Now that the dust has settled, what's the /v/edict?Is it better than new vegas?
>>316491391
Dust settled? It's like a sandstorm here. Every other thread is fallout
Vanilla vs vanilla I think it holds up really well against FNV, it does a lot of things better.
If the modding community pulls through and pulls through it will be the best bethesda game to date, thanks again to the modding community.
I beat it already and if I had to give a score 7.5/10
With the same level of mods that skyrim saw it will easily be 10/10.
>dust has settled
>>316491391
It definitely a terrible game, idk if it's any better than NV since I never played it.
>yfw the console paid mod shitstorm is about to begin
>>316491391
>Is it better than new vegas?
lolno, even normies agree that NV is better
>>316491391
i heard there were multiple endings, like siding with the brotherhood of steel vs the institute or the railroad or whoever. i thought it was just nukes vs newborn
>>316492935
>since I never played it
lmfao
>mother with law degree knows how to operate a military grade power armor
>mother with law degree is okay with killing random strangers when she awoke after 200 years and losing everything
todddrones cant explain this
game is rubbish
>>316492019
Too bad you won't be able to mod it without forking outta your ass.
>you lived long enough to see pirated MODS
Am I kawaii?
They should just stop pretending they're an RPG.
Why is there even a dialogue system? FO4's is a completely pointless mess that's just annoying and nothing you do in it matters. Even fucking Skyrim managed to do better.
I stopped actually looking at it and just mash buttons until it's over.
>>316493101
???
even if it does a lot of things good, theres till the disgusting dialogue wheel and voiced MC which you cant escape. so no, its shit.
>>316491391
I'm definitely liking it a lot. I enjoyed NV/3 somewhat, but I could never get that into them because to me the gunplay was always garbage. It was impossible for me to really get excited about exploring the world because every combat encounter was shit. FO4's gunplay is actually really nice, and the weapon customization has me really involved in my arsenal and how I approach combat situations. The dialogue wheel and voiced protagonist really take away from what the past Fallouts have done well though and it's damn near impossible to roleplay with any kind of variety or personalization. Also the base building is an awesome idea with some neat features but overall the execution of it is shit.
Its a fun game but not a very deep roleplaying experience, which is probably what most Fallout fans are looking for.
>>316493356
that's a pretty nice t-shirt for someone who lives in a post-apocalyptic wasteland
>>316491391
Incoming opinions
>Story
NV<4<3
>Gameplay
4<NV<3
>Art direction
NV<4<3
>Humor
NV<4=3
Graphics
Literal Shit<NV=4=3
Verdict: Play a better series. Fallout is a shell of what it once was
I suggest everyone here to start up Skyrim and compare how Fallout 4 feels to it. Hint: the latter feels like utter cow shit.
>>316493814
i think there's something wrong with your post
>>316493814
You know < is "less than" right? The alligator eats the bigger number
>>316493917
I forgot to memetext the graphics part
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4EHjFkVw-s
How's the base building stuff? Anybody have screenshots?
>Get in the game
>Just out of a cryostasis
>Walk a few hours
>Magically propulsed in a Power armor that normally requires a training
>Use a minigun
>In the first few hours of gameplay, you get a taste of what used to be the endgame in the last Fallout
>Your character is voiced
>The dialogue wheel is utter garbage
>Both of these new additions completely obliterate the wittiness of the series
>Story is a rehash of FO3
And much more.
>>316493917
>>316493989
FUCK ME. It's been a long day, but yeah, I meant NV>4>3
>>316494005
No, you forgot how inequality symbols work.
>Is it better than new vegas?
Hell no. 6/10.
>>316494152
It's by far my favorite part. I haven't even been playing the story, just going on sidequests to harvest loot to use to make more shit.
>>316491391
Vanilla on both, it's functionally and mechanically much better than NV. Guns feel good, melee feels great, difficulty is more balanced (until the bullet sponges in survivor, it is Bethesda after all), graphics are naturally loads better as well as animation (but still leave some to be desired). FO4 is unfortunately total shit when it comes to role playing, you can try to role play and it'll work nicely outside of the story missions, but if you attempt to role play in the main story it always drowns down to "MUH SHAUN, MUH BABY" in some way, and trying to be a sarcastic asshole makes you seem like a schizophrenic bipolar cat lady going "Yeah sure tough guy, how about you fuck yourself-- SHAUN WHERE IS HE PLEASE HELP ME FIND HIM".
It's maybe not as severe as that, but it feels like it. As for RPG mechanics, they're running in the background and are not as deep as NV or FO3 or even Skyrim. It's not that it's outright bad, it's just really different and streamlined into selecting perks or raising one special point each level, and honestly it still feels pretty good. Leveling is at a good pace and gets longer when you get farther like all RPG games. You won't be a walking tank until after engame if you choose to do so, but you always feel pretty good when you develop a rhythm for things in your build.
On a side note, Power armor is probably one of the best things they've done. Instead of just being armor that slips on and off, it's more like a fully customizable mech that's limited by a power source; think iron man; it never feels overpowered since you need to manage fuel, which is difficult but not too difficult to obtain, which keeps it all pretty balanced. You always have the option to stockpile on cores if you really want to, or you could stock pile on different power armors in one of your bases for all occasions should it be to be a walking melee God, a rapid fire tank, or mobile sharp shooter, the options are there.
>>316493913
Did it. Melee in FO4 is miles better than Skyrim desu senpai.
>>316491391
Can you even get the more modern power armor?
Or did they just like suck all the novelty out if t-51b and make that default?
Honestly objective analysis here: no opinions unless stated as such.
It is largely missing the faction system of NV, and you are mostly confined to playing the character they picked for you. There is some wiggle room, but it's less of a sandbox this time, you can't just join up with the "bad" guys.
The dialogue wheel is poorly implemented compared to other series and the HUD looks to have been designed by a high schooler.
Performance on consoles is what most gamers would consider sub-par, PC is surprisingly smooth on lower settings with older toasters, struggles to maintain 60fps on Ultra with any setup less than 1500 dollars, so sub-par there too.
It does not look like a game from 2007, no matter how many people parrot that. Crysis was an exception in its time. The graphics, whether you *like* them or not, aren't terribly out of place with modern games, especially considering how far behind FO3 and NV were. Again, not my opinion, basing on technologies in play.
Build mode needed more development time. The inability to clip walls through each other and mandatory snapping means that anything more complex than a straight cube or rectangle is gonna take more time than it should, if not be impossible.
The gunplay is massively improved.
Now for the subjective stuff: atmosphere is solid, it's fun to play, it's even fun to build when the systems aren't getting in your way. I'm engaged and enjoying it, mods will fix everything I didn't like, 8/10.
>>316493814
>Fallout is a shell of what it once was
>implying fallout 1,2 had better graphics/gameplay
>>316494596
Modded NV is the best way to go though.
Here's hoping that modders can do cool shit with Bethesda's neat stuff and fix the shit.
Fixing the shit won't be enjoyable or easy, it's pretty bad shit
>>316494820
T-45 is the default. You can get all sorts of more modern or scavenged armor pieces including the T-51. Every piece is upgradable as well.
>>316493814
shit taste
Better than Fallout 3, not as good as New Vegas.
Fallout 2 > Fallout > New Vegas > Tactics > 4 > 3 > Brotherhood of Steel
>>316493001
will you have to pay formods to fuck dogmeat, and everyone else
the story is fucking awful, pic related is the worst offender thusfar
gameplay is salvageable with mods probably, but I doubt modders will be able to mod skills or DT back in
i'm only still going because power armor juggernauting is fun
>>316491391
>>316491391
I do not like this game. It is buggy, the textures are poor, the story [thanks for the spoilers cunts] is Mass Effect 3 minus one ending, it has less RPG options, it made things harder for modders, and the dialogue wheel is trash [say "sorry", I interpret this as "sorry about your pain how can i help", game interprets this as "sorry, I can't help you"
>>316494925
I'm hoping there are still left-overs from NV's conversation system in FO4 that modders can use and replace the god awful shit we have now
>>316493727
>how much is Todd paying you?
>>316491391
[X] HATE FALLOUT 4
>>316493437
It's like they're going backwards, to Fallout Tactics, where there was literally no speech at all.
>>316495195
And I forgot: actual SPECIAL, skills and traits
>>316495285
Tactics had a bit of dialogue.
More meaningful than FO4's even.
>>316495256
>counter shilling
>>316494152
Nice idea.
Stupid when you realize people don't use utilities or beds. So you end up just making boxes with 30 beds stacked on each other to raise population.
Comping around in power armor is fun, mowing down shit with heavy weapons.
However, it's hilariously stupid how a random bandit with a combat knife will run up to you while in said power armor as if they stand a chance
>>316491391
why does everyone pretend New Vegas was excellent? It's decent. Is it a meme or something?
>Visuals
4>NV though I'd be disgusted if this WEREN'T the case given the gap between the games
>Gameplay
NV>4
Survival mode is nice touch but can't match hardcore. Power armor is superior in 4 but actually needing training in the stuff and making it an ordeal to find in NV was better. 4 has plenty of Charisma checks but all other special stats appear to be worthless for dialogue choices, and the shitty wheel in 4 doesn't actually tell you the speech you'd need to make the checks. In fact, no skills at all in 4 has proven to be a definite step down. The perks in 4 are also very uninspired and are mostly percent bonuses. Though the gunplay in 4 is a little better.
>Companions
NV>4
Nick Valentine is 10/10, Hancock is a solid 9 and Piper is surprisingly unshit, but the rest are either inoffensive but forgettable like Codsworth and Danse or had objectively superior equivalents in NV like Strong or Dogmeat. The increased interaction with companions is a great touch though.
>Factions
NV>4
Brotherhood is no longer a band of white knight faggots, so that's a plus for 4, but the Minutemen and Railroad can't hold a candle to the Kings, Boomers, and NCR. The Institute is neat but is blatantly evil unlike Caesar's Legion who at least had a defined philosophy behind their dickassery, and a leader with some depth. The lack of a Mr. House style option to go full-on Commonwealth independence Patriot is also a blow.
>Quests
NV>4
Just plain more variety. Better writing with more branching paths and solutions, more enticing rewards and a more visible effect on the world and story.
All in all New Vegas is just plain better in every category that really counts, but 4 made a lot of unexpected improvements that could benefit the series in the long run if Bethesda take their heads out of their asses and cut out all the watered down tripe.
>>316495431
I've watched them use the beds though
>>316494282
To be fair, the backstory of your (tailored to male) character is of military experience, there had to have been some sort of training for power armor as it was the newest weaponized utility at the time. You also get the shit ties to version of it to be upgraded over time, you can barely kill the Death claws on a decent difficulty with out an okay strategy or cheesing it.
Not saying being able to use it isn't a shit reason, but it's a reason none the less and still isn't up to par with end game items and abilities in the past games. You still need to work towards it.
It's pretty fun
>>316494596
I would like to agree with most of your points except the following:
>Power Armor is probably one of the best things they've done
I think it was the mystique and "legend" status of the T-51b power armor alongside the side chain quests that you have to complete along side some somewhat arduous locations to get through in order to obtain it that made it special. It required a certain progression through the story alongside some somewhat skilled play, item acquirement, and general problem solving and question asking via NPC's and proper dialogue options.
>Functionally and mechanically better than NV
While console versions of NV might have been bugged, the game itself plays out perfectly. To justify functionality at the sake of RPG elements disappearing or entire gameplay styles changing is not an excuse. Especially when the game itself lacks the charm and "wasteland" feel it should. I understand we're pushing forward into the future here, but there's something missing in terms of environmental impact and charm when you obtain some of the best equipment not 45 minutes into the game. Saying you can go off on a tangent and just ignore the story is m00t since the game itself as an RPG should revolve and story and side quests with explorations as a viable alternative if you're curious and have the means to do so.
>>316495181
>Not wanting to purge heretical synthetic scum from the face of the earth
It's like you want to be eradicated
>>316491391
Its ok. Its not better then new vegas but it might be a better framework so it could be better modded.
Shittier version of NV with mods
5/10
Just go play Garry's Mod if you want the fun part of this game
>>316494881
>objective analysis
While we both know that's impossible I think you're rather accurate with your review.
One thing I would point out is that the "bad guy" options have been poorly fleshed out since FO1 where you were forced to hunt for the water chip.
People keep claiming that "poor roleplaying" is unique to FO4 when its honestly been common throughout the entire series.
The only real issue I have with FO4 is that noncombat skills don't have any effect in dialogue or quests.
My rig is far from a toaster so I haven't experienced any technical issues and can't speak to them.
If it had more roleplaying options and no shitty mass effect wheel/voice acting or lame ass story, I'd consider it better than Vegas even.
>>316491391
It does combat and graphics better, but this piece of shit makes Fallout 3 seem better in comparison. Already have nearly 24 hours into it so far and in my opinion it's not that good, at all.
>>316493814
>american education
>>316493114
This. Everytime I hit a conversation I remember what is going on with my charecter and realize if I was role playing I should go back to the house and crawl under the crib and cry.
I actually made a not to fix up the house as much as I could and deleted the bed I put in there as it seemed to make npcs walk through it.
>>316493114
If you want to RP as a mother with a law degree, then don't use power armor or kill random strangers.
>>316491391
I'm enjoying it, it's slightly less broken than New Vegas on launch but Bethesda still can't write. Runs well enough, combat is better and the weapon mod shit is okay too if it completely ruined the feeling of finding that really powerful unique weapon by introducing this "legendary" bullshit
Somehow created some really enjoyable companions though. Haven't met one I didn't like yet.
Settlement building and managing can fuck right off though, it is not engaging or fun or anything past the first time. Especially since Fallout 4 has the PC controls hardcoded for some stupid fucking reason.
Good game, horrible Fallout game.
>>316491391
Does the fucking dust settle every fucking day you pile of faeces?
>>316495605
But those "RPG elements" are just vestigial board game mechanics. They needed to be dropped the second the series made the transition to 3D.
The main issue is that noncombat skills aren't useful in quests or dialogue like they were in NV.
That's honestly where the majority of the "RPG feel" that the game has comes from.
>>316493114
Seriously. There's such a huge disconnect when a 50s house wife goes from zero to blowing people's heads off in the span of 15 minutes. And it's not like you can do a pacifist run
i've played the game for about 10 hours now, i just like everything i have to do is a chore, even just exploring, but i think its cause i am over open world games
>>316495859
I'm from Sweden, asshole
There's no way to influence dialogue with perks or skills.
There's almost no way to influence how any quest plays out, you just accept the quest, kill the people/find the item, and turn in the quest.
It's really frustrating how there are obvious alternative solutions to most of these people's problems, but the RPG elements just aren't in the game anymore. It's basically just Skyrim meets Far Cry with a Fallout coat of paint on it.
>>316494282
Before you get out of Cryostasis, you are somehow magically the one person to survive not suffocating to death for however many years it's been since life support went offline. You then open your pod from the inside when it is only able to be unlocked and opened from the outside.
>>316493114
They can though.It just works!
>>316494152
Nice idea and a good framework but it needs mods. The npcs dont use the beds or bathe. Also you are suppose to assign them tasks but I cant figure out how and they seem to be farming on their own without instruction.
Basically everything about this game screams mod me.
Only in the first neighbourhood thing.
>character creator is nice but I prefer sliders
>don't like a voiced character, but I'm getting this point and click vibe when you click on things and hear your character narrate them, though that may be just for the house
>voice acting is just generic americans
>graphics are alright, nowhere near as bad as they're made out to be but they're not 2015 standards, everything is colourful but 'smooth'
>GTX 670 i7 3770k and blah blah and auto detect did everything at high, the game stutters and slows down in random places though
>gunplay feels loads better but that isn't difficult to do because it felt like arse in f3 and nv
>conversation wheel already seems like it's just 3 yes options and a questions
>the intro was MASSIVELY underwhelming, rushed and silly, better than New Vegas' but worse than F3's
>>316495256
I wouldn't accept Todd's blood money desu I don't even like Bethesda games
>>316496075
>somalian education
>>316496075
>asshole
Fuck off yank
>>316492019
>it will easily be 10/10
NV does factions WAY better, has more quests and unmarked things to do. NV's loot is also much better than Borderlands loot with very unsatisfying "unique" weapons. There are also less weapon types than in NV because modding so take that as you will.
As an open world, NV is poorly designed. The content is built around you follow a certain pathway to the Strip and has tons of blockades of invisible walls to stop you from going around or they throw enemies at you that almost OHK you.
FO4's world is really fucking good. Especially in the cities but even the wilderness is much better than what Bethesda usually does. Lot more verticality in the city that adds a new dimension, bunch of fire escapes or elevators to go up and loot/fight on rooftops. Ways to jump or go from roof to roof giving new access points to places or advantages in a fight.
Combat is now "meh" while in 3/NV it was just absolute shit. So its sorta better?
Story/writing still goes to NV
Old skill system vs new one, old one was way better but the new one can be good with tweaks. There SHOULD NOT BE level restrictions in a fucking Fallout game. Why? Why is this a thing?
Charisma is now useless since the choices don't mean shit outside of getting a few extra caps, there is very few situations to talk your way out of things. Almost all things come down to shooting, no other ways around
>>316496169
>better than NVs intro
Are you serious?
>>316496364
>cutscene of you getting shot
>LET ME SEE YOUR FACE
>YOU ARE THE ONE FROM MY DREAMS
>doctor lets you go out into the big wide world which is a boring desert
>>316496064
This.
>>316496106
The facility kept you alive on purpose as a unmutated sample of humanity. A backup since they had shaun. Its like they cut all the other tanks and make yours last longer.
Also Shaun tells you later he set you free. Remotely somehow.
>>316495971
>roleplaying game
>drop the RPG elements
>nigga what
>>316496457
Yea, which lets you roleplay as your own character. As opposed to a pointless trite backstory that establishes you as a regular joe from a regular family with set motivations and goals. The backstory completely kills the whole point of letting you create your character
>>316496681
>FO4
>roleplaying game
wat
>Can't scrap starred items
I'm honestly not motivated to finish the story. I just got passed the part where you leave the institute and I told Father to fuck off, so now I have to do shitty side quests for the minutemen when I really just want to go independent. Is that even an option in this shitty game?
>>316495780
R9 290 OC'd, i5-4670k @ 4Ghz, dropping to 40 fps in areas. It's fucking stupid.
>>316496315
>Almost all things come down to shooting, no other ways around.
There SHOULD NOT BE level restrictions in a fucking Fallout game.
Gross and yes there should be. It creates boundaries on what is an acceptable power limit for a wastelander human surviving in the post-apocalypse and also forces players to make either personal or intelligent character driven decisions for their skill trees/points. It could be a reasonable cap, or as they always do introduce level cap increases with DLC.
Everyone ends up over leveling to early or getting too powerful and breezing through content even if it does scale.
>>316495880
Thanks for reminding me that at least 4 doesn't have the retarded mutated potato faces that plagued Oblivion, 3 and NV.
Jesus, it's one of the reasons I can't play them anymore
Fallout 1 is much better pals.
>>316496683
That's more to do with the overall design than the intro though.
I was hoping this game would help me learn more about the pre-nuclear world and more about life in a vault.
But instead it's just
>OH SHIT NUCLEAR WAR
>RUN
>*gets frozen*
>5 minutes later you're out of the tiny vault
>Hyped about settlements
>maximum is 21 settlers with full Charisma
ayyy fuck you bethesda
Mods have to fix your shit again
>>316496364
NV's intro was terrible. My god these Obsidian drones are annoying.
>>316496683
this.
>>316496938
>That's more to do with the overall design than the intro though
Yea no shit, that's the complaint. The intro was terrible and they actually hurt the core roleplaying aspect of the game by adding it. They should have started the game with you awaking from the chamber and gone from there.
>>316496169
>>character creator is nice but I prefer sliders
Agreed, those the creator can make some pretty funny characters.
>>don't like a voiced character, but I'm getting this point and click vibe when you click on things and hear your character narrate them, though that may be just for the house
Just for the house, I personally hate the voiced actor.
>>voice acting is just generic americans
Agreed
>>graphics are alright, nowhere near as bad as they're made out to be but they're not 2015 standards, everything is colourful but 'smooth'
Texture mapping and res is beyond trash, wait for some modder to fix this.
>>GTX 670 i7 3770k and blah blah and auto detect did everything at high, the game stutters and slows down in random places though
Try Windowed Borderless.
>>gunplay feels loads better but that isn't difficult to do because it felt like arse in f3 and nv
Gunplay is tighter, improvement of the engine itself (skyrim's engine)
>>conversation wheel already seems like it's just 3 yes options and a questions
It is.
>>the intro was MASSIVELY underwhelming, rushed and silly, better than New Vegas' but worse than F3's
I disagree.
>>316496792
Non-oc'ed i7-2600K and R9 290. Dips to 25 fps.
>>316496608
>I didn't read the terminals
Vault-Tec HQ had control over the entirety of the facility. They managed everything from a large distance and killed off the others, yes, to keep you alive. You were freed remotely using the same system.
>>316496825
You've misunderstood their post.
1) There is no level CAP in Fallout 4. You can max out all perks and stats without issue
2) There are level REQUIREMENTS for perks, gating certain abilities for arbitrary reasons
You can no longer rush into high level lockpick/hacking for the sweet loot. You need to be at least level 18.
>>316496957
I was wondering if I could add another workbench.
>Neo /v/ calling NV mediocre and comparing it to FO4 because they have to justify their $90 DLC pass included purchases.
I want newfags to get out, NV is a top tier Fallout game and RPG minus the invisible walls and arduous linear progression through the map initially until you reach New Vegas.
>>316497075
>I disagree.
How dare you
>>316496169
> I prefer sliders
Pleb detected
>>316497071
NV intro was not as bad. You start with amnesia which lets you ignore characterization.
Cheap move but it works.
>>316496756
Okay, supposed to be a roleplaying game.
>>316497071
Isn't it just setting up the main quest like many other Bethesda games though?
>>316497094
Well
When they change the system from something that lets you have an actual build instead of 'get everything'
Maybe it's a shitty way of trying to balance stuff.
>>316497086
Shaun explains it later he purposely set you free to see what would happen to see if you would look for him. Yes I read the terminals but I am saying the institute likely took control remotely when shaun was stolen. Then made the decision to fuck every pod but yours because you were genetically close to the original sample. They killed everyone else to keep you alive as long as possible.
The terminals would not change if the institute remotely hacked in.
>>316496142
>The npcs dont use the beds or bathe
Yes they do. I built my own little metal shack for storing shit with a bed and radio. Every time I go in there late at night some fucker is sleeping in the bed.
I was wondering if it was possible to claim stuff as your own, preventing the NPC from using stuff.
The base building is pretty good though it seems kinda redundant. Theirs no real gains from doing so, other than the occasional visit from a caravan.
I was thinking of opening vendors and seeing what happens.
Also, how do I get Brahmin? Do i need to lure them in with something or capture them or what?
>>316496075
How do you like the taste of refugee dick sven?
>>316494881
>It does not look like a game from 2007
You're right. It's more comparable to a game from 2004
>>316491391
I can't play it
It just stutters and freezes for minutes every time I try do anything in the overworld
>be bethesda
>look over nexus
>take all the mods you think are interesting and add them to you game
>don't add interesting things for melee
>>316497750
Honestly the major problem is that Bethesda have NO idea how to map textures correctly. I think a good example of this was Skyrim someone found some really poor examples and fixed them without adding anything to the textures, same shit applies in FO4.
>>316497820
First person melee is always shit who cares.
>inb4 Dark Messiah of Might and Magic
>>316497451
It also gives you a good initial motivation to bother with the main quest.
Without feeling cheap and without forcing your character into a fuck ton of backstory
>>316497968
Mount And Blade: Warband.
>>316497538
There are better ways to do that. The best part of the Elder Scrolls/NV is that you can be anyone you want to. FO4 forces a set character on you and does a terribly job getting you invested in him/her to boot.
>predetermined past military history or education
>white picket fence american family
>married with one child
>only motivation upon leaving the fault is to find your son because you are a loving parent
It just kills the roleplay aspect. What if my character in the Fallout world never had a family? What if he isn't a nice guy or a caring person? What if his motivations are entirely selfish and greedy? What if he's gay? etc...
>>316495147Only if I can play as the mother to fuck dogmeat
>>316491391
Better then Fallout 3
Worse than New Vegas
>>316491391
Worse than New Vegas in everything but the combat. Better than F3 in every possible way.
Should have had stats and your chance of hitting is entirely tied into them. Like Morrowind.
>>316497962
Fuck your inb4.
>>316497750
FO4 looks loads better than that and if you disagree you're high off nostalgia, haven't played Fallout, or shitposting. It's probably all 3.
>>316498013
Meant for >>316497962
Anyone done the silver shadow quest yet?Is there a way of saving that guy at the end of the final mission? There seems to be absolutely no time what so ever in the conversation ending and him getting his head blown off.
>>316498023
I'm surprised you're criticising all those points and not the fact that you have a fucking voice and predefined responses with personality and character.
compared to vegas?
better story, better characters, better gunplay, better factions, better world
>>316496790
>Options
>in a Bethesda game
Kek, this is an open world shooter with loot, not an RPG, buddy boy.
>>316495580
that in the comic store?
>>316498137
We're talking about the intro. If I was going to go into detail about all the reasons the game is shit we'd be here all day.
>>316498023
WTF, this isn't even a problem. The other Fallout games had a set back story too. F3, you grew up in a vault, had your education there, dad left, you went out to find him. F:NV your the courier, you got shot, woke up with no idea of why and went to find out. F1, The water purifier broke, you leave the vault to find spare parts.
F4 is no more hollow that the other games.
>>316497094
>You can no longer rush into high level lockpick/hacking for the sweet loot. You need to be at least level 18.
And this is what pretty much killed the game for me. Artificial perk gating, regardless of your "build". Complete and utter disaster, as well as missing the point of Fallout entirely.
>>316498236
>better factions
Seriously dude? I'm not far into the game but i doubt that
>>316498401
Yes but there were a lot of blanks that you could fill in yourself. You were your own person.
Fallout 4 says that you're straight, have a kid, you really fucking care about that kid, like no fuck WHERES MY SON
>>316498363
>implying we're not here all day
>>316498401
I agree that the backstory isn't really an issue. But the backstory leaks into the rest of the game and is impossible to ignore or play at odds with.
>>316498517
Don't reply to obvious bait.
>>316498526
>Fallout 4 says that you're straight
Wrong.
>>316498074
>blind people are allowed on 4chan now
>>316498125
Just pop some Jet, mane
am i the only one thats justr watching cohncarnage play? dude is doing a legit playthrough
i still don't understand why this game has such high requirements...???
>>316498416
Except that builds left the game when they took out skills. You get everything eventually. And leveling happens pretty quick.
>>316491391
No, its not better than New Vegas.
But it is definitely addictive just because i wanna have cool guns, although i dont think writting is there, everyone is just boring, the Railroad is kinda cool i guess but the whole "synths are slave" feels cliche, and the most interesting thing ive seen was the broken robot in diamond city who seriously gives me star wars feels.
Oh, and all the main quest ive done (only like 4) are all long boring "go here, kill 100 enemies" quests, what where they thinking.
>>316498517
The factions are pretty good. The BoS are actually BoS, they fucking hate the institute, pick a side, lots of innocents die either way.
The only white knights are the minutemen.
>>316498290
Yup, along with the axe
>>316498401
FO3 was shit too. NV isn't even remotely the same thing, that's just a fucking job with a vague description. You could be a homicidal maniac who murdered his own family and still be the "courier"
>>316498612
>No confirmed bachelor
>>316498783
Fuck, I missed the axe!
>>316498642
I'm running the game on a toaster.
Low settings of course but it works
>>316496792
>he fell for the amd meme
>>316498679
I wanted to be a tyrant of the Commonwealth. The Minutemen foolishly appointed me leader, so i'm abusing my power and establishing a Fourth Reich across the Wasteland.
>>316498649
>builds left the game entirely
Not for me. I won't be grinding out every possible perk, since I'll probably stop playing in 5-10 hours, so I do have a soft build limitation.
Are there any good quests in this game at all? Main quest has been consistently shit. That quest in covenant was so formulaic and terribly written. Right now I'm running after Dogmeat, an untrained dog, because he's apparently able to smell at a days old cigar and chase the smell across half the wasteland.
>>316494152
Settlement mod + Real time settlement mod for new vegas btfo of fallout 4
>>316498853
I played GTA V on medium but can't work this at all in my toaster.
>>316498625
Nothing created in source has ever looked remotely aesthetically pleasing. The buildings are all sharp and blocky as fuck with no depth, the skybox is pitiful, the trees look two dimensional, there are six colors, and the wires could be shopped in and noone could tell the difference.
>>316499158
Nigger this is a next gen game. Get with the times.
>>316499158
Really?
I have a pretty dated setup: Phenom2 dual-core and a 5770
>>316498934
Artificially limiting yourself doesn't count. The game, as it is built, is geared away from having builds.
It's better than New Vegas and 3 in the action gameplay. It falls vastly short of New Vegas and is about on par with 3 in the roleplaying.
>>316494285
Shoulda just doubled down. Would have been godtier shitposting tbqhwy.
>>316499317
If I manage to hit high enough levels where it's possible to start diversifying into other builds i'll let you know, but that doesn't really seem possible until levels 60+
>>316492019
>holds up really well against FNV
FUCK OFF
NV was a Fallout game, FO4 is just Borderlands with a different art style.
>>316497662
You can assign NPCS to specific beds the same way as posts.
>>316499495
What similarities do you see between FO4 and Borderlands?
>>316498635
Wait, where's that from?
>>316492019
only people who hate role playing games would say something like this
I mean, it's okay if you do hate the genre but at least let people know you do so you don't seem like a retard. Because this game has fairly good gameplay and I do agree that with mods it will only get more fun to play. But from a role playing perspective the game is completely terrible.
>>316497662
I came across an NPC whilst exploring and she sold me a Brahmin
Only one I've found so far
>>316499670
>Focus on gun collecting and gun modification
>Basic RPG systems
>Riddled with shitty "kill x amount of y"-tier quests
>Terrible writing
>Poor world-building
>Ugly graphics
>>316498635
>pre-war poster
>advertising Jet
>>316499914
the most obvious one is legendary mobs with randomized unique weapons
>>316498642
Take it with a grain of salt. I'm running it on high with an i5 processor, 750ti video card, and 6GB of ram. It doesn't stutter except once every few hours for a few seconds, sometimes it doesn't stutter at all.
>>316498649
It comes to a screeching halt in the higher levels. It's pretty balanced to me.
>>316498930
That gives me actual hope for the role playing aspect.
>>316499914
Borderlands doesn't even have gun modification, its all about the collection.
The RPG systems in FO4 are definitely elementary as fuck but not quite as tuned-down as Borderlands
I haven't gotten any of the kill x amount of y quests but I also haven't progressed very far.
Writing in Borderlands is much better than in FO4
I like the worlds in Borderlands and in FO4, they're diverse and there's always a lot to see/do.
I agree but it is Bethesda so I don't know why anyone would have high expectations. And Borderlands is intentionally styled to look like a comic book
tl;dr i disagree
>>316500130
has anybody not put turrets on those 2 parapets?
>>316500367
>Writing in Borderlands is much better than in FO4
That's hilarious.
That's also probably true.
>>316491391
>added an extensive crafting system
>removed the ammo crafting that was already present in new vegas
One step forward, two steps back.
>>316500130
Ya you can completely ignore physics. Which I used to make a upside down pyramid with an easy to defend bottom and large room up top for beds.
>>316498642
There doesn't seem to be any consistency to the requirements, some people can run it fine on old machines and others struggle on newer rigs
>>316499756
>road leather for male is full leather
>road leather for female is just the leather jacket
>the female one looks like the mercenary outfit in fonv
BRAVO TODD
R
A
V
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If I build a safe or chest and put my stuff in it will the settlers in my settlement take the shit I stored or is it safe
>>316494152
>How's the base building stuff?
Pointless.
>>316496683
I'd rather play as a scripted character in a more interesting setting than my "self insertion" character in a big boring empty desert. Either way Fallout is a shit series.
>>316500445
>defending
My sanctuary never got invaded so far, will i ever have attacks?
>>316496236
kek
>>316500130
I have not been attacked yet. Where do they spawn? Anywhere or just the bridge? The river seems to block most of it.
>Pre war
>Jet
>NO
>>316491391
Oh goody its a tired phrase used by a retard human.
Why is op always a faggot and why don't you faggots sage this shit?
>>316491391
>spoiler
negro what
STORY:SHIT
GAMEPLAY:REMOVED GOOD THINGS, ADDED GOOD THINGS NEEDS FIXING
IMMERSION:LOLNOPE
ROLE-PLAYING:TODD/10, YOU CAN ROLEPLAY BETTER WITH A STICK
WRITING/DIALOUGE:EVERYONE IS RETARDED
FO4 > FO3 >>>NV >>>>>>>> all that other non-canon faggotry
>>316500686
You having a good time, fellow hamster?
>>316498635
>>316500596
Just fuck my lore up, senpai!
Is it better than FO3?
>>316495532
>All in all New Vegas is just plain better in every category that really counts, but 4 made a lot of unexpected improvements that could benefit the series in the long run if Bethesda take their heads out of their asses and cut out all the watered down tripe.
So basically if Bethesda give the engine to Obsidian to make another game with?
It's a shame they didn't overhaul the decapitation/gore. Deathclaws still rips off their victim's limbs with surgical precision.
why does the game look unlit? everything is so flat
>>316500791
I'm having an immense amount of fun with this game indeed.
>>316491391
let's see:
1. main story is bad. It just is. The fact that you get handed everything right on the beginning of the game is ridiculous; you get out of a vault, 15 minutes later you have a power armor, kill a death claw, get a station to craft everything you want, and people trusting you to build some kind of base of operations.
2. The main character having a voice and a backstory makes whatever you want to do with him limited; what i mean is that you can blow raider's brains and use power armor but that's just out of character considering how he was living peacefully a couple of minutes ago.
3. leveling is too easy
4. finding items is too easy. It's 200 years and there is stuff all over the place. It's the same in other games of the series, but they put two time more this time and in places where it shouldn't be.
5. the enemies are too easy, even on the hardest level.
6. i could swear sometimes the places of this game looks better than where i live. It's just not how it should be.
that's what i can say for now.
>>316491391
nv>4>3
>>316500830
It's like they took 3 to the next level, yeah. A real proper sequel.
They took everything great about 3 and made it that much better.
>>316498125
I decided not to even start the conversation with the guy, and just shot his face. He hesitated when I crippled it with a crit and after he goes down the other raiders wont kill him.
>>316500963
but then again there wasn't much great about 3.
Is it likely that there will be overhaul mods? Speech and dialogue as well?
>>316500831
That's what my sentiment is, if Obsidian makes another Fallout and they keep the positive improvements that Bethesda introduced in FO4, I think that game could be a contender for the greatest of all time
Companions die in FO 4? just curious. Mine didn't die yet, but i didn't try to kill them anyway.
>>316491391
>delve into a prewar military installation that hasn't been touched for two centuries
>fight my way past the automated defenses
>claim my well earned reward at the end
>pipe rifle
It's like Bethesda wanted to dethrone Witcher 3 for the game with the worst loot system imaginable.
>>316501064
You'll definitely see a gameplay rebalance to make the game actually hard without turning enemies into bullet sponges. And perk overhaul. I doubt they will be able to reimplement the old skill and perk system but at least they'll make the perk chart make sense.
>>316501103
I murdered that BoS faggot, I'm not sure if NPCs can kill your companions though.
>>316501103
I got jumped by a pack of 9 ghouls when I was exploring the rail station, right in the middle of them, but I managed to squeeze out and kill them because they were all tearing into Dogmeat and he walked away unscathed. I think companions are immortal
>>316499756
>next/this gen graphics
Look like shit
>>316501257
No one wants to play after the dog dies so
companions can't die
A lot of npcs can't die actually
>>316501121
It worked well in Oblivion and Skyrim, didn't it? Everyone loved the dynamic radiant loot system.
reminder that if you don't like fallout 4 you're a fucking furfaggot
>>316499914
>ugly graphics
I love it whenever people say this it's like they didn't even play the previous fallout games to compare the graphics to. The graphics are objectively better than the previous fallout games so your argument becomes immediately retarded when you say that and everything you say becomes invalid.
>>316500896
To be fair, the male main character is an ex-soldier.
>>316502582
Fallout 1 and 2 had great graphics, you mongoloid fuck. And F3 looked decent for it's time, compared to the absolute shitfest that is F4.
pure garbage, worse entry in the serie, even 3 wasn't that disappointing.
>>316502785
Or a lawyer.
>>316502248
He may be mentally ill, but he's still right
>>316502582
You are a fucking idiot and a fanboy.
ANY sequel of ANY series will have better visuals than the previous games. When someone judges a game's graphics they're comparing it to ANY OTHER GAME RELEASED AT THE TIME.
For today's standards, the quality of these visuals are subpar.
>>316502582
The graphics are ugly compared to practically all other AAA open world titles from this year and the year before, especially for the game's hardware requirements. Relatively speaking, the graphics are ugly. On top of that, the quest design is indeed terrible and the world doesn't feel nearly as grounded or cohesive as New Vegas or Fo1/2.
>>316503045
he's not right, you can be an evil son of a bitch.
the brotherhood of steel literally has you killing farmers to take over their land
>>316491391
New Vegas is untouchable, but I'm biased because I LOVED that western/cowboy shit.
Fallout 4 is good though, I really like having a big urban area to explore again, that was kind of missing from New Vegas since Vegas was more of a town, as opposed to Boston and DC which are big hostile ruins.
>>316498636
He's fine but a bit keky tbqh
>>316502687
>>316502803
>>316503084
>>316503101
When the fuck are you millennials ever going to stop caring about graphics in video games?
Gameplay should come LONG before graphics in any game you play. God you fucking millennials with your obsession with graphics makes me hate where gaming is going. Devs have to sacrifice gameplay elements and story because of dumb fucking cunts like you that want the best graphics available for any game that comes out because that shit costs time and money.
You dumb fucking cunts are the reason gaming is costing much much more time and money to make compared to years ago.
>>316500836
>Deathclaws still rips off their victim's limbs with surgical precision.
They're called DEATHCLAWS for a reason.
>>316503164
>there are a few quests that allow you to do something that is out of character
wooooowww
>>316491391
It's...ok
I wouldn't say its better then New Vegas.
Right now some of my major issues are...
1. Upgrading/Getting new gear. I mean for the first 15 levels (about 17 hours for me) I was using roughly the same gear. You pretty much NEED crafting if you want to get new gear at a decent rate.
2. Lack of unique gear early one. NV had so many different types of weapons and armor that you could get early one. Merc armor, just regular civie armor, NCR, Brotherhood of Steel, etc etc. In 4 it seems that they have a set group of gear you can get and it stays that till you get a certain level. The amount of times I've gone to diamond city and only seen leather and metal is a lot. Wasn't till about level 13-15 i think that I saw my first piece of combat armor. Almost level 20 now and the store's inventories have changed a whole lot.
Those are my major issues. Some things that stood out to me are
1. Bottlecaps are rare. I actually struggled to pay for ammo/gear early one.
2. The way you make money. I found selling weapons/armor usually wasn't worth it. Since many times I hit max weight, I learned to prioritize different weapons. 80% of my money seems to be coming from ammo.
3. Settlements/Building are awesome.
>>316493114
wait so if you play as a female, you stay as a lawyer and your husband is still the soldier?
does that make the USS Constitution quest unplayable then since they wouldn't recognize you as being in the army?
>>316503527
muh goalposts
>>316503576
Joining the brotherhood and killing your son is a complete fucking 180 from the start of the game.
You fucking retard.
2 > New Vegas > 1 > 4 > 3
Is the map really as small as some people are saying it is?
>>316503579
>selling ammo ever
ammo is like caps that you can also shoot
>>316491391
Yes, it is, and for now I would say its the definitive Fallout experience. Anyone saying otherwise are just plain stupid.
>>316503527
fyi if you're under 34 you're a millennial too
>>316503579
It's early on, not early one.
>>316503784
New Vegas > 1 > 2 > Tactics > 4 > Van Buren > 3 > BoS.
>>316503527
>Fallout 4
>gameplay
Even the gameplay is broken.
The dialog system is a pile of garbage, the base building is a joke, and you can't make any choices other than those the developers WANT you to make.
Quit being a sheep.
>>316503679
Isn't that something that you do at the very end of the game so it doesn't have any real consequence one way or the other?
>>316500130
How do you do that shit, I'm finding the editor janky as fuck and really difficult to use
>>316503964
No, even if you kill your son as soon as you meet him you still have a bit to do.
Like rebuilding liberty prime, fighting the railroad etc
>>316503802
I'm 15 hours in and have only seen a small central section.
>>316503527
>millennials
You do realise that a millennial is anyone from 18 to 34 years old? Fuck off and stop embarrassing yourself, you goalpost moving retard.
>>316503802
You can apparently run through it kind of quickly but I don't know why the fuck anyone would do that.
>>316504075
I see, thanks Todd
>>316503842
>its the definitive Fallout experience
Fallout 2 is a real thing, you know.
>>316503527
You're a millennial.
>>316494152
I like it. Not gmod level of good, but still a step in the right direciton.
Here is a before shot. I'll reply with my current base (I'm poor so it isn't amazing).
Fuck this gay earth.
>>316503949
I'm not being a sheep
I fully understand the flaws of Fallout 4 yeah it's not perfect it's probably the worst out of it 3 and NV but it's been fucking years since I played a fallout game.
Right now I'd rather play a mediocre fallout game than a great game of a genre I don't really like.
>>316495532
>gunplay in 4 is only a little better
>a little better
come on now anon
Yes. And New Vegas is one of my all time favorites.
I mean yeah the game has less dialogue options but the settlements and building stuff took this game to a whole another league. I guess I need to spend more time on the game to reach a final conclusion but so far it looks fucking glorious.
>>316504371
Here is my after.
Built some wind turbines at the time for power. Got my little house with working lights on the inside and a power switch on the inside over there on the right. Two large buildings on the left there for settlers/workers to stay in.
Got a fenced in parameter so if we get attacked, enemies are funneled through two entry ways.
Got those entry ways covered with a spot light for during the night, 3 guard posts, and 2 auto machine guns per entry.
Like I said, not the best; but I'm not dedicating all my money towards settlement building.
>>316495580
what does the Grognak Costume look like on a female character?
>>316503527
Go back to playing your indie pixel garbage and fuck off, faggot.
>>316497750
nice bait
During the Pistol Packing Mama song there's a short 1 second pause at one point. Is that actually in the song or did Bethesda fuck up? It doesn't sound like it's supposed to be in there.
>>316504749
It looks like a bra and a skirt.
>>316504839
And you go back to playing Halo and Call of Duty because they have the best graphics and apparently that is more important to you than gameplay.
My god these idiots don't even know what they're arguing for anymore. You guys have unbelievable standards for graphics nowadays so any game that doesn't meet that standards is garbage regardless of content. Devs now need to dumb down gameplay and story because they spend so so much time and money on these extreme graphics everyone wants. Good job, you opinions drive gaming toward a good direction.
While the game definitely has no shortage of flaws, I can definitely say that I'm having fun with it. I also really like how power armor actually feels like it should.
Although overall, NV feels more like Fallout
>>316491391
at first I thought it was shit but I gave it another go and around 6-7 hours in I think its pretty good actually. I think the questlog and the way you get quests is total shit though. they just sort of appear in there, sometimes I dont even know where I got them.
>>316504283
>rather play a pixelated isometric game than its last three-dimensional sandbox interation
So much for nostalgia.
>>316505502
> le cawadoody and halo
Your whole post reads like something off a youtube comment section or a subreddit.
Go back to school and fuck off. Maybe one day you'll realize why everything you say is so stupid and no one takes you seriously.
Also, HALO and CoD are not the best looking games around, although Blops3 looks mighty impressive.
The best looking game right now, out of the box, is actually another open world RPG. And it was made by a bunch of slavs in their tin-can offices.
>>316495181
I actually loved that moment when that thing came into view with the music and shit.
>>316495147
Can't wait for LoversLab shit. There's no other setting where getting raped by raiders is more appropriate.
>>316498401
> F3, you grew up in a vault, had your education there, dad left, you went out to find him.
>F:NV your the courier, you got shot, woke up with no idea of why and went to find out.
>F1: The water purifier broke, you leave the vault to find spare parts.
re-read your own descriptions. they basically say nothing about your personality. you can be anyone and still look for the water chip (or not), same with the courier, you could even look for benny just to kill him.
fallout 4 gives you way too much backstory. it should have started with you already in the vault, no family, waking up for reasons you don't know and being the only survivor, and then going out on the wasteland to find out why.
>>316491391
>Is it better than new vegas?
>>316493114
Someone kidnapped her child, man. You know how people keep going on about getting between a momma bear and her cubs? Same thing really goes for humans and their children. You seriously don't wanna end up on the hit list oof a parent searching for their lost child.
>the dust has settled.
I like to think that not only has the dust not settled, but we're re-enacting the Autobot City battle from the 1986 Transformers Movie with our arguing and how shit is it.
>>316506035
Like it or not, the series roots are in Fallout 1/2 - anything that comes afterwards is going to be held to the standard set by those games. That's why we call them classics.
If you want a neat wasteland roaming FPS game, play 3/NV/4. But if you want the "definitive" Fallout experience, you play the first two games. This has nothing to do with nostalgia (I actually hate FO1), it's just logical that the Fallout is defined by the games for which the series is hailed. Would you say Thief 4 is the definitive Thief game simply because it's the latest one?
>>316506861
I'll be Megatron.
>>316493437
With certajI SPECIAL points/perks you get customized decisions in certain conversations. Good for a quick XP grab and also for adding more personality to your character.
>>316506909
>I actually hate FO1
how can you hate it
>>316506223
How about you actually look up the budget for witcher 3 before you assume it was like iron man built in a cave with scraps.
>>316506787
Cliches aside, being an angry parent doesn't somehow gift you with preternatural knowledge of firearms, computer systems, and mechanical engineering.
>>316503527
shitty graphic is inexcusable if
1) you are huge studio making AAA game
and
2) gameplay and story sucks
>>316491391
I think it's better than either 3 or NV, and that the majority of the people who hate it have yet to play it, have confirmation biased themselves to death, or just dislike Bethesda games
>>316504073
Im not the poster but he built the staircases from the ground up (probably the hardest part although not that hard) and then all u have to do is build floors. Floors make a good base for building the rest, and everything clicks to floors nicely.
All Fallout games suck, including 4 and NV
>>316495431
They use beds.
And why 30? Maximum is 21 settlers. Stop shitposting.
>>316506909
>Like it or not, the series roots are in Fallout 1/2
That doesn't mean they should be considered the only "legit" games in the series. Game design evolve you know?
>>316507382
I give the game a 7/10 Better than I thought.
Most shitposters either haven't played it, or already have a certain mindset of the game that it sucks more than it actually does
>>316498636
Huh that's the first time I hear anyone bringing Cohh up. I really like him. It's surreal how positive guy stays and the community he managed to build up.
Also rules he is playing by are interesting. I'm totally ok with that.
I can look past the lackluster graphics/perk system and todditties in the game but the writing is so fucking shit. I'm at the point where I just skip every dialogue section by mashing A cause it's not like what you say matters.
>>316507798
>That doesn't mean they should be considered the only "legit" games in the series
And I never claimed the should be. I just disagree with the claim that 4 is the definitive Fallout game.
>Is it a good game?
It's decent,but has flaws
>is it a good FALLOUT game?
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>>316491391
I'm trying to like it so hard, just waiting for the FO3/NV feels to hit me again.
Shit ain't happening. And after 10 hours in, I realize it's never going to happen. I am simply not enjoying the experience.
It happened to me in Skyrim too, but Skyrim did have some enjoyable moments of bliss in it. This has none.
The completely disorienting DoF and object-view perception, the fucked up FOV, shit world with so little interesting quests, the absolutely shit dialog, shit characters, horrid voice acting, pointless settlement mod-made mechanic, cartoony graphics..
But the worst offender, by fucking far, the epitome of my dissatisfaction with the game -is that fucking dialog wheel. It's abhorrent, ugly, stupid, ridiculous. Dialogue options, getting to know the characters you interact with, having lots of different things to say, that's what made Fallout for me. That's what set it apart.
I can't even manage a conversation with that stupid wheel. SARCASTIC, BABY BOY, and UNSURE are NOT dialogue choices, for fuck's sake, even BioWare did it better.
And why are all conversations in this game summed up to 1-2 sentences which robotically explain your new quest goal? Why is this world so empty of life? Why is your character adapting so quickly to the reality of his new life and dead wife with no problem?
The new dialogue ruined FO4 for me. I am of a mind to stop playing it until someone mods back the original dialogue boxes or makes something like DXHR's wheel, which was good.
I've been wondering. Can you bring up all of your SPECIAL to 10? Is there more SPECIAL book thingies that helps you raise them?
>>316507932
Fallout 4 has all the core inspirations and mechanics from the series. Even when comparing it with Fallout 2, I can clearly see 4 as an overall better game.
>>316508151
Every time you level up you can level up a SPECIAL or a perk in the SPECIAL line
Found one special book in Sanctuary, pretty sure you'll find more elsewhere
>>316508151
You don't even need books anymore. You can put points into SPECIAL stats each time you level up. Your initial SPECIAL build is almost irrelevant.
>>316503527
>graphics look like shit
>BUT MUH GAMEPLAY
Fuck off.
>>316508451
>I can clearly see 4 as an overall better game
Except for the plotline, characters, and world design.
"Story doesn't matter" does not cut it when you are creating an entry in a series known for it's extensive dialogue and story elements.
>>316491391
It's exce-shit
> +
Fun battles
Building is fun
> -
Bad graphics
No soul
This game has no soul, it's like a sandbox filled with boring af quests ..
No interest to anything going on there
>>316508762
I agree. The game has no charm.
>>316502803
>Fallout 1 and 2 had great graphics, you mongoloid fuck
top fucking lel they look like shit, might have been good at their time but now I'd rather plant a bullet in my eye than playing that old shit
The fuck is going on with the lore?
>>316508945
Learn to read.
>>316509062
fuck it
It's better than Fallout 3 at least. My biggest problem with this game is the slow as shit VATS and crappy radio.
>>316507087
It was a joke anon. I thought you people would be smart enough to get that.
Regardless however, Beth has a much larger budget and manpower, their games sell significantly more than CDPR. Yet they didn't manage to make half the gsme these guys did.
Also, TW3 was a rather high profile game, true. TW1 was made in a tin can office, and all of the points still apply.
>>316491391
>now that the dust has settled
hasn't been out a week.
fuckin' neo-/v/, man.
>Main character and family are cryo'd
HOW ARE THEY NOT MELTING WHEN THAWED?
>>316509062
Mindless retcons for gameplay mechanics and blatant disregard for Black Isle's already established lore.
It's very likely that non of Bethesda's writing team have played F1&2 and only refer to the wiki when they have to write about dates or people.
>>316508721
And quest design, level design, art direction, character progression and customization, ...
>>316509659
neo-/v/ are the retards actually playing this steaming pile of shit
>>316491391
>caps are the currency again for no reason
Either come up with a reason for it or stop doing this shit, for fucks sake.
>>316508721
>except for the world design
W-what. Do you think FO1 had a more content filled world?
>>316510084
I think he means world design as in "world building", not how much clutter got copy-pasted in the game world.
>>316509659
it's a meme. /v/ was saying that even 1 day BEFORE release.
>>316495532
>Gameplay
>NV > 4
?????? the gun play in 4 is actually fucking fun for once. Also gameplay includes gun modding, armour modding, the legendary enemies, gunplay, base building.
it's far better than NV. Not obsidians fault and I'm sure they'd make 4 into a fucking amazing game, but FO3 is awful with gameplay, as is NV.
>>316508569
>>316508484
Damn I missed that. Good to know thanks.
>>316510084
When I mean world design, I'm talking about how much sense the world makes.
FO3 is still the worst offender in this regard (what do they eat?), but FO4 still has a lot of problems.
>super mutant camps 100 yards away from farms with no defenses
Although FO4 still surprised me at some moments when the writers showed a little bit of common sense
>walk into bunker hill
>"Why is a camp full of traders here when there are raiders all over the place this shit is so dumb"
>turns out they pay off the raiders
>mfw pleasantly surprised
I liked 3 better.
>>316491391
Can someone spoiler the plot to me?
>>316510350
>the legendary enemies
>bullet sponge enemies with a one time heal
That's not good enemy design, anon. That's just boring.
>>316494096
so it's this gen's versions on the xp to windows 7 fuck up?
>>316492019
>Bethesdrones are willing to pay $50 for a half-assed game then twice that in mods to make the game semi-decent
B-but at least I have muh nostalgia
>>316494152
it's Ark survival evolved
>>316510658
You defeat Ganon and return the Master Sword to the Temple of Time, and go back to being a kid.
>>316510350
NV had legendary enemies.
And in NV they weren't shit - they were actual handcrafted uniques inside sensible places.
And no hack&slash rng crap like FO4.
>>316510869
it's already a financial success
how's that a blunder?
>>316510658Your son travels back to time to kill the man who kidnapped him, but in the process he becomes evil and is the man who kidnapped himself.
Now he wants to kill you. So you bomb diamond city to kill him.
>>316510678
The exciting part isn't the spongeiness, the exciting part is loot. Adds a nice dynamic to the game imo.
>>316511164
Did they? I don't recally many legendary enemies that dropped loot like Fo4. You might not think it is a good addition but I quite like it.
>>316511223
So is 2 chainz
>>316511363
>Your son travels back to time
wwait what WHAT
Nan-ni shimasho-ka?
>>316491391
No.
>>316511223
>nitpicking a meme
It didn't land anywhere close to the expectations people had for it, it has a poorly executed story but then again that's nothing new for Fallout. It's buggy as hell but fanboys somehow think this is acceptable because 'lol the modders will just fix it' and the RPG elements that made Fallout good have been torn down to shreds. It might have done well financially but hey, so did Watch Dogs and we all know how amazing that was.
>>316511413
>the exciting part isn't fighting them
So another non-fun aspect of the game. Glad we agree.
>the exciting part is loot
I also enjoy getting leather armor pieces with bonuses like "Take 15% less damage while sprinting." I also appreciate the fact that I can't even break them down for materials.
it's the most shilled fallout of all time
pic related
Is there a workbench in diamond city? I need to scrap all my shit so I can start modding and I really don't want to fast travel to the one in Sanctuary and then fast travel again back here, that's just silly.
>>316511413
>the exciting part is loot
>dropped loot like Fo4
So you're saying you play the game for the virtual loot and not the gameplay?
I'll never understand this skinner box mentality.
>>316511525
tell me a joke
>>316511413
>I don't recally many legendary enemies that dropped loot like Fo4
New Vegas actually did it better - the legendaries (Deathclaws, Cazadors, etc) actually guarded unique, named gear, instead of just randomly rolled bullshit.
It actually felt like a proper RPG.
>>316491391
>Is it better than new vegas?
Even if it was, the obsidiots would never want to admit so
>>316511695
No fucking way.
>>316511363
You expect me to believe this?
a lot of fun so far. Though Bethesda's needs to move past kitchen sink type design and start putting that effort into creating depth at the core of the game (granted they did do a little of this with the shooting). When you break the game down into its parts there are a lot of obvious issues. In the end it is a good to great game for playing, but a shit game for analyzing on forums or expressing ones monocle taste.
>>316511695
at first I thought it was some kind of Undermeme-Fallout crossover because that dragon kind of looks like a goat
>>316511808
Nan-ni shimasho-ka?
>>316511686
>Another non-fun aspect.
It's not non-fun, it's just not the best. Not that NV had it any better which was the whole point in my post.
I do enjoy getting loot as do a lot of fucking people in the world. Why do you think Diablo style games and MMOs are popular? People love gettin that sweet loot dude.
>>316511746
Um no I'm not saying that, I'm saying that is one of the reasons I feel 4 is better than NV in terms of gameplay alone.
>>316511817
Hm, I think both systems have their merits. I'm finding this method more enjoyable than NV but I feel NV does fit an RPG better yeah. The random loot lets playthroughs be more differential too. Although it's not like NV didn't have different playthrough potential.
>>316511936
yes way
http://bad-dragon.com/products/survival_kit
for real
>>316491391
It's average.
As for the below question? FUCK no.
>>316500896
>i could swear sometimes the places of this game looks better than where i live. It's just not how it should be.
100 times this. Did Bethesda forget that the game is supposed to be set in a nuclear apocalypse? Why the fuck is there clear blue skies and vibrantly coloured buildings? It's almost on par with Bioshock Infinite
>>316491391
Hahahaha no.
Seriously, not even close.
>>316491391
Bethesda only has to put in an ounce of effort to make it better than NV and 3. It's safe to say it's much better than them, but still a mediocre game overall.
>>316512280
I'd argue Far Cry makes a better RPG than FO4
>>316512327
>FO3 comes out
>"Uh, it's 200 years after the bombs dropped. Why does everything look like it was destroyed yesterday?"
>FO4 comes out
>"Uh, it's the aftermath of a nuclear apocalypse. Why isn't everything ruined and destroyed?"
i have a gtx970 meme card, an 954590 @ 3.3ghz and 8gb of ram, can i run this max at 60fps1080p?
>>316512327
200 years after the apoc, why would there be no blue skies? It is funny because they were criticized in 3 for everything being brown-green. Damned if they do and damned if they don't
>>316494285
source on semen demon?
The standoff with Cornflakes isn't anywhere near as satisfying as when you kill Benny
There's no holy shit this is fucked up moment like walking into Nipton for the first time
The new dialog system is a downgrade
bethesda is literally incapable of making anything good
>>316512585
won't be solid 60. cities will drop it.
>>316512675
if i run at high instead of ultra will i get a constant 60?
>>316512650
Anime.
Turbo plasma kek
>>316512867
prob not no. mileage varies.
>>316512505
Define RPG please
>>316513347
dammit, how much of a dip is it in cities? if its only like 10-15 fps i think i can handle it
>>316513469
n.
a mental condition, present from early childhood, characterized by great difficulty in communicating and forming relationships with other people and in using language and abstract concepts
>>316512575
>walk outsdie
>the bones haven't sunk into the ground from 200years of rainfall or broken down..
>>316513562
yeah down to 40/50s depending on the place. mostly 55s.
Turn down godrays to low though.
>>316491391
It's sick!
>huge open world
>awesome memorable quests
>great challenge
>AMAZING graphics
If Fallout 4 is any indication of how awesome graphics are going to be, I can't WAIT to see what video games are going to look like in 2009!
If there's one thing I like about this game it's that Power Armor turns you into a walking tank like it should
>>316503949
> you can't make any choices other than those the developers WANT you to make.
>Playing Super Castlevania 4
>Can't join Dracula
>Playing Contra
>Can't negotiate peace with the aliens
>Playing Tetris
>Can't talk to NPCsThis literally applies to all games nigga, your vague statement is way too fucking vague
>>316514070
But it doesn't. You only get a fancy hud.
You're just as agile and you even take reduced fall damage (Could someone please teach physics to Todd?)
>>316514437
I meant walking tank as in you can just trudge through a flood of bullets and come out unscathed
>>316514571
Yes, power armor is now just a god mode power up. Great...
>>316514714It always was
>>316513595
>I'd argue Far Cry makes a better "mental condition" than fallout 4
is this accurate?
>>316514714
There's posters like this now since Fallout 4 released. Great...
>>316514714
But slowly waking towards groups of raiders or super mutants while blowing their brains out is fun
>>316514781
Have you even played Fallout?
It's end-game equipment, it doesn't make you invincible - unless you cheese and get a pa unnaturally early, only then does it make you invincible (for a while).
i dont like the institute. it doesnt feel like fallout.
more like mass effect.
>>316515306
They obviously tried to cash in on the Mass Effect success with the voiced protagonist, dialogue wheel,no meaningful choices and shitty ending.
Why would they care if it doesn't fit into Fallout?
It prints money.
>>316513039
famm
>>316495181
What's wrong the Prydwin's arrival? It's actually kind of a cool moment, and looks really neat if it's night time.
>>316498851
First floor, when you walk in the door its in a locked case behind the counter.
>>316514215
This is a rpg though in a rpg series. And some of the best rpg games are famous for being able to play it multiple ways including avoiding combat.
This game has less freedom in this respect then previous entries so people are complaining.
>>316491391
fun to play around in but not better than NV. just don't think of it as an rpg or a fallout game and you're good to go
>>316514823
>>316515168
Did ellipses become bad or something?
nowhere near on the level as new vegas but it can be argued it is as good if not better than 3
sad to see them take a less RPG direction in the series
>>316515264
PA is stupidly powerful in 1/2 and the only thing that can really kill you when you get one is bullshit crits.
It's okay/bad in 3/NV.
>>316515614
yeah they obviously did. but did they really need to have ANOTHER shadowy organsiation? they already have brotherhood of steel and the enclave.
caesars legion fit great and was super fun
>>316516143
>PA is stupidly powerful in 1/2 and the only thing that can really kill you when you get one is bullshit crits.
That's true for 1/2's enemies too in the late game.
Especially in 2 where they are wearing the same fucking armor.
>>316506460
Bethesda is going to control all mods this go around, mate. None of that deviant shit is getting in.
>>316516429
Well that's what Slayer/Sniper is for!
>now that the dust has settled
Are you kidding me, it's a fucking shitstorm about FO4 still
Either way, for me it feels alot less soulful than previous fallout games. You can see where they tried to make some big steps in gameplay but you can see right through it. In some spots they took steps forward (aside from the LOD bugs, the graphics look a little bit more polished than previous 3D fallout games), but in others they took huge steps back (can we even properly call this an RPG anymore?)
>>316491391
The dust has not settled you fucking retard.
Just going by personal preference;
F3 - 5/10
NV - 9/10
F4 - 7/10
4 makes a lot of improvements but I was more engaged with NV. I'm not really excited to play 4, it's just something to do, but I played NV twice before I even started using mods.
>>316491391
It's decent, overall I'd say it's better than 3 if less impressive for it's time but not as good as NV. It's best to wait a few months for needed improvements from patches and mods though, particularly the UI which is garbage on pc.
>fallout 4
>not adding multiplayer
It's already so close to todays post apocalyptic games,why not go all in?
>Tell Brotherhood of steel guy that I'm from a vault and only got out very recently
>He compliments my honesty
>Immediately after that I tell him I was in the military
>He doesn't notice anything wrong with that
Bravo Bethesda
Does anyone know if there are any traders/caravans around in FO4? I've never seen any of them near places like where Tracy is with her chem addicted son. It doesn't make sense since these NPC's just get their supplies from out of no where.
>>316517358
Fallout 4 isn't canon, just ignore any and all lore raping.
>>316517194
I should be mad at you for suggesting Fallout to become even more like Borderlands.
But Bethesda fucked it up so much already, I don't even care anymore.
Can we still have threads of are adventures about killing/saving/forgiving vital NPCs again as are RP characters?
>>316517679
um no. now you're the fallout guy with 4 dialog options. commander shepard is your name now.
>>316496236
lol
>>316517463
it's ok anon you can be mad at me, I forgive you.
Can you forgive Bethesda?
>>316517857
Well, it's like asking someone to forgive the devil.
He's an evil fucker but what do you expect?
He's the devil, it's his nature - there's nothing to really forgive.
Has anybody made a character that looks like Mad Max yet
>>316515824
>And some of the best rpg games are famous for being able to play it multiple ways including avoiding combat.
This is not a standard in all RPGs though.
The complaint that you can't play outside of what the developer wanted is a very vague one that applies to all games.
Having said that, FO3 and FO4 will never ever be like 1 or 2 nor does it try to.
The people in control of it have moved on.
So it is not surprising that it does not follow any previously set examples.
>>316518206
Yeah, in about 1998.
no idea how power works in the settlement building.
>>316512650
Still here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR0Q5Bb9EE8
>>316495532
You didn't even say shit about NV companions and yet you rank it higher than 4.
>>316500596
Same with all the pipe pistols hiding inside pre-war caches.
>>316495562
>>316507676
you guys are being pedantic. they use beds, but not all 30 beds at once and don't need to be able to access each and every bed.
>>316498636
zrozilacx
>>316492019
>Vanilla vs vanilla I think it holds up really well against FNV,
this desu
I'm afraid the engine doesn't let it be modded as much as NV
I've heard there is no gear degredation. Is this true? Has it become this casual?
>>316518993
xcal is a bro
>>316495880
>playing on PC
Hahahahahha lol
Thats what you get for usibg you overprices "nerd loonix console" lol
>>316517358
With how many Vault related shit the BoS have dealt with I don't think he'd be shocked at anything you'd tell him, especially when that's the reformed version of the chapter that used to be around a cloning vault and shit.
>>316500831
>So basically if Bethesda give the engine to Obsidian to make another game with?
and removed the FUCKING DIALOGUE WHEEL AND VOICED PROTAGONIST
>>316519131
Correct. No weapon condition. Once you get a gun you never need to get another of that gun ever again, especially with how modifying guns work. Welcome to the wasteland where you never go hungry, you never get thirsty, and nothing ever breaks. Surviving the wasteland was not Bethesda's priority.
>found a power armor frame with just T-60 torso and left arm
>really want the rest of the set
>don't know where to look
>>316500963
yeah i love new vegas as well
>>316520302
Survival never was the point of Fallout.
However, killing randomly appearing "legendary" enemies to get magical weapons with mysterious effects wasn't either!
So if you swim out into the ocean will one of these appear and eat you?
Why is Kellogg the only good antagonist in this entire game?
>>316520362
Go north of the swamp in the southeast corner of the map. Look for a garage with some greasers. They're power armor hotrodders.
>>316520302
Fucking good. "Survival" is tedious and anti-fun. Only autistics that are fascinated by train schedules like videogame "Survival"
>>316520652
Some sort of struggle was always the point of Fallout and actually salvaging and getting through the wastelands became a bigger goal starting with 3. New Vegas finally put in Hardcore mode with more ways for the character to find solutions and ways to survive. Fallout 4 just kinda dropped all that.
>>316521156
>Some sort of struggle was always the point of Fallout
It was called "combat".
>Hardcore mode
I liked it for flavour reasons, yeah. With JSawyer weight limits it even forces me to make some decisions wrt how many water/ammo I carry.
>>316521045
That's pretty much what happened. People who just wanted to shoot shoot and get shiny shinies were favored over people who wanted to do more and actually manage themselves and feel like they were doing shit and coming up with solutions for stuff. Sure, the mechanics were flawed at times but so are many of the mechanics that got left in or "improved".
>>316521524
You could always have more than just combat and combat could easily be affected by the other mechanics, that's the whole point. It also helps create situations or change how you manage your inventory or what you deem valuable, how you spend your money. But that's something people and Bethesda clearly didn't want.
>>316521760
I get it, what I mean I guess is that some people have that picture of the originals being those hard games about struggling in a wasteland etc. and they really aren't, they're about coming in a town and solving problems in some manner. Not a bad thing, though. Vegas has that, and it has survival elements, and good writing most of the time.
>>316521586
>People who just wanted to shoot shoot and get shiny shinies were favored over people who wanted to do more and actually manage themselves and feel like they were doing shit and coming up with solutions for stuff.
Well when you put it like THAT
>People who wanted a rich gunfighting experience were favored over scroungers that simply wanted to loot everything not nailed down and hoarde it in a crate like a 70 year old woman with newspapers
>>316521957
I see what you mean too. The Fallout series has always been changing. It just seemed like with 3 and NV it was actually building up towards some consistent goal that just needed polishing. Then they dumped it all and made it clear that would never be goal again. At least survival mods will be made but even then we'll have to wait for difficulty mods to make it actually balanced and then weapon condition mods.
>>316522092
Actually, your attempt to do what I did completely failed. There is no rich gunfighting experience and scrounging for every item is actually the opposite of survival. In fact, taking everything not nailed down is what Fallout 4 is doing right now. It was about creating limits that gave detailed gameplay, which also includes limiting what you can carry and focusing on different skills, which would prevent you for most of the game from simply picking up everything and using it. And don't kid yourself into thinking any Fallout, even 4, had rich gun fighting.
>Find a raider in power armour
>Kill them to death
>Now have half a set of raider power armour
This game's better than I thought
>>316491391
The controls feel funky, the collision detection is shit. Also the gunplay is not good, since both controller and mouse have acceleration that cant be disbled. The story is average... the killed muh woman man.
its 6.5 of 10.
>>316520798
idk tbqh tho
when you shoot one of those corpses, blood comes out as if treated as an actual monster that once lived
>>316522178
>It just seemed like with 3 and NV it was actually building up towards some consistent goal that just needed polishing
I dunno, for me it did seem like FO3 was Bethesda wanting another IP and buying an old cult classic and making the one kind of game they know how to make in that setting, using style and plot points from the old games as a basis for their sandbox. And FNV was Obsidian being handed the ancient engine with all the assets and all the faults and given enough creative freedom to attempt making the kind of game they know how to make - an RPG.
They did a good job, I'd say.
1 step forward, 2 steps back
+Power Armor is more unique and customizable now
+Guns can be customized a ton
+Gunplay is a little better
-Most guns look like rancid rusty dogshit
-Legendary enemies and enchanted drops (what the fuck)
-Made it fucking hard to actually roleplay any character
-New features arbitrarily locked behind perks (local leader)
-Town building doesn't actually do anything for you
-Still a bugfest
-Harder difficulties don't change gameplay mechanics
I'm still playing it because it's always fun to explore a new world with fresh dungeons though.
>>316516475
>mods with steam workshop.
BTFO normie
>>316523361
>they still have to be approved by beth on steam workshop
owned nigger
How many artillery emplacements do your settlements have /v/?
>>316498907
>he thinks an Nvidia card of the same cost will perform better
top
kek
>>316523584
>His opinion is influenced by factual data
>>316496090
The quest are also pretty much all simplistic kill/fetch quests
Where do I find the ingredients for upgrading power armour in bulk?
>>316523507
What are you even talking about you autist?
Mods through nexus or loverslab site using NMM. do you /v/irgins even survive without steam.
Doesn't even survival mode have weapon degradation?
7 hours into it so far...
>Terrible gunplay which is inexcusable this time around seeing as the game is focused on being an FPS
>Awful dialogue with incredibly limited options because of the fucking speech wheel
>The interesting RPG elements of old seem to have completely vanished
>Yet to encounter 1 interesting character or quest
>Story is a literal rehash of Fallout 3 except with the roles reversed
>Graphics and animation quality simply shouldn't be acceptable in 2015 (especially in a fucking AAA game)
>Locations have no real characted and all feel uninspired as shit
>UI is clunky garbage
tl;dr
It's the worst game I've played this year.
>>316514215
I didn't know those games were RPGs
Does the game get to a point where it's not a series of trash encounters?
Is stealth ever viable?
Even though Fallout 3 was stupid and nonsensical it did feel pretty comfy and varied hanging around at Megaton.
>Taking Psycho
>>316524687
If this pile of garbage is gonna win Goty over Witcher 3 im gonna bomb the fucking game awards.
>>316492019
>best bethesda game to date
why are you lying on the internet?
>>316520302
>no weapon degradation
I'm alright with this honestly. I mean it's not like it was a challenge to maintain weapons in the other 3d fallouts. Even shit like the terrible shotgun or beaton prototype could last at least a few battles, and between infinite squishy raiders and less squishy but more valuable enclave camps in 3, the epoxy in zeta, lods of emone for paying off repair people in NV, and the infinite repair kits from dead money it was never a challenge to maintain them so much as a chore.
It's an rpG. Little to no actual roleplaying, though the gameplay itself is good (good being better than the previous two iterations). It's the only reason I'm still bothering to play it.
>>316524292
>using NMM
>ever
Holy shit how stupid do you have to be.
>reeeeeee they give you a backstory!!! based black isle would never do that!!
>meanwhile lonesome road exists
>>316520302
They removed thirst and hunger too?
>>316526484
Thirst and hunger were shit in NV
>>316526158
>Using MO
>Must use extra wheels to not destroy game.
At least use bash if you wanna show off your autism.
>>316520302
On the plus side, from the hours I've played so far, radiation and ammo are significantly more of an issue than in FO3 or NV.
>>316524778
>Missing the point this badly
Even if you pick RPG games you will always be limited by what the developers wanted.
Literally no game will let you do what the developers didn't want you to do outside of glitches.
Melee is fucking awful beyond belief from what I've done so far.
Why do all the guns have so much random spread? I always played Fallout 3/New Vegas without a crosshair but now it's fucking impossible to play without one.
>>316491391
It's better than 3
>>316528289
While true, you're completely ignoring the spirit of the discussion - that RPG's are supposed to give you a certain freedom in areas where games like platformers do not. So when a game that touts itself as an RPG fails to do so, it leaves itself open to criticism.
So the argument of "No game offers you complete freedom!" is just you being silly - nobody is claiming that FO4 should be the most open and reactive game in the history of ever, they just want it to live up to a certain standard.
You're just being disingenuous, really.
>>316529724
I would say that RPGs need to apply constraints so the player has to pursue different strategies based upon their character/party and the context
>>316526295
>BEARANDBULLBEARANDBULLBEARANDBULLBEARANDBULLBEARANDBULLBEARANDBULLBEARANDBULLBEARANDBULLBEARANDBULL
>>316499914
>Focus on gun collecting and gun modification
FO4 isn't focused on gun collecting and borderlands doesn't have gun modification
>Basic RPG systems
Is CoD borderlands now?
>Riddled with shitty "kill x amount of y"-tier quests
That's hardly the quest design of Fallout. Fallout has the generic "follow the arrow to talk to this person then go in a dungeon to retrieve this item" quests.
>Terrible writing
>Poor world-building
>Ugly graphics
k
>>316499914
More of those things apply to world of warcraft than FO4. Actually all of them technically apply to WoW.
>>316530342
how do you manage to actually avoid addressing any of those issues by completely shifting the point whenever you can't answer it?
are you a fucking retard?
>k
>>316530639
Because I wasn't denying that those issues exist. I'm saying that Borderlands and Fallout are both bad but for different reasons.
>>316491391
>Is it better than new vegas?
No. It's better than FO3 though.
Depends on what you want. I like New Vegas a lot better because New Vegas actually felt like an RPG.
This feels like some Borderlands shit, I mean the shootings alright but it's not really enough to keep me interested in the game. After a while I just stopped doing side quests altogether because most of them were "kIll x and fetch Y", which New Vegas had a lot of too but I was almost more involved in the world of New Vegas because I thought it was written better and more well constructed. There's also pathetically few dialogue options in this game so I also feel like I never have a full understanding of whats going on.
Fallout 4 has just made me want to play New Vegas
>>316524852
FUCKING KILL!
>>316508451
4 is barely even an RPG.
HOW DO I REPAIR POWER ARMOR
>>316508115
>the dialogue wheel
So much fucking this. What does "Sarcastic" even mean? Sarcastic yes, sarcastic no? Half the time I pick it and my guy doesn't even fucking say anything sarcastic.
>>316512662
>The standoff with Cornflakes isn't anywhere near as satisfying as when you kill Benny
I know I couldn't be the only one laughing at the fact that they named their villain fucking Kellog.
Was expecing Aunt Jemima to be leading the Institute.
So I finally decided to download the game.
Let me get this straight, INT and LUK are dump stats now, yes? What else can I ignore? CHA as usual? Should I storm through the main quest so I can kill the side content and be done, and can I play without building a settlement? I'd like this to be over as fast as possible.
>>316534557
>Let me get this straight, INT and LUK are dump stats now, yes?
Pretty much yeah. I maxed luck and didn't notice any difference at all. Seemed like wasted points.
>What else can I ignore? CHA as usual?
I'd actually recommend putting points into it because all the dialogue checks are charisma checks and it can save you some time.
>Should I storm through the main quest so I can kill the side content and be done,
Whatever you want. You can play after you finish the main quest and do side quests then.
>and can I play without building a settlement?
Yup, I didn't build a settlement at all.
>>316508451
>core inspirations and mechanics from the series
>core inspirations
>black comedy
lol no, screwball situations and hammy characters is not this
>the future of the past
Again no, retro futurism crammed in every corner, very little actual "future has moved on and is rebuilding" and more "future clinging to it's now distant past" which ONLY the NCR did in the original Fallouts, which were >80 years ago at this point.
>moral grey
Nope, kill your son or kill millions. Selfishness or selflessness barely repainted as family or the greater good is not moral grey.
>mehcanics
>skils
Nope
>traits
Nuh uh
>perks
Oh there they are, but your flooded with them because that's it
>turn based combat
No
>Aimed shots
Nope, VATS is kinda that, but it's simple and doesn't carry benefits for shooting anyhting other than heads or a deathclaw's legs.
I don't even have to get into narrative depth, quality, exploration of themes, diversity of NPCs, actual RPGness, or preservation of canon. You're wrong from the start. Fallout 4 may have passable gunplay and a new take on weapon customization, but it is a stain on the franchise and genre.
stupid gay jerkfest 0-10 put in shrek
>>316535336
>Nope, kill your son or kill millions. Selfishness or selflessness barely repainted as family or the greater good is not moral grey.
Where is everyone getting this anyway? I feel like I missed something. I got the Brotherhood of Steel ending and blew up the Institute but if I didn't millions would die? What? I feel like I missed something.
>>316535328
What do you recommend for SPECIAL (just as a bias, not actual values. I'll make my own mistakes) and weapons? Is energy worthwhile, split damage usually dooms a weapons class in RPGs. Are the unarmed styles decent?
>>316535424
If you don't destroy the Institute, you have to nuke Boston. So okay, in actual Fallout 4, I guess you'd only kill dozens.
>>316535518
>What do you recommend for SPECIAL
I have no idea my character build was pretty shit because I dumped all my points in Luck and didn't see much benefit of it.
I guess I got the most out of charisma because it let me skip shit or get some decent goodies from characters.
I would look up a guide tbqh my character was pretty shit.
>and weapons?
I finished the whole game with an energy weapon I got in the beginning. You're fighting a lot of synth who drop energy cells so I didn't run out of ammo much.
>Are the unarmed styles decent?
Absolutely terrible, stay away from them.
>>316520302
That wasn't a thing in FO1/2 though. I didn't hear anyone say they were shit because the weapons didn't degrade.
