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>>316504585
I wish i had the tech to play Fox senpai...
I don't play melee competitively but Marth is the coolest character.
Serious question. Not trolling. Like for real.
Why do Melee players hate Smash 4?
Have a legitimate reason why.
We did it, lads.
>>316505045
Because now they can finally vent their frustration after being the joke of FGC and feel superior to something
>>316505045
>too floaty
>unlimited air dodges
>shitty magnetic ledge mechanics
>combos are too dependent on getting grabs
>DI nonexistent (and I mean true DI, not Smash DI)
>top characters are all awful to watch (sonic, sheik, rosalina)
>>316505045
The whole (main) thing that differentiates melee from other fighters is freedom of movement. So when you take a very core element out of your game there is bound to be people mad. Various techs and things dealing with movement got removed and even momentum is gone.
>>316505045
I can't speak for every player. But being expected to "move on" to a game I consider inferior due to the lack of more technical options is obnoxious. I'm completely fine with Smash 4 existing, and getting support, main stage at majors etc. But really, i'm getting tired of people trying to shove it down my throat that I should be playing the game instead of melee, just because it's new.
>>316505045
Because it waters down all movement options and removes the flow of combos.
>>316504421
You know who likes this shit? Gay niggas. You best rename that shit to Gelee.
>>316505045
There's no fighting sub-name.
Melee > Brawl > ???
>>316505045
I play mostly Melee. I dislike Smash 4 mainly because it's very boring to watch.
Like I really can't watch high level smash 4 because it's so dry. Playing it for fun is alright but it's not a very interesting game at a high level because characters have so few options and defensive play is more heavily rewarded. It's not very flashy.
>>316505249
what did you do? it looks like the first poll nullified the other, enjoy having both smash games at evo
>>316505680
this t.b.h
>>316505383
Pretty much this. I also hate the new ledge mechanics and recovering is just way too easy and edge-guarding is almost non-existent for a lot of characters
>>316505307
this
smash fanboys, yes even melee fanboys, are absolutely insufferable. The only thing good about it are the top players, thank god they're mostly interesting people that can interact with each other in a fun manner. Last weekend's mafia sessions were bae.
Is wavedashing crucial if I want to main someone like Falcon or Dorf?
>>316505249
all this proves is that the people who want melee more are the same people @utstic enough to care about competitive video game shit
>>316506079
l-canceling is a lot more important for those characters i'd say
and wavelanding is important if you wanna get anywhere with dorf
>>316505695
I feel the opposite. Playing it is a chore, but watching top-level play is somewhat interesting even if only because watching people be really good at things is often interesting.
>>316506079
Wavedashing should be learned regardless unless you play like Puff or something. It's a useful universal tech just for wavelanding and wavedash->edgegrab for edge guards alone, usefulness beyond that varies but those are pretty crucial for anyone.
>>316505045
ganon's fair has slightly lower range
>>316505383
>awful to watch
>>316505695
>it's very boring to watch
>watch
melee fags everyone
>>316505383
>>316505045
To add to ALL of what that anon posted:
>Because game has no aerial momentum and too much lag on landing aerials the upgrade to sheild stun didn't matter so theres no pressure game aside dancing outside their range
Even characters like jigglypuff suffer greatly from the bad physics
>recoveries have stupidly good priority making them a risk to edgeguard at all properly.
>Trump was put in to counteract snap planking but it just aggravates the problem. Snap should be removed and trump left in, if you cant recover without getting hit its YOUR ISSUE. The rest of us shouldnt suffer.
>even being punishable rolls are a major annoyance and a easy out for scrubs
>1p modes suck ass
>unlockables suck ass
>worst items in series history
>stage list sucks ass
>No stock matches in team for glory leading to running like pussies
>No regular stage selection in for glory barring huge stages completely out like GCO
And for all their crying about the game being balanced, it's ruled even harder by it's top tiers than Melee's ever was. A huge middle tier of useless characters does not a balanced game make.
>>316506324
Best way to practice it? I already have 20XX but I can't do it consistently, much less make it flow into anything
>>316506324
puff wavedashing is pretty important in a bunch of her matchups, mostly the ones where being grounded and and crouching a lot to avoid grabs is a good idea
>>316505045
boring, slow, floaty, not as technical, no combos, not as fun to play
>>316506496
Viewership matters because it keeps new players coming and promotes the game as competitively alive, when a game stops being shown people forget about it and it proceeds to die off. This not how it SHOULD be, but in this era that's how it is. PM is barely clinging to life, Brawl is dead, and even the anime FGC is only just now making a push to have their games revitalized. Watchability matters for a games longevity
>>316506712
Like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuE-cIkr800
>>316505045
The game's pace feels really bad. Attacks don't feel consistant with the platforming, giving you the feeling of being locked in place for the duration because of how braindead it is to evade/counter any offensive movement. Very few move have utility and are safe to poke with, and even then their uses are very VERY defined by the minimal hitstun and recovery frames of each.
4's stage selection is fucking abmysal. So many stages are a glorified shitfest of 1hko hazards sweeping in and out with little warning, and this is coming form someone who's guilty pleasure is rainbow cruise.
I miss good gameplay
>>316505045
My BIGGEST problem, along with everything else people said
>buffed recoveries almost universally
>yet ledges have xbox huge grabboxes
The fact that both exist together is the biggest problem, one by itself wouldn't be so bad
also still no Pokefloats fuck Sakurai
>>316506682
You keep practicing. Just grind out the motions. Try to land 3 in a row consistently, then 5, then 10, etc. Set small goals to keep morale high and show yourself progress. Mix in some wavelands and edge guards to keep it fresh. Once you have it consistently, play a person (or even CPU) just to get an idea of how to use it in an upped pace.
>>316506682
There is no easy out in Melee, you have to practice hard to get anything...and thats why people that are bad hate it.
>>316506682
Just do it over and over on FD practice. Luigi or Samus are extremely easy to do it with. Falcon or spacies next. Bowser the hardest. Once you have the hand motion down playing someone is the only way you learn how to work it in.
I'm not great and use R and X to wave dash but most people use L and Y.
I can impress scrubs at parties though.
What's your favorite matchup?
Mine's Snake/Falco or Snake/Roy
>>316505045
Smash 4 is at the very least, an evolution of the previous game before it, brawl. Brawl however, in its base state, is a piece of fucking shit. Smash 4 does not bring back the mechanics that we know and love from the series. The engine is still quite slow and approaching is usually awkward. I don't hate smash 4. I actually have a lot of fun with it. But melee just feels a lot more exciting and precise. It rewards aggressive and dangerous plays. In smash 4 you almost never see people take any kind of real risks.
Reminder that there's a tourney tomorrow. Starts at 8pm EST, check-in required opens 1hr before tourney. All skill levels welcome, have fun.
http://challonge.com/t4pm1
>>316506985
>>316507058
>>316507206
When am I supposed to wavedash as Falcon if I'm short hopping across the stage spaming n-airs all the time?
>>316509286
Dash dance adjustment.
What are your mains /v/?
Who Samus/Falco here?
>>316505045
It's missing around 30 movement options and gameplay features. One of those are The momentum of your running speed not carrying over to the speed of your jump. Yes, that's how bad smash 4's engine is. That's only one of the 30 things missing.
>>316510014
Yassi
>>316506871
What's an Isai frame?
For your entertainment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dmPObHXTqo
>>316510418
>this will never happen again
>>316510014
Marth/Falcon here
>>316510418
>everyone teases M2K
>mango and Armada act cocky
>PP tries to keep the whole thing somewhat on the rails
>best of all no Hbox
>>316510854
how would have Hbox ruined it? I don't know much about his personality
Just make a general already.
>>>/vg/
>>316512236
/vg/, as impossible as it might sound, is even more casual than /v/ when it comes to smash.
>>316506150
>game that survived solely because of it's competitive viability is enjoyed for it's competitive viability
Wow
