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Is it time to revisit the second world war?
Pic related, my gunfu.
>>316843562
People still play the best WWII game, CODUO on PC, so there end of thread
I dunno about WW2 but we need more games with bolt action rifles (that aren't snipers)
Any Men of War players out there?
How come people don't talk about these games? They are amazing.
You will learn to love your Mosin-Nagant
>>316843797
Do they really? This makes me smile. I learned recently that people still play Wolfenstein Enemy Territory too. Warms my heart.
I play RO2 to scratch my WWII FPS itch. It's not great, but it can be fun when a server fills up with decent people.
If there was one game that could use an overhaul it would be Battlefield 1942. I would play that again in an instant if they essentially made Bad Company 2 in WWII.
>>316844174
kar-98 is ok too i guess.
>>316843562
>tfw the British only ever get portrayed as the SAS or SOE
>tfw no game will ever represent them like CoD 2
I just want to use a Lee Enfield and Bren
>>316844280
> It's not great
i will end youor you know respect your opinion since you're probably on the other side of the world
>>316843960
Check out Verdun if you like WWI.
>>316844289
I'd rather a commie rifle than a nazi rifle
>>316844396
Don't get me wrong, I fucking love the game. The bugs, vehicle maps, and shitty WiFi glitch can really get in the way of making the game great though.I live in Cali, so according to the hivemind I'm already in hell
>>316844702
The problem with vehicle maps is that they don't get played enough and so most people have no idea/training in driving a tank and don't actually know how to use them properly. That's what ruins vehicle maps.
No idea on what that "wifi glitch" is though.
>>316844702
WiFi glitch?
>>316844930
There's the known bug of bots spawning in vehicles only to be killed and replaced by players which absolutely destroys tickets on those maps.
I agree they don't get played much, but I think that's cuz of the bugs making the maps essentially one sided.
I dunno how many people experience the WiFi thing, but I had an issue that if I ran the game over my WiFi it always rubber banded and said "speed hack detected". This was only resolved by running a wired connection.
>>316845117
See my third paragraph
>>316845314
I never left
>>316846353
whoa cool, what game is this
>Not Mosin
>>316844174
>go to the only gun store in town
>see if they have a mosin
>they want $400 for it
i blame you neckbeards for driving up the price of that firearm
>>316843996
Too hard for casuals
>>316843996
Men of War is pretty radical m8.
>>316843562
Yes we should.
Pic related, my gunfu.
<3
>>316846493
Blitzkrieg.
Yeah, Muslims and Russians are boring. Chinese are just bootleg Russians.
Nazis are a fun villain. German sounds great being shouted over the explosions and gunfire, and soothing when in hushed, excited whispers as you crawl through a trench or through a treeline in preparation for an ambush. Tanks look good, weaponry is sexy. Plus they got the evil empire look down pat.
>Why don't game devs listen to us gaymers?
>We want WWII back, not future bullshit
>Game devs make a WWII game
>Nobody plays it
>>316847239
The reality of the matter is that the number of people that actually give enough of a shit to talk about what they want in games isn't really a big number to be viable at certain budget levels and the vast majority of people buying blockbuster titles will literally buy anything as long as it has enough advertising and Gamestops try to push it.
>>316847239
I played itits singly player is extremely mediocre and the multiplayer is ass
>>316847239
>>Game devs make a shit WWII game
Fixed it for you
>>316843562
>Springfield
Worst bolt action of the war. Arisaka 38 a best
It's raifu you pleb.
>>316847239
Holy shit nigger it was shit.
I used to force myself through even the worse WW2 games. not this one.
>>316847760
that's actually a 1917 Enfield, which was used by American troops in WW1 because we couldn't produce enough Springfields in time. And the Springfield is an amazing rifle because it's basically a licensed copy of the Mauser 98, the most influential bolt-action rifle in history you FAG. Either way, Garand reigns supreme.
>>316843562
People say that they want WW2 games, but in reality nobody would buy them. The guns aren't tacticool and there aren't enough fancy gadgets to make gameplay more interesting. The average gamer dooesn't have the patience to play something like Red Orchestra 2. I just want a return to modern combat instead of this future bullshit.
What are some WW2 games that don't fit the established genres of generic FPS, vehicle simulator or hex strategy?
WW2 games are so stale that even Unity of Command got praised for originality when all it did was streamline hex strategy enough to be fun for non autistic people.
>>316848568
>The average gamer doesn't have the patience to play something like Red Orchestra 2
More like average PC gamer has no patience. Steamfucks are too busy playing trash like Dota 2, TF2, and CSGO. Thanks, gabe.
>>316848779
Well, there's valkyria chronicles or whatever it's called. It's a sorta turn based strategy game in which animoo characters fight not-Nazis in not-WW2.
Also it's shit, unless that description sounded appealing. Then you'll love it
>>316848568
>>316848993
Which is funny considering RO2 isn't even that difficult of a game. It's semi-realistic or arcade-realistic.
People get pissed at RO2 probably cuz there's no kill cam so they can't immediately go after who killed them and it requires a basic level of awareness since one shot you're dead.
I think the best thing that could happen for WWII shooters would be destructible environments. Imagine hiding in craters after a mortar attack, or blowing up a bunker so it can be used, or trenches collapsing. If we got that and better in-game voice commands that ping on the mini map for quick and easy coordination the genre could do something again.
>>316843562
ww2 saturation almost killed the fps genera kiddo
no one wants them back
now everyone is moving to sci fi because modern war and terrorism is not cool anymore.
There needs to be more tank games.
>>316846964
Once I started to learn more about the german side of world war 2, I got kinda annoyed at how games portray the entire wehrmacht as blood thirsty nazis, it honestly makes fighting germans a tad boring unless its MP
>>316849751
>ww2 saturation almost killed the fps genera kiddo
no one wants them back
>said no one ever
There was like a 2-3 year period where it was really popular, but then everyone got tired of storming Normandy/killing Tigers at Kursk. The publishers were afraid that nobody would buy a game that wasn't in the middle of those famous set piece battles, so they gave up and moved on.
>>316849995
We did get some (but never enough) games set in the Pacific as well.
We need more ship combat simulator games.
>>316848779
Silent Storm. It's a turn based tactics alternate history WWII game with destructible environment. Highly recommend it and its sequel.
Anyone remember Commandos Strike force?
God that game was fucking FUN.
>>316849995
It's pretty much going full circle right now. We started with future scifi shit, went to world war 2, then to modern times, now we're back to future shit. WW2 will come back soon
>>316849794
My family is German and I agree 100%
My great grandfather was drafted into the Wehrmacht after being in a concentration camp for a year cuz he refused to join the Nazis. He had a family so he joined so he could feed them. About a year into it he and some buddies said fuck the war, stole a kubelwagen, and tried making it back home. They ran right into a Russian patrol and got captured. He somehow survived their prison camps.
Would be interesting to have games or stories with average German soldier stories, but Americans can't make those games cuz they would be accused of being Nazi sympathizers or apologists or some shit.
WWII was filled with countless stories that could make games. Companies just focused on the big USA led shit cuz 'Murica single handedly won WWII and brought democracy and freedom to the world.
You can't make games about shooting Nazis anymore because people will complain about it pandering to SJWs or something.
>>316850662
Its hard for Americans to do Germany, because America isn't Germany.
And the Germans sure as hell won't do it, so it looks like you're shit outta luck. Best you're get is strategy games and multiplayer.
RO2 scratches the itch every now and then.
Had 5 people make it around a T-34 with no AT grenades, and we all tried to melee the thing to death for 5 minutes. I almost laughed myself to death.
>>316850965
Oh I don't give a shit. I know people are too fucked in the head with political correctness shit for anything like it to ever happen.
Why does no one ever talk about the Springfield? It's all M1 and Tommy circlejerking
>>316851584
People circle-jerk the M1 because its a straight upgrade over the M1903, and was actually available in enough numbers that every infantryman could have one, unlike the Slavs, Bongs, Nips and Krauts who were all forced to use 30 year old bolt action rifles for the duration of the war.
>>316848568
I would buy them. I'm not 8 anymore. I can pay for them now.
>>316843996
Have you tried Call to Arms?
>>316850662
I 100% agree with the last two sentences, and it's fucking bullshit that it has to be that way. So much rich history. Imagine a fucking game where you play as a proud, everyday German soldier conquering France with his buddies, and getting transferred to different fronts as the war progresses, maybe even going on short leaves home and seeing more and more shit (Gestapo raids, concentration camps etc) until he's completely disillusioned with Hitler and what he's done to Germany, fighting desperately to stop what's left of his country getting absolutely ruined. There is so much potential for stories and settings that could be so much more poignant and impressing than "boo-hoo, mah sarge died coz of the evil baddies". It's such one-dimensional tripe that it gets old after one fucking time.
Good stuff.
>>316851275
>gotta go to Argentina now
my sides
Does anyone remember all those iraqu
I war games that used to come out.
I remeber playing every desert storm on my gamecube
>>316852087
Maybe if countries other than the US would actually try to make a AAA world war 2 game, we would have more diversity.
But nobody fucking ever does. And then they complain when US developers make games that focus on what the US did in the war.
Fucking Christ it gets annoying. The only one that does is Russia, and its even more nationalistic bullshit than the US games.
>>316850662
Have you seen the documentary The World At War? I think you would love the first episode at the very least. I recommend watching it at least the first ep
Only if I can be a Nazi officer in a building sims game managing a Jew concentration camp
>>316843562
Well, there's traction wars, a completely free game that's been in development by a bunch of guys for fucking ever.
Still, they tend to update somewhat regularly, so I still hope it won't become vaporware and actually get released.
>>316851824
Reminder that in 1939 the US Army was smaller than the Belgian Army. That's literally the only reason it could afford to adopt a semi auto rifle as standard issue.
Meanwhile the Slavs, Bongs, Nips and Krauts had to maintain huge armies and couldn't afford to waste their money on semi auto rifles when there was more important things to buy like tanks, artillery and aircraft.
Speaking of WWII, who here has seen BEST WWII movie?Das Boot
>>316852427
One day a dev will stand up and do it. I think if a big dev/ publisher marketed it correctly the 'controversial' aspects of it could be used to sell it. 'Fight from the never-before seen perspective of a German Infantryman...' blah blah blah. It'll happen eventually, or so I hope.
>>316852087
The way you described the German soldier going on leave and slowly becoming disillusioned reminded me of MoH: Airborne and the way the American paratroopers had a change in mood as the war went on that was visible in the plane at the start of each mission.
Like, it went from skeptical to assured to cocky to worrisome to absolutely downcast
>tfw the absolute silence in the plane at the start of Der Flaktürm
>>316852952
That's notKelly's Heroes
>>316852952
>mfw I watched Spike Lee's "Red Tails"
>>316852789
>Reminder that in 1939 the US Army was smaller than the Belgian Army. That's literally the only reason it could afford to adopt a semi auto rifle as standard issue.
And it was a multi-million man army by 1942, each rifleman armed with a Garand. (except for the Marines, who got them in late 42')
>Meanwhile the Slavs, Bongs, Nips and Krauts had to maintain huge armies and couldn't afford to waste their money on semi auto rifles when there was more important things to buy like tanks, artillery and aircraft.
Wow, and they still fucked those up, even with a huge head start of the US.
Day of Defeat was the best WW2 game made.
Fight me
Its weird and shit trying to play World at War's campaign after Metal Gear Solid V. I am not used to hearing Kiefer Sutherland actually say things in a video game.
>>316853086
I actually really loved that game, even if it was really short. The way the plane rips apart and shit gets real in that same scene hit me hard. That's the kind of stuff that makes WW2 videogames for me, not macho operator bullshit.
>>316853362
That's not Men of War: Assault Squad 2
>>316853305
>Spook Lee's anything
That's not a very funny joke, anon. I think you should get your coat.
>>316853584
The whole movie was fucking garbage. I still look back and cringe/laugh about how shit it was. The only good thing it did for me was introduce me to Porter Robinson's music because that shit was in the trailer for a goddamn WWII movie for some reason.
>>316853558
They really nailed the mood in every mission
>tfw watching your buddy get run over by a Panzer
>>316852952
>implying
>>316852952
>Nazi elite units were not Nazis at all: The Movie
>Not The Dirty Dozen
>>316853784
>>316852952
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE-39Mguh1k
>>316853779
Man that was unexpectedly gnarly. That level was probably my favorite too, lots of veritcality and a mix of small and open spaces.
>>316853909
Where the fuck do those belorussian jews get their fucking money from to fund shit like that? I was always under the impression WT was tanking hard with and haad a declining playerbase.
>>316854324
>tfw hocking Gammon grenades into Kraut nests
Mmmf high explosives are hometown
>>316853271
>>316853858
Best answers familia
>>316853305
>>316853584
It's like he goes out of his way to write in that his Mary Sue hooks up with a white woman every time. Guaranteed.
WAY TO STICK IT TO THE MAN, SPIKE
>tfw never enough PaK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVvoo1qFPDo
>>316853354
>Clapistan history
The US couldn't even give every soldier a Garand in 1942 when it had only had a few thousand troops on the front lines in the Pacific and North Africa. It took until 1944 before more than a million US troops had actually seen combat.
>>316854381
Stay mad wehraboo.
Based Red guards gonna get that movie soon.
>>316852952
I have
>>316855053
There's nothing based about the red "army".
>>316854381
WT's doing fine.
How WoT manages to not shrivel up and die is beyond me though.
>>316854381
Putin government is actively sponsoring games that make the soviet era military look good.
They will never fix Warthunder because they get paid to make it unbalanced.
>>316855719
>unbalanced
Is historical balance tovarish))))))
>>316855527
Nigga, the Red army is made of badass.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8th_Guards_Motor_Rifle_Division
>>316855719
It's historically accurate, T34 was the most effective tank during the WW2, alright kek?
>>316843562
Yes as long as it's a unique location (i.e not Normandy, Stalingrad or the Pacific Theater). Otherwise there's no point in making a new WWII game, especially if it's going to be an fps.
>>316855675
I heard a lot of people from WoT are migrating to Armored Warfare
>>316855026
>The US couldn't even give every soldier a Garand in 1942 when it had only had a few thousand troops on the front lines in the Pacific and North Africa.
The US ARMY went to war with the Garand, the Marines got them a bit later because that just how it works in the Marines.
> It took until 1944 before more than a million US troops had actually seen combat.
>1.4 million in the army as of 1941
>3 million in the army as of 1942
>7 million by 1943
>8 million by 1944
>8.2 million in 1945
And that's just the Army
Throw in the Navy and the Marines and its
>1.8 million in 1942
>3.9 million in 1943
>9.1 million in 1944
>12.2 million in 1945
We didn't have a million combat veterans before 1944 because we didn't face anyone who could actually field even a quarter that many troops at any one time until 1944.
>>316856119
You mean the T-34?
>>316856861
Gosh anon, you're a smartass.
Yes the T-34/85mm
All of you keks need to understand that WT is not unbalanced US tanks suck ass and that's historically accurate too.
>>316846580
>$400
jesus, are they huffing paint?
>>316856969
>US tanks suck ass and that's historically accurate too
so did german tanks. t bh russian tanks sucked the least
Ping > Mad Minute > Karabiner = Yank Karabiner > Moist Nugget > Jap pot metal
>>316855996
>1941+74
>Believing Soviet wartime propaganda
>>316856563
>Being in the army is the same as seeing combat
Reminder that US soldiers did not put feet onto European mainland until September 1943.
The Pacific and African campaigns were fought by armies of thousands, not millions.
>>316857395
The only Russian tank that didn't suck ass was the IS-2.
Even the Russians preferred Sherman's to T-34's.
>Want WW1 games
>Only way they would sell is as flashback missions or a dad detailing to his kids how, why and what. Pretty much interspaced in between WW2 missions
>>316843996
>remove_parasite.jpg
>>316857628
>Trench Sit Simulator 2016
Pass.
>Mustard Gas Simulator 2016
You may be able to convince me.
>>316857585
Name a german tank that didn't suck
>>316857547
>Jap pot metal
Pre-war Type 38s and 99s were actually pretty great rifles, well manufactured and the 6.5x50mm cartridge of the Type 38 has some pretty good ballistic performance compared to its contemporaries.
The ones manufactured out of desperation were absolute garbage of course.
Has anyone here managed to get Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII working on Windows 7?
>>316857582
>Reminder that US soldiers did not put feet onto European mainland until September 1943.
The British did it earlier than that, and got kicked right the fuck back off. The earliest anybody could have landed in Europe was '43, and that's ONLY because the Americans were there to support it.
>The Pacific and African campaigns were fought by armies of thousands, not millions.
What part of "We didn't have a million combat veterans before 1944 because we didn't face anyone who could actually field even a quarter that many troops at any one time until 1944." did you not get.
It's hard to have a million combat veterans when its the same 50,000 marines storming an island over and over again, or a few divisions fighting starving Germans and Italians in Africa.
The British, Canadians and French didn't exactly have a million combat tested troops until '44 either. Only the Germans and Russians did, and that was mostly because neither of them understood the concept of "fight smarter, not harder" and just threw men into the meat grinder.
>>316857585
IS2 was barely used you dumbledore, it came out way later during the war.
You realize the T-34 is the only reason they won the war ?
Both numerous offensive and defensive battles were won thanks to the tactical genius and usage of their 76mm formations and massive 34/85mm production.
If Ostheers had spent more money mass producing Panthers instead of trusting the joke that was the Elephant, they might have stood a chance.
Shermans?
I hope you're joking.
>>316857854
But anon, I agree with you that almost every German tank sucked.
At least the StuG was a good design for an assault gun/tank destroyer, but that's about it.
>WWII games were all the rage in the 90s up to the mid 2000s
>CoD4 came along and became a huge success
>suddenly everyone jumped to modern, vague middle-eastern setting
>within years, the brown and bloom shooter was so overused to the point of becoming a self-caricature
>futuristic is the way to go now
That's great and all, but where do we go from here?
I'd actually appreciate revisiting WWII as a setting if done correctly. After all, I still play Red Orchestra 2 to this very day.
>>316843562
What fucking game has that? I just want a Johnson rifle or lmg in a ww2 game
>>316858250
You really have no idea what you're talking about when you're implying that a single piece of hardware was the only reason Russia ended up on the winning side of the war.
>>316858282
is RO2 still decently popular? i've never played but i'm looking for some sweet bolt action gameplay
>>316850496
>Not Commandos 2
>>316858552
It is. During peak hours, you get 1,400 to 1,800 players - certainly not CoD numbers, but you won't have trouble finding a populated game.
>>316858518
A single piece of hardware? Do you know what's a blitzkrieg?
The T-34 tank is the whole reason they won idiot.
Look it up before talking high.
Someone claiming the IS2 was of any use during the war.
They didn't produce 30000 of them for no reason.
Read about Rzhev and Bagration.
>>316858250
>Panther
>Good
That piece of shit needs two drivetrain overhauls before it even gets to the front. Also by the time it went into production it was already too late.
The reason the T-34 is praised is because it was a prewar design that stayed competitive for the entire duration of the war.
>>316858250
>IS2 was barely used you dumbledore, it came out way later during the war.
And what the fuck does that have to do with it being the best heavy tank produced during the war?
>You realize the T-34 is the only reason they won the war ?
Both numerous offensive and defensive battles were won thanks to the tactical genius and usage of their 76mm formations and massive 34/85mm production.
What the fuck are you even on about, are you saying they won because they knew how to fight a war better than the Germans? besides the point, the only reason they could even feed their armies was because of the support being given them by the US. By late 1942, the average Russian civilian was on a fast track to starving to death, they were getting less calories a day than inmates at Auschwitz. The US supplied literally millions of tons of food, not to mention thousands of tanks, airplanes, and most importantly, tens of thousands of trucks and locomotives to carry entire armies to the front line.
>If Ostheers had spent more money mass producing Panthers instead of trusting the joke that was the Elephant, they might have stood a chance.
The Panther was as big a fucking failure as the Elefant, worse even. It actually managed to make it into mass production.
>Shermans?
>I hope you're joking.
I sincerely hope you are.
>>316858991
It was the only decent tank they had to fight against T-34 spam.
>>316859192
Even Panzer IV's and StuG's had a better combat record than the Panther.
>>316844289
Kar-98 is my gunfu nigga. German firearms have a penchant for being pretty well made. Especially the MG42
>>316843562
I recently got Hearts of Iron 3. Shit is fucking hard.
>>316859414
Funny thing being that the MG-42 was cheap as fuck to produce, what with the whole thing being made of stamped metal sheets.
Not a bad thing, its just funny that the Germans never applied that concept to anything else.
>>316846964
Germans were the good guys
>>316859637
> the Germans never applied that concept to anything else.
>what is MP-40
>what is Stg-44
>what is Kubelwagen
>>316859156
Not only they were smarter, but without the T-34 they could've never have put up against the panzer armies bullshit.
The sherman was the worst tank.
Maybe the firefly was somewhat decent, but even this was quickly outdated.
>>316859334
Only in the earliest, of course they will be more effective when the east armies were balling them.
But they were mostly weaker than the T-34.
>>316843562
>garandbabby
k98 if you want to be skilled
>>316856119
>most effective
Being effective doesn't make something actually good. The T-34s were good because they were simple and cheap to produce, the actual systems of a T-34 were crap.
>>316859889
They had to go through two mass produced revisions before the MP-40 came around (MP-36 and MP-38) and simplified the design.
Same with the STG, and it was still too expensive for them to produce enough.
I don't know why, but I really like this gun. I've been looking to buy one, shame the ammo is expensive
Type 99 is pretty cool too, but the 38 gets my dick hard
>>316858282
>That's great and all, but where do we go from here?
Vietnam. Really stoked for RS2, haven't had a good Vietnam fix since BFBC2V. Gonna love running around the jungle planting grenade traps and punji sticks everywhere.
Although Korea might be cool too.
I'd also really like to see something like the Angolan war, too.
>>316860157
>The sherman was the worst tank.
>Maybe the firefly was somewhat decent, but even this was quickly outdated.
Everything you're saying reeks of someone who just read "Death Traps" for the first time, and then went on Achtung Panzer.
Jesus fuck, do some actual research instead of parroting the same tired old debunked shit.
Anyone remember that WW2 game that was in development for the longest time... one guy making it, claimed he would include every person that fought in Normandy? Started off as a mod, I think. Was clearly complete bullshit but so many people thought it was gonna come out.
>>316860184
They were better built and allowed for better defensive tactics.
You couldn't use german tanks in digged positions and could only deal damage at close range, whilst T-34 could perform both task,
And what you describe applies more to the 76mm version, the 85 is the superior tank and was literally only flawed by its exterior fuel.
>>316860498
I know this subject more than you, trust me.
Sherman is shit.
The only way they would win against panzer armies was when they landed Pershings.
>>316860931
You're right. The Sherman was pure infantry support. But the T-34 was the true king of the battlefield
At the time Hitler invaded the Soviet Union, he had nothing that could even compare to the t-34 until the production of the panther and the tiger
>>316860931
>I know this subject more than you, trust me.
You should stop posting.
>>316852952
I have two contenders
Frankenstein's Army and some other movie about some obese vampire who thinks she's hotshit busting up some Nazi fuckery
>>316861139
>t-34 until the production of the panther and the tiger
That's the truth though.
Believe what you want.
When they invaded Ukraine they were only fighting a bunch of T-50 and T-28.
The panzer divisions were shocked the first time they saw the T-34.
>>316860931
>I know this subject more than you, trust me.
>Sherman is shit.
Clearly not.
>The only way they would win against panzer armies was when they landed Pershings.
Which is why the Germans got blown the fuck out in nearly every armor engagement in Western Europe, months before any Pershings arrived?
You do know that Shermans managed a 1.5:1 victory ratio against ALL German tanks in France, Belgium and Germany, right? That includes the Panthers and all THREE (count it, 3) times that the Americans ran into Tiger tanks in France. Surely you know that as well, right?
>And what you describe applies more to the 76mm version, the 85 is the superior tank and was literally only flawed by its exterior fuel.
You know that those aren't attached in any way to the inside of the tank itself right?
The Crew takes fuel from those and fills the internal tanks during road marches, they were almost always empty long before going into combat.
>>316860931
>allowed for better defensive tactics.
I don't see how you came to this conclusion. The sloped armour helped to protect the tank but it was quickly overclassed by more advanced German guns in late 1942.
>You couldn't use german tanks in digged positions
But you could.
>and could only deal damage at close range
What?
>And what you describe applies more to the 76mm version, the 85 is the superior tank and was literally only flawed by its exterior fuel.
While the T-34/85 did solve some of the problems with the T-34 it only came about in 1944, you know. When the Germans were fucked anyway.
>Sherman is shit.
The Sherman is objectively the best WWII tank. Rugid, simple and well protected. If you wanted to survive in the European theatre as a tanker you wanted to be in a Sherman.
This is documented fact.
>The Sherman was pure infantry support.
No it wasn't. The 75mm was alright for most of WWII and the 76mm upgrade did what was needed.
>>316861583
>Which is why the Germans got blown the fuck out in nearly every armor engagement in Western Europe, months before any Pershings arrived?
M10 all along.
>You know that those aren't attached in any way to the inside of the tank itself right?
It was still a flaw.
The tank was perfect at that time.
>>316861797
>I don't see how you came to this conclusion.
I told you earlier.
read about Bagration.
>The Sherman is objectively the best WWII tank
Hahahahaha.
That'll be my last post, thanks for the laugh anon.
>>316858282
>suddenly everyone jumped to modern, vague middle-eastern setting
This gets thrown around a lot, but there aren't a lot of games that did this after MW1. There was shit like the Full Spectrum Warrior series and Battlefield 2 with the Middle Eastern Coalition, but these games came out years before MW1. Also, brown and bloom wasn't a result of this.
>>316862010
>read about Bagration.
Bagration was a Soviet offensive, why would they be in defensive positions?
>Hahahahaha.
If you're not going to refute my post then you're admitting you're wrong.
>>316862010
This is some Grade A denial going on right here.
Jesus fucking Christ how disgusting.
>>316862234
You know anon, its at times like this that I worry that pretending to be retarded has become actual retardation.
>>316862210
>why would they be in defensive positions?
For many reason.
Just read.
Not all armies are on the offensive, you clearly don't know how soviet tactic worked at that time.
>If you're not going to refute my post then you're admitting you're wrong.
Are you for real? you think the Sherman was the best tank during the WW2?
A lot of people would laugh at you for thinking so, it's not only me.
>>316848779
The Saboteur
No.
I'm sick of WW2 games, sick of WW2 in movies, sick of it on tv and I'm sick of faggots spamming a backwards swastika and some old white fruit with a stupid stache on 4chan EVERY FUCKING DAY.
>>316858282
>where do we go from here?
Zulu wars. You know it to be true.
>>316862462
>A lot of wehraboos would laugh at you for thinking so
fixed
>>316862727
I'm a russaboo.
>>316858113
I want to know this because that game was so much fun
>>316862814
Real Russaboos love the Sherman though.
>>316862462
>you think the Sherman was the best tank during the WW2?
I don't think, it is generally accepted that the Sherman was among if not the best tank of WWII. The only thing that held it back was the people using it, like not going into Normandy with their 76s.
A Sherman's effective armour is on par with the Tiger's armour, it's gun worked well for what it faced for most of the war, it was very reliable, it was easy to mass produce, it was cheap.
>>316862872
I don't hate the Sherman.
I just think it's shit.
>>316846580
Wow that's a rip off. I got a Soviet stamped M44 of the same year for less than $100
>>316863054
>I just think it's shit.
Okay, why?
>>316863054
>posts a picture of one of the least effective heavy tanks of the war
the KV-85 was a fucking failure even by Russian standards man
>>316863236
I base my statement only on historical evidence.
The sherman was nowhere near effective against German tanks.
You could talk about technical evidence, I don't know anything about it, all I can assert is that US army was saved by Pershing and M10 to M36.
>>316863382
It's just a picture anon.
Of course it's a failure, it's named after Voroshilov for a reson.
>>316863603
>>316863382
Look how big it is though. Could carry some infantry on its back and everything. kawaii as fuck
>>316860931
>The only way they would win against panzer armies was when they landed Pershings.
Remind me how many pershing actually saw combat in europe
>>316863853
Well thank god Soviets did all the work then ;^)
>>316863959
If it weren't for D-Day, Hitler would have been in Siberia by 1947
>>316863603
>The sherman was nowhere near effective against German tanks.
But it was, the 75mm M3 was good enough to combat Panzers IIIs and IVs, it only had problems when it went into Normandy. Even then Shermans rarely went up against heavy tanks.
>saved by Pershing
The Pershing came in so late the war was won by the time it got there.
>M10 to M36
Tank destroyers being good at destroying tanks, whodathunkit?
>>316863603
>I base my statement only on historical evidence.
>The sherman was nowhere near effective against German tanks.
What fucking historical evidence. All the evidence accepted as fact by real historians, backed up by actual data is that the Sherman kicked Panzer ass every time they met in battle.
>You could talk about technical evidence, I don't know anything about it, all I can assert is that US army was saved by Pershing and M10 to M36.
>saved by an unreliable, overweight nightmare that fought a grand total of 3 enemy tanks.
>saved by a Sherman chassis with less armor and a gun that was outdated by a more powerful one put on the Sherman itself
>saved by another Sherman chassis that only arrived after the largest tank battles in Europe had happened
What the fuck am I reading.
>>316852087
>last mission would be the battle for Castle Itter
fund it fund it fund it
>>316864047
If it weren't for the russians, japan would have won the war
>>316864075
>>316864154
But nobody cares about Panzer tanks.
>>316864047
Really now that's just speculation, we'll never know for sure.
But I don't recall US forces fighting waves of tigers.
So yea, thanks to the red army, most panzer armies lost somewhere in the east.
dank ptrs-41
>>316864607
>But nobody cares about Panzer tanks.
Every German tank is a Panzer
Panzer just means Armor/Tank in German.
The Tiger is a Panzer VI
The Panther is a Panzer V
The Panzer IV is a Panzer IV.
Panzer Panzer motherfucker.
>>316864823
You know very well what I meant.
>>316864607
>But nobody cares about Panzer tanks.
Firstly, Panzer tanks is incorrect because that translates to tank tanks. Secondly, people do care about the Panzer IIIs and IVs because they were the bread and butter of the
>>316864918
You've been flinging so much bullshit that I can't actually tell anymore.
>>316864950
Of the nothing, they had to resort to cheap ass shielding in order to make PIV decent once they were done eating the few garbage T-28.
It could never compete against 76mm guns.
favorite gun is pic related.
I also like these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg1bQUHy8d8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7z6U-y_xVI
love both games and their soundtracks
>>316865095
Yep, you're just an idiot.
The 75mm L/28 wasn't comparable to the 76mm, true. However the 75mm L/43 was good and that came in 1942.
>I must remind them
PS3 ONLY. $0.99 at Gamestop.
>>316865654
This modern MoH actually isn't that bad.
>tfw gunning down waves of wehrshitters with only a nugget
God I love RO2
>>316864658
But do you have your ATs maxed out comrade?
How many tanks have you claimed?
>>316863603
>The sherman was nowhere near effective against German tanks.
You are half right
While you're right in that mainland Axis armor outclassed the common variant of the M4 in terms of fire power, mobility and armor, German tanks had a major war-losing trait. German tanks were more destructive, but were extremely expensive to make. The US and USSR could pump out a batch long obsolete M4s and T-34s and lose them all, yet it would not be a big loss compared to if the axis lost a battalion of panzers. Germany did extraoridnarily well in the position they were in, but efficiency in production outclassed quality in product.
