Each of them have their own perk:
>64 - most nostalgic
>Melee - best gameplay
>Brawl - most content
>Wii U/3DS - best roster
>>316662927
>Nostalgic
Heh.
>>316662927
>Can we agree that all the Smash games are great?
No. Brawl and Four as shit.
Melee is autistic garbage though.
>>316662927
I'd say Brawl's biggest strong point is the mods it has, and Wii U's is it's online
>>316662927
>best roster
You haven't heard, have you?
>>316663226
excellent argument great quality content m8
>>316662927
You really hit the nail on the head there. Damn.
>>316663308
Haven't heard what?
>>316663418
He's probably upset that Cloud is in Smash Brothers
Personally, I enjoy Sm4sh's gameplay the most, I think it suits my personal preferences, but Melee is certainly objectively most thrilling for spectators and most appealing gameplay-wise to a large number of people who like emphasis on speed and dextrous technicality.
I wouldn't say "most nostalgic" is a great descriptor for what's good about SSB. There's a lot of charm to it, and great stage design that's basically ensured that a number of its stages have endured through every iteration of the series.
Plus, I think it's always important to respect a game's historical significance. Its successors are better in pretty much every way, but being the foundation for such a series is totally worthy of praise.
If Snake is announced for 4 then I'll agree about best roster.
>>316663459
Why? I'm not even a Cloud fan or have played any of the FF games, but I'm still hyped for his inclusion?
>People still unironically prefer Melee
I was at a Melee tournament earlier today and the competitive matches were a complete snooze fest. It's the same Marth, Sheik, and Fox/Falco match ups.
There was a Yoshi, a DK, a Roy, a Kirby; those matches were fun because the matches were interesting and you really couldn't tell who was going to win. The entire group agreed the losers bracket was more entertaining than the winners bracket.
>>316662927
>Can we agree that all the Smash games are great?
No, unfortunately, but I will agree with you.
>>316662927
Good points, but: "Can we agree...?"
This is /v/, friend, it'll never happen.
>>316663961
>watching other people play video games
>>316663371
Amazing that you dont say this about >>316663114 faggot
>>316665339
Fuck off.
>>316665410
Refer to
>>316663371
>Wii U/3DS - best roster
best graphics, you mean. Brawl had the most characters that people actually want, and not literally whos that nobody wanted.
>>316662927
Nostalgia is not a merit to put down for a game. However Smash 64 has great atmosphere
>>316665628
I didn't realize we lost all of Brawl's characters
>>316665628
You realize the only characters missing from Brawl's roster on 4 are Wolf, Snake, and Ice Climbers
>>316665410
Kill yourself
>>316662927
Now if only there was a game that had all of that.
>>316665628
>implying Pokemon Trainer, Lucas, ROB, Wolf, and Pit aren't literally whos
>>316665952
>forgetting Squirtle and Ivysaur
>>316665962
I got you Anon.
>>316665628
>implying that the "literally who"s aren't good
Wii Fit Trainer is fucking based
>>316665883
>ice climbers gone
>Snake gone
>Wolf gone
>Ivysaur and Squirtle gone
>in their place we get shovelware reps and generic anime characters that nobody asked for
>>316666014
shit characters anyway.
>>316666013
>Pokémon Trainer
>literally who
Please don't tell me you're actually serious.
>>316665952
Ivysaur and Squirtle too, but nobody seems to care for them. I didn't see a huge outcry for them during the ballot like all the other Brawl characters.
>>316666068
Ivysaur is top tier in Project M.
>>316666047
>ice climbers gone
who cares
>Wolf gone
Was a shit character and a clone of a clone
>Ivysaure and Squirtle
Shit characters
>Snake
only one that matters.
>>316666068
Charizardfag detected.
>>316666092
I feel that I'm one of about three people in the entire world that want Squirtle back.
Feels bad.
>>316666036
Funny how this is the exact opposite.
>>316666112
>MUH PROJECT M
then go play Project M you faggot. No one here gives a shit.
>>316666089
Meant to say unwanted for that one.
I can't think of a single person that wanted to play as Ivysaur/Squirtle
>>316666135
>Wolf
>clone
There's that meme again.
>>316666208
It's not about Project M. I was saying how Ivysaur totally has potential as a great character, and with just a few tweaks from the original.
>>316666279
Fine, semi-clone, he's still not an original moveset and therefore trash.
>>316666047
>ice climbers
3ds limitations
>Snake
Konami's fault
>Wolf/Ivysaur/Squirtle
Nobody in the right mind wants these characters over Little Mac, Ryu, Megaman, Pac-Man, ect
>>316666334
Sorry kid, I play real games, not mods that faggots go autistic about.
>>316666413
Yes, I'm sure you get a lot of respect playing highly competitive "real games" like Super Smash Bros. Brawl.
>>316662927
Honestly, no. Brawl was horrible looking back on it.
>planking
>taunt parties
>cancerous community that makes /b/ goers look like upstanding citizens.
>no combos
>infinites everywhere OUT THE ASS
>tripping
>MOTHER...FUCKING...ICE CLIMBERS
>matches consist of constant camping and running away whether at high or low level because there IS no approach option
>SSE aside awesome cutscenes, blows ass and is a pain to go through just to unlock shit faster
The only plus this disaster has is modability, and even then...PM sucks. I don't care about the damn unlockables, the rest of the game is so bad it vastly overshadows it. Brawl is a stain on the series that is mostly forgotten even by its own players who either went to PM or Sm4sh, or back to Melee.
All of the 3 other games are vastly superior, Brawl is diarrhea.
>>316666583
I'm not autistic, I don't play competitively. If I wanted to waste my life on a computer I'd use it to find your mom and fuck her.
>>316666658
I think brawl's main issue is that it was rushed AND development was split between three companies. Couldn't have been easy to plan.
>>316666671
>I'll fuck your mom
>>316662927
no b8, I have never played a more fun casual game than the smash series.
As a party game, the smash series is easily on the highest tier.
As for competitive, you lot can argue that. I don't care.
>>316666889
desu senpai that's autistic
>>316666184
roster was meh and and content was lacking what else was wrong with it?
>>316666754
Yeah that didn't help, and honestly with a game like smash that has so much potential mechanical depth due to its more free style combat, outsourcing between companies was a HUGE mistake because so much gets lost in translation. This compounded by the fact that with brawl Nintendo had to cater to the new nongamer blue ocean audience they were bringing in, so the gameplay had to be dumbed down and oversimplified to encompass not only those people but the multiple input types (wiimote especially). Add to this Sakurai's newfound (at the time) dislike for competitive play and you got a disaster for all parties, whether it was casual play like us or competitive. Brawl is a disastrous trash heap.
>>316666658
>"SSE aside awesome cutscenes, blows ass"
This is crazy accurate. It was an amazing idea with less than amazing execution. I honestly have no idea how they could have improved it, but it just felt like a letdown from what I was hoping for.
>>316666964
To be fair competitive play is pretty awful.
>>316663002
Ninja'd Essentially. Thanks for posting for me, anon.
>>316666965
With SSE I can see what they were going for, which was encompassing lands from across the main series...but holy shit just walking through random big stone block hallways n shit and mazes was just the blandest design decision possible. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN areas directly from each games (Mario overworld, Zelda overworld or dungeons, Metroid in like brinstar or norfair) instead the areas were generic knockoffs with generic placeholder enemies and bosses with stupid movesets.
>>316662927
Well, I can agree with you.
>>316665628
Fuck off i always wanted mega man mario pac man and sonic in a game and holy shit it fucking happened
Even if melee is my main game. I know little me would be fucking loving it and that makes me play smash 4 more.
>>316667017
To each their own, I enjoy watching the depth of precision they have. I'm not at their level and probably never will be but the crazy combos and reads they get will never get old. So that said I can appreciate the way they play and hope they get their way in the future. We've had 2 games in a row dedicated to us, I hope the next one is balanced for everyone.
>>316667160
That actually sounds pretty solid.
Maybe Sakurai will change his mind and we'll see SSE2 in Smash 5. Probably not, but someone's gotta keep the dream alive.
What if
Smash game with 4 roster
Melee gameplay
and Brawl content?
>>316663308
>salty wolf main
>>316667383
I don't sakurai's doing another smash
This taunt from Brawl is still greatly missed.YOU'RE TOO SLOW
>>316667435
>>316667470
I'm so glad taunt parties are reportable now. Like yea its lame they fucked his taunt for babbys feelings but fuck taunt parties they ruined brawl's already bad online.
>>316667435
Replace Brawl's Target Smash with Melee's individualized ones and I'm so fucking game
4 is the best IMO but to call any of these games bad is just stupid.
As of the last update there is on average more shield stun than what was in melee. Add in the fact that characters are overall faster minus wave dash and really the only reason to play melee over 4 is because of the broken bs, annoying stupid chain grabs, bs shit like wobbling, and people being unable to move on.
Fuck recoveries are over blown as well 90% of the cast are fuck ed if you take away their 2nd jump in 4.
>>316667453
I'm honestly not sure how to feel about that. I mean, everyone criticizes him for one reason or another, but every game in the series has had its redeeming factors to an extent.
>>316667160
>>316667383
Game play should of revolved around switching characters to get past certain obstacles.
Maybe a canyon which only link and samus can use they whip/chain to get past.
Maybe a section for running fast so you need sonic or something. Things like that.
>>316667470
Christ, I miss Brawl's stage creator. What happened?
I feel like I can fit twice as much stuff in a custom Brawl stage as a WiiU stage, and the WiiU version doesn't have any moving parts but flat platforms.
>>316667756
I think you're onto something there, mite b cool.
>>316667435
Thats what people thought sm4sh was going to be.
>>316667787
Sm4sh still has better gameplay than Brawl and more content than Melee at least
>>316667596
And board the fucking platforms, WHY DID THAT EVER VANISH FUCK.
>>316667313
4 isn't really dedicated to casual players. The continuous hamhanded support of patches, hamhanded inclusion of omega mode and for glory, focus on multiplayer over single player content, etc shows that they were trying to appeal to competitive players because of how outspoken they were about Brawl and just the general growing awareness of competitive gaming.
But it didn't meet the melee players' needs regardless. Some of this is just because Nintendo doesn't really know what it's doing (their competitive friendly features don't really work out to be that great, whoever is in charge of balance patches is some kind of madman who seems to just like making arbitrary choices, the patches themselves lack official documentation), and some of this is just because of how picky diehard Melee players are. In all honesty, I don't think anything will satisfy them.
>>316667596
>I want to add to production times for shitty small things.
Angry birds is fucking boring but making 3 of those I know took less fucking time than 24 small stages in 64 and 25 small stages in melee.
That shit doesn't just come out of no where and there is a reason for it being cut down
>>316667756
This would be sweet but a nightmare after game if you can bring anyone with you like sse
>>316667837
Game play in all games is good man.
>>316667848
Because making one for every character would be a nightmare.
How many more characters could Smash support before there's too many? Doing All Star Mode with like 70 characters would be a tedious nightmare.
>>316668361
100 I guess?
>>316668283
Well same thing for BTT but we all want that dont we?
>>316667879
Competitive melee player for 10 years here ( only say that because its obviously relevant here)
I honestly feel like Sm4sh is a great middleground between the community. Yes it obviously lacks the single player modes that make the more casual fans happy, and it lacks the depth that makes Melee and 64 great. But for all that, the multiplayer is still relatively solid. Combos are easy and relateable to any skill level, characters feel relatively good, and despite mechanical limitations the overall gameplay feels pretty solid. I mean we all have our bias but I feel like sm4sh as a game has (moreso than brawl) managed to be a community bridge. When I was at TBH5 I actually got welcomed by Sm4sh players to mess around with their game a bit, I had fun so I'll eventually get it for my WiiU when the DLC is less microtransactiony.
>>316667879
Balance for a game with 50+ characters is pretty hard man and any future patches are hard to see what affect they will have.
I mean look at Mewtwo
>stronger projectile than Samus charge shot with mini ones having quicker fire
>command grab that works as a reflector
>a move that gives a free ko at 100% or so
>2 kill throws, a damage racking throw, a set up throw
>smash attacks have good range and kill, fair kills, has a good gimp game
>a dair spike with close to the same power as Ganondorf's dair
>long range pokes that add damage well
>3rd fastest air speed and overall above average ground speed
>crazy good recovery, 2 tools to assist him, very good 2nd jump, very safe teleport.
Someone like Mewtwo is kind of hard to balance when you think of it.
A. There are very good Mewtwo players out there including in japan, b, the meta game is young with the amount of patches put out and time it has been out.
>>316663483
It also had godlike sound design.
>>316668873
I like that you're bringing this up. Everyone puts Mewtwo near the bottom of most tier lists, but he has so many redeeming qualities.
>>316668873
I have touched the game in a bit, but I remember mewtwo being pretty underwhelming, was he buffed or did people simply find out how to use him?
>>316669241
Most of this is stuff he has had, granted he has had some buffs. But so has dk, luigi, charizard, ike, and so on. He'll more characters have had buffs than nerfs.
Wii fit trainer, shulk, robin, zelda, samus, ganon, link, zelda, ness, lucas, and really the list goes on.
>>316666671But you're posting here, anon.
>>316662927
>64:Polygons
>Melee: best for competitive gameplay
>Brawl: most content
>Wii U/3DS: best gameplay for that kind of friends who just want to chill and play a mindless button masher
>>316663961
This. I have a friend who always gets triggered whenever I tell him the meta is literally a triangle of Marth, Sheik and Fox/Falco. He'd also give me lectures on how Falco is not a Fox clone.
>>316666135
Not him, but I miss Ice Climbers. I understand why they aren't in, so I'll just wait until 5mash comes out.
>>316666964
>>316666658
I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees all the damage that Brawl did. And it still lingers.
>>316668873
>>316669197
I agree with both of these. I was a Mewtwo main in Melee so I played (and lost) a ton. I'm really happy that he is actually capable in this game. Only changes I'd make are:
>make him just a touch heavier
>allow Confusion to put enemies in a helpless state for a little longer: Almost any character can NAir and hit out of it.
>Make his DTilt sour spot behind him as his model would imply, or touch up a couple other move hitboxes to give him options for attacking behind him like allowing Shadow Ball to hit during charge up again.
Aside from that, Mewtwo is an excellent glass cannon. He's way more capable of great performance than he was in Melee.
64 has the best gameplay. Melee's camera is retarded and it's so fast you can't even tell what's happening. I don't want to have to perfect little microflicks based around an exploit to be good at a game. Brawl was really slow paced and boring, and Smash 4 is fun because it's like an unbalanced Smash 64 with a ton of characters.
>>316671987
What the fuck am I reading?
>>316671987
>64 has the best gameplay.
lol
the gameplay is fucking clunky trash
>>316672701
I think you meant to say this about Melee? Because that doesn't apply to 64 at all.
>>316671028
Yes how dare brawl try to do what the series attempted to be when it was 1st made and be a game where it was easy to pick up and play and high level play is more about pure out playing your foe like it should be. Which itself is a nice thing all fighting games have but you spend far too much bs time learning just how not to die just to get to that actual fun.
Oh god boo hoo to the fags that spend a 1000s of hours playing their party game only to have their oversights in a game engine removed from future games and be brought down to what original intent was.
It's still hard to believe Brawl came out almost 8 years ago.
I would agree that besides rosalina and lil Mac that all the new fire emblem and kid icarus characters were ridiculous. Good ideas to bring eastern characters to the west but unless you closesly follow eastern games and rpgs those characters are literally who for most normies. I think smash 4 tried to hard with adding too many new and relatively unknown characters.
