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If Monster Hunter has the best and most interesting PvE combat, how come there still is no big action adventure or RPG with overworlds and a story that has it? Instead we get a Monster Hunter story RPG that has fucking turn-based combat.
>>316577831
It's called Dragons Dogma, exclusive to PC in 2016.
>>316577883
>>316577918
I played that and while it is inspired by Monster Hunter, has the Monster Hunter Great Sword charge attack or Bow Arc Shots, it still plays like casual shit. Hitboxes/collision detection are a joke.
>>316577831
Monster Hunter is designed for the autistic fanbase that just likes to repeat the samey quests over and over.
We can't have an actually good game because Capcom.
>>316578694
Why is it considered normal racing the same race in racing games all the time, playing the same level in platformers until you have perfected it, fighting the same bosses in DMC and Bayonetta to S rank them or playing against 12 year old retards on the internet on the same map for 5000 hours but it's somehow weird or autistic when you fight the same monster in Monster Hunter which is challenging and fun and worth getting perfect at?
>>316578835
All of that is considered pretty autistic. There's an exception if it's something that doesn't consume a lot of time, for example you could have three to five games in ten minutes with certain racing games.
Normally people don't play games for more than 50 hours, tops.
>>316578835
all those things are also autistic.
>>316578960
>All of that is considered pretty autistic.
Well, then you're wrong here. Back to NeoGAF.
>>316578960
Normally people don't play games.
Playing video games is an autistic hobby, after all.
>>316577831
Toukiden has a move that's pretty much literally the same
>>316578985
No, fighting a good enough AI with 20 different moves and modes that affect moves is just fun if it's done right.
>>316578998
>wrong
Go ask random passerbys if it's normal to spend 500 hours in a game because it has big, slow swords in it if you don't believe me.
I didn't invent how people think.
>>316578835
The difference is that racing games don't force you to repeat the same challenge over and over is you got it right the first time, and Bayonetta and DMC are the same. In MH you are forced to repeat the same task hundreds of time for too many hours until you can advance in the game.
>>316579089
And if you share their views, you're wrong here. That's all I'm saying. Go clubbing or already queue for the next iPhone or FIFA if youw ant to be like them.
>>316579101
I don't understand at all the idea of pairing the forced grind with already slow gameplay.
The gameplay in the series looks all right but I can never get in because it so damn slow paced for no real reason. I really don't understand why design it like that because it undermines the challenge of gameplay, too.
>>316579195
You're the one who asked what's normal.
>>316578730
>draw attack
>>316579209
the game is slow when your bad at it. One you get a feel for the game play and know how to defeat most wyverns, the game goes by much faster. Took me almost a week to clear low rank caravan when i played MHFU, but only 2 days when i played MH4U.
I always hear about how grindy and time consuming these games are, but how many hours are we talking?
I've put in a few thousand hours into the Souls series which is fairly similar from what I've heard, how does MH compare to those games?
>>316579209
Only the starts/first five hours can be somewhat corny. But they're also comfy as fuck and the "story" interesting enough. After 5-10 hours you get to fight basically everything in the game and can fight whatever you want to fight or build whatever you want to build.
And 10 hours are nothing compared to the 3000 hours you can easily sink into a Monster Hunter.
Don't really understand this "grinding" meme.
But yeah, this thread is about putting Monster Hunter's combat into an open world or action adventure game without what you probably dislike about Monster Hunter.
>>316579209
Japanese love that playstyle. They feel like they have to WORK (instead of play) to sense any kind of achievement, so they put grinding in any game they make. It's a cultural thing. The same happens with korean and chinese gamers.
>>316579402
I should say it looks somewhat similar mechanically, atleast if you were using Ultra sized weapons in Souls.
>>316579402
500+ to see most of the stuff. Can be shorter if your good.
>>316579402
You just play them until you're bored. You'll never have everything in the game.
It's all about fighting dynamic, awesome looking monsters. If you don't enjoy doing this over and over again, don't buy it.
Well, Monster Hunter also has by very, very far the best and most engaging crafting system there ever was in a game, not even comparable with other games.
>>316579435
>And 10 hours are nothing compared to the 3000 hours you can easily sink into a Monster Hunter.
That's not a good thing. You should be able to have those games in a much lower time frame. The amount of padding for those extended playhours just means more neck and hand cramps.
>>316579512
After 500 hours you're still an absolute pleb who could probably never even kill an average G Rank monster solo, though. This is a good motivation to keep playing.
I'm at like 6000 hours and still get constantly hit fighting most monsters.
>>316579402
average MH player has +400Hours at least anon
>>316579512
After 500 hours you're still an absolute pleb who could probably never even kill an average G Rank monster solo, though. This is a good motivation to keep playing. Also, even more important, you want to master most weapon classes. I know many people that play the games for 1000 hours but barely mastered more than three weapon classes. Every weapon plays almost like a different game.
I'm at like 6000 hours and still get constantly hit fighting most monsters.
>>316579435
>5-10 hours you get to fight basically everything in the game.
There are new monsters being introduced even on G-Rank. and to reach G-rank I'd say you'd need something like 200 hours if you take your time experimenting with new weapons.
>no one on /v/ can beat this guy solo
>>316579595
It's a good thing, makes Monster Hunter as fucking fair as it is. Almost no cheap trial and error at all. For exmaple, befoe getting to fight a Deviljho, you get to fight a different brute wyvern (Barroth) which is very similar in many ways but a lot weaker and slower, perfectly prepares you.
>>316579598
>After 500 hours you're still an absolute pleb who could probably never even kill an average G Rank monster solo
If you suck.
>>316579402
Monster Hunter is entirely boss fights that can be anywhere from 10-30 minutes on average solo.
It has a lot of replayability. There can be grinding for armor and weapon upgrades but its genuinely enjoyable.
I think I had like 800+ hours in FU and I put probably 60 or 70 in Tri and Portable 3rd and then 350 in 3Ultimate.
So yeah, theres lots of content there.
>>316579435
>But yeah, this thread is about putting Monster Hunter's combat into an open world or action adventure game without what you probably dislike about Monster Hunter.
I really wish Capcom had enough business sense to do this.
It'd also generate tons of interest in the mainline games. If they had stuff like levels with variety more people would get used to the combat. Right now the game series just isn't pulling in new players, it's just old fans looking forwards to next sequel.
>>316579774
I know I can.
Evade Lancing mate, that shit is magical.
>>316579796
>Monster Hunter is entirely boss fights that can be anywhere from 10-30 minutes on average solo.
Is that a good thing? I remember how this exact thing ruined MGS PW.
>tfw no Gods Eater translation
>>316579261
More curazy.
>>316579050
>Toukiden
wew
>>316577831
it's not really good combat. could be improved immensely
>>316579595
Most of that time comes from fighting stuff simply for fun and you enjoy sinking hours into the game. A lot of the quests do absolutely nothing for you, but you do them anyway because why the fuck not?
>All these niggas spoiling MHX for themselves
Who /going in blind/ here? Don't know what styles are, don't know what monsters are in, it will just be me and fear.
>>316579512
>>316579525
>>316579649
That's cool that the PVE is so challenging atleast. I'm not sure if I could enjoy fighting AI opponents for that long but I'm guessing they have more tools than most Souls Bosses.
The skill ceiling sounds high.
>>316580047
do you read moon runes or literally blind?
>>316580038
It's almost perfect at this point and a retard like you would anything but improve it if you'd get your hands on it. Don't even want to hear your complaints.
>inb4 no lock on
>when fighting huge monsters with ~8 different hitzones
>>316578730
>that camerawork
Shitposting about MUH HOURS aside
Its starting to look like we can actually "fight" with monsters now given the added mobility, so instead of slapping or bonking it on the nose we can now dodge, parry, riposte andCROSS COUNTERmonsters.
I am hype and you "monster hunter is too slow and grindy" shitters can either git gud or git gone
its this one for a console or a shit handheld?
>>316580116
I learned moon for Dos back in the day.
>>316580070
Its very fun anon.
LR is basically a big tutorial and you can get fun online later.
For me is better than souls because even after 300 attemps on the same monster every battle i learn something new and is a really fun battle so far.
Think about Kalameet/Artorias tier battles.
>>316580235
So how do the I-frames work? You have them both for dodges and backsteps like in Dark Souls?
>>316580235
>you must beat this quest otherwise you'll be forever trapped inside a room
>>316579512
The fuck
100 hours tops to 'see' all the content. Anything higher is just you wadting time.
>>316580321
Only specific weapons have hops/steps (Lance for example as seen in the webm). Otherwise you have like 7 iframes for rolls. You can get more iframes with specific armor skills which are usually for plebs.
>monster hunter
>best combat
Even if that's true that's not a good thing. Game is specifically designed to be slow as fuck, and your attacks hardly ever have any affect on the opponent. Also interesting shit like footsies doesn't exist partly because everything has a shitton of poise, and partly because your movement potential is shit tier in comparison to pretty much any monster. I'll admit that the games are fucking fun when you actually get to fighting monsters, but I can't play them because I can't stand all of the boring shit you have to do in between fighting monsters just to have items to use in future hunts and to acquire ores for better weapons.
>>316580397
Or enjoying a game and actually trying to get good at it. And it's not even possible to see everything in 100 hours unless you let other players with the best G Rank equipment carry you through everything.
>>316580341
Rajang is the only Monster in all of Monster Hunter that I'm legitimately afraid of fighting.
>>316579649
This. I have about 600 hours per game.
>>316580487
>and your attacks hardly ever have any affect on the opponent
Not if you're fighting them properly. If the monster's weak point is the head and all you do is hit its legs, then you won't have much effect and the fight will take 30 minutes. But if all you hit is the head then you'll constantly affect them with stuns, staggers and interrupts and will finish the fight in 3 minutes. Literally. I'm not even kidding. This is the average Greatsword speedrun in a nutshell.
>Also interesting shit like footsies doesn't exist partly because everything has a shitton of poise, and partly because your movement potential is shit tier in comparison to pretty much any monster
If by footsies you mean pixel-perfect spacing and punishing whiffed attacks from monsters, then that is definitely possible in Monster Hunter, and is something you should do if you want your hunts to be over quickly.
>>316580341
No.
No no no no no.
>want to get hyped for Monster Hunter
Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdB_wfIbrfw Every hit feels like an orgasm.
>>316580532
Trust me, after several hours of hot monkey dick, the true monster isYian Garuga.
Why is the enemy design so perfect?
>>316581000
yeah, fuck that guy
>>316580837
>pixel-perfect spacing and punishing whiffed attacks
Is that actually possible, or even ideal? Seems to me like it makes more sense to abuse I frames and then punish than to try and make them just whiff.
>>316580980
>>316580560
>600 hours
3000 more and you will be able to do this.
>>316578962
I love Gore so much. I hope he sticks around for MHX.
>>316581000
>Trust me, after several hours of hot monkey dick, the true monster is Yian Garuga.
1 eared garuga fucks your shit up, but Garuga is just a lesser Rathian.
Yian Kutku into Garuga into Rathian/Rathalos
It was kind of pathetic that Capcom got away with it. Giving 3 monsters the same moveset. Hell, a lot of monsters share a shitload of the "core" attacks of the Kutku.
>>316580980
>not rolling in and fucking up his legs
?
What weapon will you main in MHX and what style?
I'm thinking of maining the Sword and Shield and will use the Bushido Style.
I like the idea of adding coatings to SnS attacks. The new animations are just beautiful and so fluid.
I'm also doing the Bushido Style because I like the idea of dancing around opponents and countering them and punishing their missed attacks.
>>316581242
Forgot webm.
>>316581252He's in MHX, thankfully Apex shit isn't.
>>316579435
>But yeah, this thread is about putting Monster Hunter's combat into an open world or action adventure game without what you probably dislike about Monster Hunter.
Got you covered.
>>316581314
>thankfully Apex shit isn't.
The worst thing that ever happened to Monster Hunter.
I'm also lucky normal Gore is in and not Shagaru with random mines even turbo autists like >>316579134 get hit by.
>>316580718
Sometimes it baffles me how fucking smart these creatures are programmed, this one time I dropped back into arena with that special brachydios, I thought it was the green one or something.
and what he does is, when I was still loading that fucking thing targeted me and the moment I dropped down it killed me, there was literally nothing I could do and this was with a group of 4 people.
>>316581263
I'm talking about the fact that he can run into you from a standing position and take off 60% of your health, not to mention the 360 no scope beak slams.
>>316581308
LBG HBG Bow Every MH all MH.
GS and Hammer every once in a while to feel manly
>>316580235
Eh. I-frames are still mid-tier gameplay. Positioning is the true master's game, it's actually possible to walk between Rajang's punches with a drawn greatsword.
>>316581312
>literally Japan in one webm
>>316579195
>being this assblasted
>we finally get a fucking story-focused Monster Hunter RPG
>it drops the thing that makes Monster Hunter what it is and as great at it is; the combat
>gives us retarded SNES turn-based combat instead
What the fuck. Just what the fuck?
>>316581252
Gore's back. Check out 0:47 in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O6OSKzNfms
>>316581153
>Is that actually possible, or even ideal?
It is possible. And ideal. And it's actually EASIER to do than abusing i-frames, since the default character without any Evasion +1/2/3 armor skills has very few i-frames in their dodge rolls. You space yourself just outside of the reach of the enemy's attack, and you punish.
The kind of i-frame dodges you see in shit like >>316580235 or >>316578289 is NOT easy to do.
It is much easier and less risky to figure out your opponent's patterns and position yourself right outside of their reach to punish their attacks or openings.
>>316581560
There was a puzzle game too, and a pachinko. Basically the same thing.
>>316579261
Why is Monhan the only series with fun and complex bow combat?
Don't even make me talk about Souls bows where you can't even look up or down properly, invisible walls everywhere and enemies not reacting when far away.
>>316577831
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsQeIKX6XB8
my favorite MH video
>>316577831
Actually, MH has bar none the worst combat in a videogame. It's extremely clunky and you end up fighting cameras and controls instead of monsters exclusively.
Playable Monster Hunter MMO in NA region when?
I've played Frontier G on the Taipei server - the level cap isn't that staggering but it's boring playing a game like that utterly and totally alone because you don't speak mandarin.
>>316581776
>Why is Monhan the only series with fun and complex bow combat?
Dragon Dogma's bow is not as complex as MH but it is fun.
I hope Ceanataur Bow is back in X. Dat pierce.
>10 more days until Bloodborne DLC comes out
>14 more days until MHX comes out
FUCK.
I want to play both at the same time but I only have about 2 hours a day to play after getting home from work.
>>316581989
>spot the video game journalist
>>316582219
>Bloodborne
>>316581989
confirmed for literally never having played the game, or having played it for an hour and been just terrible
>inb4 "i have x hours logged"
>>316581776
What's so complex about the bow? Never used it.
>>316581372
Shagaru is a god tier fight on his own. Fuck whoever came up with those mines.
>>316582319
>there are people who would actually give expand dong any more than that
Yeah, vidya is pretty much kill.
>>316582530
I wouldn't say there's input complexity but more to do with perfect positioning and constant barrage of hitting the monsters weak point, because if you're not you'll get a sub par time
>>316582376
Bloodborne is one of the best games of the year alongside MH4U. I can't see how anyone can play BB and not say that it is at least in the top 10 best of 2015.
I'm an idort who has a Gateway 3DS, a PS4, a 360, a Vita and a PC, so I actually have the luxury of enjoying games across many platforms (although I don't have the time to play them all).
>>316581989
i thought after dark souls people learned there is more to action games than just mash buttons and have an emergency roll cancel
>>316582219
>>316582741
>mfw i was just like you because of work
>mfw i was neet when mh4u released, played 2 months non stop, got job and now i got fired just 2 weeks before MHX release
feels good man
>>316582530
Haven't used it since MHFU but it requires everything - Timing, positioning, aiming and of course judgement, all of which change when you switch bow type.
well there's Monster Hunter Online, but it's japan only
>>316582741
I just got really really really tired of the dark souls formula. It has absolutely no depth and relies entirely on new obstacles to stay fresh, while I could easily spend weeks analyzing how to make the best use out of a weapon class in MH.
>>316583053
It's China only, actually.
>>316582975
>Haven't used it since MHFU
They added a power shot that is amazing. X is going to make it even better
>>316582793
>there is more to action games than just mash buttons and have an emergency roll cancel
When has this ever been the case?
Amazing third-person action games with deep combat systems have been around since 2001 (and probably even before that, but my memory can't remember any specific examples before 2001). That was the year that Devil May Cry (PS2) and Severance: Blade of Darkness (PC) came out.
Since that time, there have been plenty of games where you have to learn your movesets, learn the enemy movesets and overcome the challenges that the environment provides by strategic and tactical action gameplay.
Monster Hunter 1 came out in 2004. Ninja Gaiden came out the same year. God Hand arrived in 2006. And tons of other games with deep, tactical and amazing third-person action combat have predated Dark Souls.
Demon's/Dark Souls didn't invent the idea of action games that punish button mashing and mindless gameplay. That's what you seem to be suggesting. That's just historically illiterate.
>>316583132
I tried it a quickie in 4U but it seems to just lock you in place long enough to take damage. How are you meant to use it?
>>316583053
>>316583086
There's two servers. Japan and Taipei.
Japan autobans you for using English.
Taipei requires you to change your computer's timezone to Taipei's. The entirety of the game is in mandarin but some dudes broke the barrier.
http://fist.moe/
If you're feeling adventurous and want like ~20 hours of an MMO, here you go. Ignore anything related to joining the guild, they're all keks.
>>316583226
no, just using an example of a popular game so even normies can understand, i have played most games you listed.
>>316583296
After a big monster whiff usually.
>>316581621
Stiggy is piss-easy to roll through, are you mad?
>>316583384
Well, sorry if I came off as a dick. I just get irritated when people think that good action games never existed before Demon's Souls/Dark Souls came out.
>>316583296
This is how you're meant to use them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcEUTvJX_V8
I stopped right after getting into G-rank in 4U, do a lot of people still play it?
>>316583301
>Frontier
http://mho.qq.com/
https://youtu.be/P9ZovkGlli0
>>316579774
Deviljho is like a Diablos and Barroth, just extremely fucking angry
>>316583468
Just apologizing makes you a better person than most on here.
>>316583661
But is this playable if I'm not extremely deep in the nip part of the world or am I going to get a range of people banned by trying to use a VPN to play like last time?
>>316583913
I don't think it's IP-blocked. Though there STILL hasn't been an OBT, just a fuckton of CBTs. Last no-wipe pre-OBT CBT starts in 2 weeks and the next one will be OBT, no idea when.
>This far into a MH thread and no rooms up
68-2471-5785-5954
Pass: 7243
>>316584119
>translate page to english
>Literally nothing changes
Will note. This is the one on CryEngine, right? I've heard of it before, I think. Looked neat but people complained about the gameplay changing a little. Appreciate the link, will look for the OBT.
>>316584130
I'll join after showering if you're still at it
>>316582548
Wow, you have no clue about video games.
>>316584330
>This is the one on CryEngine, right?
Yep. https://youtu.be/Ct7LKybrYpY
>>316584627
Wow, you haveshit taste.
So do you guys all play these games on a WiiU or portable? Is there a way to play these on PC? What about the upcoming release?
Also can you these online in North America?
>>316585052
Emulate FU
If you have a Wii U, get MH3U
If you have a 3DS, get MH3U or MH4U
>>316585052
3ds
Portable is the best way to play imo
>>316584130
2/4, get in here
>>316585052
Emulate Portable 3rd
>>316585052
>So do you guys all play these games on a WiiU or portable?
MH 4 Ultimate, the current MH title, is only available on 3DS, so we all play it on the 3DS.
MH 3 Ultimate, the previous one, is available on Wii U and 3DS. Most people play it on the Wii U.
Some people still play the PSP versions of older MH games like MH Freedom Unite and MH Portable 3rd.
>Is there a way to play these on PC?
Yes. Emulate MH Freedom Unite or MH Portable 3rd on PPSSPP.
>What about the upcoming release?
MHX is 3DS exclusive.
>Also can you these online in North America?
You can play online if you emulate or if you play MH4U on the 3DS or MH3U on the Wii U.
>>316585307
>P3rd
It's better to emulate Tri or FU.
>>316585382
If you're new to the franchise and don't want to spend money, then emulating MHP3 is the best option.
It's short, sweet and is a good intro to the series. He can be done with the game all the way to beating Alatreon within less than 200 hours.
It's much more polished and refined than MHFU and has much more variety than MH Tri.
>>316581381
>It hits you even if you're behind his legs
bulllllllsssshhhiiiiitttttt I thought we already went over FU a long time ago
>forced grinding in MH
Are you guys retarded
The only thing you really need to upgrade is your weapon
As for "grinding to progress the story", you only need to clear each key quest once. You can easily get to G Rank in a day or two in MH4U, if you need to grind before G Rank you either want a set for cosmetics or you're bad at the game.
>>316581373
4U makes them even bigger assholes
The AI acknowledges and takes advantage of wall scraping, and shit like rathalos will fuck you up if you ever get caught in a single wind gust of his neutral stance.
They even fucking know when you're poisoned/on fire and low on life, they play the stalling game by circling you until YOU commit to something, like a roll or seathing to get you then.
It's fucking insace
>>316586003
I myself grind me one set of armor for LR and one for HR, then another one on GR, I like the safety net from having appropriate defense for the level I'm playing on
>>316578156
I know it's MH but with one? Is it MH Cross?
I want my little buddies back.
>>316587597
Yesi don't like it
>>316578156
What is this? Monster Hunter x Dynasty Warriors?
>>316581372
Only HR5 here. What's Apex and what do I have to fear?
New to lancing, what skills should I have other than guard boost, guard +2 and sharpness +1? Evade dist up?
>>316587704
>What is this? Toukiden?
No.
SHAKALAKAS>PALICOS
COME AT ME FAGS
>>316587803
You know how you can overcome the frenzy virus and it gives you a small attack boost? Apex monsters are monsters who did that. They can infect you and hurt like a son of a bitch. And unless you use a wystone you can't even attack them without weapons bouncing.
>>316586003
Armor. Armor you pice of shit. Armor is fucking important.
>Ruin the fuck out of Steve, Diablos and Rajang in less than 10 minutes
>>316587803
Imagine monsters perma pissed off and borrowing moves from their alternates. Imagine said perma pissed monsters also having the ability to get pissed off even more,now imagine your weapons bouncing off 90% of its body unless you have a specific item that you can only get through specific single player and multiplayer quests.
>>316587968
Still, MH isn't as grindy as many claim. Why don't you list me some rare items you've been struggling to get?
>>316587916
It's true.
>Duramboros hammer
Goddamn, that shit was perfect when it starts out. Who thought taking away the globe shape was a good idea?
>>316587916
>Wanting the masked midgets over cosplay pussy
You crazy.
>>316588041
nothing beats the absolutely ridiculous tribal shakalaka dancing, plus their SFXPAPAAA!
I love the combat so much, but I hate the grinding so much that I can't really enjoy the game.
I really wish there were more ARPGs like this, I'll never understand why its so rare.
>>316586003
>grinding GR using low rank armors
Have anyone ever solo to GR using low rank armors?
>>316588041
>wanting useless fleabags over total bros
You nuts.
>all these hype as fuck MHX webms
>remember that there has been no localization announcement yet
>>316579101
Yet somehow I feel that you're someone that praises Dark Souls for having "INNOVATIVE GAMEPLAY!" even though there really is no risk to playing it.
>B...B...But mah souls!
It's an item you can continually grind over and over. Try getting some of those rare drops in MH for a weapon/armor set you desperately need from a monster that routinely kicks your ass over and over again.
Will they ever feature dynamic skinning and butchering mechanics for all the monsters in any of MH's trillions of sequels? I want to see how to process one of these fuckers, and I want each and every part of their body to have a use, much like the Native Americans used every part of the great buffalo.
>>316578592
IS THAT A FUCKING CHAINSAW
>>316588309
>wanting blabbering niglets over loyal, cute pals
>>316588389
I think things you can cut off will likely still be a scripted affair. Softbody deformations, where you cut or bash would be pretty neat and may be possible.
>>316577831
Dark Souls is the best desu senpai
>>316579195
>>316579195
>You can't have a social life and 1000 hours in a game.
>>316588430
You can dual wield chainsaws senpai.
>>316588430
Chainsaw/pizza cutter swaxe.
Gravios Pallium, one of the rare drops in the game which people commonly complain about
Odds of getting a Gravious Pallium per quest is over 20%
is that so bad, really? You're pretty much guaranteed to end up with some rare drops as you progress through the game, you'll always be able to forge something
>>316588225
Different strokes for different folk then.
Never had the Shakas do anything useful for me other than be bait with the invulnerability masks.
Meanwhile my cats have dozens of tail cuts, saving staggers, and other crazy hits under their belt.I'm also incredibly biased after naked G King Shakalaka hunting in 2nd gen.
I guess it's more or less because I don't see the Shakas as naturally weak, so them going around hunting isn't a big thing.
The Felynes are just cats that walk on two legs. And there they go risking their lives to assist you, which makes it endearing.
>>316588513
AFTER the kill, dude. You've got a big ass carcass in front of you. I want to see EXACTLY how it's turned into usable shit.
Enough of the canned animation of taking out your dagger and stabbing your kill in a random spot a couple times to get a scale or some stupid shit. I understand that this would change the game's economic structure, but I think it would be for the better.
>>316588350
I think it's a pretty safe bet that we'll get it. Both 3U and 4U did pretty good here.
>>316588389
It's gonna be a loooooong fucking time before games get to that point. I don't even think the most ultra hardcore hunting simulators around feature that shit.
>>316588662
Actually digging around in their innards, might change the ratings, so it would likely never happen.
>>316581372
Shagaru is pseudo confirmed, actually.
>>316588608
>Artian X with pizza cutter.
Excellent taste.
>>316581308
GS and HBG because they're the best in every game.
>>316588649
It's been the complete opposite for me. Cha-Cha and Kayamba have been there for me in almost every 3U hunt, everything from knocking fuckers out of the sky to netting me dozens of gems, plates, and shit. Meanwhile the cats constantly dick around, running in circles and giving healing horns when I don't need them or right after I faint. Different experiences, I suppose.
>>316588761
I'm not holding my breath, maybe if they announce MHXU we'll get it.
But after seeing how Monhun did in the west this time, they'll change their mind. Didn't 4U do really well here?
>>316588279
Probably because it actually requires effort. You do realize just how many different weapons you can use and different monsters you can fight in MH right? Also how interesting those enemies actually are in comparison to something like Gods Eater Burst where the only enemy that's really all that pleasant to fight is Hannibal. It has more large monsters than most games have bosses+midbosses, pretty much all of them are liked by the majority of players, only bitching I've seen is about FU plessy, giggy, and a few others. You're damn lucky to even get 5 weapons in the average action game, rarely even 3, and in most action games every weapon basically works exactly the same with slightly different attack speeds and damage values so you basically only have one weapon anyway. Why would the average dev even try to make something with combat as interesting as MH when they can make some shitty cinematic shooter like Biocock Infinite and get fucking paid?
>>316589195
MH4 was mostly skipped because the game was an utter fucking mess. Crafted weapons were utterly worthless compared to relics, the relic grind was even worse, charm melding was glitchy, weapon balance was the worst the series had ever seen, and the endgame is entirely comprised of Teostra GQs.
>>316589262
Too bad that with MH's terrible balance you typically wind up with only 3-4 usable weapons per game, and those weapons usually only have 1-3 moves you actually ever use.
>>316586003
I love MH to death, but is grindy as fuck nigga.
Performance varies a lot between weapons, most of time you'll have to get yourself multiple weapons, either for weapon progression (even GS has to get multiple weapons since you can't get Cera, Chedah or Fatalis from the get go), elemental weaknesses or shit.
Armor is also a big part of it, and you will often have to go through multiple armors in the game until you reach your desired one.
Charms are also a bitch.
These are all big factoids that affect your hunting time, the biggest grinding point
>>316589721
That's not what I fucking posted.
>>316589368
>only 3-4 usable weapons
Most weapons have been perfectly fine since P3rd, I don't know what you're talking about.
>1-3 moves
Most weapons don't actually have more than 3 attacks. Why are you complaining about most of the attacks in the game being useful? What does it even matter? There are essentially only 2 types of attacks possible with a melee weapon in the first place.
>>316577831
>best PvE combat
>uses the game that is quite literally Press X to awesome
Good one OP, you almost had me
You are a funny guy
>>316589870
>Most weapons have been perfectly fine since P3rd, I don't know what you're talking about.
Then why is every weapon but GS, HBG and IG (DB and LBG for status) considered kick on sight in multiplayer
>>316588649
>Never had the Shakas do anything useful for me other than be bait with the invulnerability masks.
Did you try changing masks and giving the shakalakas orders?
I mean, that's the whole point of the shakalakas, and when you do that you can deal massive damage to a monster (specially good for breaking parts/cutting tails), get a free pitfall trap, and so on, depending on the masks you pick
I can only picture them being useless if you... well, don't use them
>>316589939
>do hunting art
>get slapped by a monster in the middle of it because retard
Yeah, nice "awesome".
>>316589986
It's not my fault if you play with retards anon.
>tried to get the sailor outfit in mh3u
>arena is so fucking boring
Hopefully I'm actually on-time for mhx since I'm always getting these games a few years late
>>316589997
>Pitfall mask + Mock Melynx combo
It should be illegal to be so good.
>>316590108
Just because they want their grinding to be efficient doesn't make them retards.
>>316590538
Look at him. Look at him and laugh.
>>316577883
HAHAHAHA
MY TIME HAS COME AGAIN!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quc7thDYJCI
I love Kecha!
I want you to help me solve this mystery:
Say you want to download a DLC in MH4.
You launch the menu, and it asks you if you want to connect to the internet. A bit weird, but whatever.
Then it checks all of the DLC stuff you have on your SD card, section by section, and you have to confirm all of them. Can't see the point, but you just mash through it, right?
Then you go to download a mission. You can't download all you're missing at once despite the fact that it's all free anyway, you have to go into each section, select one piece at a time and then you pick "download", but that's not even weird.
THEN, AFTER you have downloaded, it asks you if you want to... memorize the data you have downloaded... and it defaults to "no".
Why, just WHY would they do this? I mean... the download is the part that costs them money, right? If you download their files and then delete them right away you basically used their servers for nothing... so why would it be the DEFAULT OPTION? Why would they even ASK IT RIGHT AWAY?
I mean ok, I know that it's like a few megabytes if that, but it's still so completely absurd!
>>316588761
Shiggy is back too, it was confirmed today
could someone tell me if the two Cats in MH4 are actually useful? I asked a guy who makes a lot of YT videos but he didn't answer me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dabpTJooXk
Looks like they changed the way weapons and armors are upgraded.
Now instead of requiring a set quantity of specific materials you need to fill a "level bar" using a certain KIND of material. So if a weapon requires, say, a monster part, you can use a bunch of common materials (like a scale) or a few rare ones (like a mantle).
>>316591529autism
>>316592375
It's complicated, but yes they are useful.
I'm on mobile so I can't write a lengthy response, but trust me they are.
>>316593396
welcome to casual hunter X, next game will include health bars, lock on and evasion+1 as the standard
>>316579134
>Bullshit random explosion as soon as you start your attack
This shit right here is the only thing that stop me from enjoying the 140 Shagarumagalu GQ.
>>316588041
What the fuck, how do you get these costumes? Or are they armour sets?
>>316594228
Well meme'd
>>316593396
neat that is a nice change, as the grinding for the sake of grinding in previous games was pointless
>>316580341
So this is what hell looks like.
>>316578835
Because its actually fun as to where Monster Hunter FORCES you to do it over and over.
You can S rank games like DMC if you dont suck on your first go
You need to grind on MH4U which is why it sucks.
>>316589997
>gigginox starts to leave the zone
>watch shadow intently to see where it goes
>suddenly comes crashing down from the sky, giving a pawpass is ready screen
What
>kayamba changes back from a cannon
The nigger sniped it as it was changing zones. The only thing similar to this is the fucking rath of meow and that shit only fires like 1-3 times and they spend a solid 2 minutes or something doing it. If they weren't invincible during that time it'd be sad to watch since the fire balls don't have anywhere near the same impact the cannon mask(understandably) has.
>>316594831
If the amount of materials is too extreme or if there is no way to downgrade using an item, this is going to be a massive failure
what the new armor system sounds like is the Old Kinsect system
Monster Hunter roguelike when?
>>316580856
>SUP NIGGA
>COME HERE
>VOLVIDON
>BUSTER
>>316577831
Because the gameplay is shit, everything is slow as fuck and you character moves like he has a bunch of rocks in his pants. At least it seems like they're doing something about it on MHX.
>>316594831
no, you always had the option to use a worse weapon that didnt require a harder monster or rare materials, but people just go and farm for the best stuff right away.
i liked Tri system, where you were kind of forced to wait and not skip half the content right away, so since you already had to grind for HR you could aswell farm to upgrade your weapons or do different armors, it needed more monsters and different quest but yeah, i dig the online system.
most people dont understand the game concept, they just start online with full groups, skip content and get the best gear the fastest they can, and the shitters pretend they are good at the game.
>>316595065
all I want is the removal of the sub 10% super magical shard things you need for weapons and armor sets that require you to kill some monster 200 times to get the 3 or so you need because RNG YEAH.. If I have to fight something 200 times to get gud thats one thing, but to do it just to get stupid RNG drops in a singleplayer game, no fuck that
>>316593396
WHY DIDNT THEY DO THIS SOONER
I'm happy that Rathalos is part of the dark side!
>>316595891
Don't forget, this is Capcom we're talking about here.
>>316596258
Of course. Why fix everything when you can just fix some things and then fix the rest in the next game.
>>316577831
>If Monster Hunter has the best and most interesting PvE combat,
>>316590538
I would totally agree with you if they were all like huge as fuck instant kill moves, but those skills are still in the Monster Hunter spirit.
>HUGE AS FUCK windows when you can't do anything
>Some of them are over 8 sec long
>EXTREMELY punishable by monsters if you whiff
It's cool in my book so far.
>>316577831
>tachi finisher
>tachi
>-tachi
>a suffix word for referring to a group
>not the word group, but rather "the group of x" where x is a noun.
I don't get what you're trying to say here.
>>316577883
>mecha moves
>not hype thrusters activated
>>316578289
Apparently that's affected by evasion+ skills and can be done from guarding. This has completely changed how I play the weapon and redeemed that move for me.
>>316578097
How is this curazy? It's just a counter guard, like the Lance has.
>>316594994
>on your first go
No, not really. Even pre-existing knowledge of the moves can't help you too much if you haven't trained the timing into your body through experience.
>>316579101
Incorrect. You only repeat things in order to grind materials for new equipment, and there are many sets that require relatively few hunts of the same monster to build a full set that will carry you through most of the game with enough skill, and weapons like hammer / greatsword are designed with the idea that you won't have to make too many of different ones in mind.
Repeating the same monster once or twice at different levels of difficulty, or as a subspecies, doesn't count, as they typically gain something that makes the challenge notably different.
At no point in the game does Monster Hunter ever, ever force you to do the same thing 'hundreds of times'. Even a dozen would be highly suspect for many things. It is you, the player, who chooses the option to repeat things for further rewards.
>>316581372
>>316594485
As an SA-user, that was a poor move on his part. The weapon has long enough wait windows between moves that on a hunt like Shaggy Maggy, not immediately flowing into a relatively lengthy move is the smart way to play once the mines come into the picture.
I have rarely, if ever, gotten hit by those things, because I don't commit to such moves the moment I can. The mine was building before he went into the doublecut. He wasn't observant.
>>316593396
I kind of like it, but you're jumping the shark way too soon if you think that will remove the grind altogether.
Upgrading your high end weapons will probably ask you to farm a LOT of useless parts.
>everyone gets numorous moves that trip everyone within 100000000 feet of the monster
Alright, so you're telling me I shouldn't play anything but Insect Glaive for the super armor.
Thanks Capcom. Oh, you even gave me a skill that instantly grabs all three buffs. Even better.
>>316593396
Holy shit they finally fixed their stupid crafting system. The autists aren't going to like that shit at all.
>>316597320
It means that someone who has upgraded armor actually fought a monster a lot. No more people who don't have a full set after 50 hunts because they didn't get a gem and shitters who do because they got a gem on their first try because drops have nothing to do with skill.
>>316597518
Yeah because you really think that the same shitter who hacked there set in MH4U won't do it in MHX?
i'm just gonna hack all the items i want anyway. i've spent about 3000 hours all told carrying scrubs through the grind. i don't care anymore. hunt for fun or don't hunt.
>>316597380
Apparently not
even shit like the HBG super nova doesn't cause tripping
Multi-hit attacks are going to be absolutely obnoxious though
>>316577831
Same reason I guess that I don't get to enjoy that combat because the games are doomed to the shittiest hardware in existence.
>>316595608
Anything with an under 5% drop rate typically has multiple methods of acquiring them that, when calculated together, can raise the chance per quest to much more favourable odds.
Take the Rathalos Plate in Low Rank for example.
3% from a tail carve.
2% from any shiny drop.
2% for capture (two rewards)
4% for breaking head.
1% for breaking back.
If you carve the tail, grab at least one shiny, capture, break head and back (mount twice), then you have somewhere between a 12-13% chance for a plate per quest. More if you get two shinies.
[Caravan 5] Uncorner the Market has a 1% chance for any individual slot in the first line to yield a plate.
[Caravan 5] King of the Skies has a 1% chance for any individual slot in both the first and second line to yield a plate.
[Low Rank Event] USJ: High-Fire Act has 3% on both lines, plus 1% per slot for the subquest. It also has two Rathalos, so twice the break chances and twice the shiny and tail chances.
I've been looking for a plate for my Ace armour in G-Rank, and it took me two... three tries of the USJ event quest to get it. And that's just because I'd used other plates I'd gotten from just casually hunting monsters I happened across them earlier in the game of my own volition just to increase my variety of weapon options.
Things might look like they have shit chances, but in reality, most rares aren't actually as rare as they look if you know how to work the hunt and the numbers.
>>316596416
They're not.
I'm sorry anon, but you have to accept it that MH is not itself at this point anymore.
>>316597910
please dont defend the fucking RNG FFS I hate when people do this. If you want to have a rare part in a game like this then make it difficult to acquire skill wise, dont make it RNG there is no excuse absolutely none. Either you should get it after a half dozen hunts reasonbly if its RNG, or it should be skill based to acquire, but sub 10% drop rates on anything are stupid, especially in a singleplayer game. This just artificially lengthens the amount of time needed to acquire content for NO reason.
>>316598308
Give me one reason they are legitimately bad outside of being flashy and being "super moves".
They take time to build up. You have to be aggressive to use them regularly, or devote yourself to a style that gimps your weapon's moveset and mechanics to use them more often. Two of the styles can only use one, and things like the CB's Energy Blade take FUCKING FOREVER to build up. You'll be lucky if you get to use it every four or five minutes unless you're on Striker which, as I seem to recall, limits you to Yellow Shield, which is weaker than Red Shield.
MHX is very, very obviously an experimental entry in the series that is trying a lot of different things. I'm very neutral about how things go from here on out but I don't think it's lost its identity yet.
>>316598308
>actual meaningful post with detailed answers
>NO IT'S NOT IT'S SHIT NOW
Nice.
>>316590538
>He thinks you just press a button to do all that stuff.
>>316598802
>it's shit
Please don't put words into my mouth.
>>316598781
>outside of being flashy and being "super moves"
So outside of the very reasons they're a departure from what MH was? I don't have a thing.
I'm just saying that MH is changing wildly, if it's for the better or for the worse it remains to be seen but it's just not the same MH many people fell in love before anymore.
>>316598985
>they're a departure from what MH was?
GS charge, longsword, switchaxe and charge blade say hello.
http://youtu.be/iaVq5Pp3yMI
>>316599232
>switchaxe and charge blade
Yeah I was never ok with those too much.
>GS charge
Nothing wrong with that
>longsword
It's fine too, the anime slash added in Tri was a bit silly but the added mobility via fade slash was great, still moved over to SA either way.
>>316597910
Just wanted to let you know that 5 separate chances that add up to 12% is not the same as one 12% chance
>>316598458
I'm not defending RNG as a mechanic, but rather suggesting that even seemingly sub-10% drop rate items aren't actually sub-10% drop rate things when you factor in knowledge and skill. You have no idea how many people ignore a tail and just follow the monster, or never, ever grab shinies, or won't go on the quest that will yield better rewards, or break certain parts, and then complain about how much of a pain in the ass it is to get certain items, when said items are actually made much more likely to appear within that six-quest window you gave when you factor in skill and knowledge.
>especially in a single player game
A huge portion of the game's content is in a multiplayer area, balanced for 2 players. A whole fucking rank is locked to multiplayer, out of a few single player quests that can only be unlocked by going through the multiplayer.
I've played through most of the game singleplayer regardless of this fact, and even when I went online to grind something out, it never took me more than 10 quests (which were over in the blink of an eye with four players) to acquire one rare item I didn't even NEED.
Yes, it would be nice if there were other factors, like punch-carding quests to yield specific rare rewards after a certain number of hunts, but 95% of the time, the RNG isn't nearly as bad as you are making it out to be.
>>316599350
What about the Wyvern Fire?
The Wyvern ammo for Bowgurns?
The whole mechanics behind CB and SA?
LS sword dance and finisher?
Also Greatsword used to not have charge attacks in MH and it was considered "flashy" when it was add later on.
>>316599334
>HA HA I posted it again
So funny dude
Here is your only reply this week hope you savour it
>>316599350
>Nothing wrong with that
Too flashy and anime, and wasn't the original purpose of the weapon.
You're literally saying the hammer hunter art where you spin is "a departure from what MH was" despite just being the current spin x 2 times, leaving you twice as much as open and vulnerable.
>>316597320
I never said it would remove the grinding, and "jumping the shark" makes no sense in that context, unless you meant it ironically or something.
>>316599418
im talking about in G-Rank man, of course the low rank stuff is easy to get, but High rank, and G-Rank it literally is a single 1% chance to drop and that is inexcusable even in multiplayer game, especially one that is not massively multiplayer, at least in an MMO I can see why you might not want everyone to have a legendary sword of the gods or whatever, but in MH it does not make any sense and just artificially lengthens gameplay. I basically stopped playing MH3U because the grind for G-Rank parts was retarded im not doing that not worth the ridiculous effort.
>>316599606
>Too flashy and anime
Nah.
>and wasn't the original purpose of the weapon.
Which was what, exactly? Sucking?
>>316587968
Yeah, if you can't evade, retard
>>316598985
That's incredibly shallow, surface-level reasoning. What MH has always been to me, was about dancing with monsters, punishing their openings, and being punished for not counting my openings. Prediction, preparation, positioning, reaction, reading... all of these are still there. THAT is what made it so rewarding, so enjoyable.
Monster Hunter has gotten more flair over time. Whatever. It's a natural progression for a long-running series to become more exaggerated, outlandish, and flashy as time goes on, lest it become stale.
I would care more if these arts drastically changed how the game is played and, ultimately, they don't. Not that much. You still have to wait for huge openings to use a lot of them. You still miss out on damage and stretch out your hunt times by relying on more defensive or evasive arts.
What I notice that the arts do, is turn up the weapon's main function to 11, or otherwise make up for its deficiencies, and in both cases, you need to earn that right to make up for its deficiencies or make it really earn its name, by actually being good at the game. Or being excessively bad, in which case you get pity points but it still doesn't help you much if you can't land it.
>>316587968
>>316588283
I was implying you don't need to grind to get good armor if you're good at the game, you'll be fine using, for example, Tetsucabra armor in LR, HR and GR and it's not a difficult set to craft
>>316599549
Fits the gunlance.
It's always been worthless.
I already said I wasn't a fan of them, overcomplicated weapon designs.
Yeah it's too cartoony,
And the charge attacks are nothing compared to the new finishers.
I don't see your point? Because the game added slightly flashy features before people aren't allowed to not be happy with new, flashier features?
>>316600419
What are your standards for a weapon that isn't "overcomplicated"?
>>316599868
I'm in g-rank. And still it only took me two or three quests to get a Seregios Lens, by picking the right quest for the job and being mindful of breaks and drops.
Do you have a particular part you have in mind?
If it's an elder dragon drop, that is admittedly harder to justify.
>>316600489
Simple concept, with 4-5 different attacks that all have a distinct purpose.
What does /v/ think about the Charge Blade? I think I'm pretty bad at it, what I do is spam the XXX combo in sword mode until I turn red then I switch to axe mode and flail around in the vague direction of the monster. The monster dies quite quickly but I still feel very clumsy.
>>316600554
So anything that isn't braindead simple is overcomplicated. Gotcha.
Is MH4's online community still pretty active?
>>316600568
Holding A in sword mode until the hilt flashes and then letting go to do a double swipe, followed by a roundslash is better. When you charge your energy into the shield, the X+A attack of axe mode can be canceled out of early in by pressing R, which causes the energy to bounce around the shield, buffing the axe mode attack damage and giving certain attacks in sword mode explosive properties for a while, like thrusting with the shield with X+A after an attack, or drawing the sword out of the shield to attack with X after a load. Blocking is buffed, too.
>>316600843
Yes, you can find rooms up at any hour.
>>316600843
I doubt that.
Unless you actually meant MH4U and not Japan-only MH4 which is in every way inferior to the Ultimate edition.
>>316599334
so, what are the odds that thing will leave China?
is peco confirmed yet?
i miss that cheery little shit bag
>>316601109
0.
Fucking 0.
I'm not joking of being sarcastic either.
China people don't want anyone from the outside on their server, if you talk english you get auto-ban.
>>316601109
Not good, and I'm not sure when you'd want to when it's mechanically poor compared to even Frontier, with added grind of being an MMO on top of that.
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>>316601221
>>316601235
>tfw we'll never, ever get a PC monster hunter with those graphics and regular MH gameplay
>>316601125
I don't think so.
>>316595193
Dorf Fortress
>>316579050
>Toukiden has a move that's pretty much literally the sameI enjoy Toukiden: Kiwami more than MH
>>316579525
>Well, Monster Hunter also has by very, very far the best and most engaging crafting system there ever was in a game, not even comparable with other games.
It's a big part why I hate it.
Crafting is always the part I like least about any game and I sure as fuck don't want to have to use a wiki to track all the parts that I need to craft the next weapon I want to try.
>Nibelsnarf is charging towards me
>Standing at the position where I just planted two L+ bombs, planning on making it resurface there with sonic bombs.
>IT SWALLOWS THE BOMBS
HAAAH
HEH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHzHjG6d7qc
>>316600262
>It's a natural progression for a long-running series to become more exaggerated, outlandish, and flashy as time goes on
Is it? I had hoped that MH wasn't even that old to jump the shark already
>lest it become stale.
I doubt that's true.
In any case on top of the gameplay I always enjoyed the overall quality of monster and equipment design which mostly avoided trashy Japanese tropes and when it didn't they just kept those equipment types as bonuses and on the side.
But now the charm is more or less gone. For me at least.
Mhx looks really good so far im worried about the frames on toaster 3ds
>>316579525
>Well, Monster Hunter also has by very, very far the best and most engaging crafting system there ever was in a game, not even comparable with other games.
>Gather materials
>Press A to craft
Admittedly it feels satisfying, if only because of the work put into gathering the materials.
>>316579435
>putting Monster Hunter's combat into an open world or action adventure game without what you probably dislike about Monster Hunter
Toukiden: Kiwami gets rid of most of the stuff I don't like about MH (although the combat is sadly simplified)
and Toukiden 2 is going to be open world. Fucking perfect.
>>316600489
Something that simply plays like a weapon should be, not something that needs transforming modes, phial gimmicks and finishers to sell.
>>316581308
GUNLANCE
CANT SPELL FUN WITHOUT GUN
>>316601221
nah m8, they let a lot of Engrish people get into the CBTs, the problem with the game is that it's owned by Tencent, and you have a daily quest limit and have to pay money to unlock different weapon types and moves
You have 5 seconds to explain why you play a female hunter.
Butt staring is not a valid excuse.
>>316602146
I like playing dressup :^)
>>316601747
Again, your reasoning defaults to the visual. It looked simple, both in attack and in equipment. It sounds to me that there is where your charm in the series came from. That wasn't the case for me. It came from how the game was handled mechanically which was pretty poorly early on but it still had a certain charm to it, and has, barring a couple hiccups here and there, only gotten better since.
>>316600568
I usually get phials with X+A lunge if necessary, followed by hold A and release for charged double-slash, X for roundslash, repeat. Shield thrusts (X+A during combo) to move around if needed.
Shield thrusting twice does a quick AED.
Cancel AED with R to buff your shield for 30 seconds per phial for 20% more axe damage, lance-tier blocking, and the ability to do an ultra AED which consumes the shield buff for a OHKO on nearly any monster if well aimed.
After buffing your shield, get more phials and go ham. Cancel ultra AEDs by holding back on the stick to conserve your buff.
You're better off looking for a guard point guide than having me explain the concept. The important thing to note is that you can bind the guard point action to the start/select buttons in the options.
Odds that it'll cause bleed with a name like this?
>>316602534
Narga variant already got bleed.
>>316600843
Its full of worthless shit players now.
>>316602534
Is this from X too? Where are you guys getting this?
>>316602534
>its just Diorex from Frontier
real original capcom
>>316603156
Showed up in the JP Nintendo Direct. Chances are the next issue of Famitsu will talk about it.
>>316602247
Somewhere around the 3rd gen, the community started placing visuals above gameplay. Its gotten to the point where criticizing certain monsters from Tri or 4U for being too easy gets shrugged off as banter by the collective.
>>316603287
But will it have lightning powers?
MH has shit PVE. I played it for 30 minutes and nothing happened. You just talk to villagers and whack an easy monster with a stick.
How the fuck do you use any weapon other than SnS/DB/LS/CB/SA?
>>316604841
By actually using and mastering them?
>>316603287
Are you dumb?
>>316604841
>not using the undisputed best weapon, Hammer
>>316605515
>hammer
>in 4U
Anon, I'm sorry.
>>316581308
SnS Guild style, I want that KO Shoryugeki and fully invincible spin attack
>>316599334
now if only the game weren't barebones as shit
>That one monster nobody remembers
What's the one monster you wish we could get from Frontier?
>Pic related
I want more bug monsters in general. Seltas Queen was GOAT
>>316608312
I'm glad you don't want any frontiershit in MH, anon.
Should I import MHX?
>>316608847
WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK
>>316594656
It's dlc, FREE DLC mind you that you get through the mh4u download menu. The only thing you have to do is be good enough to beat the quest they give you and you can get the materials for the costumes.
>>316604221
Because you actually hadn't gotten to the relevant part of the game. You were in the tutorial section.
>tfw I played MH4U with friends every day during the summer
>want to play again
>realize I'm back in my shitty flat and my garbage wifi doesn't even reach in my room
>won't be able to connect
>>316608847
>''Fuck yeah! I'm ready do hunt some shit with m- Oh crap, OH CRAP. I FUCKED UP, RUUUN''
>>316608389
>shunning baruragaru
He'll never catch a break.
>>316581308
I've been an SnS man for a long time now and i'm gonna keep sticking with it.
>>316594656
Special DLC pack for free.
Only if you're Japanese though.Also only in Frontier.
>>316611230
How do you guys cope with that terrible feeling that your hits have no effect on the monster?
>>316611415
Go to sleep, Rhyperior.
>>316611448
GS/HBG/IG/CB user pls go
>>316611641
>even SnSfags forgot Hammer exists
>>316611531
No, it's 1 pm.
I got shit to do.
>>316611724
Hammer isn't as OP as the 4 I mentioned though.
>>316611415
>ps2 still looks better than 3ds
>>316583597
I can't tell if that was his 100th time doing that fight and got lucky or if he actually knows that the Gore charging straight for him WILL be staggered by this next shot and it won't kill him.
>>316612362
Generally it's a little bit of column A and a little bit of column B.
A lot of good precise understanding of stagger limits can let you do things like that pretty easily, but especially when dealing with a non-100% crit rate, you're going to be dealing with some wiggle room where things can go horribly wrong.
Though you're going to need weapons and armor set ups like he has to pull stuff like that off since the amount of damage pumping out is pretty crazy.
>>316612362
Considering his build uses adrenaline and feline heroics I believe, his damage is absolutely through the roof, nearly every other shot staggered the monster. You can also count the damage to staggers like you can status ailments if you know the dmg your weapon does, the dmg to stagger, and make sure you hit the right spot every time.
>>316608312
Scorpions.
Orugarons.
Midogaron.
Inagami.
Baruragaru.
Odibatorasu.
>>316608232
Only for its area.
>>316591910
Was there a stream today that announced more? Anything else besides Shaggy?
>>316613807
Capcom released a small guide that happens to include Shagaru's arena and information on the new upgrade system.
>>316580980
post the one with sound
What is mostfunweapon senpai?
>>316577831
>best and most interesting PvE combat
>can be broken down to 3-4 step rinse and reapeat
Monster Hunter Fans are retarded, just liked world of warcraft fans that think WOW is the best MMO, or LOL fans that say it's better then Dota.
Monster Hunter is dated and just a bad phantasy star online clone with a prehistoric skin. MonHun sucks, it's only fun if you play with friends.
>>316615116
>only fun to play with friends
My over 300 hours of near-total solo play say otherwise.
>phantasy star online
I've never understood this comparison. Is it because you fight a boss with other people? Is that it? Please enlighten me as to why exactly you make this claim.
>>316614839
All of them
I like lance for being a a juggernaut in the face of an even larger juggernaut. Rush/bashing through a monster's attack to take advantage of a huge opening is amazing.
Sword and Shield is fun because you're fucking glue, hacking the monster's feet and making it fall over for half the fucking hunt so your team/you can fuck its day.
Charge Blade and Switch Axe are fun for me because I fucking love mechanical weapons, morphing between the two for maximum performance based on the scenario.
>>316615116
oh god stop, pso is shit compared to MH
>>316615558
Monhun pretty much copied the pso formula but had less features (no lock on targeting or other quality of life stuff). As the games progressed pso added more features and Monhun pretty much stayed the same.
Play pso2 and you will see exactly what I mean. It's just a better monhun.
>>316616168
Monster Hunter copied the PSO formula and cutted out the bad from it such as
>Level grinding
>Enemies dropping weapons instead of creating it yourself.
>The mandatory "kill the trash mobs before fighting the boss"
And PSO2 made it worse by adding stupid shit like affixing and to to top it of, it has one of the most retarded weapon upgrading system. It barely passed because at least you didn't break your weapon if the upgrade process failed.
I'm glad I stopped playing it after the DDOS, and I see no reason to lament over missing out the POS1 train
>>316616168
>No lock on targeting
Why would it? Lock on is for hitting the monster in general in games where attacking different hitzones is not a priority. It would only get in the way of reading tells and hitting specific body parts. Target Cam only got implemented in the first place because it was better than not using a stick for many people.
Anyways, I think I'd rather not. Everything I'm reading up on it about suggests that they may share some basic elements of a similar genre, that of being a hunting game, but that doesn't mean Monster Hunter is a clone of it any more than Terraria is a clone of Minecraft or Smash is a clone of... I don't fucking know, Street Fighter. Some fighting game.
>Monhun pretty much stayed the same
HEH.
You really believe that, don't you? Do you really think nothing has changed?
Every weapon has been given new moves, and new mechanics. Their damage values adjusted, their movements made more fluid, everything about them polished over years to a near-mirror sheen, so that even the worst weapon in terms of hunting time is still fun and can be surprisingly dynamic.
New monster types are introduced regularly. Entirely new species. New styles. Leviathans. Brute wyverns. Temnocerans. Snake Wyverns.
Every generation, some new mechanic. Slime/blast. Swimming. Mounting. Climbing and jumping. Exhaustion. Resistances to status and traps. Blights. New statuses. Hell, we're about to get fucking styles that change up the moveset, and arts which are basically super moves you charge up during combat. We're about to get a new approach to the material grind for upgrading equipment. We're about to get a new way to approach combat in Nyantas. Customizeable second screen mechanics. New weapons.
>>316617397
Lock on targeting in pso allows you to target different parts of whatever you want to hit. And if you have a ranger he can create weak points you can lock on too as well. It's very useful with bosses over 12 times bigger then your character and with 30+ weak points you have to break. Although, they are terrible for certain fights and certain weak points. If you are a ranged class you need to know when to lock and when to fps, there is a finesse to it. Locking on to the a moving arm might put you in bad position if the boss moves and you use a dash attack. Or if you are ranged and lock on to certain weak points you wont hit if you are not at a certain elevation or another body part is in the way and you need to know how to adjust.
When I said that MonHun has stayed the same, I meant in terms of features. The game has hardly evolved, I played MH3 on the wii and it was pretty much like the psp version I played years ago. New monsters, balancing, quest and weapons are just normal stuff you need for new games to be justified. Obviously pso2 has the same, every patch there is something new. But unlike monster hunters we get just like Halloween events with special costumes you can only once, drop events, special quest like timed attacks, Leader boards, added support for 12 man parties, multiple parties in a single instanced online zone, things beyond they reskin of last weeks monster with more hp and a new attack pattern.
>ctrl+f hunting horn
>0 results
How is this not the obvious most fun weapon?
>>316619164
>But unlike monster hunters we get just like Halloween events with special costumes you can only once, drop events, special quest like timed attacks, Leader boards, added support for 12 man parties, multiple parties in a single instanced online zone, things beyond they reskin of last weeks monster with more hp and a new attack pattern.
You mean just like MH Frontier?
>>316619206
>HH
>Not SA/CB/IG for maximum churatzee
Aso if we're aiming the fun an
>>316619206
I love HH and all, and I might be a shitter but I just can't kill well with HH compared to other weapons. I tried to get gud with HH, but I just can't so I stick to SnS.
Apex and guild quests were the worst thing added to MH
>>316619164
>the game has hardly evolved
MH3 ON THE WII HAD FUCKING SWIMMING. It added monster exhaustion and resistance to traps and statuses! It added elemental attacks giving you status effects!
How is that not evolving?
>special costumes you can only get once
As should be expected of an MMO. Monster Hunter isn't that.
>special quests like timed attacks
Monster Hunter has that.
>Leader boards
Has that for friends. Does PSO have arena challenges that force you to use a specific weapon and equipment loadout with particular skills? And I don't mean, "you have to equip this," I mean it gives you weapons and equipment you don't have for that one hunt, so it works both as a way of becoming acquainted with new weapons and skills without having to invest materials into them as well as a way to test your personal skill against yourself and your friends in an equal environment.
>>316619852
that's not swimming
>>316619206
Fun fact:
>Hitting monster with HH in MHX will upgrade notes to multi-tone notes. Playing a song entirely of multi-tone notes will encore the previous song in the same toot honk.
>sonic boom art
>art that makes all notes, whether you hit or not, multi-tone for a little while
>Soul Symphony, which plays all songs available on your hunting horn for you alone
>>316620032
Swimming was ok outside of 3DS controls. Only other acceptable answer would have been charm tables.
>>316619852
Everything after FU was shit.
>>316619872
>Has that for friends. Does PSO have arena challenges that force you to use a specific weapon and equipment loadout with particular skills?
Actually it does, even ones where all you can use is unarmed attacks and no gear. It's pretty hardcore too people are always trying to get the best time.
>>316620106
Fuuuuuck that sounds sofun!
>>316620431
That's a neat banter, if I ever saw one
>>316619872
>As should be expected of an MMO. Monster Hunter isn't that.
>He doesn't play MH Frontier G on the vita
>>316620431
I still go back to FU from time to time and have fun with it, and you're full of shit.
>>316620117
I honestly found the 3DS controls to be more intuitive than the Tri controls. Holding dodge then moving the stick up or down to dodge up or down worked much better for me than trying to remember which shoulder button went up or down. Other than that, it's not like there was very much difference between the two.
>charm tables
Well, 3U's locked charm tables were awful. Charm tables that switch out every so often are just fine in my books. Although Tri's "everything's on only one charm table" was probably the simplest for sure.
>>316620032
I found swimming to be highly enjoyable with most weapons, but it definitely needed something.
>Olympic Swimmer should have been standard swimming speed
>Pull camera out slightly so you can see the vertical axis better and gauge distance more easily
>Don't make the camera go dogshit whenever you vertical dodge
>Add mechanic where moving the stick after a dodge will cause the hunter to curve their swimming in that direction
For instance, dodge downwards then move the stick forward, and hunter will dodge down then move forward slightly. Dodge forward then move the stick down and they will dodge forward and down
>Dodge upwards at the edge of the water and you basically just jump out of the water and flail until you fall back into it
>compensate for monster movement underwater by making moves that cross distance more effective
I found the gunlance rushing thrust and dual blades forward cut to the sides to be fairly good, but other weapons could have used a bit more distance-closing ability underwater.
>>316620543
Well there's no unarmed attacks in Monster Hunter, but there are quests which require you to be naked and not take any skills at all via talismans.
>>316620431
I do like that monsters in FU had two turning animations for telegraphing their attacks. The slow turn for easy attacks and the fast turn for dangerous attacks.
Also, Garuga was actually fun back then before 4U corrupted him beyond recognition.
>>316621712
Garuga only started getting fun for me when I'm dual blading it in 4U. Every other weapon, I could barely do one attack before being punished.
mfw monhun has no cute monster girls
>>316621949
I prefer actual female monsters desu
Like Lunastra for example.
>>316621949
it could. i'm sure theres art.
>>316621949
>Thinking soap bubble chan isn't cute
>>316588971
>Artian X gives Guard Boost as a base skill
>Guard Boost with a SA
However awesome it looks, it isn't putting the set to proper use
>>316621852
Garuga is just a gear check.
If you can do enough damage to it to flinch it with every level 3 charge to the head, you can easily beat it.
Otherwise, don't bother.
Also, GS is the only weapon that makes Garuga somewhat bearable due to that.
>be a meme glaive user for +1000 battles since the beginning
>good at it
>try on HH
>grow more efficient at HH and start fucking up on IG
>decide to just stick to HH because I'm a slut
>things can't go bad
>MHX announced
>now with even more rathians and rathalos!
>now with even more poison and flight!
>tfw the flash bomb won't work on some variants
Help. I don't think my horn's girth and length will be enough to hit a teleporting, flying rath.
>>316622405
>GS
Neh. I can use it decently but I find it impossible to enjoy it. I much prefer switch axe in general, but the only weapon I can reliably use against the Garuga is dual blades. Trip central.
>>316622592
>but I find it impossible to enjoy it
Play a different game then. 4U is GS/IG/HBG central, no other weapons matter.
>>316622280
Would be funny if Teostra gets skipped out but Lunastra is in Cross.She wouldn't fall to the Blast side like Teo, right?
>>316622668
Just because other weapons don't achieve the same kill speed doesn't mean they're not viable, friend. The DB's moveset is pretty good for Garuga.
>>316622347
Suffers the same fate as FOOTBALL.
>>316622857
>Just because other weapons don't achieve the same kill speed doesn't mean they're not viable, friend.
But that's exactly what it means.
Suboptimal and nonviable are the same thing.
>>316622675
I dunno. Probably.
>monsters are horrible damage sponges
>on top of being able to run the fuck away to the other side of location and heal there just to prolong the combat time
>animations are hilariously clunky and all the stuff you can see on those epik xXx_skillShot_xXx webms is just like 1% of the game where it actually doesn't suck
This is supposed to be a good pve game?
>>316622915
Maybe you should stop treating weapons like they're armour skills.
>>316599334
Why is the trailer in english if it's going to be china only?
>>316623012
Monsters can't heal unless they're sleeping, which they only do once they're at critical health, and only recover to the point of no longer being critical.
Those webms are of people who have mastered the game's mechanics. IF you can't epik xXx_skillShot_xXx then that's entirely you and your lack of skill/understanding. Even an FPS can be clunky if you go online without understanding how to move, aim, shoot, change weapons, or take cover properly.
>>316623120
Westerners are so dumb that China had to spell it out in english for em to get the clue.
Not that I care about Chink Hunter though.
> MHX is revamping the crafting system so you don't have to get a Gem or Mantle to fully upgrade a weapon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dabpTJooXk
THANK YOU CAPCOM
>>316623251
>responding to bait
>>316623520
Man imagine if Monster Hunter had pure bladestones.
Ugh I really wish more Monster Hunter would come to console. Even with a 3DS XL and a Circle Pad Pro I can play for like an hour before my hands hurt. Meanwhile on the WiiU i've put 300 hours into it.
>>316623045
Maybe you should stop having personal attachment to a fucking weapon.
>>316623410
Assuming I wont bother watching the video, I was under impression that weapons in MHX now follow the overforging system from Tri where you level up that piece of gear till a certain level where you need to provide more than one material to upgrade that gear.
>>316623631
I've actually put at least 400 hours on eachcharacterof each MHand it's all on PSP or 3DS. So I'm used to it, and learned to let my hand rest for a little while after each hunt.
I'd do the same as you if I had a WiiU, though
>>316623410
I don't see them not requiring materials to upgrade the weapon to the next tier. It's probably just axing having two versions of the same weapon with slightly different stats in the same rank for just adding on to it until it's ready to upgrade to the next rank, like overforging armour from low to high rank versions in Tri, except instead of armour spheres, it's monster parts.
They'd be devaluing rare monster parts like mad if they just made it all "KEEP ADDING ON TO IT FOREVER USE THOSE 99 SCALES TO JUST GO STRAIGHT TO TOP TIER." There has to be some kind of gating. There has to be some kind of worth for rare monster parts.
What do you want to bet the initial cost will be higher to compensate, too?
>>316577831
>Monster Hunter
>good combat
No anon. If you want good combat in an RPG you go for Kingdom Hearts or some shit like that. Monster Hunter combat is too slow, and it doesn't have a proper lock-on mechanic. I mean it has a lock-on mechanic, but its not very good and doesn't work on all enemies. Chasing enemies through area after area slowly damaging them is also a pain in the ass and is boring, and your character movement is too weighty to make the chase even fun. The fact that you have stamina makes this even worse.
I will admit the newest Monster Hunter is looking a lot better but I don't have faith in it. Its still Monster Hunter in the end.
>>316623752
Hey man I'm not the one treating the overpowered weapons that haven't been properly balanced in ages like they're the only way to play the game. The game isn't balanced solely around GS/IG/HBG, no matter how much you tout them as being the only thing worth using.
Hell, probably the only reason why GS is as good as it is right now is because of the overabundance of Gen 1/2 monsters.
except DMC3/4 have better combat
>>316624123
>you go for Kingdom Hearts or some shit like that.
Anon, you shouldn't give it away in the first sentence. Step it up, senpai desu
>>316624123
>Kingdom Hearts
Man I like Kingdom Hearts and that's some bull honkey. The only way to make it halfway challenging is some critical mode final mix bullshit on bonus bosses. Kingdom Hearts 2 was a slip 'n' slide mess to boot.
>>316624150
>The game isn't balanced solely around GS/IG/HBG
Except it literally is.
>>316622675
Her gear is still fire element in 4U, so probably not.
>>316624123
>Kingdom Hearts
>Good combat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXJHxIjBlq0
>>316624289
Except it's literally not. No more than it would be balanced around Hammer if it got some bullshit move that put its damage so high up there that it beat the next best weapon on all hunt times by half. They fucked up the damage values. Doesn't mean the game is built around them.
>>316623847
I try, my hands are arthritic. Though i'm one of the few people still playing MH past 40 so i'm a minority im sure
>>316577831
But Vindictus has the best PvE combat
>>316624507
>But Vindictus has the best PvE combat
See, that''s a little better than >>316624123
But you should wait more than 5 minutes to try again in the same thread.
>>316623896
It don't see how it devalues rare parts at all. It's giving you a method to level up your equipment if you have shit luck, but we can only assume the rare parts are still far more valuable since they'll level up your equipment much more quickly than amassing 99 scales would.
>>316608232
I actually enjoyed fighting the Hypnocatrice.
>>316624372
>Kingdom Hearts
>bad combat
Two can play at that game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erhpBhLHLUw
>>316624287
Not just bonus bosses. The best way to play KH is KH2.5 Critical with Exp Zero attached. That way the game is perfectly balanced and challenging, and forces the player to utilize his magic to the best of his ability while learning enemy attack patterns and dodging attacks. Its also extremely fast and fluid, and combos go into each other, and your attacks actually have enemy knockback, so they feel weighty while still moving fast.
>>316624719
That's not me bruh. I've never played Vindictus.
>>316624719
But I just got here. Are you making a connection based on two people not finding MH combat to be the best? How will there ever be a discussion
>>316616168
PSO2 is fucking trash, dude
I like using more than the one attack per weapon, thanks
>>316616168
>there are people actually replying saying Monster Hunter is better than PSO2
>Monster Hunter lacks grinding is one of the responses
>>316625142
and that's suppose to be good? Let me sum that video up
REFLECT
REFLECT
REFLECT
REFLECT
It's fucking garbage
I'm here from the catalog to rant about how vindictus is amazing.
vindictus is amazing and does monhun combat better than monhun.
okay bye.
>>316625520
>Reflect when attacked
>Dodge through dashes and flight
>time heals appropriately
>Use drive form to heal and abuse invincibility frames at the right moment to avoid getting clobbered and gain extra overpowered attack abilities
>>316620431
>This is what FU babbies actually believe
>>316625692
Kill yourself Nexon shill
Vindictus is a complete mess
The only thing cool about it using monster breaks as weapons mid fight
>>316625692
But it's not even monhun combat. Although it is a better pve game
>>316624771
I can't seem to recall the reasoning of that moment.
>>316625913
You genuinely think someone would go up to bat for fucking Nexon?
Vindictus is the only game that's ever done CUHRAZY multiplayer right. It's not a slight on monhun to acknowledge that Vindictus also shines with it's combat.
>>316625913
>using monster breaks as weapons mid fight
You never use monster breaks in the game. Weapons yes but not breaks
>>316625846
>dodging
that isn't dodging that's using glide to get away
half the fight is running, the rest is reflecting
KH is so fucking garbage because the magic system
KH1: fucking Aero
KH2: Reflect
KH BBS: the entire shitty command menu
KH 3D: Balloon
>>316625692
Now if only Vindictus consisted of more than the same copy-pasted rooms and fodder enemies ad nauseam.
>>316626223
KH1 and 2 are still far more ballanced than BBS and 3D in that regard anon. Reflect and Aero aren't nearly as overpowered as BBS's Surge abilities and 3D's Balloon
>>316588649
From my experience I've found that shakas are
>faster to free hunters from control removing effects
>faster and more effective with their healing and buffing, and don't require a dedicated build to do it
>can harvest monster parts with any build and can be built towards gathering more often or stealing parts directly, instead of requiring a dedicated build to do so at all
>have more utility and damage potential through masks, and take overall less time to max out compared to trying to make multiple cat builds or just finding decent cats at all with 4U's horrendous system
The only thing cats have done better is paralysis builds in P3, otherwise the shakas are objectively better in almost every way
The shakas can even fit into the style of a player who wants to fight without them thanks to last stand and the artillery mask letting them deal an enormous hit at the start and then fucking off for the rest of the hunt
>>316577831
No point in an open world when you can only carry so much which... well taking that out would break the godamn game completely.
You have your harvest tours to fuck around with and given the handheld nature of the series it's perfect for picking up and playing a mission on the train or whatever.
Story wise though yeah, it's ass. I'd love to take AI hunters with me too just because doing hunts solo all the time feels drull and the cats barely do fuck all 80% of the time.
Story wise I'd love it if you were with a gang like the Aces and you could customize them and their patterns of attack etc. It would be good practice for learning team combos before hopping online.
>>316626341
This exact same thing could be said about Monster Hunter.
>>316626730
Not at all. MH doesn't have boring, repetitive dungeons that all feel exactly the same that you need to trudge through to get to the actual fun boss fight.
>>316627160
It literally does.
>>316626694
>I'd love to take AI hunters with me too just because doing hunts solo all the time feels drull and the cats barely do fuck all 80% of the time.
Would it be broken for MH if AI hunters could learn like Pawns?
>>316577831
>locked in animation for 5 seconds: the game
>best PvE combat
pick one.
>>316627541
>>316626694
Frontier has AI hunters you can use, but I don't know if they're at all useful
I'd prefer a hunting dog or something
>>316628086
>Gets the same amount of carves you do from the body, then gives them to you in the rewards
>Understands blocking and rolling through attacks
>Can be given skills
>Can dress up in silly outfits of your choosingYou have to craft it though.
>Understands what a Hunting Horn is and how to play the songs
They are pretty damn useful.
I once set my cat and AI hunter against a HR1 Kut-Ku and they solo'ed it without my help in about 3 minutes with their G rank gear.
Best PvE combat in goes to Bayonetta, Ninja Gaiden or Divinity Original Sin.
Not hating on Mon Hun, shit is fun but doesn't conpare to the fluidity of Bayo and NG, or the tactical options of Divinity.
Any room?
I wanna hunt.
>>316601786
>Playing MH
>Want to gather a legiacrus plate
>had to break all his parts before capturing him
>ohshitthisistakingforever.jpeg
>Had to do this 7 times
>got the item
>forgot to take the item
>REEEEEEE.jpg
>Well let's try again i really want this
>Do this one more time
>Got it again
I never felt more joy on any game before, this is why i felt in love with it
>>316631442
>Not accepting all rewards all the time
Way to fuck up royally.
>>316630839
what's your HR?
>>316631762
580+
If DDO had the combat of MH and was released in something other than moonspeak it would be one of the best games ever made.
>>316631821
I'm only 430+. Stopped playing months ago when I got there though.
