>317381782
Augmentations after; like with how kellog had some upgrades.
>>317380632
HATE MINUTEMENnothing wrong with them even if they're essentially the Yes Man choice for this game. You don't have to take a stand on morals or ideals if you choose Minutemen.
>>317378203
>creates perfectly functional, sythetic humans
>can't create a healthy synthetic body for himself
>>317381910
Which raises the question of why couldnt he augment himself
Or how the institute scientists despised kellog for his augmented life span DESPITE having the technology to give him the augmentations, which means they could have manufactured them for themselves
>>317381917
But the Minutemen are complete moralfags who accomplish nothing
>>317381526
You're telling me they can turn make Kellogg live for over 100 years but they can't treat cancer? Presumably if they made Kellogg over 100, they'd have found a way to at least prevent stuff like cancer and dementia because those are the primary things that kill you in old age. I find it hard to believe they can turn some random mercenary immortal but they won't do it to the guy that leads them.
>>317382154
Yes that was kind of the point of the spoilered part of my post. They're a self insert faction that does as much as you do for them and helps poor fucks to have a home and defend themselves from raiders. None of the other factions really accomplish anything from what I've heard because the ending cinematic is supposedly the exact same except for one extra slide from the institute, no matter if you were a saint or a complete dickhead to everyone you meet.
HATE ENDINGS
>>317382419
You said that you don't need to take a stand on morals/ideals but The Minutemen all have a clearly clear take on all of that and literally cannot change despite you being the leader
Couldn't he just transfer his brain to a synth?
>>317381917
The only reason I felt bad was because Presto believed in something that was righteous only to have it tear itself apart before him. Other than that the Minutemen had no plan. No attempt to colonize/settle the commonwealth. Just "lets hide around the castle with our thumbs up our dicks until some settlement cries raiders"
>>317382582
Every man has his time
every man
>>317380632
"Fallout 3 was my first Fallout" babby spotted.
>>317382582
I remember reading a terminal about him trying to put his memories/consciousness into that kid synth but dont remember anything else because I couldn't be paid to care about the institute really.
>>317381414
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVscQYjuq_s
>>317378203
>200 years into a postapocalyptic fend-for-yourself wasteland
>somehow Darwinism has had no impact and there are still shit, weak, diseased people that haven't died off due to lack of medicine or just getting fucked over by Raider, the Brotherhood, Super Mutants, or Ghouls.
>>317382578
What I meant was to side with Institute you must take a stand that BoS/Railroad are wrong and kill them; side with BoS kills railroad/institute; railroad kills BoS/institute.
Nobody cares about the Minutemen enough to kill them. They are a choice that doesn't really involve morals
With institute vs railroad it's "do you think synths are human enough for rights? Do you think they're self aware? Do you think institute killing and swapping humans for synths is 'for the good of mankind' or pure evil?" Etc
Choosing brotherhood is "all technology that we don't own is an abomination"
Choosing Minutemen is "I can't decide between the 3 real factions and I want to end the main quest."
>>317382582
He did.
>>317382882
kek
played and loved FO 1 and 2. What makes me seem like a newshitter? Disliking the Institute, who keep Synths as slaves and consider them property?
>>317382924
>>317383029
>The kid
Shit, I saved him. Did Father just bamboozle me into saving him? Where is the kid after the main quest ends?
>>317380251
Uh maybe the leg armor has some sort of IV system that directly delivers all chemicals into the blood stream more effectively?
Fuck why am I defending todd's bullshit
>>317382882
I don't really blame him for fucking over the Institute. I sided with them and they gave absolutely no justification for any of the shit they do. Shaun promises to explain everything but he just handwaves shit away and tells you to go recapture some escaped Synths and some other bullshit.
I get the whole not wanting Synths to be free thing, but I cannot for a moment understand the justification for kidnapping and murdering people then claiming they misunderstand you.
>>317380251
>put on leg armor
>become harder to detect while crouching
>>317382970
It has. The institute are the closest to unaffected humans to the war except the main character and they plan to never leave the bunker, so they "won" on a Darwinian scale. They can and do completely shit on the outdated and ancient by comparison tech the settlement scrubs or even the brotherhood has, and they have developed xenophobic behavior so horrible that they think their actions are justified. So, they went crazy but they're in the best chance to win by evolutionary and biological success.
>>317383132
>>317383384
"Brotherhood of Nazis"
>>317380674
Hell, with 9 luck you could accidentally do it.
>>317378203
You know what the real plot hole is? it's not that he couldn't cure cancer. It's that he didn't make a perfect Synth of himself to continue his legacy.
>>317383474
They are Nazis in FO4, though. The BoS in FO1 and 2 weren't a bunch of crusaders that wanted to purge the wasteland of mutants and protect people, they were just a cult that hoarded technology and wanted the savages to stay out of their way. It doesn't even make sense that the BoS want to kill the Synths, they should want to capture them for themselves.
>>317381917
Who is the House choice?
>Talking with robo-kid
>Shaun walks out unnoticed
>Foot comes into field of view
>Panic and pop him in the face with my revolver
>Drops like a ton of bricks
>Freewheel it on outta there
What are the meme graphic settings in this game, aside from godrays?
>>317381623
They're sexbots on the side so they use their emotions their.
>>317378203
>gets cancer and dies
>not just becoming a ghoul
Way to rape the lore even more Bethesda
>>317378203
That's not even the worst of it.
There is literally a sidequest to port curies mind to another body, and the quest even touches on the fact that it is possible to do so even to a human brain and not just AI to AI.
Yet he can't upload his minds data to synth, even if it wasn't him (swampman theory etc...) it still would carry on a perfect legacy and be the best leader the institute could hope for.
>>317383673
The Institute. You purge Boston of outside invaders like the BoS and tell everyone you're in charge now and they better listen the fuck up.
>>317382276
>immortal
Pay attention retard. They said his life span got increased to around 150 to 200, he's not fucking immortal
>>317383394
It could be camouflaged
>>317383795
We're reaching fallout 3 levels of woulda, shoulda.
>>317381782
>>317381964
We Blade Runner?
>>317378203
>insists they aren't dicks
>they actually mostly aren't
>except they kidnap innocent people and replace them with synthetic versions for.... reasons? and generally act like a literal boogeyman because reasons
>insist they're just misunderstood
they should have made the synths less obviously human so their emotion was more debatable, and had the institute not actually be the boogeyman. They're just complete cunts.
>>317380259
This isn't true, just beat the game yesterday and that's not how it ends you shit
>>317382717
They were taking back the commonwealth.
A future with the minutemen seems like it would be more settlements around the wasteland and heavy patrols and opposition/infestation wiping.
Bring down the level of violence around the wasteland, reestablish stability and a reliable system of justice, allied settlements trade and engage in politics...
wala, we west coast now
>>317383863
The point remains the same you raging cum goblin.
>>317383889
>supermutant, pls go into the purifier
>no
why did they make synthetic humans?
if it was for free work force then it would be better to keep those robotic toasters.
>>317380268
>>317380795
Telling more lies than Todd fucking Howard at this point.
Jet is never found anywhere Pre-War, only on locations already settled by Jet abusing folks like raiders and mercenaries, the fucking MC has no fucking idea what Jet is when that chairlady asks him for it.
Go show me the evidence of Jet being pre-war in Fallout 4, I only found evidence it isn't.
(The MC not knowing what it is)
>>317383808
Great! He doesn't make you kill the minutemen though, right? They're the only faction I don't want to mess with.
>>317383673
Institute despite their many, many flaws or Minutemen for muh settlements and muh common man.
Institute can also be Caesars legion because of their atrocities, and the railroad have good ideas but are SJWs to a flaw.
>minutemen for people who don't want to make a choice
No, I want the other factions to be less retarded and listen to me, but that would remove bethesda's illusion of tough choice making.
>>317384057
Didn't they fix that with DLC or something? I just finished FO3 last night and Fawkes went into the purfier no problem.
>>317384028
But there was no follow up quests! "Well general, the Institute is taken care of, now its time we focus on the raiders or muties" Like take out a stronghold with fellow minutemen or something not just the neverending fetch quests from settlements.
>>317380632
They tell you to join the minutemen? I had the bitch running it telling me to join them and not the minutemen prior to battle of bunker hill because the minutemen won't take care of muh synths.
Seems like every faction except the Institute have sympathetic or supportable characters. Minutemen have Sturges, BoS has Danse, Railroad has Deacon.
Institute's got your autistic son.
>>317383029
Hell you have to defeat the BoS for the railroad? Fuck that then.
>>317384121
>Jet is never found anywhere Pre-War, only on locations already settled by Jet abusing folks like raiders and mercenaries
>hack/lockpick into pristine pre-war room
>jet is present
>>317383795
>and the quest even touches on the fact that it is possible to do so even to a human brain and not just AI to AI.
it does not touch on that fact at all, it worked for curie because she is a robot
>>317384121
I made all my caps manufacturing Jet. Pretty sure I single-handedly turned half of Boston into addicts. Why anybody would want to huff fertilizer is beyond me, but where there's demand, there will be supply.
>>317384212
I doubt anyone can be as "this is the bad guy choice" as the Legion.
Any companions leave you for joining the institute?
>>317381153
Why doesn't he just make a bunch of tiny synths, or shrink some down and put them in his body to kill the cancer cells?
>>317383029
>railroad kills BoS/institute
How does the railroad kill bos?
>>317384280
I attribute that to Todd fucking up.
Prior to the end, they're kicking shit out, moving people in, and patrolling shit. If that continues, peaceful wasteland, settlements grow, /wewestcoast/.
>>317384349
The institute brought it up in talking about Kellog, iirc Shaun condemned altering humans and forced them to stop working on shit like that.
>>317383795
I can understand why he doesn't consider that since he can't consider synths as capable of real emotion or having any form of humanity.
I get the impression he'd rather die a human, with a soul, since he is fighting for humanity, than become what he considers a mere robot.
Why creating copies of people and replacing them is important really does baffle me though
>>317384454
deacon and danse, whatever faction you choose you lose the other factions companions after you do a few quests
>>317384003
No seriously why did they kidnap people?
And why did were they so insistent that the synths are just machines when they, their designers and creators, would obviously know differently?
>>317384527
The BoS put all their eggs in one basket -- a hydrogen dirigible. Just think about that for a second.
>>317384163
There's one quest involving the Minutemen but you can handle it diplomatically if you have enough Charisma.
>>317378203
>Can't transfer his consciousness into a synth so he can live forever
>Can't use the "cure everything" medication on him
>>317384284
Yeah of the 3 main endings (all but the Minutemen), you have to kill the other two. None of them has you kill the Minutemen.
>>317384426
The point of this game was supposedly hurr everyone has their good and bad but who is the least grey? By that logic, the Minutemen are, but they don't do as much good as the other 3 factions either. Supposedly the legion was supposed to be less comic book villainy but obsidian cut like their main city and shit that was supposed to show you life ain't so bad if you aren't 1) a woman 2) a slave
>>317384327
>210 years since the bombs fell
>there exist untouched pre-war rooms
Also
>random low-end loot placement
>lore reasonable in such a big game
HOLY FUCK WHAT'S THE LORE EXPLANATION BEHIND THAT DEATHCLAW DROPPING A PIPE RIFLE
>>317384636
Not great, I guess I'll have to have some drugs and my finest Tux ready by then.
>>317384610
Those I can live without, thanks
>>317384546
Fuck if they sell a cut content dlc with based on that I'm done. I'm cutting my thumbs off and converting to Amish
>>317384527
They tell you to do it for them, that's how.
You know, the only way any faction seems to be able to do fucking anything in the game.
>>317384630
Hindenburg say what?
>>317384624
>just machines
>their designers and creators, would obviously know differently
What's funn is that their designers and creaters think they know differently.
Synths are just glorified walking computers, that's it, they would just be empty synthetic corpses without their operation system, synth's are by definition not life forms, they don't age or reproduce.
>>317384003
Institute arent dicks. they replace innocent people for a reason. That guy in warwick homestead experiments with different seeds to grow better crops. McDonough gives reports from the biggest city in the commonwealth so the insitute knows whats happening
>>317384527
Theres an ending for every single faction.
but all of them are destroy every other faction, except minutemen, you dont have to destroy the railroad if you side with gorilla kommando
>BoS manages to make the Prydwen in only a year, the other two years were spent gathering parts
Is a year really a reasonable amount of time to build that giant ship?
>>317384642
>>Can't transfer his consciousness into a synth so he can live forever
That wouldn't really be his consciousness, though. Like with Nick- his consciousness is that of a pre-war cop, but he's not really the same guy. From the perspective of the pre-war cop, the pre-war cop died. He didn't get to live on through Nick, but to anyone else, it seems like the same guy, just in a synth body.
Then again, the same argument could be made with the transporter disassembling and reassembling people at the molecular level.
>>317384692
>HOLY FUCK WHAT'S THE LORE EXPLANATION BEHIND THAT DEATHCLAW DROPPING A PIPE RIFLE
Swallowed it whole in a feast of blind bloodlust.
>>317384692
>there exist untouched pre-war rooms
Good, you comprehend my words.
>>317384871
Did you not hear shaun on the roof of the C.I.T.? "Eugh there is dirt on the roads and these buildings are all gross looking, humanity is lost, we'll wipe them out and start over with us."
>>317378203
Isnt everyone on chemotherapy in Fallout anyways?
>>317384852
"Oh the humanity?"
>>317384871
Nope, it choosing to side with the minutemen will make the BoS hostile, but the minutemen don't have a quest to get rid of the Prydwen.
>>317384642
>Zombie loli
Season 2 when
>>317384871
can't they just find a way to grow and sell crops without replacing people though?
It seems like a pretty roundabout way. Plus involuntary human experimentation is still a bit of a dick move. Especially if you kidnap, remove and replace someone's dearly loved and trusted relative, so you can get your doppleganger to run experiments on them
>>317385047
But shaun is dead
>>317385202
Well that's gay as shit. What reason does the BoS have to hate/fear the Minutemen?
>>317384998
It takes 3-4 years to build a world class naval super carrier right now.
A year for a giant airship is entirely reasonable.
>>317384630
>hydrogen
You gotta be shitting me
>>317385273
Those laser muskets use crank action technology humanity isn't ready for.
>>317385348
Oh the huge manatee
WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY MAKING SYNTHS ANYWAY
>>317384630
>>317384871
Okay but does Danse hate me even after completing Blind Betrayal and he's technically not Brotherhood?
>>317380268Maybe Jet was a Pre-War experimental chem developed by Vault-Tec and a surviving Vault-Tec employee showed to people in New Reno how to make it years before you show up. Why am I defending Fallout 4's fuck ups?
>>317385273
They hate you for taking out the Institute without them.
That's it.
They are just hostile.
>>317385263
But that's how he thinks and thats how the institute thinks. Years of him bashing the wasteland arent going to be undone now that you;re in charge. You can the board whatever you want, they're still not going to change what theyve been indoctrinated to believe for the last century.
>>317385242
Everyone hates the institute, they cant just make a settlement in the dirt without getting attacked left and right by literrally everyone.
The kidnap and infilitrate way seems to be the most efficent way apparently
>>317378203
How many times does /co/ have to say?
>>317384630
>a hydrogen dirigible
>>317384692
>random low-end loot placement
>lore reasonable in such a big game
>AAA developer not taking the time to have a "pre-war?" flag for their containers so this doesn't happen aka attention to detail
>>317385273
not that guy, I don't actually recall it telling me I was at war with those guys when I decided to side with the minutemen.
Also fuck the game for not warning you before you lock down the side you pick.
>>317385413
Oh shit, I left a toaster in the workshop. I imagine BoS has annexed the castle by now.
>>317378203
>Synths can think and feel, and make their own decisions
>NO DUDE THEYRE TOTALLY JUST MACHINES WITH NO FREE WILL.
Fucking Christ my son is retarded
>>317380674
>shit gameplay
Hey now, the gameplay is at least decent this time.
Daily reminder that the Institute is the best option because you become the leader and can change whatever you don't like about it.
>BOS Jews away all tech except the tech they can't have, so they nuke it
>Railroad is literally ISIS with 0 concern for anything other than their backwards views
>Save syths from having their memory wiped by wiping their memories
>Killing the institute sets back all technological advancement since the war
Side institute
Don't fight the minutemen
The surface and the underground get fixed and humanity advances
>>317385446
Because they're the future
I really don't want to end the institute because some of those guys seem really neato and helpful, but father is an utter dick.
>>317385654
posting shad should be a bannable offense
i hate him so much
>>317385654
>Siri can make it's own decisions based on input
>DUDE ITS TOTALLY NOT A SOFTWARE
>>317385446
Same reason scientists do anything: because they can. They straight up tell you that when you get there. They were workers before then the perfectionism most scientists have kicked in and they decided fuck it, let's make humanity "better" by making it ourselves.
>>317385446
Because they're fucking retarded.
>We actually want to help people - lets spend 200 years developing useless technology! and build an army and secret police with it! Helping!
The institute is just a collection of amoral faglords who actively make the world around them worse (Assassinating all those commonwealth diplomats for all of no reason, University Point)
>>317380956
>70 years after we nuked Japan
>Nagasaki and Hiroshima are relatively modern towns
What the fuck this is nothing like my Fallout games. Those gooks are supposed to be living in shacks made of corrugated metal.
>>317385523
Don't they hate the institute for all the kidnapping and infiltration though?
>>317385509
Wooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwww Thanks Todd. Just like when I showed up after building the teleporter with the minutemen. (fuck off all my shit is stored in sanctuary, Im not pack muleing it all to the other side of the map) and Maxson is all pissed off.
>>317385461
I havent done brotherhood run but if Im correct once danse leaves for thequest where you have to hunt him down he isnt available as a companion anymore.
Also a good tip, take any companion to the atom cats garage and command him into their armor thats just standing there, the companion will get in and atom cats wont be hostile
Is shaun black if you make both parents black aswell?
Am I the only one that chose Minuteman, finished the main story, and wasn't hostile with BoS? Literally went to the Prydwen and did more quests for the Knight-Captain with no problems.
>>317378203
>thinking scientific advancement is an absolute spectrum and that "if you're advanced enough to do this you also have to be advanced enough to do all of this stuff that I deem "less scientifically advanced""
>>317385597
Bruh I dumb lucked out and made a save before I stepped on the teleporter. After 70 hours in I almost shit when I realized you get locked out of endings.
>>317385654
He designed their "free will"
How free is a will that is programmed? They are designed to mimic humans to humans, but that does not mean they are sentient.
>>317384279
>Didn't they fix that with DLC or something?
Yep and you're considered literally worse than Hitler for sending Fawkes in there when he is the objectively best choice for the job since radiation does jack shit to him.
>>317383474
"Brotherhood of cryptic twats" better for you?
>>317385965
Please stop with this shit and go read Schopenhauer's "On the freedom of the will'".
Theres no functional difference between a human will and a gen 3 synths.
>>317385709
But I like my synth Curie and by siding institute doesn't she essentially say fuck you to the MC?
>>317385654
>synths are made as pure humans without any mechanical parts, and thus are literrally humans
>no bro theyre machines
I still sided with the insitute for some reason mostly becauseRailroad are SJW white knights, Brotherhood is a discount badly made spess muhreens and minutemen are beyond pathetic
>>317385796
2 baby stage nukes
in the fallout verse it was world wide destruction with high yield mega fucking bombs. Tectonic plates shifted, the sky was black for years all around the globe, mass extinction of many animals.
>>317385064
chemotherapy =/= radiation
even then radation =/= radiation therapy
>>317385854
No you can spare him and then he still can be a follower. I mean if I side with a faction that kills BOS after that
>>317385523
If I were them, assuming we had envirodomes, I'd take over the glowing sea area and spread south up.
>>317386134
There is a significant one, you can't turn off a human with a number made by a human, nevermind what one fucking philosoph said.
>>317385709
Except you're wrong.
You become the leader of whichever faction you choose, clearly you've only done the Institute questline.
So technically you can change whatever you don't like about any of the factions once you go through with everything. You also get the option to let everyone escape before blowing up the Institute so the science is still there, in the heads of the people who escape.
Also, you really don't think the BoS wouldn't jew away all the tech possible from the Insitute and use it in a more humane way once they understand it, and stop it falling into the wrong hands of those who would abuse it, which is pretty much their ethos?
The ONLY thing they want rid of is Synths, and even then the only thing really keeping that going is Elder Maxson, who you replace.
Brotherhood is Best, become the leader and go all Elder Lyons on them.
>>317386270
You can turn off a human with a gun made by a human.
>>317386159
Copy her brain, edit/block whatever would make her leave you, upload into waifu body 2.0.
>>317385897
I'm a black male with a white wife. Shaun is black.
>>317385654
>the shit you've witnessed and the time you've spent with free synths
>can't talk about any of it to the people ignorant to synths free will and emotion
also
>take Curie to the Prydwen
>everyone just says "nice robot!"
does anyone at least acknowledge nick?
>>317386159
Not at all. If anything, siding with the institute is the best option for Curie because she can finally further her research.
She certainly regrets that there wasn't any other way to solve the problem, but she recognizes that it was for the greater good of science.
>TFW head of minutemen and Institute with Corser Curie by your side
>>317386159
Curie leaves when you join institute?, well shit now I have to reload
>>317386270
You can turn off a human by any number of things made by humans.
>>317385960
When do you get locked out? I just went to institute and got the first find this synth quest. At what point do I choose and how do you go Minutemen? I want to get all the endings to compare.
Also how the fuck are you supposed to afford KLEOs armor? It doesn't matter since I'm now constantly using X1 power armor, but I want it.
>>317383029
Well to be fair, the game does need an opt-out since there is a good few times where you can piss off the factions, but the Minutemen really suffer from underdevelopment. It seems instead of actual quests they got slapped with the radiant crap which I entirely blame on settlement construction.
>>317386270
That synth can turn you off with a bullet to the skull.
>>317385751
But they don't regard synths as anything to do with humanity, even though they regard them as the future of humanity.
![5562090+_c22f1b978a9fdf6ea32c80e5e6c4a467[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/WSHUF0k.png "5562090+ c22f1b978a9fdf6ea32c80e5e6c4a467[1]")
>>317386395
>>317386728
>>317386761
>shutting off a computer is the same as killing a man
Can you put another OS on the human afterwards?
Just fuck off, you can literally plug a USB into a synth and install motherfucking jellybean on him, I'm actually sad you can't install some radio firmware on a synth body and put lights in his eyes so you can decorate your room with the robot hull.
>>317378203
why doesn't he just make another identical person then and you can let the cancer'd one rot or whatever
>>317385709
>Side with Institute
>Regardless of your input Synths still continue to replace people, generations raised in the Institute still think the same about the wasteland
>Side of the Brotherhood
>Wipe out anyone who refuses to cooperate
>Guard and/or watch over all technology that's too dangerous for free use
>>317386891
>Can you put another OS on the human afterwards?
Not yet. However it wouldnt be impossible to repair the tissue damage and restart the body with a new brain, which wouldnt have the memories and links of the old.
>>317386891
>shutting off a computer is the same as killing a man
If you're shutting it off permanently and that computer contained a 1 to 1 reproduction of a the human brain then yes they are functionally the same thing.
I'm sorry this triggers you.
>>317386734
Towards the very end of each groups last quest. Before you hop in the teleporter in the institute a screen pops up "doing this will make the brotherhood hate you" I assume its like that for the other two. Then for the Minutemen quest when you come back from the institute and talk to the railroad you pick who you;re going to help, them or the Minutemen
>>317386712
Nope. You don't even get a "curie didn't like that"
Her dialogue is "Did they really have to die" and that's about it
>>317387053
>>317387059
Christ just fuck off
>>317380956
At least in west coast they know how to build proper buildings.
I hope obsidian gets to make another Fallout, preferably set in NCR
>>317386891
synths =/= androids
Synths are normal humands artificially created by the institute
Androids are just gen 1s with skin, sort of like valnetine
>>317386735
I have a feeling they'll get fleshed out or do cooler shit with a dlc coming up for the low price of 9.99!! Order now through Bethesda dot com tm etc etc
>>317387179
>stop proving me wrong >:(
Is there anyone who actually sided with the Railroad? the whole 'robots are actually people!!" plotline was some SJW tier horse shit
>>317387227
>he's wrong you guys! not totally tired of talking to idiots on /v/!
To those who think synths are people:
Which generation has rights? 1, 2, 3 or all of them? Would you apply the same rights to toasters? What about animals?
>>317386734
Just quicksave lots.
I haven't got to the railroad lockout bit, I assume the institute locks you in or outif you speak to father on the roof of MIT after two major missions with them
Minutemen lock you outafter a big defense of the castle.
Brotherhood locks you in after yourebuild liberty prime, and then find nukes to arm it with, and do the danse "blind betrayal missions" then talk to the blimp captain guy
It was frustrating with the BOS because I couldn't find a dialogue option to say "no, I will not kill my friends for you m8" and then suddenly I'm at war with the faction I'd just helped out shitloads
The institute locks you in or out first though, it'll say "you are now at war with X" when you get locked, and fail all of their quests for you
>>317380259
>it ain't me starts playing
>>317387312
Except that guy is clearly genuinely retarded
>>317387303
>SJW tier horse shit
while their cause is definetely shit, why does 4chan see the need to label everything they dont like SJW?
>>317387303
I sided with them for the trophy then reverted. They're noble, but batshit insane. Im tolerant of synths, but theyre crazy. Now Tinker Tom and Drummer Boy are cool.
>>317386926
That would make too much sense and it wouldn't ultimately be him. Also, it might start a dangerous tradition.
Head of Robotics about to die? Make him a synth and he'll be head of robotics forever. No new blood necessary.
>>317387198
No, Gen3's aren't based on living tissue, they don't have cells, they just have mechanical components working really closely to the human body, they are still just machines.
>the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death
Tell me how Synths are alive, they don't grow, they don't reproduce, they don't change.
>>317387059
>the code shuts off synths permanently
Nope they don't, it's literally shutting off a PC, not deinstalling the OS.
>>317387053
Tissue damage would be the same as hardware damage in this case.
Bethedsa =/= From software.
Where you find loot has no impact on the lore and it has no story behind it save for very specific pieces.
>>317387197
Say what you want but fallout 4 was chuck full of content, more so than NV and FO3, but replay value isnt as good as NV.
NV had alot more choices and endings, while FO4 is full of interesting shit that wears off after one ending, and the faction quests beyond BoS and institute are fucking boring. Minutemen quests being literal radiant quests
>>317387357
Well their standard "skins" are white so they are 4/5 of a normal human being for voting purposes.
>>317387428
This post is so reddit.
>>317387428
>YOUR TOASTER IS A PERSON TOO HOW DARE YOU USE IT TO COOK TOAST YOU SHITLORD
It sounds pretty SJW to me
>>317378203
>food still eligible after 210 years
I really fucking hate the new dialogue system. I could never ask people what I wanted or say what I wanted, never enough options and none of the characters explain themselves or their factions enough for me.
>>317387659
Preservatives mang
>>317387629
>things they never said
>>317387659
advanced radiation based food preservation technology
>>317387487
We dont have enough material to rreally say.
But if you look at the manufacturing process in the institute it strongly implies that Gen 3s are for the most part human. Minus reproduction.
>>317387080
Thanks, dodged a bullet there
>>317380956
>post apocalyptic game
>Surprised when the setting is post apocalyptic.
You're right, Fallout 5 should have every one in modern homes and clean clothing. I'm sure everyone would love that. Frankly its the reason I play Fallout games
>>317387303
I agree with the whole "conscious intelligent beings have rights" shtick but they take it a little far, and don't actually do anything else to help anyone.
I also don't see why I have to blow up the institute with any faction when I have a fucking army to just teleport in and shoot anyone who fights back.
But no no, we have to destroy all progress and some relatively innocent scientists too
>>317387742
>things they never said
It was the entire plot point on Synths in the game. That somehow tools are people and should be treated as such
>>317387703
It's been like this in all Fallouts and most RPGs. They rarely account for everything you might want to do or say.
It's the worst when their should be a way to call a faction out on their ideology and debate it.
I was hoping this would have Dude Sex HR tier debates, but of course not.
>>317387357
Well 3's have capacity for emotion and free thought, if they achieve it then I'd consider them people with the same rights.
1s and 2s seem more like clear cut robots.
>>317387303
At first I wanted to, because well I have synth companions and think they deserve to life as much as anyone, than came the moment they wanted me to kill other factions and I was out, reminded me of the fucker House who wanted me to kill the BOS in new vegas, dude had it coming
>>317378203
>210 years passed
>language haven't changed
>no schools
>people haven't degenerated to hood nigga level
>>317384692
>random military outpost
>sentry bots, turrets and shit
>door unlocks with master level terminal
>safe with master level lock
>pipe pistol, jet and bottle caps
>>317387428
Social
Justice
Warrior
"Social justice is the view that everyone deserves equal economic, political and social rights and opportunities."
Which is exactly the railroad's views. Bethesda is trying to make you think synths=niggers and the synth fight is equal to the fight against slavery and therefore just. They even named the freedom fighters "The railroad" after the underground railroad that was used against slavery. BUT THE RAILROAD WOULD HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF ACTUAL SLAVES.
>>317387915
Did they say all tools or synthetic being who believe they are people.
>>317387915
Deacon says that while there is some disagreement in the organisation Dez and him view anything below gen 3 as essentially a "protectron" and only gen3 are worth saving
>>317387303
I did but thentold Shaun to screw off after bunker hill and went with the Minutemen
They mean well but I just couldn't get behind it all the way. Nick Valentine made me want to join though.it is funny though that father at the end where robo Shaun comes with to old castle and gives you fathers holotape says this synth, then says this boy. Even he thought like that at the end.
>>317388016
I'm not hearing a difference.
>>317387764
>minus reproduction
So Curie gets a human-like vag anus and mouth and can't reproduce? Sounds like Nate is gonna have fun.
>>317387987
Slavery was still a thing in 50's America.
>>317387979
I HATE THIS
SO
MUCH
Why is this safe locked so tightly if the only thing in it is garbage?
>>317387816
FALLOUT IS SUPPOSED TO BE FUCKING POST-POST APOCALYPTIC YOU INGRATE
>>317387953
Nick is a 2
>>317387964
>what are raiders
>what are tribals
>implying all degeneration leads to niggerhood
>no schools
there are schools and just because people used to live on a farm didn't mean they couldn't learn to speak reasonably well, count, and do other shit.
They're also surrounded by English interfaces with computers and books they need to understand. Maintaining a proper understand of english is important.
>>317387987
>no knowledge of actual slaves
>situated in a city saturated with pre-war history
>>317387357
People and rights are two 'can of worms' words. Synths by definition are not people regardless.
Anyway, a human personality requires intact cognitive functions, senses, individual traits (A product of personal experience, inborn, etc), and the ability to make decisions (qualifier: not 'free' will because this concept is retarded). So gen 3 Synths have all this and are basically inorganic people (and as such cannot be called people because they're a different species but still).
Gen 1 and 2 synths are clearly just robots. Toasters are toasters. And animals already have rights.
>>317388182
Romanced her Cait, and Piper just to see if I could. I figured once you romanced one you were stuck. Lol nope. Even carried Nora's wedding ring the whole game.
>>317388284
>a post-apocalyptic roleplaying game
>it's just a game
Bravo Todd
So i killed all the BoS after doing the quest to kill Railroad. What now
>>317387818
>Hey so Patriot said we could get 13 synths out
>NOT GOOD ENOUGH
>START AN UPRISING AND GET EVERY SYNTH OUT
>KILL EVERYONE IN YOUR PATH WHO OPPOSES YOU
Alright so Minutemen it is
>>317387917
Maybe but I really noticed it on this gamekept wanting to scream at Shaun "these fuckers killed your mom, kidnapped you, and brainwashed you. You are now kidnapping and experimenting on innocent people, what the fuck are you doing?
Just hate that I couldn't say what I really wanted to say. Also I didn't think there was enough dialogue between my character and my choice of companion and partner Piper.
>>317387917
>ave Dude Sex HR tier debates
Human revolution is fucking crap:
>press one of 3 GIANT BUTTONS to pick an ending, (what kind of a studio has a giant delete video, upload video, edit video buttons?)
>boohoo I hate augmented people because my leg does not work and I cant have augs because my genes are shit (no seriously, you can get the guy who sent that virus thing to admit that this is his reasoning)
>nothing you do matters, walk into a police station and kill everyone, who gives a shit,
>in the final mission kill key members of all three factions, so picking an ending is eve nmore stupid
>>317388165
father pls
>>317388246
:/
>>317388284
Only on most of the west coast according to bethesda.
>>317384121
>>317385462
jet is literally made from brahmin shit, a post war animal
>>317387987
how did the legion know of the roman then?
>>317388358
>gave one wedding ring to piper
>other to curie
man if only I could find a third to give to cait after I bone her.
I can't handle that accent though, this is truly the greatest flaw of voice acted RPGs, some fuck eventually will put an irish person in one
>>317387197
>>317380956
>Fallout 1, 2 ,3 , NV
>Homes are either shacks, pre-war or constructed by highly skilled and professional people with special tools like a GECK
Someone post Junktown, New Reno, Primm etc
>>317388246
Yeah but not in 2087 when the bombs hit.
>>317388358
Marriage is until death do you part. And Nora got shot by a cereal company.
At what point does Curie give it up? She's gotten flustered twice past the "admires you" point and my MC flirted successfully back but then it was mostly "oh how do you humans do this? I can't think with so many emotions" and that was the end of it.
>>317378203
Why do you fags always jump on the cancertrain?
No where it is said that he had cancer, it's actually a mystery what he has. The only explaination you get is that you are slowly dying.
Stop being so fucking retarded.
>>317388436
The ending buttons were retarded but making him see reason was well done.
Better then fallout at least.
>nothing you do matters
The idea is to develop beyond this in new titles, not have this just be a thing we can come to expect. Yeah, HR wasn't perfect, didn't think 4 would be either, but seeing some progress instead of the same mistakes is the biggest disappointment.
>>317388667
He literally says its aggressive cancer when the doc is with him and you walk up to talk to him you fucking moron.
>>317388517
placeat.player itemID
>>317388453
>>317388575
Nevermind my joking, but why is there no slavery in Fallout 4?
I didn't find any yet in 130 hours.
Did Bethesda get too much flak for Paradise Falls by triggered black SJW's getting cotton field flashbacks while not playing the game?
>>317388775
He doesn't, make a screenshot to prove me wrong you faggot.
>>317388517
I've never met Cait. Where is she?
>Irish
Oh, ew.
>>317388746
I think bethesda has actually made a lot of progress, stop comparing fo4 to NV and 1 and 2, and compare it to fo3, 4 is a clear improvement
>>317388398
That was my deciding factor as well. Fuck that bitch.
>>317388867
Yeah let me load up a 8 hour old save and do that right now fuckmunch. He says it, go watch a play through. They say it's cancer.
>>317388891
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fallout+4+cait
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Cait
>>317388831
You can sell a boy to a slaver
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQCgagwf4AU
so they're somewhere
>>317388892
Nope. Bethesda did bug testing on Fallout NV and published it. They're too entwined with the product to escape comparisons.
>>317388892
technical? yes, still not 2015 AAA level though. they can scale their world down for a smoother experience. they dont.
game design? yes and no
writing? yes, a bit
the direction they are heading in? no
>>317389130
I knew you could sell him but I didn't think he was a slaver, looked more like some Pedo ghoulfetishist, I told him 200 caps are not enough and followed the ghoul to his parents.To kill them after they paid me, purge the wasteland
>>317378203
>People still think there's a cure to cancer
The only way you could cure cancer is if your cells did not degrade in any way at all when they divide.
>>317389129
>he didn't read the last line of my post
What a dipshit
>>317389153
NV is made by obsidian a studio known for its writing, you cant expect bethesda to suddenly become good writers because of some other developers work
again fo4 is a big improvement over fo3, even in some aspects of the writing - companions for one thing are greatly improved
>>317387303
I did. I'm trying to do a Mad Max playthrough like I usually do in Fallout. It's all about caps and supplies. I don't want to help people so I didn't do Minutemen. I hate the Brotherhood of Steels ideals. The institute were up to some suspicious shit.
Seemed like the only choice I relatively agreed with.
>>317387357
Only 3s, they're just manmade humans. 1s are robots and 2s are robots with memories and personalities planted in them. Nick's programmed to have free will while Curie's synth form DOES have free will.
>>317387403
It's called unfortunate son you shit
>Creates a bunch of satellites and space relay systems that become Sirius Satellite Radio
>then builds an android head replica of her wife with AI so advanced that it's alarming
>can't cure cancer
>>317388284
>POST-POST APOCALYPTIC
This is a retarded concept, which is not taken seriously even in the original game, as almost everything is a desert and most cities are made of trash too.
>>317388398
She was a huge bitch from the get go. I'm not asking for dicksucking but at least show some courtesy. Hell even Danse and the BoS were more polite when I met them at the police station. Whereas Desmondela whatever meets you with enough chips on her shoulder to make guacamole. Hell I met the BoS in the middle of a siege when they were a solitary recon squad in the middle of unknown territory and they didn't hold a gun to my face and grill me like it's gitmo.
>>317389487
I swear I saw this full video once years ago but I've never been able to find it since.
>>317387478
Tinker Tom's a fucking retard.
>>317389215
level design is much better compared to fo3, map actually feels 3d since a lot of locations allow vertical movement
combat is much better
companions are better
weapon/armour crafting is very well done
we have armour layering and 6 slots + clothing, something they havent done since when - morrowind?
>>317388436
You killed Sarif? Asshole.
>>317383669
>doesn't even make sense that the BoS want to kill the Synths, they should want to capture them for themselves.
No it does make sense because they were always very pro-human.
It's weird that you would leave that out of your post, they hate ghouls and super-mutants and are trying to preserve humanity in this, its purest form, at all costs. It makes perfect sense that they would be enraged by the synths masquerading as humans.
>>317389729
>combat is better
It's the exact same as new Vegas. How is it different?
>>317389882
I was really disillusioned at that point and ran around like a retard shooting everything that moves, the game wasnt that bad its a solid 7/10 but I was so hyped up that it still felt like a huge disappointment
>>317389517
Fallout 2 is the post post
Fallout 1 is post
>>317389534
Power armor and superior training makes them overconfident whereas a railroad agent knows a unit of synths can and are actively try to fuck their shit up. They can't afford the brotherhood's self assuredness. Hanging their insignia all over the place and shit.
>>317390013
>It's the exact same as new Vegas.
Go back and play new vegas. Then try to say that again.
>>317381735
Aztecs had the wheel on toys but it was pointless in general since no beast of burden to make use if it since llamas arent strong
>>317384003
>>317384871
They once sent a synth to massacre a meeting of a bunch of leaders in the Commonwealth. Not exactly the actions of "oh no, it's fine, this is for the greater good, silly wasteland plebs don't understand"
>>317388421
Yeah it pissed me off you couldn't even mention the FEV experiments to his face.
>>317390013
exact same as modded NV maybe, could you even sprint in fo3, I know for a fact that even something as simple as ironsights was absent in it and was actually an addition of new vegas
but the improvements are the ability to bash with a weapon and the way guns actually feel, I know its very vague, but shooting is much more satisfying in fo4 then in fo3
>>317388657
>cereal company
Fucking kek
Just keep toting her around, one way to give you a lot of like points is to do the experiment in the CIT polymer labs with her.
>Got the minutemen to raid his shitty fucking Institute
>Get to his deathbed and shot him before he could speak
>Nuked that shithole and skipped the end cutscene
>Shot every minuteman on that tower
>Jumped to my death
>Uninstalled the game off my computer
Why can't I tell him to give up the act and tell me what he's learned after I'm the leader of the institute?
>>317390161
I have since Fo4 came out. I'm still waiting on you to tell me what's different. Same cursor in mid screen, same iron sights, same VATS. I say this as a rifle user, and it feels the exact same.
>>317389497
>her
reality... is stranger than fiction. This feels like a ruse.
>man is genius
>builds space shit
>becomes billionaire
>becomes a woman
>becomes a lesbian
>marries a homely black woman
>devotes life to building android replica of ugly black wife
>>317389615
Eh I liked how he was "sorandumb" and zany. Like he is the epitome of a chem baby. Im just happy he found work.
>>317390284
forgot to mention the cover system, which could use an improvement but is still a huge step forward
>huge bulking armor
>can paint it blue
>wield a serrated electric blade
>jet back with aoe landing damage
>Burn the Institute. Kill the mutant. Purge the Raider.
>Ad Victoriam
Nice 40k simulator
>Not striking from the sky with your brothers
>ISHYGDDT
>>317384121
There's a vault where the citizens were all druggies and they went five years on a rehab course because there were no drugs available, then walls opened with tonnes of drugs behind them
There's a skeleton wearing a vault suit huffing jet in a toilet stall
>>317390513
It's difficult to put to words, but as a fellow rifle user, it doesn't simply feel "better"..."smoother"..."2x the chocolate flavor" to you?
>>317387303
>He didnt want to to be part of a undergrounf militia with codenames
fag
I'm starting to see a pattern but I'm not entirely sure, for science:
List who you sided with in 4, who you sided with in NV and then explain why
House
Institute
For the betterment of technology and mankind
>spend budget inviting celebrities to my party
>forget to invest in actual game design
>>317388546
I'll post NCR instead.
>>317378538
Easy. Institute had technology they didn't wanna give to the brotherhood seeing as they were enemies. Brotherhood obviously isn't near that tech level
>>317390284
modded nv still has shitty zerg rush ai and poor animation. the nuance of satisfying animation and sounds cant be achieved by modders it seem. even stalker arsenal overhaul feel really stiff compared to any aaa fps this year (gore and feedback mostly).
>>317390852
NCR cause Military boner and yeah taxes suck, but hey someone to watch over the mojave
Minutemen Moral fag ahoy!
>>317390904
>When is Fallout Boy playing
>>317390738
Yeah I know, but in the secret stash there's no Jet, only in the stall and it could be that the gunners had fun posing the skeletons like this, they have been living there for long afterall.
>>317390904
>Where is the movie?pretty sure it's Zenimax's event, not Todd's
>>317390786
I really can't tell. I was good at headshots in NV, and I still am in 4. The only difference I can see is the almost useless for long range chars dedicated melee button. Sprinting and dedicated grenade button were among the first NV mods I downloaded, so I guess they count? But in terms of shooting things, it feels the same to me.
My laser sniper feels smoother than my actual .308 though.
>>317384212
I think you're misusing SJW a bit
You seem to be using is in a negative way, in comparison to modern SJW plights
They're SJWs fighting for real social justice issues, akin to segregation and women's suffrage
Did anyone else feel like picking up New Vegas again after playing 4 for a while?
>>317378203
That's like expecting a geneticist to operate a spacecraft or a physicist to perform open heart surgery.
There's lots of different branches of science, and being an expert in one doesn't in any way mean you're an expert in another.
And even those branches have their own branches, like medical science.
>>317391230
Most of /v/.
>>317390469
Because he has nothing to do with the institute?
>>317390730
I hate how puny all the melee weapons are when you are in power armor.
He wields the damn super sledge in one hand for gods sake.
>>317391208
I feel more accurate and the enemies are more responsive to being shot.
>>317391213
Robots are not a race of human beings nor a sex of human beings. I believe having thought and self awareness means that they should have free will, but they are not the same as humans. Sorry.
>>317390967
Yes, the NCR is an exception, literally a new nation.And the best one
>>317386340
You don't become the leader of BOS. Maxson doesn't die.but he promotes you to Sentinel
>>317391069
>gunners wasting perfectly good jet and other drugs on practical jokes
>>317391258
It shows them growing an entire human worth of muscle onto a robot frame in a matter of minutes. Shouldn't be hard to stop cancer when you could literally just go to town with a saw and rebuild all the stuff you destroy.
So i killed him right after i met him, then stormed the place with minuteman and nuked his hq and got some shitty black and white slide show
is this the end?
>>317391372
I think grognak's axe in PA iirc.
Tell you what, you give me the spawn code, and I'll check for you right now.
>>317390985
I thought that the Brotherhood were like the most technologically advanced fuckers ever.
>>317381782
Apparentally, plastic is used somewhere in there, but not metal.
>synth shaun only ever interacts with you by screaming and flailing for father
>massacre everyone synth shaun has ever known in railroad run
>"Dad let me come with you"
>>317391384
Is that because you got the "knock shit down with a rifle" perk or do you mean like flinching or...? And I don't think you can shoot guns out of their arms anymore, just seems like it fucks up their aim. But I did like canceling TOUCHDOWNs and taking many of them out with one shot to the muslim super mutants arm.
So the NCR won in nevada lore wise? Who's winning in boston? Brotherhood are the only guys I see on the street actually having a presence while the rest are all underground or covert. Also while on patrol I saw super mutants shoot down one of those BoS planes, then a fucking guy in power armor came down crashing from the sky and killed all the mutants.
>>317391419
What happens if you kill him after becoming Sentinel? You're technically the next in line.
>>317384461
Because all them them will want muh freedom and start trying to get out
>>317391505
ff002c79
Still the lack of thunderhammer ruins my space marine roleplay.
>>317391525
No. It's between the Institute and Big Mountain right now and Big MT would look more impressive in the current iteration of the creation engine too.
>>317391551
Real shaun reprogrammed synth shaun to come with him. I want to believe he acts up later in the game because real shaun made him a sleeper agent
>>317391551
>"Dad let me come with you"
>"Come on Anon, he's your son"
>totally calm voice
>"This is a synth"
>"DAD PLEASE!"
>angry as fuck voice
>"YOURE NOT SHAAUUUNNNNN!"
>suddenly totally calm
>"You're staying here"
That being punctuated with the "Yeah" and "Uh huh" that play when you skip dialogue sent my sides into orbit.
>>317391606
Brotherhood has the Prwydyn but (logically) it only carries 8 or so vertibirds so all the ones you see crash/fly around are just fillers to make the world seem fun. Id say the brotherhood has a good chance of taking the common wealth, but half a dozen coursers could take out the ship like nothing.
>>317391721
>Big MT
>visually impressive
>>317390852
Yes man
Institute
I like tech and I want it to be mine not someone elses.
>>317391482
Oh well I haven't played Fallout 4 so I did not know that. I just fucking hate the "scientist character is good at all kinds of science" trope.
>>317391782
lamo
I took him. I'm just not that cruel man.
>>317388513
The legion didn't. Only Caesar did.
>>317390852
It was a close call between minutemen and institute but I chose institute in the end
Yes man
I believe in natural order, all that is wrong will fix itself in due time
>>317391909
Fallout 4 doesn't have this. Each of them have their subspecialities just like in real life. I hate being expected to know fields outside my own by non scientists that don't understand. I am not a fucking physicist.
>>317391585
You can't shoot them out of their arms and I don't have the perk.
Flinching and blood splatter. Also the covers system AI uses. A lot better than CS 1.1.1 style standing before the edge of a wall and crouching.
>>317391606
Minutemen do patrols, railroad are covert but have agents around if you know their identity, and I don't think the victory is clear.
The radio in kellogs dream said NCR united 5 states or something, but that's way be NV's timeline.
>>317391909
They have a ton of scientists down there doing all kinds of work, from genetically modifying plants to building copies of humans that are basically perfect. They could probably end cancer if they weren't wasting time making synthetic gorillas and shit.
>>317391585
>muslim super mutants arm
>>317390852
House
Railroad
I thought this was the worst BoS group yet, the Minutemen against the Institute seemed pretty absurd and I didn't understand the Institute's motives at all, from where I was standing they built 'sentient' beings to clean their toilets.
I didn't feel too satisfied with the Railroad but at least they had sweet music in their HQ and I got to play double agent inside the Institute.
>>317384003
I thought most people they took were escape synth like dense.
They just reset them and that's why they seem more robot after being reset.
If anything it's railroad false for starting the whole mess
>>317382924
He's at the BoS airship thing.
>>317390013
Gunplay is way better in FO4. I say this as an Obsidian fanboy.
>>317384692
And Legendary Radroaches can drop miniguns
>>317392120
>suicide bomber mutants
>>317379508
> All cancers are the same
herp derp
>>317384692
Basically everything can be explained.
Pipe weapons in pre-war safes? People started to become paranoid during all the chaos before the great war so they locked up weapons in case the government would do something like take all their guns or something.
Half the time I don't know if people are just shitposting or lacking any sort of abstract thinking.
>>317392120
>he hasn't encountered the allahu ackbar super mutants that attempt to jihad you
They're even called Suiciders
>>317392120
The suiciders, shoot the mini nuke from afar for infinite ragdoll/gib lols
Why does Bethesda think that FEV + Human = Supermutant?
>>317388546
>can assemble turrets and (nuclear?) reactors
>can't mix a batch of concrete
What's the lowest level I can reasonably expect to get X01 armor from the leveled spots? I'm 26 now I guess that's not enough?
>>317392062
>Also the covers system AI uses.
this, plus the fact that you can use cover too
>>317390852
House
Railroad
Least damage, most rational. Synths are obviously sentient.
>>317391782
Can someone replace those dialogue skips with crude SS13 style farts already.
>>317378203
The cancer isn't naturally-occurring, it was triggered by the processes used to take his DNA and use it as a template for the third-generation synths.
So it's way more than regular cancer, it's a genetic mutation presenting itself as aggressive cancer.
>>317391701
>ff002c79
might want to double check this
>>317391852
For NV? Yeah. It'd look better in creation 2.0.
>>317378203
>go to cryosleep
>wake up
>no baby
>MISS WIFE IS CAT FOOD
>>317392206
>Kill a legendary mosquito
>Get a unique fat man that does 100% more damage on anything with full health
Was it cancer or was it FEV?
>>317392237
Thats silly. A marine biologist wouldn't make a gun out of wood and old plumbing and then hide it in a safe with a dozen rounds of five kinds of ammo that dont even fit that gun, along with a retarded amount of bottle caps.
![[CBM]_Hellsing_Ultimate_-_04_-_[720p]_[1370CB6B].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/G39GAIO.jpg "[CBM] Hellsing Ultimate - 04 - [720p] [1370CB6B]")
>>317390852
NCR
Brotherhood
NCR is the only faction with plans to use Hoover Dam which could supply power and water to every single person west of the Colorado. They are also gigantic with a functional military and relatively safe borders.
Most of their issues stem from organizational problems and growing pains that every developing nation has and can be sorted out without nukes or Caesar's plainly retarded plans based on what I can only imagine is based on some poorly interpreted second hand Hegel.
Fallout 4's retarded factions dictated that i go with the one with airships.
>>317392302
New Vegas did too. Did you not do anything in the super mutants ski lodge "town"? Didn't read terminals in that one science experiment vault?
>>317392293
>shoot the bomb
>not shooting the head to keep the bomb
pleb
>>317390852
Why would you join House though?
Yes man is basically the same ending but you are in control of everything and not a lackey of House.
>>317392317
Upper 30s, I think.
>>317392254
>>317392293
mod to change their name and models to Jihadists when?
>>317392440
>00183FCD
try that instead
>>317392553
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG28yZA6uIY
>>317392479
wish they had unique models the legendary should look like bad ass things that looked like they seen some shit not just a guy with a legendary text next to it.
>>317392514
Bruh, nolife here, Im level 70 and I already have like 90 mini nukes, I dont even use the fat man really.
>There are people who actually think the Institute is not the way forward
Not only are they that, they are the ONLY feasible way forward for mankind. If you choose any other faction, you are basically okay with the status quo (which is shit).
BoS doesn't care about anything except technology and all the other factions, except the Institute of course, are incapable of making a difference on a larger scale.
>>317392237
>Half the time I don't know if people are just shitposting or lacking any sort of abstract thinking.
These problems arise after use you abstract thinking, logical thinking, non-euclidean thinking, and come up with nothing but "it just works".
>>317384040
Making someone live longer is far easier than curing cancer.
Many of his organs were replaced with synthetic ones when they failed. He was under constant drug therapies.
He was more a Cyborg than a man.
>>317392507
The only thing I see as a counter agaisn't the NCR is that they are corrupt and don't help non NCR. But ya NCR is the only thing the west coast has to bring back humanity.
>>317392640
>That fucking touchdown
>>317392640
Oh sweet merciful jesus.
>>317392514
I used to do that until I realized i'm not gonna use the mini nukes and fat man because A- there's usually no reason to and B- the maybe I'll need them later mentality.
Whatever nukes I get normally in loot are plenty if I ever encounter anything worth using them on anyway.
How do I get the Touchdown achievement?
>>317392712
>the way forward is kidnapping people and then replacing them with robots
>the way forward is making robots so advanced, that they are sentient, and then enslaving them
>>317392712
I wanted to trust them, but seeing how they randomly kidnap and torture people before killing them and replacing them with androids just to test out how well their new crops grow in a radiated environment instead of just sending some synths up to get radioactive soil, and keeping the FEV project going for no reason at all, I decided to just go with the fascists. Ad victoriam brother.
>>317392627
Oh, I see. When I got it earlier, I used it in first person only just to see what it looked like. It's still 1h in PA in 3rd person.
>>317392712
Shaun "there is dirt on the sidewalks and the buildings are all fucked up, clean the slate and start anew." Nope.
>>317392515
>implying yes-man isnt in control
Id rather not have a huge target painted on my head and live in luxury than bother rebuilding civilization.
>>317392881
I have no idea, I got it when I got killed by a super mutant suicider.
>>317385654
But they're not. They fucking built them, they're just very complicated calculators. From the very little we know they're Turing machines.
There's a thought experiment that handles the question if computers can think very well, and also illustrate what a Turing machine, no mater how complicated, does. It's called The Chinese room argument and I'm baffled that it wasn't included in the game but that's Todd for you.
>>317392881
Let one of the terrorists bomb you.
>>317392882
Ugh its not hard to see what they were trying to do. They were trying to get ears in the governments and influence. If they just came in and said listen to us, the entire population would raid them, they are using soft power to influence them which works since they don't have to deal with war and random elements
Alright what the fuck was up with covenant, why couldnt you talk them out of being dicks, yet you could talk Tsar Thundercunt Maxson out of following the directive he devoted his life to?
>>317393049
what governments?
who were they trying to influence
They literally wanted to kill everyone
> If they just came in and said listen to us, the entire population would raid them, they are using soft power to influence them which works since they don't have to deal with war and random elements
So they are the Jews?
>>317392832
space jam mod when
>>317392882
>>317392950
>Muh ethical issues
You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs, faggots
>>317392976
every fucking hack writer includes the chinese room in this shit, fuck off
>>317392510
Those are remnants of The Master's army.
The Master specifically developed the dipping process to produce super mutants after years of trial and error.
Harold and The Master are also FEV mutants. But they aren't super mutants because they were not created with the dipping process.
Meanwhile Bethesda comes up with a vault full of FEV on the east coast that just spits out unlimited hordes of super mutants with zero leadership nor anyone intelligent enough to use the dipping process.
>>317392515
House will probably live for another 200 years and he sure as hell is better than having fuckers like Benny take over your empire when you die.
>>317393049
Trying to get theirs ears? Influence?
You mean kill anyone who they don't like and replace people?
Jesus fuck, I don't want to even know what you think capturing hearts and minds means.
>>317392964
That's what the securitrons are for. I don't remember many people trying to kill house, but its been some time since I last played
>>317393204
People aren't eggs, dipshit
>>317392976
From what the game tells us, they are literally indistiguishable from humans other that a couple metal bits and a recall code
>but the code!
Totally irrelevant. You can knock someone comatose anyways.
>>317393160
Diamond City is the biggest settlement in the Commonwealth. They replaced the leadership with their synths so they can keep tabs on the place and also control it to a degree.
>>317393264
DLC? Pretty sure they are planing on doing one focused on mutants.
>>317393204
Wait until you're the egg getting cracked edgy little fucker.
>>317392972
>>317393039
So it's literally an achievement that you can not get if you're not retarded
>>317393204
>let's genocide billions of people because I definitely know better than anyone
>>317393421
>greenskins are gud bois they dindu nuthing
>>317393204
They didn't even try breaking eggs. They saw the mother hen and fed her to a grinder.
I'm honestly surprised they didn't develop and release a "kill everything" virus that only they were immune to.
>>317393264
>Those are remnants of The Master's army.
I was hoping there was a retarded bethesda alternate strain instead of turning a intellectually varied body of mutants into orcs 2.0.
>>317390434
>Get the quest to find the railroad.
>Can't be assed to play anymore.
I have NEVER finished a Fallout game after 2. They just cannot hold my interest.
>>317393347
If they had free will then they could make their own personalities but they just copy and simulate someone elses.
>>317393284
Yeah but what im saying is if you take over everybody is gonna be gunning for you.
With House in charge you get freedom and power.
>>317393471
Yeah. I got it because I turned my head for a second and didn't realize one snuck up behind me. Then I reloaded and realized what happened and laughed at the pun. Lighten up kid.
>>317392640
>mama murphy is standing there at the end like nothing fucking happened
>>317393396
The institute was going to burn the mayor because he was a shit. Drag him in the waste and cap his ass. Not even recycle his parts. They made their mind that humanity was for naught and that the only way forward was a mass cleanse of life above and restore the Earth with just them.
>>317393269
Ok when you consider the fate of New Vegas in general that's right, I was thinking more egoistical, build up a the dynastical empire of Vegas
>>317393549
After a memory wipe they do create their own personalities.
>>317393229
> Butthurt functionalist detected
I've never came across it in pop culture. Where did you stumble upon it?
>>317393347
Yea well those "couple metal bits" can be fairly important.
>>317393585
>it's just a sight
>>317393585
Only the drugs can kill her.
>>317393345
>I take analogies literally
>>317393512
Are you going to argue that what the Institute has got is not vastly preferable to the wasteland on the surface? The people had 200+ years to get their shit together and didn't accomplish jack shit.
>>317393671
What? Like a metal brain instead of a gooey bio-brain?
Why is that relevant?
>>317378538
>power armor needs batteries
This is a fucking joke and a moronic retcon. It should either not need a battery at all or use a fucking nuclear reactor just like about everything else in that universe.
>>317393551
True but after you beat a whole NCR army ,the whole legion and dominated new Vegas with the new robots, I doubt anyone would dare stand against you, maybe the NCR later on. I doubt some small time crooks are even the families want to fuck with the guy that destroyed the 2 most dominant forces in the region.
This is a Bethesda Western Super Mutant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnFObb3lPGQ
This is a Black Isle Western Super Mutant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y97_Wz4fAtA
>>317385924
All I keep hearing about minutemen is that you had to nuke the BoS in it. So you dont?
>>317392712
>you are basically okay with the status quo
Every Fallout game is the same fucking thing no matter what you do anyways, might as well go with the status quo.
>>317393647
>After a memory wipe they do create their own personalities.
No, they don't. They literally get their whole memory wiped, they formate the drives, afterwards they need a new personality installed.
They are computers, advanced ones but not people.
Do you remember ZAX?
Or EDEN?
>>317393606
Don't be ridiculous. At no point do they imply that they intend to kill everyone. All Shaun decides when he sees the surface is that it is hopeless and that the Institute should remain underground, at least for the time being.
>>317393741
Arguably the institute hasnt accomplished all that much in 200 years down there with all their resources and tech, while despite adversity humanity is still dominant above.
>>317393671
Read a book, nigger
>>317393862
Fallout 4 mutants are an improvement. they like havan fun fightan and shotan humies just don't get them which is why they get confused and end up getting killed.
>>317393807
If said metal brain turn out to be a Turing machine, it does matter due to >>317392976
>>317393741
If you talk with piper at the end it seems like a large part of that was the institutes fault. They subtetly fucked with things on the surface.
>>317393862
>Strong
>Western
Did you even play the game a little bit?
>>317393741
>The people had 200+ years to get their shit together and didn't accomplish jack shit.
Yeah, the radiation, mutants, giant fuckbugs, psychopaths, malfunctioning robots, and general weathering really shouldn't be an issue, I mean, come on. It's 2287.
>>317378538
>power armor needs batteries
In all fairness fanfiction gets basic facts wrong like this all the time.
>>317393862
>FEV cannot affect individuals in varying degrees
>>317393991
Nice answer, double nigger.
>>317393964
That's impossible, they can't kill everyone. Shit like Death Claws and Ghouls would just get more numerous.
>>317383235
the kid goes wherever you left the minnitman nigger or your Weatherby robot butler, i can't remember which. your kid can give you a quest to get a gun which you don't have to reload
>>317394001
>Super Mutants
>"confused" about humans
>"NOW IS THE AGE OF THE SUPER MUTANT!"
>"YOU CREATED US! NOW PAY FOR YOUR ARROGANCE!!"
Yeah, sure, okay.
>>317393835
No but try getting a drink in a pub. All it takes is one bitter (rember all those enemies you made?) asshole to shank you.
This is all hypthetical of course. In-game for all I know your END is so high knives dont hurt you.
>>317393862
> I didn't play Fallout 2 nor 4.
>>317394058
(slimey limey voice)
"I mean come on America, it's 2287"
>>317394048
I'm not at the point where it's explained, I just got to the institute and some posters say it's they're western travelers, some say they're institute creations that escaped somehow.
I can't wait to hear how they got out of the underground lab by the thousands.
>>317393647
Some synths inside the institute have developed their own personalities, but they just call it malfunction and reset them.
>>317393862
1st gen vs any other one
nigga you went full retard
>>317392881
I got it when I got quick scoped by some fucking Rider with a Fat Man
>>317394156
Depending on your reputation I would guess people would run out of the pub when they see the courier but I see your point, I was more concerend that House would off me once I helped him, because he would fear I want to take over.
>>317394104
It'd be cool if we saw that in game. It's supposed to be that some of them come out retards, some more or less normal, some higher intelligence.
We have orcs in Fallout 4.
>>317379508
I hope you know that once the tumor has erupted, it is impossible to cure because the cancer cells are inside your entire bloodstream. There is a reason why it is called Cancer.
>>317394021
The only thing they did was stop the forming of the Commonwealth Coalition, presumably so that they would not have to deal with a NCR/Legion situation when they would have the means to expand their operations to the surface.
Shaun might have delayed that indefinitely now that he saw the sorry state of the surface, though.
>>317394153
Dey just havan fun you silly humy, dey are ok with humies as long as they have fud in da belly. Strong gonna unite the muties and form them into a faction to help da humies.
>>317394252
Nothing escapes from the Institute, they "escape".
>>317392712
> Institute creates synth that reaches ASI level
>it decides, 'hey, these meatbags are in the way of me achieving xxx, better kill them all
>humanity ded
>>317393941
People ARE advanced computers. Just biological ones.
Plus they dont always need memory wipes, as >>317394293 said.
>>317394446
Impossible, they are just advanced calculators.
>>317382276
Father stopped all of that research, for whatever reason. Really wish they'd have explained that more. Hatred of Kellogg? Wanted Synths to be the future? ???
>>317385897
Yes and if Shaun is black, he cannot be the head of institute and neither can you.
>>317394385
>sorry state of the surface
>having a hundred or so people underground doing jack shit but taking shit, stealing people, torturing people, experimenting on people, replacing people, creating unethical robotic abominations and much more disgusting shit is better
I would rather live on the surface desu. Give the Minutemen and people a chance to make the world a little safer, it's a slow process obviously but it will get better. The institute did fuck all but harm innocent people the entire time they existed.
>>317394404
Nuke Boston
>>317394153
Wonder why they haven't created or joined any communities outside of gore bag filled crumbling buildings.
>>317394210
>>317394308
Ah, so only the later gen or- I mean super mutants made it east.
>>317394472
Do you hate yourself, anon?
Do you want to get cocked by another lifeform?
>>317394472
incorrect humans and even bacteria have been shown to have free will. They are just really advanced simulators that have no free will.
>>317381421
Except it's not. The studio has changed since then, son.
>>317378203
>creates perfectly functional synthetic humans
Do tell.
As someone who works close with cancer researchers, it's just impossible to cure cancer. There will never be a cure. Sorry to tell you guys
>>317382276
Shaun never considered that option.
In his personal terminal you will find diary entries about how every scientist in the Insitute experienced a deep envy on Kellog's immortality.
Shaun could most likely get to the 200 years old life span but that would destroy his (already weak) leadership.
>>317394669
>Free Will
>2015
Oh buddy my sides
>>317394418
and here I wanted a reason to believe they were inadvertently and irresponsibly evil, not cat stroking bond villains in denial.
>>317394374
No, there are multiple strains in use, it's just that the Institute chooses which ones to keep, kill for further study, or send out into the wastes (because you can't just pile up Mutie bodies). Virgil used a strain that made him retain his intelligence, but his aggression was steadily making him lose focus.
>>317394776
aint nothing wrong with killing cats.
>>317394446
To me the most ethical option is leaving the synths that are alive left alone (the good ones) and destroying the institute so more don't get made.
>>317381623
Fucking this right here, I had the hardest time making any decision in the main quest because I just didn't know why the institute was making the synths in the first place. Do they ever explain it beyond: "Humanity reborn"?
>>317394472
>People ARE advanced computers. Just biological ones.
That's bullshit and you know it. A simulated brain isn't more conscious than a simulated cloud is wet.
Why is there so much clothing that can't have the arm/leg pieces put on them?
I'm still wearing the fucken vault suit cuz all I've got it Long Johns and a few other shit that isn't any good.
>>317394749
There is a cancer cure already available though, but it was just recently bought up by a big corporation who's selling it for a ridiculous mark up, from the original $2 that it was previously available for.
>>317378203
get radiation every 2 minutes of just wlaking around the wasteland
nobody gets cancer
>>317394657
FUCKING NIGGER. NO YOUR WORSE. YOU'RE A MOTHER FUCKING LESBIAN.
>>317394635
>210 years of scientific progress not hindered by naysayers or ethical concerns
>Jack shit
The people on the surface are irrelevant. The Institute will last while they die out.
>>317390852
Legion
Going to side with either Minutemen or BoS
I just want peace in the wasteland.
>>317394749
Can I tell people to stop donating and save it for sweaters for puppies or acrobats without boundaries?
>>317394887
that's for aids
>>317393862
>Tony Jay
too soon
>>317394882
BALANCE. (prevent clipping is hard, dont bother)
>>317390241
How strong are Tapirs?
>>317394878
Consciousness is an emergent property of the brain and there is no evidence to suggest it is some special property unique to biological ones.
>>317387958
>destroy the institute
every fucking faction wants to do this
>destroy the brotherhood
you dont even take action against them until they come into the railroad hq with gatling lasers and shit
captcha: trains
>>317394863
You turn off your computer even though it simulates entire worlds. Why care about turning off a synth?
>>317394871
No. I couldn't find any dialogue options or terminals or anything that explained that to me. I didn't know why they were doing it. Did they want to replace humans with synths eventually? For all I knew I thought that could've been the case but then after seeing father adamantly insist they aren't people and have no sentience etc. that seemed less likely.
The institute mostly father, always went on about the best hope for humanity but never explained why or how.
>>317392230
>>317392254
>>317392293
Dear god I hope someone mods them to scream allahu akbar before exploding.
>>317394882
Mods fix that.
>>317394782
I'll probably find this out within an hour, but ultimately, why?
>>317394019
If it was a turing machine, the institute would t be baffled by its unpredictability and the source of it.
>>317394669
So they're programmed to escape the institute?
>>317395107
They don't want to replace humanity, they are tools used by them to influence and get information. A synth is just a really advanced algorithm. There is nothing human about it.
People went to space before we've had CDs
>>317394937
>YOU'RE A MOTHER FUCKING LESBIAN.
Well gee I'd hope the male leader of the BoS likes women
>>317394938
And what's the point? Barely anyone is in the institute as we saw, they're "science" is wholly worthless and the synths are an abomination. They never contributed or helped the people up top ( the vast majority of humanity )
They were useless meddlers who used people as their playthings. They didn't do anything to benefit humanity. Humans weren't going extinct up top, just going through a rough patch.
>>317394882
>All the gear that looks good has 30 defense at best
>Or the far more likely 0 or 1 defense
>Fully armored army fatigues + fully upgraded combat armor gives 200
>Could almost live with it but there's literally no gloves on any of them
I miss the ranger armor.
The synths are just another project that the Institute is working on and not related to Father's statement about the Institute being humanity's best hope.
He says that because of all the other projects they've got going on and because of how well off the Institute is.
>>317394669
Free will?
Prove it.
>>317395040
Even if we assume consciousness is an emergent property, and assume that it doesn't have to be biological, it doesn't mean that a Turing machine can be conscious.
>>317392712
Woow you're so progressive. I bet you'd love some synth cock up your ass you fucking faggot. Fucking cancer maybe you should invite some suicide supermuties to your settlement you goddamn commie
We can simulate an insect and all its organs in a computer. It doesn't mean that the thing is alive if we put it in a insect body. Same thing with synths.
Played Wolfenstein the new order right before F4 launched. Picked the Fergus timeline and some bitch named Tekla is all about probablility and odds and math equations that can predict the future. Cool, whatever do your thing. Walk into the Railroad safehouse and guess who I see? Motherfucking PAM. Bravo Bethesda.
Can you be an edgy-guy who believes he has nothing to lose and lusts for revenge against his wife's murderers.
Please, this is important
>>317394878
Except a simulated cloud in the way you explain it is just a picture on a screen. The brain works in many ways like a computer. Unless you believe humans have consciousness just because.
>>317393204
and im doing the mother of all omlettes jack
>>317395373
>has armor upgrade in skyrim
>dont put it in fallout 4
BRAVO TODD
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>>317395079
The synth is too complicated, you can't compare that to the simulations your computer runs. The synth is very open ended in its thought processes compared to a computer we have now. I don't want to be the one to make such a massive choice like that when no one in the universe can get inside their head, for all we know they could be sentient, we don't know enough about them or the nature of consciencess and sentience to make that decision. I think it's immoral and wrong to just dispose of them all, besides there surely isn't enough left after destroying the institute to cause any real problems.
>>317395472
Not that anon but...
U mad bro?
>>317395483
Isn't it effectively the same thing?
It will live and die as an insect.
>not just replacing cancerous tissue and organs with synthetic replicas.
>>317395543
At times, yes.
>>317395585
You can upgrade and modify armor.
>>317395543
in some events.
most of the time in the main storyline you are a father finding his son.
Are rocket launchers affected by demolition man perk or heavy gunner perk?
I felt 0 guilt in wiping out the railroad and institute and leading the brotherhood to victory once again
Tell you what, though, I couldn't roll my eyes hard enough at instantly becoming ULTRA SERGEANT MOST IMPORTANT SHOOTER MAN CLASS 3 MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYONE HAS BEEN BEFORE in a few days in true Bethesda style.
>>317395348
>Being able to create radiation free produce literally from scratch
>Synthetic humans that can brave the surface while you stay in the safety of the underground
Their projects are aimed at vastly improving quality of life, and looking at the Institute, they've succeeded on that front.
They want(ed) to expand to the surface some day, but I'm not sure if that's out the window now that Shaun saw the surface. Though that shouldn't matter in any case since you'll be leading the Institute if you choose to join in with them.
>>317395308
Why? Why even make the synths so advanced and with the ability to think, have feelings, personalities etc.? Why not just send Gen 1s? Why have synths at all? What information?
I wasn't convinced with the institute and what they were doing. The ends don't justify the means when you're saying you want to save humanity and then make everyone live in constant fear from kidnappings and having their friends and neighbors replaced by fucking synths, not to mention torture and experimenting on those people. Fuck them.
>>317394660
No I want to cock Curie.
>>317395645
what if its brain cancer?
>>317395463
And you're making the obviously incorrect assumption that gen 3 synths are just overblown turing machines when they are demonstrably aware of their surroundings and make decisions in the same manner a realistic human would.
>>317395689
the full body ones, not vault suit and chestpieces.
>>317395645
Excising tumors only works if the cancer is cauight early enough. Also replacing body components is pretty tricky stuff, even if the pre-war society had autodocs those things are few and far between.
>>317395384
Like what? They never showed any other significant projects, we see the FEV shit and that certainly isn't good. The other was plants and fucking synthetic gorillas. Woah man. Such hope.
They were all deluded by living below so long. Everyone of them was brainwashed.
>>317395645
Metastasized cancer will eventually spread to every organ. You'd have to transfer your consciousness into a synth body to escape it.
>>317390852
House did literally nothing wrong though
>>317395840
You can upgrade your vault suit and chest pieces.
>>317395732
can you go on full-rampage, does the game let you be death-incarnate ?or is it full of essential-NPCs that can't be killed
>>317378203
Robotics and molecular biology are not the same subject, but I'm sure he had time to do both.
>>317395463
Just so, if a cybernetic brain can produce the same emergent property then it is conscious. But its not like we know enough when it comes to fallout. And science is already fucking weird enough in their world.
>>317395746
jesus christ you retard why is this even a question? rocket launchers make things explode right? demolition includes explosions right?
>>317387303
I tried to but they told me we need an army so I should build up an army of minute men then like 20 minutes later I'd finished the gameI'd done no quests whatsoever for the minutemen and we had like four settlements at that point
>>317395990
Pretty much everyone quest related is essential
>>317395990
every named character that isnt hostile at first sight cant or can only be killed in quests.
but you will have plenty of fucks to punish.
>>317395595
Yes. Faggots like him ruin the fucking commonwealth and the world.
>>317395173
That was the questions the doctors in the FEV lab were asking. They weren't finding anything conclusive and were forced to keep working on FEV experiments. It's a plot line that's never really resolved, even after you help Virgil out. We don't know why they were doing it, only that it wasn't going anywhere.
>>317395746
I have a similar question are minguns affected by heavy gunner, commando, or both
>>317395472
>Implying the Institute is pro-synth in any way other than using them as tools
If you want to talk about taking synth cock, go hang around your railroad buddies.
>>317396059
not him but RPGs often have exceptions to things that should cross over.
So is there actually anything to do once you've sunken the Institute, or is it just those goddamn Minutemen and "go on a recon patrol" missions?
>>317393204
It's more like they're trying to fry an egg by burning down the chicken farm
>>317396128
Well of course, after all the institute is the worst choice...
After brotherhood of course.
>>317395760
Expanding to the surface? Then why would you even need synths? Again gen 1 synths can be muscle if necessary, and if they're on the surface and can grow their own food it's not like you'll need to do much more than have defences, and turrets work fine for that.
I hardly think that their food justifies all that they do. Hell you can build water purification units out of scratch it's not like radiation free food is so far out of reach.
>>317396146
>We don't know why they were doing it, only that it wasn't going anywhere.
TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDI really wanted the institute to be redeemed, but now I'll have to kill them. That's way too irresponsibility retarded. Are they simply beaming squads of retarded mutants up? There HAS to be more.
>muh people of the commonwealth
A vast majority of the people on the surface are raiders or otherwise violent savages. There's no sense in trying to save the small patches of decent folks when you've got limited resources like the Institute does.
>>317394550
Im pretty sure that was the driving force for why the BoS is so freaked out by the Synth. A bunch of retarded scientists who dont know better make an AI with a core directive, which interprets it in a way none of them intended and then proceeds to murder the shit out of everyone to acheive it. The BoS would be A-OK with Synths if they were the ones who created them
>>317395840
>not
sorry, I missed that word. Uh, you can but not til later.
>>317396238
Yeah well creating them is the primary source of why they're ruining the commonwealth and why fucking hippies like railroad even exist.
>>317396314
Thank god for Brotherhood because at least there is someone to purge all shitty synth fags as well as fight against those instikeks
>>317396525
>There's no sense in trying to save the small patches of decent folks when you've got limited resources like the Institute does.
Maybe if they'd spend less time digging farther into the ground
>>317396320
If you have Gen1's and bored scientists with virtually no ethical oversight, it's not a question of why, but when with Gen 3's. Still, I wouldn't give them the capacity to feel they let them walk around if their only job would be to clean, jerk me off, and work.
>>317395984
but not dresses, normal suits, casual wear... after finishing a quest chains fairly late into the game and they are still nothing compared to armor parts,
>>317396525
>Save
Saving people and actively harming progress are on two other spectrums of the scale and thats not even counting how irrepsonsible and retarded the instute are.
They're like a cartoonishly evil and less useful version of Big MT.
>>317396525
>A vast majority of the people on the surface are raiders or otherwise violent savages.
Can we chalk this up to gameplay for this conversation, because if the world were the way it should be, we'd have more settled people compared to raiders.
>>317396750
But that's a sensible thing to do. There's less radiation underground, heating is easier, you can tap directly into the groundwater and you are safe from the horrors of the wasteland.
So what's better, guys? A white synth or a human nigger?
>>317396525
>limited resources
>a nigh infinite army of robot soldiers and elite assassins, with high tech weaponry and fucking teleportation
they're probably the best equipped faction
>>317397103
>human nigger
>human
>nigger
that's a contradiction right there
>>317396929
Taking into account human nature, the Commonwealth is actually pretty accurate in its distribution of raiders and common folk.
WHAT DID ROMEO SEE IN JULIET
>>317397103
A white nigger.
>>317396827
I'm just saying that I think it's fucking stupid to make all of the gen3s as advanced as they are with feelings and everything then enslave them and threaten wiping their memory if they do wrong. I don't think this is justifiable and further I don't think the institute or anyone else knows enough about the nature of sentience or consciousness to make those kind of decisions. Aside from the moral and ethical points there's obviously the safety ones to, not only if they're used in the institutes hands but if the institute made many more and they rebelled and fought against all humans or something similar that would be a big problem.
I don't think the game ever did a good job explaining why the institute did what they did in regards to synths or replacing and kidnapping people, anything like that, at any point throughout the game.
To me they were evil.
>>317397127
Limited resources as in they cannot accept that many more people into their underground utopia.
And they have trouble keeping it all powered up, anyway.
>>317396847
A fully upgraded dress + hat is 220 conventional and energy damage.
It matches up there + you can wear army fatigues + balistic weave + armor.
>>317397195
Do you actually believe that? I genuinely do not.
Besides with the Minutemen ending you can imagine way more cities like diamond city to spring up.
>>317397253
Gen 3's are so advanced because they are supposed to be the ultimate recon unit. No one will suspect a Gen 3 to be a synth without opening them up, which is exactly what the Institute wants as it keeps their involvement a secret.
>>317397204
SHE HAD A WELL DEVELOPEDPERSONALITY
>>317397195
>Taking into account human nature
During the archaic period before classical greece, there were most likely still more settled people than corpse fuckers.
>>317397204
HE'S HACKIN AND WHACKIN AND ONGO BONGO BONGO I DON'T WANNA LEAVE THE CONGO
>>317396107
>>317395990
This is true outside of the factions.
The Railroad/Institute and BoS can be massacred at any point.
>>317397253
I got the impression that the institute really were totally ignorant of how advanced synths really were. Seemed like the game touched up on it a bit, the scientists in the synth program and father really seemed to think they were just robots, and the early signs of a developing conscious were just defects. Even people in the institute made comments on how they thought synths had developed consciousness but none of those fucking labcoat types would have any of it
>Aliens are now literally canon forever
why couldnt they just make a vault around the world
>>317397103
>hey buddy go kill that person
>what? no fuck off
>hey synthbro go kill that guy, execute protocol 44DR-B
>What? no fuck--command accepted. executing
>>317397436
I don't think that that even remotely justifies creating something like that that for all they know is a sentient being that's enslaved.
The benefits of having the "ultimate recon unit" don't come close. Also the way they use the gen3s is pretty much objectively evil.
>>317397295
they don't have to let people in to help, they could start by tasking synths with destruction of raider/mutant strongholds instead of slowly replacing people with synths just for the sake of it and using the synth army to fight them when they go batshit about all of their loved ones being replaced for no discernible reason
>>317396514
Cut content DLC $59.99 the "Todd Special"
>>317397561
It sure would be great if we could bring one of many of the more personality developed synths down and have them debate consciousness.
>>317397561
I don't get that though if you listen to fathers holotape at the end it contradicts it all.
>>317397657
We'd be safe from aliens but stuck without sunlight. Almost worth it, but not quite.
>>317397674
>go kill that person
>no
>implying this is an accurate representation of a nigger
