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Is this the best RPG of the past decade? Could it be improved(other than graphics)?

What would you add to make it better?
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>>316640559
easier way to collect sidequests, like a quest board that would teleport you to the npc when you selected their quest. Would make things a lot easier desu
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>>316640559

k e k and suffering the game.

Also vote for Xenoblade on www.gamefaqs.com, it's 100 votes behind and needs help to win!
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>>316640559
-Bionis's Left Shoulder
-More varied quests (less grinding/fetch quests) and a quest navigator
-Better level balancing (if you were over-leveled, boss battles become too easy)
-Better AI's (i'm looking at you Melia)
-More use for Sharla

These are just some things off the top of my head.
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An offline MMO? Most assuredly not.
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>>316640898

I thought finding the NPCs was fun to some extent, like in Majora's Mask. But it went to shit as soon as I got to Alcamoth and had to run around a huge open space looking for them.

Rather than a quest board I think it should simply be easier to spot named NPCs from a distance, like a huge icon over them that you can see from halfway across the city.
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>>316640559
Liked it. Very Genesis Phantasy Star.

Drew a lot of comparison to favorite characters from PhS4.
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>>316640957

Oh shit, there's only a couple hours left.

Can /v/ turn this around?

Direct link to voting:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/bge20_vote
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Quest NPCs more memorable, especially the Noppon. Fucking christ. I wish the Mechonis didn't lock out but I get why it sort of has to...
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>Shulk is no longer the primary blond anime kid with big sword in Smash

Xenokuuk keeps getting kuuked.
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It's the most overrated JRPG of the past decade, that's for sure.
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>>316640559
Xenoblade chronicles was the game that FFXIII expected to be.
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First playthrough now.
Games fun but the sidequests are fucking shite.
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>>316641332

>49.66%
>49.66%
>49.66%
>49.66%

I mean DKC2 is a great game but it's an injustice to have it win this.
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>>316640559
RPG? Fuck no.
JRPG? Fuck no as well.

It's a JRPG with a huge and beautiful world with nothing to do in it except for endless fetch quests. Shulk is a horrible whiny shounenshit protagonist and overall the story was nowhere as impressive as in previous Takahashi works. That's it. How it got its cult status i simply can't understand even though i've played it shortly after the western release. Music was good though.

Now, if entire game was about Dunban struggling to maintain control over Monado and overcoming obstacles on his power of will alone this could've been the raddest shit ever.
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>>316640957

oh shit this looks like a job for /v/
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>>316642031
/v/ loves DKC a hell of a lot more than this shit, and with good reason.
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>>316640957
>>316642031
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>>316640559
I would improve the inventory GUI to make it easier to see what you have. At the very least, show the names of items and make their icons different colors.
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i fucking love this game
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>>316640559
>Could it be improved
Yes.
Infinite inventory space, for one.
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>>316640559
>Is this the best RPG of the past decade?

No thread over
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>>316642124

Speak for yourself, I voted Xenoblade without second thoughts. DKC love is mostly nostalgia, and the main selling point of the games were the prerendered graphics which look like shit now.
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>>316642198

More importantly, make it so you actually have room for stocks of every item. It's not like inventory management is supposed to be part of the game strategy like in, say, Paper Mario.

>>316640957

Voted, but DKC is probably going to win.
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>Is this the best RPG of the past decade

yes, but take into consideration that many RPGs were shit in the last decade, and I mean a lot

>could it be improved?

ya, xenoblade x

>what would you add

MECHS
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>>316641332
>>316640957
who cares? it's just gonna be ff7 vs oot with these kids
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who cares POST CUCCOO GIRL
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Fuck I really need to finish it off, just done with the Machina village
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>>316641663
this is probably the best explanation I could give

except while FF games have shit to ok stories, blade's story was great
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>>316642926

and dont forget to vote on gamefaqs
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>>316643020
>blade's story was great
blade's story is the shounenshit garbage on a level of most ff games though, if not worse
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>>316642926
>dad dies
>brother dies
>her people die
>capital ruined
>c u c ked by Shulk

Melia is suffering.
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I tried to play this for the first time yesterday.
I got to the first fight, killed a couple of mech things, and then turned it off and deleted it.
I had high hopes, but wow the combat was instantly actively boring.
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>>316643312
Yeah, but at least it wasn't pretentious dreck like Xenogears and Xenosaga. So many words, so many works referenced, yet no meaning.
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>>316643312
there is no final fantasy story that comes close to blade's story
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>>316643398

This is bait, no one else respond.
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>>316643501
He's allowed his opinion man
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>>316643501
I'm surprised that the dude even plays jrpg since they all start almost the same fucking way
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>>316643180

ARE YOU GOING TO LET THIS BIRD GET COOCKED BY A PAIR OF MONKEYS /V/?

WWW.GAMEFAQS.COM MOTHERFUCKERS
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>>316643436
FF12 and FFT straight annihilate Xenoblade in terms of story and especially writing.
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>>316643636
Only generic ones.
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>>316643664

FF12's story ends up falling completely flat though despite the god tier writing. It has no scale, unlike Xenoblade.
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>>316643664
>12
fuck no, it has one of the most bland FF stories

>T

maybe, haven't played it. I was thinking about mainline
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MUHNADO LEND US YOUR POWER
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>>316643643

Wait, what's this gamefaqs thing about?
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>>316643751
The problem with FFXII is that it has no heart. There is no reason to care about anything that happens in it. Entirely soulless and uninteresting.
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>>316643664
>Tactics
Probably
>FF12
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.I like 12 but come on you can't make shit up like this
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>>316643751
>It has no scale
Not every game needs to end with protagonist becoming so super special he effortlessly defeats a god and recreates the entire universe.
Holy shit i was just disgusted during the entire finale of XB.
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>>316643501
It's really not.
The closest game to that combat system I think I've played was maybe .Hack, but that at least made me want to keep going. Maybe the story drew me in more? I don't really know, but I know this was not for me.
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The real problem with FF12 is its just such a more believable story so it comes across as boring compared to the insane plot twists in Xenoblade.
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>>316640559
The battle system, on some occasions, my party members just fucking bolt to some weak enemy across the map, while taking on a stronger enemy

It's rare, but its annoying as fuck sometimes
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>>316640559
I just passed Bionis' Leg and I'm about to enter the marsh.

Personally, I'd make quests and landmarks give less fucking experience. You stick around to complete the stuff you find just running around, you make sure to explore the entire area, and suddenly you're like twice the level of everything else and are actively avoiding encounters so that the boss fight is still half a challenge. And even with that going on, I gained two levels just from landmarks in the mines.

So I'd probably make quest and landmark xp diminish with levels like kill xp.
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>>316643830
I hate how powerless is this whiny beta faggot.
That scene on prison island where he was crying near Zanza's body was pathetic.
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>>316643997
Shulk was special since the beginning.Correct that statement
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>>316644046

If you are not baiting, then you are retarded.

You hadn't even seen the combat system yet when you quit you massive fucking retard. It unlocks gradually.
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>>316643997
Fedoracore JRPGs are not for you, my friend.
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>>316644123
It has some great subplots (Balthier and his father, the friendship of Vayne, Cid and Venat) but they are quite subtle. No wonder that typical shounenshit eaters don't like it.
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>>316644129

You... didn't realize you could give party members orders to attack the same enemy as you or split up?
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>>316643848
They have a Best Game Ever competition like they do every odd year, it's Xenoblade vs DKC today
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>>316644296
why are you pretending all of FFs stories arn't shounenshit?
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>>316644193
There's a fortress in the marsh that fucks you up, don't worry.
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/bge20_vote

>49.65%

Come on /v/ you can do better than this
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>>316644198
>"powerless"
>literally goes on a bloodthirsty revenge quest to kill the mechon
>gets his sword unlocked to kill living things in order to kill the mechon harder
>eventually becomes literally all powerful and reboots the universe to his liking, up to and including giving his waifu her vagina back

Shulk gets shit done, m8. He has far less moments of whinging introspection than Cloud or Squall or whoever the fuck, that's for damn sure.
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>>316644405
Because FF12 and FFT were written by one of a few competent writers in the entire japanese game industry.
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>>316644296
Subplots which could've been delivered better imo. And Xenoblade has good subplots too fyi
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It would have been nice to be able to compare equipment and making it easier to find some NPCs for the side quests. Other than that I didn't really have an issue with the game.
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i can't tell what's more overrated

Xenoblade or Persona 4

They're not terrible but more like 8/10 games
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>What would you add to make it better?

condense high alcamoth a bit or add a few landmarks

an ingame list of what npc's trade

plot that doesn't turn into your generic HURR GO KILL GOD crap (although zanza and meyneth's backstories were kinda neat)
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>>316644309
No it's not that, it recently happened again to me, I'm fighting a single tough enemy, I didn't use orders because what's the point, its the only enemy on screen, and then randomly during the fight they bolt off to fight smaller enemies a good 200m away.

Also, im playing on the 3DS, is there a way to make the camera center on targets, I hate using the nub for a camera
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>>316644508
Xenoblade. Xeno fanboys are absolutely rabid whereas most Persona 4 fanboys will admit they don't even really play many JRPGs and that the game is just their favourite, not the best ever.
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I downloaded this game a year ago but didn't have time to play it at the time. Just picked it up again and i don't remember if i can switch characters mid battle, or at least decide which ability they use. Can i?
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>>316644465
FF12 is easily the worst numbered Final Fantasy, though.
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>>316644402

Oh right, that thing. Guess I'll vote for Xenoblade then. How long does the voting last?
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>>316644465
blade is written by the guy who did xenogears, which shits on every story ever conceived by any other square game. Blade is still shounenshit, as are FF games
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>>316644198
The only time Shulk cries is when he kills his father figure though
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>>316644451
correct in almost everything, Shulk does not give vaginas back to anyone m8
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>>316644451
Now kick muh nado from his hand and watch as he crawls around.
He's pathetic and relies on his cheat sword to do anything.
Without his sword he's fucking NOTHING. A shitstain with barely any signs of personality. Dickless on top of it, given that two girls in the team are almost jumping on him.

Holy shit how Takahashi went from Fei to this faggot.
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>>316644605
Approximately two hours.
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>>316644508
>Persona 4
>Persona 4 Golden
>Persona 4 the animation
>Persona 4 The animation Golden
>Arena
>Ultimax
>Dan

Persona is literally cancer
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>>316644601
no these are the official rankings
golden age tier
4 5 6 7
good tier
1 3 9 12
into the trash tier
2 8 10 13
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I'd give FF12 IZJS the edge over Xenoblade Chronicles but not by a lot.

Mostly due to the post game content in 12 compared to Xenoblades lack thereof
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>>316644626
I hope you aren't implying that Xenogears has a good story. It's an unfinished pretentious mess aimed at teenage atheists.
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>>316644626
Xenogears is an overrated NGE ripoff trash story-wise.
Vagrant Story is certainly better written than any Takahashi game.
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>>316644228
You're very passionate about your shitty game.
I'd rather do other things with my life than dump time into a game that instantly turns me off but might eventually get better.
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>>316640559
the last story was better
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>>316644709
>likes Fei
>complains about "bullshit cheats"

lel
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>>316644451
>Goes on a genocidal rampage against mechon
>Goes on a genocidal rampage against telethia
>Goes on a genocidal rampage against god
Shulk needs to eat a snickers or something
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>>316644828
It was too fucking short!!
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>>316644828
It could be better if it wasn't so fucking easy.
Seriously, is there a mod to make it harder? Jesus fuck.
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>>316644754
the story is complete, it was condensed into one game. The gameplay got gutted

>pretentious
either you don't know what this word means, or you're trying to cover up the fact that you didn't understand gears

>aimed at teenage atheists

ya, I'm sure the game where you help god based off Gnosticism is aimed at atheists
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>>316644738
>Top Tier
9
7
FFT
6

>High Tier
5
12
4
10

>Mid Tier
8
FFTA
1
13-2
FFTA2

>Low Tier
3
10-2
Lightning Returns

>Bottom Tier
13
2
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>>316643180
>>316642926
Not enough barefeet Melia
Help out?
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>>316640559
>past decade
In the last 10 years, disregarding Xenoblade, we've gotten:
>Kingdom Hearts II
>Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep
>Kingdom Hearts: RE: Chain of Memories
>Kingdom Hearts: Dream Drop Distance
>Final Fantasy XII
>Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings
>Final Fantasy XIII
>Final Fantasy XIII-2
>Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII
>Final Fantasy Type 0/HD
>Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha vs The Soulless Army
>Devil Summoner 2: Raidou Kuzunoha vs King Abaddon
>Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey
>Shin Megami Tensei IV
>Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers
>Devil Survivor/Overclocked
>Devil Survivor 2/Record Breaker
>Valkyria Chronicles
>Valkyria Chronicles II
>Valkyria Chronicles III
>Fire Emblem Awakening
>Magical Starsign
>Infinite Space
>The Last Story
>Solatorobo: Red the Hunter
>Dragon Quest IX: Sentinels of the Starry Skies
>Mario and Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
>Bravely Default
>Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky
>Etrian Odyssey Untold: The Milennium Girl
>Etrian Odyssey Untold 2: The Fafnir Knight
>Etrian Odyssey IV
>Dungeon Travelers 2
...And so on. You get the idea. And you think Xenoblade is the best? Really? That's the best you can come up with?
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>>316644797
xenogears's story has nothing to do with NGE, it has references but nothing more
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>>316644712

Fuck, it needs like 200 votes. So close though.

49.67% now. Would be cool to see it win.
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>>316640559
-Houses and buildings you can actually go so it actually feels like people live there instead of walking in a town of cubes with window/door textures. The outside/environment is really rich so having interiors like Fiora/Dunban's house would bring it more to life.

-Restoration/Reconstruction of Alcamoth- those portal quests hinted at it but we never got to full restore it like Colony 6. This leads to...

-A happy ending for Melia
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>>316644856
Except for Fei it was a curse for 90% of the game.
He killed pretty much his second family with it and all his friends, even a girl who loved him.
He almost managed to kill Bart and everyone who was on that desert ship as well.
He was locked in a loop of death and rebirth being forced to watch as the girl he loves dies again and again.
He's also a master of hand-to-hand combat even without Xenogear.
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I'd make it turn based or an action RPG instead of MMO garbage.
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Does /v/ like the last story? it was my favorite of the three "operation rainfall" games
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>>316644709
>cheat sword
>entire last quarter of the game is him shitting on the opposition without the monado

and how the fuck is that any different than fei having the power of fucking god
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>>316645179
Entire last quarter of the game he was aided by that white haired supercomputer guy.
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>>316644709
>Without his sword he's fucking NOTHING.
Did you even play the game m8?
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>>316645293
alvis is neutral, not a helper
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>>316645106
Also gets laid unlike Shulk who will die a virgin.
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>>316645293
Alvis does fuck all to help. He just asks Shulk if he believes in himself and sits back to question everyone's actions
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>>316645017
>Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep

stopped reading, this piece of shit game expects you to play through it's bland, boring worlds 3 times to fully complete it

the battle system is also shit compared to kh2
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>>316645106
So what you're saying is he's an edgy emo Deviantart fuckup while Shulk gets shit done.
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>>316645381
He clearly was on Shulk side and even Zanza understood that he was clearly helping him.
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>>316643853
>FFXII
>no heart
>a game with so much detail in it that most people wouldn't even come across just for the sake of making its world seem more real
>with tracks like this playing at the most heartfelt moments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuiV6CNpLWU
>>316643664
I'm with you nigga. Xenoblade can't even touch Xenoblade's story, and one of the biggest reasons for this is because Xenoblade failed to flesh out its interesting world. It fell apart at worldbuilding, so its harder to care about shit. Plus its too damn shonen with how Shulk handles things.
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>>316645293
Alvis only gave him a chance to fight back against Zanza he didn't help at all aside from that push that gave his life back
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>>316644990

Good luck finding any. And if you do post it here.
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>>316645505
he just explains the situation. The only time alvis "helps" shulk is when fighting the telethia, and that's to get him on track to zanza's plan

>>316645404
for 4 years I thought this image was Fei and Elly
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>>316645528
By no heart I meant that no one gives a shit about the cast, thus no one gives a shit about the story.
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>>316645485
>edgy
I don't think you understand the meaning of this word, shitstain.
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>>316645528
>Xenoblade can't even touch Xenoblade's story, and one of the biggest reasons for this is because Xenoblade failed to flesh out its interesting world

Looks like someone didn't do affinity quests
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>>316645528
>game with so much detail in it
Detail that completely butchers and contradicts FFTA, a much better better game.

FF12 is a joke, and not a funny one, more of a sad clown shitting on a Renaissance painting.
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>>316645628
I dunno, it seems like an equally arbitrary and shallow summary to the one you gave Shulk, so surely it must be fair.

Except I guess your nostalgia won't allow that.
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>>316643373
Melia's suffering made me legit uncomfortable and sad. Like I was happy for shulk to finally get what he wanted but at what cost?
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>49.69%
>49.69%
>49.69%
>49.69%

DON'T LET US DOWN NOW /v/ KEEP THE VOTES COMING

www.gamefaqs.com
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>>316646017
>That part in the ending when it goes into first person point of view and Melia is just staring off into the distance at Outlook Park and faintly smiling
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>>316645673
They were never available. Any time I went to them it'd just say "You need to build up your friendship with these characters that you've been traveling all this time with that already act like good friends in the cutscenes".
>>316645701
All right. I'll give you I've never played Tactics or Tactics Advance. But somehow I find it hard to believe a GBA game has as much depth to Ivalice as a universe as XII.
I mean, XII explains to you, in detail, the economic conditions of different communities throughout the world and how the class system in different cultures work, with examples being Lowtown versus the higher parts of Rabanastre, or the chops system in Archades and its relationship with Old Archades. It spent time explaining the different cultures of the world and the way they lived, from the Native American-like Garif to the Elf-like Viera and their relationship with the Wood and Mist. It spent time explaining the world's religion and how there was a fight between the Gods and the various Espers of the world, and what those Espers' original duties were. This added to how important the gods and religion are in the world of Ivalice and in Final Fantasy XII itself, where it plays an integral role in the story. It elaborated in detail in how each of the monsters in the world interacted with the environment. They were actual animals, and some were used for food and other goods, which was also shown not only through the Primer but also through the loot system. The license board made world sense, where people would need more adequate training in order to be trusted with a license to use more dangerous equipment, thus integrating the world into gameplay. Throughout the game the different races of the world were shown as to what role they play in the world and how they interact with it, such as the fact that Seeq typically make up the brute strength of armies and how Bangaa were good fist fighters and generally a rowdy bunch, or how Moogle are good technicians.
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>>316646339

AGAINST THE ODDS, WE CHOOSE TO VOTE
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>>316646017
My headcannon is that Melia will fuck Shulks descendants one after another
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>>316646549
BL- TIMING IS EVERYTHING, REMEMBER THAT
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>>316646308

49.7 now

WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THIS
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>>316646516
I was talking about the colony quests,And raising affinity between party members is easy as fuck
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>>316646612
perfect
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>>316646527
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>>316646648

206 votes behind. We need more than the people in this thread to vote! Ask your friends!
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>>316646798
delete this
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How did you lot gear up your characters?
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>>316645627
>Balthier
>Basch
>Fran
>Larsa
>Cid
>shit
>>316645478
But of course. KHII is one of the best games out there in terms of gameplay, but what Birth By Sleep lacks in gameplay it has strength in its story. Specifically Terra's.
>>316646516
To add to this, the game also explained in its sidequests how character relationships were, such as with Balthier and those nasty headhunting Bangaa that give chase to him, or perhaps Montblanc's history and troubles in Hunting. Or what sort of myths and legends exist in the world, such as that of a Chubacabra-like creature that prays on children in Bhujerba. There's so much fucking detail to FFXII's world that its incredibly easy to get immersed in it and feel like you're part of a real world, which makes it much easier to care about everything else. Xenoblade doesn't have this level of detail. And its a shame too, because you would think a world made up of two sleeping giants would be incredibly interesting.
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>>316647159
>story
>kh

please stop
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>>316646516
>Someone actually took the time to write this garbage up

Nobody has ever denied that FFXII has a lot to it and is different from most FF plots. The problem is that no one cares about Occuria and Dynast Kings or the majority of the party members in FFXII.
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>>316647159

Terra's story can be summed up as Terra gets tricked by villain, Terra does stupid shit, Terra moves to next world, rinse repeat.

It's literally the journey of a retard.

You're just autistic and think that cool final boss moment = the story is good.
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>>316640559
The only thing I can think of is more Mechonis. You think you've reached the halfway point then Hulk Hogan ruins everything.
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>>316640559
It's the best RPG of all time, in my personal opinion.
- Make it easier to keep track of NPCs, including time of day and location. Give me a list where I can search for names or NPCs relating to quests
- add a library for monsters and the items they drop
- give me a percent meter indicating the story progression until time quests will be locked. Maybe add a ?/? total amount of current timed quests I finished
>>316640957
leave it to Reyn
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>>316647463
Well its not just that; BBS's story in general is strong because its both self-contained and it revolves around three very distinctly different characters who for once, while being main characters, aren't necessarily heroes, and they each have personality quirks with moments where they make mistakes and don't know what to do. That villains actually manage to trick the characters and tear them down.
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>>316643373
this desu
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>>316646798
this hurts so FUCKING much
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>>316640559
Xenoblade X pretty much improved every little last thing the original game I had an issue with.
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>>316641524
>Agniritha gets blown up
>have to escape
>go into mechonis core
>can walk all the way back to Agniritha and it's still there
it's the little things in gaming
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>>316648385
>>316647463
To add to this, compare BBS's plot to KHII's, which lacks some important information regarding events that existed in Chain of Memories, and look at how overpowered Sora is. You could argue that the characters get tricked into fighting heartless, but that whole setup is pointless anyways since the characters just keep doing the same thing anyways and no consequence comes of it except for a final battle in which Sora goes full shonen slicing buildings and shit.
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>>316641524
>tfw remember quest NPCs more than the actual faced-mechon
Desiree and her romance problems, Berryjammy's lack of friends, Bana's betrayal, etc
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>>316640559
the story needs to be fleshed out in a lot of places (zanza, dickson especially)
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>>316640957
WE'RE SO CLOSE.
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>>316644709
>Now kick muh nado from his hand and watch as he crawls around
>He's pathetic and relies on his cheat sword to do anything
literally, outed yourself for never even playing the game.
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>>316649765

Too bad it's not enough. Unless you can get 300 votes in 30 minutes by spamming someone's livestream or something.
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>>316640559
Nah. TWEWY has that honor.

The MMO-esque gameplay of XC was pretty eh overall, was kinda shallow too. The sidequests also sucked. That's about all I can think of to improve upon, really.
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>>316640559
Probably not make level factor so much into accuracy.
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meme
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>>316640559
>DQ8 vs Persona 3
What the fuck, both of those are games are too good for 1 to get eliminated right away. That's a bullshit matchup. Either one would have crushed the rest
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>>316651624
If Chugga was streaming Xenoblade would win easily because its his favorite game of all time. But he streamed last week so shiiiit.
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>>316652470
chugga is cancer
we where so close to him kicking the grass, maybe next time.
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>>316652875
you might get better reponses on his videos
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>>316652875
>kicking the grass
What?
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>>316652875
>kick the grass
what the fuck, it's bucket of course. Well time to sleep I guess
>>316653074
it's not like I even wanted to bait, /v/ surely agrees on him being cancerous
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