Zelda U will be the best Zelda since Wind Waker.
That's not saying much
>>316597104
Wind Waker was shit.
Twilight Princess is the best Zelda game
>implying
>still having faith in neo-nintendo
>>316597652
>neo
Lol there he is
>Wind Waker
>Best
No fuck you, worst 3D Zelda, the amount of content they cut from the game was unforgivable.
>>316597685
Say what you want, you know what I mean and you also know I'm right.
>>316597104
Bait
>>316597104
Not hard, Wind Waker was awful, Twilight Princess was decent but bland, and Skyward Sword was motion controls.
>>316597572
twilight princess was shit
>>316597356
>>316597379
>>316597785
>>316598091
And so /v/ continues to be shit
>>316597104
So it won't be as good as aLttP, Link's Awakening, Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Oracle of Ages, and Oracle of Seasons?
>>316598091
>motion control combat was too much to handle for sweaty amerifats so it's bad
>>316598714
You must be literally underage to have enjoyed Wind Waker with its blatant flaws.
OoT > TP > MM > SS > WW desu
The cycle begins anew
>>316597652
I'm sure if you keep saying it, it will catch on eventually buddy.
>>316599026
>perfect
>skyward sword
>>316597356
Lol came in to post this
the 6 people who own a U will be so happy
>>316597104
But anon, wind walker isn't even close to the best Zelda according to /v/
>>316599946
>lost to a finalist by 0.6%
>not close to the best
>>316599946
THE
CITY
OF
PHANTOM
HOURGLASS
>>316600053
>not even in semi finals
>close to best
Nope
>>316597572
millenial fag detected.
twilight princess was a recycled zelda game.
i was 16 when it came out and had played every single console zelda game.
it was recycled shit. i was so fucking let down when i beat it.
>>316599946
These faggots seriously think Link's Awakening is better than both Wind Waker and Ocarina? Shaking mah dam head to be quite honest family.
>>316600174
Retarded logic, you could face the winner in the first round while being the second best game and instantly lose.
I hope Zelda U finally fills the final gap.inb4 some fag suggests WW, TP, or SS. They're all too flawed to be in the Triforce.
>>316599946
>according to /v/
>>316599946
>Fedora's Mask
Not surprised
>>316600310
>Oracle of Seasons and Ages
>best of the 2d
They're good games, but not the best.
>>316600457
>fedora's mask
fuck you but I died laughing
>>316600594
Welcome to 4chan are you enjoying your first day ?
>since wind waker
You can tell the autism of the gamecube kids on this board who probably think smash melee is the best thing in the world.
>>316600457
What's surprising about that? Its a great Zelda game, the only unique one left.
I liked Majoras Mask the most.
Sure less dungeons but I loved all the side quests and collecting masks.
I also enjoyed the darker tone of th game, plenty of death and loss.
That's my opinion though.
I like oot, ww was okay, tp sucked, didn't give enough of a shit to play ss.
34 posts in and no one is actually talking about Zelda U
It looks good, but I really just want more information about it. Next trailer should show off dungeons or combat.
>>316599946
>Link's Awakening making it that far
The fuck's wrong with you people
>>316599946
Link's Awakening is far inferior to Link to the Past.
>>316601015
>Minish Cap beating Zelda 1
Casuals, that's what.
>>316600967
I don't think we'll have a new trailer until e3.
>>316597104
So it will be third best?
>>316597356
>>316597379
>he fell for the trap
>>316601148
>Link to the Past: tiny sword swipe that makes combat too close and annoying
>Link's Awakening: perfect 90 degree slash with good reach
Nah m8
>>316598830
>>I cannot enjoy games if there is a single flaw. They must live up to my perfect standards for me to consider enjoying them.
oh how far you have fallen /v/....
Whatever happen to just PLAYING FUCKING VIDEO GAMES AND HAVING A GOOD TIME. Instead of bitching about random little things all over.
I get that there are games that have issues, and I get that there are games that are just downright bad. But come on. It's like you're a bunch of Pharisees judging people because they lifted a pot off the ground too high on the sabbath.
>>316599946
>minish cap won over loz
nah, the majority was retarded
>>316601413
Not him but I feel like replying. No game is flawless but when the flaws are really apparent and hinder my enjoyment, then it's a fucking problem. Maybe you could enjoy WW despite it's flaws but I don't. And this isn't some high and mighty opinion I have as an adult, this is also the way I felt when I first played the game back in 2003. Even as a kid, things like the lack of difficulty and missing content disappointed me to no end.
>>316600310
skyward sword should be in the last piece. you need the courage to play it
>>316600310
Remove Ocarina and fill in with WW and SS
>>316600193
Oh but Wind Waker going to get the green, blue and red gemstones to get the master sword and then awaken the sages wasn't recycled shit?
>>316601703
>remove Ocarina for Ocarina for Babies
I don't understand, anon.
>>316601750
This. I always find it really hypocritical when people shit on TP for sucking OoT's dick when WW does it too.
>Shit Waker
Oh boy sure I love me the shittiest 3D dungeons, a flat, boring layer of blue "overworld" with copypaste batches of land scattered around and QTE combat, not to mention that wonderful triforce hunt filler because LOL CUT CONTENT
>>316601781
>muh mature games
>on a chinese cartoon site
>on a videogame board
>on a nintendo thread
kill yourself
>>316602048
What mature? Wind Waker is Ocarina but with less content AND less difficulty. It's EASIER in every way than the game that came before it, which is a huge problem for people who have played any other game in the franchise.
NEW SCREENSHOT!
>>316601626
I can honestly count the number of games I gave up on due to 'flaws' on one hand. I agree, WW isn't perfect but it wasn't some steaming pile of shit either. I play games to enjoy the experience, the story, and the creativity of the game creators in crafting their world. If the mechanics are a little wonky at times or the gameplay has artificial difficulty or easyness sure it might be a little frustrating but I don't think that's worth labeling it as shit.
>>316601626
>missing content
But how did you even know? It's like you were trying to not have fun. It makes sense now that every coffee maker is connected to the internet, but in 2003 you had to work to get that much information to complain about. Frankly, you don't sound like a fun person. You sound like the guy who insists on playing that one game all night with friends because "the rest are for babies"
>>316602112
Ocarina's just pretty bland.
>>316602157
Haha, that's Legend of Ninjago silly!
OoT = MM > TP > WW > SS
>>316602229
>> It's like you were trying to not have fun.
My feelings about these sorts of people exactly. . Take Mass Effect 3 for example. Was that ending to the whole series a little less awesome as it could have been? Yeah a little but I still thought it was okay. I had enjoyed the whole journey getting there and you know what, the ending worked for me. Meanwhile people are bitching so hard at the game creators they had to make whole new fucking ending to shut people up. Jesus fucking christ people. Whatever happened to playing video games and having a good time because video games are great.
>>316602309
Are you sure? Look, you can see the masks from Majora's Mask return in the top left.
There's the map in the bottom left as per usual, a new little gizmo in the bottom right (fairies confirmed?) of the screen and, of course, the heart system!
It's nice and bloomy too!
MM > SS > WW > TP > OoT
>>316602190
It's not like I put down the game I gave up on it. I completed it, there are a parts of it I enjoy greatly, but I would still say it was disappointing overall and not worthy of all the praise /v/ gives it.
>>316602229
How do you get to the third pearl and not realize that something is strange? Especially if you played Ocarina of Time previously. And then the Triforce Quest comes with all its padding and once the game was over and the amount of dungeons was an unimpressive 5, even as a kid I put two and two together and realized this game had to have been cut in some way. It wasn't like Majora's Mask where there were sidequests to fill the void, it was trying to be a LttP and OoT style game. Do you really think 12 year old me was trying to not have fun to complain on an internet forum? No, I was just playing a game from a series I liked and happened to be disappointed.
Wind Waker is a low-tier Zelda though. It's alright I guess but it's no pedestal to put anything on, or any standard worth adhering to.
>>316602229
>But how did you even know?
Because it's really fucking obvious, especially to anyone who played any other Zelda game before it?
>Fire and Ice islands are literally single rooms
>You got the Master Sword! Have TWO whole dungeons!
>Third pearl is LITERALLY just handed to you because no dungeon for it
>The ENTIRE Triforce Hunt being the game handing you scrap paper and saying "Sod off for a few hours ok?"
ITT: Zelda Cycle
I'm excited for everyone to start professing their undying love for SS once Zelda U comes out
>>316600310
SS is handily the most courageous of the 3D Zeldas, for better and worse.
>>316600517
Except they are.
>>316602675
a bit late to the party there friend, the other memers already beat you to it, better luck next thread
>>316602797
No need to wait. SS is a good game. A flawed one, and one that fucks with the formula more than it needed to, but a good game nonetheless. I'd say its pros outweigh its cons.
>>316599026
Skyward Sword will forever be shit.
>>316602543
>Mass Effect 3
Oh, God. The asshurt from that game was amazing.
>>316602674
That I can agree with, it isn't a shining beacon like some people say but it was still a good game.
What part about the pearls was confusing? Once you got them all you went and put them in the little island statues that seemed pretty obvious. Pretty sure gave you the hint somewhere either from talking to your boat or stopping by those islands before you had the pearls and examining the statues.
>>316602824
How are they the best?
I like them, but they aren't that good.
The puzzles are bad and dungeon design is shit. Also the fact that the game has no invincibility frames makes the game intolerable.
>>316602797
Come join those of us who've escaped the cycle. SS is a great game, one of the best in the series.
>>316603151
I think he's referring to the third pearl just being given to you instead of going through a dungeon for it. It could be handwaved as a change in pace perhaps but it does raise a red flag as well - it's more than likely that a dungeon was supposed to be there.
>>316603151
It was the lack of dungeon or hell, any fanfare for the third pearl. You just get it and that's that. I feel like the island where you initially go to get it was supposed to be its own thing like Dragon Roost and the Forest Haven but got cut out because of time constraints.
>>316603075
It really was a thing to behold. It's just sad how the people writing the stories for games have become so beholden to the bitching of gamers. Just let them write the games and write the stories as they see fit. It's just as stupid as finishing a book, not liking it, and demanding the author go back and rewrite it.
>>316597104
>Zelda U will be the same Zelda since Ocarina
>>316597104
Zelda's going to wear a burka because of NoA.
>>316603354
>>316603393
Ah that makes sense, that was a little odd. I do remember going to that stormy little island expecting some neat dark dungeon but nah. Quite the flaw, but it didn't ruin the game for me.
>>316603269
>The puzzles are bad and dungeon design is shit.
I disagree with both of those. They're probably among the more intricately designed titles in the series, and the overworlds were a good mix of exploration and sidequesting. I wish all Zeldas had the Oracles' density of content.
>Also the fact that the game has no invincibility frames makes the game intolerable
Elaborate. Not denying the lack of invincibility frames but how does that make the game intolerable? If anything, they're just two of the more challenging post-NES Zeldas.
>>316600967
Well, we know nothing about it, so is hard to talk about it. There have been some threads about Link's new big ass claymore though.
>>316599946
>majoras mask
Is this a fucking meme image? MM is literally a shit game
>>316601413
>It's like you're a bunch of Pharisees judging people because they lifted a pot off the ground too high on the sabbath.
>>316602987
I really don't understand the universal hate of SS it's much better than boring shit like TP.
>>316603631
>If anything, they're just two of the more challenging post-NES Zeldas.
They're only challenging for the bullshit reason that you can get hit by the same enemy about 4-5 times. Even the first Zelda didn't have this problem.
I also don't like the overworld or the sidequests. They never made logical sense to me, but maybe that's just me.
>>316602229
>But how did you even know?
Well GEEZ I DUNNO
Maybe, just maybe the blue gemstone given to you out of the blue (no pun intended here) when you had to go to dungeons for the other 2
Or maybe how you get the fire and ice arrow in what were painfully obvious going to be dungeons, full with a map you get in-game that tells you as much
Or the MOST blatant one, the Water Temple, and how gorons and what were supposed to be gorons successors were scrapped full with a missing island and missing water temple, which carries missing sidequests as well.
And how all of this resulted in the overworld being full of LITERAL filler islands scattered all over the place
4 dungeons scrapped. My 12 years old could tell there was cut content. That's how bad it was.
>>316599383
>>316602987
Pretty sure thats the joke
>>316603802
It means gamers are getting too nitpicky and judgemental about trivial bullshit.
>>316597104
That's a shame, that means it's going to be big, empty, not worth exploring, too easy, too few dungeons, badly paced and having a feeling of incompleteness.
>>316599026
There is no cycle you tard, it's just fans of different ages coming and going.
>>316603631
They half-assed some of the things in the Oracle games, but it can be forgiven.
>>316603993
To each their own I suppose. You seem to dislike everything I liked about the games. I felt like they were very much an evolution of what Zelda 1 and ALttP were doing in just about all respects. I'm also saddened that the seed/ring system never came back in later games. Rings are cool as shit.
>>316600193
>millenial fag detected
>i was 16 when it came out
>>316604116
I know. But that analogy.
>>316601750
>>316601872
You two are fucking retarded. Wind Waker introduced new mechanics, a incredible new visual and feel to the game.
You could also for the first time in the series use enemies weapons.
You faggot fanboys want to defend your favourite game because it was your first true Zelda or whatever the fuck, but you're just embarrassing yourselves.
Even when it came out it was considered a rethread of old stuff, which is why Jeff gave it 8.8 when it came out.
This is why everyone shits on you and calls you millennials when you try to pretend Twilight Princess was better than it was.
It was an okay game. A mediocre Zelda.
>>316604309
Rings were cool as shit. The rings alone are why I like the games.
>>316604450
>You could also for the first time in the series use enemies weapons.
wooooooow so innovative.
>>316602493
I gotta say I like the story of Ocarina more. It's pretty much the Zelda formula perfected but Majora has better gameplay and atmosphere.
>>316604450
Also, the world in a has never felt as disjointed and boring as it did in Twilight Princess.
Ocarina, Majora's and even Wind Waker which was mostly water had world's with much more personality.
Twilight Princess felt like Generic Fantasy game #415214
>>316603310
>>316602928
I've always liked SS, don't worry
>>316604450
>You could also for the first time in the series use enemies weapons.
That didn't do shit besides for two special occasions and weren't worth picking up.
>new mechanics
Too bad the dungeons were braindead easy and linear.
Yes, it tried to do new things but when you consider the game as a whole, it is mediocre and things weren't well executed.
>>316604450
TP has better dungeons, better overworld, better items, better swordplay.
All you WWbabbies have to defend that abortion of a "Zelda" game is >m-muh plastic pastel colored visuals and >muh comfy
>>316603836
SS did some thing right, but most of it was shit.
Pros
>Crafting
>Stamina
>Pouches
>Dash
>Desert
Cons
>Handholding
>Faulty controls
>Interruptions
>Empty overworld
>Bad enemy design
>Shit story
>The last forest section
It's stupid enough when people rate a game they didn't play but it's beyond retarded when they do it for a game no one ever played
>>316604583
Maybe for a faggot who didn't play it when it first came out it sounds like shit, but back then it made a difference.
All Zelda's before Twilight Princess had a clear feel to it. Twilight Princess was just a generic fantasy game.
>>316604450
>implying I even like TP
>implying I'm not just pointing out the hypocrisy in WWfags
WW didn't need to change Zora to Rito or Kokiri to fucking leaf children. They could have been their own races. But it did it anyway because "muh OoT." And it especially didn't need Zelda, just Tetra would have been perfectly fine and in fact, better.
>>316604676
>OoT overworld
>batch of grass with paths leading to different environments
>MM overworld
>batch of grass with paths leading to different environments
>WW overwold
>layer of blue with generic copypasted batches of land everywhere
>TP overworld
>many batches of grass with paths leading to different environments
Stop being a faggot hypocrite.
>>316604450
OoT was my first Zelda and I vastly prefer TP to WW. I felt WW was better with conveying a sense of exploration, a fun game to dick around in and find things on your own time, but TP was much better if you wanted a more grounded main quest and had better combat mechanics and dungeon design.
>>316604747
>Better dungeons
The dungeons are the only redeeming part of TP. They are pretty good.
>Better Overworld
TP had objectively the WORST overworld in the Zelda series when it came out. It felt generic and SHIT, had ZERO personality, especially if you weren't a faggot and had played other Zelda games before it.
>Better items
Items were just the standard Zelda fare. There were some cool and interesting ones but they weren't much use except inside dungeons which were the only redeeming part of the game.
>Better swordplay
The swordplay was copy and pasted from Wind Waker except gated through stupid quests.
>>316605079
Not really. TP overworld is miles better than Ocarina's hallway overworld and WW's shitty boring sea.
TP had stuff like bomb and arrows, double clawshots, ball and chain and stuff. WW just rehashed OoT items and called it a day.
Swordplay was given depth instead of PRESS A TO INSTA WIN faggotry in WW.
>>316604805
>made a difference
No, it really didn't.
>>316604989
If that's what you think of the different Zelda's overworld you're a fucking retard.
OoT, MM and WW all had expansive overworld's that felt like you were exploring and going in an adventure. They may not seem big by today's standard though.
TP overworld was disjointed as fuck. Had literally no personality and felt extremely claustrophobic and lifeless.
>>316605079
>The swordplay was copy and pasted from Wind Waker except gated through stupid quests.
That's a no-go. You see, WW did have TP's back slice and helm splitter but they were parry animations, whereas TP turned them into legitimate techniques. And then TP went even further with the finishing blow, shield bash, mortal draw, and jump strike. There's also the great spin but that's a rehash of sorts from OoT/MM. But overall, TP very much expanded on WW's combat base.
>>316605253
TP's overworld felt like different mini open dungeons stitched together with shit and glue.
>>316605268
For you.
>>316604747
>muh charming
>muh comfy
I swear whenever someone says these terms, it's the video game equivalent to "She has a GREAT personality!"
>>316605321
>lifeless
>praises OoT field of nothingness
>praises WW sea of nothingness
Those are some nice goggles you have on your face
>>316597104
I still can't get over how ridiculous that weapon looks. It's a laser switchblade the size of a Gameboy taped to an arrowhead. Why does the just throw it?
>>316597104
>Le Empty Open World
>>316605321
TP's overworld is a number of things but claustrophobic sure as fuck isn't one of them. TP in general maintained a rather grandiose sense of scale throughout, and for all its lack of content Hyrule Field was no different.
>>316605439
>TP's overworld felt like different mini open dungeons stitched together with shit and glue
That sounds more like SS, although I would hesitate to even call that an overworld.
>>316605439
>mini open dungeons stitched together with shit and glue.
That's SS.
>>316605321
I don't think you actually played Twilight Princess.
>>316605432
>Turn them into legitimate techniques
If you think gating the movements is turning them into 'legitimate techniques' you're a fucking retard.
>And then TP went even further with the finishing blow, shield bash, mortal draw, and jump strike.
Not that great of a improvement. These movements also greatly diminished the perfect flow of combat Wind Waker had.
>people defend OoT's overworld
>when there's fuck nothing at all in Hyrule Field but skellingtons at night
>>316605321
OOT has literally the worst overworld, with WW being damn close.
>feel
>no personality
>extremely claustrophobic
>lifeless
Man, those words
Thanks for the chuckle
>>316597785
as someone who has kept trying zelda games and kept getting bored out of my mind with them, wind waker and spirit tracks were the only entertaining zeldas i played
well, twilight princess was decent too but i never finished it
>>316604793
>Handholding
Pretty much every modern Zelda has this.
>Faulty controls
Same for TP if you got the Wii version.
>Interruptions
Not sure what you mean by this.
>Empty overworld
TP overworld is empty too what's your point?
>Bad enemy design
It was fine it had more variety than enemies in TP did.
>Shit story
TP plot is even dumber at least SS tries to clarify some things about the lore.
>The last forest section
Castle In The Sky and Palace of Twilight were much worse.
>>316605640
>perfect flow of combat Wind Waker had.
What flow? Spam B for le epic combo attack and then wait for the QTE to win?
>>316605581
TP didn't feel grandiose at all when I first played it. The only thing that felt grandiose was the last battle against Ganondorf to me.
>>316605610
>>316605617
Didn't play SS, but it sounds like it's even more shitty than TP then.
>>316605627
Unlike you, I bought it on launch date.
>>316605727
>well, twilight princess was decent too but i never finished it
Don't blame ya.
Since I guess many of you have played Wind Waker, here's a question.
Do you remember the picto box mission to be total bullshit? it took me 20 tries to get the letter guy one correctly, the second one was easier but I cannot get the pictue of the couple looking at each other. mean, I get them to do it, i take the pictures no problem but the guy won't accept them.
Any advice? (Yes, asking for a 10+ year old game advice)
>>316605771
>It was fine it had more variety than enemies in TP did.
LOL fuck off. SS just fucking loved to recolor enemies and call it a day.
I got sick of those recolored goblins after the 5000th encounter
It's still looks barebones from the last time we've.
That aliasing will hopefully be fix with NX version.
Is wind waker presently babby's first zelda
it seems like most 18-24 year olds who browse /v/ would have played and completed it first growing up
>>316604793
The worst thing is that all of the potential brought about by ideas like crafting, stamina, shield endurance, the prequel plotline, and such were all ultimately wasted because they were afraid to give the game any depth. I was actually excited for a lot of the things they introduced and it was a serious let down to see how all of it was squandered.
SS just felt like it wanted to be the bridge between serious Zelda like TP and cartoony Zelda like WW but ultimately it just got all of the worst bits of both and none of its new ideas went anywhere.
>>316605640
>If you think gating the movements is turning them into 'legitimate techniques' you're a fucking retard.
Heaven forbid a game actually has you learn techniques throughout the game. You know TP isn't the first game to apply mechanical progression, right? Hell, in a way you could say the Great Fairies of old were "gating off" techniques as well - damn OoT for gating off magic attacks, or so your logic would have it.
>These movements also greatly diminished the perfect flow of combat Wind Waker had.
Parries were not perfect. They trivialized combat and turned many encounters into QTEs. It was a nice idea but TP had the right idea to move away from that.
>>316605727
I liked Spirit Tracks, Majora Mask and Ocarina of Time.
I could barely stay awake with WW's sea of nothing, and most enemies you didn't even have to bother defeating unless they were sharks. And the dungeons were also linear. Wind Temple and Forest were decent and pretty, I guess? enemies were more of a nuisance than they ever have been because they do peashot damage, and the game hands you insane amounts of ruppees and heart containers.
>>316605971
>NX version.
Nice meme and sauce
>>316597572
Twilight princess had some neat dungeons, and the most interesting swordplay in the series (except maybe Zelda 2). I didn't really care for the plot or the aesthetic of the twilight realm.
>>316606017
I'm 23, i grew up with oot, and ww is still my favorite zelda.
>>316605771
TP controlled just fine on Wii, and
>shitting on City In The Sky
Come the fuck on, man.
>>316606134
I tried Majora's Mask for 3DS, got like 5 hours in and sold it back a month later
Spirit Tracks was def better though
>>316606056
>You know TP isn't the first game to apply mechanical progression, right? Hell, in a way you could say the Great Fairies of old were "gating off" techniques as well - damn OoT for gating off magic attacks, or so your logic would have it.
Are you daft? I'm not complaining of gating items and magic attacks. I'm complaining of YOU trying to pretend gating something that was already available from the get-go in a past Zelda game as "turning them into legitimate techniques".
>>316606165
>thinks Nintendo won't have their current hyped game on their new platform to help sales
They'd have to be brain damaged not to have an NX port in the works.
>>316605906
I played it recently, here's what I did.
For the first one, take the photo from the tree's shadow right when he's handing the letter.
Second one is the easiest because there's no waiting
For the third one I took it from the stairs side, right when both look at each other, make sure the camera pictures both of them.
It's an annoying as fuck mission, I'll give you that much. But at least I got the second and third one on my first attempt.
>>316605321
>TP overworld was disjointed as fuck. Had literally no personality and felt extremely claustrophobic and lifeless.
What? When was the last time you actually played this game?
TP had an overworld that was literally ten times the size of OoT and MM's fields and had a shitload of bonus content sprinkled around.
If anything, WW's overworld is more disjointed, literally just being a huge filler ocean to mask loading times and the fact that the actual amount of land in the game is hilariously tiny.
And I saw that as someone who loves the Great Sea anyway.
>>316605971
>looks barebones
Why do people keep saying this about a game we have almost no information on? We have barely seen anything.
>>316600053
>lost to a finalist by 0.6%
lmao. r u retarted or smth. baka senpai
>>316605813
Really? Compared to other Zeldas, TP feels absolutely massive in scale to me. Much of the familiar locales from OoT have a much larger and imposing stature to them.
>>316606289
Majora Mask picks up after you manage to unlock the first dungeon and goes at a really fast pace after that.
Should have given it a little more time. I also played the 3DS to completion, no regrets.
>>316606360
>thinks people will give a shit about a last gen game coming out on whats supposed to be a far superior console
The only reason it worked for the Wii is because it was announced long before it came out that Wii was just a stronger Gamecube
There's zero evidence to prove this is even viable
>>316597885
Yup. There's neo man again.
>>316606460
>why do people label something base on what we've seen so far?
>>316606536
Really? Fuck. I only got to like the ice place after the first dungeon. Oh well.
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>>316606017
It will forever and always be, because no other game has a complete lack of difficulty like it does.
Enemies don't hurt, Free potions everywhere, Grandma's Soup, Fairies, Instant Parry that does more damage and instantly dearmors Darknuts...
And never mind that the "puzzles" are so brain-dead they almost solve themselves.
>this counts as a "puzzle" by Wind Waker's standards
>>316606354
Many of those techniques weren't available in past Zeldas though. The only one that's not an obvious repurposing of WW parry animations is the finishing blow, which is one hell of a throwback to Zelda II. All the other techniques first appeared in TP.
>>316606657
We haven't even seen anything though.
You can make a judgement on something you've seen, but not on something you haven't.
>>316606460
Because some people seem to think that what we see is all there is.
I'm alright with judging things based on footage, but in this case it's pretty silly when the amount of footage seen is so small.
>>316606692
you leave grandma out of this she's a fucking saint
>>316600457
>fedoras mask
Top kek
>>316605971
>its zelda but skyrim
Man I am so ready for an even bigger empty overworld
>>316606692
>you've lived to see the day when people are actually shitting on windwaker versus tp
Yeah I'm out, it's been nice
>>316606670
Should have gone to each dungeon and complete sidequests at the end. Besides Great Bay which might drag a bit to unlock, everything else doesn't require much effort. Great Bay and especially Stone temple are some of my favorite dungeons in the series as well with good bosses. And the final boss is actually challenging, unlike the other Zeldas.
>>316606519
TP has the largest map in sheer landmass by a pretty considerable margin. That area on the main map you walk into after leaving Ordon province by itself is already larger than the entirety of OoT's Hyrule Field.
>>316606426
If you think size it what makes the game's world feel alive I'm glad you're not a game developer.
>WW's overworld is more disjointed, literally just being a huge filler ocean to mask loading times and the fact that the actual amount of land in the game is hilariously tiny.
I think sailing could be faster (seems to be fixed in Wii U version), but WW feels like a vast inundated world that perfectly fits the plot and makes you feel like you're really exploring.
>>316606519
It feels really broken and makes no sense to me. The fact that the overworld is separated in different areas really harmed the game IMO.
>>316606885
Wind Waker was the last Zelda 3D Zelda I bothered completing, and it turned me away from the franchise after being a fan of Zelda since the first game. I could see where the series was headed, and it was not a direction for me. I tried Twilight Princess, but lost interest very fast, since it was just more like Wind Waker.
>>316597104
I've loved every Zelda game and I will stay cautiously hyped like always.
I expect a decent game, nothing more nothing less. I won't get disappointed, I can only get nicely surprised.
>>316606885
People have been doing that since 2006, though.
I don't agree with them because I always loved both, but the Zelda cycle has been bullshit since the very start.
>>316602760
The light medallion is just handed to you in ocarina. Don't see you bitching about that. Oh wait you probably will because you like to complain.
>>316606756
The fuck you're talking about, we've seen an okto-thing attack Link on the field. We've Link roaming around the field finding ruins and it all looked barebones.
>>316604793
>Faulty controls
>Shit story
Those two are bullshit.
I understand the rest, but that's hardly enough to make it shit.
>>316607024
I played the Wii U version with swift sail.
>WW feels like a vast inundated world that perfectly fits the plot and makes you feel like you're really exploring.
Are you sure this is not nostalgia? last time I played 80% of the "islands" were random stones floating in the water, some random floating enemies and pirates lookouts which were the same across the entire sea. And pirate ship was just a room with an item. That didn't definitely felt adventurous at all.
>>316607178
Yeah, but there's also six of them, and OoT has eight full-length dungeons, not including the mini ones.
>>316607210
Games change a lot between the first reveal and release. They probably didn't add stuff in. Their were parts where their was no grass. If none of that changes then you have the right to bitch.
>>316602797
Already love it. The only people who disliked were people who hate change.
>>316606559
Well people gave enough shit when they pulled the same with TP.
>>316607210
That footage was hardly extensive, not to mention the game got delayed afterwards pretty specifically to add more content.
>>316606360
>implying NX will be announced and released in 2016
lmfao
>>316600310
ALTTP should wisdom while the two OoX games are courage, imo.
And MM feels like it would fit the courage piece more than wisdom, for all of the freaky shit it has.
>>316606885
That's because you TP hater stopped being the loudest shitter in the fanbase so you see the people that love/like TP.
TP had flaws, tons of them. But so did WW and every other Zelda game.
>>316599946
>Still has the best opening anyway
https://youtu.be/wvZ4vr_6swk
>>316607113
Weird that you say that since design philosophy-wise they're almost polar opposites. Granted, they're both lopsided games but they're lopsided in different directions - one favors exploration over a decent main quest, and the other favors a decent main quest over exploration.
>>316607442
You can fuck right off with your " oh no you can't criticize it because I say so and I don't agree" mindset , they've shown shit and people have to right to make a judgement base on the source material.
>>316607575
Uh huh, and what we've got back looked barebones, your point?
>>316599946
>minish cap
>beating the legend of zelda
are you fucking serious? what the fuck does minish cap do better than the first zelda?
>>316600310
>implying TP doesn't easily earn the spot
>Muh "Objective" rankings
>>316597104
>Zelda U will be the best Zelda since Wind Waker.
Possibly. After all, every one of the Zeldas that are commonly seen as underwhelming suffered because they were all guinea pigs for the lates console gimmick at the time.
>PH and ST designed around touch controls
>SS designed around motion controls so hard that the entire game's structure is irredeemably fucked
This wasn't the case with TP so much, which suffered less because of the Wii port and more because the development was chaotic and plagued by delays and possibly several development reboots. People have gotten over the fact that it's the OoT rehash that fans demanded at the time, and it has a lot of fans these days.
Under normal circumstances they are still perfectly able to make a fine Zelda (ALBW), and that game alongside the various remakes with their improvements and ease-of-life tweaks that have come out since SS demonstrate that they aren't incompetent. They just need to not be bogged down by gimmicks.
So, since the Wii U doesn't have any game-breaking gimmicks and since they seem committed to fixing a fan complaint not related to anything of the above (Linearity), I don't see why Zelda U would turn out bad.
>>316607923
Practically everything. Basically, LoZ is the worst 2D Zelda. It's barebones with the worst everything. That's not to say it's a bad game though.
>>316599946
Drop out tournaments aren't there to rate anything besides the 1st place. Everything else is based on luck because of the position.
The communities 2nd favorite might face off against the community's favorite. It would lose in the first round despite being the 2nd favorite.
If you actually want to know the ranking, you make a ranking voting or face every game against every other and than combine all the results.
>>316606885
Not that anon, but I've lived long enough to realize that babby's first Zelda usually ends up being their favorite, regardless of it's flaws.
FYI, I played TP when I was 16, WW when I was 12, MM at 10, OoT at 8 and ALtTP at 7 and each one felt more disappointing than the last, kiddie-brained nostalgia aside. The only exceptions to the rules were OoT and MM. OoT because it was the first 3D Zelda game and MM because I couldn't truly appreciate what it was trying to go for until I replayed it when I was older.
WW is good but it ain't great; the art style, replayability, exploration and the story made up for its piss-easy difficulty and horrible dungeons.
>>316608082
>Basically, LoZ is the worst 2D Zelda
I fail to see how it's not better than the DS Zeldas. Also, I'd say Zelda 1 still has the best sense of exploration in the series to date, and is one of the very few open world-like designs I can sincerely stomach.
>>316608157
>replayability
Lolno, I wouldn't sail or go triforce hunting ever again in my life.
>exploration
Almost nonexistent.
Story was cool, too bad it was boggled down by everything else.
>>316599946
>Link's Awakening beating OOT
What the fuck
>>316600310
11 hours in paint.
>>316608273
>Zelda
>Better than PH or ST
Wow
Just, wow.
>>316608350
Not him, but charting the Great Sea is easily the most compelling activity in WW. I'll shit on the main quest all day long, but charting the sea was great.
>>316601413
>It's like you're a bunch of Pharisees judging people because they lifted a pot off the ground too high on the sabbath.
>>316604450
>You faggot fanboys want to defend your favourite game because it was your first true Zelda or whatever the fuck, but you're just embarrassing yourselves.
>implying you aren't pulling the same shit.
WW marked the slow decline of the series anyway. MM was the last truly great and Zelda, WW was the last good Zelda and TP was the last passable Zelda.
Everything after that has been nothing but disappointing, soul-crushing, degrading shit.
>>316608443
That doesn't answer my question. And for the record, ST is abysmal at everything that isn't dungeons or Ghost Zelda. Dungeons are fucking great, but interacting with the overworld inbetween them makes me want to kill myself.
>>316608407
Link's Awakening is one of those things that I am thoroughly convinced has a fanbase fueled 90% by pure nostalgia, because I first played it in 2005, and it was "okay." I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would consider it their favorite overall, though. It's about as middle of the road as you can get with Zelda.
>>316604450
>implying I didn't play Zelda games as they came out
>implyingSSisn't the best game
>>316608538
>MM was the last truly great and Zelda
Oracles.
>WW was the last good Zelda
I agree that it marked the beginning of a decline but I found TP to be much better.
>and TP was the last passable Zelda
ALBW.
>>316608795
>Oracles
My bad then, I was talking about the console Zeldas, not the handheld ones.
>ALBW
Once again, handheld. But I still found it to be overrated and underwhelming.
>>316606559
Nah, it worked because Nintendo fucked over GC owners announcing TP will come first to Wii
>>316607605
>implying Zelda will release in 2016
kek
>>316608936
forgot
>I agree that it marked the beginning of a decline but I found TP to be much better.
It was a huge step-up in dungeons, bosses and their difficulty but fell flat on its face nearly everywhere else.
>>316608936
ALBW is a bit overrated but it's also the fairest shot at a universally well-designed Zelda since the early 2000's. Most Zeldas since then started favoring one design aspect and neglecting others, but ALBW felt like a return to ALttP/OoT form in a way while attempting to do its own thingpretending Ancient Stone Tablets doesn't existwith the rental system. Hurt the difficulty curve but otherwise it's probably the best designed Zelda in years.
>>316606017
A link to the past was my first zelda but TP is the best
If Zelda U has dungeon design as good as TP and a less empty overworld (not gonna happen though), then it at least worth a rental.
>>316608082
it easily has the best dungeons and combat, and it is still the only Zelda game with any amount of fun difficulty.
easily better than both the gameboy games and arguably better than link to the past. i wont bother saying better than links awakening because even though its average as fuck with the most annoying and time consuming interruptions all the millennials cling to it. but saying loz is bad even if only as a zelda game is wrong. im not nostalgic to it, in fact i played it only very recently. it is very good
>>316609202
>ALBW is a bit overrated but it's also the fairest shot at a universally well-designed Zelda since the early 2000's. Most Zeldas since then started favoring one design aspect and neglecting others,
That's probably due to the fact that top-down handheld portable games are much easier to develop than large-scaled, open-world console ones.
>>316609336
>it easily has the best dungeons and combat
I'd say that's TP, arguably Zelda II on the combat.
>and it is still the only Zelda game with any amount of fun difficulty
Zelda II, maybe the Oracles. Maybe.
>>316609336
Is this a bizzaro post?
>>316609202
>>316609413
The difficulty is restored somewhat by Hero Mode making enemies NES-tier.
>>316609336
>best dungeons
>rooms are "kill everything" or "push this block for secret"
lol
>>316609816
Simple as the dungeons are, Zelda 1 does have one of the best dungeon themes though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0iJ9YpasIM
>>316609485
ive never played twilight princess, but zelda 2 isnt really comparable to zelda because of its perspective. combat is completely different. i also didn't like the rpg elements such as leveling and felt like 'lives' had no relevance in it and shouldn't have been included. it isn't a hard rpg by any definition, rpgs cannot be hard.
>>316609498
have you ever actually played it? it is fucking fantastic. seriously, it doesn't get enough credit.
>>316609816
that is exactly what i like in a zelda game. what do you like about zelda? if you play zelda for the puzzles you are little no better than ios gamers
>>316610185
Then go play Hyrule Warriors if all you care about is killing shit
>>316610185
>but zelda 2 isnt really comparable to zelda because of its perspective.
That is wholly aside the point. You said it had the best combat. I listed a game in the series that I felt had better combat. Whether or not they're similar enough is irrelevant. I think Zelda II has fantastic 2D action RPG gameplay, and I don't understand how you can say it can't be hard when shit wrecks you in II even if your stats are maxed out. Like, did we even play the same game here or did you stop after 20 minutes because it wasn't like Zelda 1?
>>316610185
Of course I played it and I respect it for what it's done but its sequels (apart from 2) expended on everything it did and made it even better. You can't sit there and tell me the exploration in ALttP is worse than LoZ, cause that's obvious bullshit.
okay /v/, predict the plot and story elements:
>timeline placement is hundreds of years after SS
>this Link is raised by sheikah or gerudo, explaining his nomadic look and combat abilities
>that big-ass sword once belonged to a mentor, friend or father figure that Link knows
>the title will most definitely be named after that sheikah book on his hip
>the eye on the shiekah book has a timeshift stone; one of the main gampelay gimmicks will be about timeshift stone manipulation, and using certain stones to do different things with time manipulation
>big story plot point will deal with the creation of the ocarina of time, since its confirmed to be made out of timeshift stones
>chances of this game explaining Ganondorf's origin story are very high; how he become corrupted by Demise's curse; SS Groose being a prerequisite for this setup
>getting a weird feeling that this game will be unusually dark despite the celshaded look, maybe the darkest game since MM or surpassing, and will deal with Link trying to unite a shattered Hyrule where its races and tribes are warring with each other for political control
>will be the game that bridges SS and OoT together, lots of plot connections from both games, like seeing a younger Koume&Kotake, or maybe meeting the sheikah traitor who created the lens of truth; learning more about Hyrule's hidden past of bloodshed and greed, meeting the twili before they were thrown into the twilight realm, the foundations of the Royal Family, the sheikah themselves; etc
>>316610438
is that a genuine recommendation? do you think i would actually enjoy it? i might check it out.
>>316610636
Hyrule Warriors is Dynasty Warriors: Zelda edition.
If you like these types of games, it's a win for you.
>>316610636
Hyrule Warriors is Dynasty Warriors: Zelda edition. If you just want to kill things, play it.
>>316610575
that is exactly my point, because they play NOTHING alike so how can you say one has better combat than another?
>all projectiles blocked by shield
>most enemies all avoidable
>all enemies pushovers
yeah, totally fucking difficult
>>316610742
>>316610756
"Hyrule Warriors is Dynasty Warriors: Zelda edition" mind.
>>316610742
>>316610756
Are you a Wizro?
>>316610781
Hmm, you know I've seen a lot of diverse arguments on Zelda over the years but I have NEVER seen someone claim that Zelda II is easy, or even easier than Zelda 1. It is almost universally regarded as the hardest Zelda game. I guess there's all kinds in the world, though.
>>316611068
Nevermind what he described is a 3D Zelda game, not Zelda 2.
>>316611068
well most people have never played zelda 2 and dont plan to because it isn't like zelda but i actually really enjoy it
>Zelda U will be the best Zelda since Wind Waker.
Honestly I hope Zelda U is NOTHING like Wind Waker. Wind Waker's world design was repetitive tedious filler and the dungeon content was lackluster. Zelda U needs to have actual things in it that are worth exploring and discovering, open worlds that are 99% copypaste are shit.
>oh look another platform with some enemies
>oh look another submarine
>oh look another reef
>oh look another Big Octorok
>oh look another "go through every room and defeat the enemies to unlock the room with the chest" area
>oh look another treasure chart
100%ing Wind Waker is boring and ultimately pointless (except to get a full heart meter so you can make the game even easier), that's not how you should design an open world.
Luckily Zelda U seems to be taking its time and hopefully won't be a rushed mess that has to resort to meaningless filler in order to make its world seem "vast".
i dont really understand the hate for TP's rehash,
my favorite part of the game was going around and seeing all the old places from my childhood game OOT.
If i remember correctly, at the time WW came out, SO MANY PEOPLE WERE PISSED off about the cell shading and the cartooney bullshit,
then once you played it for a few hours all that melted away, and you were like " oh i see what the developers were getting at "
But i still remember when the fans were pissed of because they wanted a darker more serious toned game.
SO, they came out with Twilight Princess, and it made alot of people a happy.
Then this Skyward Sword pile of shit came out, i still own it, because i am a faithful fan, but once i saw that you had this little area of sky to fly around in.......
it was like WW with air, faggy little scattered islands, and the enemies were just plain fucking annoying.
Not to mention the new Anime angle bullshit they tried to pull with Zelda and Link,
>shy link who has no idea zelda likes him
>teen zelda: s-s-sempai Link will you t-take my magical washcloth
im not saying stop hating, just put hate where hate is deserved.
Fuck Skyward Sword.
we should be glad the Zelda games of OUR youth had minor problems, and not being a full out bloody abortion like SS.
*takes breathe*
>>316597104
Wind Waker is the weakest 3D Zelda. Still a good game though.
>>316611368
wwhd added a bunch of stuff
tphd looks to be just the same exact game but with a higher resolution and brighter colors
>>316610615
This would be amazing, but kids these days are to stupid for such politics and a story that you have to actually pay attention to.
>>316605253
TP's overworld was just three OoT maps and then some linear corridors leading to a few towns. The entirety of the ice zone was just a minigame that leads to the dungeon. Death mountain is literally a straight line, and the desert is full of fuck all until the end, where it becomes linear. Then lake Hylia is just there, it doesn't really connect to anything, except through a single river path, and that just shits you out into Hyrule field.
Bomb arrows were cool, but the double claw shot and ball&chain are exactly what he was talking about; they were useful in the dungeons you got them in, then left in your inventory to rot for the rest of the game. And WW had the deku leaf and grapple hook, which both added new gameplay to the series and were utilized throughout the entire game. They never got tucked away to never be used again.
Swordplay was the best in the series, but it was not much of an improvement from WW. Since all of the advanced combat moves were optional, there were never any enemies that required you to use them. Only the finishing blow, which you had to get, was used in this way. It would have been better if they were more integrated, but it fell on wasted potential.
>>316611469
Agreed.
>>316611616
wait wait wait...Twilight Princess HD??
when did this happen?
>>316611798
Officially confirmed two days ago, but everyone's been talking about it for a couple months now since it got leaked. Been living under a rock m8?
>>316611892
fuuuuck...its going to be released for the WIIU no doubt ?
>>316611368
WW and TP are only slightly less flawed than SS, and that's because they don't wear their flaws out on their sleeve as much. They're also much safer games - for better or worse, SS actually tried something a little different with the formula, and I can't be too harsh on it for at least having a modicum of the experimental spirit older Zeldas used to have.
>>316611798
Announced in the recent Nintendo Direct.
>>316611987
PS4 man
>>316610615
>chances of this game explaining Ganondorf's origin story are very high; how he become corrupted by Demise's curse
Yes, this is something I'm hoping for as well. In my mind the game starts in a one-off desert area, with this Link being an orphaned Hylian raised by the Gerudo and being sent to Hyrule as an ambassador.
Another thing I have in mind is how they would hammer home the open-world aspect, with someone telling Link to gather x amount of plot coupons, and then instead of telling him where they are they just admit they have no idea and tell you to go look for them yourself.
>>316611616
Pretty sure if they're allotting resources to add amiibo support they'll also add a few more things like WWHD.
While we're on that, what are amiibos going to be used for in Zelda U and TPHD?
>>316604372
>25 years old
>>316612376
Don't know and unless they take the faggot route and gate off legitimate content like challenge rooms or extra dungeons behind a figurine then I don't care.
>>316608419
and to no avail
>>316612614
You could be born in the late 80's and still qualify as a millennial. I think that's what he's getting at. Pretty much everyone in their 20's on /v/, myself included, is a millennial.
