Would you prefer SD cards or something similar of the nature to be a new source of physical media in gaming? To clarify, I mean SD cards as opposed to using CDs.
>>316810667
Sure, at least they can't get smudged or scratched
Once their price falls to reasonable levels.
As long as I don't have to be forced to download my games into a hard drive.
>>316810874
A 32GB SD card sells for $15-20 retail. I'm sure they're a lot cheaper to manufacture and companies like SanDisk would sell them cheaper to OEMs.
With SD cards they can put in multiple slots and make consoles thinner.
>>316810667
What would wear out faster, an optical-disc drive or the contacts for a card reader?
at least 2 consoles had games on credit card sized cards, which would probably make for a convenient size for consoles today.
but if you want a grand unified generic memory card, then good luck trying to convince the world to abandon sd for a bigger card for the purpose of comfy
>>316811913
The one with moving parts, genius.
Put a SATA dock on the front of everything.
Release games on tiny SSD's
Might not be feasible right now, but by the time mechanical drives are kill, who knows.
>>316810667
If that SD card exists, it's going to make pirating on the Wii U that much easier.
>>316812048
Credit card sized memory cards seem a lot better than tiny SD cards. I'd imagine they'd be cheaper too.
>>316811349
>multiple slots
I dream of these days. When I can still buy physical media and not have to get up and change discs.
Physical media is dead.
>>316813034
>PCfaggot believes this
>>316813034
The SD card slot is only there for Wii backwards compatibility.
>>316811084
You have to take read/write speed into account, in my opinion that's more important than overall storage size.
>>316813034
Wii U doesn't support SDXC.
>>316813034
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=512gb+SD+card
>>316811084
>A 32GB SD card sells for $15-20 retail. I'm sure they're a lot cheaper to manufacture and companies like SanDisk would sell them cheaper to OEMs.
And a blu-ray disk costs like $2.
>>316813232
lolwut
My Smash bros pics get saved to my SD card constantly.
Current hacks load games from the SD card.
You fags should educate yourselves.
>>316813483
>$600
Perfect. That's the exact price I was hoping for.
Shit for that amount of cash I could feed a hungry coder in Russia for a year and find a different way to hack it entirely.
I could imagine all the games I'd lose if they were on sd cards
>>316810667
Enjoy your eternal loading times senpai
>>316813490
But consider the following — SD cards, like all forms of storage, get cheaper with each passing day. By next generation, a 200GB SD card (which will likely be the modest size of an average game) would probably go for $10 or less.
>>316810667
I dont care about this anymore because Blurays are pretty durable these days and I generally dont scratch my discs.
These shits here are too expensive anyways.
Only systems that should use solid media are handhelds because having a spinny disc in one is stupid. PSP proved that.
>>316813698
And discs will get cheaper too.
Unless discs somehow start to stagnate it will all be the same.
>>316813698
You don't understand. Optical media costs next to nothing when bought in bulk. This is why discs are still used, there's no cheaper solution.
>>316813821
maybe, but with the increasing size of games, running from the disk will no longer be an option pretty soon. i mean compare the read speeds of bd drives (which is pretty much stagnated) with memory cards.
i remember playing sanic generations on a friend's ps3, took like 20 seconds to load a fucking stage.
also isnt bd capacity hitting a wall too? i heard the it hit 50gb a while ago and wont be going further anytime soon, and even if it goes, read speeds will still be the slame slow values
>>316814283
Current-gen consoles don't run games off the Blu Ray disc anymore. They're only used to install the game, and then required in order to authenticate it.
>>316810667
I would love to go back to the days of SNES and N64 cartridges. I loved that hard durable rugged feel. Like the game had an actual form. CD's are just so unsatisfying. They just have a logo on the front and you have to handle them like a full body fracture cancer ridden baby.
Would love a nice hard physical body to house my vidya.
>>316810667
Absolutely not. With the exception of handheld consoles, cartridges are completely obsolete. Ideally, people should install all necessary data from discs to their storage, which will provide faster speeds than any physical media. Right now, discs are being gradually phased out for selling games, and if discs are nearly obsolete, certainly are cartridges. Discs will be phased out before physical media will be be considered again for home consoles games.
Just put 99% of the game in-cloud. Physical storage is retarded
>>316814283
>but with the increasing size of games,
What a stupid nigger you are. There might be different rates of compression, installations of state on storage will become more standard, and if necessary, more discs will be included with games.
But this becomes even more meaningless as digital distribution becomes the standard.
>>316817406
You shortsighted faggots will ruin it for everybody.
>>316817964
Is that really what you think anon
>>316818118
Yes.
Some form of cartridge with a decent write speed would be great. I'd take a $5 price hike per game if it meant I didn't have to worry about storage. Pissing around with menus is the reason I've avoided a gaming PC and stuck to consoles, but now you have to micromanage the fucking hard drive space the difference is minuscule.
>>316813698
>a 200GB SD card (which will likely be the modest size of an average game)
>200GB
>modest
>average
nigga wat
>>316817964
>shortsighted
Discs are archaic. Expensive, proprietary-ware.
>>316813685
Right, just like how the N64 had worse loading times than the PS1, right?
>>316820206
>expensive
>proprietary
Come the fuck on.
Discs are great because they are much more future proof than your DRM fucked digital download games.
You already cant get games like Afterburner Climax on the PS3 because its digital only. Meanwhile I can buy any physical game used and it wont even cost much.
>>316820698
>discs are great because of what might happen in the future
None of the shit I downloaded from ninjabay has that shit you claim it will have in the future. You nigga ass fucked up I say
>>316820856
Thats very nice if you want to limit yourself to a small library.
But I want access to all of my old games, and all the new games in the future too.
If you are a PC only casual then your points dont matter.
>>316821090
the only thing limiting you are CDs. They're archaic and proprietary
>>316821182
They limit me in no way. They actually empower me because I am not at the mercy of some third party. Nobody can take them from me.
>>316821301
>They limit me in no way.
They're by design limited you shit. At least pretend to know what you're talking about. No one talking about you ass nigga remain objective bitch ass
>>316821301
Please understand that we're not defending shitty DRM digital only stuff, and are only trying to point out the objective, factual flaws that exist in optical technology
>>316821374
>They're by design limited you shit.
Nope. Digital games are.
I am as objective as possible.
>>316810667
Optical media is always better than magnetic media for anything that you want to keep. Just about the only advantage SD cards have is that they're physically smaller.
>>316821523
PLEASE UNDERSTAND >>316821501
JESUS CHRIST
NO ONE IS DEFENDING DRM DIGITAL
>>316821550
>magnetic media
nigga this ain't a tape drive
>>316821501
>Please understand that we're not defending shitty DRM digital only stuff
Too bad. You cant seperate it. Digital downloads enable DRM and they enable anti consumer shit.
At best you can only have some games that do have DRM and some that dont.
Meanwhile with my disc based games I can always use mine forever.
>>316821591
Stop being stupid.
>>316810667
cartridges have always been superior, but it actually costs money to manufacture them compared to CDs.
>>316821550
does this nigger think SD cards are miniature floppy discs or something
>>316821721
holy shit you really are fucking retarded aren't you
we're trying to point out that discs suffer from rot and are very easily scratchable and breakable, that's literally it
stop being fucking autistic
>>316821845
>disc rot
Sickest meme.
Enjoy your DRM garbage.
>>316821965
disc rot is real and you're being a retard and acting like everyone in here loves digital-only and the drm bullshit it brings
i'm done nigga, if you wanna keep screaming at an argument that no one here is making, that's fine by me
>>316821523
>but digital games
Man you gay ass downright retarded nigga. Figured since videogames are lowest common domino.
>>316817406
>da cloud
I can smell the IT hipster from here
>>316822132
Nice projection nigga.
>>316821550
SD cards use flash memory anon. It's more similar to RAM than a magnetic drive.
>>316822132
that's the smell of your dog's freshly-raped corpse
>>316822051
>>316822081
Stop samefagging you DRM loving mememaster before you tell me about terminal velocidensity.
>>316822257
>>316822312
Damn, I really struck a nerve.
>>316822385
>same minute
>samefagging
Nice rebuttal nigga
>>316822454
Keep the fallacies rolling you uneducated ignorant nigger shit
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>>316822385
you're still the only one even talking about digital releases
again, if you wanna keep screaming at an argument that no one here is making, that's fine by me
>>316822525
>>316822537
Stop samefagging.
And fuck off with your DRM garbage.
>>316822692
i'm reporting you for trolling outside of /b/
>>316822769
Thats against the rules.
Enjoy your ban.
Enjoy your DRM garbage.
>>316822851
>again, if you wanna keep screaming at an argument that no one here is making, that's fine by me
>>316822525
Do you really want to argue about cloud storage replacing physical media? How about you check out this site:
>http://onlive.com/
>>316810667
I've often wondered this too. Card has many advantages over disc based media
It's tougher, so it'll never scratch
It has a smaller form factor
Using Card based media would mean fewer moving parts, and thus longer lasting machines
I guess in the end the debate is moot. Physical media is dying anyway, on PC especially where it's essentially already dead.
>>316823064
That site doesn't prove what you think it does.
Pretty much every website you visit is cloud-storage. How you can argue against that is beyond me? Why not go to the library/store to buy those CDs containing 4chan comments before you come back here defending your physical media?
>>316823064
When did OnLive stop being a thing anyway
>>316813406
You can use a third party program to reformat a 64GB+ SD card to Fat32. Did it for my 3DS. Then the N3DS came out and only supports micro-SD, so I've got a 64 gig SD card lying around being useless.
>>316823218
>image boards are videogames
I cant stop laughing
SD cards maybe, but not sure for microSD.
I experienced running out of flash memory on my microSD within a year of usage in my phone. That card cost as much as a 32GB Vita card, at 64GB.
Basically it permanently locked up and made my phone slow because it was trying to access the card when it was dead and in permanent read-only mode.
This is probably why Vita cards are also read only. The Vita installs the data in the card into internal storage (proprietary memory card).
Conclusion: Its the same as how the PS4 does it. No game really streams from the disc this gen anymore. Last gen, yes. This means discs are still cheaper, BDs are resilient, and have sizable boxes for the onlooker.
>>316823361
It will come in handy sooner or later.
Its one of these things.
>>316823383
Why even reply? What do you gain from it? I truly pity you.
>>316823361
Fat32 isn't the issue, it's that the card reader is literally incapable of reading SDXC cards
>>316823218
>Internet goes down
>Can't play games
Cloud storage is dumb, and that is why OnLive never took off
It punishes you for not being online 24/7
>2015
>still using physical media for vidya
shiggyerudiggymoto
>>316823218
Read my fucking post again
>cloud storage replacing physical media
Webservers have always been a thing and that will not change and it's great because sites are accessible to everyone. Part of the reason why that works is because webpages are lightweight and don't require massive amounts of data to be exchanged constantly.
>>316823532
Not true. It worked fine on my 3DS, which is also incapable of reading SDXC. It's because the format is proprietary. Reformat it to Fat32 and you're golden.
>>316823509
>Why even reply?
Because you're a hilarious little faggot and I want to share my enjoyment.
>>316823383
Certainly not this board
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>>316823609
>internet goes down
Sorry can you come up with a realistic example to get me even remotely engaged in an attempt at debunking your strawman?
>>316823709
Your common knowledge recap is essentially just you talking to yourself. I can't really believe you actually think people are interested in the shit you force onto them.
>>316823509
>get told why you are wrong
>w-why even reply you faggot! stop refuting my point!
>>316823823
Good one.
Not really. I have a 3DS and a vita and I absolutely hate the vita boxes and cards. They are fucking tiny. Like the gamecase for a vita game is about half as big as a regular CD case.
>>316823869
>internet goes down
>not realistic
really
That cloud storage guy is one of those insane guys, isnt he?
>nip N3DS came with a 128GB microSD card inside
>printing is worn off
>write speed is abyssmal (still verifying through h2testw)
>only other cards on hand are 16GB and Xenoblade X won't fit on it
Might as well put clothes on and shell out $50 for a decent one
>>316823869
your post are basically this:
>your facts are wrong
>have a smug anime picture
>>316824121
There's a fine line between genius and insanity, anon. He has clearly crossed it.
>>316823869
No matter what ISP you have, internet connection is not infallible.
And then you have the issue of travel or what have you.
It's one of the reasons why consoles are still more popular than PC gaming. I could take a Wii U, PS4 or Xbone and play it anywhere at anytime without being worried about if there is or is not a connection
When they tried taking that away from Xbone, it did massive PR damage.
>>316824114
It's current year
>>316824225
>your facts are wrong
Again with the strawman shit, I'm not going to argue your strawman, fuck off.
>>316824274
LOL
>>316824121
Almost as insane as that guy claiming that pointing out flaws in optical technology means you MUST love getting bumfucked by shitty DRM practices
>>316824274
If you're a real hardpro you can even play it on the plane.
>>316824274
Except Steam works in offline mode, and most games on Steam don't even have Steamworks DRM so you can just run the .exe
>>316824351
Yes, and despite it being 2015, there are plenty of places in the world, including in North America, that don't have a reliable internet connection, or one at all
>>316823869
>it's not possible for the internet to go down
>the internet is fast enough, everywhere in the world to constantly exchange huge amounts of data back and forth within miliseconds.
>there's magical internet everywhere, constantly
>cloud storage is 100% consumer friendly, save and reliable
this is what you're implying
>>316824352
>still going on about it even though its true
>>316824351
Yes, and despite it being 2015, there are plenty of places in the world, including in North America, that don't have a reliable internet connection, or one at all
>>316824359
Holy fuck, I just realized that's entirely possible now
>>316824460
>still attacking an argument that no one has made yet
do you have schizophrenia or something
>>316824370
So what if I want to play some Diablo3 on my laptop on the train?
>>316824359
This is fucking great. You bet your ass I would do this.
>>316824460
>'discs are kind of easy to break'
>'WOW FAGGOT YOU MUST LOVE GETTING BUMFUCKED BY DRM PRACTICES HUH?'
>'what? no, i just wish discs weren't so delicate they're still the most cost-effective way of having physical media.'
>'YEAH WHATEVER FAGGOT ENJOY YOUR DRM'
>>316824351
I suggest you look up what strawman means.
Protip: it doesn't mean 'anything that doesn't fit in my point of view'.
>>316824447
>>316824536
That's not my fault. If you're poor maybe stop playing videogames.
>>316824458
>more strawman shit
Why not? Okay listen here...no seriously listen...IF you are so set on talking to yourself. STOP REPLYING TO ME.
See? It's not that fucking hard. It's an anonymous message board. JUST RESPOND TO YOUR OWN COMMENTS. Since you aren't capable of reading anything I actually say. You are literally talking to yourself.
>>316824370
>Except Steam works in offline mode
Yeah that's true. It's not the whole reason. The main reason is that casuals are scared of the whole building process, plus consoles are cheaper.
>most games on Steam don't even have Steamworks DRM so you can just run the .exe
A casual gamer probably wouldn't know that
>>316824551
in fairness if you have a dodgy connection, or travel a lot, you REALLY shouldn't buy a game that requires an internet connection.
That'd be like buying Killing Floor in the same circumstance
>>316824747
>common knowledge recap
Stop. talking. to. yourself.
>>316824693
Only that the original argument was about the cloud.
Which is DRM by design.
>>316824769
>>316824806
>>316824849
How does it feel to have autism?
>>316824769
no reliable internet in the area being offered =/= too poor to afford reliable internet
>>316824895
One person mentioned it half a thread ago and then you went full autismo against other people getting in on the conversation
>>316811084
Reasonable levels means completely different things from the point of view of a consumer and a billion dollar business investigating mass-production.
It's very difficult to beat optical media in cost-efficiency considering the cost/disc is measured in cents, or fractions of cents, while an SD card that is made up multiple parts is gonna be several orders of magnitude more expensive depending on the actual parts used. It's not viable. You can justify the costs from a consumer point of view since the contents can be overwritten, but people buying games expect to pay for the games, not the installation media.
Now having said that, the prices on flash is going down all the time and we already have games sold on flash since ages ago (from the old cartridge based games of yore to the modern 3ds carts), so who really knows? For some platforms it might just live on a little longer.
>>316825075
People shouldnt jump into conversations like retards then.
Even later some faggot was going on about downloaded games.
>>316825283
Maybe you should realize that on an imageboard, multiple people are going to jump into conversations and acting like you're talking to only one people is fucking stupid
>>316825398
If people dont make an effort to make themselves stand out as someone else then its their own fault for getting treated like that.
And honestly, if you are arguing in favor of flash media then you're pretty much on the level of the cloud guy.
>>316824769
Okay, dude, I'm bored as fuck right now anyway. Explain to me how you envison playing videogames from the cloud. Do you just mean like steam, or like 100% reliance on servers to store everything? No storage on a harddrive of your own or anything? Because if you mean the latter, thats just retarded.
Whats the best microSD card for its capacity/class?
>>316825546
Stop feeding the troll dude, seriously
Just block his posts out
>>316825537
I made an enormous effort to stand out and clarified my position of not defending DRM and only pointing out the inherent flaws in optical storage, but you kept screaming LOL DRM LOVER like some kind of autist
When flash media becomes cheaper, it'll be the better option. Until then, optical will remain king
>>316825546
Er, not that guy, but Nvidia gamestream and its servers work pretty well for their Shield devices. It's still pretty flawed but it's not as terrible as people make it out to be
>>316825773
>When flash media becomes cheaper
Never gonna happen.
As realistic as cloud gaming.
GUYS
LISTEN
WHAT
What if we brought back LASERDISC
Just for reference, posting the currently fastest SD card on the market. 300mb/s, Lexar are really killing it with the 2000x.
The fastest Micro Sd card is the Lexar 1000x, which is half the speed of this at 150mb/s, which is still fucking killing it for a micro sd.
>>316823869
>Sorry can you come up with a realistic example to get me even remotely engaged in an attempt at debunking your strawman?
>tfw I live in hurricane country
Fuck you buddy
I wonder how much cheaper than RW memory RO flash memory is.
>>316826387
Isn't rewritable inherently more expensive than read-only though?
>>316826484
That's what I'm talking about.
>>316826092
How much do these go for?
I think they must be those upper market products.
>>316826709
They're on Amazon, both the 2000x and 1000x. See the prices for yourself, they're not that bad. If you prioritize speed over capacity, they're worth it, or you can just break the bank and get one with high capacity.
>>316826704
Oh, i'm just retarded, nevermind. I misread your post. Sorry m8
>>316810667
it`s probably faster and cheaper to just download games, rather than use gas money to drive to the store and buy a digital disc with the data
